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We've got a great guest with us
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today. We've got Carlos Diaz
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from Ridgewood Property
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Investments. Listen, Carlos is a
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seasoned real estate investor,
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and proud owner of Ridgewood
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Property Investments. A company
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that buys, fixes, and flips
1:05
properties in Southern
1:05
California with an emphasis in
1:08
the Inland Empire. He's a
1:08
licensed real estate agent, and
1:11
he will on occasion represent
1:11
buyers and sellers in a
1:14
traditional manner as well.
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Carlos is originally from
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Hawthorne, California, son of a
1:17
hard working immigrant parents
1:21
from Mexico. Growing up in the
1:21
inner city taught him many life
1:25
lessons and credits his parents
1:25
for his work ethic and
1:28
navigating the neighborhood gang
1:28
violence of the 90s. After
1:31
graduating high school, Carlos
1:31
worked many odd jobs but finally
1:35
landed a career in logistics.
1:35
And when his company announced
1:38
they would move operations to
1:38
Ontario. Carlos saw this as a
1:41
way out and a chance for a fresh
1:41
start in 2008. After years of
1:46
obsessing over the real estate
1:46
industry, Carlos bought his
1:49
first rental property in 2011.
1:49
always dreaming of quitting the
1:53
traditional nine to five job, he
1:53
decided to get dedicate more
1:57
time to investing, working two
1:57
jobs to save enough to launch
2:01
his flipping business, which he
2:01
funded 100% for two years. In an
2:06
effort to grow his business, he
2:06
would discover advantages of
2:09
leverage. And in 2022 became a
2:09
full time real estate
2:13
professional. Finally quitting
2:13
that nine to five job. Carlos is
2:17
married and has two kids.
2:17
Carlos, my friend, it is great
2:20
to have you on today, I am
2:20
grateful that you took time out
2:23
of your schedule to be with us.
2:23
And listen, our show, we want to
2:28
bring a variety of content and
2:28
guests from the real estate
2:30
world. And so because part of
2:30
what we want is, we want people
2:33
to know that we all come from
2:33
different backgrounds and
2:35
stations in life. And I want
2:35
them to hear your success story,
2:39
right. So if it's good with you,
2:39
let's jump in and get started,
2:42
okay?
2:43
Let's get started. First of all, thank you so much for having me. I truly
2:45
appreciate it.
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Absolutely.Absolutely.
2:48
So Carlos listed from your bio,
2:51
we know that you came from
2:51
humble and sometimes dangerous
2:53
beginnings. Tell us a little
2:53
about a bit about growing up in
2:57
Hawthorne. How tough was it
2:57
having you know your formative
3:01
years and that environment? You
3:01
know, and for? For those of us
3:04
that aren't from Southern
3:04
California, you know, I'm from
3:07
South Georgia, right? So tell me
3:07
about that environment and all
3:11
of our listeners all over the
3:11
country. Tell us about what that
3:13
environment looks like and how you came there.
3:15
Right. So we moved
3:15
a lot in the beginning, um, and
3:20
anywhere from West LA to Venice.
3:20
And then when we landed in
3:24
Lenox, and then finally in
3:24
Hawthorne, right? It was pretty
3:28
much a step in the right
3:28
direction. But in the 90s being
3:33
low income, you can only afford
3:33
certain areas, right. And these
3:38
areas were typically gang
3:38
infested. And that happened up
3:42
until my early 20s, right. In
3:42
the sense to where it was
3:48
difficult to navigate. Because
3:48
it really didn't matter where
3:52
you went, if you saw left, if
3:52
you saw right. It was in front
3:57
of you, it was in your face,
3:57
right? And join our speaking
4:01
about it to where it was now
4:01
looking back on it, it was
4:04
stressful time for any child,
4:04
any teenager, it becomes
4:09
stressful. And I want to say it
4:09
got to the point where you
4:12
become immune to it. And it's
4:12
just the norm. It's just the
4:15
norm. And it was suffocating
4:15
without me even knowing it up
4:22
until the point to where it
4:22
literally felt like I wasn't
4:24
able to breathe.
4:25
Wow.
4:26
And those stresses,
4:26
I'm now looking back on it. I
4:33
don't think anybody should
4:33
ultimately have to go through i,
4:37
right? Um, that still exists
4:37
today, unfortunately, but it's
4:42
just a way for you to see the
4:42
reality of what truly goes on in
4:46
these communities, right at the
4:46
end of the day. They're these
4:50
communities and from what I've
4:50
been able to see it doesn't
4:54
matter what inner city community
4:54
it is. They go through the same
4:59
struggle. It's very similar.
5:01
Well, what do you
5:01
think is the number one thing as
5:05
a kid growing up? You know, I
5:05
mean, I know, the choices, we
5:10
all make choices, right? It's
5:10
right. It's our choice
5:13
individually as far as how we
5:13
live and what we do. But what do
5:16
you think was the one thing that
5:16
kept you kind of on that
5:18
straight and narrow, so to speak?
5:21
100% my family. So
5:21
I read a passage in one of John
5:27
Maxwell's books, where it says
5:27
your family gives you stability.
5:31
And I truly feel that that did
5:31
help me to be able to navigate
5:37
right? It got to a point where
5:37
obviously, there was a lot going
5:40
on in that environment, and you
5:40
do get caught up. But you're,
5:44
it's faster for you to come to
5:44
that realization that what
5:47
you're doing isn't right, and
5:47
it's gonna lead you nowhere. And
5:50
I felt that family backing or my
5:50
family as my backbone really did
5:56
help.
5:56
So was it mom and
5:56
dad? Was it aunts, uncles,
6:01
cousins, what what do you think
6:01
was the biggest group that kind
6:05
of helped pull you and keep your
6:05
head on right, so to speak?
6:08
Oh, yeah. 100% It was mom and dad.
6:10
Yeah.
6:10
Mom and dad,
6:10
because there were some family
6:13
members. And unfortunately, they
6:13
were in the same environment,
6:17
right, and caught up in certain
6:17
things to where, you know,
6:21
they're closer to your age
6:21
range. And they're more like
6:25
your peers, right. But with mom
6:25
and dad really having a
6:29
stronghold on my upbringing, I
6:29
felt that that really did help
6:32
me.
6:34
So what do you
6:34
think is the biggest lesson that
6:38
you took from mom and dad?
6:42
You said it earlier
6:42
choice, right? Where you have
6:47
the choice. But it got to the
6:47
point to where I felt that they
6:51
raised me, they felt that I feel
6:51
they gave me enough tools and
6:57
raised me correctly, to when I
6:57
came across her sage situations,
7:02
they trusted that I will know
7:02
how to handle it, right? So like
7:06
you said, we all have choices.
7:06
And once you have that choice,
7:09
if you take that step back and
7:09
really think about what you're
7:12
going to do and what's going to
7:12
happen, which I feel a lot of
7:14
people don't they just react,
7:14
right? I feel that helped me a
7:21
lot.
7:23
And I've never
7:23
really gotten into a lot of my,
7:27
my background from growing up
7:27
things like that. It was, we all
7:32
got choices. And you know, I
7:32
didn't always make the greatest
7:35
choices growing up, right. My
7:35
family lived and guided me one
7:40
way. But I chose to do things
7:40
that were quite frankly, pretty
7:45
dumb a lot of times, you know, that got me into a lot of trouble. So I think that's
7:47
interesting that looking back,
7:50
you're crediting that process to
7:50
your mom and dad and the kind of
7:54
the vision and the guide that
7:54
they pushed you through in that,
7:56
you know, so. So as you were
7:56
growing in that environment,
8:00
what was college really an
8:00
option for you?
8:03
So, I want to say
8:03
it was a thought, it was a
8:09
thought that was never really
8:09
taken serious. Once again, that
8:13
was a choice, right?
8:14
Sure.
8:15
I did start you
8:15
know, with the whole junior
8:17
college thing. I want to say I
8:17
went to El Camino College for I
8:23
want to say, a year studying on
8:23
fire and emergency technology.
8:28
So I wanted to be a firefighter.
8:28
But that's as far as it went
8:32
past that year, it didn't go
8:32
past that year, I should say, a
8:36
lot of things happen to where I
8:36
had to make another choice. And
8:41
I had actually got accepted into
8:41
that fire academy. But at the
8:45
time, that's when the company
8:45
made the switch over to Ontario.
8:49
So that's where the fork in the
8:49
road was at that time, I want to
8:53
say LA County and LA City have
8:53
put all EMS on a hiring freeze.
8:58
So I didn't really know where
8:58
that was gonna go, once I
9:00
finished the academy was like
9:00
going to have a job. chances
9:04
were very high that I was but it
9:04
was going to be somewhere like
9:06
in the mountains, right? Doing
9:06
forest fires. So that's
9:10
something I didn't see myself
9:10
doing. So that choice was made.
9:14
And I just came over to the
9:14
Inland Empire.
9:17
So you were really
9:17
kind of forced into like, I
9:20
gotta pick or choose something
9:20
you're pretty quick then so.
9:22
Right at that time. Yes.
9:24
Yeah. Well, so let
9:24
me ask you this growing up in
9:27
the environment that you were
9:27
growing up in? And, you know, I
9:33
here's part of you know, Carlos,
9:33
why don't want to dive into this
9:36
summer's you know, we've talked
9:36
a lot about with some
9:39
unbelievably extremely
9:39
successful people on my show, in
9:44
the last several months and very
9:44
honored that they take time with
9:47
us and stuff, right. But at the
9:47
end of the day, it doesn't
9:50
matter where we've come from we
9:50
all started somewhere. Right?
9:52
And that's where I think when
9:52
we're talking about somebody
9:57
that started with the background
9:57
and the humble beginnings that
9:59
you started that's where I
9:59
really wanted to get your story
10:02
out there, right. So, so as you
10:02
were growing up and the
10:06
environment that you're living
10:06
in, and so, again, if I if I can
10:10
walk back, I mean, Hawthorne
10:10
how, how bad of an environment
10:14
is that? I mean, is it a?
10:16
So Hawthorne the
10:16
city isn't too bad? Um, it's how
10:21
you want to see it. It's either
10:21
the beginning or the end of the
10:23
South Bay, right?
10:24
Okay.
10:25
Um, the neighboring
10:25
city would be Lenox. And that's
10:28
where I was at for eight years.
10:28
So that's pretty much what I
10:30
knew it was literally across a
10:30
major street.
10:33
Okay.
10:34
And you're in
10:34
Lenox, right? So all that bled
10:38
over. And it was difficult man,
10:38
our neighbors in drive bys, we
10:45
lived in a back house, which is
10:45
what I wanted to touch on, you
10:48
know, a lot of choices. My aunt
10:48
own the front house, right, and
10:52
she was a single mom, my cousin
10:52
was older, and he was hanging
10:55
out with a bad crowd. So you
10:55
would see all these guys crowd
10:59
open or in their front yard,
10:59
right? So it was it was a
11:02
constant thing every weekend,
11:02
multiple times during the day.
11:07
It was stressful. At the end
11:07
day was stressful. You become
11:12
immune to it. But that's all you
11:12
saw. And it got to the point to
11:14
where that's all I thought there
11:14
was right? It wasn't until my
11:19
later teenage years that I
11:19
actually started to leave the
11:21
city, drive to other cities,
11:21
drive to other neighborhoods and
11:26
be able to see hey, you know
11:26
what, not everybody has bars on
11:28
their windows. Not everybody
11:28
has. Yeah, I'm serious,
11:32
channeling fences. Streets are
11:32
narrow over here. People don't
11:38
park on their grass. And all
11:38
these things were eye openers
11:42
for me as a teenager, like, wow,
11:42
okay, there's another city
11:45
beyond this.
11:47
Sure.
11:47
Right. And then
11:47
moving up from Hartshorne. I
11:49
want to say that city was
11:49
Torrance and then from Torrance,
11:52
you go to another city called
11:52
Palos Verdes this right? And you
11:56
go up there, and you see
11:56
mansions, multimillion dollar
11:59
homes. And all that was just a
11:59
huge eye opene, right? Like,
12:04
okay, there's people that
12:04
actually live like this. So, um,
12:11
I don't want to do something
12:11
wrong, right? Because if I do, I
12:14
know where I'm gonna end up.
12:14
Because this is all I know,
12:17
right? So at that early stage of
12:17
my life, it's pretty much when I
12:21
when that seed was planted,
12:21
like, hey, you know what,
12:24
there's something else out
12:24
there, you just have to figure
12:26
out how to get there.
12:28
Well, so that was,
12:28
I'm glad you went there, right?
12:30
Because that's actually where I
12:30
was trying to go. Growing up in
12:33
that environment? When did you
12:33
realize or what did you think
12:36
you wanted to do for a living?
12:36
Growing up in a scenario like
12:40
that? I mean, it was it? Was it,
12:40
seven, hey, I'm gonna be a game
12:45
or being a gang. And by 12, No
12:45
way, man, I see some kind of
12:49
walk us through that mindset is
12:49
because not everybody grows up
12:52
seeing that, right.
12:54
Right. So in the
12:54
beginning, because that's what
12:57
was around you, you thought
12:57
automatically that you were
13:00
going to join a gang, right?
13:00
That's kind of, I want to say a
13:04
given. But that's where my
13:04
parents stepped in like, 'Okay,
13:07
well, that's the first thing
13:07
you're not going to do, you're
13:09
not going to hang around these
13:09
type of people', because they
13:13
also they were naive, they knew
13:13
where that could lead, right? So
13:17
all that they will pull me away.
13:17
If I started to hang around
13:21
certain people, I will get
13:21
pulled away, right. So that was
13:25
in the early stages where you
13:25
kind of it was the norm, it was
13:31
a normal thing to do. You were
13:31
going to be from a certain area,
13:35
or you were living in a certain
13:35
area, you really belong to that
13:37
area, right? And it's until I
13:37
got older, right? Well, number
13:43
one, my parents would pull me
13:43
back, pull me back, pull me
13:45
back. And I would see other kids
13:45
that their parents were doing
13:51
something similar. So I'm like,
13:51
okay, well, it's not that weird.
13:54
It's a little weird, right? When
13:54
you're young, and you want to go
13:57
outside and play something as
13:57
easy as going outside and
14:00
playing right at certain times.
14:00
I wasn't allowed to. Why?
14:03
Because that's when everybody came out.
14:05
Sure.
14:06
It was difficult,
14:06
and now putting my parents shoes
14:11
on. It's something that I
14:11
wouldn't let my kids go outside
14:14
either, right? Because I
14:14
wouldn't want them if I had no
14:17
choice. And I was in that
14:17
environment, I would try to
14:19
protect them and show them as much as I can.
14:21
Right.
14:22
So that that
14:22
helped. In my earlier years. The
14:26
older I got, obviously, all
14:26
these people that I saw, you
14:30
know, I wouldn't see them around. So I'd asked my cousin afterwards song so, Oh, they
14:32
went to prison, or this happened
14:36
to so and so. Like, okay, well,
14:36
doing that looked cool. And I'll
14:43
be 100% transparent as a little
14:43
kid, you're naive. So you think
14:46
certain things look cool, right?
14:46
It's until you get to a certain
14:50
age that you start seeing the
14:50
reality. Hey, you know what,
14:53
that's not cool. This guy taking
14:53
care of business. You know,
14:57
going to school has a vision and
14:57
swallowing. Wait, that's cool,
15:02
right? But you don't see that or
15:02
you don't come into that
15:05
realization until you're older
15:05
in life.
15:08
So let's jump back
15:08
again. And you know, you're now
15:14
in, you're in logistics and work
15:14
with a company, they're looking
15:17
at going to Canada, you're
15:17
studying for firefighter all of
15:21
a sudden, okay, now you've got
15:21
to make a decision, right? So,
15:26
you're kind of forced in between
15:26
the aspect of am I gonna stay in
15:30
logistics? Yep. Ah, I missed
15:30
that one. All right, let me go
15:43
back and get my brain my train
15:43
of thought there. Okay. Alright,
15:58
so let's go back a bit. Because
15:58
you know, you were in logistics,
16:02
companies looking at making a
16:02
move to Ontario, you were
16:05
already studying for firefighter
16:05
that you're kind of forced into
16:09
making that decision of which
16:09
route to go, correct.
16:12
Right.
16:13
Okay. So so, in
16:13
that, because it wasn't, I mean,
16:16
this is a cool story. And I want
16:16
to make sure that I'm getting
16:18
this right and following the
16:18
timeline here. So I guess in
16:22
that process of, you're kind of
16:22
at a crossroads, because you're
16:26
now an adult, you're working.
16:26
You want to go one direction,
16:29
you're seeing that kind of
16:29
posting out. Did you see
16:34
yourself staying in logistics
16:34
for long term? Or were you
16:37
already seeing real estate? When
16:37
did you start kind of developing
16:41
this dream and this vision for
16:41
real estate, to build wealth and
16:46
to not have to say, 'Hey, I'm
16:46
not gonna punch a clock every
16:48
day.'
16:49
Right? So that
16:49
actually happened later during
16:52
that time. Um, it was during
16:52
2006. I want to say 2006. I had
17:00
a buddy, right? It's gotten
17:00
since 2007, that assisted a real
17:06
estate agent. So just, you know,
17:06
talking to him, I asked him,
17:09
'Hey, man, what, what's it going
17:09
to take to buy a house today?' ,
17:13
right. And the numbers he threw
17:13
at me were insane, right? We're
17:17
talking about 2007-ish. And I
17:17
couldn't believe it. I literally
17:22
said to myself, You know what,
17:22
I'm never gonna own the home.
17:24
Like, it was real sad. It was a
17:24
true moment to where like, Okay,
17:28
what I'm doing today, I'm never
17:28
gonna be able to own a home. So
17:32
what do I need to do? So,
17:32
obviously, at the age I was at,
17:36
I had to find something that was
17:36
steady, something where I would
17:39
earn decent. And like, most
17:39
thinking, or most people's
17:44
thinking, you just work really
17:44
hard. You save as much as you
17:47
can you give a downpayment, you
17:47
buy a house, right? So it's
17:50
something that was already a
17:50
pattern, you know, that I saw.
17:53
Okay, well, then that's what I
17:53
had to do. And I want to say
17:57
when that happened in 2000 Oh,
17:57
and to answer your other
18:01
question, no, I didn't see
18:01
myself doing logistics, you
18:03
know, for past a certain age,
18:03
because I knew that there was no
18:08
way that that was sustainable
18:08
for the long term, in order for
18:12
me to build any kind of wealth,
18:12
right? You can do it for so
18:17
long. And this is what another
18:17
buddy at the time told me which
18:20
I remember right now that it was
18:20
just a stepping stone, use it as
18:25
a stepping stone. So with that
18:25
mindset, I just went into that
18:30
job, did the best I could and
18:30
just pretty much waited out
18:36
right? Up until the point where
18:36
I was able to save enough money
18:39
and then buy that property. I
18:39
didn't get that aha moment in
18:43
real estate up until I bought
18:43
that first property in fontana,
18:47
right. So that property was it
18:47
was foreclosed. I had gotten an
18:52
FHA loan. And at that time, if
18:52
you guys remember, a lot of
18:58
kitchen cabinets were missing. A
18:58
lot of cabinets in the house
19:01
themselves were missing, there
19:01
was a lot of things that were
19:03
missing in homes. This
19:03
particular one would not qualify
19:07
because it was missing some of
19:07
the pee traps the cabinets, the
19:11
bathroom, there was a lot of
19:11
things going wrong with it. The
19:13
agent at the time told me 'Hey,
19:13
man, I don't think this property
19:16
is gonna pass FHA' or number
19:16
one, the bank, I guess, wasn't
19:19
willing to do any of those
19:19
repairs, they just threw it on
19:22
the market and whatever they
19:22
got, they were gonna get. So
19:25
they had accepted our offer. And
19:25
it was a coin toss. So I, me and
19:30
my buddy went and we put in
19:30
cabinets. So when the appraisal
19:33
would go in inspection would go
19:33
in they wouldn't notice it. So I
19:38
pretty much asked them amen. If
19:38
I do all this, is this gonna
19:42
close? Are we gonna go through
19:42
this whole deal? I didn't know
19:44
the verbiage at the time. He
19:44
said, 'Yeah,' you know, they're
19:47
just going to take pictures. They're going to make sure everything works and they're not
19:49
going to hit us on it. So it'll
19:53
finance. Great. So one weekend,
19:53
it was a Saturday and Sunday we
19:57
went out there we just installed
19:57
everything. And lo and behold
20:00
Oh, yeah, they approve the loan.
20:00
Yeah. So it was one of those
20:03
things where that's where I saw
20:03
the possibility, hey, you know
20:08
what? elbow grease, and it could
20:08
happen, I'm thinking a little
20:12
bit more thinking outside of the
20:12
box, and it could happen, you
20:16
can make it happen, right. So
20:16
that's just when I got obsessed
20:20
with real estate, right, and
20:20
this was back in 2009, when we
20:25
closed on it. And ever since,
20:25
and it was just in my sight, it
20:30
was like a target that I was
20:30
looking at. And I was gonna
20:32
figure out a way to keep on
20:32
getting more and then to start
20:34
flipping eventually, I never
20:34
really wanted to be a landlord,
20:38
per se. I always wanted to be a
20:38
flipping investor, right?
20:43
Somebody that just buys and
20:43
flips so that that property
20:46
could be enjoyed by another
20:46
family. At the end of the day,
20:48
that's pretty much ultimately what I wanted.
20:50
Well, and that's
20:50
what I mean, what I'm listening
20:53
to is interesting, because
20:53
you've got, you've never owned a
20:58
home. And at that time, I mean,
20:58
understand this, you didn't
21:02
personally own a home correct?
21:05
Not me personally, no.
21:06
Yeah. So you were
21:06
renting, and the first home that
21:09
you want to buy, you were so
21:09
aggressive to go buy this home,
21:15
that you put cabinets and stuff
21:15
in it before you owned it.
21:19
Right, just and the reason...
21:20
...we deal to go
21:20
through and that's, that's what
21:23
I want people to see is so
21:23
often, you know, we watch so
21:26
many people today, in our
21:26
culture that talks about, here's
21:30
the 12 steps that you're going
21:30
to do this, or here's the four
21:33
steps that you do this, and, and
21:33
it's just this easy. And that's
21:36
part of what I'm loving about
21:36
the stories that we're sharing
21:39
with people, you know, that our
21:39
investors and the people that do
21:42
stuff with us have lived through
21:42
because you weren't promised
21:47
this house? You know? No, yeah,
21:47
I feel pretty.
21:51
So now knowing
21:51
about it. Yeah, it was a huge
21:54
risk, it was a huge risk...
21:56
Would you still to
21:56
that today?
22:01
Now knowing what I
22:01
know, yes, as a seasoned
22:05
investor, but at the time, it
22:05
was just looking at as much as I
22:10
could. And as much as I knew,
22:10
and just asking the people that
22:14
were pretty much dealing with
22:14
this right situation. If I do
22:17
this, you know, what is truly
22:17
going to be the outcome? And
22:23
they didn't answer me right
22:23
away, which is something that I
22:25
appreciate. They took their time
22:25
thought about it, and then
22:29
answered because they ran through the scenario in their mind that anything could have
22:31
happened, obviously, you know,
22:34
anything could have happened to where that that...
22:37
For you to be that
22:37
aggressive to say I'm willing to
22:40
go put cabinets and sinks and
22:40
pee traps, you know, something I
22:43
don't even own for the chance to
22:43
buy it when I don't even own a
22:48
personal property yet. What was
22:48
there a trigger or something
22:52
that says, 'I got to do this?'
22:52
What was there was a moment or
22:56
something that happened that
22:56
says, I guess that's not
22:59
something you just think I'll
22:59
just gonna put cabinets, you
23:01
know, I mean.
23:02
Right.
23:03
Was there something that drove you to that or?
23:06
Absolutely. So it
23:06
was since that property was
23:09
already pretty much locked in?
23:09
Well, I don't want to use that
23:12
verbiage. But when the contract
23:12
had been accepted, right, I felt
23:17
I was there. So I had to try
23:17
everything, everything within my
23:22
ability to actually obtain that
23:22
property that house, why?
23:27
Because this was going to be my
23:27
ultimate escape from the old
23:31
environment. And I was going to
23:31
try everything I possibly good
23:35
good to actually make it happen.
23:35
So you're right. I did see the
23:42
two, I guess angles. One I just
23:42
leave it alone, see what
23:46
happens. Chances are very high
23:46
that I'm gonna go back to that
23:49
environment.
23:50
Sure.
23:50
Or I try as much as
23:50
I can, and get out of it and try
23:55
something new. Something that
23:55
actually wanted what was truly
24:00
on the other side. I didn't
24:00
know. I just knew we couldn't
24:04
get worse. So that's pretty much
24:04
that moment.
24:08
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