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and gentlemen. Welcome

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to the Defiant Podcast. Thank you

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your host, Majeed Padelin,

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aka Brooklyn Dad Defiant.

1:02

Let's talk about protest. The

1:04

very fabric of our nation's DNA

1:06

is heavily steeped in the history

1:08

of protest. I mean,

1:10

the act of people crossing the

1:12

Atlantic, leaving England to form our

1:14

own nation, was the biggest

1:17

protest of all. The Boston

1:19

Tea Party, throwing a bunch of boxes of

1:21

tea in the water, protesting

1:23

taxation without representation.

1:26

The Revolutionary War, major

1:28

protest. Rosa Parks refused

1:30

to sit in the back of the

1:33

bus. Now that is

1:35

defiant. In the civil

1:37

rights movement, people peacefully sat

1:39

in whites-only diners to protest

1:41

Jim Crow segregation laws. Millions

1:44

of American citizens utilized marches,

1:46

sit-ins, and burned draft cards

1:48

in protest of the Vietnam

1:50

War. A professional football player,

1:52

Colin Kaepernick, silently took a knee

1:54

during the singing of the national

1:56

anthem to protest police violence against

1:59

the United States. unarmed black civilians.

2:02

In most of these cases, with

2:04

the exception of course, you know of war, these

2:07

protests were nonviolent. In

2:10

all of these cases, people were

2:12

putting themselves out there publicly in

2:14

front of crowds to state their

2:16

opposition to injustice, to how

2:18

certain people were being treated or

2:21

killed. In all of these

2:23

cases, these protests were not convenient

2:25

for people not engaged in the

2:27

protest. People just trying to get

2:29

to and from work while a

2:31

protest is blocking the road. Very

2:33

inconvenient, frustrating, and even annoying. People

2:36

affected by these protests, hey, I'm not

2:38

the one oppressing you. Why

2:40

are you penalizing me? Is

2:43

probably the most common reaction.

2:46

And I guess you can't blame them because

2:48

they don't understand the nature of protest. Protest

2:51

is not meant to be convenient. Protest

2:54

is not meant to be comfortable. Protest,

2:57

when it's most effective, is meant

2:59

to make as many people as

3:02

possible uncomfortable. Otherwise,

3:06

who actually gives a shit? If

3:08

civil rights protests were quietly, politely

3:11

conducted in the privacy of one's

3:13

own basement without even raising your

3:15

voice, just sitting in prayer silently?

3:18

Well, we wouldn't have overcome,

3:20

would we? If nobody made

3:22

a fuss about the people dying in the

3:24

Vietnam War, how much longer

3:27

would America have remained? Uncomfortable,

3:30

very uncomfortable, and inconvenient.

3:33

And it's protected by the First Amendment. That's

3:36

how important the right to protest is

3:38

in America. We made it first.

3:41

More than guns. But that doesn't

3:43

mean we get to abuse it, does it? That

3:46

thing about yelling fire in a crowded

3:49

theater that's not on fire? That's illegal.

3:51

You Can't use your First Amendment

3:54

right to infringe upon our right

3:56

to life, liberty, and the pursuit

3:58

of happiness. There's

4:00

can make us uncomfortable. Loud

4:02

noises obstructing traffic, sit work

4:05

stoppages, boycotts, All those things

4:07

are fair game. But.

4:10

When you threaten someone, Safety. You

4:12

have crossed the line. When

4:15

you use your First Amendment rights to

4:17

say somebody else does not have the

4:19

right to exist. Like what

4:21

the fuck is that actually? You

4:24

have lost the plot. If

4:27

you're protest in defense of people

4:29

who are being wrongfully bombed in

4:31

massive numbers. If you're protests means

4:33

targeting people who had nothing to

4:36

do with the political or military

4:38

decision making process that leads to

4:40

that bombing. Then. You

4:42

are wrong. Full

4:45

stop. I'm

4:47

Muslim. My. Dad was

4:49

Jewish. My. Sister is

4:52

jewess. My. Best friend who

4:54

passed away. Was. Jewish.

4:56

I. Hate what happened on October

4:59

seventh. I denounce

5:01

Hamas in the strongest possible

5:03

terms. I denounce

5:05

Netanyahu in the strongest possible

5:08

terms. the only seems interested

5:10

in prolonging the war to

5:12

save his job with no

5:14

regard for civilians. I.

5:16

Abhor the killing of over

5:18

thirty thousand Palestinians. Including

5:20

over ten thousand children. I mean,

5:23

who with a heart? Wouldn't

5:25

despise that. I believe that

5:27

Israel has the right to defend itself. I.

5:30

Also questioned whether the sustained

5:32

indiscriminate bombing for months on

5:34

end of civilians in pursuit

5:36

of Hamas. I

5:38

question if that counts as self

5:41

defense if you're using a sledgehammer

5:43

instead of a scalpel. I don't

5:45

think it's humane. To. Prevent

5:48

supplies from getting through

5:50

systematically starving thousands of

5:52

people to death. How

5:55

does that count as self defense? It.

5:58

looks like collective punishment It

6:01

makes me angry that the weapons

6:03

we supply Israel with are being

6:05

used to slaughter civilians who have

6:08

been herded, starving into a tiny

6:10

area of Rafah, which Netanyahu is

6:12

preparing to mercilessly bludgeon. I

6:15

know our support for Israel isn't tied

6:18

to just one president. It's

6:20

a long-standing U.S. policy. But

6:23

the current leader of Israel's wanton

6:25

disregard for civilian lives makes me

6:27

wonder if we shouldn't

6:29

be revising our policy until he's

6:31

been replaced. And I feel

6:34

like both sides are talking past each other. Yeah,

6:36

what about my pain and suffering? What

6:39

about how you killed my people? All

6:42

of those voices of protest are valid.

6:45

Their concerns should be heard. But

6:47

how do we move forward from there

6:50

without continuing the cycle of pain, retribution,

6:52

and death? I believe there

6:54

should be a two-state solution. It's the

6:56

only way to sustainable peace. And

6:59

I also believe that there is no

7:01

overnight path to that sustainable peace. I

7:04

think it has to begin at the

7:06

lowest, most local possible level on both

7:08

sides. Rabbis and imams

7:11

have to be committed to

7:13

preach peace to their followers

7:15

nonstop until the message breaks

7:17

through. If you don't reach people's

7:19

hearts and minds, it won't

7:21

matter how many Republican and Democratic

7:23

presidents stick their noses into the Middle

7:25

East. It won't matter how

7:28

many people intervene. Now

7:30

for the big conversation. We

7:33

welcome back to the show our friend,

7:35

Malcolm Nance. You

7:37

may know Nance as the globally

7:39

renowned expert on terrorism, extremism, and

7:42

insurgency from his stunning new book,

7:44

They Want to Kill Americans,

7:47

the Malicious, Terrorist, and Deranged

7:49

Ideology of the Trump Insurgency.

7:52

He became a New York Times bestseller, as

7:54

was his last book, The

7:56

Plot to Hack America. He's

7:58

the counter-terrorism analyst. for NBC

8:01

and MSNBC. And

8:03

Nance has considered one of

8:05

the quote unquote great African

8:07

Americans in espionage by the

8:10

International Spy Museum. But he's

8:12

also extremely well sourced on the

8:14

what's happening in the armed forces

8:17

and has spent time on the front lines

8:19

of Ukraine. Today he shifts

8:21

his expertise and perspective to what's

8:23

happening across America and who's

8:26

behind these mass protests in Gaza.

8:29

We'll talk about the potential blowback for

8:31

President Biden and the Democratic

8:33

coalition in general as the student

8:36

left pulls the party in a

8:38

potentially dangerous direction. Let's

8:41

go to the tape. Okay,

8:52

Malcolm, thank you so much for joining

8:54

me here on the Defiant podcast. It's

8:56

an honor to have you here. Oh,

8:58

I'm really glad to be here. Because

9:01

if there's any name that I can

9:03

certainly relate

9:05

to, it's Defiant. That's right. That

9:09

word. Yeah, in fact, the last time

9:11

you and I spoke, it

9:14

was on my other show with Story Time with

9:16

BDD. And you were

9:18

one of the earliest voices expressing

9:21

extreme confidence in Ukraine's

9:23

ability to not only

9:25

hold their ground, but

9:28

also to push back against Russia

9:30

and defeat them. See, I myself,

9:32

I was skeptical because growing up,

9:36

we learned that Russia, well, back then, Russia

9:38

was the Soviet Union, and they

9:40

were like the big bad power that we were

9:43

trained to fear. How

9:45

on earth has Ukraine

9:47

fared this well for so long?

9:50

Well, for those of your followers that don't know,

9:52

I was in the Ukrainian army for a better

9:54

part of a year. When I left.

9:57

MSNBC, I went over and I joined the Ukrainian

9:59

army. They do. You know

10:01

it. It a thought I was

10:03

sixty at the time and why

10:05

I had one. It's important, the

10:07

largest offensive against Russia it since

10:10

World War Two and it's on

10:12

my sixty first birthday at it.

10:14

Why it works. Mint sniper air

10:16

of of Third Battalion International Legion

10:18

but. Up. But before that

10:20

you know I went to Ukraine a month

10:23

before the war. And. I was studying.

10:25

How would Russia do it? How would their

10:27

invasion routes have to work their way through

10:29

Ukraine? Here's the first thing I minutes and

10:31

will teach your listeners. Ukraine is not a

10:34

small. Impressions

10:36

is the distance between

10:38

New York City, And.

10:41

Tampa, Florida, That.

10:43

Make it. Is A and and

10:45

the War. Is. In the

10:47

last thirty minutes of an eight

10:49

team our end to end drive

10:52

addicts eighteen hours to go from

10:54

the Polish border to the Russian

10:56

border minister for to go to

10:58

the south east corner and continue

11:00

driving. The war would only be

11:03

in the last thirty minutes of

11:05

your drive, but it's a very

11:07

large area. eleven hundred kilometers long.

11:09

it's you know, several hundred in

11:11

a couple hundred kilometers deep, much

11:13

in the places that Russia took

11:16

first and. Twenty Four team the

11:18

province of Don't That Skyn New

11:20

Ads which they seized almost you

11:22

know with with with very little

11:24

combat than Twenty Twenty Two. They

11:27

right to see the whole bunch

11:29

more of Ukraine they tried to.

11:31

They seized Curse On province in

11:33

the south in order to make

11:35

their way to Odessa. Got stopped.

11:38

they seized a Zapper easier province.

11:40

Half of that. They. Seized.

11:43

Our. Car Thief Province, part of

11:45

that in the north. ah

11:48

sue me in the north east

11:50

and then turn me have north

11:52

of keep and then the outer

11:54

parts of of keep province out

11:56

to the north and if there

11:59

was any One thing, I met the

12:01

top two battle commanders 10 days

12:04

before the invasion. General

12:06

Sirsky, who is now commander of the

12:08

Ukrainian armed forces, and General Pavliyuk, who

12:10

is now commander of Ukraine's land warfare

12:13

forces. I

12:15

set this on air and got

12:17

a lot of pushback from an

12:19

MSNBC host, where I said, hey, wait

12:21

a minute. You're talking

12:24

about defeating Russia, Russia rolling

12:26

through there in no time.

12:28

And they had some academic going with me. And

12:31

I said, first off, you have not been here. Kiev

12:34

is the size of Chicago. And

12:37

there are little old ladies filling up

12:39

Molotov cocktail bottles with,

12:41

you know, with, by the way, the stuffed

12:43

styrofoam in it, so

12:45

that it sticks to your body

12:48

and melts onto you. Oh,

12:50

my God. Right. It's not

12:52

just gasoline with a little torch in it. It's

12:54

styrofoam. It's the bottle styrofoam.

12:58

Detergent, right, Dawn liquid,

13:02

gasoline, and it becomes napalm. And

13:05

I am not joking. In the

13:07

run up to the war, there were hundreds and

13:09

hundreds of bottles just

13:11

sitting next to checkpoints, where little ladies

13:14

from the 20th floor, we're going to

13:16

chuck them out the window, what they

13:18

called the Bandara milkshake. Wow. And I

13:20

said, they're never taking this city. They're

13:23

never taking the city of Kiev. It

13:26

is too big. They don't have

13:28

enough resources. I've been tracking the Russian

13:30

army units. I go, they don't have

13:32

enough men. And

13:35

I got some severe pushback, like, well, what do

13:37

you know? You know, you're just there. And

13:39

you just studied them. One factor

13:42

I said was I was told,

13:44

well, you know, Russia has this massive army.

13:47

I said, yeah, I know Russia has a massive

13:49

army. That doesn't matter. OK, we

13:51

get routinely defeated by men in flip flops.

13:55

What you need to understand is

13:57

the Ukrainians have an army.

14:01

And if you think about it, the run up to the

14:03

war, no one ever talked about the Ukrainian army. No

14:05

one. No. No, no. They're showing

14:07

Russian footage of airplanes shooting rockets and

14:09

tanks running everywhere. The Ukrainian army was

14:12

not sitting around. They had been in

14:14

the field with all of their war

14:16

stocks open for two weeks,

14:19

waiting like this, preparing

14:21

their positions, getting their ambushes ready.

14:23

And when the Russians invaded, they

14:25

slaughtered them with a capital S.

14:29

Even though Russia used mass to push

14:31

in, they kicked their ass.

14:33

And so usually when people ask me, hey,

14:35

Malcolm, how's the war in Ukraine going? We

14:38

kick their ass. I mean,

14:41

just an ass kicking. It

14:43

slowed down to a trickle of ass

14:45

kicking. And yes, Russia is

14:47

making some advances in the last

14:49

few months, but I can measure

14:51

those advances in a dozen or

14:54

more kilometers. Would you

14:56

attribute it to military strategy

14:58

or equipment or training

15:00

or fatigue on the Russian

15:02

side? What

15:05

would you attribute their success to? Two

15:09

things. And one, I went to

15:11

school for one of those things. The other

15:13

one you couldn't create. First

15:16

was the U.S. supply javelin missile,

15:19

which, by the way, the 1,200 or some odd missiles that

15:23

the United States had given to

15:25

Ukraine under the Obama administration, that

15:27

the Trump administration held up as

15:30

an explosion for Vladimir

15:32

Zelensky. Once

15:34

it got released after the

15:37

after the impeachment, the Ukrainians

15:39

had this weapon system. I went

15:41

to javelin shooter school. I was I was

15:43

with Gurd Ministry of Defense Intelligence, all

15:46

of their paramilitary teams, which is where I

15:48

was with, went to javelin school. And I

15:50

was like, this is the coolest toy ever.

15:52

You put a little side on it, it's

15:55

got a thermal optic. It sees way out

15:57

there. You know, fog doesn't clear. You

15:59

know, you can have a fog, snow, whatever, it sees

16:01

the heat signature of the tank. And then

16:03

what you do is you

16:05

look through the actual seeker

16:08

head on the missile. So

16:11

you are seeing what the missile

16:13

will see when it goes flying,

16:15

right? And so when you're

16:18

ready to launch, you're looking at the

16:20

tank through the missile sensor, and then

16:22

you press launch on what we call

16:24

the CLU, the command launch unit, and

16:26

whoosh, so it goes off

16:28

and the missile will go to whatever it just saw.

16:31

It won't stop until it gets there and

16:33

hits it or goes over

16:35

the top, blows up and shoots

16:37

down through the other part. And

16:39

boy, we were slaughtering, the Ukrainians

16:41

were slaughtering the Russians with these

16:43

javelin missiles. And the British

16:45

end law, the new light anti-tank

16:47

weapon, which I learned to fire also,

16:49

has a cool little red dot optic

16:51

that you use. And they were just

16:54

ambushing Russian tanks in forests and

16:56

villages. And they didn't use these on

16:58

trucks, only on tanks, right?

17:01

And at night, they would go out into

17:03

the forest and they would destroy, the only

17:05

priority we had was the destruction of fuel

17:07

trucks. But all

17:10

of this, how did they

17:12

defeat a much larger army?

17:14

They literally destroyed three full

17:17

Russian armies, right?

17:20

The ones from the northwest, the ones from the

17:22

northeast and the ones from the east. Just

17:25

slaughtered them. How? Because

17:28

Ukrainians have something the Russians don't have. And

17:31

they got guts. These

17:33

people, we used to call it the

17:36

Cossack attitude. I

17:38

said, Ukrainians, they're like, Russians are out there.

17:40

They were like, Russians? And they got that

17:43

little sleeve in their eye, they start whirling

17:45

their mustache and taking up their sword, running

17:47

over their head. And it's like, woo woo

17:49

woo! They all wanted to

17:51

fight. And we were like, whoa, boys! Let's

17:55

do a little intelligence collection first before you run

17:57

out there and start, you know, whaling

17:59

away. It was a

18:01

little bighorn for the Russians every day. Okay,

18:04

swirling bands of gossacks,

18:07

riding circles around them and just wiping

18:09

them out. And the Russians are a

18:12

bunch of yahoos. They didn't want to be there. None

18:14

of them had any skill or some

18:16

people didn't even know they were in

18:18

Ukraine until they saw the Ukrainian gas

18:20

stations full of whiskey and liquor. Because

18:23

gas stations are awesome, by the way.

18:25

They're whole walls of liquor. And

18:27

in my pre-war assessment, when I drove

18:30

the invasion route from the northeast, I

18:32

was counting the number of Sokhar

18:34

and Oko gas stations because

18:37

they're like three times

18:39

the size of 7-Eleven. And

18:41

one entire wall is alcohol.

18:43

Like French wine and Georgian

18:45

bread, you know, Armenian brandy.

18:47

They had Jack Daniels on

18:49

display next to the front

18:51

case. Big

18:53

wrapped with a six-pack of Coke so you

18:55

would buy a whole Jack and Coke thing.

18:58

And I was like, the Russians are never getting

19:00

past these gas stations. They're

19:03

themselves blind at night.

19:06

Exactly what happened. And then the

19:08

cossacks came out at night. Which

19:11

is why so many tractors were

19:13

pulling pure untouched Russian tanks because

19:15

they were just slaughtering the soldiers. First they

19:18

get them drunk and then they attack them.

19:20

Well, the Russians just get drunk anyway. I mean,

19:22

they just neck go drunk. I'm not how that's

19:24

not an exaggeration. I can tell you

19:27

about a facility I saw when we seized the city

19:29

of Kupyans. We took over a logistics

19:31

base and a special forces base. And

19:34

there was, I have a photograph of it, a

19:37

pile of bottles that

19:39

was 21 feet long, 7 meters

19:42

long, by 2 meters

19:44

wide. That's six and a half, maybe

19:46

eight feet wide by three

19:49

feet high. And it was

19:51

a list of empty hard liquor bottles,

19:53

not beer. Hard

19:56

liquor. And they were assembling

19:58

them all in one place because... somebody we're

20:00

going to take them empty bottles home to

20:02

Russia and make some money up of a

20:04

refill. I couldn't believe it

20:07

when I was rolling into this place. I'm

20:09

like all tactical and I'm like, Yeah, yeah,

20:11

what? What? It's

20:13

so dangerous. You never take a photo. And I

20:15

go, no one will believe me.

20:17

I was the intelligence guy. So I had a photo

20:20

like, I got to take a picture

20:22

of this. No one will

20:24

believe the approximate three or 4000

20:26

bottles liquor that the Russians were

20:28

drinking. Just

20:31

in this compound, they emptied

20:33

the country of every bottle of whiskey

20:35

and vodka and whatever. So

20:37

let me let me switch gears with you a

20:39

little bit. I

20:42

want to talk briefly about the

20:45

importance of the aid

20:47

package for Ukraine. So what in

20:50

your mind, was the game

20:52

that the GOP was trying to play to,

20:55

you know, to try to prevent its pack,

20:57

you know, the passage of that bill? You

21:00

know, years ago, back in 2016, when

21:03

I was still young, I

21:05

wrote a book that

21:07

was describing the Russian

21:10

intelligence operation that was designed to

21:12

get Donald Trump elected president. And

21:15

the book was called Plot to Hack America became

21:17

like a real sleeper book, New

21:19

York Times bestseller still,

21:22

still to this day, that book is

21:24

still like 10 or $15. If you can

21:27

get a copy of it. It

21:30

still sells and it's out of print. And

21:34

in that book, I had a

21:36

chapter I called the Kremlin group

21:39

with Kate, right, the

21:41

Kremlin crew. And I

21:43

talked about Paul Manafort, Boris Epstein,

21:45

all of these guys who and

21:48

Trump and how they were

21:50

completely enamored with Moscow, Steve

21:53

Bannon, you

21:56

know, who technically Trump's, you

21:58

know, subversive campaign. manager was

22:01

a huge follower of a Russian philosopher

22:04

called Alexander Dugin. And

22:07

Dugin was the believer in a,

22:09

or developed a philosophy called neo-Eurasianism,

22:11

which is where the poles of

22:14

the world would flip, upending

22:17

where America and Western Europe

22:20

would be one bulwark against

22:22

Russia. And if

22:24

done right through subversion and

22:27

buying conservative political movements in

22:29

Europe, they could flip the

22:31

poles of the world to where Moscow

22:34

would be the central

22:37

axis of the world

22:39

with a conservative dictatorial,

22:41

fascistic Donald Trump

22:44

administration holding up the Western

22:46

wall of what I call

22:48

the axis of autocracies. And

22:52

they were pushing autocracy all throughout

22:54

Europe. They gave Marine Le Pen

22:57

almost $50 million, the

23:00

woman who challenged Macron in France.

23:03

They essentially bought the government

23:05

of Austria and they were

23:07

elected. They tried to do

23:09

a coup d'etat in Macedonia

23:11

to get the Russians a

23:13

naval base in the Adriatic

23:15

Sea using Serbian terrorists. They

23:18

funded AFD in Germany,

23:20

right wing, crazy anti-immigrant

23:23

movement in Germany. And Moscow was

23:25

essentially trying to flip the world

23:27

on its head through judo with

23:30

money. I was going

23:32

to, I just wanted to back you

23:34

up a bit because I swear about

23:36

two or three minutes ago you said

23:38

buy conservative and I just wanted to

23:40

make sure I heard you correctly. So

23:42

you're saying these guys are actually buying

23:44

our politicians? Sure. Absolutely

23:47

buying our politicians. And

23:49

I wrote another book about it called

23:51

the plot to destroy democracy, how Putin

23:53

and his spies were undermining

23:55

America and dismantling the West. And

23:58

in it I show every conservative group

24:00

in Europe and how they're getting

24:03

all this money from United Russia,

24:05

which is Putin's political action. It's

24:07

his party. And

24:10

so in there,

24:12

there are three unique chapters,

24:14

one where the Russians buy

24:17

the American extremist evangelical movement.

24:20

And they started holding these conferences called

24:22

the Defense of Christianity Conference in Moscow

24:24

every year. And it was for crazy

24:26

extremists, right? Focus on the family groups

24:29

like that. But it got so popular

24:31

in the evangelical movement that what's

24:34

his name, Franklin Graham was

24:36

coming there every year and was like

24:38

hanging out with Putin and talking about

24:40

how awesome a Russian Orthodox Christian he

24:42

was and how Christianity was under attack

24:45

from Islam, which by the way, was

24:47

some of bin Laden's strategy to create

24:49

a cultural war between Islam and

24:51

the West. These guys were picking up that

24:53

mantle. So first they bought the

24:55

evangelicals and I mean, they're bought. Next,

24:58

Steve Bannon, the actual founder of

25:01

the alt right. Do you know

25:03

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26:19

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26:21

little trinkets and power up

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26:25

them for as. To. American

26:27

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26:29

were. you could do all your

26:31

chat and stuff. Do think we're

26:34

talking up. What

26:36

it is to be you know, at

26:38

it or real American man right? conservative,

26:40

radical, hating all those women. That's where

26:42

Gamer Gate came from. Ah, hang on

26:45

a second. Just a little while ago

26:47

there was a guy. Who.

26:50

It was an American young young guy

26:52

in his twenties or something and he

26:54

was literally just arrested. And

26:57

he had his own. Group. I'm

26:59

hoping that I'm a mom. Ringing.

27:02

A bell for you on this

27:04

thing. Here are he and he

27:06

did this through Discord Group. Of

27:08

it's exactly what you're saying. Is. If

27:10

a guy we got arrested in Idaho

27:13

that was good know that guy was

27:15

gonna join Isis. Anyway, the right wing

27:17

was using these Discord service and Steve

27:19

Bannon. Literally created

27:21

the old right from

27:24

these young white. Men:

27:27

Gamers and it expanded and he

27:29

was pushing this philosophy. On

27:31

these computer ceremonies could chat rooms about

27:34

what it is to be a man

27:36

was going to smack pages and you

27:38

gotta you know do all the stops.

27:41

And then when the All Right got

27:43

together with the Neo Nazis and the

27:45

Confederate Heritage people. That. Was

27:48

supposed to be there. Could tell you

27:50

that was supposed to be. they're coming

27:52

out. As. A political action

27:55

arm. Of. The Swamp

27:57

Administration. Know. here's

27:59

the kicker The two leaders

28:01

of that movement, David Duke was a

28:03

big one, and Richard Spencer, the head

28:05

of the American Neo-Nazi Party, both

28:09

owned apartments in Moscow, as

28:11

did the head of the

28:13

American California Separatist Movement, the

28:15

America Texas Separatist Movement. These

28:17

people were all being feted

28:20

by Moscow. Between

28:22

Bannon, Richard Spencer, who

28:25

is, I can't remember the name of the

28:27

head of the alt-right who formed Charlottesville,

28:29

he too was going to Moscow

28:31

for all these movements. What we

28:33

saw the Soviets do in Western

28:36

Europe with like terrorist groups, IRA,

28:38

Red Army faction in the 60s

28:40

and 70s, Moscow

28:42

was doing with conservatives in

28:45

the 2000s and turning them into

28:47

a force. Then the final

28:50

part of it was buying the NRA with

28:53

Maria Butina. What

28:55

was it? Right to bear arms movement by-

28:57

That was a red-headed spy, wasn't it? Yes,

28:59

she was a FSB

29:02

officer. She was

29:04

arrested as what we called

29:06

an unregistered agent of a

29:08

foreign power. That's FBI talk

29:10

for a trained spy from

29:13

a foreign country. Her

29:15

job was to infiltrate the

29:17

Trump administration, which she did.

29:20

This woman was the first

29:22

person to ever, first foreigner

29:24

to ever ask Donald Trump

29:27

a question about Russia at

29:29

his inaugural campaign press

29:32

event in Las Vegas, two

29:34

years after he had already gone to

29:37

Moscow and was being pushed by the

29:39

Russians to

29:41

run for president. Malcolm, let

29:44

me ask you this question because

29:46

I keep asking different people this

29:48

question. I'm not getting satisfactory answers.

29:50

With all of these blatant

29:53

security failures between us and Russia,

29:56

where it seems like at will,

29:58

Russia and Russian- spies

30:01

are infiltrating and gaining

30:03

access, why don't

30:05

we have a better firewall

30:08

to prevent the

30:13

corruption of our

30:17

politicians from Russian influence?

30:20

You know, back in the oldie days, when

30:22

I was young and we were going up against the

30:24

KGB, my

30:27

job was not to be flipped

30:29

into an asset by the Russians, we

30:32

were getting constant security briefings about how they

30:34

did operations, how they would try to recruit

30:36

you. Things have sort of

30:38

changed. We don't view the FSB

30:41

as a malignant force. White

30:44

evangelical Trump supporters don't view

30:46

Russia as a malignant force

30:48

at all because Donald Trump's

30:51

personal love of Vladimir Putin,

30:54

it filters down into the cult. Whatever

30:57

Donald Trump says is correct. So

31:00

all of the Marjorie Taylor Greens and all the rest of them, you

31:02

want to be a Trump lover, you got to love Moscow. You

31:06

want to have Trump in your good graces,

31:08

you got to hate Ukraine because Ukraine got

31:12

Zelensky and Zelensky got Trump

31:14

impeached. Right, but

31:16

there's separation though between

31:18

Donald Trump and

31:20

our national security, right? He's no

31:22

longer the

31:25

chief executive of the country. You

31:28

would think, but here's where the

31:30

FBI is now. And

31:34

during the Mueller report and all that stuff, how come

31:36

these things weren't investigated? First,

31:38

Mueller was not allowed to

31:40

conduct any counterintelligence investigation

31:42

at Donald Trump or his staff,

31:45

it was mandated out. Also

31:48

counterintelligence tends to

31:50

not go towards an

31:52

effect that you can see. What

31:55

they prefer to do is what we call ABC, right?

31:57

Always be collected. You go in.

32:00

The you monitor whoever is an

32:02

asset or an unwitting. You

32:04

know, an unwitting ah

32:07

asset. And you're trying

32:09

to get be actual agent of

32:11

a foreign power. Or.

32:13

His communications and then read back where

32:15

this is originating from. so of March

32:18

retailer Green and I say this all

32:20

the time. People are all the F

32:22

B. I Trump was saying that the

32:24

F B I shouldn't have seven oh

32:27

two Power Authority to Monitor American Citizens.

32:29

Months. Only authority they

32:31

have is the authority to

32:33

get a warrant. And

32:36

the only way to go get a word. Is.

32:38

If your dog do a spot. Effects

32:40

if you're talking to. some have been logged

32:43

the sun. Was. Dead I think.

32:45

Ah Or and Sv are the

32:47

clandestine service of the Fsb, the

32:50

Russian Cia spies. right? If you

32:52

walk into one of them on

32:54

a phone apps in Moscow, we're

32:57

going to roll on you. Look

32:59

at all that's that's by talk for you

33:02

know when I was it intersects repressed mutton

33:04

globe. And it's got

33:06

a loads a point you and I'm

33:08

going to get up from my terminal

33:10

and I'm on a all the watch

33:12

officer at the National Cigarettes or National

33:14

Security Watch Operations Center. In an essay

33:16

almas they bring the down a job

33:18

of the homeboy alive one and then

33:20

I want to take my hands off

33:22

the terminal and lawyers and super spies

33:24

are going to come down and are

33:26

going to go. I.

33:28

Got an American citizen talking

33:30

to the Director of Russia's

33:32

Clandestine Service and sees offering

33:35

his services to Moscow. Well.

33:37

Now that's more your tongue. Med

33:39

of than f b I liaison it

33:41

an essay will come in there and

33:44

he'll go when you got a new

33:46

drugs. Are. Going out for coffee

33:48

does? I'm now now because it involves an

33:50

American citizen. I can have a do with

33:52

this lawyers and F B I officers and

33:54

that God will put the headphones on. right?

33:57

And story of you. Whatever and he will. Wrapped

34:00

up a complete Spicer

34:03

warrant request. Pursue.

34:05

Went to American citizen communicating with

34:07

a clandestine offs are offering to

34:09

become an asset of our foreign

34:12

intelligence agencies which happens all the

34:14

time. We just caught a Chinese

34:16

one. Hum. And.

34:18

Spice your go there and fight.

34:21

the court will go. Oh here's

34:23

why. The. Gates Rodham

34:26

all day long because.

34:28

To. Get caught. You. Know to

34:30

do that. Julian us on staff and

34:32

stuff Snowden says. You know why? Are

34:35

you going to be a terrorist? And we're

34:37

not doing this to Joe Blow because

34:39

one, I don't have time I have

34:41

to get coffee with it's I don't

34:43

require coffee time on idiots. So

34:45

it's a very high bar. I guess that

34:47

that has be met. In. In

34:50

order for certain security protocols

34:52

to click into gear. A

34:55

martyr retail agreeing can call Vladimir

34:57

Putin. Okay, and there's

34:59

protocol for that if it's deploy

35:01

as it's authorized. If she just

35:03

wants the a roll up and

35:05

in and call him. Well.

35:08

You know, There's procedures for this.

35:10

She may be notified. She may

35:12

not be notified. Her side of

35:14

the conversation may not be preserved.

35:16

There are lawyers and F B

35:18

I also do this because this

35:21

falls under the National Security Division

35:23

Of of Justice and it falls

35:25

under the Counter Intelligence Division of

35:27

the of B. Wish I want

35:29

to call attention to something when

35:31

slump found out that. You. Know

35:33

Jared Kushner had called the Russians

35:36

and ask for a private secure

35:38

demeaning to a since town which

35:40

today is. Pressing

35:43

buttons and ask? All right right?

35:46

get your hands down here. We

35:48

got a hot water or hi.

35:50

It's been. Years since the asking

35:52

to be a spot. They. Can't bear

35:54

way odd as it. But. To

35:56

ask of for are in power for

35:59

secure. A graphic system

36:01

to where you could not be intercepted

36:03

by an American intelligence agencies which is

36:05

the F B I The only ones

36:07

are allowed to do this with A

36:09

finds A warrant. A

36:11

first person Donald Trump went

36:13

after. Was. Cedar Struck

36:16

the Director of the Sp

36:18

Eyes counterintelligence the mission. This

36:21

top spy hunter in America.

36:24

Coincidence. Takes a lot of planning as I like

36:27

to set. In jail. It

36:29

that's crazy.that's that's a sign of

36:31

guilt. And

36:34

then saw I want a backup See

36:36

you just mentioned a few minutes ago.

36:38

Ah my read can a green I

36:40

wanna were I want to touch on.

36:44

My. Johnson or as well like the

36:46

com A Mega Mike Johnson who he

36:49

was at the center of that whole

36:51

Ukraine funding fiasco where you know it

36:53

seem like he finally did the right

36:56

thing for a change he finally allowed

36:58

or the Ukraine funding to or to

37:00

get voted on but now he's beholden

37:02

to democrats you know t in order

37:05

to get the funding package across the

37:07

finish line. Marjorie or

37:09

eyes as I call her

37:11

Moscow Marjorie are more. With.

37:15

Threatening to to unseat him

37:17

to vacate his as speakership?

37:19

Is that threat over what?

37:21

What's next in in in

37:23

this this game of cat

37:26

and mouse between us to.

37:29

Well. I think the threat is over because he can't

37:31

get enough members that would vote for them. Sick.

37:33

Of file. it should get it, it's already been

37:35

Second, it. Ah, but she won't execute.

37:38

Ah, And her whole complaint is is

37:40

that they violated the astor right which

37:42

is that. Conservative.

37:44

Legislation must only pass with conservatives.

37:47

It can not have any democrats

37:49

unless they are conserve is what

37:51

a ride or it can not

37:54

pass with democratic help. In the

37:56

purpose of that was to make

37:58

it so it was always your

38:01

you know. Your. Own radioactivity.

38:03

Three for Democrats right. To

38:05

have any help from the

38:07

democrats means you're a traitor

38:09

and a rhino. Rt. So.

38:13

I'm I think her her

38:15

shot a spent because the

38:17

people it's that's actually convinced

38:19

Mike. Johnson was

38:21

not the Director the Cia.

38:24

It. Was the fact that the

38:26

overwhelming majority of that sixty billion

38:29

dollars was gone straight into Defence

38:31

Industries. And here's where. Miss

38:34

Right which is fired and shoots down

38:36

air defense and and knocks down Russian

38:39

hypersonic ballistic missiles in the missiles that

38:41

were fired at Israel. Thirty eight billion

38:43

every way for Israel. Sixty.

38:45

Billion for Ukraine. They're

38:47

made in Arizona. Now.

38:51

It's not like that states not important in

38:53

the election is rigged. Very important. Very.

38:55

It's very important. That

38:58

is sweet spot to

39:00

pass infusion. Into the

39:02

State of Arizona. Into the top

39:04

defense manufacturer. Their. Artillery

39:07

shells A by the way. Those.

39:10

Patriot missiles which we have in

39:12

stock that are going to be

39:14

Ukrainians are the ones that are

39:16

not new though. The Old: Once

39:18

there's no green it, we're defeating

39:21

Russia's most advanced technology with missiles

39:23

that are ten or fifteen years

39:25

old. Right now I'm living

39:27

in a container and. Unless

39:30

you shoot is used them. They they're

39:32

not going to degrade, you can check on only can

39:34

do all sorts of stuff. going to stay relatively safe

39:36

like a bullet. Watched eventually

39:38

gonna have to destroy them once

39:40

new stock comes in and did

39:42

this him. What happens is is

39:45

that defense department has to hire

39:47

contractors to disassemble them and then

39:49

blow up The warheads are disassemble

39:51

the were at and that costs

39:53

to a billion dollars to replace

39:55

all these old artillery shells from

39:58

Vietnam. Gulf. War era artillery. shells,

40:00

whereas you just put them on

40:02

a pallet, put them on a ship, send them to

40:04

Ukraine, they're going to be shot within a week and

40:07

no expense to us except for shipping. But

40:10

those new Patriot pack three

40:12

improved missiles, which are state

40:14

of the art, are

40:17

going to the US Army in exchange for

40:19

the older missiles, which are still kicking Russia's

40:22

ass. See what you

40:24

just explained, Malcolm, is

40:27

perfect in terms of countering

40:30

the argument, oh, why are we

40:32

sending all this money over to

40:34

Ukraine? We should be spending

40:37

it here. But how

40:39

you just explained it, it's like, we're

40:41

spending the money to basically

40:43

upgrade our own shit. And

40:46

we're sending Ukraine our pan

40:48

me downs. The White House,

40:50

the president said this yesterday,

40:53

what you have just spent that

40:55

money on is a full scale

40:58

upgrade of the US Armed Forces, every

41:00

artillery shell that goes to Ukraine. Here's

41:03

where they're made or they've been made

41:05

or stored, Pennsylvania,

41:08

Ohio, Arkansas,

41:11

and Alabama. That's

41:13

where that hard rolled steel that's an

41:16

artillery shell is made, spray painted, built

41:18

in tag. We learned something

41:21

from Ukraine. Artillery is

41:23

back at being the queen of the battlefield, as they

41:25

call it, right? I've

41:27

been bombarded silly. The

41:30

Russians had a 10 to one advantage when we

41:32

did our counter offensive. And

41:35

now the Ukrainians are scrounging for shells,

41:37

the checks actually found a billion dollars

41:39

worth of artillery shells from all around

41:41

the world. But this war consumes them,

41:44

you know, 1000 per day or more.

41:47

And you've got to look, it's

41:50

an 1100 kilometer long battlefield. And

41:52

you got to be having that stuff hit the Russians

41:54

all day, all night, or they'll move forward. And

41:57

the Russians the same thing. What's

42:00

happening is we've learned you

42:02

don't want just rolled steel solid

42:04

steel artillery shells You want precision

42:06

shells now? So for every one

42:08

of those Vietnam era Gulf War

42:10

era shells that it's just solid

42:13

steel that have been sitting around

42:15

You know for in warehouses and

42:17

depots for 30 years You're

42:21

gonna get a new precision Munition

42:23

artillery shelter replace it so that when

42:26

the Russians come it's one artillery shell

42:28

You don't use 15 artillery shells to

42:30

suppress and kill one tank and kill

42:33

a few soldiers It'll be one shell

42:35

one tank and it will it

42:37

will arrive one meter away from you or on

42:39

top of you And it will kill you and

42:42

so we're upgrading ourselves with the

42:45

lessons learned from Ukraine Also

42:47

Ukrainians also need artillery gun

42:50

barrels because after you shoot five or ten

42:52

thousand around you got to take those barrels

42:54

out and replace That's

42:56

more valuable than shells Those barrels

42:58

are made in just three places

43:01

in the United States and

43:03

guess what we're giving them our warehouse

43:05

barrels We're upgrading the entire new US

43:08

Army Artillery system because guess what we

43:10

determined that it's better to be on

43:12

wheels where you can pop off three

43:14

rounds Shift your position two or three

43:17

miles pop off three more rounds because

43:19

the Ukrainians approved us You do not

43:21

sit in one spot if

43:23

you're gonna fight a big war with China or Russia They're

43:26

gonna get you and the Russians are learning

43:28

it because they don't move so they get

43:30

their asses kicked you you've never

43:32

as as Fox News ever approach

43:35

you to be to

43:38

be there bugga boo to be there You

43:42

know the problem is I cannot be on Fox

43:44

News because I would start off all my segments

43:46

with what is wrong with you But

43:51

they would bring me on just to attack me. Believe me.

43:54

I just I just wish I Honestly

43:56

wish you could be like the czar of

43:59

explain training military equipment

44:03

common sense to people because you

44:05

explained it perfectly. I was explainer in chief

44:08

at MSNBC, which is why I did a

44:10

lot of various things. And you

44:12

know, even though I was an intelligence guy, hey, now you

44:14

got an intelligence guy that's had five, 6000 rounds

44:17

of artillery, has been on the receiving

44:19

end. We had a three day stretch

44:21

where we had nonstop artillery. It

44:24

got so bad we started doing this thing we call

44:26

the A game. He

44:28

would count the number of shells, then you sing

44:30

a song and then you're just like it's

44:33

like 4748. That's

44:37

how much stuff is coming.

44:45

And as I explained to people, this is

44:47

not the Gulf war where we had total

44:49

dominance. This is not desert storm, which I

44:51

took part in and Iraq, which I took

44:53

part in, this is the

44:57

Ardennes forest 1944 when the fog

44:59

is in in the Battle of

45:01

the Bulge, where it's tank,

45:04

man, artillery mortar.

45:07

That's it. No air power and

45:09

drones are those little low flying Piper

45:11

club airplanes to do observation

45:13

with some direct attack. But

45:16

there's no air power. There's no air

45:18

to air battles or like World War Two. And

45:21

there is no air dominance by either

45:23

side in Russia. Russia

45:25

can't fly their planes there. They fly

45:27

some but oh, it's another school I

45:29

went to Stinger anti aircraft missile school.

45:32

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45:35

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I'm glad you made it back safely

46:17

here. I want to

46:20

switch gears on to a topic

46:22

that's related, but not

46:24

as closely related. Since

46:29

Mike Johnson escaped his

46:31

little danger with Marjorie

46:33

Taylor Greene, he has

46:35

recently zipped off to

46:37

New York City to

46:39

Columbia University to dip

46:41

his toe into the Israel-Gaza

46:44

protests there to denounce the

46:46

president of Columbia and pressure

46:48

her to step down. What

46:51

exactly is happening there?

46:53

Can you unpack that for my listeners? Yeah,

46:55

and this is where you're going to start getting your hate mail. First

47:00

off, let me full

47:02

disclosure, as we like to

47:04

say in the news. I spent

47:08

my first 17

47:13

years working Middle

47:15

East counter-terrorism, starting

47:17

in Lebanon working against what

47:19

would become

47:22

Hezbollah, the

47:24

Shia Amal militias, the

47:27

Palestinian diaspora, Popular Front for the Liberation of

47:29

Palestine, Al-Fattah in Lebanon, all these things. I

47:31

speak Levantine dialect Arabic, that's

47:36

the first dialect ever learned, which

47:38

is Syrian, Lebanese, Palestinian dialect.

47:42

I've been to the West Bank, I've spent

47:44

time in Israel, I just came back from

47:46

five, almost six weeks in Israel, been

47:52

around. That's my

47:54

first few

47:57

years there. I spent the better part

47:59

on it. and off working missions to

48:01

find 125 Western hostages in Lebanon. And it took

48:03

a long time. So

48:10

I know a little something about the Middle East.

48:13

I spent the better part of 40 years there,

48:16

lived in the Middle East, most

48:18

of my career lived there. And

48:21

just spent 10 years in the Gulf States, I was

48:24

in Abu Dhabi for 10 years. That

48:27

being said, I

48:29

spent my entire career defending

48:33

Muslims from bad

48:35

Muslims, right? From

48:38

terrorists. Working

48:40

with them, right? I

48:42

helped liberate Kuwait City from Saddam

48:45

Hussein. You know, I helped against

48:47

Al-Qaeda who was, Al-Qaeda

48:49

was trying to seize control

48:52

of Islam throughout Al-Qaeda in

48:54

the Arabian Peninsula, right?

48:56

And believe me, the biggest issue I had

48:58

when I lived in Abu Dhabi and I

49:00

was working with the Emiratis is they

49:03

did not like Palestinians.

49:06

And they thought between the Egyptian

49:08

Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas

49:10

and the, you know, and the

49:12

Muslim Brotherhood backed groups like Palestinian

49:15

Islamic Jihad, they did not

49:17

want that infection in their countries. They

49:20

didn't. They thought Al-Qaeda could be managed,

49:22

right? ISIS can be managed.

49:24

You just kill them and they're gone. Whereas

49:28

the overwhelming majority of teachers

49:30

in, for example, in Dubai,

49:33

in the Arab schools were Palestinian. And

49:37

so during the first Gulf

49:39

War, before the first Gulf War, the

49:41

Kuwaitis had a

49:43

little problem. When Saddam

49:46

invaded Kuwait, the

49:48

Palestinians in Kuwait, over a hundred thousand

49:50

of them, had been secretly

49:53

working with Saddam and

49:55

helped them seize the country. At

49:57

the end of Desert Storm where I was there and I saw

49:59

the effects. of this. Kuwaiti

50:01

supported every Palestinian in

50:03

that country, because

50:05

it wasn't because they

50:08

couldn't trust them. It's just

50:10

that diaspora sided with their

50:12

immediate enemy. And so Bahrain,

50:15

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United

50:18

Arab Emirates, all maybe except

50:20

Oman. I've never seen a Palestinian in Oman.

50:22

I'm sure there's a few, but or

50:25

Yemen, right? They got their own issue. Those

50:28

diaspora, which are, I'm sorry, I'm gonna tell

50:30

you some things. The Palestinians are the most

50:32

intelligent and most

50:34

well educated of all the

50:36

people in the Muslim world,

50:39

which may be safe, except

50:41

Iran, but they're not Arabs,

50:43

right? They're Persians. Very

50:45

well educated. I think they have some crazy number like

50:47

90% educated.

50:49

When I say educated, I mean bachelor's degree. Wow.

50:52

Yeah, they're smart. They

50:55

could, had they decided to

50:57

do it, could have turned Gaza into

50:59

Singapore. And they would

51:01

be blitzing Israeli companies. They would have like,

51:03

the Turks would have come in there and

51:06

thrown boatloads of money in the Qataris. The

51:09

problem is that this issue,

51:12

which is not by the way, 75 years old,

51:14

I have people come to me all the time, they

51:16

go, Oh, you hate Arabs. It's like, wait, wait, I

51:19

listened to your show the other night,

51:21

the black man spy. I want to

51:23

say it was, it's 3000 years you

51:26

said, correct? 3000 years.

51:28

You know, the funny thing is, is that

51:30

when you go to Israel, and

51:33

I have people who are here, young

51:35

black kids, white kids, even

51:38

Arab Americans who go, Jews

51:40

all came from Europe. Well,

51:43

you got to go to Israel to see Israel

51:45

is a very brown country, very

51:47

brown. 80% of

51:50

the population are Arab

51:52

Jews. They're Mizrahi, which

51:54

means Israel. Yes, I interviewed a

51:57

woman who was born in Baghdad,

52:01

And they seized everything. One

52:03

day they were there, the next day

52:06

they were on a bus

52:08

to Damascus and trying to make their way

52:10

to Israel. The government

52:12

at the time seized every asset they

52:14

had. There was a

52:17

massive ethnic cleansing of Jews

52:19

from all across the Muslim

52:21

world. Historic fact documented.

52:23

One thing

52:26

I learned in Israel is when you go around

52:28

and you look at the archaeology, Hebrew

52:30

has been extant in its form that it

52:32

is today for almost 3,000 years. Jews

52:35

can read ancient manuscripts because it's

52:38

the same language. For

52:42

people to say this is 75 years, no it's

52:45

not. They speak the same language,

52:47

they practice the exact same religion, they are living

52:49

on the exact same land at the

52:51

same time. Same with the Christians, Christians

52:53

have been there since the time of Jesus

52:55

Christ, who was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity

53:00

didn't really form until after his death,

53:02

which was the philosophy of Jesus Christ.

53:05

The reason I mention this in the Torah, which

53:07

is the Old Testament, and Jesus' scripture,

53:10

which is the New Testament, are

53:12

all integral components of a book called the

53:14

Quran. In

53:16

the Quran, Jesus is the most powerful of

53:18

all prophets. He isn't God. He is the

53:21

most powerful of all prophets and will help

53:23

them see him. The

53:25

Messiah return on Judgment

53:27

Day and he

53:30

will return to establish

53:32

God's earthly caliphate. I

53:36

get people who get in my face and go, oh

53:38

you hate Islam, you hate Muslims, they're like,

53:41

oh no. I know a little

53:43

something about this because the prophet Muhammad, peace be

53:46

upon him, lived not

53:48

a city, a very small village

53:51

that was an economic center called

53:53

Mecca. And

53:55

one of the two indigenous families

53:57

in Mecca was a Jewish

53:59

family. Because in

54:02

610, Judaism had already

54:04

existed for 2,600 years. Christianity

54:10

was only 600 years old. And

54:13

when the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him,

54:16

this created Islam to become the seal of

54:18

the prophets. He was in

54:20

a city with Jews and Christians. And the

54:22

Prophet went and met the

54:25

Ethiopian Coptic Christians, which

54:27

sealed them within Islam as

54:30

a protected religion. Same with the

54:32

Judeans. He

54:34

went himself up the

54:36

trading trails up to

54:39

Aqaba and Madaba and

54:41

Petra to Jerusalem, which you

54:43

can walk that trip, okay?

54:46

On the camel tree, which is why he

54:48

knew Jerusalem so well. Why Doma

54:50

the Rock is there? Why he had

54:52

his night dream and traveled to God?

54:55

You know, it's a long... I've gone

54:57

out in the desert. There's

55:00

a lot to talk about when you're doing it on a

55:02

camel. I've ridden the camel in the desert. All

55:05

you're going to do is talk like we're talking right

55:07

now. Why I'm getting into this

55:09

little history lesson is... The

55:14

Palestinian-Israeli crisis right

55:16

now is focused on one thing

55:18

in my world. I come from

55:20

counterterrorism. On

55:22

6 October, there was no fighting between

55:25

Hamas and the Israelis.

55:28

The morning of 7 October, executing

55:31

a two-year-long plan,

55:34

Hamas stormed across that fence. And

55:37

I have been there. I have seen it. And

55:39

they killed every man, woman,

55:41

child, and very interestingly, every

55:44

dog, every family dog

55:47

that was over. They killed Christians.

55:49

They killed Muslims. They killed

55:51

Druze. They killed Coptics. They

55:53

killed Hindus. They killed

55:56

Filipina Catholics. They killed

55:58

a boatload of Buddhist... rice

56:00

workers from Thailand. And most

56:02

interestingly, they slaughtered a

56:05

family of 70 Bedouins that have

56:07

been there for centuries. Slaughtered

56:10

them. And you know what they said to

56:12

them when the when the Bedouins told me, they said, you're

56:14

no better than Jewish dogs because you're on this side of

56:16

the fence. They killed all

56:19

the Palestinian Muslims or Arab

56:21

Israelis, they call them. And

56:23

Arab Israeli is a Palestinian that

56:25

stayed in 1948 in

56:29

Israel. The people

56:31

that left in 1948 because

56:33

the Arab armies told them the leave Palestinian

56:37

diaspora that we see today.

56:40

So you cannot bring this story back to

56:42

75 years. The story

56:44

is now about and these

56:46

students are now advocating

56:48

not for and this is my problem with

56:50

it. I have saved a lot of

56:52

Muslims in my career. I

56:55

fired the machine gun at many of

56:57

my guys weddings. Okay, I

56:59

love my guys getting married and

57:01

you know, having kids and saying,

57:03

gee, I named my baby Malcolm,

57:06

or Malick after you, right? Because

57:09

Malcolm means Maleko, right? Nothing for

57:11

you. Malek

57:14

means king. So yeah, but

57:18

these people now started

57:22

out initially on the

57:24

afternoon of 10 seven, celebrating

57:26

the slaughter of

57:29

1200 people in a massive terrorist

57:31

attack. My terrorism wall will

57:33

not allow me to authorize that as

57:36

being a good thing. That's like celebrating

57:38

911. Right, right.

57:40

Then it went when the

57:42

Israelis did what the Israelis

57:44

do is Israel is an

57:46

overwhelming military power overwhelming. There

57:49

are people today that come up and

57:51

say Palestine is almost free. The Israelis

57:53

are defeated. And it's like you live

57:55

in an alternate reality. Either

57:58

Gaza is being leveled. Or

58:00

you're winning and you're about to get all of

58:02

Israel, which one is you can't do both. When

58:06

the Israelis came and carried out their military

58:08

war plan and it was a war. Okay.

58:12

This is war. This isn't

58:14

counter terrorism. It's not counterinsurgency

58:17

straight up in your face

58:19

warfare. And the reason it's so brutal in

58:21

God is the palette, the

58:24

Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad put

58:26

a 30,000 man combat

58:28

force underground in

58:31

the middle of an urban area.

58:33

That is like, I want you to think

58:36

of the entirety of fully

58:38

occupied or occupied, but

58:40

fully inhabited Brooklyn. And

58:44

then fight every 100 meters

58:46

through every building in it

58:49

with a combat force. That's throwing ammunition

58:51

your way. And you're using air power.

58:54

You are going to devastate that

58:56

place. Every war is like this.

58:59

These people now have

59:01

shifted from, in my

59:04

opinion, supporting the

59:06

people of, of Daza and

59:08

the humanitarian needs that they

59:10

have, right? Food's

59:12

getting in 350 trucks a day. The

59:16

humanitarian corridors are open. The Egyptians

59:18

are bringing them in. But

59:22

it's not the 500 a day they were getting before, but that

59:24

500 a day was bringing in like a

59:26

hundred of concrete and pipes that were being

59:28

used to make rockets. Food

59:31

is getting in. It's there. There

59:33

is no starvation going on. They're selling US

59:35

MREs for $3 in the soup there. How

59:39

do I know? They show it on YouTube. Right.

59:43

Um, and they won't eat them. They're held out. What's an

59:45

M, what's an MRE? Oh, meals ready

59:47

to eat that we're dropping from the airplanes. They're held

59:50

out. We're funding them through

59:52

Jordan. The Jordanians are dropping them. They

59:54

got pop-tarts. Hello pop-tarts.

59:57

So the point here. Is

1:00:00

that? What? Started.

1:00:03

As. A The support

1:00:05

for the Palestinian people. Has

1:00:07

over the last six months transformed

1:00:10

into. The. Elimination of

1:00:12

Israel Movement. And.

1:00:15

So when people say to me from the

1:00:17

river to to see Palestine will be free.

1:00:20

That. Means. Enforcement our kids

1:00:22

don't know which river or woodsy. Know

1:00:25

what's your audience? The Jordan River which I

1:00:27

have been do and crossed over right on

1:00:29

the Allah Be bridge and I've been but

1:00:31

a dead sea on both sides and the

1:00:33

Mediterranean Sea which I spent years steaming into

1:00:35

right? I was just there. Were

1:00:37

the greats or schools? And tacos.

1:00:40

In Tel Aviv. I'm. This.

1:00:44

Is. The. Are going to put it.

1:00:47

This is what. These. Young

1:00:49

students are chanting for

1:00:52

his the destruction. Of

1:00:54

the State of Israel, It. Is

1:00:57

mindless. It. Sounds fine when

1:00:59

you're saying it. But. It's

1:01:01

almost the equivalent of a quiet

1:01:03

a will defeat you. Being.

1:01:06

On campus after Nine Eleven. Because.

1:01:09

What you're asking for is not

1:01:12

just the deaths of eight well

1:01:14

of six million Jews. Only

1:01:16

fifteen percent of that that you know

1:01:18

of whom. You know,

1:01:20

juice represent a very small minority in

1:01:23

this world. You also calling for the

1:01:25

death of the two million. Arab.

1:01:27

Israelis, The Palestinians who have been living

1:01:29

there since Nineteen Forty Eight. Also

1:01:32

more that thousand Ethiopians as I

1:01:34

get the eighty percent of jews

1:01:36

are brown their from Arab countries.

1:01:39

I had a hard time finding

1:01:41

white people. They're. Real. Money.

1:01:43

Money. as on a sudden for

1:01:45

a minute or so as I

1:01:48

understand our universities and I'm not

1:01:50

even talking about. ivy

1:01:53

league like out of my

1:01:55

dad columbia i'm saying in

1:01:57

general college right colleges his

1:01:59

ass place of higher

1:02:01

learning when you talking about

1:02:03

a university like.

1:02:06

Columbia that's like the upper echelon

1:02:09

that's where we send that's where

1:02:11

you send your kids when you

1:02:13

really want them to learn something

1:02:16

bigger and better and higher. Harvard

1:02:19

or harvard or gail prince and those those.

1:02:27

You know funny thing is i heard anything about princeton. So

1:02:31

here's here's what i'm getting at

1:02:33

right i'm not that smart as

1:02:35

far as. Is

1:02:38

the middle east is concerned

1:02:40

in all of its intricacies however

1:02:42

i have heard the phrase from

1:02:44

the river to the sea you

1:02:46

know and i've also heard that

1:02:49

it implies. A

1:02:51

genocide of the israeli people

1:02:53

so naturally i don't care

1:02:55

how you know cool anybody

1:02:57

thinks it sounds the

1:02:59

fact that. Israelis

1:03:02

or jewish people feel threatened

1:03:04

by that i would not

1:03:06

use that now we

1:03:09

know that kids in colleges

1:03:11

tend to be more sensitive

1:03:15

right about things that are offensive

1:03:17

to people you know they call.

1:03:20

Universities basically like woke

1:03:22

woke isn't centers right

1:03:24

so why would

1:03:27

they be employing this

1:03:29

language. And that's that's

1:03:31

question number one and question number

1:03:33

two. Are

1:03:36

these protests being

1:03:39

infiltrated by

1:03:42

weaponized people who are

1:03:44

intending to. Steer

1:03:47

a narrative in a

1:03:49

direction that potentially harms

1:03:51

left wing progressives. Okay,

1:03:56

you can just stop using the word progressive

1:03:58

for the extreme. left wing

1:04:00

that are part of the Free Palestine Movement.

1:04:02

I'm now speaking as a professional. Just

1:04:05

remove that, Chris. All right,

1:04:07

there are people who are there, who

1:04:10

are extremists for any cause

1:04:12

that comes up. And

1:04:14

people were referring to them as Antifa and

1:04:16

all that stuff. Do you remember in the

1:04:18

Portland riots, there were groups called the Black

1:04:20

Block? The Black

1:04:23

Block were those extremist guys who wear

1:04:25

the black mask and the Black Lives

1:04:27

Matter. Yeah, up the sidewalk. They're

1:04:31

hardcore chaos agents.

1:04:33

Left wing, right? You

1:04:36

know, mainly coming from the Democratic Socialists of

1:04:38

America and some of these more extremist links.

1:04:41

They, along with well-meaning

1:04:44

people who after, you

1:04:46

know, the day of 10-7 and day of 10-8,

1:04:49

the people who were celebrating were,

1:04:53

I'm sorry to say, part of

1:04:55

the Palestinian diaspora in the world,

1:04:57

and including the United States who

1:04:59

saw the attack on Israel as

1:05:02

an achievement for their people. Even

1:05:05

as we were going on air, I was

1:05:07

in Dubai the next day, right?

1:05:10

And doing news programs, you

1:05:12

know, BBC, London Broadcasting, and

1:05:14

going, whoa, whoa, this is

1:05:16

a mass murder, right?

1:05:19

Do you know what's coming? You

1:05:22

killed 1,200 Jews.

1:05:25

You're going to get the full might of

1:05:27

the Israeli armed forces. And let

1:05:30

me be honest with you, they have certainly

1:05:32

not even seen a fraction of what the

1:05:34

Israelis can do. Malcolm, here's my point. Here's

1:05:36

my point. One last one last point on

1:05:38

this. Yeah. Yeah. Joe, by the way, is

1:05:40

a nuclear power. So I don't know if

1:05:42

people understand that. Oh, yeah. The

1:05:45

people who have started

1:05:47

were the diaspora. Then came

1:05:50

the allies. Then came

1:05:52

the agitators. And I

1:05:54

think that by December, you start

1:05:56

seeing a transition definitely by January,

1:05:59

a wave. from the

1:06:01

lives of Palestinian children

1:06:06

from the river to the sea, you know,

1:06:08

resistance, when they had the big march down

1:06:10

here on Fifth Avenue, resistance

1:06:13

by all means necessary.

1:06:16

That's an open call for terrorism. All

1:06:18

means necessary is what happened on January 7th, on

1:06:21

October 7th, the slaughter of

1:06:23

every man, woman, child and dog

1:06:26

in Southern Israel, no matter what

1:06:28

their religious faith or confession was.

1:06:31

I think that this is going in a

1:06:33

bad way, and here's why. One,

1:06:36

the people of Columbia, which is right up the

1:06:38

road here, yesterday were

1:06:40

saying that outsiders were coming in

1:06:43

there. There are members

1:06:45

who are known to be affiliated with

1:06:47

Hamas. Some

1:06:49

of these people live in New York City. New York's a huge

1:06:51

city, so they have a big Arab

1:06:53

Muslim diaspora. Mm-hmm. And

1:06:56

they are supporting these movements, but

1:06:58

the schools have

1:07:00

been so slow to secure the campus,

1:07:04

all right, which is the gates, not letting

1:07:06

anybody in that doesn't have an ID card

1:07:08

that they've just been overwhelmed. Also,

1:07:10

there was organization for every

1:07:12

school in America to have

1:07:15

this protest yesterday and

1:07:17

to start occupying the campuses. Here's

1:07:20

where this is going to get bad. I

1:07:22

mean, again, 40 years in terrorism, right?

1:07:26

Someone is going to take

1:07:28

this to the next level, and

1:07:30

there will be an act of political

1:07:32

violence in the name

1:07:35

of the Palestinian people or Hamas or whatever.

1:07:38

And you're gonna see this whole movement

1:07:40

disappear overnight. It'll

1:07:42

be like, sorry, again, until

1:07:44

there is a direct impact on the

1:07:47

American people, there's a lot of tolerance

1:07:49

for what's going on. But

1:07:51

when you block the highway to JFK, people

1:07:55

are gonna get a little angry. But if

1:07:57

you carry out a terrorist attack, which is all

1:07:59

unconcerned. about with the safety of everybody.

1:08:02

You kill a Jewish student because

1:08:04

he's a Jew. You

1:08:06

attack someone or you blow

1:08:08

up a pipe bomb or set off a firecracker

1:08:10

that's too big. The entire

1:08:13

Joint Terrorism Task Force system of the

1:08:15

United States is going to sit up,

1:08:17

take notice, and that movement is

1:08:19

going to be horribly damaged. Here's

1:08:22

my point, Malcolm, right? Let's

1:08:25

go back four years, the summer

1:08:27

of 2020. And

1:08:30

I'm talking about the George, God

1:08:35

damn, what's the name of the guy with that? George

1:08:38

Floyd? Thank you. We

1:08:42

had the George Floyd

1:08:44

protests, right? And I'm

1:08:46

specifically using the word protest

1:08:49

because by

1:08:51

and large, the vast majority

1:08:53

of those protests

1:08:56

were peaceful. There were

1:08:58

people kneeling and praying

1:09:01

and playing music. And

1:09:03

they were peaceful. However,

1:09:07

we had some pockets of extreme violence where

1:09:13

we had people, and I would like

1:09:15

to, I'm saying

1:09:18

that these were people from probably those

1:09:20

groups that you mentioned. We're

1:09:25

in the black garb. And the

1:09:28

fact that their faces are concealed,

1:09:30

they're wearing masks, you can't really

1:09:32

even confirm who

1:09:34

they represent, right? Who

1:09:37

benefits from a peaceful

1:09:40

movement, being

1:09:42

hijacked and distorted

1:09:45

and perverted into something

1:09:47

gross and violent and

1:09:50

deadly even, destructive and deadly, who

1:09:52

benefits from that? The, you know,

1:09:54

it worked to

1:09:57

discredit. the

1:10:00

Black Lives Matter movement. Let

1:10:04

me tell you, I know exactly where you're

1:10:06

going. I will tell you who's not going

1:10:08

to do this, all right? You're not gonna

1:10:10

find any Jewish master hands coming from the

1:10:12

Rothschilds doing this. The group we

1:10:14

talked about, Black Block, has

1:10:17

swapped out their white

1:10:19

people, overwhelmingly white, have

1:10:22

swapped out their black mask and black

1:10:24

suits and their bags with monkey

1:10:26

wrenches and sledgehammers pulling up bricks

1:10:29

to wearing kufiyas around

1:10:31

their face now. I'm surprised

1:10:33

at how overwhelmingly, the

1:10:37

supporters and allies of this work,

1:10:40

actual organizers on the

1:10:42

ground, are the same

1:10:45

people who were involved in

1:10:48

not the African-American community that

1:10:50

was protesting George Floyd, but

1:10:52

the so-called allies who came

1:10:54

there and helped start the

1:10:56

riots. We know, yes, there

1:10:58

were white, right-wing

1:11:00

extremists who went around,

1:11:02

were smashing windows, and

1:11:05

were pretending to be

1:11:07

left-wing extremists, but

1:11:09

I'm talking about the people in

1:11:11

that famous video in Santa Monica,

1:11:13

were three women all

1:11:15

wearing black, one Asian, two white, were

1:11:18

spray painting black power on a Starbucks,

1:11:20

and a black woman confronts them and

1:11:22

goes, you don't speak for us, why

1:11:25

are you doing that? And she goes,

1:11:27

we're paralyzed. Well, guess where they are

1:11:29

now? They're jacking

1:11:33

or facilitating the edges

1:11:37

of the Free Palestine Movement. The

1:11:39

only problem is the Free Palestine

1:11:41

Movement likes their energy, likes their

1:11:44

enthusiasm, likes their ability to get

1:11:46

into the street with them and

1:11:49

validate them. And I

1:11:51

think that this is not necessarily a great thing.

1:11:55

Muslims should not be attacking Jews on

1:11:57

the street. Try

1:12:00

you know should not have to

1:12:02

feel uncomfortable anywhere the same way

1:12:05

after 9-11 Muslims were

1:12:07

defended. I defended them my

1:12:10

whole life. I've defended them Islamophobia,

1:12:12

I'll be the first one to smack it

1:12:14

down vice versa Same

1:12:17

thing for black same thing for Muslims same thing

1:12:19

for Hindus. I don't care who you are I

1:12:21

fought my entire life to defend your right

1:12:23

to say any stupid thing you want including

1:12:25

free free Palestine or or Hamas

1:12:28

is great or whatever now

1:12:30

that being said I am

1:12:32

explainer in chief here If

1:12:36

someone goes beyond what they're doing

1:12:38

I Want to point something out to

1:12:40

you? I've noticed that the

1:12:42

movement has glommed on to the

1:12:44

words of Malcolm X But

1:12:48

oh it's yeah any means necessary by any

1:12:50

means necessary. They use that all the time

1:12:52

I see signs all the time resistance, you

1:12:54

know resistance is is you know is a

1:12:56

priority or whatever it is and But

1:13:00

they don't use the words of Martin Luther King right,

1:13:03

right that they would use a Peaceful

1:13:06

means I mean you want to

1:13:08

be a powerful here's powerful get

1:13:11

into the middle of Fifth Avenue sit down don't say a

1:13:13

word Don't

1:13:15

say a word let your movement

1:13:18

speak for you right no I'm

1:13:21

getting in JFK and shutting down the Van

1:13:23

Wic Right is and

1:13:25

I put a tweet out for this and you're

1:13:27

gonna get that you're gonna get a lot of

1:13:29

hate mail over this where I said Your

1:13:32

movement is hated by Americans

1:13:34

hate it we just

1:13:37

haven't gotten to the point where your right

1:13:39

to free speech has become a wave

1:13:42

of Ranker to

1:13:45

where now law enforcement is

1:13:47

going to enforce the law But

1:13:50

Malcolm where where is this? Where is

1:13:52

the space? Right, where

1:13:54

is the space for people to

1:13:57

stand up and object to?

1:14:00

Netanyahu's blatant

1:14:04

targeting of civilian

1:14:07

populations in the

1:14:11

Palestinian areas, in Gaza. Where

1:14:14

is the space for that? For

1:14:16

people objecting to the killing of

1:14:18

10,000 children. Where

1:14:20

is that thing? Well, first off, I don't

1:14:22

want to have the numbers debate because

1:14:25

I want to point out... Because it can't be confirmed? No,

1:14:27

because in 2014 or 2015, the first Hamas-Israel

1:14:30

war occurred. And

1:14:36

at the end of 52 days, Hamas claimed 25,000 civilians

1:14:38

were killed. When

1:14:41

it was all over and done with, they sat down and they counted them all. 80% or

1:14:43

75% of the people killed were

1:14:45

men and combatants. And

1:14:50

it was regrettable. 500, 400 some odd children were killed, some

1:14:52

400, 500 women were killed. But

1:14:56

the numbers were completely off by an order

1:14:58

of magnitude. I've had

1:15:00

this discussion on television debates.

1:15:03

You know, if you're going to show me

1:15:05

30,000 killed... And

1:15:07

that's a number, by the way, which comes from

1:15:10

a terrorist group. It does not come from the

1:15:12

health ministry of Gaza. There is not. There

1:15:14

is the Hamas health ministry.

1:15:17

And it's been proven mathematically all they did

1:15:19

was multiply the number every day. But

1:15:22

civilians are dying. Civilians

1:15:25

are dying. Why can't we get an

1:15:27

accurate count? You

1:15:30

won't get an accurate count until this thing's over and done

1:15:32

with. Civilians are

1:15:34

dying because the entire Hamas infrastructure

1:15:36

was built to kill civilians. I

1:15:39

wrote a sub-stack about this called Hamas Needs

1:15:41

Dead Babies from both sides. And

1:15:44

that they put their infrastructure

1:15:47

next to schools, next to mosques,

1:15:49

into hospitals because they knew... Don't

1:15:52

believe me, Malcolm? What would you know about

1:15:54

it? I'm going to quote Ismail

1:15:56

Taniya. And he said,

1:15:58

we need the blood. of our

1:16:01

dead citizens in order

1:16:03

to stoke the revolutionary fervor,

1:16:06

right, of our fighters

1:16:08

to fight the Israelis. Isn't

1:16:12

there a way to get

1:16:14

at Hamas without, you

1:16:16

know what I mean? Use

1:16:19

a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer. Isn't

1:16:21

there a way to do that? Okay.

1:16:26

No. Okay. There's

1:16:29

no way. We did this in

1:16:31

Fallujah. In the second battle of

1:16:33

Fallujah in 2004, we removed 90% of the population

1:16:36

of the city of

1:16:41

Fallujah. And I've been in Fallujah. That is

1:16:43

a very low, it's not a city, it's

1:16:45

a town that's very low. Three stories, four

1:16:47

stories is the top. Gaza

1:16:50

is 25 miles separated only

1:16:53

by one little area called Wadi

1:16:55

Gaza. 25

1:16:57

miles by six miles of five

1:16:59

to 10 story concrete

1:17:02

block buildings, except

1:17:04

for the Bshati, right, the coast?

1:17:07

And the green belt that goes along the Israeli border.

1:17:10

It is a dense urban area. It

1:17:13

is Stalingrad in 1944. Hamas

1:17:16

chose that battleground. They

1:17:19

did what they did to bring the

1:17:21

Israelis in and they knew there would

1:17:23

be grievous casualties. The problem is the

1:17:26

Israelis went at it well,

1:17:29

two ways. One what we call a 100 meter war, 100 yards. That's

1:17:33

a football. Right? That's

1:17:36

how fat far the average gun

1:17:38

battle takes place. The

1:17:40

Israeli army had to eat through

1:17:42

Northern Gaza 100 meters at a

1:17:45

time. Now

1:17:47

when the Israelis are moving forward 100 meters, it's

1:17:49

not, okay, I walk 100 meters and

1:17:51

I take that place. It's 100

1:17:53

meters of contested battlefield where you're

1:17:56

being shot at with machine gun

1:17:58

bullets and RPGs and rockets

1:18:00

and motors. So the Israelis are

1:18:02

shooting back. So what's happening is 100 meters of

1:18:05

destruction at a time until

1:18:08

you eat all the way up from the

1:18:10

north, right, all the way down

1:18:15

to the south, right, and

1:18:18

that five, 10

1:18:20

miles is

1:18:22

destroyed. Hamas would

1:18:24

not let the civilians leave that area. The

1:18:27

Israeli airstrikes there were not indiscriminate, even

1:18:29

though people have used that word a

1:18:31

lot. Israel knows what they're aiming at.

1:18:34

Indiscriminate is like just flying over it,

1:18:37

not even looking and just letting them

1:18:39

all go. It's discriminant.

1:18:41

The problem is civilians

1:18:43

and their infrastructure were what

1:18:46

we call bomb sponges for

1:18:48

the Hamas tunnel system, that

1:18:51

those buildings would absorb the impacts before

1:18:53

they would get to the tunnels. Hamas's

1:18:57

strategy was

1:18:59

to use the civilians, not as human

1:19:01

shield, but as human sponges for Israeli

1:19:03

bombs. Why? Why came

1:19:06

in on ground? That's

1:19:08

where Hamas lost because you can't beat the

1:19:10

Israelis on the ground. You can't. So

1:19:13

why did Netanyahu help

1:19:16

to prop up Hamas

1:19:18

over the Palestinian Authority?

1:19:20

And here's where you're gonna get

1:19:23

an answer that quite surprised you.

1:19:25

You ask, where's the anti-Netanyahu space

1:19:27

that people can go to and

1:19:29

say, you know, where's my Twitter

1:19:31

timeline? Not a fan. I

1:19:33

hope to interview him, you know, John Spencer

1:19:35

interview him, I can interview him.

1:19:37

And it's going to be really,

1:19:39

you thought you could buy a

1:19:42

terrorist group because here's what here's

1:19:44

what Netanyahu did in 2005. He

1:19:47

was so he so hated

1:19:50

Yasser Arafat and

1:19:52

Fatah, his his military wing,

1:19:54

which became the Palestinian Authority

1:19:56

under the Oslo Accords, not

1:19:59

Netanyahu. himself, but you know at the

1:20:01

time it was Rabin who ate a bullet

1:20:05

for getting out of Gaza, for pulling

1:20:07

Jews out of Gaza and

1:20:09

de-settling Gaza. Rabin

1:20:11

was murdered by his own people

1:20:14

to give you an idea of how hot that place

1:20:16

is. When

1:20:18

Netanyahu came into

1:20:20

power, he thought, I

1:20:23

hate Arafat, so let's kill Arafat, let's

1:20:26

defang the Palestinian Authority,

1:20:29

and that somehow

1:20:32

by backing Hamas

1:20:35

that they would wipe out Fatah for them

1:20:38

in Gaza, which is what happened. They

1:20:41

literally slaughtered, like

1:20:43

I think it's almost a thousand members

1:20:45

of the Fatah police and military forces

1:20:47

and political body. When Hamas

1:20:49

took power, they summarily executed them

1:20:51

all. There's a great book called

1:20:53

Hamas vs. Fatah, which spells out

1:20:55

the slaughter. Netanyahu

1:20:58

let a terrorist group come in, but thought

1:21:00

that money and power

1:21:02

would temper them. He

1:21:05

allowed it's hard to give them

1:21:07

money, thinking Gulf State money and

1:21:09

power would temper them. He apparently

1:21:11

never read Hamas's Charter, which is

1:21:13

the utter slaughter of all Jews.

1:21:17

They are Al-Qaeda and ISIS

1:21:20

wrapped in a Palestinian

1:21:22

national flag. And I have

1:21:24

these terrorism experts, you know, I've written several

1:21:26

books on ISIS and Al-Qaeda, including

1:21:29

The Times bestseller, and I have you

1:21:31

guys going, they're not ISIS, no, they're

1:21:33

not Salafist, jihadist, who are

1:21:35

trying to call for an Islamic caliphate

1:21:37

to take over the world. Right now,

1:21:40

they are not Fatah. When I was

1:21:42

a baby spy back in the

1:21:44

80s, Fatah was a

1:21:46

socialist movement sponsored

1:21:49

by the Soviet Union and

1:21:51

other states, and they had

1:21:53

women without, you know, with

1:21:55

their hair exposed and running

1:21:57

around with guns. Now,

1:22:01

that was Palestinian

1:22:03

nationalism. That's what

1:22:05

Arafat was. That's what all

1:22:07

that terrorism was, was Palestinian nationalism. This

1:22:11

is Islamic fundamentalism

1:22:13

wrapped in the philosophy of the Muslim

1:22:16

Brotherhood, which has

1:22:18

a Palestinian flag wrapped

1:22:20

around the philosophy of

1:22:23

the utter destruction of all

1:22:25

Jews. So it's sort

1:22:27

of a hybrid Al-Qaeda,

1:22:29

ISIS, you know, philosophy.

1:22:33

But they're not very good at it.

1:22:36

Yes, they did invade Israel. Yes, Israel

1:22:38

was too arrogant and did to see

1:22:40

it. Yes, Netanyahu should resign from his

1:22:42

job for failing at

1:22:44

the one mission that he had, which was the protection

1:22:46

of the Israeli people. There are protests in Israel every

1:22:48

day. You wanna go to the art museum where the

1:22:51

families of the hostages are. You wanna see some things,

1:22:53

man. Those people go over to Ministry of Defense and

1:22:55

they get in the street and they throw down. And

1:22:58

Netanyahu sends cops after him. Guys,

1:23:00

he's popular only for one thing, is

1:23:02

that he is the current leader of

1:23:04

a coalition government. But politically,

1:23:08

no one is supporting

1:23:10

him to stay the prime minister. There is

1:23:12

no secret plan to get

1:23:14

every person out of Gaza. Impossible, right?

1:23:17

Now, if Donald Trump were president, he would

1:23:19

be pushing that plan. Ship them all

1:23:22

off to Egypt, let them all walk to the West Bank,

1:23:24

right? Take it over and Jared Kushner

1:23:27

will build resorts there. Because

1:23:29

it's really nice, by the way, really nice

1:23:31

beaches. That's

1:23:33

what they would do. But that's not

1:23:35

what's at play here. The average Israeli does

1:23:37

not want that. The average Israeli just wants

1:23:39

to be left alone and in peace. It's

1:23:42

as simple as that. But when you pop 10,000 rockets

1:23:46

into central Israel in every major city

1:23:48

in Israel, you are going to

1:23:50

get what the Israelis are good at, which is they have

1:23:52

prepared since 1948 to

1:23:55

have overwhelming firepower to

1:23:57

defeat any enemy. They

1:24:01

defeated the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Jordanians,

1:24:03

and the Saudis, and everybody else simultaneously

1:24:05

with one of the smaller armies of

1:24:08

the Middle East. So,

1:24:10

there is no military solution to

1:24:12

this for whoever wants to see

1:24:15

a free Palestine. They are going

1:24:17

to have to defang their terrorism,

1:24:19

stop the suicide bombings, stop the

1:24:21

rockets, sit down and

1:24:24

deal with Israel as an entity

1:24:26

that will never, ever go away.

1:24:29

It ain't going anywhere. And

1:24:31

that's why Israelis are working against the Iranians. The Iranians

1:24:34

want a nuke, okay,

1:24:36

and nuclear weapons

1:24:38

changes the entire dynamic. That's

1:24:40

not going to end well. Not?

1:24:43

Are you kidding? You should just

1:24:45

start thinking that there could be a Hiroshima

1:24:47

or Nagasaki in our lifetime if

1:24:49

Iran starts getting on the cusp of

1:24:51

developing a nuclear weapon. Which

1:24:54

we were, I think, headed

1:24:56

in the right direction away from

1:24:58

that when the United States was

1:25:01

part of that Iran

1:25:03

deal. Yeah, the problem with the Iranians,

1:25:06

not the Iranians, by the way. The

1:25:08

Iranian people are smart. They're intelligent. When

1:25:11

I lived in Abu Dhabi, I met lots of

1:25:13

Iranians. I know what the average Iranian wants. They

1:25:15

want a 2020 Ford Toyota Corolla. They

1:25:18

want prosperity for their family, their kids.

1:25:20

They want to be left in peace.

1:25:22

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and

1:25:24

the Mullahs are an entirely different animal.

1:25:27

They, and this is

1:25:29

something that is also controversial, they are not

1:25:32

in a battle for control of Jerusalem. Yes,

1:25:34

they've surrounded Israel with hostile

1:25:36

entities on three sides,

1:25:38

Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Yemenis,

1:25:40

and Hamas. The

1:25:43

real battle is for the control of Islam. There

1:25:46

is a 1,400 year

1:25:48

old battle between Shia

1:25:50

Islam and Sunni, and

1:25:53

the Saudis are terrified of the

1:25:55

Iranians getting a nuke. Saudis

1:25:58

will go to Pakistan. They'll offer to buy one. hundred

1:26:00

billion on the table. It gets to

1:26:02

that. I mean, so the inner

1:26:05

machinations, you see how we went from

1:26:07

children in Hama and in Gaza to

1:26:10

Iran deciding to flex its power and throw

1:26:12

351 missiles, cruise missiles and ballistic

1:26:16

missiles at Israel and Israel

1:26:18

and the only person they hurt was

1:26:21

a seven year old Muslim Bedouin

1:26:23

child who is now recovering. That's

1:26:26

not what Israel is. Let

1:26:28

me bring us back all the way back

1:26:30

to Columbia University.

1:26:32

How does how does he

1:26:35

how did these because it's not just Columbia

1:26:37

actually, I think it's it's Texas since as

1:26:39

you said it's all over. It's all over

1:26:41

the NYU. It's a Columbia. It's over, you

1:26:44

know, there was a big movement where they

1:26:46

all rushed the center of Harvard Yard. You

1:26:49

know, it's all fun and games. Um,

1:26:52

you know, I defend their right

1:26:54

to say any stupid thing they want protest.

1:26:58

What's the best? What's the

1:27:00

best way to deal with these

1:27:03

protests? Do we just let them continue? Do

1:27:05

they are they going to peter out on

1:27:07

their own? Um, no,

1:27:09

the schools have already been brought have

1:27:11

been warned that if

1:27:13

students any student cannot go

1:27:16

and study peacefully on campus,

1:27:18

then they have an unacceptable

1:27:21

situation. And the problem right

1:27:23

now, these protests are disruptive. And like

1:27:25

the person people at Columbia said, we're

1:27:27

part of that movement. They say it's

1:27:30

the outside agitators from,

1:27:32

you know, the diaspora and the black

1:27:34

thought guys who are ready to get

1:27:36

throw down and fight with the NYPD.

1:27:38

And it's going to get it's going to get

1:27:40

awful. And what's going to happen is you're going to have then

1:27:43

this is what I was saying earlier,

1:27:45

an American backlash to

1:27:47

where you will go

1:27:49

from where the you know, most

1:27:53

the majority of African Americans will support you to where

1:27:55

they hate you. You know, that flipped by

1:27:57

the way on one day, there was

1:27:59

a video. of Palestinians

1:28:01

that went to a black democratic

1:28:04

party, Christmas party,

1:28:06

and started fighting and

1:28:08

punching these little old ladies

1:28:10

in December. And overnight,

1:28:13

the video went what went what you

1:28:15

go? I missed it. I totally missed

1:28:17

it. The video went viral. And

1:28:20

instantly, it was like all blacks over the

1:28:22

age of 35 were like, we

1:28:24

don't support you. You

1:28:28

cannot make your

1:28:31

advocacy become violent. You

1:28:33

cannot throw it in people's faces.

1:28:36

They were pulling the Martin Luther King Edmund Pettus

1:28:39

bridge thing. They'd be fine. But that's

1:28:41

not what we're seeing. We're seeing a lot of hotheads. I

1:28:44

lived in that world. People can get

1:28:46

quite emotional. And then they

1:28:48

look at guys like me and they go, you're a

1:28:50

Zionist. You're a columnist. You're a genocide

1:28:52

lover. And it's like really,

1:28:55

really, I understand the

1:28:57

whole concept and premise of

1:29:00

protest is that you do have to

1:29:02

make heads turn. You have to you

1:29:04

do have to stop traffic. You do

1:29:06

have to make people sit up and

1:29:08

notice like some some shit is going

1:29:10

on. You're not going to draw attention

1:29:13

to your cause by sitting at home

1:29:15

quietly praying in your basement. You know,

1:29:17

you do have to make people uncomfortable

1:29:20

because otherwise, why isn't it let anyone going

1:29:23

to pay attention to you? But you shouldn't.

1:29:25

But you don't have the you don't have

1:29:27

the right to make people

1:29:29

feel unsafe. You don't have the

1:29:31

right to threaten people physically or

1:29:34

actually take actions against them physically.

1:29:36

You know, there has to be

1:29:38

a there's a fine line between

1:29:40

I support your

1:29:42

cause and what the

1:29:45

fuck are you doing? You know, in

1:29:48

my face, threatening me, punching me,

1:29:50

you know, right?

1:29:52

Right. Well, you know, and there's always

1:29:55

going to be that violent edge. And

1:29:58

we talked about who some of those people are. They

1:30:00

harness the emotions of a very,

1:30:03

you know, of people who are being

1:30:05

very emotional about deaths that they

1:30:07

see overseas. But you know,

1:30:09

we don't see Israeli, pro-Israeli marches

1:30:11

going out and, you know, throwing

1:30:13

bunches or saying, we will make

1:30:16

Arab students on this campus feel

1:30:18

unwelcome if they wear a kufia

1:30:20

around their neck, which by the

1:30:22

way, most of these people are

1:30:24

wearing it wrong. Okay.

1:30:27

I'm an old guy when

1:30:29

I, you know, I've lived

1:30:32

in the Muslim world most of my

1:30:34

life. If you're not some old guy

1:30:36

and wearing a suit and shuffling down

1:30:38

the street with a gutra echo, you

1:30:41

know, on your kufia, you're wearing it

1:30:43

militant style. You then what

1:30:45

is the purpose of that? You don't want your

1:30:47

face to be known. You're wrapping

1:30:50

it the way that fatah wrapped it

1:30:52

when they did terrorist attacks. What

1:30:54

is your symbology? If

1:30:57

it was a peaceful march

1:30:59

down Fifth Avenue, all

1:31:01

right, not calling for the genocide

1:31:03

of Jews, right? There

1:31:06

was one yesterday. We don't mean some

1:31:08

of it. We mean all of it.

1:31:12

You're talking about Israel. Yeah. Like,

1:31:15

you don't even know what you're talking about. Here's

1:31:18

what's never going to happen. Like

1:31:20

this, this 80 year old Iraqi

1:31:23

Jewish woman said to me,

1:31:26

you know, you're never getting

1:31:29

Israel. It exists.

1:31:32

You would have to kill 2 million

1:31:34

Palestinians that have lived there

1:31:36

and flourished forever who saved

1:31:38

lives on 10 seven.

1:31:40

The one guy really want to meet is

1:31:43

a pal is an Israeli Arab,

1:31:46

a Palestinian, who is an ambulance

1:31:48

driver who drove back and

1:31:50

forth into the Middle East battles

1:31:52

with a with a Moog and

1:31:54

David ambulance. Right. The

1:31:57

Israelis star and save the lives

1:31:59

of. of dozens of people.

1:32:01

Wow. And his wife was like,

1:32:03

why did you do it? And she goes, it's

1:32:06

my job. It's my country.

1:32:08

Yeah. That's what you should

1:32:11

aspire to be, is

1:32:13

people who live in peaceful coexistence.

1:32:15

I love Jerusalem when I'm there.

1:32:18

They wouldn't let me to the

1:32:20

Dome of the Rock this time. Because you have

1:32:23

to prove to them you're a Muslim. You have

1:32:25

to prove you're a good Muslim. But

1:32:29

you'll see it in one of my previous, one of

1:32:32

my next Black Man Spy episodes. I have a Jerusalem

1:32:34

episode, where the city is

1:32:36

divided into the four sectors, right?

1:32:39

The Muslim sector, the Jewish sector

1:32:42

quarter, they call them the Armenian quarter,

1:32:44

the Christian quarter. But

1:32:46

to walk in the path of Jesus Christ, you

1:32:49

have to enter through the Lion Gate, which

1:32:51

is in the Muslim sector, a Muslim quarter.

1:32:54

And to get to the first five of

1:32:56

the 13 or

1:32:58

many stations of the cross,

1:33:00

where Jesus literally walked with

1:33:02

a 300-pound cross on his

1:33:05

back, which, by

1:33:07

the way, is honored in Islam as

1:33:10

part of the Quran, you've

1:33:13

got to go through all three sectors

1:33:15

of that city. And you

1:33:18

can literally walk

1:33:21

where the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon

1:33:23

him, walk. You can literally walk where

1:33:25

Jesus Christ walked and preached. You can

1:33:28

walk where every

1:33:32

Talmudic scholar since King

1:33:35

Solomon has been. And

1:33:39

I got kids here in the United States

1:33:41

talking about, this is 75 years, and you

1:33:43

don't know anything about it. Well, in fact,

1:33:45

40 of that 75 years,

1:33:50

I've been involved with this in

1:33:53

keeping the peace, not

1:33:55

a colonist. Oh, by the way, you know

1:33:57

who the colonists were? The

1:33:59

G-O-L-E-T-E. Greece, when

1:34:03

they invaded or the Phoenicians or

1:34:05

the Romans, people don't

1:34:07

understand Judea and Samara

1:34:10

existed when the Romans took

1:34:12

it over and made a

1:34:14

Roman province out of it

1:34:16

in 79 AD, and

1:34:20

then wiped out the Jewish resistance

1:34:23

which was sort of like Hamas in 70,

1:34:25

no, no, 67

1:34:28

BC, 76 BC to

1:34:31

79 AD when the first Judean war started,

1:34:33

35 years or 30 some odd

1:34:36

years after Jesus Christ's death. That's

1:34:38

when they, the Romans changed the name to

1:34:40

Philistina. And I explained that,

1:34:42

I explained how the Romans stole

1:34:44

Greek mythology and Yaffa and the

1:34:47

place is old, right? There's

1:34:49

a monument to King Ramesses II

1:34:51

from the Zijous who escaped under

1:34:54

Moses. I'm

1:34:57

gonna have to rewatch your,

1:34:59

that episode of Black

1:35:01

Man Spy and I highly recommend,

1:35:03

I highly advise my

1:35:06

listeners here, check it out because

1:35:09

it's eye-opening. The stuff that I

1:35:11

learned just watching

1:35:13

one episode of Black Man Spy,

1:35:15

I have to rewatch that episode

1:35:17

and then watch the other one

1:35:20

and watch all of the ones

1:35:22

that you have coming out soon.

1:35:25

Before we bounce, I did

1:35:27

want to ask you about

1:35:30

the whole TikTok thing because that's

1:35:32

another area that you kind of

1:35:35

specialize in. So

1:35:37

the president recently signed a

1:35:39

bill that says that TikTok

1:35:41

has to sell, it has

1:35:44

to divest, I guess,

1:35:46

from China in order to continue

1:35:48

operating in the United States. I

1:35:50

personally, you know,

1:35:53

I don't see, personally, I don't see what the big

1:35:55

deal is. I don't have any, you

1:35:58

know, national security secrets. on

1:36:00

my phone and my TikTok.

1:36:02

It's collecting cobwebs anyway. What's

1:36:04

the big threat? Why is

1:36:07

everybody worried about China

1:36:09

and TikTok? There's a

1:36:11

new study. I want to say it's by Rand.

1:36:13

It came out two days ago. And it's about

1:36:15

the influence of TikTok. Go on Twitter and

1:36:17

just put in TikTok study. They

1:36:21

show that someone who

1:36:23

registers as an

1:36:25

American 13-year-old boy. That's

1:36:28

how they did this controlled experiment.

1:36:31

And they mapped everywhere that

1:36:33

the TikTok algorithm brought him, brought

1:36:36

this person, this imaginary person. It

1:36:39

started off with really benign

1:36:42

dog puppy TikToks and

1:36:44

funny stories. And

1:36:49

by the time it speciates,

1:36:51

right, it grows.

1:36:54

The algorithm figures out who

1:36:57

this person is, not what he

1:36:59

likes, but what it's going to

1:37:01

send to him. And

1:37:03

if you look at this chart, there's this little

1:37:05

blue burb there of all these little boxes of

1:37:07

the nice sites that it sends them. And then

1:37:12

85% of that chart, it takes

1:37:14

them to war videos, anti-government

1:37:17

videos. This

1:37:21

is interesting. Holy shit. Pro-Israel

1:37:23

videos, naturally, that you would

1:37:25

stumble across are less than 12%, but

1:37:28

it's like 86% pro-Palestine

1:37:31

anti-Israeli things. The algorithm

1:37:34

was built with

1:37:36

the purpose of collecting, one, billions

1:37:38

of bytes of data of

1:37:41

personal, how

1:37:44

can I put it, of personal profiles

1:37:47

of Westerners. Two,

1:37:50

it feeds in there what

1:37:52

the government of China and

1:37:55

its intelligence agencies want to

1:37:57

do to undermine democracy. And

1:38:00

and he just bring him up and

1:38:02

pushes Trump, left it right. You

1:38:04

know, like an elephant. But here's the

1:38:06

best part. When

1:38:09

there was, here's a little thought experiment

1:38:11

for you. One day I woke up, I have

1:38:13

two TikTok videos up on my TikToks. And

1:38:16

one of them is me going, that

1:38:18

57% of kids under the age of 34 said

1:38:24

that 10-7 was justified

1:38:27

by Hamas. And

1:38:29

I was like, whoa. And I did

1:38:31

a TikTok going, this is like you

1:38:33

supporting Al-Qaeda after 9-11. Yeah.

1:38:36

Then this thing popped up on

1:38:38

TikTok called Letters to America. And

1:38:41

this good looking African-American, all her

1:38:43

makeup, all those, I

1:38:45

don't know if you've seen this, but they've

1:38:48

been keeping this from us. And, you know,

1:38:50

I didn't know this was, she says it's

1:38:52

created an existential crisis in me about what

1:38:54

this, where I am and where I am

1:38:57

in life. And it

1:38:59

watches it. And it's all about Osama

1:39:01

bin Laden's Letter to America, justifying the

1:39:03

mass murder of 3,000 Americans on 9-11.

1:39:07

And within days, there were

1:39:10

thousands of these videos

1:39:12

of people extolling

1:39:15

the virtues of Al-Qaeda.

1:39:18

And, you know, in support of

1:39:20

free Palestine and saying America deserved

1:39:22

what it got on 9-11. I

1:39:26

did a TikTok video that started like this.

1:39:28

Are you out of your minds? See,

1:39:30

right? After

1:39:32

it really went viral and got mentioned

1:39:34

in Congress, the Chinese pulled it all

1:39:37

down. And one day, every

1:39:39

video disappeared because they said we

1:39:41

do not support terrorism, blah, blah,

1:39:43

blah. Wow. The point is they infected

1:39:45

us. It is a

1:39:47

virus deployment system,

1:39:50

almost as bad as the Wuhan

1:39:52

virus, it's COVID. But

1:39:56

the purpose of it is to hack

1:39:58

your mind with whatever the... the central

1:40:00

Communist Party of China wants. It's a

1:40:02

weapon system. So will

1:40:04

the sale of TikTok, excuse

1:40:07

me, to let's say an

1:40:09

American investor or American billionaire or

1:40:12

whatever, will the sale of that

1:40:14

company end

1:40:16

the threat or does TikTok have to

1:40:18

be completely ripped down and decoded

1:40:21

or whatever? China

1:40:24

has already said they will not let us

1:40:26

know what the algorithm is. Now you can

1:40:28

identify the algorithm. What really needs to happen

1:40:31

is good old capitalism, right? Which is the

1:40:33

Chinese are now capitalists, which

1:40:35

is create an alternate to TikTok, but

1:40:37

make sure it has moderation in it,

1:40:39

right? Controls. You know, we have laws

1:40:42

on what can be said on television

1:40:44

and in newspapers, right? Right. Oh,

1:40:47

well, we can throw in some

1:40:49

strict controls about your algorithm cannot

1:40:51

force someone to hunt for thick

1:40:53

or to see things which they

1:40:56

did not themselves hunt for, right?

1:40:59

Like sending you, I mean, look at Elon

1:41:02

Musk had

1:41:04

Dom Luecker, some crazy guy, black

1:41:06

guy, on Twitter who posted child

1:41:08

pornography. Look, because he's a friend

1:41:10

of Elon Musk, all they did was took it down

1:41:13

and didn't ban him, right?

1:41:15

Twitter's just as bad. Twitter's

1:41:17

a right wing extremist weapon

1:41:19

system that's working

1:41:21

against democracy. But

1:41:24

we're used to letting free speech fly, right?

1:41:26

Our freak flag fly for free speech. But

1:41:30

TikTok is in order. I've seen it

1:41:32

now in action. It

1:41:35

is people

1:41:37

justifying 9-11, tens of

1:41:39

thousands of American kids going, well, you

1:41:41

lied to us. Bin Laden was right.

1:41:45

Bin Laden was right. All

1:41:48

right. That's a weapon. It's

1:41:51

a propaganda cruise missile into the mind

1:41:53

of every one of our children. And

1:41:56

we need to moderate what our children watch

1:41:58

anyway. We're awful at that. Malcolm

1:42:01

Nance, I

1:42:04

don't think I know anybody

1:42:06

as learned, as

1:42:08

smart in so many different areas

1:42:10

as you. I can't... Elie

1:42:13

Vistell. What's that? No,

1:42:15

Michael Harriet and Elie Vistell.

1:42:18

Those are two smart brothers.

1:42:22

I know, but I don't know them. I know

1:42:24

you. I know you. Michael

1:42:26

Harriet is amazing. Thank

1:42:29

you so much for sharing your knowledge with

1:42:31

me and with my listeners. I

1:42:33

want to strongly

1:42:35

recommend folks

1:42:38

you check out Black Man Spy.

1:42:40

It's on YouTube. You

1:42:42

can just type in Malcolm Nance or Black

1:42:45

Man Spy. Sir, what

1:42:48

else can people find your knowledge and your...

1:42:53

Yeah. Since I'm not

1:42:55

on MSNBC much anymore, my