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Welcome back. This is Scott Talks, and

2:40

I'm with Mike Collins. Mike, if

2:43

you're looking at this on YouTube, it's

2:45

the Sugar Free Man, and that is on your

2:47

wall behind you, right? That's not

2:49

on the screen. That's

2:51

some commitment. And we're joining

2:54

Mike after a conversation with Laura

2:56

about sugar addiction and

2:58

living sugar free, obviously. I

3:00

want to say it was an amazingly informative

3:02

conversation. You know, I think it's

3:05

one of those things that people think are hyperbolic

3:08

in the world, you know? And

3:10

I think you broke it down in some ways that

3:12

made me realize, unfortunately

3:14

realize, that I need to look at closer

3:17

at some things. Real quick, Mike, tell me a little

3:19

bit about what made you quit, and then when

3:22

you did finally quit,

3:23

what made you want to help other people quit sugar?

3:26

Well, the second part of that question is really super interesting,

3:28

but as I told Laura, when

3:30

I got sober, I literally went right

3:33

back to sugar.

3:34

And the name of our podcast

3:37

was The Gateway Drug, and I do believe

3:39

that psychologically,

3:41

mentally, brain reward chemically,

3:43

sugar is the original gateway drug.

3:46

We learn to manage our emotions

3:49

by using sugar. Our parents, sadly,

3:51

sometimes did it to us where they give

3:53

us a cookie and send us to the TV. And

3:57

so as we mature, what

3:59

happened to me...

3:59

is I literally after I got sober

4:02

went right back to the sugar and

4:04

used it obsessively with caffeine

4:06

and sugar and flour. I didn't really eat any real

4:08

food. It was all fake food,

4:12

powdery kind of stuff. And

4:14

so I had acne and bleeding

4:16

gums and rosacea and I

4:19

was lethargic and tired and it just

4:21

started to model

4:23

the same addiction that I just come out of. Did

4:25

somebody speak to you and say, hey, you know, maybe

4:27

you should look at your sugar consumption or? No,

4:30

I read a book. I read a book called Sugar

4:32

Blues by William Duffy was

4:34

at one point married to

4:36

Gloria Swanson, the famous movie star.

4:38

And we and

4:40

it just tripped a trigger in me. You know,

4:42

first the history lesson in there of

4:45

sugar and the history of sugar and then the

4:47

food part and again, the healthy part.

4:49

All of what you talked about with Laura. So you

4:51

guys definitely go back to the podcast and you

4:54

can hear Mike and Laura talk about that in detail.

4:57

Let me ask what made you want to pass this on? Like

4:59

when you had this experience and I'm going to ask

5:01

you a little bit about the detox too, because I found that

5:04

to be very interesting. But once

5:06

you were past the detox and once you began to

5:08

experience some change, what

5:10

motivated you to want to help other people?

5:12

Well, yeah, like Laura and I talked about I use

5:15

my own children as guinea pig, raised them sugar

5:17

free and they thought they

5:19

said my whole life is

5:21

dead enough. We don't want to hear about it. Write a

5:24

book or something. And so I did what

5:26

you did. And so,

5:28

but I was kind of semi retired

5:30

about six or seven years ago and

5:33

I decided that, you know, I wanted this is what

5:35

I wanted to do. And it's amazing

5:37

to me. It's a really strange phenomenon.

5:40

I have 12 coaches these days who

5:42

help other people as well. And

5:44

every one of them came through the system.

5:47

I have two emails in my box right now of

5:49

people who have been through our system who

5:51

want to help others. It really is

5:53

a kind of a strange phenomena

5:56

that you just want to help others when you get to

5:58

the other side. And so. I'm

6:01

not alone in this. It's

6:04

hard for me to see overweight

6:06

children. It's just difficult

6:09

to watch poor kids

6:11

who don't shop. Now we're talking

6:13

four or five, six years old, seven.

6:15

I know, man. I see it every day. I actually

6:18

just heard that the FDA is now recommended

6:20

for kids who are overweight by 11 and 12

6:23

to recommend surgery for

6:25

kids. You're saying, hey,

6:27

let's recondition people's

6:29

relationship with food and

6:32

sugar, primarily it began with

6:34

sugar. But the FDA, in

6:36

an effort because this is so widespread

6:38

and such

6:39

a big deal, is recommending surgery for

6:41

12-year-olds. Breaking my heart, just

6:43

breaking my heart. It's just killing me

6:45

because we've seen it in children

6:48

as well of some of my coaches, kids,

6:50

and what have you that just take

6:52

away the sugar and the problem

6:54

solves itself, literally. And

6:56

that happens with adults as well.

6:59

I don't know that I can think of one group

7:01

who actually

7:02

gave me themselves

7:04

really abstinence for any

7:06

amount of time that didn't fall to their normal

7:09

size weight that just happens. You

7:11

don't even have to exercise. This is

7:13

not rocket science just to me anymore. This

7:16

has happened so many times. We

7:18

put so many type 2 diabetes

7:21

and diabetics in remission. This

7:23

is very real and the

7:25

message needs to get out. The sugar

7:27

is the cause. It's

7:30

not just aggravating the symptoms.

7:32

Yeah. It's a tough battle when

7:34

grandma gave you cookies when you were upset and

7:36

when your mom made brownies, we

7:39

got together and made cakes. It's

7:41

an integral piece of fabric of our

7:43

culture. And I think

7:45

it is starting to catch up with us in a way

7:47

that, like you said, it's frightful.

7:52

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7:54

to tell you about a cool new product that Scott

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8:04

Hey, how was your bike ride?

8:06

I've got one word for you, honey, pollen.

8:09

Oh my goodness, it's so true. My

8:11

black car is covered in yellow pollen

8:14

right now. It is. Right? But

8:16

did you know that the average American spends 90%

8:18

of their time indoors?

8:20

That's funny because you spend 90% of

8:22

your time indoors. Did you know that

8:24

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8:26

two to five times more polluted than outdoor

8:28

air and in some cases, a hundred times

8:30

more polluted.

8:31

That's gross. So it's even more polluted

8:33

in here than that yellow air we're breathing

8:35

out there. Yeah, it's actually

8:37

more than gross. The World Health Organization

8:40

says that air pollution is responsible for

8:42

nearly 7 million premature deaths

8:44

across the world every year. Man.

8:47

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8:48

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11:08

What is your 30 day detox? You

11:10

have a book called Last Resort Sugar Detox

11:12

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11:15

session, but you can also buy it on Amazon.

11:17

But give me a little outlook of what

11:19

that 30 day program might look like for somebody who's curious.

11:22

Yeah, I mean, at sugaraddiction.com you can check it

11:24

out. But basically, I come

11:26

into your inbox every day for 30 days

11:29

with a video between 10 and 20 minutes, and

11:31

I walk you through the whole process. Part

11:34

of the thing that people do in this is

11:36

that they get a little nervous

11:38

on days five and six and seven, because

11:40

man, the withdrawals are tough.

11:42

It's like mental, physical. Yeah,

11:45

you're in rough shape. And you

11:47

think there's something wrong with me. I'm sick,

11:49

I'm this. I run off and get pills

11:51

or do whatever. But you don't really need

11:53

to. And if you have a guide through it, who's

11:55

helped thousands of people do it, it's

11:58

just easier. So that's what it is. But more importantly,

12:01

there's an infrastructure there that

12:03

has two, almost three now

12:05

meetings a day, but two meetings every

12:08

single day in the week, some days three meetings

12:10

a day that they can plug into,

12:13

ask questions about,

12:14

and feel like they're not

12:16

alone in this because most of

12:18

the time, like you quit smoking. All

12:21

right, good job. You quit drinking.

12:22

Oh, that's excellent. Congratulations.

12:25

You quit using sugar and people are like, what?

12:27

What's wrong with you? What's wrong

12:29

with you? Like you need sugar.

12:31

And so people need this. We're

12:34

tribe animals. People need this support.

12:37

They do. They genuinely need because

12:39

you are an outlier in today's society.

12:42

Sure. Absolutely. I

12:44

had that same reaction when I went

12:46

plant based about two months into it.

12:48

I had a withdrawal from,

12:51

I guess from animal protein for the most part.

12:53

And I was told about this as I was going

12:56

through it. Oh yeah, you'll go through that.

12:58

And I felt sick for about five

13:00

days, felt like I had the chills and

13:02

nobody told me until

13:05

I started inquiring. But the thing

13:08

to think about is this is, and this went through

13:10

my head at the time was this has been a part

13:12

of my system for my whole life. It's been part

13:14

of my biochemistry for

13:16

as long as who knows before

13:19

I can remember. In the womb. Yeah, the

13:21

body

13:21

is not going to react kindly to that

13:23

change. But let's talk a little bit real

13:25

quick about a few of the things that maybe

13:27

somebody experiences on the other side

13:30

of a detox. Like you talked about the brain working

13:32

a little better. How about this dealing

13:34

with your emotions with active dopamine?

13:36

I found that to be a really interesting concept.

13:39

Yeah, this is really the core of our work.

13:42

That's really the core of our work is people

13:44

think that this is a diet, an exercise

13:46

plan, a food plan of some kind. It can't, that's

13:49

the furthest thing from the truth. This

13:51

is a substance use disorder. And substance

13:53

use disorder recovery is a process

13:56

of regaining your natural

13:59

a relationship with your own emotional

14:02

states. People don't realize

14:04

that they use, I mean, they call it comfort

14:06

food for a reason. When was the last time

14:09

you saw a movie where a woman got

14:11

dumped by her boyfriend and didn't have an ice cream party

14:13

with her girlfriends? This is a cultural

14:15

phenomena that when someone

14:17

has hurt, worry, pain, fear, anxiety,

14:20

they use sugar

14:21

to quell that.

14:22

But in reality, that's exactly

14:25

what's happening, that people don't

14:27

realize, and it doesn't get any respect

14:29

as being powerful enough to

14:32

tamp down those feelings, right? But

14:35

we take a little cocaine, we take a little heroin,

14:38

we take a little alcohol,

14:39

but we are pounding 30 teaspoons

14:42

of this stuff a day through our systems.

14:45

And that's average, a Coke has 12.

14:48

That's so much, I'm just picturing spoonful

14:50

after spoonful. Right, if

14:52

you got any habit at all, you're up at 40 and 50 teaspoons

14:55

a day, right?

14:58

And really, it just alters

15:00

every brain reward, chemo, this is all

15:02

proven science, by the way, I'm not making this stuff

15:04

up as something. This is all proven

15:06

science, dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, GABA,

15:09

adrenals, cannabinoid receptors, oxytocin,

15:12

the bonding chemical, how mothers

15:14

bond with their babies, is all

15:16

interrupted by sugar. I wanted to clarify, you're 34

15:19

years off sugar, 36?

15:22

32, my boys are 32, they're twins,

15:25

and I got

15:26

off sugar. I couldn't tell you the date, I can tell

15:28

you my sobriety, but I can't tell you the exact

15:31

date I got off sugar. That's great. The

15:33

last thing I'll say is, real quick, maybe give us

15:35

a little idea of some of the places where

15:37

sugar is hiding in society today. Where

15:40

am I gonna consume some sugar that I'm not really

15:42

sure, like I didn't eat any candy, but

15:45

maybe I had some ketchup for McDonald's. So, you

15:47

know, like, are there some places that I gotta

15:49

watch out for? Ketchup, for sure. Here's

15:51

the big one people really freak out about, salt.

15:54

They take the McDonald's

15:57

salt, little shake, the little paper.

16:00

thing, turn it over and read it someday.

16:02

It's dextrose in it.

16:04

They call it an anti-kinking agent,

16:06

but in reality, it's

16:09

really just putting sugar in salt. You

16:11

can't taste it,

16:13

but you put enough of it, and

16:15

then most lousy commercial

16:18

salt has sugar in it. And

16:20

that's just the beginning. I mean, mayonnaise,

16:23

everything you can think of. Now,

16:25

I think 84% of

16:27

the products in the grocery store that come

16:29

in a bag of box of can, they have

16:31

sugar in them.

16:32

And they know, this is

16:35

like 20 years ago, that was like half that,

16:37

less than half that number. It happens

16:39

because people come

16:42

back to it. That's why they

16:44

sell more of it.

16:45

Yeah. I was thinking, I watched

16:47

that supersize me years ago. Oh,

16:49

man. And that

16:51

guy started healthy

16:54

and was pretty much going to die

16:56

when he was done. And they said it was primarily

16:59

sugar additives to the food to keep you coming

17:01

back. And so I know McDonald's is not the

17:03

only brilliant producer of foods

17:06

that's trying to get people to come back. And I

17:09

think we like to think, oh, I'm not eating ice cream

17:11

today or not eating this, but we can consume

17:13

sugar in a lot of ways that we don't

17:16

even know or don't even think about. And

17:18

you offer really good guidance and

17:20

you offer a team of people

17:22

in a community, a tribe, as you call it,

17:25

that can help people sort through this stuff so they can

17:27

have more success with it. Thank you so much for

17:29

being on the podcast. I really enjoyed it. You

17:31

can find Mike on Facebook. We have all of his

17:34

stuff in our show notes. Also,

17:36

he's at sugar addiction.com. Mike,

17:39

thank you so much. This is just really

17:41

exciting and I really enjoyed myself.

17:43

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17:45

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