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a final moments I'll explain, trying to

0:39

keep their side going forward. Haskell takes

0:41

that all. know it, just relentless, just

0:44

largely about himself. And there's Tyndall.the. finishing

0:46

touch of glad our and World cup

0:48

winning stories and a slightly sideways knows.is

0:50

how your podcast a dominant display by

0:52

the goods the but on the rugby

0:54

red zone on if I said to

0:56

you what is the biggest party and

0:59

rugby review could show me anything other

1:01

than the Hong Kong Sevens other the

1:03

three of us would buy a ticket

1:05

welcomes it as very good about. The

1:07

rug be impartial, not very good friends. A

1:09

couple retires from Hong Kong where this place

1:11

is going off. has contents are alongside on

1:14

all this week show we're going to get

1:16

into the state of the gave a seventh.

1:18

There's a lot of fun to be hard

1:20

but as improvement to has because been here

1:22

for three or four days. How good is

1:24

this? Be one on been able place war

1:26

by every state it needs a sales data

1:29

to album those hours. Dad What? you even

1:31

do Blades boring. Follow on. What have we

1:33

learned in the twelve hours that we paid

1:35

her? Pace yourself because they could. Go anywhere

1:37

and you always don't We had, like

1:39

the boy scouts say, always be prepared.

1:42

always be prepared. The aim of this

1:44

show is to get seven. Guess talking

1:46

about the state of service, but it's

1:48

the Hong Kong Sevens and if it

1:50

goes hello tight, try to show. What?

2:10

Is the more for, like four, am I think it's

2:12

fair to say was a nice, it was one or

2:14

two of us have been well and solely Hong Kong

2:16

H? K. O for one person

2:18

I stared exactly and I see probably

2:20

for one was ever voice in class

2:22

and what a best ever twelve assesses

2:24

any of us have ever had in

2:27

a state of. Be

2:30

as easy as is so uncoordinated well

2:32

as other side landslides. Use a three

2:35

year old I didn't know he was

2:37

no fuck knows though it's also know

2:39

what it was out other adds up

2:42

to this most obvious I was I

2:44

was Julia the Alex Avila volumes Okay

2:46

was I. Know it's left for says

2:48

it will just subtitles. It's edited for the

2:50

process where we're going to take about an

2:53

hour just to have a little look at

2:55

the state of play a sevens whereas in

2:57

our where's it going how could visit in

2:59

his absolute pomp and how good could potentially

3:01

be as well we got an array of

3:03

guess we're going to join us at somebody

3:05

Their view wraps around the greatest party, the

3:08

greatest Sevens event that there is which is

3:10

over here in Hong Kong and it's a

3:12

very will welcome. First. Is the

3:14

shot and secondly to the mountainside at

3:16

the right Robert Vic about who A

3:18

that's not A D one of the

3:20

greats of exists sevens rugby but also

3:22

now part of while drunk or even

3:24

elsewhere that as as a world rugby

3:26

his will boys noize. First and foremost

3:28

this is seven months is as really

3:30

available to buy over Dallas goods and

3:32

is a representation of things most resisted

3:34

such as mayor for the possibly Africa

3:36

the with Double Xl siblings else now

3:39

just six A small for someone to

3:41

be a bizarre with as as small

3:43

as possible. is simply red as not size of

3:45

right as do i go go with that wonderful

3:47

to there's no i've never felt so hundreds rest

3:49

of her one serviceable is my business but also

3:51

that sense to sum up just how much fun

3:53

how much sort of our house if is approaches

3:55

the game was if all of us would agree

3:57

that we need to see more of us can

3:59

we What is your official job type

4:01

at World Rugby? My official job type, Alex,

4:03

is teams, markets and commercial operations. Which

4:06

is essentially a way of trying to get opportunities

4:08

for players, unions and teams in

4:11

a way that perhaps World Rugby haven't done before. So

4:13

how can we use the backroom of World Rugby to

4:15

support the teams and unions to grow, to be more

4:17

commercial and more sustainable. That's the pitch,

4:19

that's the message in, because as you can see,

4:22

this is an absolutely wonderful product when it's done right. And

4:24

what people will see as the show develops is the sales

4:26

stand in particular behind us, begin to fill, and there will

4:29

be a lot of noise from there later on today. Lots

4:31

of corporate activity as well, it's a very, very good day

4:34

out. But what I want to start with with you is,

4:36

as someone who had 10 years

4:38

on the circuit, if not longer,

4:41

where is Severns right now and

4:44

where is it going relative to what you knew as a

4:46

player? Yeah, it's a great question. And actually I wind it

4:48

back a little bit, because in 2009 it

4:50

was officially introduced as an Olympic sport. I was

4:53

still playing for England then and that changed the

4:55

conversation for what Severns could be. The

4:57

caveat for them was as it progressed,

4:59

it hit a 2016 in Rio where

5:01

the world saw Severns. They saw the

5:03

Fiji story, Adn which

5:06

was amazing, but it was a hit out, we didn't know what it was going to be

5:08

like. Four years further on from that,

5:11

it was then the pandemic in Tokyo. It was lucky

5:13

enough to be there, commentating in an empty stadium. The

5:16

Severns still stacked up, but the experience of the event,

5:18

it wasn't there. However, now where we're

5:20

going, with a bit of a change of at

5:22

World Rugby, now taking in ownership of events, apart

5:24

from three of their incumbents that are still being ran, as

5:27

with this one, we're going

5:29

to a market that gets rugby, that loves rugby. The

5:32

French are going to adopt it, it's going to

5:34

be Antoine du Pont show and preceding it, rightly

5:36

so, because it's the poster boy of the game,

5:39

and it's going to be supersonic. That's

5:41

going to be the true realisation for where Severns

5:43

can go on a wonderful occasion

5:45

in Paris. At the end of July,

5:48

six days or seven days because they're breaking it up for

5:50

the opening ceremony, the first medal that will

5:52

be produced, the Olympic Games, will be a

5:54

Rugby Severns medal. It's going to be sold out at the

5:56

Stade de France. That is pretty exciting. Unbelievable.

6:00

Van Thorne will get the medal this time that obviously he didn't get

6:02

at the Rugby World Cup at the tail

6:04

end of last year. The

6:06

vision for 7th inning, are you seeing it as

6:08

a sport in which

6:10

players can go between the two like a

6:12

DuPont and a Michael Hooper or are you

6:14

seeing a separate entity which grows its own

6:17

stars? It's a slightly different sort of tournament

6:19

calendar formula, etc. What is the what is

6:21

gonna be the relationship between 15s and 7s?

6:23

I've got is actually questions not used to

6:25

as that was a fantastic Well

6:28

put question. It's a really relevant one because again

6:30

back in 2009 when Olympics was announced You're

6:33

like, okay, what do we do? We

6:35

need to create programs and pathways to ring fence

6:37

our talent to load so we can grow that

6:39

Olympic pathway So it became

6:41

full-time many teams you're now seeing here of full-time

6:43

sevens players That was a dial change but it

6:45

also meant that the players who were flip-flopping between

6:47

15s and 7s had a bit of a decision

6:50

to make and at the time if you're 18 19 20 You

6:53

have the ability to travel the world

6:55

to hit then ten iconic cities now

6:57

eight with Commonwealth Games Olympic

6:59

pathways and a wonderful experience in life

7:03

Do you want to do that or do you want to

7:05

go down a 15s route which we're all contest is quite

7:07

more attritional It's pretty full on and

7:09

it's different. It's a different option and pathway So

7:12

that's why it changed a little bit in terms of the

7:14

grand plan for where it could go It's balancing the boat

7:16

because as you can see when you get an event, right?

7:19

When you market it properly, there was nothing

7:21

like this But

7:24

my worry about it though is you

7:27

need that crossover The biggest

7:29

thing that's happened to seven is Anton de Pongo you're

7:31

playing seven. Yeah Because this is

7:33

huge in in the 15 So you

7:35

need to have that crossover even going

7:37

back to when Ollie you played Ollie

7:39

Phillips played Dan Norton played You know

7:41

is GB is GB the right thing

7:43

to have or should we have

7:45

an England Wales, Scotland? Should

7:47

we have that I saw this I used

7:50

to love watching those guys Why

8:00

would this song go into a common column

8:02

play? Common? Common, no-boo play. But

8:05

you need to cross over a player.

8:08

My worry is if it suddenly

8:11

turns into completely solely sevens, has

8:13

it got the market? Obviously the

8:16

day out is fantastic, everyone knows it.

8:19

And why it's unique is, probably as

8:21

a rugby, if you come into an international work

8:23

in the corporate space that I work, people

8:26

come in and three hours, they just go absolutely

8:28

nuts and they leave. But here there's a nice

8:30

flow about it. Obviously we spent an all

8:32

day yesterday walking around seeing the sponsors,

8:34

moving around, and there's a whole day

8:36

where you can actually get work. If

8:39

you are to do it as a corporate gig,

8:41

you can get work done here because you've got

8:43

the whole day here, you don't have to go

8:45

mental. Twicking them now, I

8:47

reckon 50% of the people who go won't remember

8:49

them. But remember the game, you know what I

8:51

mean? Whereas here's a bit differently, obviously South stand

8:54

maybe unique in its own right. That's

8:56

my worry is, I think you need

8:59

that crossover to not just

9:01

have sevens, you need to be the whole rugby to turn the

9:03

in. They all know what you'll get

9:05

as a day out, but the product's always there. Can

9:07

I just comment on that? Because that's a really relevant

9:09

point. We obviously want DuPont to be playing, because it's

9:11

the marquee name, and it's wonderful at sevens. Sonny Bill

9:13

Williams, Rio did the same. Brian Abana had a crack,

9:16

couldn't make it. These are freakish athletes. So we're not

9:18

just going to cherry pick the best rugby players,

9:20

but what I'll do is flip it and say, how

9:22

do we get to the point where they want to

9:24

compete in Olympic games? And that's probably a little bit

9:26

of a financial thing as well. But the IPL works

9:29

because they're the best cricket players on the

9:31

planet as a whole that go

9:34

and entertain. They're also paid, astonishingly well. Liv,

9:36

similar concept. You're getting these conversations because it's

9:38

a financial transaction. So we need to grow

9:40

that, which is why it needs

9:43

to be a commercial product and grown as

9:45

a commercial product. Which is exactly the question

9:47

I was going to ask. If you were

9:49

trying to find three ingredients to get sevens

9:51

to explode, money has to be in

9:53

there. What are The two, would you put

9:55

in? With Three, we try and use Sevens to talk about,

9:57

is about informing the casual viewer. How Do you get them

10:00

to... they got a. Group. Is a pretty

10:02

cool. Score is simplistic in the fact

10:04

that seven rather than sustains outflows A

10:06

slightly easier to understand that. once said

10:08

that easy to understand the easier as

10:10

the engagement with you See the here

10:12

don't just make it. Probably goes with

10:14

send the citizens of that's a sevens

10:16

rupees. Was just the tapes by So

10:18

She Mercy This is food, beverages Music

10:20

is a really good Cj the to

10:22

plan on having. I would have not

10:24

yet. I sat and then he said

10:26

how in as about for that said

10:28

he didn't to make the whole thing

10:30

sing so. Immersive. It's gotta be

10:32

informative of engage in the ultimate it needs to

10:34

be financial and that's why the changes happen. Can

10:37

I ask you a question about. Being.

10:40

Here it's absolutely sensational but as a

10:42

viewer on television it's the biggest. It's

10:44

to his not three days. the peaks

10:46

and troughs are very very different to

10:48

eighty minutes to six nice his rugby

10:50

where you read you get rides of

10:52

censor their and then you're also the

10:54

buckets How our biggest challenge is in

10:56

some make the products. Box

10:58

office with some of this is very good.

11:00

Point. Though

11:02

is else is that Know

11:04

who the other prolongs. Milan

11:07

of life sciences and the opposite

11:09

of Butter Dame is as if

11:11

it's just flies the so there

11:14

is a lot and say been

11:16

around for gloves to carries a

11:18

big moments thirty and we what's

11:20

inside versus I'm South As of

11:22

those who does the sponsor ruff

11:24

noisy poses a threat was and

11:26

I seventy. Seven

11:28

is always gone on. A little bit of I

11:30

wrote: this is the part where you'll. Always remember

11:33

I used to love watching the

11:35

skills that Isis deadly bugs a

11:37

the players though ambleside them lie

11:39

whether it be it's nice to

11:41

receive this easily seven the skill

11:43

sets and everything else. that is

11:45

the commercialization of how he actually

11:47

maximize what we do and have

11:49

a plan or benefit. Of

11:53

the biggest question for Romney has

11:55

you Do you do that consistently?

11:59

Sense. I'd like.

12:01

I quite like the idea

12:03

that the same sissies Isis

12:05

to Seven Seven Sisters so

12:08

fussy. yeah with some real.

12:11

Pleasure Silver for so long without the

12:13

bastille? My go away. Bill

12:16

as the most muslim or the

12:19

without said we got directories that

12:21

he brings more fun for says

12:24

so what does exist. As

12:26

he was holding sims buffalo it was was of

12:28

the buses i we talked about it was a

12:31

good to solo bollywood it to the so real

12:33

real value him so he always. Are

12:35

you cause goes to because those exposed

12:38

of of like no others others of

12:40

of is a lot of blaze with

12:42

it hides distances it's all possible had

12:44

a decision on the won awards at

12:46

these bloody providers have to get away

12:48

with it is as as you don't

12:50

oppose was like developers have such as

12:52

soon as well developed says that oversee

12:54

what is a bit so came to

12:57

visit to set the sources of these

12:59

are these could have real athlete players

13:01

which one was was a sport as

13:03

soon as it really settlers of it.

13:05

Was. It was hard to see real value

13:07

at We do get these players to about

13:09

was of or was gap it will exposure

13:11

obviously this is much harder than supply now

13:13

because sports science behind abby not other but

13:15

the fitness levels requirements so different when I

13:17

when when I did it and I just

13:20

think the coaches what most years we should

13:22

see young players such a young players have

13:24

you know see your calories with i love

13:26

i put into sevens i see it was

13:28

has should look at his law offices detested

13:30

long as you can I ask you three

13:32

sort of funky but of women suffered as

13:34

it seems he be. For England,

13:36

Scotland, Wales, how important is that

13:38

have a strong presence in the

13:41

Uk. And on on for the

13:43

success of a of seven Edison.

13:45

Given the commercial home the numbers

13:48

the I Don't. Like

13:51

it. It's about hockey. Cg Bay has a real value

13:53

bussiness and I have what you would a severe this

13:55

is he replied By the way to hear the noise

13:57

of over same Canada are not as good as it

13:59

out. Why would a place where you

14:01

know the English compensation used to be

14:03

shrunk to be equal is accepted? This is

14:06

also former West and Sixty Six while saves

14:08

the Zebra model fitted with as well. As

14:11

a lot of opinion on it rightly so

14:13

Excited for very patriotic nations are emerging before

14:15

the months they become. Work A will work.

14:17

We just need to understand how this commercial

14:19

fucking to fly for a. Second

14:22

question is that you made a very good

14:24

point which is and I love it which

14:26

is seven that he is a product that

14:28

is focusing on the inside experience possible which

14:30

is what makes this sort of Saudi rather

14:33

than the eyeballs on television and the and

14:35

that is probably one of the chances. what

14:37

is the best potential television seventh product or

14:39

because I think of the prem seven as

14:41

was which was four teams every Friday night

14:43

the winter when fruitful final and have a

14:46

three hours of the great pride in our

14:48

out. That that seems

14:50

to be a more digestible. And

14:52

see to get into the viewer on services than

14:54

the three days that you and I used to

14:57

the Sky season when I'm hungry. heat and humidity

14:59

Savages so we thought that discusses if I could

15:01

say to see I probably they were brutal Brutal

15:03

good. A was versatile big to uproot so the

15:06

Prem sevens it was a great former. it was

15:08

back to back games. we had a three minute

15:10

right right in between games here you would not

15:12

be able to do that second play well supported.

15:14

it has to be seconds without as well or

15:17

the sound the question and I think that's going

15:19

to further questions at a moment. The biggest broadcasting.

15:22

Joy to have! A the gold.

15:24

Now with the show the big rise and

15:26

slightly so resistance is it could still be

15:28

an immersive experience but I just hit the

15:30

big games. the quarter finals, semi finals of

15:32

foreigners here ah electric this amazing that's probably

15:35

the best brought us to bit but still

15:37

to be to be songs and said last

15:39

question just under so sort of his shirt

15:41

on settlements in itself how excited I you

15:43

about where sevens will be and you put

15:45

aside from one of twelve months forty four

15:48

month, thirty six months where is this for

15:50

going to get back to if what you're

15:52

talking about censoring. them look it up to

15:54

begin to be worth of the olympics in paris says

15:56

seven days of sodom and before that be ceremony for

15:59

me that will be the most seismic

16:01

moment for sevensport because it's going

16:03

to show this concept, this product to the wider world,

16:05

2.3 billion people watch the Olympics.

16:07

This is great, but it's not the same level,

16:09

it's not the same stage. Three

16:12

weeks, four weeks after that, when my come

16:14

down is finally levelling off, that's where I

16:16

think I'll be really reflective on what's just

16:18

happened. That's probably going to be

16:20

12 months, maybe even two years in the

16:22

building process. We're saying three years as a

16:24

sevens entity to really grow this product and

16:26

concept. We're at end of year one

16:28

coming up to it with some massive moments. So for

16:31

me, it's not a short term win, it's a

16:33

longer term focus. But as you can see, there's

16:35

so much about this wonderful sport that gets me

16:37

excited. So much. Good man. Keep

16:40

fighting the good fight. It's really good to hear of

16:42

some positivity. We love positivity on this show. We love

16:44

everybody's timbati. We love everybody's timbati. We love everybody's timbati.

16:46

It's a rare thing. He actually means to be positivity.

16:48

I know. Well

16:51

done, we will do. Thank you very much. Rob, we're going to

16:53

pop you out. And as you say goodbye to the great Rob

16:55

Vikerman, we're going to bring in, I hope you won't look great.

16:57

He's the great DJ Forbes, who

16:59

is one of the all time

17:01

greats of this sport and is also I mean, we've gone

17:04

from the incredible shirts, the incredible sunglasses. I mean, it is

17:06

all absolute show here in Hong Kong. He's

17:09

still on the front. Still on

17:11

the front. He's one of the biggest names that this sport

17:13

has ever had. First things first, how are you after

17:16

three, four days in Hong Kong? We've got what's left

17:18

of James Haskell. Tim's only had 12 hours to fill

17:20

in stuff. You look well, you look healthy and you're

17:22

wearing a big old smile. How do you found it?

17:25

Not my first radio. So I'll be walking in the

17:27

shadow of James lately. So I think

17:29

he's doing it for all of us. So I can't

17:31

complain. I mean, I'm always grateful to be brought back.

17:35

I think I'm around about maybe 15 or 16 years in

17:37

Hong Kong. I

17:39

live in as a player and then the last

17:41

one of four or five years as our ambassador.

17:43

So yeah, great opportunity. So I'm pretty

17:46

excited to be here for particularly the last one. Good.

17:49

You Did almost 90 tournaments, which is a lot of work

17:51

to get through. Commonwealth Gold medalist, obviously captain, the All Black

17:53

Sermons as well. And We talk about one of the biggest

17:55

names in this sport. But When you, I mean, you touched

17:57

on it already, but what is it about Hong Kong? Com

18:00

the when it goes into Canada you ring and

18:02

read you say. Gonna be good week. You

18:04

as a whole lot of us are real Plane

18:07

I mean on com was like the World Cup

18:09

of the second aura that the stadium create some

18:11

in reading ah that sonos you know it's and

18:13

as tickets on I'm sorry. I'm simply

18:15

was one of those spots of them will

18:17

have a bias. I'm going to say one

18:20

is a must you know next a line

18:22

on but sunsets to make a handsome tournament.

18:24

I'm as I haven't personally one one arm

18:26

stiffly guys in Milan. the memories while I

18:29

offer the second order would you make of

18:31

misleading? So he was all about the subject

18:33

re the overall day. what's your medicals? The

18:36

judges seven has been on over the last.

18:38

less qualified yes ah I think it's move

18:40

leaps and bounds, not as in the men's

18:42

game on be across the board five mins.

18:45

A woman's. Some. Of the

18:47

still in Southern on so from the woman's games

18:49

as sort of trailblazer will not us young. Boys

18:52

and girls the I wanted to play Simmons by

18:54

thing for the means. I'm in these other units

18:56

now like the most successful plus on the case

18:58

and they can move on. But the decision? A

19:00

sustained superstars like you for coming back into the

19:02

fold and. On this an element of

19:05

us. The. Concept and the defense said

19:07

in a studio and Ford Saudis you know

19:09

how little place here on decisive us feel

19:11

so even as a good mix know in

19:13

a some olympic sports i safely spectacle parents

19:15

are what's we were just saying before I

19:17

do feel that. They

19:19

still need to be tested sevens and

19:21

six a series of that who pets

19:24

of like deposed I had just moved

19:26

to so that the good old days

19:28

and some observers said you feel it

19:30

has to have the connectivity by school

19:32

is also the role in itself as

19:34

just says he said in. An elite

19:36

the in as sensitive as. There

19:39

was a little bit of buy something and some countries

19:41

you'll be able to get away with them and other

19:43

countries are going to put all the eggs in one

19:46

basket. An Abyss Selena Olympic Sports. i think

19:48

this so opportunities for it as a pathway

19:50

some of the skills you learn on a

19:52

seven seals in at your forward with of

19:54

these parents and is gonna sit shop for

19:56

a pretty good place when you go back

19:58

see of these campaigns Ultimately,

20:01

the fitness space you need to run around on a

20:03

sevens field is another level. But

20:06

like I say, I did, I

20:08

think maybe six years of both sevens campaigns, straight into

20:10

a 15s campaigns. And besides, I guess the size difference

20:12

and a little bit of weight you sort of need

20:14

to put on and cut off, definitely

20:16

a lot of value playing both. Which

20:19

is a really interesting question. I want to get into that a

20:21

little bit more. The physical demands of flicking between the two for

20:23

someone like DuPont, what will he have had to have physically

20:26

done going from Toulouse and France

20:29

into the French sevens? Is it just endless cardio?

20:31

If you've got to lose weight, what have you

20:33

got to do physically to be able to compete

20:35

in this? Probably not so much losing

20:38

weight and whatnot, as long as you can do

20:40

what's required. Yeah, and so I know depending

20:42

on the type of program that they run,

20:44

it'll be more just trying to get used

20:47

to the amount of kays you'll do in

20:49

a working week. And 15's

20:51

a lot different, you're sort of building it

20:53

and tapering for a Saturday, whereas here, obviously,

20:55

they'll want to see that he can

20:57

bank the kays and ensure that he can go

20:59

the distance. And then obviously, trying to make sure that

21:01

come tournament time, especially somewhere like

21:03

Hong Kong, obviously he's not here, but a three-day

21:06

tournament, you can't do 80 minutes and turn

21:08

off, you've got to get up and down, up and down,

21:10

so there's a mental aspect to you and everything like that.

21:12

You got your auto-tot We

21:15

used to do this England fitness test, the Down and Up test, and

21:18

it was brutal as it was. But if you wanted to

21:20

be a seven, you had to do it twice. You

21:23

had to do it back to back. It's

21:25

just carnage. Dan Norton

21:27

was supposed to Dan Norton that night. His

21:30

repeatability, the ability to be able to just

21:33

sprint for him, sprint 100, and go again. And

21:36

that was all he used to do, is they repeat 100s, 15, 20,

21:41

which he's a tiny

21:43

horrendous thinking man, and they're trying it. He

21:45

obviously came out of the Gordon Fitchin School

21:48

of kind of a seven coach. Something like that.

21:50

Which was, at the time, probably the hardest program

21:54

was there, but you guys used to win everything because what

21:56

I believed was the fitness and the demands on you

21:58

were like no other. Was it

22:00

as crazy as people say it was? Yeah, I'm

22:03

probably paying the price now with my knees and

22:05

everything else. It's 24, you know? But

22:07

it's not paper rasped. Yeah, so, I mean,

22:09

yeah, there's definitely attributes that I have now

22:11

because of what he sort of put us

22:13

through. In terms of, yeah, baseline fitness and

22:15

things like that, the expectation was another level.

22:18

And yeah, we did. We beat teams

22:20

and we hung in games because we were simply fitted

22:22

in a lot of teams. And I guess that was,

22:24

you know, we're touching on that sort of transition as

22:26

the game morphed into a lot more skill and strategy

22:28

and everything else. There was still an element

22:30

of trying to be the fittest team but also needing all

22:32

the skill sets to, I guess, navigate

22:35

and evolve with what's sort of been played out there

22:37

now that we see. Is there anything that sticks in

22:39

your mind in terms of the session that you remember

22:41

being the worst out of all of? Because

22:44

I don't think people at home necessarily, when you

22:46

talk about the fitness test, all this kind of

22:48

stuff, the level of running and the stuff you

22:50

have to do is mind-blowing. Is there anything

22:52

that really sticks in your mind about what you did? I

22:55

mean, a socks-and-desision back when he was

22:57

running, we weren't centralized. So we'll drive

22:59

in from our wherever. So the Auckland

23:01

boys will sit three hours in a van, keep up in a

23:03

van, we'll get out, we'll sort of do the

23:05

highs and welcomes and, you know, get allocated your

23:07

hotel room. And within about an hour and a

23:09

half, we'll go straight to the hall to do the beat

23:12

test. And then, in such as eyes, sort

23:14

of like anything, 14 plus was expected in a beat test.

23:16

You do the beat test and you think, oh, yeah, it's good. You know, I've done

23:18

my bit. And you would have a recovery, which

23:20

was lunch, and then we'd be back into a phosphate

23:23

test, which is about the repeated speed. So

23:25

that's the 10, 40-meter sprints. I

23:27

guess it's those old days when I guess some of

23:29

us, the Ireland boys, I think we'll try and check

23:31

the system and do one or two really fast ones.

23:34

It includes it into a couple at the end. But,

23:36

you know, it's obviously came to us pretty quickly around

23:38

the steps, saying, I want to see you guys as

23:40

fast as you can from the start and trying to

23:42

minimize it. You should be dropping off. I always love

23:45

you to love that about fitness tests. The guy who

23:47

would always be best at the last one. Salih comes

23:49

from nowhere. He's really the back of the way. And

23:51

then Salih, oh, you're fine now. Go

23:53

hard. You should always be dropping off. Can I,

23:55

I mean, Gordon Titchin's reputation is

23:58

extraordinary for those of us who have fallen. the

24:00

sport but only know him as the legend.

24:03

As someone who's worked under him, what are your

24:05

levels of respect, affection, sort of

24:07

gratitude for what he put in place in your team? I mean,

24:10

I still sort of run around in a different

24:12

sense now and people sort of see me as

24:14

very fit and

24:16

that's purely because of what I did. Are you

24:18

boxing now? Are you still seeing the boxing? Oh, that was a one

24:21

off. Yeah, I'm not going to cross it right now, but I mean,

24:23

I guess people see me running around and the only reason

24:25

I'm still running around is basically I've got the thing ingrained

24:27

in me now that when you're sort of pushing yourself, you're

24:30

not really half-arsing or anything like that. You really

24:32

want to go to the red and stay

24:34

in the red as long as you can and then I only

24:36

kind of get my fulfillment when I've sort of gone to that

24:38

sort of barrier, which is probably detrimental

24:40

because I'm 42 now and sort of feeling all

24:42

the effects, but I can't just go out for

24:44

a nice leisurely bike ride or a walk around

24:46

the mountain and stuff. I need to be operating

24:48

in the red to get that sort of satisfaction

24:50

that I'll be so used to. And you thank

24:53

him for that. Oh yeah, I don't know. Can

24:55

I thank him for that? I'm grateful. You

24:57

obviously get you to coaching yourself as well. Is

25:00

he some, when you coach yourself, is he someone

25:02

that you would follow or has anyone else really

25:05

particularly helped you shape the way you're going to

25:07

coach Evans? I think there'll be certain elements if

25:09

I'm going to be sort of coaching

25:11

Evans, definitely some of

25:13

the methods, there's still a

25:15

place for just old school fitness. And I think there

25:17

is that sort of, a lot of the generation

25:19

has sort of gone to the other side of the line. And I think

25:22

for me personally, I would still be expecting a certain

25:24

standard, but then there's obviously

25:27

I was under Tano Umanger one stage, Eric Rush, you

25:29

know, when I was playing sevens, even Joe Smith when

25:31

I was playing in development. So I've had some great

25:33

coaches that I'll hopefully use to apply

25:35

my own philosophies. Amazing. Can I

25:37

ask you a question around superstars in the game? And in some

25:40

way, I mean, it's lovely to have you on the show, in

25:42

some ways having you on the match program

25:44

is a testament to all that you've achieved. But

25:46

as the sport looks to break into new audiences,

25:48

et cetera, who is the

25:50

biggest star in sevens right now? And

25:55

in some ways, the pause might answer the question. Yeah,

25:57

yeah. I mean, it's crazy that... The

26:00

amount of talent, you know, hand on heart, it's unbelievable.

26:03

And yeah, I guess if

26:05

you sort of look back to when we were running

26:07

around, there were a couple rock stars that were immediately

26:09

identified and people sort of knew, yeah, Mr. Simmons, Mr.

26:11

Simmons, and all this kind of jazz, whereas right now,

26:13

I think, and it's not taking anything

26:15

away from what you see out there, but

26:18

just the amount of athletes, you know, unbelievable

26:20

talent running across. Do you think the sport

26:22

needs its rush and its serevi and its

26:24

DJ form? Does it need stars who are

26:26

totally identifiable within sevens relative

26:28

to an Antoine DuPont coming over and

26:31

making noise as the biggest star

26:33

in 15, living across? Yeah, well, I

26:35

think, naturally, there's, you know, a lot of, you know, seven

26:37

stars that, you know, kids will look up to, and I

26:39

think that does help grow the game and it does give

26:41

all these sort of young boys and girls something to sort

26:43

of aspire to. So they play the best of part, but

26:45

I think the game in itself is probably, you know, what

26:47

everyone loves to see and they want to, you know, get

26:49

them out of the action and give it a go. I'm

26:52

just thinking back to when the sevens, you remember William Ryder for

26:54

the DJ, but

26:57

these are the old tape of England

26:59

guys. I still, whatever

27:01

sport you need, instantly recognisable

27:04

names. And that comes through the

27:06

marketing of it, or... What would be

27:08

the answer to how you built them?

27:10

I would, I obviously never, I didn't

27:12

really ever place them as a sort

27:14

of missed that boat. Pass in. You

27:16

get hooked into those players, you know,

27:18

there's always the stories around Carlin Isle,

27:20

how fast was he, then you go

27:23

back to when I grew up, you know,

27:25

watching Loma, watching Colin. You need

27:27

those instantly recognisable names. Like

27:30

we always talk about in 15s, you need

27:32

people who carry the sport. And

27:34

at the moment, we have the same problems in

27:36

15s. We've got Japon, well,

27:39

you've got quite a lot of French guys, but

27:41

you don't have any more than I've seen before.

27:43

You don't have Dan Carter, you

27:46

know. But

27:48

you need those names. Now, how do we do

27:50

a better job of elevating those names? Because

27:52

people pick up on that. Kids pick up on that.

27:55

And that's what we have to sell. Can

27:57

I ask you about the Olympics? Expectations.

28:00

for Paris, who are the favourites, what are

28:02

you most excited about? Will sevens reach a

28:04

new level? I

28:06

think it'll definitely reach a new level. There may be

28:08

some surprises, you know, I guess when

28:11

you look at a series leading into an

28:14

Olympics, the teams that are

28:16

consistently good are the ones that are going to have

28:18

a lot of expectation on their shoulders. So even a

28:20

team like Ireland, for example, you know, consistently be good

28:22

this whole season, there'll be a

28:25

lot of expectation on them, France, at home. Obviously the

28:27

Kiwis haven't done too well, but in terms of, I

28:29

guess, you know, where you want to be, you want

28:31

to peak at the right time. So these teams that

28:33

have done extremely well this series so

28:35

far, we haven't, but you

28:37

know, today, the last couple of days, the team's

28:39

sort of looking on the up again, Australia. So

28:42

yeah, I think, you know, there will be some

28:44

surprises, but it's going to be an awesome spectacle. And

28:46

you know, hopefully, I'm again, I'm biased. I'm hoping that

28:48

the boys peak at the right time. Yeah, I think

28:50

everybody who is watching this and perhaps doesn't watch a

28:52

lot of sevens will find themselves watching the Olympics. And

28:54

that is what sevens can do and the way that

28:56

it can hook you in. The last question I wanted

28:58

to ask you about we talk about defining images here

29:00

and England fans will remember winning I think 2004 they

29:03

won it here. But a lot of people remember your

29:06

hacker in the rain in 2011. Is

29:08

that blown up in a sort of 20 foot poster

29:11

at home above the bed? Is that one of the

29:13

sort of great your great? Photoshop. I mean, was that

29:15

victory for you? I mean, you won it three times

29:21

but are those the days that you remember

29:23

now from a glorious career? Yeah, I mean, yeah, they

29:27

they were viral, you know, so there was probably not so much,

29:29

you know, was us sort of doing our job and it was

29:31

always awesome to a hacker, you know that you're, you know, you've

29:33

succeeded and you've, you know, got the job done.

29:37

But I guess, yeah, for that kind of iconic moment,

29:39

I definitely hold a you know, special place in my

29:41

heart. I know there is some rooms in some corporate

29:43

areas that I've gone into and there have there has

29:45

been murals on the wall and whatnot. But I

29:47

guess if you were single, it'd definitely be a

29:49

Tinder profile. It'll be on every last. Yeah,

29:53

amazing. But definitely grateful for those memories. And I mean,

29:56

you know, and those are just one of many

29:58

but and always. Right now stories

30:00

you know there's a lot more that when and so

30:02

that and Joseph. I. Guess a little bit of

30:05

a downer. we are stuck in a cubicle. i'm gonna

30:07

do Drugs is that same evening a wide as he

30:09

was accelerating. In. Either was gridlock here because

30:11

a black rain in Hong Kong saw couldn't get out

30:13

of the stadium. Science of me a little while to

30:15

celebrate the victory. Been up there in the as good

30:17

on it's really nice to have you had cited some

30:19

us or don't have a such as enjoy the rest

30:21

of the weekends easier Top Man and will it's would

30:23

catch up another I didn't you thank you very much

30:25

to do so from Cj Forbes, one of the old

30:27

timers stars of the seventh game so said a campaign.

30:30

He was. Never drive

30:32

rather they all times cause of all day

30:34

a gentle hills don't study was the most

30:36

recognizable names from odessa you avoid and I

30:38

played his i know your worth of another

30:40

Geico. I cried in ninety one or it was

30:42

it. Off and eighty nine. But a crime I

30:44

do. I don't know who's gonna play volley naughty

30:46

once other. I are those are those of us.

30:48

As he says, when. I

30:52

think we've We've seen each other through both sides of

30:54

the exit for come up a couple as as well

30:56

as not that playoffs since I've got a couple. Did

30:58

you ever vehicle bills? Best Bits: Did you ever get

31:00

a copy that The Great Build A Cloud I've ever

31:03

had? Yes yes I used you are listed across that

31:05

but above also straight as and I think into sevens

31:07

as well as. How

31:09

are you festival have. A small com free to

31:11

do it says it's receive a back. On

31:15

topic was a coven all that so I think

31:17

I apply to twelve times, right? and that I've

31:19

paid back and forth thoughts on the other. Lucas

31:22

described because get the same so the

31:24

all players a specific about them how

31:26

they get the opportunity to say people

31:28

that the nazis and ah that's what

31:30

part of what the Seven Zola about.

31:33

The. Result really pleased that we got you on his

31:35

with we spent a bit of sorts of he will

31:37

become of were rugged siege about west seventies now but

31:39

one of these of up to get it's with you

31:42

is how good was it. When. You

31:44

played here at it was of the an

31:46

amateur sports is jeffrey to twelve tournament spots.

31:48

Were talking about Lomu and Colonists ready and.

31:51

Some. Of the opposite of all time greats

31:53

the seventh you to go up against us

31:55

is about your experiences. Here's the play. Oh

31:57

this is our our present Joseph defined same

31:59

on now. Wednesday night. And

32:02

I got up and also guys my first or

32:04

was eighty three. He arrived on Wednesday night. The

32:07

guys when efforts to be his. First.

32:09

I'm only be time for now. Had

32:11

lunch when shopping Friday trying. For now

32:14

they're shopping. And when

32:16

chemical suits and what might he might said

32:18

I sunday. When. Monday

32:21

Shopping a home. Those. It was

32:23

only tournament we have applied sevens here

32:25

and it's the reason besides A because

32:27

they're all test players. you had been

32:29

closed on baptismal font yeah Jai Jeffries

32:31

use the computer present Will Rugby Johnson,

32:33

Diabetes and everyone he a dude with

32:35

I work for where we saw we

32:38

to sit with the supporters in the

32:40

grind set off the game maternity We

32:42

sat down and the supporters up with

32:44

us in our now it's more. If

32:47

you want is more bad defense instead of. Flag.

32:49

Attack Guys find things like

32:52

Raby. Or. May not find cerebral. I had

32:54

no idea what he's gonna does. He had no idea.

32:56

Radar. But. That's what the people wanna. We'll.

32:58

We'll have a nice day here on their

33:00

way to Australia and forty per se va

33:03

boss who says I am I and I

33:05

impose my room and I am I was

33:07

awesome sea sick the know I will meet

33:09

at out of the some hostages of yard

33:11

sale of wait no be on what are

33:13

your expectations the next year and the line

33:16

given were Australia all right now. Ah,

33:18

Look. I think will do pretty

33:20

well because you put aside plays who been there

33:23

for complete. Service.

33:25

Without the going to supplies are we

33:27

just gotta give a flying skills and

33:29

play. with a really good individual

33:31

schools the up but sometimes I forget. That

33:34

way to hold same debate. One play that's

33:37

a job possible and of them sinister have

33:39

been cancelled in the fire right outside time

33:41

I don't wanna. do

33:43

something the oil no matter the the reject

33:45

fodder for junior world cup la c or

33:47

did all my upside of rugby hotels all

33:50

in europe for on south africa south and

33:52

you say on nothing in the rye rye

33:54

dot it's on the read me when it's

33:56

dry loses a really is i now getting

33:58

married last one hundred percent Can't

34:01

do anything. Why? Because I tell

34:03

them what the truth is. Right. And

34:05

the problem in Australia now, rugby

34:07

supporters, we've got no say. This

34:09

year's 40 years of the rugby grand slam, last

34:12

time we won, 1984. No one knows. No

34:16

one knows what's happening.

34:18

Yeah. Which is really sad. So we've

34:20

lost our culture and our history. Right.

34:22

We've gone through coaching, we've had Eddie,

34:24

now we've got another New Zealander. So

34:27

what about having Australian coaches who understand the Australian style? So

34:29

who would you have got? I mean, Joe Schmidt's a hell

34:31

of a coach. I mean, there's obviously a lot to do.

34:33

But it's another New Zealander. We're not New Zealanders. No, sure.

34:35

We're Australians. Yeah. New Zealander will never get an Australian coach.

34:37

No. No. So who would you expect?

34:39

Well, actually, believe it or not, I said

34:41

to Bill Warr, I said, mate,

34:43

give me the back line for 12 months. Right.

34:45

Bring in Laurie Fisher, bring in a couple of

34:47

other players. I'll tell you, at least from the

34:50

other town we're attacking the tack,

34:56

the game is about defence. They spend all

34:58

their time on defence. And

35:00

if you watch last year's World Cup, our fullback,

35:02

Callaway, we've got really good individuals. Very good individuals.

35:04

But the problem is we haven't got centres to

35:06

give the ball to the wingers. Yeah. And when

35:08

they get it, they want to be ten guys.

35:10

Everyone sticks a winger at a centre. Exactly. So

35:13

it's about trying to... And centres are like the hardest

35:15

place on the planet. But

35:18

the problem is in Australia, we've got four football

35:20

codes. Yeah. Rugby

35:23

league's dominating. Aussie rules got all the money. And

35:26

we're not winning. If you don't win in

35:28

Australia, you're in big trouble.

35:30

And we won. When we played, we

35:32

entertained. Yeah. That's why

35:34

rugby became so passionate

35:36

because we will win in, we style.

35:39

Now, it's... We've lost.

35:41

It's about defence. We don't want defence. You need

35:44

the player, you need the guy to say, mate,

35:46

go out there and have a go. Yeah. It's

35:49

not there anymore. Right. I feel that

35:51

Australia now have lost their identity or

35:53

what they are. They're trying to find

35:55

one. Yeah, remember, they've always been, if

35:57

I go through the history of me

35:59

watching Australia, playing against Australia, they

36:01

were always so studious and for

36:03

so long the

36:06

Institute sport was the golden

36:08

beacon and now

36:11

it's like you expect them

36:13

to be able to put a plan

36:15

together and execute even like 2015 Bernard

36:17

Foley how

36:20

they scored those tries where they just have

36:23

runners inside outside it but he just played

36:25

it whereas at the moment you

36:28

go into the World Cup they've been friends last

36:30

year they just didn't have that they were trying

36:32

to be something else whether Eddie was trying to

36:34

make them again know

36:36

that they're in a difficult situation but instead of

36:39

going embracing the young players that you had and

36:41

go play the way that suits them the thing

36:43

that we've talked about bought us for the last

36:45

sort of couple years we've had all

36:47

these great youngsters and until the last three games

36:49

of Six Nations we're going well not even playing

36:52

any rugby yeah but then actually

36:54

if you give them a bit of freedom

36:56

and the responsibility to go and hold themselves

36:58

accountable you get better results out the back

37:00

of it it's interesting and I'd

37:02

love to ask you this so we put out

37:04

onto our social media any of our

37:06

fans can send in a question unsurprised he's one

37:08

came into you but it is related to Hong

37:11

Kong so this came in from Sammy boy and

37:13

is our continental tires question of the week and

37:15

it was for campo the best player that you

37:17

played against in sevens and

37:19

why well let me

37:22

see well I mean we had John Baptiste Lefon

37:24

play who was one of

37:26

my favorite unbelievable great is Bonkers

37:28

yeah really crazy guy him and

37:30

then you know about I love

37:33

the French shirts Blanco yeah Johnson

37:35

Davis played all those greats you know because

37:37

we played against test against them all the time yeah but

37:40

I must say so Revvy would be very

37:42

close because just

37:44

watching play you'll stand there with

37:46

the ball and

37:49

you'll score the other end that's

37:51

what made people come to watch yeah you

37:53

know even the Commonwealth Games obviously Christian Carlin

37:56

Jonah Lomis started here in 94 yeah you

37:58

know Christian Carlin gets a ball Under

38:00

the post scores the other end. That's

38:04

what you want. We asked the question

38:06

to DJ about how you

38:08

build global superstars. What

38:11

is your answer to that in a professional context?

38:13

Just be different. Just be

38:15

different. Try different things. If it works,

38:17

it works. But doesn't it doesn't?

38:21

Would you have relished playing in the professional era now? You

38:23

had your moment. You

38:25

had your moment in the 98s. We

38:27

were at MSN before though at that time. Yeah, it was a

38:29

bit old. So

38:31

the social media era. You'd have had a hell

38:33

of a show reel on Tech Talk. I mean you would

38:35

have been right up there. Yeah, Tech Talk I'm not interested

38:37

because of this. For sure, but my point is 89. If

38:41

a player was to do that now, that

38:43

would be an uncomfortable 6-12 months with

38:46

the social media judgement. So what is your... How

38:49

many years have I made that? Look at campaign

38:51

in the World Cup Final. If

38:53

you look at 89, for example, okay. Three test matches, I touch the

38:56

ball three times. If I get the ball 20 times and make

38:58

two mistakes, no one cares. I

39:01

get the ball three times and take two mistakes, the ball knows.

39:03

And that's your context. Can

39:05

you just explain what happened? For those

39:07

of you who haven't got a chance. So what happened 89, the

39:09

first test we won, the second test all in brawl. The

39:12

lines realised it, start punching. And

39:15

be the third test, Rob Andrew gets the ball, has a drop

39:18

goal, he misses. I get the ball behind my

39:20

try line. Because

39:23

I wasn't confident, there was only Yane Evans, there was

39:25

nobody. So I started

39:27

to run, stopped, Greg Martin called, I pass.

39:30

And Yane dives on the ball,

39:32

scores a try. Anyway,

39:34

so there was other incidents, it's still a long way to

39:36

go. The British lines won.

39:39

So I was walking off and some in the crowd

39:41

saw, he lost another game for Australia. So

39:44

I walked in the dressing room, sit down, no

39:46

one, not one player came near me for 10 minutes. And

39:49

I said Nick Fargone, and then Bob DeWye came over.

39:51

And so I said, don't worry about it. Walked

39:54

off to the reception with Yane, I said I'm going home. So

39:57

I was sponsored by BMW back then, my number plate was

39:59

N.O. No one won. Drove home, pulled

40:01

over by the police to speed in. Ha!

40:05

Go home. All

40:07

of a sudden the phone rings. St. Helens Rugby League

40:09

offered me more money to play league. And I

40:11

said, didn't you guys watch the game tonight? Anyway,

40:14

so that was the night. The next day, we still

40:16

had a game to go, which is the British Lions

40:18

and the Anzac. Yeah. So

40:20

the next day I'll bring Bob to either coach.

40:22

I said, Bob, it's the night. I'm not in

40:25

a good mood. Don't pick me next week. Okay.

40:27

Don't pick him. I put the phone down,

40:29

and I realised I've just told the national coach

40:32

what to do. So I rigged. I said, mate,

40:35

you want me to pick me? I did exactly the same

40:37

pass the week I offered him work. But

40:39

if it wasn't for that mistake, I

40:42

wouldn't have played well in 91. Yeah. Because

40:44

you can't go through everything good. You've

40:47

got to go ups and downs, and you learn. And

40:49

that's part of life. Life

40:53

lessons from David Campani. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean,

40:55

brilliant. Absolutely. You're not wrong. I know the other

40:57

thing I completely forgot to ask you about was,

41:00

I'm going to call it, English 7's

41:03

rugby's greatest moment. Which

41:05

was winning at Murray Building in 1993.

41:07

The first World Cup, yeah. Yeah, in 1993. You

41:10

were a part of that. That was Andy Harriman's great good dad.

41:12

I'm Mark Harriman, who just left me in the dust, man. Wow.

41:15

He was quick. Oh, I was quick. He

41:17

got it at 22. He is 22. And,

41:20

mate, he just... Got it. He was

41:22

quick. Thank you so much. Nobody to see

41:24

you, Campani. I'm glad you got a wedding, guys. Good idea.

41:27

And I'm sure we'll catch up with her down the track as well.

41:29

Just next year, mate. Give me a call when you get to the

41:32

Gold Coast. We'll have a coffee. Yeah, yeah, next year. He's done the

41:34

Gold in him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll

41:36

look forward to that. We'll see if we can copy him. Oh, I appreciate it. Campani,

41:39

thank you very much. We will let you swap

41:41

out. And we will bring in a very

41:43

special guest, our final guest of

41:45

our podcast here in Hong Kong. He's going to

41:47

surprise one or two, I think. How

41:49

are we going to track this? How's Macau?

41:51

David James, how are you? Macau was

41:53

very brief. Was it? Yeah, in and out. When were

41:55

you in Macau? Like I Didn't have much sleep. Yeah.

41:58

You look right. You look right. Nine o'clock ferries. Did

42:00

you go to become a lawyer? Wow.

42:03

Because the myth while with. Because

42:06

I had my yesterday was measuring last

42:08

night and we have a D J

42:10

Cities as Madison is the odds is

42:12

amazing. Sensor is a very good. Prices

42:14

are a good amount of many many

42:16

surprises. I when he said sense of

42:18

decision I don't I gave up for

42:20

the cello to play rugby. Started.

42:24

I guess I see. really. Well.

42:27

If I was in school. This and

42:29

I said. What? Was I

42:31

just like the wasps emigrant are just like

42:33

was my thought is known. As I said,

42:35

you're out of the of you're wearing Resigned

42:37

read: you are over here it will capacity.

42:40

The phone calls both sponsor other

42:42

the Basement Super Rugby Sevens for

42:44

Monoxide been a sponsor of Little

42:46

for. Say. Two years now since

42:48

feelings to give you the formulas write. this

42:51

is for some I've come to the seven

42:53

step. In realize what carnage

42:55

it can be easier. To

42:57

give us a description of of what you have made

42:59

of the last. Two. Buddies or interestingly

43:01

enough to just looking back now that

43:04

it's prime season south than the first

43:06

day was a little bit fuller and

43:08

got for the throughout the day. For.

43:11

Yesterday was ridiculous. Dealt with a

43:13

billion I know got it's like

43:15

really good luck on all our

43:17

not our site is sort a

43:19

podcast but max the ad hom

43:21

com thompson. Party. The

43:23

plays on allowed in South Sudan. But.

43:26

He's going in there. Off that again is going

43:28

on I'm going with. We waited. Yes, I was

43:30

young negative for we Live Now. In

43:33

the Us so about the smell

43:35

towards that as a witness without

43:37

giving us as the Dodgers cause

43:40

soreness like would you make it

43:42

is have you played it's cool

43:44

Friends of an as is one

43:46

of the great to set it

43:48

up on the planet not also

43:51

may hate Updated for so Rams

43:53

seven seen subsidies go Portsmouth played.

43:55

In the I used a trophy which was against Fulham.

43:58

Unlivable with of inherit with omaha. Vivid

44:00

Area is what we were. we want. You. Wanna

44:02

visit places? Pipes for Liverpool fans and

44:04

nothing is roughly under poster fancy. Probably.

44:08

Receptors or not, I will be one

44:10

so we don't. we receive sides for

44:12

the The Sevens Venice I yesterday was.

44:15

A serious mental. And it's as

44:17

if it were us being like athletes.

44:19

a former athletes your met on the

44:21

pace now running at a saw across

44:23

our as well and you trying your

44:26

best to win. Knowing. That the

44:28

people are watching you probably don't even know the

44:30

system what you did on a will forgotten about

44:32

what a source of i. Because they'll

44:34

be hung over summer so sent

44:36

my exam then that with. That.

44:39

The with Mikado they are just as he was

44:41

so busy. One of these it's allies as well

44:43

as is the Up. On

44:45

exposure for will much intensity the the

44:47

act cyber has been at times as

44:50

much without really have the time of

44:52

this the the sell side is the

44:54

closest we gotta get this. Did you

44:56

see what I can avoid? oh you

44:58

know what hailed as a yeah we

45:00

did it he beatrice one of the

45:02

not to mention maximum com. As

45:05

of the first I have him come by China. As

45:09

yeah. It's y sin

45:11

as in other words as as a

45:13

lot cheering and I was like I'd

45:15

say they've been into politics about what's

45:17

gonna happen next time with a homecoming.

45:19

Wagner was upset when your home sent

45:21

home same against deployed by. Oh I'm

45:23

suppose it makes the whole atmosphere at

45:26

a rate of a super just as

45:28

a science Yes south and they get

45:30

busy for those of us of the

45:32

by ago these hours the south of

45:34

a source video. Anyway, oh don't get

45:36

far as I lost everything. Muslims

45:39

as you do. It was a bubble that was about

45:41

us as a black. Guys. Arrivals is

45:44

harry themselves as a luxury

45:46

the summer my go sit

45:48

out all Florida. so my

45:50

my loss of experience was

45:52

Saracens vs listed side as

45:54

a Wembley. With

45:56

a klutz each other's same score. As

45:59

sources. Nicholas. Is this supposed Drink

46:01

a beer? something? Join a self class in

46:03

your position As I was going on. My

46:07

worst is very supposed to be truly sound.

46:10

Quite healthy as a three thousand

46:12

sensing thousand and most of us

46:14

us sooner thousand fans one days

46:17

in. A noisy

46:19

minute. Synopsis: I was an hour

46:21

level. Country does. Not

46:24

even without has. A

46:28

try to ignore been so good about it now.

46:30

I realize it at his eyes

46:32

of of the reasons you can

46:34

I recall the poor guy with

46:36

his side roads were that's the

46:38

theory that we will post as

46:41

of their salads stages to do

46:43

so. Health. Hazard.

46:45

rather than that. if you know what is

46:47

going of really like your you be an

46:49

eye on a sixty seventy thousand whatever is

46:51

the biggest stadium? Don't even know there's a

46:53

profit by the game on whistles. I saw

46:56

well despite ninety minutes. Other signs

46:58

us I soon or thousand and you could

47:00

Every voice said is this on my simplify

47:02

them they'll go to saw an open something

47:05

else sees to full of economic gain access

47:07

to a casual fan of us. What was

47:09

your other thing. I know

47:11

some us because I a white

47:14

sister. And I

47:16

defended the at six it's a sky

47:18

step. One. Of the best noise

47:20

out ever through some sort out. There are

47:22

so said we got a public school so

47:25

much because it's I was always Mobley. Most

47:27

athletes have yet to stick a bit of

47:29

a so many disabled people have led with.

47:32

One or the gone. For.

47:34

says noise. In excess,

47:37

else and unthinkable. Big.

47:40

For his duty noise and I'm sick of his

47:42

duties on it. And we went in

47:44

there was that this was not miss Able

47:46

to score absolutely hammered. didn't even notice anyone

47:48

else or. On a scar

47:50

These guys more is not proper noyau

47:52

for the blood of improper drink. Soya

47:55

full of the chase. Would. chop

47:57

wood shop whereas some hotel Tomahawk.

48:01

Tomahawk. Tomahawk. Tomahawk.

48:04

Tomahawk chop. Tomahawk chop. Tomahawk

48:06

chop. Tomahawk chop. Tomahawk chop.

48:09

Tomahawk chop. Tomahawk chop. Tomahawk

48:12

chop. Tomahawk chop. Because you've obviously played a little bit.

48:15

Do you watch any rugby? In rugby? In

48:17

rugby. Yeah. Um, Loves.

48:20

Really? Yeah, yeah, because you watched Johnny. Of course.

48:23

Great, Dave. Johnny Wilkinson. Uh,

48:25

interestingly, my Goldie coach are... Yeah,

48:28

Dave Oran kicked me. I

48:30

didn't speak to Johnny, you know. Dave came in and it

48:32

was like, I don't need a kicking coach. And

48:35

then like three hours later, it was like, wow, this

48:37

guy's just completely transformed one day. Really?

48:40

He's that good. He's that good. Really?

48:43

Very methodical though, is he? Yeah. And

48:45

then he went into golf. Yeah. I met him in a

48:47

gym in Portsmouth and he went,

48:49

well, golf's like football. Opposite. Upside

48:52

down. Oh, don't get C-shaped. C-shaped.

48:54

All round the game. I'll never forget

48:56

the World Cup. Johnny couldn't hit a

48:58

bar door with a bazooka. And

49:01

everyone was like, where's Dave Oran? And the golf

49:03

course every day. He came out an unbelievable time.

49:06

Johnny couldn't kick anything. We got done for

49:08

wall tambourine every day. Like, where's Dave? Everyone

49:10

lost that. It was just after that. It

49:12

was really a new world. Yeah, it was.

49:14

Dave is an amazing coach, but he obviously

49:17

didn't learn people's names because he just couldn't

49:19

care. So he just, he'd be like, who are

49:21

the fitness guys? Or are they fitness guy? Or tackle

49:23

bad guy? Or ball man? It's like Dave, for fuck's

49:25

sake. You know exactly who they are. So we just

49:27

started calling him kicking guy. Like, kicking guy. We'd come

49:29

in for this. When I see him, I'm going to

49:32

call him kicking guy. Kicking guy. Once

49:35

we saw for the rest of the day,

49:37

are you out and about shaking hands and

49:39

enjoying what the carnage that continues? Given I've

49:41

had two hours sleep. Yeah,

49:44

I'm just waiting for it to warm up a little bit because it's not warm

49:46

enough at the moment. Yeah, true. We

49:49

have a kicking challenge at half time.

49:52

Soon. Right,

49:54

well I will probably win. Who

49:58

are you up against? A couple of Hong Kong guys. Okay.

50:00

So we've got a kicking challenge. We're going to be here for all

50:02

the games. And at some point I

50:04

will probably be drunk. Have you tried it

50:06

off the team? Have you tried to... kick

50:09

him all off the team before? No,

50:12

no, no. You stick your foot in and make a little mound

50:14

over it. Yeah, he had old skills. Get

50:16

the sand out. Get the sand castle. You know,

50:19

he used to call it a fucking sand. Fucking

50:21

sand. This guy would make old sand. Aww. He

50:23

would go, Neil Jenkins or Wales. I

50:25

unbelievable kick literally. A little sand castle manufacturing

50:28

boot. He'd missed that whole area. He'd gone

50:30

back to Paul Forber. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. A

50:32

big heel. The thing is, there's no mud

50:34

in these pictures anymore. I can't do that.

50:36

You've got a lot of tests on. Whatever.

50:38

It's all weed. What

50:40

you get as we wrap up this show is just

50:42

a sense of what the Hong Kong Sevens is all

50:44

about. It's a great time with great people having an

50:46

enormous amount of fun. Thank you

50:49

so much for diving in. I'm so glad you've dressed up

50:51

for the occasion as well. One of us has

50:53

got to make an effort. There's barely a soul left in this man

50:55

and... We've got a bit of

50:57

repairing to do for your performance last night.

50:59

I'm surprised one of you two or both

51:01

of you aren't dressed as Hulk Hogan or

51:03

Rick Rick. You dressed as a rugby ball

51:05

yesterday. I watched some of the particularly

51:07

low points. We should have done the Bushwhackers. Yeah, I'm

51:10

all brand totally new. Because apparently I looked like this.

51:12

I was on a cupboard with some sort of... A

51:14

traffic cone or something like that, alright? Comedy donut or

51:16

something like that. You're our fourth guest, three of us.

51:18

We've had seven people talking about the state of seven.

51:21

There is so much to look forward to as

51:23

this form of the sport moves forward. But I think from

51:25

the three of us and for everyone who's been here

51:27

in Hong Kong, it is one of the greatest weekends

51:29

in the sport in Canada. If you haven't been, make

51:32

sure you do. Thank you to everyone for looking after

51:34

us over a remarkable four days. Stop

51:37

it and behave. We are the good, the bad, the

51:39

rugby with continental tyres. What is left of us is

51:41

going on to Australia. We'll see you very soon. Thanks

51:43

so much for tuning in. Enjoy your week. Bye

51:45

for now. You've

51:48

been listening to The Good, Yay!

51:50

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51:52

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51:55

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