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everybody. Hope. You're well, workable org

1:01

to a big good bad rugby. Six.

1:04

Nations debriefing possible. Very good friends It continental

1:06

ties with started a more say. We.

1:08

Ended in Lille. we've had the most extraordinarily

1:10

coast A between seven weeks, five rounds, fifty

1:12

games. it's odd and a graduate student who

1:15

go back to back with the so where

1:17

but you feel everybody. Has got

1:19

something to celebrate. Perhaps. Ball Wales

1:21

although even they will have learnt pressures lessons

1:23

along the way and in close this week

1:25

the two clowns James Haskell, And.

1:27

Like Tyndall welcome to both of you would choose.

1:29

Started with an overall of the six years ago

1:31

come to You then Ted's passes when I squint

1:33

because they look a little nervous always thinking about

1:36

because not law show I started he said I

1:38

made it me but me myself and I as

1:40

that that's how we liked start show you got

1:42

to chat to about what we've been doing that

1:44

tends to be on the pace or four days

1:47

is still alive. Again, it's

1:49

got a little reinstated ties and then

1:51

aged a lot of. Of one,

1:53

it basically protect yourself an alcoholic. Java yeah we

1:55

did try a train when we can. What We

1:57

try it. Yes, A Detroit we had the most.

2:00

My have nailed off to the the eight out

2:02

of and I was just was amazing and then

2:04

I'm it was a walkabout employ a Wales and

2:06

card is the day off to just have a

2:08

day of great see him. That

2:10

was Ram mode and crowd again very

2:13

rugby people at last pinpointing so well

2:15

shirts not show us go to dance

2:17

music's but it's good for them and

2:20

I am at a restaurant possibly see.

2:22

Who would our get on the so later was

2:25

a seven month lucky you network He got out

2:27

he was what play what game that was will

2:29

come on that but that was might not be

2:31

my weight loss. Lots halfords. good for you have

2:33

like a showman I was until Friday than the

2:35

sword. Horribly wrong. Admitted to the highs and lows

2:38

of the two of you sort of in many

2:40

ways replicate the highs and lows that we were

2:42

touching on of the back of the last week

2:44

of what has been. A sundress?

2:46

successes? Let's. Discuss

2:49

islands. Five

2:51

Six Nations titles in eleven years They

2:53

have the to from lot he posts

2:55

woke Up. For. Going out sneeze into

2:57

the quarterfinals. Sick of a coin job? How

3:00

important for them to prove that they

3:02

can bounce back again. I get

3:04

a title and under their belt we just point

3:06

out with none of us pin them to window

3:08

with webos of France. we're gonna win six nations

3:10

in that eggs and weight. Whenever I did was

3:12

going to add to that So we did say

3:14

who have one of your game would I buy

3:17

San Francisco When and I thought I'd and what

3:19

not been recovered Johnny Sexton I thought that the

3:21

moment is gonna the woke up me when and

3:23

play that Well. That's

3:25

why said in another his own my own

3:27

might my mistakes and as yeah I think

3:29

if they turn around and I work with

3:31

dedicated focus professional Ruthless. Got it. Got the

3:33

job done. I think we any other day they

3:35

be England but fair play to them and decipher

3:38

a special will they be a kiss on again.

3:40

That. Sale against the doing the Against Africa give us

3:42

a bit of a tribute to Peter My he has

3:44

much he now says retirees who can take about a

3:47

tongue as I have a son was your have had

3:49

I surely this I hate that by the way an

3:51

arsenal I hate why they do like date like Danny

3:53

care surely his last game so he's well I guess

3:55

she'll she'll know like I as he it is now

3:57

because he has no sign for by on so. It

4:00

is. I well know that he is or was he still

4:02

got time. If you want said but

4:04

I might ease of the got this opportunity. I

4:06

go to South Africa when it's as says he's

4:08

been to New Zealand.it's the it's the World Cup.

4:10

I'm sure that the chance to have a crack

4:12

at the champions of you'll be enormous, but if

4:14

it is. I'm I'm in

4:16

a as as addy files that he paid

4:18

his best game So I think that I

4:21

mean levitate Zola go off peak Pretty so.

4:23

I think this but sense mentality of see

4:25

picking a man is that like gay guys

4:27

opportunities as he was going getting them both

4:29

at managing really well that that's of player

4:31

player started Danny Kaye against call him when

4:33

he was commissioned as growth him some coachman

4:35

dropped him we seen see bought it manages

4:37

Paisley well. I think there's been no manager

4:39

Peter Manatees have to be that I think

4:42

he saved isn't his best game for last

4:44

I think I love the emotion. I

4:46

struggle to cry i'm I'm in those others retried

4:48

was we are both my daughter so I know

4:50

Lawrence is to cry when he saw the not

4:52

anthems on the Red Lot Mc Hammer come on

4:54

I was unable to do that's cloud Love as

4:56

you could say but on websites you're on out

4:59

I am. I would be unplayable if I as

5:01

a show any form of Ocean Arms by Sunday

5:03

that unfortunate but he and again sometimes it pays.

5:05

monikers. You. Know we saw against England

5:07

got a yellow color was he. Began

5:10

see it was a M A force that's how the

5:12

most was in a bubble over at what price. Best

5:14

game of tournament I think He's a brilliant man brilliantly

5:17

as it is been a store the on and he

5:19

was such a long time. he's incredible. Found him at

5:21

his apps a serial killer and his lawn. I

5:24

think he'll wind or atomic to get some oh

5:26

and rely that loan on repeat. I just hope

5:28

that brings in the level happiness. That.

5:31

His voice had said saw legs has done of a

5:33

lot Yeah yeah yeah cause my shot him a is

5:35

the best most out of anyone ever met. A lot

5:37

I think. You. Know it I

5:40

like the the aim was crazy had those highs

5:42

and highs and lows. had that the other lines

5:44

be named captain for the first test and then

5:46

also define himself out there with me Roy best

5:48

the humid weight which is always bad side says

5:51

their careers gave up only be bad Let's go

5:53

Cena they a great dinner and so I think

5:55

he he deserves a are I. Don't

5:57

like thought the people of Austin retired way I would.

6:00

To keep playing as long as they have mean

6:02

I have their merits and he's a brilliant. Did

6:04

it later as he isn't your options. The cats

6:06

in his size well as well deserved that. His

6:08

eyes on the cake for Madison Incredible foot Chris

6:11

hundred and five taps what would you want and

6:13

a great t man in that was go by

6:15

where to survive because also the don't be buried

6:17

under that law but you know he he's a

6:19

top top my top before much as fly them

6:22

more than if he has incredible family Credible dad

6:24

what was what would you want this the we

6:26

talk about. Whether on and oh how

6:28

easy on him going to find replace Johnny Sexton

6:30

I wonder when the time comes in let's hope

6:32

the still a few laps to go. But when

6:34

Peter Modi is he's such a sort of ferocious

6:37

tour de force in that scene where the heat

6:39

p will be I'm it does. It does not

6:41

a cap of the right everyday to weaken on

6:43

the the moment but it would be Mcc how

6:45

and who brings that emit A.emotional. Ferocity.

6:48

That I cuddled had a monster and

6:50

I'm on his deftly taken on was

6:52

icing contributors of it out because think

6:55

I'm willing to. In South Africa. This

6:58

your to the two teams that you've got hardest that

7:00

in the last four years. Go.

7:02

Head to head in. The Mike Tindall Darby.

7:05

Like this at the moment. With.

7:07

The gay where it's at. I just hope we

7:09

hate We see games that we have other easy

7:11

on the sense who wins Southern Oregon thought into

7:13

tests. On one

7:15

who I was. Ah it's

7:18

just to annoy this. Ask

7:20

him. Fans are know your

7:23

eyelids price. Were. Was asked

7:25

i Safc be eyelids. To.

7:29

A sixty was the last time says

7:31

tom is back to the game is

7:33

tweezers even when I'm sixty one thousand

7:35

Obama yard Yeah so Assaf has got

7:38

to say we're entering this is want

7:40

to cut it house with received since

7:42

for say it woke up a lawsuit

7:44

last one don't want to attack the

7:46

on a month less the less ah

7:48

what I started on and oversee against

7:50

South Africa A. D One quickly

7:52

most Scotland summer so Usa, Canada, Chile and

7:54

Uruguay that are. That's when I signed up

7:56

for yet. if I'm believe you're paying go

7:58

That will be lot of thought. They the

8:00

for that's the dream to after woke up

8:02

as the yeah yeah he can he what

8:05

he will hide we talked to we've talked

8:07

to about it levy yeah that it serves

8:09

of the debts and to the money to

8:11

bring through a lifeline or sorts well as

8:14

your they are that I'd never towards that

8:16

I'd never toured some black America because it

8:18

was it was always either a break till

8:20

right or i this mix bloody mazes fit

8:23

as just did let's pick up on Scotland

8:25

that because that back down to forth and

8:27

eve of had a bit say about Greg

8:29

time. Know how to. I wasn't meant well but how

8:32

to how can you out you have given it a

8:34

man who earns more? Not yet. What do you do

8:36

with existing the eyes that hasn't been done of? where's

8:38

the X a spice Others are you see about skull?

8:40

No I'm not suit Johnny Beaten. The. I

8:42

to be she or is he was like

8:44

where else do you go of killer It

8:47

shows the had man but graders as as

8:49

he put he from two teams with a

8:51

smattering of overseas players or players suffers container

8:53

literally this well. A at it

8:55

did. very good question but of Scotland for

8:57

we better than Italy. Will.

9:00

Know the loss of yes but

9:02

as rape victim higher the table

9:04

I think I just think you

9:06

got to. Eat. Cannot quite so.

9:08

the intangibles in terms of. I'd

9:11

sawing about by can just come back on that point

9:13

is he's on the twenties or before we forbid in

9:15

school have the wooden spoon in the uncertainty so I

9:17

did to put us on a make about just changing

9:19

Gregor. It is a little bit like change. It often

9:22

comes down to the system on of the firing of

9:24

them either because they're. They're. School system

9:26

is incredible. that club game is incredible.

9:28

That provincial size point the top end

9:30

of Europe and when you are safe

9:32

enough to that of years ago. Very

9:35

talents that feeds into a national team

9:37

that is really consistent. They. They know

9:39

they know what they're doing from the

9:41

ground up Scotland It feels like you

9:43

look at the star performers for them

9:45

piss game and because stayed down Vandermeer

9:47

Vom and citizens he still the star

9:49

but they are. They are bringing unpleasant

9:51

the top level rather than building from

9:53

the ground up. So I see there

9:55

is a difference in changing. A.

9:58

Gregor Townsend An unexpected. Matt about

10:00

less the Scotland and changing and I deferral

10:02

and expecting not agree I am I don't

10:04

I'm not sure how much as but I'm

10:07

not sure what I'm saying that a H

10:09

should definitely happen but the year keep in

10:11

gregory little going to get worse they get

10:13

a put together have those they get we

10:15

have those wins again. When I think it's

10:17

more of the question of we've been saying

10:20

the same thing. Food is that we know

10:22

that on the day they can be any

10:24

one we know that they you know they

10:26

suit was still go. With consistency

10:28

we always think they're getting better though is

10:30

on for a grand slam is this is

10:32

a year and their the a sort of

10:34

a rebels and yeah I think this year it

10:36

looks like they've a rebel more than that

10:38

she the have because he not we said

10:40

after that France game that is try and

10:42

that is that would have kicked saddam or

10:44

would they have lot on a six person may

10:47

be so said it would cut as bus have

10:49

who if that is nice and three years ago

10:51

good looking for solutions to fix it. Guess

10:53

sports psychologist were with a with because a

10:55

clean he can't consistently win games said as

10:57

a massive. From my that's to do with the

10:59

oh a squad why thing pacifier said other during

11:02

that ready by i guarantee know rugby they're probably

11:04

on his first and then wealthy dissipates were from

11:06

a ball retention when he got it because they

11:08

were having something that mercurial fly off if he

11:11

saw the ball I've asked. we surveys and got

11:13

the ball pelt british pounds he's on the mobile

11:15

the plane back a positive and get psychologists look

11:17

at how the hell you consistently when how you

11:19

deal with the pressure and how you perform because.

11:22

His. Office him and thing because you know

11:24

nothing changes. Apart from that, the opposition,

11:26

a plane at that like that. That

11:28

doesn't mean the sudden lose in a

11:30

job. Mccaskill with the Humphrey First time

11:32

was had a flight logs in one

11:34

sense little sideways real estate. A scholar

11:36

bit disappointed. Where does that leave Wales

11:38

As we move on to events of

11:40

the Principality it's been. Appears

11:42

to be a tournament. Where. Move

11:45

Wells trajectory has dropped from that

11:47

remarkable second off Come Back. Almost.

11:50

Getting of a lot against Scotland Running a very

11:52

close at Twickenham. Of. Then from there

11:54

it's sorta gets more more disappointing losing to.

11:58

Not only all and then go. The habit

12:00

I my friends and then losing a

12:02

home to actually.is seemingly hatred actually having

12:04

the runs? Yes, I think you're right,

12:06

I think. It

12:09

we know dos cause he plays I think

12:11

what people forget is incest level is no

12:13

is a bad side So bad players that

12:15

are players that consists consistently and that the

12:18

game plan a deal with pressure to perform

12:20

have the why I days and pick the

12:22

right tools for the that right job at

12:24

my wells aren't necessary doing that's all day

12:26

they have moments but and have consistency are

12:29

gonna see the horse power I think Rhonda

12:31

I think I think so in about sing

12:33

to him he knows be pretty good discover

12:35

chat boards needs to come back when he's

12:38

back when rates. Adopts a pie with

12:40

M. Sommerfeld. Have seen a lot

12:42

of changes industry or else it

12:44

as an awesome does definitely swirl

12:46

town in there. I just one

12:48

that's. Either with a

12:50

just and appear transition them I went i think we

12:52

know well from prison in a spot of bother. I

12:54

love. Cats. Are of Cats is

12:57

in it. Kind

12:59

of politicking. One. Gal

13:01

offered to. Resign

13:03

Abby Cheney said no no that's the last and

13:05

we want Scotland is just put i stray outlet

13:08

to stop anybody questioning fat the heat that he

13:10

was can be it was a precious to view

13:12

to do with it straight away on its and

13:14

if he does or does he says is what

13:16

most money parts of anyway or if he if

13:18

he wants to in a stop the media for

13:20

talking about it as the first you deal with

13:22

se play that raise was the best in the

13:24

business with the media have and and the allocative

13:27

one hundred percent he met his muscles. That's a

13:29

point where that's how we dealt with is very.

13:31

Excited as is. I was right sidebar next

13:33

job. I'm not behind the scenes of what

13:35

no idea know gases, Equality blown Equality coach.

13:38

I think there's a lot of work. to be

13:40

dumber, I think I'm pretty pretty bad place. I

13:42

don't think there's any miracles to be honest it's

13:44

but I think. awesome place. definite combat lot farther

13:46

south. I'm the can make up that to make

13:48

a difference minutes yet with the greatest respect if

13:50

you time I said before us how is one

13:53

of the we are so I can make a

13:55

difference since I'm fix the problem size and I

13:57

are you in a crate have you around Easter

13:59

Leadership in Cs. What matters? like more times than

14:01

I ever will be. But I think you you

14:03

you are looking for. A

14:05

edited it again. We're talking about changing

14:07

Gregor Townsend What that will discuss Rugby.

14:10

Hypothetically, if you get rid of Gatland I

14:12

am and he's almost the man holding all

14:14

the source again whales that amount of the

14:16

your bosom. He understands. The

14:19

league system with her to so best

14:21

buy the supplies by Eve Kiska find

14:23

the next group of players that get

14:25

a say I think either of say

14:27

we saw of go Give. It

14:30

a big shots chose north as well as.

14:32

Well. As. Well. As greatest who have

14:34

see a desire to go not mandated go

14:36

up with the triceps at a deserve better

14:38

live a peaceful is that that that's at

14:40

school in one go to lose list when

14:42

I wish record tanker finish in a World

14:45

Cup when carried out while you're welcome Johnson

14:47

So it's yeah my shot yet towards north

14:49

limp, softest or limbs off the field or

14:51

hate I'm only succeed landscapes listening a trophy

14:53

it says Eastender spectrum it's it's so sad

14:55

you know a date It is very sad

14:57

to say golf there but I mean he

14:59

then you are looking guys had a hundred

15:01

and twenty odd caps is near undies. Had

15:03

some moments as whispers of Jesus he if

15:06

I'm eighteen years old matter here now is

15:08

allow whilst he had the ball down the

15:10

grey lines. individual sizable time at any point

15:12

it taught me and anomalies in our is

15:14

is is that more money than this list

15:17

not be filth to Sapper is nice to

15:19

finish base is given everything for Wales is

15:21

incredible bloke he so sorry one muscle wise

15:23

retiring buck it as a result is a

15:25

pretty to in France. What? Why

15:27

we get protesters in France is what I know. It's

15:30

probably back to the races you big I know right

15:32

and put an artist as a point of this court

15:34

last gulf to Prodi dirt. It's a brave as well.

15:36

Rights think he is a master plan if you think

15:38

the top fourteen was rough. The. Process is

15:40

even worse but less managed is going to

15:42

be even worse. U S C and Rugby

15:45

Death I mean you know own eyes you

15:47

scout I'm not saying goes on that ice

15:49

I guess is hop fourteen right? Prototype.

15:52

By think. The so previous blue sky as

15:54

as much as last there's no idea what

15:56

he goes it brother run again with is

15:58

where was at this is. The whole lot

16:00

you know Also a brave as well.

16:03

I'm a Catholic school is I bet

16:05

you know go proof play somewhere where

16:07

it's safe harbor theoretically idea this evidence

16:09

of i think George Scale failed to

16:11

provide. That can be easy for my

16:14

suggests I think rugby other you'll you'll

16:16

definitely better schools and tried but he's

16:18

equalize his head stamped on. but I'm

16:20

not because exposes by I imagine it's

16:22

it's site that the while West Job

16:24

Mccaskill fixed Scottish rugby in a three

16:27

point plan. What is valid? Some tend

16:29

to old. Weldon Llewellyn

16:31

the densest and didn't run and. Run

16:34

we took. we have talked about. I

16:37

hope it doesn't It works from him along

16:39

and thought Op has not yet a spade

16:41

the top. They need to invest in the

16:44

connection between have to resort to others for

16:46

years the connection with the all the local

16:48

rugby teams think. You were

16:50

ever we've gone and. The will

16:52

be clubs that we walked into. males

16:55

always talked about. Now. There is

16:57

snow can shoot connection with it of

16:59

you are you? I'm they've really got

17:01

do next I think. There's.

17:03

Still some that that is still great players

17:05

that get slipping through the net. Gatland talked

17:07

about the fact that say we're both so

17:10

is is it English and he's missed out

17:12

on. Here. Is this implies

17:14

that that? Well, they've got to do

17:16

a better job at enticing Fatal to

17:18

comply for Wales. And yeah, he did

17:20

he mention that twenty five cat? Really,

17:22

he was very sad. Very nicely are

17:24

on. The sense of it was that

17:26

there's a big interested in the same

17:28

way that we've been saying. Nelson.

17:31

Is lit beside know with England not allowing

17:33

people to go then the money wherever they

17:35

want them to bring them back. It's the

17:37

same with with Wells Ear. If you want

17:39

get over you go allow your place to

17:41

play wherever you want to play and. Know.

17:44

If that means and playing the better people

17:46

there a better players to make them better

17:48

than those youngsters anyone else you've got still

17:50

be able to pick from such as Get

17:52

Rid Of Israel. I think that that stuff

17:54

does most of any caps to change it.

17:56

I don't these animate much for different staying

17:58

as is is that fit. What was going

18:00

if he is something more money, more players

18:02

but I think we've got when she gets

18:04

pick any was any teams go to pick

18:07

anyone from anywhere even Australians Usa nice replay

18:09

a say it may don't his ideals yet

18:11

Sabu fall but you'd make provisions for that.

18:13

Had a good agents everything's up for grabs

18:15

I think always laws we change the animal

18:17

spirits pick anyone with has to. the pool

18:19

of players that get to pick from is

18:21

so small same Scotland and Wales is let

18:23

people who have it. So. That's Oversee

18:25

Wells. Why did we Brigid Undoubtedly one of

18:27

the stars of this is Six. This is

18:30

your new bf area of the back of

18:32

a chance meeting a car if it's the

18:34

one of only Paolo Gabi see a many

18:36

many congratulations to you and your team will

18:38

couple of the how you did it it

18:40

a minority but just tell us festival palo

18:43

what the celebrations were like on Saturday night

18:45

off the back of when he called us.

18:48

Out of i can say a

18:50

few drinks year than for really.

18:55

Allow that yeah we have was

18:57

we were happy and I think

18:59

asking would the great job or

19:01

the sentiment so yeah of course

19:03

happy and proud on that's a

19:05

load can do something even begin

19:07

to to to. Happy. And

19:09

proud and rightly so. Just in your view,

19:12

you've you've You've had a few years of

19:14

the Six Nations. Now How big a step

19:16

forward was? Twenty Twenty Four for Italian rugby

19:19

or as a whole. Yeah,

19:21

massive, massive as you said, I

19:23

played in a couple of situations

19:26

and like my record is now

19:28

twenty two losses and three when.

19:30

So of course that, like gallery

19:33

still still beats. Ah, but yeah,

19:36

So we we will lead the

19:38

best situations in our own history.

19:40

So which or which is traits

19:42

are so justice system can you

19:44

live out our be The said

19:46

that we made was really stupid.

19:48

It was interesting because of see

19:51

the celebrations after. Estes

19:54

as to the first was he got

19:56

onset on Saturday this week. It looked

19:58

very calm, composed, like. Turned up expecting

20:00

to win that game so that we try

20:03

to build the that we should be competing

20:05

every year. We should be getting better. Of

20:08

sense I think we need to eat

20:10

when he to keep fighting to to

20:13

have ah consistency really on I think

20:15

of is this is what we have

20:17

struggled for four years now. So

20:20

we could have like one some

20:22

game see and babylon. We couldn't

20:24

We couldn't do it like four.

20:27

Years in a row and for six

20:29

nations in are also I think this

20:31

is what we we need to go

20:33

for and what for and lasting Korea

20:35

That. The. Rights: A group of

20:37

people, mountains of players and coaches

20:39

stuff. So I think we could

20:42

potentially we. To. Three game

20:44

series you ever see patients. What's been the

20:46

big difference this time round to solder of

20:48

see helping you know amasses guy going to

20:50

fly half but why why the sudden change

20:53

in an outside never consistency in terms of

20:55

like the right be plenty of us in

20:57

for for thirty two name kicking game is

20:59

is a lot better. We know at this

21:01

like. Gay

21:05

and in the previous year

21:08

specialist us we had some

21:10

good. A third movement then

21:12

and and situations. But we

21:14

we overplayed and we the t go south's

21:17

so now we i think gets much on

21:19

that is the is definitely a balance there.

21:21

Buddy also failed that he's out when the

21:23

likes of yeah we were talking raving couple

21:26

years ago about that own and how good

21:28

he was but then to solve have brac

21:30

smelled shell out here you've got you've had

21:33

I only for years have pani now command

21:35

have Louis line and co it's to failed

21:37

as a fly half he just get is

21:40

like is i can s one car you

21:42

just get nice upgrades every. Every year,

21:44

thus allowing for pull the strings a

21:46

little bit better. At

21:48

Yale Force. as as he said it

21:51

as a fly off it's It's so

21:53

cute for a T to to play

21:55

with life alongside this these two players

21:57

and it's really a matter of. Putting

22:00

that into space is really then they they can

22:02

do like with I would like to do and

22:04

without a kid will often would find it Can

22:07

you discover? One thing is Vincent Quick of a

22:09

new and is that why you have to put

22:11

your head of the ball steel both. I

22:16

see yeah, season is particularly if that

22:18

guy is a. Risk

22:21

factor as the city to what the kicking

22:23

game as well which is always been very

22:25

very notes spent in the upgrade the Italian

22:27

rub his had over the course of the

22:29

seasons that we we all saw social media

22:31

for us to sending questions for you and.

22:34

Or. Think about half a dozen of them

22:36

around you're kicking t Have you bought yourself

22:38

a new one? Have you got to Kiki

22:41

T? sponsor a Sleepless Nights if you had

22:43

off the back of them they became against

22:45

France. Ah yeah

22:47

know like I have an oven

22:49

at. Both. A new cat

22:51

and kicking to yes ah says

22:54

thinking about it. but yeah, probably

22:56

polish as your ballot. And thus

22:58

began of course, massive massive disappointment

23:01

after that kidneys France. and yeah,

23:03

I definitely. For. Three,

23:05

four five nights, why couldn't sleep really

23:07

be abolished by the fall of the

23:10

job, you know, that pilot projects and

23:12

at how? Just. Went outside his

23:14

point you how different is the environment

23:16

between karen crowd a now to saw

23:18

that that in over what would you

23:21

said. Other three key differences between as

23:23

to coaches. I'm offering.

23:26

Ah Qiang was more like he

23:28

gave us more freedom in terms

23:30

of like what we could do

23:32

on on on the field was

23:34

then we it is ah that

23:36

is more like guys I highly

23:38

recommend you to do that is

23:40

as a guy a behind nine

23:42

I have a restaurant arctic ice

23:44

your less often Highly recommend if

23:46

you think about it as a

23:48

half sister for a side of

23:50

the so yeah this this is

23:52

the main difference. Men: Through

23:54

the and then is is is

23:56

more like he becomes more his

23:58

lot in so. Like more even. In.

24:02

The. Like fashioned kind of style.

24:04

I regret Kieran: Be like

24:06

a New Zealand like more

24:08

know British. More like. Anxiety.

24:11

I know. maybe I'll have you guys? Yes

24:13

hell forget his I supposed to my and

24:15

we're s. Is whenever Scott was

24:18

your first. went home and eleven years and

24:20

the study Olympic I was sold out for

24:22

the first time in a decade. When you

24:24

just look at the whole around Italian rugby

24:27

at the moment to be so going. Great

24:29

guns and you are seats ya the twenties

24:31

begin to rip up trees on an annual

24:33

basis Now in the Six Nations as well.

24:36

What sort of difference have you noticed in

24:38

the perception of Italian rugby amongst Italian sports

24:40

fans? Are you getting more back page headlines?

24:42

Are you getting more interests overall In in

24:45

what you're doing and in the. In the

24:47

blue shirt. Amassing as

24:49

being they like the ever seen around our

24:51

sports is is is gonna grow in any

24:53

to at the minutes an awful as I

24:56

think we got like the first page on

24:58

the like the main sport jointly need

25:00

to leave for like as an old for

25:02

the first son and roman yes ah

25:04

on on sunday morning on the another full

25:06

page of course that this a time

25:09

saver for my we get what if which

25:11

we get to that we're guessing that's

25:13

at the know of course we we can't

25:15

go browse up to two two foot

25:17

but really I the. Mean it's and

25:19

that be I think of course

25:21

when you quit, when you when

25:23

ah on like. Would.

25:26

Like when when games of course it helps

25:28

with us. I'm on those who will eat

25:30

whether you'll have done this on Sunday but

25:32

did you leave this the environment. If we

25:34

had about two clubs with a kind of

25:36

this has to be the new norm and

25:38

this is where this team can now go.

25:41

From. Here we what is the potential with

25:43

industry particularly when you look at what stars

25:45

are coming through from the and twenties. I

25:48

think we as we have a good

25:50

potential victims of like new players that

25:53

are already in the in the team

25:55

and your as you said. Got.

25:57

A Chinese the are performing get. I

26:00

think the key is to like give

26:02

lot of game time to those play

26:05

especially and twenties I because of the

26:07

mean if we only had like two

26:09

teams like in the new Se and

26:11

souks it's it's it's hard for those

26:14

players to to get game time so

26:16

we know that that the difference between

26:18

I phone yen and and like guess

26:20

my treasury is huge so those guys

26:23

need to I really had loads of

26:25

game time the us he always other

26:27

be before getting to the to the

26:29

national. Team as if you're gonna name was one

26:31

player the we might not know to look out

26:33

for. Who would that be? I'm opposition's advice for

26:36

on a tiny yeah. Calories.

26:39

Winning. Unbelievable tonight other

26:41

was there that is that your next upgrade

26:44

yes a specific what I have a however

26:46

you are going to they went up with

26:48

said there was. No

26:51

Amazon.is as shit around and so was

26:53

he said to is. Because

26:57

is is is like is by

26:59

so in life in areas. Is

27:01

is is very good for them. He has

27:03

also like. By a good

27:06

one one coupled with his sasso yeah

27:08

and at the dismayed by Young right?

27:10

Yeah. Com. Can. I ask you

27:12

about your your new a good this season and Luigi

27:15

liner a how impressed you with his singing of the

27:17

National Lab some a be what's he brought to the

27:19

Italian squad. Yeah.

27:21

I was face has allowed life

27:24

is his knowledge of our them

27:26

often do I think this mountain

27:28

getting some lessons about it and

27:30

be honest it's been out of

27:32

or I was very press on

27:35

how ah like focus he was

27:37

in terms of getting into team

27:39

or is this week he asked

27:41

me i'd so many questions about

27:43

like the like the or the

27:45

the all seeing in the old

27:48

codes and and and those system

27:50

so yeah bye. Bye

27:52

to meet his and so

27:54

asking is that the the

27:56

jerseys does to jerseys and.

27:59

We. Are. He wins and

28:01

losses. Process you started So

28:03

we six prescriptive I don't have a shorter

28:05

and case what one quick question because we

28:07

talk a lot about how for England have

28:09

progressed as a team of the last seven

28:12

weeks. To say bits, where do you look?

28:14

What happened to Italy of the Rugby World

28:16

Cup? Your journey sunset has been awesome. Extraordinary

28:18

of seats you've touched on some of us.

28:20

how do you have slept now of what

28:23

happened at the Rugby World Cup and twenty

28:25

three three with it just sort of and

28:27

a stormy whichever they went wrong. Where are

28:29

the reasons of these you can look back

28:32

on. Now I just got away from you. As

28:36

stuff I think we were not

28:38

as bad as this cause i

28:40

felt like tell everyone about and

28:42

I think now we're not can't

28:44

just of course offing death like

28:46

a to this is is in

28:48

the middle really and ah we

28:50

are Aussie definitely something. I. Meant

28:52

that he went went wrong is at

28:54

woke up i think know when that

28:56

no matter what like the south was

28:58

going to change and song for really

29:00

wasn't the great like the greatest. Scenario.

29:03

And to to pay like or

29:05

every match in and Bs anyway.

29:07

I think as you said, this

29:09

is it was. More.

29:11

Like me a storm then like than

29:14

the reality of of of the. I

29:17

will was you one of the question about

29:19

your cats and Mccain elaborate who has led

29:21

with such passion and such energy throughout the

29:24

tournament. His stats are extraordinary, just give us

29:26

a little sense of of just how much

29:28

of a talisman he's becoming. Seal Team. I'm

29:32

honestly I think is is on

29:34

like the best situations like these

29:36

have a lot of course and

29:39

resignation new player as as on

29:41

in in each to. See

29:47

his group is kept him because he

29:49

was captain I when I was in

29:51

the seem that already so I I

29:54

saw him going as a captain and

29:56

nothing is a wonderful leader. Ah he

29:58

he can lead by. Voice and

30:00

Is Example and his attempts on the field.

30:03

And as you said, these thoughts are

30:05

on bunny Boiler. So this tells you

30:07

how could these? You've obviously Gabi personal

30:10

change coming up with Montpellier to to

30:12

too long oversee find shutouts Number ten,

30:14

Chow down bigger. I mean how exciting

30:16

a move is that The would he

30:18

be flag it's mom Pele this weekend.

30:22

Trips and that I know this those

30:24

with an agreement between the bitchy the

30:26

Cloud there I was playing so that's

30:28

that. That's the thing But are I'm

30:30

I'm super happy to to to be

30:32

here and to to be like to

30:34

play alongside and such a stupid is

30:36

as than peak hour and we could

30:38

have like. Which. Added a few

30:40

i when i was what when where

30:42

and when it has him to clone

30:45

and yes it would be really looking

30:47

for to them for him and I

30:49

yeah so. Really happy his a

30:51

test of your Italian media hamburg But one

30:53

of the other questions that had submitted from

30:55

one of our social media follows was about

30:57

your accent from I'm Pele and whether that

30:59

was done on the had taken a small

31:01

with is a bit more to it over

31:03

the circumstances around. leave him appellate an idea

31:05

for too long. On

31:07

basically they needed on the island

31:10

off who caught with a french

31:12

hookah and the soda decided to

31:14

go for the i wasn't long

31:16

and sometimes law wanted amount of

31:18

time. On so this is

31:20

how this trade ah set off.

31:22

Really pledged to. To. Just

31:24

be quick. Only be driving a Ferrari

31:27

to training or of fear or is

31:29

it didn't hit or about. This is

31:31

just requires which which sponsor they have

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31:36

guy as addictive. As

31:38

afraid as a total, I read a lot of

31:40

money out of the bat for synapse. This about

31:42

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31:44

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31:46

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31:48

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32:56

idea however you know you'll get gave us

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a is a when I shall i myself

33:00

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33:02

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33:04

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34:21

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34:23

patient very unsettling suit the France England

34:25

games so that's tuck into it. Festival.

34:28

She started the and and the penalties. Decisions.

34:31

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34:33

penalty off year and I read to the

34:36

weekend without regret. A week four of us

34:38

out Haskell, Asa utter. Nonsense.

34:40

Ridiculous. The stupidest panty have ever seen.

34:42

There was nothing else he could have

34:45

done in a leap on any planet

34:47

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34:49

to the car because it's because when

34:51

he is because of but place on

34:53

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34:55

is what disability is is physically impossible

34:57

to wrapped his arm and that had

34:59

to have allergies are with you. Watch

35:01

it. Asteroid hit him is all

35:03

goes. our age is come through but shoulders

35:05

goddamn because those with hit sounds has was

35:07

also have an impact on the top. The

35:09

shoulder knocks rom that you can't rotate soda

35:11

backups also known as if either if the

35:13

the second person that was they are able

35:15

he would have probably carried a runny. it

35:17

was sort of he's got bumped yeah the

35:19

little bit and then and also think what

35:21

is it so it's a wasn't part of

35:23

what did not know in any way was

35:25

it pouncey and actually his moments or that

35:27

that that that there might be go. Are.

35:30

All the kids will love had to his rugby

35:32

complete eradicates. I think I was a complete waste.

35:34

Subtypes you rooney okay but as I fall I

35:36

think it comes back to the point. we made

35:38

off the back of Brown for where we celebrated

35:40

the five cm I kept out of it the

35:43

best played what they saw. the game was quick

35:45

and ever got on with it and what you

35:47

end up with now is a result the people

35:49

who live yeah that's what we have him over

35:51

which doesn't want to a wider to what what

35:53

the issue with his right hims and stick his

35:55

nose it still be five or six instance lot

35:57

of the game because of his and potatoes. Understand

36:00

why somebody or is bloated the fourth official right

36:02

on let me sit next to him ago as

36:04

it did the same again for the I guess

36:07

was his idea is him as I got know

36:09

about that's just a regular about we think that's

36:11

nonsense move on sorry to bother they put a

36:13

finger off the right about don't bother thrive like

36:15

a we're offering to possess has he has the

36:18

same again it is clear is fit a no

36:20

arms tackle is clear we fly at some arms

36:22

doubt is clear that is impossible things shouldn't be

36:24

brought up to be not so much a tap

36:26

on so that right rugby and said move on

36:29

w I said shut. Up Target impulse similar

36:31

know suing that the also set his

36:33

feet. Yes, I goes up and

36:35

stops to study see to make Sacco, you

36:37

don't do that. That's not no knowledge, no

36:39

obstacle, your fly up and you just gotta

36:42

have. Why can't they just so it was

36:44

on. That and common sense in the summer

36:46

is so difficult to manage to have begun.

36:48

Squeeze are so many intangibles. why. Why?

36:51

Did I bother calling out a stupid fifty fifty

36:53

once rights which happen all the time and games

36:56

from and if you've played the game you'll understand

36:58

the was nothing else been I could do that

37:00

it didn't didn't damage him, didn't harm him, he

37:02

tried to make an effort. it wasn't worth deciding

37:04

game on us and Robison unravel itself by doing

37:07

stuff like this all the time and it just

37:09

may be come out against. Why is it we

37:11

do? It's awesome. easier to to less of a

37:13

lot with less little the know the laws were

37:16

not on not defining high speed collision or not

37:18

there to manage this kind of stuff. There are

37:20

clear and obvious. Stuff stuff like that was

37:22

happens all the time. Leave it, move on.

37:24

Could you honestly damage in game of what

37:26

I just making people who don't understand the

37:29

game go. Why? Why do we

37:31

lose a game of that big all

37:33

things. The thing is the referees position

37:35

was on the right sides see that

37:37

road and he's not see they see

37:39

Will with it is the frustration of

37:41

okay which I think we could week

37:43

know of would go back on their

37:45

team. Though. Of raise their hands

37:47

and I was going on as stop else is

37:49

the place of the failed the way the rat to

37:52

bailey the was he can believe yes I agree to

37:54

agree to of eat or of them awesome Chino know

37:56

that it is that can do that was gonna find

37:58

me a prison goes in. The any free the

38:01

last six games that day where people would

38:03

die that he was fees showing up for

38:05

try to club record of about fifty of

38:07

exactly the same thing because his impossibility to

38:10

tackle somebody to ask him to drop sacrifice.

38:12

I would much rather that was someone's got

38:14

hit on top of the shoulder, knocked out,

38:17

bumped little bit. moved on. That's absolute nonsense

38:19

than the ones where they fly no arms

38:21

at your actions. You get to be wrong.

38:23

They happen all the time in every single

38:26

game so if it happens all the time.

38:28

Referees and forth officials this is. What you'll

38:30

there to do see. Let's say a

38:32

game Not there to police a game,

38:34

make the game flow, don't suck. The

38:37

game of don't interfere, facilitate and as

38:39

the gotten does that he said forgotten

38:41

that. So every and then sonos here

38:43

because they forgot to. The vets see

38:45

that you've now got snipped in a

38:47

box. With. Alive snacks button

38:49

is what the terrorists right and I suppose

38:52

it is at running the game, facilitate the

38:54

snitching. For. No reason because I'm

38:56

known Spartans of while the get both don't

38:58

get involved in this, there is something catastrophic

39:00

or somebody on the field is God's check

39:03

that. Don't. Com volunteering

39:05

not society that what you're gonna fancy

39:07

nonsense guess signed snitch to analyze it

39:09

for five time the idea was put

39:12

Narrator: go this Insights: Nature does not

39:14

right but main snakes don't snitch but

39:16

that for that is that is did

39:18

that. Also. At. At of somewhere

39:21

within the is a reason we sensible point

39:23

is how quickly somewhere how it because it

39:25

did quite easy to find it but other

39:27

with only the tear my was made that

39:30

decision now judging a where we are in

39:32

the game. What this could

39:34

potentially mean? He could

39:36

have gone back. They get the ball

39:39

for the the six seven phases sagittal

39:41

quite as to advantage. Oh yeah, he

39:43

could go back have a look at

39:45

that. And God shake, I

39:47

can see that she wrapped his out of

39:49

three hazard. he's made circle and called a

39:51

penalty. Yes, he could have just gone rest

39:54

just checking substantial foul play. As I let

39:56

you know it's a some five hours he

39:58

has was that the ground. The ever try.

40:00

The advice is tiger it takes that long

40:03

as that may. Angles and a still bulls

40:05

the up on a couple those games. I

40:07

still have yet to see that the instantly

40:09

snitching and aside and games have a son

40:12

or will it was. Sizes for the were

40:14

like I have a not enough official assistance

40:16

that assist assist rubber assistant referee to the

40:18

assistance and you got a lot. Minority report

40:21

go check that bomb look at it of

40:23

somebody knows rugby that he played it's of

40:25

on nope don't send it back. Dunk are

40:27

be ruined the game who have that facilities.

40:30

Dot Hall for them. wouldn't happen. Offer them

40:32

you'd analyze ago. Christ, he got his horribly

40:34

wrong. That's not bugger the game of that's

40:36

not slow. it does not ruin a seamless

40:38

you know a poverty amazing game from for

40:40

Benaud on a moment that no one in

40:42

the planet could have talked with that bloke.

40:45

that as the points nobody could have anything

40:47

to for the rest is it's physically impossible

40:49

to.it did. What happens if you absorb the

40:51

tackle rather than front a complete going to

40:53

keep a deadly there will always on plasma?

40:55

Yes yes but he would bump their policies.

40:57

you can't ask for terms is that you

40:59

can't have a games or meet with with

41:02

us he was saying about it yet. There.

41:04

Is a difference twins setting your feet

41:06

for a tackle and maybe not quite

41:08

finished he gave but you're low said

41:10

just. Diving. Forward cause the you

41:12

basically diving you could that's what they're talking

41:15

about. Hyperextending a neo he can do all

41:17

sorts for that was a does he run

41:19

up six feet wet, hit him and he

41:21

just hit the chauffeur at the last the

41:23

but lost the concert line happens every time.

41:25

other words it would be a score tries

41:27

you listen to the suckers well Charlotte he

41:29

wouldn't be surprised if people didn't do that

41:31

because otherwise if you went so high that

41:33

just rumba to delay i used to or

41:35

the for most to try that held up

41:37

someone's died in that negro is online down

41:39

and long from of law it yet some

41:41

sought. Some snitch in box or is

41:43

a school it was out on that

41:45

that where they all kinda I think

41:47

France will probably I just as were

41:49

do with his liking the did the

41:51

week before just out maybe a balancing

41:53

work time. I understand your point entirely

41:56

around Benaud. I'm going to say that

41:58

the game doesn't happen without referee. And

42:00

I understand about are doing the cat we

42:02

have to a referee I understand I understand

42:04

was italics about the mechanics of it I

42:06

do sage advice I think we have seen.

42:09

A move towards less T M O. A

42:11

over the course that the Six Nations I think with.

42:14

See. To move towards a slightly different type

42:16

of match coverage and a slightly different sort

42:18

of attitude towards speed in the game up

42:21

but oversee and assistance he has gone with

42:23

what he aneurysm. Please note that that in

42:25

England cannot be unhappy about losing that games

42:27

because what they did to eyes and wait

42:29

for France it's them. Yeah through in always

42:31

about overthrow nine out the a private which

42:34

I always knew exactly what else. Is it

42:36

a last resort to be good on his

42:38

rights? Our A Why? What's this is the

42:40

game but right They want a lot of

42:42

could both doors months at the back. Tale

42:45

Book is the best quality books that last

42:47

moment eve of a been on Oprah or

42:49

open all game to foresee and in a

42:51

balance who ball. For

42:53

them to be I get so fi qb outta

42:55

ya. It's it's it's it's all school that tries. Yeah.

42:58

You can't argue with that. The yeah,

43:00

that was bad execution, a bad place,

43:02

and that's narrow game and that's the

43:04

difference between consistent winning. Whereas aside, In

43:07

it would make the right decision or execute that

43:09

move and suddenly France don't winter but I think

43:11

he com and happy his own I'm not have

43:13

also have with a penalty goes up is the

43:15

rest the game as it was elected in like

43:17

amazon as a neutral we saw in a drawer

43:19

like France. Or. Tell him

43:22

who path was a great camera be high

43:24

scoring. England's did it again if England last

43:26

other every week played like the weather data

43:28

of a happy man because that was as

43:30

they played brilliantly as they already is of

43:33

again a gullible created in that game the

43:35

they beat in many of us for at

43:37

the decides created chaos I was victory torn

43:39

each house in that much for a lot

43:42

of and friends that see thrived on it's

43:44

yeah dad so with the offloads when you

43:46

play that d said Swedes di di be

43:48

good if people start getting off lowest people

43:51

running around. Doing you a real badass

43:53

can we go back to the macro

43:55

around settlement same because third of the

43:57

rugby world cup but not on love?

44:00

The first two games, the Six Nations wins,

44:02

but not gonna love it. A funny kind

44:04

of whether this is so I think it's

44:06

probably because the trace he'd already been listed

44:08

lifted in Dublin. The game in Lille felt

44:10

like a bit of sort of. The.

44:12

After the was a hell of a game

44:14

yeah but but the big dance had been

44:16

gone and so I sort of hours of

44:18

listen to what you'd said in previous weeks

44:20

which is play well lose but as long

44:23

he play well it it might imagine that

44:25

felt like the did the real outcome of

44:27

this not as I always thought that seeing

44:29

the losing pussy wasn't too bad A think

44:31

is the hype train is just not going

44:33

to get out control yet. So happy with

44:35

England but after really pushed aside I was

44:37

cut down at the start space yesterday to

44:39

the game to them as are they didn't

44:41

really show. Anything and then how they've come

44:44

through and he had both is takes

44:46

a huge amount of credit as was the

44:48

players but both as say yeah we have

44:50

seen did need to win those first

44:52

two games. He knew that he had to

44:55

windows two and then he could ever

44:57

lasher the the other three and he did

44:59

and in our the people he commands say

45:01

we're both has been a plus. Tude

45:03

Martin's been a plus. Tommy Fly Tommy Frame

45:06

is be the most of us of for

45:08

a sir bank's pay that plenty commercial

45:10

lox. ah that Michiel looks good. You've also.

45:12

Got slate. Yeah sounds the site looks

45:14

more settled you've got. I saw I

45:16

think of is from five yeah thought

45:18

you were the keeps has met at

45:21

sake so he still got people's come

45:23

back in you've got some carry he

45:25

owed. On the hills based. Try

45:28

again I thought George Forward plays a

45:30

lot better in that games like muslims

45:32

us and flat out of the tournament

45:34

and that sort of airplanes plus the

45:37

speed of the routes Yoda has talked

45:39

about how good their rookie the oh

45:41

how could the out Spain So yeah

45:44

from that point of view. Where

45:46

I was I not is the best would

45:48

we we have seen since twenty don't take

45:51

because you've gone through the same is is

45:53

the perfect moment Put in a high fly

45:55

of the week segment. It is actually recently

45:57

be the better hi fi of the week

45:59

segment. The your account or another bought by

46:01

very good friends a British Airways is set of

46:04

us picking us We with us you to find

46:06

to select the British Airways hi fi of the

46:08

we've are Instagram and we have i'm afraid

46:10

band and of soy to do to see of

46:12

the back of a stellar seasons. We've decided that

46:15

you've won it too many times. six times Allied

46:17

since the well couple months. Which.

46:19

I think me to begin it. In. A Spirit of

46:21

Twenty Twenty Four giving a price to of

46:23

America had out to others. The shortlist that

46:25

was selected includes Tommy Freeman. Thing.

46:27

Was taught me to make out. took

46:30

his try brilliantly first try for England

46:32

as him france a big on defenses

46:34

well george forty just mentioned play much

46:36

fat of the line one hundred said

46:38

gokey which is a brilliant response after

46:41

top of the on the in that

46:43

pony get started on an Alice a

46:45

boy who was our system is hanif

46:47

his so I guess media a todo

46:49

carried well. Defended. Well and

46:52

also the his to ponds as well

46:54

as bad as up an ulcer as

46:56

lovely as close. As. We don't

46:58

have a word on at us. As easy as

47:00

it is. you've mentioned a couple times that the

47:02

spirit was in every some we aren't any. what

47:04

brings every time you ask anyone are in Bjp

47:06

joined I remember that yeah Jamie George has led

47:08

really well as captain. I think the settle he's

47:10

have had a hard time. I'm. Emotionally

47:12

I'm losing. losing his mother Earth has galvanized

47:15

that the team and the you never know

47:17

what customers going to say so difficult periods

47:19

are to embrace. But everyone you ask continues

47:22

says about the impact that the Alice has

47:24

it. also new guys whose might be different

47:26

Alice comes over, he talks was he gets

47:28

involved, he sets his dad the he's the

47:31

most as he talks the old heads who's

47:33

get involved. Hussein charts Ellis and I think

47:35

I think he will be an English as

47:38

he deserves to be because the impact his

47:40

habits as he is playing consistently. Consisting.

47:43

Well he's such a dynamic spread across the across

47:45

the park and are an ice. I just love

47:47

how how good a player he's he is. One

47:49

man is turned into and. I

47:52

just the isa either made him an argument so I'd give

47:54

it said so to Ellis on the on the that grounds

47:56

like just because if I was the if someone is him

47:58

an impact cause soreness, anything. The guy who stood up

48:01

when if you look to english home and twin

48:03

rest the guys were tied off with were with

48:05

a leisurely come from. Is. One

48:07

of them said it's a toss up between

48:09

all three of them because Freeman. Was

48:12

a say. Is. A death

48:14

for here to say I was hey

48:17

did you read that Lustig tackle on

48:19

pillow if never got through. Have also

48:21

played that last phase of the last

48:23

phase where whereabouts of the Penalty A

48:25

way to tap title and Pillow. Because.

48:28

He was dollars. If he ever got through

48:30

their think they score and will use the

48:32

emma try and that he bears to say

48:34

to make the cover tackle into the touch

48:36

to extend. Ended up giving the penalty back

48:39

where it was carries his. Intent to

48:41

attack his intent to watch you want

48:43

to defend his what else at the

48:45

ready to that biggest get the way

48:47

other restart are have I rented say

48:49

Ivo may also as hits a tough

48:51

time everywhere you go out of surprises

48:54

these kind of on a jury that

48:56

lot of he says you to the

48:58

playground that say yeah I would give

49:00

this to frame which is really interesting

49:02

because the fans have selected Jewish food

49:04

and I really like that because I

49:06

think it's part of the changing narrative

49:08

around the Sigma. He's taken assistant manager.

49:10

After he and he's had he's at a

49:13

rough whole time up here. is it as

49:15

England career and yet I think it's fantastic

49:17

that. The. Fans are. A

49:20

minute with what would you say about it

49:23

because it is similar Ready to Steve Borthwick

49:25

who's been through a bit of a journey.

49:28

Particular. Over the last seven weeks and yet I

49:30

think most people would. Now said you the Wolf Pfc

49:32

don't know what he's doing in that box As the

49:34

team I'm moving in the right direction a juice been

49:36

up see instrument the I say nothing of that as

49:38

A as a. Yeah. Steve

49:41

we to talked about to start the

49:43

tone with that This really is his

49:45

first. Opportunity way he's

49:47

so of Manny's the table and a sore

49:49

from here we go forward scare it was

49:51

button down the hatches in the will read

49:53

the woke up and just try and get

49:55

through and try when those games we get

49:58

out there who lives whereas now is. The

50:00

highway can see where he should have

50:02

been taking over. This is where he

50:04

should be taking over and he would

50:06

be rolling into it without any history.

50:09

I'm so happy for him because I think

50:12

he has shown that you can change the

50:14

way they will supply us and of see

50:16

George foods is at the center of that

50:18

am near what whether you would have started

50:20

at the start the tournament as much as

50:22

befits but that's go through this yes he

50:24

gets most a little bit last week for

50:27

is kicking and to respond in a way.

50:29

That. He did playing flat the line. People

50:31

like that they do notice it when you

50:34

are help the if is that posse that

50:36

caught that past the quick tap on it

50:38

under pressure that where we scored the fourth

50:40

try. I'm in at attention to detail have

50:43

be bringing the week in a people to

50:45

the oh in a billion students are I

50:47

still. To. This day and the

50:49

best. Attack the I've ever had

50:52

against me. Was. George Ford,

50:54

John Joseph Scotty's months rocket a

50:56

gurney and him a brand so

50:58

flat the line the Blitz defensive

51:00

was used to have and honest

51:02

to god. Those. People Angles body

51:05

set. You couldn't decipher it. So a

51:07

daughter who wants to play.that has the

51:09

ability to buy that last. think. These

51:12

definite confidence guy because you can see that

51:14

because you know he he has got hammered

51:16

but also after Argentina game or we said

51:19

it was a seminal performance of his I

51:21

stop goes those moments his quest Macys peaked

51:23

that me so finished and then become Six

51:25

nations bit flat he's come in and finish

51:27

on the high no I definitely that militia

51:29

who oh about yes I would. but also

51:31

with that consistency and selection allows that their.

51:34

Pillows you to sit in there and

51:36

know how you gonna play and he

51:38

just he just grow. He lives like

51:40

Patch will homes. He. Had zag they

51:42

have. Tried. To Erode way Tuesday where

51:45

they come up with their own moves and

51:47

they can do it and they get to

51:49

run it in a thing that are like

51:51

a stick. He'll start getting that sort of.

51:53

I hope you'll start getting that sort of

51:55

system where the player so take over about

51:57

how the wants to do and they manages

51:59

a d. The first

52:01

race tries what we're getting and yo the

52:03

feds to go to the Us I lose

52:05

sight of was defensive problem with of of

52:08

may but as because you made people make

52:10

bad decisions well.george Ford he is up or

52:12

so is high slot of the week Adversaries

52:14

are connected people to over one hundred ninety

52:16

destinations across wealth of in a spot your

52:18

next adventure head over to be a. Dot.

52:21

Com. Can I just

52:23

had one of the bags were talking

52:25

about? That was the change in narrative

52:27

around the seeing the team which I

52:29

think has had a serious make a

52:31

the and it's steals positive again one

52:33

of the that There's very little room

52:35

for sentimentality. At top level sport.

52:38

But but the way the Steve Borthwick has

52:40

given and another haven't what mattered now is

52:42

off to buy on but the way that

52:44

man who came back for one final farewell

52:47

as a as a great of the modern

52:49

English game the way that daddy care who

52:51

could have possibly been. The

52:53

United said thanks for the end of the Scotland

52:55

game which would have left him on I did

52:57

when he came back for that phenomenal kind of

52:59

story of the hundred than the whenever out of

53:01

which were very well. Not only has he given

53:03

both of those to play as one final say

53:05

whether the chance for fans to say thank you

53:07

but it's as she was begun the it's Created

53:09

story that England fans. Have tapped

53:11

into. And I just wanted to

53:13

sort of touch on that because you took a

53:16

lot a lot of people talk about see what

53:18

they perceive him as a sort of data driven

53:20

girl special of the people person and him has

53:22

created the i got my father's is out as

53:24

that's why. that's why if you slip back into

53:26

the psychology behind it he got asked. To

53:29

date yet appropriate his knee. And.

53:31

I told they digiorno in that lox I

53:33

said same as captain illegal act silly how

53:36

many that he doesn't Ten parents who in

53:38

or whatever it was. And

53:40

it was all for the try to positive he tried to

53:42

be. A tendency to

53:44

all sorts of pets are fundamentally. he's a

53:46

lovely, really kind man wrapped up in class

53:49

stiff the main up which you know Republic

53:51

possibly put up. not just in general, I

53:53

is just a big man. From pressed until

53:55

I mean I'd I would say that Ray

53:57

of Sunshine would look at him. Go south,

53:59

What's your. Kelly will go. It sparked

54:01

Vienna would you? But actually if he was

54:03

a little the service he's one of the

54:05

was kind of dedicated people. He. Helped

54:08

me credibly to my threats was a massive

54:10

drive forced while England seem worse, successful under

54:12

I'm Eddie Jones and the Line Analyze a

54:14

happy be in oath. He made it fun

54:17

and he helped me improve and he cared.

54:19

Leaves a good man and if he were

54:21

to drop abuse puts a side by side

54:23

not playing crazed would you have thought we

54:25

go on? nope but we actually did. We

54:27

switch to trains going to be see what

54:30

he's a brilliant brilliant guys are I think

54:32

a sense mentality amount as a is import

54:34

because he was. I was told that is

54:36

don't have any operations and we. Will bring

54:38

you back in and they use his excuse to

54:40

never pick him a draw for many. Never played

54:42

for England again and that hurts doesn't matter in

54:44

I go about my sister's capital gains, lead a

54:47

team out getting given it eight minutes out in

54:49

his grandson decided against real by Wales on never

54:51

forgiven for their anatomy because I never got that

54:53

moment. I never got Danny Cameraman. I never got

54:55

those those bits months so is important in sport

54:57

because who will play with teams and playing friends

54:59

and time of the most it's There are very

55:02

few moments you get suits earmarks of course you're

55:04

always wham bam Thank you Ma'am Onto the next

55:06

mates. I think he's a brilliant manager. As

55:08

he can be as he's can write these

55:10

players and I think in are just as

55:12

he isn't great and from the media us

55:14

who is nice and centimeter but not what

55:16

we we snacks of grandstanding which will you

55:18

know but we don't need everyone to grants

55:20

out as that's why I have the the

55:23

juxtaposition between the in a you have he

55:25

got into our preempting pre warning and freeloading

55:27

and far into a disease fi rather grace

55:29

You'd see both sometimes the doing details and

55:31

same way I see things why feel such

55:33

I think it has it really was. He's

55:35

very poor. we have moments that because sport

55:37

doesn't owe. You anything a lot of times and

55:39

most was lucky to get up every now need

55:41

to do the right thing it does. He look

55:43

him and as he scratches is Richard Wigglesworth as

55:46

well. Haganah when everyone's credibility and credentials were being

55:48

challenged. enormous the of that Scotland Gay but you

55:50

know a good get a play on a school

55:52

for cracking tries. Were

55:54

doing the go from here and what I'm mean

55:56

by that is you've mentioned in Lord of the.

55:59

Guys. Really shown for England of

56:01

the lost some weight at a lot

56:03

of the youngsters really. We got a

56:05

new. New. Breed coming

56:08

through. Do they take Joe Marler

56:10

die and Co Danny care if

56:12

he wants to down to New

56:14

Zealand? Do they say. Year. Old

56:16

Have yourself a summer off of the back

56:18

of a woke up and let's see how

56:20

you doing in September? At what point do

56:22

you bring in extra poke if is your

56:25

from the other twenties except for. And

56:27

bed Spencer potentially and nine am and

56:29

a half or hello to continue with

56:31

with what seems to be progressing quite

56:34

nicely as a squad set consistency question

56:36

if he got chance get and season

56:38

eve go take. He. Go to

56:40

war he came. He will still go to

56:42

win now whether that means you can sit.

56:45

If. Someone younger is simply a some

56:47

positions that you're getting. At.

56:51

The. Eat that you're getting paid the long

56:53

in the teeth then then so be it.

56:56

Now he will stay away at New Zealand.

56:58

These I to it is their scrum. As.

57:01

Begin. To be as big a factor

57:03

is playing he have friends with a

57:05

with a metric ton of me coming

57:07

through a tsunami set as at Tokyo's

57:10

your that ago. maybe maybe on this

57:12

it again Susie the for rose you

57:14

probably could cost of maybe they're a

57:16

little bit. More. On the does

57:18

yes you have a slight not trusting are

57:20

always idea radical is a radical present as

57:22

it is not a while. I was the

57:24

regular fagan Reza with phase you have you

57:27

have to be I'd say he still has

57:29

continued to build on the she can't wait

57:31

he couldn't take a fully experimental team that

57:33

easier to do as well or the widespread

57:35

pick The best people informed says you're not

57:37

worry about smart set out I just think.

57:40

I think guy there is distances right enough at it

57:42

does matter how way phase of every ship that step

57:44

up to insufferably is one thing step up to new

57:47

Zealand side that we that we don't we have to

57:49

buy speyside the world but they you know that was

57:51

your beaten and out that in that file but still

57:53

for the free very good said as he broke teams

57:55

aren't tracking they've now got the guy that led to

57:58

presided to back to back to back to. In

58:00

charge of them He knows how to motivate are

58:02

these very dangerous place to go in for everyone

58:04

developments or you gotta go play Your best players

58:06

are don't care why they are is a tearing

58:08

up trees and is plenty of time the premiership

58:11

to do that in egypt and then you then

58:13

look at. You. Know how much experience

58:15

they have? Well I mean in a colon

58:17

and and Marla mean it in article two

58:19

Hundred Cats is William. I would say they

58:21

out the. Best. Thing you

58:23

can try do is all that that

58:25

twenty or whatever. The thirty the removed.

58:28

In the Six Nations have credit

58:30

in the bank so you should

58:33

try and stick. To. That

58:35

twenty three. As much as

58:37

he can't give more consistency, more ability

58:39

to bond as a T, more com

58:41

a more comfort A were in the

58:43

jersey and knowing it's either you, it's

58:45

yours and you can so really so

58:48

desolate. never get used to play the

58:50

position. That would be the best way

58:52

of me going forward to see what

58:54

that can then delivery. What a tournament

58:56

I was thinking from a Netflix produces

58:58

point of view they should be more

59:00

have a story lines were tonic, has

59:03

hundreds moccasins. Drop Go down Van de

59:05

Merwe, Double Copies is ticking. T Odd

59:07

is within France. Found his lines had coached

59:09

the under current all of it judo on

59:11

what did want to put it because of

59:13

him. Funny at a computer is a constant

59:15

ties question of the week. It's

59:18

late, but it's a good one from

59:21

James Thomas. Should the Six Nations take

59:23

one game? A seasoned. To. Las

59:25

Vegas. When

59:28

we got the right man encourage Also this

59:30

was I was the one hundred percent which

59:32

gay would you take. Who. Does

59:34

in Iowa the same and and have

59:37

a day matters. Why was it has?

59:39

it's because America is a sleeping giant

59:41

of rugby. The the bugs me whether

59:43

any thirty one flushing traveling bands going

59:46

over there hype spectacle as that ability

59:48

for America's the activate would be pretty

59:50

special. I would give us an opportunity

59:53

as former players but none evolved. Also

59:55

hoover a boat, load a cat and

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explain to the Americans what's going on.

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Vanessa wish to end was Six Nations it

1:03:03

has been, we sort of sifted through the

1:03:05

highs and lows and the comings and goings,

1:03:07

but I'll happily agree that it's been a

1:03:09

hell of a tournament this yet. Whether that

1:03:11

would involve Weldon the odd who stand tourist

1:03:13

at the end of do that is it

1:03:15

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