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Hey everyone, Ray here, and I've got a new
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book recommendation for you. When
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Hazel Ying Li's US Army plane went
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down in a Texas field during World
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War II, the farmer chased her
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around the plane with a pitchfork. First,
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because he thought she was Japanese, and
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second, because female fliers were only just
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beginning to fly in the Air Corps.
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the life of Li, revealed in a new
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fledgling aviation industry, Li
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was fearless, talented, and driven.
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to earn her pilot's license. She
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was the only Chinese-American pilot
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in the legendary WASPs, highly
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trained civilians, delivering military planes
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for the war effort. Li also
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faced repeated discrimination, as
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a child of Chinese immigrants because
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of the Chinese Exclusionary Act, as
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a woman, as an American, and
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even posthumously as a civilian. But
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her passion for flying would never abate.
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She would open doors for women in
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aviation, although not immediately. It
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would be another 30 years before women were
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allowed to fly military aircraft in the US
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Air Force. And another
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year before Congress finally granted
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the WASPs military status and
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eventually veteran status. The
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life of the great Hazel Ying Li,
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American Fly Girl, from Kensington Publishing is
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Hello, and thank you for listening
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to The History of World War
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II Podcast, Episode 462. When
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fighting for your life, you can never go
1:51
too far. Last
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time, three series of luck
1:57
and back-breaking work, the German-romaining
1:59
offensive heading towards Odessa had
2:01
been delayed enough to allow
2:03
multiple defensive rings to be carved into
2:05
the earth around the city. Still,
2:08
the Axis forces came closer while
2:11
the various Soviet rifle divisions fell
2:13
back, and now that
2:15
all the defenders were behind some
2:17
kind of line or another, the
2:19
enemy forces began to throw themselves
2:21
at these lines, their objective being
2:24
to enter Odessa. Having
2:26
said that, the Stavka knew that one
2:28
of three things would happen. Odessa
2:31
would hold out, or it would not,
2:33
or it would remain defiant long enough
2:35
to launch raids against
2:37
the remaining oil fields, hopefully
2:40
shifting the focus of Bucharest
2:42
and Berlin. But no
2:44
serious Soviet officer could think that Odessa
2:46
would remain defiant for the rest of
2:49
this war. That seemed,
2:51
for all intents and purposes, impossible.
2:55
On August 11th and 12th, the Axis
2:57
launched nine major attacks at some part
2:59
of the outer line. Problem
3:01
was, all the digging that had been done had
3:04
been done by civilians, leaving the
3:06
troops relatively fresh, and in
3:09
that state, they stomped all those
3:11
attacks, while killing at least 4,000
3:13
attackers. The
3:16
Axis were smart enough to bring
3:18
tanks to where they could, but
3:20
ended up losing tank crews and
3:23
tanks as the desperate Soviets used
3:25
anti-tank artillery and the up-touch clothes
3:27
of Molotov cocktails. These
3:30
measures destroyed 13 German
3:32
tanks, and seven Axis planes were
3:34
removed from the sky by Soviet
3:36
fighters. Not that
3:38
this could go on forever, but
3:40
the defenders were starting out well,
3:42
knowing well what would happen to
3:45
them if Odessa fell. Not
3:47
that the invaders did not keep on
3:50
encroaching, ever closer through no man's land
3:52
to the closest defensive line, which
3:54
meant that the Soviet troops, when not
3:56
fighting, continued the siege works, as it
3:59
was now too dangerous. dangerous to have
4:01
that many civilians nearby. Mostly
4:03
what they worked on was
4:05
improving, i.e. widening and deepening
4:07
the anti-tank ditches. Not
4:10
that the civilians' work was over. Within
4:13
the city, though on its
4:15
edges, barricades continued to be
4:17
built, as were anti-tank obstacles
4:19
and other fortifications. Even
4:21
if the enemy got this far, their
4:24
fight would not be over. The
4:26
Stavka realized this early on that
4:29
attrition was one of their better
4:32
weapons. Cruel? Yes,
4:34
but in the defense of the state, very
4:36
little was left out of bounds.
4:39
As the outermost Soviet defenders were
4:41
some 20 kilometers from the city's
4:43
edge, that meant for now,
4:46
its occupants were safe from artillery
4:48
fire. Zooming out, basically
4:50
the defense of Odessa had an
4:52
estuary on either side or either
4:54
end. The modern-day Nista
4:56
to the southwest of Odessa and
4:59
the Azolik to the northeast. Back
5:02
to the fighting, as these nine rather
5:04
large thrusts had not prevailed, the Romanians,
5:07
starting on August 12, reduced
5:09
their attacks to groups of one or
5:12
two battalions, backed by tanks, of course.
5:15
Several sections were hit, but nothing came of it.
5:18
Then it seemed that that had not
5:20
been the plan all along. After
5:23
those areas were hit and repulsed,
5:25
for the next two days, Axis
5:28
artillery shells targeted those same points
5:30
along the Soviet defenses, to be
5:32
followed up by more attacks, but
5:35
something closer to the original larger
5:37
offenses. But these two were
5:40
held back with blood spilled on both
5:42
sides, though fighting and loss
5:44
of life was more intense to the
5:46
east of Odessa. Again,
5:48
just outside today's small Anzalik estuary
5:50
to the north of Odessa, the
5:53
fighting had been most fierce, and
5:55
the Romanians managed to push some
5:57
of the defending units back. When
6:00
these men learned that they had been
6:02
the weakest point, they literally
6:04
threw themselves at the Romanians
6:06
again and again until the
6:08
lines were back to where they were.
6:11
This was heroic, but many more dead
6:13
had to be dealt with. Besides,
6:16
as these attacks went on,
6:18
other Axis formations continued spreading
6:20
along the half-circle front until
6:23
their farthest man to the west and
6:25
east of Odessa on August 13th was
6:27
standing next
6:29
to the Black Sea. The
6:31
Odessa fortress and all its landlines
6:34
were cut off from the wider war.
6:37
And with all these land routes cut off
6:39
outside of the Odessa lines, the only way
6:41
to leave or enter the city was by
6:44
sea. But the Black Sea
6:46
Fleet would do more than just resupply
6:48
the defenders of Odessa. No, they
6:51
would participate in any way they could
6:53
assist. With all the land routes
6:55
cut off, it was only a
6:57
matter of time before the Romanian navy, with
6:59
the help of German planes, attempted
7:01
to cut off the port city. It
7:04
was the Soviet Black Sea's fleet's job
7:06
to not only counter this, but to
7:08
go on the attack themselves, hitting Romanian
7:11
port cities, thus making it harder for
7:13
them to launch attacks.
7:16
But given that the immediate threat was
7:18
from the land, some naval units were
7:20
put ashore with their weapons to help
7:22
with the defenses here. As
7:25
for the ships themselves, their larger guns
7:27
were to help keep the enemy away
7:29
from the coastal army. But
7:31
if all this and more failed, the last
7:34
act of the Black Sea Fleet was
7:36
to undertake to evacuate all who
7:38
could be before the enemy
7:40
was inside the city. As
7:44
for the ongoing ground war, the Soviets
7:46
did what they did best. They
7:49
were focused on the resources of the
7:51
state, including people, on a problem. They
7:54
reorganized, i.e. focused their overall
7:56
defensive structure in command and
7:59
areas of responsibility. Keeping
8:01
the lay of the land rather simple,
8:03
think of a half-circle protractor with Odessa
8:06
at the center of its flat base.
8:09
Of course that protractor has to be
8:11
tilted a bit to the left to
8:13
capture the nature of the geographic coastline.
8:17
On August 13th, Army Commander
8:19
General Sifranov broke his entire
8:21
area into three sections. The
8:24
eastern sector to the north of the
8:26
city that went from the Kazibi estuary
8:29
that is the closer of the two
8:31
smaller estuaries to the north of Odessa,
8:34
given the way the coastline goes
8:36
to the southeast to the coastline
8:38
at Pre-Ressep. Think due
8:41
north of Odessa, but basically the
8:43
almost land bridge leading to Odessa
8:45
from the estuary right above the
8:47
city. The length to be
8:50
shielded was about 40 kilometers, and
8:52
was manned by the 54th Rifle
8:54
Regiment, the first regiment of the
8:56
Navy Infantry, the 26th NKVD Composite
8:59
Border Guards Regiment, and the Rifle
9:01
Battalion of the 136th
9:03
Reserve Regiment. All of
9:06
these were placed under the command
9:08
of S.F. Monakov. The
9:10
western sector, but for us we should
9:12
think of it as the northern sector
9:15
as it ran from the eastern sector
9:17
to the southwest, thus parallel to the
9:19
port city itself, until it
9:21
came to the Nista estuary. For
9:23
continuity, we will call it the western
9:25
sector as it is relative to the
9:28
lay of the land, but it is
9:30
to the northwest of Odessa.
9:33
This section was commanded by
9:35
Major General V.F. Virobev, commander
9:37
of the 95th Rifle Division.
9:40
He had under him the
9:42
90th, 161st, and
9:45
241st Rifle Regiments of his
9:48
95th Rifle Division, as well as
9:50
the 1st Machine Gun Battalion of
9:52
the Terrace Bowl 4-5 District, which
9:55
leaves the 3rd and final sector,
9:57
the southern sector. The
10:00
negative side, it was the longest other
10:02
sectors but on a positive side the
10:04
majority of it was covered by the
10:07
nice to eschew. Where does the invaders
10:09
would have to cross water to get
10:11
to the defenders and be in the
10:14
open while doing so. They.
10:16
Cover the estuaries plus the land
10:18
bridge below it that led to
10:20
the coast. Commanding as sector was
10:23
Colonel A as the Harass and
10:25
his Twenty Fifth Rifle Division along
10:27
with the second composite missing a
10:30
battalion or the Terrorists bowl Forty
10:32
Five District. There. Were units
10:34
in reserve of course for when the
10:36
enemy came and a breakthrough seemed possible,
10:39
On. That note, the naval guns
10:41
in the area were also
10:43
assigned sections to lob shells
10:45
at their sector should the
10:47
need arise. To there
10:50
is air forces were given
10:52
specific areas as well but
10:54
considering how small overall the
10:56
Odessa area was each section
10:58
with pigeon if needed. And.
11:01
They would be needed. And the fighting
11:03
in the air thus far has been just
11:05
as intense as the fighting on the ground.
11:08
Having said that, the airstrips
11:10
on land began to disappear
11:12
as the Axis forces moved
11:14
in. Suits. It was
11:16
mostly up to naval base fighters to
11:18
defend the skies. Proper airfields
11:21
would soon beat further and
11:23
further away as the Germans
11:25
continue to push east. Back
11:28
on August eighth, a flight commander
11:31
has flown right at a German
11:33
bomber formation. The Soviet pilot shot
11:35
down the classes bombers and the
11:37
rest turned for home. Have you
11:39
know escort that is as know
11:41
Russian fighters were expected. The
11:44
next day. August ninth, two. so
11:46
the pilots spotted nine you could
11:48
bombers and flew into their path
11:50
to disrupt their bomb run. It
11:52
didn't hurt that the lead bomber
11:54
was also taken out. Now
11:57
that the race was on, but the bombers
11:59
had not. Dropped are loads so they're
12:01
extra weight. allow the fighters to catch
12:03
up to them. Soon. Another
12:06
bomber was heading down for the last
12:08
time. Now the
12:10
remaining bombers drops are loads and
12:12
sped up, but not before a
12:15
third bomber was last. Just.
12:17
Stand for Measure Smuts joined the
12:19
fray, as did to more subdued
12:21
fighters. The Flight elements
12:23
leader Lieutenant Zarar as flew out
12:26
the German fighters to keep them
12:28
busy. But. He paid
12:30
the price soon. his cockpit
12:32
was damaged beyond hope. Key
12:34
to went down. For.
12:36
The last time. But
12:38
the dog fight was an over just
12:40
yet soon. six more so we'd fighters
12:43
came into view. Perhaps. Over
12:45
component by their numbers, a captain's
12:47
hello balls were soon heading down
12:49
as well. But. The measure
12:51
Smith added him in was quickly
12:53
damaged, but when the pilot then
12:55
change go had been shooting up
12:58
the German side or two more
13:00
of them had pounced on him.
13:02
Soon his engine was shut downs,
13:04
but he still had nominal control.
13:07
Going in for a force landings to
13:09
to measure Smith solid him down. To.
13:12
Finish him off. Not. Exactly
13:14
cricket, but this left them open
13:16
to to morse of insiders following
13:18
them down. Within. Seconds one
13:20
of those German planes was smoking.
13:23
Followed. By fire. As
13:26
this German air attacks had already
13:28
cost three bombers and three measure
13:30
Smith's with nothing to show for
13:32
it's the remaining aircraft turned for
13:34
hope. Perhaps.
13:36
Taking their life would be better if
13:39
they attack from the see the next
13:41
day August tenth loot was a fighters
13:43
approached from the south but such was
13:46
the alert look out the incoming threat
13:48
the spotted and fighters from the Ninth
13:50
Cider Aviation Regiment. Was. Soon in the
13:52
air, Sue. tenet carpet costs
13:54
down one of the attackers on
13:57
his very first pass followed by
13:59
a satisfying splash. Then
14:02
two other Soviet pilots double teamed
14:04
another measurement, ending with the
14:06
same result. This was clearly
14:09
not the weak spot the invaders were
14:11
hoping for. The rest of the air
14:13
threat turned for home. Perhaps
14:16
taking a break would lower the vigilance
14:18
of the lookouts. So two days later,
14:20
August 12th, more German
14:22
bombers returned. But as before,
14:25
a bomber was taken out even
14:27
before getting over Odessa. And
14:30
then when a second bomber splashed into
14:32
the Black Sea, the rest went back
14:34
the way they came. These
14:37
failed attempts followed for a few more
14:39
days. In fact, the Soviet fighters were
14:41
able to down enemy planes while even
14:43
further away from Odessa. This
14:46
gave the Soviet political machinery of
14:49
Odessa time to assess their
14:51
true weak spots in terms of ground
14:53
troops and bringing up some of the
14:55
party youth members to the front lines.
14:59
But less tangible, the Soviet apparatus
15:01
was given time to build their
15:03
numbers as well. And through various
15:05
media channels, they not only
15:07
reminded the men and women on the front
15:09
line what they were fighting for, but
15:12
that victory was possible as long
15:14
as everyone did their part to
15:17
the utmost. Not wasting
15:19
the time gained by these various
15:21
local defensive victories in the
15:23
air and on the ground, the
15:25
local committees went over and over
15:27
every aspect of their ability to
15:29
defend. Nothing was
15:31
to be left out. This was mainly
15:34
due to thinking they were facing overwhelming
15:36
odds and it was only a matter
15:38
of time before all was
15:40
lost. Thus, there was no such
15:43
thing as too much intelligent defense
15:45
and defense in depth. One
15:48
area that was improved was the recovery
15:50
and repair of any kind of weapon.
15:52
The reoccurring question in those early days
15:55
of August was, how
15:57
can we be doing this better? As
16:00
for those young communist members or those who
16:02
had never fought before, first
16:05
they were given basic instruction and put
16:07
together in groups of 1,200 men. What
16:11
followed was a series of
16:13
duties that started with guarding
16:15
the immediate lines near Odessa,
16:18
but moving closer to the front after
16:20
a cycle. By the
16:22
time they reached the front, the
16:24
outermost line, they had seen and
16:26
experienced much. It would
16:28
have to do. Going
16:31
back to the air war, with the Germans launching
16:33
12 to 15 air raids a
16:35
day, some did get
16:37
through. As this was
16:39
unavoidable, the city officials were equally
16:41
thorough with their fire brigades and
16:44
rescue squads. A part of
16:46
this response to the air threat was to dig
16:48
almost 5,000 trenches
16:50
for people to lie in during
16:53
an air raid. On
16:56
August 15, the Southern Front's
16:58
military council made a tour of the
17:00
front lines and then thanked everyone for
17:02
everything they had done. It
17:05
ended with mentioning the thousands
17:07
of fascist bodies seen, along with
17:09
their officers in front of the
17:11
northeastern section of the outermost line.
17:14
The implied message was, there
17:17
was plenty room for more. The
17:20
Romanians must have also noticed their war
17:22
dead, with nothing to show for it.
17:25
Clearly, a change was needed. So
17:28
instead of coming from the northeast
17:30
relative to Odessa, they would
17:32
now shift their access to the northwest.
17:35
Further, there was also to be
17:37
a general offensive along the entire
17:39
defensive line. If
17:41
the northwestern section broke, all to the
17:43
good. But at the very least, if
17:46
the two ends near the coast could
17:48
be pushed in a bit, then
17:51
Odessa's port facilities would come
17:53
within artillery range. And
17:55
to destroy the city's ability to load
17:57
and unload ships would be a good
17:59
idea. the beginning of their
18:01
end. The Romanians
18:04
brought up their reserves. During
18:06
all this fighting so far on
18:08
the ground, the Axis had seven
18:11
infantry divisions, one tank brigade and
18:13
two cavalry brigades. Soon
18:15
two more infantry divisions and another
18:17
cavalry brigade were on their way.
18:20
When the reserves arrived, the attack plan
18:22
had to be changed again due to
18:24
geography. The tanks would come
18:26
for the northeast as the ground was better
18:29
suited for them there. On
18:31
August 15th, the latest
18:33
attack got underway. Sure
18:35
enough, the Romanian 15th Infantry
18:38
Division and the 1st Cavalry Brigade
18:40
attacked from the east, supported by
18:42
a large number of tanks and
18:44
air support. This area was
18:47
defended by less than one full
18:49
division, yet Brigadier Commander
18:51
Monakov urged his men to fight.
18:54
This overwhelming thrust came right
18:57
at the men of the
18:59
1st Regiment of Naval Infantry,
19:01
commanded by a veteran, Colonel
19:03
Osepov. Wave after wave
19:05
of men and tanks hit the line.
19:07
Behind this main point, the Luftwaffe
19:10
bombed the reserves waiting to feed
19:12
themselves into the fray. This
19:15
went on until after sunset. And
19:18
then the inevitable happened. Two
19:21
battalions of Romanian infantry with tank
19:23
support broke through and took a
19:25
section of the line and
19:27
its rear area. This
19:30
looked like the beginning of the end,
19:32
where the entire defensive position of Odessa
19:35
was about to be unraveled like an
19:37
onion. To wit, Osepov must
19:39
have said, not on my
19:41
watch. He gathered what meant he
19:43
could and he counterattacked. Of
19:45
course, this was not all about bravado.
19:48
Before they moved out, Osepov had been
19:51
in contact with a destroyer and a
19:53
gunboat on the Black Sea and he
19:55
gave them coordinates to fire on. The
19:58
ship's large turrets let loose the ship. for a while,
20:01
and then the defenders rushed forward,
20:04
and such was their intensity
20:06
that one Romanian battalion was
20:08
actually driven into the estuary
20:10
behind them, and many
20:12
drowned. But there was still
20:14
another battalion and tanks to deal
20:16
with, more than enough to cause
20:18
havoc among the defenders, but
20:20
they were dealt with by
20:23
one man, a sailor named
20:25
S. Climenco. Having
20:27
used the darkness to get him behind
20:30
the remaining attackers, he waited until well
20:32
positioned, with a line of enemy troops
20:35
just ahead of him, and then he
20:37
raised his light machine gun. Spring
20:40
bullets from right to left, enemy troops
20:42
were falling like pins, in the dozens.
20:45
The rest weren't exactly sure what was going
20:47
on, but they saw their comrades fall in
20:49
front of them. The survivors ran
20:52
back to the north. As
20:54
for the tanks, without infantry support, they
20:57
knew they were vulnerable, so they
20:59
made their own hasty retreat, and
21:02
just like that, this latest
21:04
threat was over. But
21:07
the German-driven Romanians were not done
21:09
attacking, and they would be back
21:12
with more tanks, and there would
21:14
be more breakthroughs, specifically
21:16
at this same location. The
21:19
thinking was, the defenders here
21:21
would be undermanned and weakened,
21:23
but Colonel Osipov of the First
21:26
Regiment of Naval Infantry had formed
21:28
a plan for if the enemy
21:30
returned here in strength. They
21:32
did, and he put his
21:35
plan into action. Greetings
21:40
everyone from Central Virginia. So I just want to
21:42
say hi to some members and thank those who
21:44
have donated. Let's see here.
21:46
Today is the day of the eclipse, so good
21:48
luck with all that. Please don't lose your sight.
21:52
Let's see here. The first member is
21:54
Daniel Mello from Brazil, a cardiologist. He
21:56
wrote a rather cheeky email, hoping that
21:58
I had to get a stress
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test done this morning. He said
22:02
something like, I hope the shaving of your
22:04
chest is the worst part of it. It
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was the worst but it was pretty bad
22:08
so now I've got a spotty chest at
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best. My girls think it's funny. I might
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just have to shave everything just to start
22:15
all over again but those are
22:17
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22:19
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Zeeman from San Marcos, California. Thank
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David Cavilla, if I'm saying that
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right, from UK. He wrote a
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very lovely supportive email. Thank you
22:42
very much David. Your
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donation helped pay for my copay so
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I normally would use it for something
22:50
like alcohol but
22:52
needs must. Thank you very much
22:54
David. We will see
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what happens next with Odessa and then we'll move
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