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Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.This week...The bloody foot + How you fix Plantar Faciitis + Phucomol + The new iPhone 12 + The Crown + Queen's Gambit + The Undoing + The 80's + Murder on Middle Beach + Pokemon Go huge news + Twitter Fleets + Cubby's Tesla + Thanksnuggets + All you can stay + Indecent proposal coming + Zoom free offer for Thanksgiving + Taylor Swift gets ripped off + Ryan Reynolds + Justin Bieber wants to erase himself from Google + Jimmy Fallon pajamas + Gwenyth Paltrow + Oprah + Bobby Brown Tragedy + Saved by The Bell new theme song + Dr. Dre divorce drama + Harry Styles crossdressing + Miley Cyrus + Dolly Parton + New Covid vaccine + The best of broadway comes to TV + The Voice + Rebel Wilson + Cardi B + Lizzo gets real + R. Kelley trial + People's sexiest man alive + Spike Lee Viagra movie + much more.
Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.The Littrell's are in the house...Brian Littrell (Backstreet Boys) Leighanne Littrell and country music superstar Baylee Littrell + New instagram update + Upcoming guests + Where's my iPhone + Cubby's Amazon driver encounter + Leslie does a show before the show + It's Cubby, stupid +  Peter Graves / Leslie Nielsen controversy + Cubby wants to quit, lol + Don't drop the heart + New T-Mobile TV + AirBNB the Bachelor mansion + The Weeknd Super Bowl Show + Jason Sedakis and Olivia Wilde breakup + Prison Break season 6 + McDreamy back on Grey's + The Undoing + Seduced backwards + The Queen's Gambit + Alex Trebek final shows + Friends reunion details + Kate Winslet can hold her breath 7 minutes + Macy's parade + Tiger Woods documentary + New Music this week + How old is Leslie? + A Fun Thanksgiving prank you can play on family + more.
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Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members. Speaker 1 (00:00:00):Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie, and Cubby. Barnes (00:00:04):Welcome to the Pop Culture Show. Coming up today, Emmy winning director Ken Fuchs from The Bachelor, Shark Tank, Bachelorette, Family Feud. Cannot remember them all but I'm sure he will tell us. He's coming up. He's got some good inside scoop, guys. Leslie (00:00:18):Behind the scenes. Cubby (00:00:19):Great behind the scenes stuff, yeah. Barnes (00:00:21):I cannot wait to talk to him because there's so many things ... All those shows are all about behind the scenes. I mean, that's what makes them. Please rate, review, and subscribe. Please rate, review, and subscribe. We have some sad news. We're announcing right now. It wasn't planned but we're going to go and let you know that we are all three moving to Denmark. Cubby (00:00:42):Yeah, because we're huge there. Leslie (00:00:43):We have to. Barnes (00:00:43):We're huge in Denmark. We're number 10 in Denmark. So we've decided all to take the tax breaks and everything that comes with moving to Denmark. So we'll be heading that way soon. So thank you. Cubby (00:00:56):Also Australia. We've been making some ground up there. Barnes (00:00:58):And Great Britain. It's catching on everywhere but America. Leslie (00:01:04):What's the missing link? Barnes (00:01:05):Maybe tell somebody about us. I don't know. Help a brother out. Cubby (00:01:10):Follow us on social media if you could. We are the Pop Culture Show on Instagram. Even if you can go on your own Facebook page and talk about us, spread the word, every little bit helps. We're giving away money on this episode. Barnes (00:01:22):How about Tag a Friend Week? How about that? Cubby (00:01:24):I love that. Leslie (00:01:26):I like that idea. Barnes (00:01:26):Somewhere in your social media, just write a little something sweet and nice about the little show that could and say, "Hey, if you guys are looking for a good podcast, check these guys out. They're number 10 in Denmark," whatever you have to do. Cubby hit on something key. We're about to give away some money. I hope this doesn't go horribly wrong. It's called Pop Quiz and it's our first week giving away money. It's 50 bucks. Leslie (00:01:48):Fingers crossed. 50 bucks is a lot. Cubby (00:01:50):And it gets bigger. Barnes (00:01:52):Yeah, root for them to fail because next week, it'll be 100. If not, we'll just reset to 50. I'm saying right now, you know the question, both of you. What would you say on the hard scale, on a one to 10, 10 being the hardest? Cubby (00:02:08):I'm going to go eight, because you really had to pay attention. Leslie (00:02:10):It's a tough one. Barnes (00:02:11):It's not just like, "Hey, what color is the sky?" I mean, you had to have paid attention and not just like loosely. Cubby (00:02:21):How do we find this contestant? Leslie (00:02:23):Are they in Denmark? Barnes (00:02:24):Comment. They just comment. Yeah, it's the Denmark. It's one of those people. No, we have a post at the top tagged on our Facebook page and you just put Quiz Me in the comments and then we're going to pick somebody. That's it. I mean, it's pretty easy and I picked her at random. Her name is Christine Fitzgerald. Should be coming up in a few moments. This will be a video segment so you have to check it out. Because I'm sure there are going to be technical problems of some sort that you'll enjoy. Cubby (00:02:50):You'll get to see my shirt. Barnes (00:02:51):Cubby, this is ridiculous. What is that? Leslie (00:02:54):His shirt matches my fuchsia microphone. Barnes (00:02:57):What is it? Cubby (00:02:57):My wife found this in Marshall's. It was on sale for 5.99. I love retro and this is a circa 1991, saved by the bell kind of fashion statement. Barnes (00:03:08):It's about three sizes too small for you, first. Cubby (00:03:10):Yeah. This is called quarantine life right here. Barnes (00:03:13):How about not show- Leslie (00:03:13):The COVID-10. Barnes (00:03:15):He just raised his shirt. Leslie (00:03:17):COVID-10 or COVID-20? Barnes (00:03:19):You were already showing a little too much tummy for me. Cubby (00:03:22):I know. No, I'm not going to lie to you. I've probably gained 15 pounds since March. Barnes (00:03:26):I don't care about pounds, I'm just talking about skin. Your shirt was, it looks like you're wearing your youngest son you don't have shirt. Cubby (00:03:34):Well, this is a bad angle. I'll tell you that right now. Leslie (00:03:37):I kind of feel like we should give away his shirt as well as the 50 bucks. Cubby (00:03:42):That should be the losing price. Are we going to keep this going? Like if she wins today, are we going to ... I know it's not going to roll over. But are we going to have 50 bucks next week? Barnes (00:03:50):Yeah, why not? Cubby (00:03:52):Okay, so we're going to keep this going. All right. Leslie (00:03:54):Are we the only podcast giving away money? Barnes (00:03:56):I haven't heard of any podcasts giving away any money. Leslie (00:03:59):I haven't either. Cubby (00:04:00):All right, last question and I'll move on. What if this keeps rolling over and we're up to out of our budget? What if it's like $900? Barnes (00:04:09):The minute we opened our mouths, we're out of our budget. Cubby (00:04:12):True. Barnes (00:04:14):We all exchange different weeks paying with our Venmo. Cubby's got next. College football's back, guys. Leslie (00:04:21):I had no idea. Barnes (00:04:22):And NFL. Cubby (00:04:24):Yeah, it was good to see that. Barnes (00:04:24):This week, NFL is back. I mean, they were the most boring of the boring games, no offense, but they weren't exciting. What was interesting ... Did you watch any ... Well, Leslie, how many did you watch? Leslie (00:04:35):I didn't even know it started so ... Barnes (00:04:35):Cubby, did you watch? Leslie (00:04:35):... carry on. Cubby (00:04:39):I watched Marshall play Eastern Kentucky for 10 minutes and that was really boring. Barnes (00:04:45):You noticed the camera angles? Cubby (00:04:47):No. Barnes (00:04:48):They've moved the cameras up in the stands and they're angling them down so you don't see the stands. I thought it was very interesting. Watch the next time you watch a game. So they put the cameras- Cubby (00:04:58):They did have a few people at the game. There were a few people ... Barnes (00:05:00):I know but they're trying purposely not to show the empty stands. Cubby (00:05:03):Correct. Barnes (00:05:04):I thought it was interesting. Leslie (00:05:06):Do they pipe in ... I'm just asking because I haven't watched. Are they piping in sound effects and crowd noises? Barnes (00:05:11):I haven't been to a game yet, but I heard they were going to. Cubby (00:05:16):The NBA and the NHL, they're doing a good job of making it sound as real as possible and look as real as possible. They've been doing a great job. With the Marshall game yesterday, had real fans. It sounded like a high school game. But it was good to see it back. Barnes (00:05:30):You know what? They could be on to something. Maybe that's what we should do for the Pop Culture Show. Let's just pipe in fans. Leslie (00:05:35):We need it. Cubby (00:05:36):Crowd noise. Barnes (00:05:37):How about fake people email us all the time? Cubby (00:05:39):The Kentucky Derby, too, was something that I forgot about, that normally I would be all about. That happened on Saturday. Barnes (00:05:45):Yep. Leslie (00:05:45):Completely didn't see that. Did you guys watch the VMAs because they used these really cool virtual reality stages and they opened the show with the weekend, which was phenomenal. That performance was phenomenal. Then Lady Gaga with her masks. Cubby (00:06:00):You guys were talking about Venmo, you were talking about Venmo a minute ago, maybe you can help me with this because last week I got hacked. I'm not sure how it happened. Leslie (00:06:09):Uh-oh. Barnes (00:06:09):You got hacked on Venmo? Cubby (00:06:11):Well, no, no, no. Actually, it reminded me, it was on PayPal. So I have a credit card attached to my PayPal account and I ... Don't laugh at me. I've called QVC a couple of times and ordered stuff. Leslie (00:06:23):A couple meaning how many? Cubby (00:06:26):Two times in the last year. So the only time I've used my PayPal account is through the credit card on QVC. Anyway, long story short, my credit card alerts me if anything over $100 is happening. And I got an alert that a online order was placed for $900 for a Roomba on QVC. Barnes (00:06:46):Is that the vacuum that moves? Cubby (00:06:48):The vacuum that moves. And I clearly didn't order it. I asked my wife she says, "No. Are you crazy? I wouldn't do that." I didn't know where to begin. Do I call QVC first? Do I call my credit card first or do I call PayPal? Barnes (00:06:59):PayPal is fast. Leslie (00:07:01):They are? Barnes (00:07:01):They'll call you right back. Cubby (00:07:03):What I ended up doing is PayPal, they helped me out a lot and they told me to cancel my credit card and change my password on my PayPal. And then I called QVC and canceled the order. It was going to a different address. Whoever did this had my name on it, used my billing address, and it was being shipped to their address, which actually was 30 minutes away from our house. I looked it up on Zillow. And it was actually kind of a nice house. I'm like, "Is this a mistake maybe? Is it the same name as me?" I don't know. Barnes (00:07:36):Cubby, you order more than any human being that I know so maybe it was a mistake. Cubby (00:07:42):No, it was not ... Leslie (00:07:44):Wait, I'm following this. Did you go to that person's house and knock on the door? Cubby (00:07:48):No, I'm tempted to because it pisses me off. But also I'm a nice guy, as you know, and you guys are all nice people and I'm always willing to give the benefit of the doubt. And I'm almost thinking maybe QVC made a mistake because it's the same name as me, first and last. It is New Jersey, it's where I live. Barnes (00:08:04):That leans to a mistake if it's the same name. Cubby (00:08:07):It's the same but they could have used my name because of billing purposes. Leslie (00:08:11):Barnes would have gone to the house 10 hours ago. Barnes (00:08:14):Armed. Cubby (00:08:15):So I canceled my credit card and QVC and all that. Barnes (00:08:19):I think it sounds like a mistake. Same name. Leslie (00:08:21):Wait a second, Cubby, quick question. Is there a possibility that after one of the five o'clock Jager shots that you might have called QVC ... Barnes (00:08:31):I want a Roomba. Leslie (00:08:31):Come on. Cubby (00:08:34):Actually, not at all because my wife and I talk about every big purchase and she would have killed me if I had done that without her knowing. Leslie (00:08:42):That's expensive. I didn't know that's how much the thing was. Cubby (00:08:44):It was like $850. Speaker 1 (00:08:46):Get money. Get paid. Welcome to Pop Quiz on the Pop Culture Show. Get one question about last week's show correct and win cash. Here we go. Barnes (00:09:00):Money, money, money, money. Say hey to Christine Fitzgerald. Hey, Christine. Christine (00:09:04):Hi. Cubby (00:09:04):Welcome, Christine. Where are you at right now? Christine (00:09:07):I am in Woodstock, Georgia. Barnes (00:09:08):Nice. Cubby (00:09:08):Cool. Barnes (00:09:09):You're the first person ever to play Pop Quiz and ... Christine (00:09:11):I know. I've been listening to you guys since 1996. So this is just ... I'm so happy. Barnes (00:09:16):Well, that's great. Leslie (00:09:17):Thank you. Barnes (00:09:18):We just started the show this March so that's amazing. Christine (00:09:20):I know. I've been listening to the show since episode one and telling all my friends. It's been great. Barnes (00:09:26):Well, thank you. Leslie (00:09:26):Thank you so much. Cubby (00:09:28):It means a lot. Thank you. Barnes (00:09:29):We knew somebody was listening. We just didn't know who. Christine (00:09:31):Well here I am. Hi. Barnes (00:09:34):Someone like you who listens a lot, this is going to be a no-brainer, you're going to win the money, which is going to make everyone else mad. Because if you don't win the 50 bucks, it's going to go up next week. Christine (00:09:44):Exactly. Cubby (00:09:45):So are you ready to play, Christine? Christine (00:09:47):I am ready to play. Cubby (00:09:48):All right. I mean, it's rather easy for you if you listen to every second of the episode last week. Christine (00:09:53):I did. I did. Cubby (00:09:53):So here we go. Charles Esten was our guest last week. We talked about how he auditioned for Band of Brothers, but he lost the role to what actor? I need the first and last name. You have 10 seconds. Go. Christine (00:10:10):Damian Lewis. Barnes (00:10:10):Two seconds. That's unbelievable. Christine (00:10:18):I love him so much so I listened to that part very intently. I'm a big fan of his. Barnes (00:10:23):We thought this is a hard question. Leslie (00:10:24):Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Barnes (00:10:26):Okay, Cubby, get her Venmo and give her 50 bucks. Leslie (00:10:30):Congratulations. Cubby (00:10:31):I will. Christine (00:10:31):Thank you so much. Leslie (00:10:33):We appreciate you listening, too. Christine (00:10:34):Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm so glad you're back. It's made my Monday so much happier. Barnes (00:10:40):This is awesome. Well, please, hold on one second. We're going to put you in the green room and we'll get your Venmo or your Apple Pay or your whatever, your PayPal, and we'll hit you with 50 bucks. Christine (00:10:50):Thank you so much. Barnes (00:10:51):You're very welcome. Leslie (00:10:51):It's actually like, this turned out to be pretty easy, Barnes. Seriously, all you have to do to join in on the fun and win some easy money is just comment, "Quiz me. Quiz me." popcultureshow.com. Just go to our Facebook, the pinned page and just say Quiz Me to win cash. Barnes (00:11:08):There's a pinned post at the very top. Just on that and put Quiz Me and you're set. Cubby (00:11:12):Christine, can you do us a favor? Christine (00:11:14):Yes. Cubby (00:11:14):Now that you love us so much, can you post on your social how much you love this new podcast called the Pop Culture Show and you should listen to it just on your Facebook? Christine (00:11:22):Absolutely. Cubby (00:11:23):Just spread the word because we have five people, I think, listening. Christine (00:11:26):I will absolutely. Barnes (00:11:27):Now that you're on payroll. So it's [crosstalk 00:11:29] Cubby (00:11:30):You're getting paid now. Exactly. Christine (00:11:31):Exactly. Barnes (00:11:32):Congratulations, Christine. Thanks for playing Pop Quiz. Christine (00:11:34):Thank you so much. Leslie (00:11:34):A lot of celebrity news this week, guys. And at the end, we're going to talk about the highest paid celebrities. Some of them I'm sure you'll be like a no-brainer. But I saw this and thought it was really interesting. What do you think is the biggest most liked tweet of all time? Barnes (00:11:51):Well, it had to be Chadwick Boseman. Leslie (00:11:53):It is. It's the tweets sent from his official account announcing his passing. That is the most-liked Tweet of all time. Barnes (00:12:00):I've seen that. Story has been around all week. I've been seeing it everywhere. I was surprised that that ... I wonder what it was before that. Leslie (00:12:06):I'm not sure about that but there's a couple other stories. I don't know if you've seen some of his fans, the Black Panther fans, are saying, "Hey, Marvel, you can't recast the Black Panther." Because there's a couple of movies coming out. So I don't know what they're going to do but fans are up in arms going, "You cannot recast this part." Cubby (00:12:24):What are they thinking? Re-title? Leslie (00:12:25):I don't know. I don't know. It's just he gave such a brilliant performance. Barnes (00:12:29):Why not honor him with casting it in a ... I don't think you need to shut the franchise down. It's horrible that he's passed. But I think he would probably say, "No, you've got to keep this going." Cubby (00:12:41):Right. And dedicate it to him when the movie starts. Leslie (00:12:44):I'll tell you what, another big score though for Netflix. They're going to get his final movie that he ever made. It's Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. It's about August Wilson, played by a Pulitzer Prize winning writer August Wilson and it's about this blues icon name Ma Rainey. Netflix got it. I mean, Netflix is just on fire. I've been reading all this stuff this week about Netflix. Did you see where they're going to offer a bunch of free stuff on Netflix this week? Barnes (00:13:14):They're going to streaming Stranger Things maybe and ... Leslie (00:13:17):The unpay wall. It's a netflix.com watch free and they have The Two Popes, the first episode of Stranger Things, Birdbox, a lot of stuff. Cubby (00:13:30):The power of Netflix, Cobra Kai was on YouTube a year and a half ago, that was the Karate Kid reboot. I saw it a year and a half ago. But all weekend, people have been talking about, "Cobra Kai on Netflix. Just binged it. It's so good." I'm like, "I knew about this a year and a half ago." But because Netflix picked it up, it took it to a whole new level. Barnes (00:13:49):Well, actually YouTube vacated it. Cubby (00:13:51):Did they? Barnes (00:13:52):You're right. They're getting out of original production. Cubby (00:13:56):I didn't know that. Barnes (00:13:56):So they bought the rights to those first two, but yes, they did pick it up. What's wild is there are people talking about it and I just can't ... I tried to start it, I'm 10 minutes in. I have a hard time with retro stuff. Cubby (00:14:11):It's not bad though. Give it a chance, please. Barnes (00:14:13):I am. I'm 10 minutes in and I'm going to give Staten Island King, whatever that thing, a chance. Leslie (00:14:17):Staten Island King, whatever. Now I heard about the show, Carrie Underwood tweeted about it and everybody's talking about it. But I had no idea, Cubby, that it had started on YouTube. It's the same when you guys made fun of me about the Michael Jordan, the documentary The Last Dance. I mean, I never watched it on ESPN. It had a whole new life on Netflix. Barnes (00:14:39):It's so good. But Cobra Kai was filmed here in Atlanta mostly. Leslie (00:14:42):Cobra Kai. Barnes (00:14:43):You can't tell watching it. Cubby (00:14:44):Check out CBS Sunday morning. Great piece on Netflix and how they have just exploded ... Barnes (00:14:50):Dominated. Cubby (00:14:51):... since the pandemic started. Leslie (00:14:53):How about a $100 million Netflix deal from Meghan and Harry? Cubby (00:14:59):Is it official? Leslie (00:15:00):Well, I don't know if it's official but apparently they're talking to them about TV show, documentaries, films, scripted kid's programs, everything. Barnes (00:15:09):Why is everybody all up on them? What do they have to say? I mean serious, why are they such a hot commodity? Leslie (00:15:17):I think people actually really liked him. He was like the bad brother and a lot of people were fans of hers when she was an actress. I don't know what the allure is. Barnes (00:15:25):A lot of people think she's an opportunist. Leslie (00:15:29):That has been obviously ... I don't know if you ever saw some of the vicious things that Piers Morgan had to say about her. Barnes (00:15:35):I'll start with the royal family, for one. What do you think her ass is on the outside? It's just strange. Cubby (00:15:41):Yeah, I don't care about it, to be honest with you. I know some people live and breathe it. Leslie (00:15:45):Okay, who has 200 million followers on Instagram? Barnes (00:15:49):Not us. Leslie (00:15:50):First female to reach that, Ariana Grande. 200 million. Cubby (00:15:55):I remember when Katy Perry was on top for a while and Justin Bieber. But Ariana Grande now, huh? Leslie (00:15:59):Guess who's second place? Barnes (00:16:00):You know what would be a fun bit is between the three of us, we have to try and book a guest that we know one of the other two can't stand. That would be a great segment. Leslie (00:16:12):So you're saying you want me to get Meghan Markle on or ... Barnes (00:16:15):I don't even know who that is. Oh, yeah, that's her. I'm saying someone notable that you've been like, "Ugh, really?" Cubby would try to book Ariana Grande on the show and then I'd have to stomach it the whole time. Cubby (00:16:27):You would love it because she has 200 million followers and she would turn that to the podcast. Leslie (00:16:31):True. Okay, coming in second place is Kylie Jenner with 193 million Instagram followers. Cubby (00:16:41):I'm still suspect because you can buy so many things. I still don't know if they're real people but whatever. Leslie (00:16:47):All right, quiz for you guys. When was the last time Arnold Schwarzenegger was on television? Because he's coming back. Barnes (00:16:55):He hosted The Apprentice. Leslie (00:16:57):Yep. Celebrity Apprentice. 2017. Barnes (00:17:00):It was awful. Leslie (00:17:03):Well, now he is going to start a global spy adventure for television revolving around a father and a daughter. Barnes (00:17:11):That might work. Leslie (00:17:11):I know this coming back to TV. Cubby (00:17:12):Do you think he went away for a while after all that whole housekeeping incident? Leslie (00:17:17):Yes, such an embarrassment and sad actually. Mariah Carey just got a big Apple TV deal. She's going to do a magical Christmas special with a lot of big guests. I wonder how much she got paid for that. Barnes (00:17:29):Cubby, you know Mariah Carey? Cubby (00:17:31):I don't know her, interviewed her a million times. Barnes (00:17:33):I asked because New York, I mean, you get a lot of people on there. Cubby (00:17:36):She used to come up to Z100 all the time. Barnes (00:17:38):Is she nice? Cubby (00:17:40):She's really nice, but a lot of maintenance involved. I mean, you know ... Leslie (00:17:45):Can't deny that voice. Cubby (00:17:47):They come in an hour ahead of time before an interview because everything is filmed for online, and her people come in an hour before. "Where she's sitting? Where's the lights?" Barnes (00:17:56):Where's your president? Cubby (00:17:56):"Don't film this side." It's pretty high maintenance. Leslie (00:18:00):She does have a side. I remember that, right? Which side is one ... Cubby (00:18:03):It's her left. No. Let me think. She doesn't want her left really to be seen a lot. It's mainly her right. That's what she prefers. Barnes (00:18:10):What's wrong with her left? Cubby (00:18:11):I don't know. I think it looks fine. But you'll notice a lot of her videos and pictures, she's really, right side is more ... Barnes (00:18:19):[inaudible 00:18:19] a devil tidbit, Cubby. Leslie (00:18:20):I love that. They're celebrating the 25th anniversary of All I Want For Christmas. That always makes the charts every year anyway because it's one of the most popular Christmas songs. You know what she should do is invite Nick Cannon on the show. Barnes (00:18:34):Don't they hate each other? Leslie (00:18:36):I don't know if they hated ... I think they're amicable, right? Cubby (00:18:39):I agree. I think they're civil. I think it might have gotten bad there for a second the first it happened, but I think they've cleared the air a bit. Leslie (00:18:47):So I didn't see a lot of fanfare on David Blaine and flying with the balloons but it just happened. I guess I did it live on YouTube, but he floated over the Arizona desert holding about 50 helium balloons. Did you watch the video for that? Barnes (00:19:04):I saw a clip of it. Cubby (00:19:04):I saw the clip. That was it. Barnes (00:19:07):YouTube pay for that? Leslie (00:19:09):I'm not sure. He floated 24,900 feet, which is about 4.7 miles and then he parachuted back to the ground. Cubby (00:19:18):Is it bad that I just don't care? He did a few things 20 years ago. It was really kind of cool. Leslie (00:19:25):So weird I didn't hear anything about it. By the way, we had known that the Rock had COVID, Dwayne Johnson. I guess he's better now but he's talking about it. Dwayne Johnson (00:19:35):My wife, Lauren, as well as my two baby girls and myself, we have all tested positive for COVID-19. I can tell you that this has been one of the most challenging and difficult things we have ever had to endure as a family. And for me personally, too, as well. I've gone through some doozies in the past. Barnes (00:19:58):Is that now? I know the clip is now but is this from the past they tested positive? Leslie (00:20:05):Yeah, because they said he's on the other side of it right now. Barnes (00:20:07):I just wonder how long ago that was. Cubby (00:20:09):Do you know how they first suspected that they had it? No one could smell what he was cooking. Good night everybody, drive safely. Leslie (00:20:19):Then you saw Robert Pattinson has COVID, and he was in that number one movie over the weekend, Tenet. Barnes (00:20:25):I shouldn't even say this. Leslie (00:20:31):He's like the new Batman. Barnes (00:20:32):These sets and their protocols are kind of a joke. I mean, you walk by and they stick a thing near you and they go like, "Raise your nose up. You don't have COVID. Keep working." But when Batman gets it, you have to stop. I think that they probably overlook a lot. I don't have facts, I'm just saying that the tests ... My friends that work in the business say the testing is a joke. Leslie (00:20:55):I will tell you that I'm ... Barnes (00:20:55):They touch you and, "Nope, you don't have it." Leslie (00:21:00):... working for Viacom and they just had the VMAs and now we're working on the CMT Music Awards, the protocols are really, really, really strict. Barnes (00:21:09):Good. It should be. Leslie (00:21:09):Not quarantining and yeah. Barnes (00:21:10):Shows that are out in the field, they're getting very liberal with their testing. Leslie (00:21:15):By the way, I didn't mention this at the top of the show, but I watched Mulan, which Lanie has been wanting to watch. Remember it was supposed to have a huge theatrical release, but it came to Disney Plus over the weekend, we paid 29.95, 30 bucks for it. Because even if you have Disney Plus, you still have to pay for it. So it'll be really interesting to see how well it does. Cubby (00:21:35):That's messed up, by the way. You're already paying for a subscription and then you have to pay on top of that? Leslie (00:21:42):You have to pay on top of that. But I'm imagining of you have a family with a bunch of kids and stuff, that's still cheaper than going to the theater, right? Cubby (00:21:48):True. True. Leslie (00:21:49):Did you guys see that Billy Eilish is going to help design the logo for the 2028 Olympics? Barnes (00:21:55):That girl, she's so talented. She's getting so many cool unique gigs. Leslie (00:21:59):They're bringing 20 different creators. Well, I love what she said, is she said, "The font I chose is the font that I use for my logo. And who knows if that's going to be relevant in my life in eight years. But I have this whole thing about not wanting to please my past self or future self. It's all about pleasing your present self." That's what she had to say. Cubby (00:22:19):She's got a big future. Leslie (00:22:20):So should we go through the highest paid celebrities? Barnes (00:22:23):Of the year or of all time? Leslie (00:22:26):No, it says The Highest Paid Celebrities. This is the annual list from Forbes. Cubby (00:22:31):Now, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought we talked about how the Rock was leading one poll last week or two weeks ago. Leslie (00:22:37):Yes. I have the top 10. He is number 10. Cubby (00:22:40):The Rock is number 10? Barnes (00:22:42):I thought he was one. I thought he was one. Leslie (00:22:44):No. This is the Highest Paid Celebrities of 2020. Cubby (00:22:47):Here we go. Leslie (00:22:48):He's number 10, 87.5 million. LeBron James is number nine. Barnes (00:22:53):Look at that. That's with Coronavirus, people. Get off your couch. Leslie (00:22:56):It's crazy. 88.2. Howard Stern, 90 million at number eight. Number seven, Neymar, 95.5 million, soccer player. Tyler Perry at six. Tyler Perry is just always on fire, 97 million. Lionel Messi, I didn't know who that was. I had to Google him, 104 million. He's another soccer player. Number four soccer, Cristiano Ronaldo, 105. Did I say it okay? Cubby (00:23:23):Yeah, you nailed it. Leslie (00:23:24):105 million. Roger Federer, Barnes, 106.3 million. Barnes (00:23:29):Still? Leslie (00:23:30):Ain't that crazy? Barnes (00:23:31):Wow. Leslie (00:23:32):Kanye West, 170 million at number two. Barnes (00:23:36):Dang. Leslie (00:23:36):Any guesses as to the number one overall celebrity? Barnes (00:23:39):Cubby? Cubby (00:23:41):I'm going to go ... Barnes (00:23:42):Number one? Cubby (00:23:43):I mean, Justin Bieber? Leslie (00:23:45):That's a good guess. Barnes (00:23:48):Kim Kardashian. Cubby (00:23:49):Kim Kardashian. Leslie (00:23:50):No, it's in the family though. Barnes (00:23:52):Kylie? Leslie (00:23:53):Yeah. Cubby (00:23:54):Kylie. Leslie (00:23:54):Kylie Jenner, 590 million because she has that cosmetic line. Barnes (00:23:59):How does Kim handle that? She's not longer the queen. There is some new music going to run through. I was so impressed to hear ... Have you guys heard ... I'll play it and you'll know instantly who it is. And then of course, I'll tell you who it is. Have you heard this yet? (music) It's The New Bush. It's 1998 again, baby. Cubby (00:24:20):It sounds good. Gavin would be a great guest [crosstalk 00:24:23] Leslie (00:24:23):I love Gavin Rossdale. Barnes (00:24:24):I texted him this week. I haven't heard back from him, but I hope to get him on. Cubby (00:24:27):There's the name drop. We got one. Barnes (00:24:29):You just said you'd like to have him on. He was a- Cubby (00:24:31):I know, but just the way you said it, so nonchalantly, "Yeah, I texted him." Leslie (00:24:35):Very sad with what happened with he and Gwen, but back in the day, he and Barnes did hang out a lot. Seriously. Barnes (00:24:44):All the time. Cubby (00:24:44):No, I think you're ... I'll give you that. I do remember that. Barnes (00:24:44):We used to play tennis and all kinds of crazy stuff. So that's The New Bush. The album Front To Back is great. Check it out on whatever your streamer is. This is new from Sheryl Crow. (music) Cubby (00:25:09):She's always been nice. I know we've all met her a million times, right? Barnes (00:25:11):She's awesome. Leslie (00:25:12):She lives in Nashville. Barnes (00:25:14):Can you text her, Leslie? Leslie (00:25:16):She's awesome. Cubby (00:25:16):You can text her? Leslie (00:25:17):Her barn is nicer than most people's houses. Cubby (00:25:20):Please text her. Barnes (00:25:20):I like Sheryl. Tell her we miss her. I'm sure you've all listened to the new 6ix9ine, Punani. (music) Now here come a lot of beeps. (music) [crosstalk 00:25:48] and so on and so forth. Leslie, you know what Punani is? Leslie (00:25:55):I don't. Barnes (00:25:57):Oh, boy. Cubby (00:25:58):You're kidding. Leslie (00:25:59):No. What is it? Cubby (00:26:00):It's like a [inaudible 00:26:01]. Leslie (00:26:01):It is? Barnes (00:26:02):It's not like a [inaudible 00:26:04]. It's a little ... Cubby (00:26:06):It's in that area. Leslie (00:26:07):Don't ask me to Google it, I'm not going to. Barnes (00:26:09):Leslie, what is punani? Leslie (00:26:11):I don't know. Barnes (00:26:13):P-U-N-A-N-I, look it up. Learning with Leslie, that's what the segment will be called. Leslie (00:26:22):Don't make me do this. Barnes (00:26:23):Punani, you've got to get hip to your pop culture. Cubby (00:26:27):This is the Pop Culture Show. Barnes (00:26:29):Learning with Leslie. Okay, go ahead. P-U-N-A-N-I. Leslie (00:26:33):It means beautiful flower. Barnes (00:26:35):Okay, keep going. What is it [inaudible 00:26:41]? What's a punani? Leslie (00:26:45):Hawaiian slang for vagina. Barnes (00:26:50):There you go. Leslie, you learned something today. The next time you hear punani ... Leslie (00:26:54):I learn every week on the Pop Culture Show. Barnes (00:26:57):So now listen to this song with a whole new ears. (music) Cubby (00:27:06):And we found our Pop Quiz question for next week. Barnes (00:27:12):All right, three more. I didn't know that this guy was still making music. This is another ... Can you tell who this is? Listen. (music) This is new. Cubby (00:27:28):I will tell you I like it. I love that house sound. Barnes (00:27:31):Billy Ocean. Cubby (00:27:33):Billy Ocean? Get the hell out. I love it. He's '70s, right? Barnes (00:27:35):It's called One World. His voice is so perfect. Leslie (00:27:38):I like Billy Ocean. Barnes (00:27:40):Two more. Aloe Blacc. (music) He's got a great voice, too. Leslie (00:28:01):He does. Barnes (00:28:01):Very distinctive. And last one, Phineas has a new song. We all know who Phineas's sister is, don't we? Leslie (00:28:07):Mm-hmm (affirmative), mm-hmm (affirmative). Billy Eilish's brother. Barnes (00:28:10):Yeah, Billy Eilish. I'm just making sure. (music) It's very sad. Who does he sound like? Sounds like almost ... Cubby (00:28:41):I was just thinking that. Like Coldplay for me. Barnes (00:28:41):Like a David Gray kind of thing. Yeah, like Coldplay. All new this week. Cubby (00:28:46):Barnes, Leslie, one of you have to have a Peloton. You strike me as Peloton people. I know for sure. Leslie (00:28:53):No, I have a rebounder. Cubby (00:28:55):What's a rebounder? Leslie (00:28:56):It's like a small trampoline. Barnes (00:28:58):Dude, she has it in her living room. Leslie (00:28:59):Yeah. I do 200 jumping jacks. Barnes (00:29:03):At random moments, they come over and do jumping jacks on a trampoline in their living room. I'm not kidding. Cubby (00:29:09):Well, God bless you. That's more exercise than what I'm getting. Barnes (00:29:11):I was editing last time I was there and all the sudden Lanie came out of nowhere and started flying in the sky like he's part of Cirque du Soleil. I'm like, "What's happening? What is this?" Leslie (00:29:23):But I have thought about the Peloton. Cubby (00:29:25):I've got great news because I've been thinking of a Peloton, too. It's been a little bit out of my budget. They are preparing to launch a cheaper treadmill and a new high end bike and they're going to cut the price of their existing bike. This new treadmill called Tread is going to cost less than $3,000 compared to $4,295 the current model. It'll be smaller and have a cheaper belt design like most other treadmills on the market versus the current models, slat design. The new stationary bike will be a premium offering called Bike Plus, and it will likely cost more than the current $2,245 version. Peloton will then drop the price of the existing machine to less than $1,900. That's the rumor mill. But shares have been falling. Leslie (00:30:14):That's really smart on their part. Barnes (00:30:16):That's a cult. It's almost like SoulCycle. Those people are into it no matter what you say. Leslie (00:30:21):Now, have you seen The Mirror? Barnes (00:30:23):I see the ad. Cubby (00:30:24):I've seen commercials for it. Leslie (00:30:26):It's pretty expensive, too. I think it's around five grand. It's expensive. Barnes (00:30:28):Is that a fake person or is it a real person? Leslie (00:30:35):I'm not sure. The designer, you mean? I'm not sure but ... Barnes (00:30:35):Can you like order like, "I want a blonde, 40 ..." Leslie (00:30:39):Your custom trainer. Barnes's custom trainer. Barnes (00:30:42):Can you build your virtual trainer or is it just a person that ... Leslie (00:30:44):That would be brilliant but... Barnes (00:30:46):... that pops on? I don't know. Cubby (00:30:48):Again, I'm happy about this because I've been on the border, I've been on the fence here and I think if it goes under $3,000. Leslie (00:30:55):He says that as he's tucking his shirt in. Cubby (00:30:57):I know because I'm feeling so fat guys. I really am feeling fat. Barnes (00:31:00):Put them in a category with Netflix. The pandemic has been very, very good to them. Cubby (00:31:03):Yeah, it really has. Barnes (00:31:08):Our next guest is the director of, as I put it last week, every show on TV, I think. Leslie (00:31:14):Pretty much. Barnes (00:31:15):Shark Tank, The Bachelor, Bachelorette, Family Feud, To Tell the Truth. Help me, Ken. Ken Fuchs (00:31:21):Celebrity Family Feud. Barnes (00:31:23):Celebrity Family Feud. Ken Fuchs (00:31:25):Misery Index. Barnes (00:31:25):See, I'm not kidding. Ken Fuchs, welcome to the show, sir. Ken Fuchs (00:31:28):Thank you. Thanks for having me. Leslie (00:31:30):Ken, how did you get started? I mean, this is pretty incredible resume. How does one get started as a director and now you have this incredible resume? Ken Fuchs (00:31:38):Well, that's a good question. I think if you ask 10 directors, you get 10 different answers. My path was a little circuitous. I started in production right out of college and I worked my way up in the production ranks, which gave me a really solid footing in how things are done and actually, I think made me a better director. Then somewhere along the line of being a production manager or line producer, I started AD-ing, assistant directing and then that led to directing. So I sort of moved up one ladder, jumped sideways into the more of the directing track and then got my break on a late night NBC talk show called Later with Greg Kinnear, which was a 1:30 AM talk show. Bob Costas used to host and then Greg took over, and I was the AD on that for many years and then started directing that. Barnes (00:32:35):Well, what was the first big show? When I say big, prime time. How did that jump happen? Because that's a big you know, 1:30 in the morning AM, on a network is of course, it's a big break, but the shows you're doing now are iconic. Ken Fuchs (00:32:53):I don't know exactly. I think I came around ... My career kind of coincided with the advent of ... Well, there was always variety television and non-scripted television. So I had the late night gig and that led to a daytime talk show with Roseanne. The ill-fated Roseanne talk show. Barnes (00:33:13):That did very well though, didn't it? Ken Fuchs (00:33:18):Not particularly. Barnes (00:33:19):No? I thought it did well. Ken Fuchs (00:33:20):It ran for two years and it didn't do good. Barnes (00:33:22):Oh, Roseanne. I'm thinking of Rosie. Ken Fuchs (00:33:26):No, no, no. Not Rosie. Roseanne. Barnes (00:33:29):I can see that. That had to be problematic. Ken Fuchs (00:33:32):It was incredibly complicated every day. Barnes (00:33:37):Did she used to yell at people? Ken Fuchs (00:33:38):Yeah. She'd yell at you and she'd love you and she'd hug you and she'd ... She was unbelievable. It was everything you would think it would be. I look back on it fondly and she was actually ... We actually were very close. But it was very difficult and just chaotic. It was just a lot of chaos in her life and in her brain. But super talented. She would have the interview once a week and she would say things and ask questions that nobody else would ask. So I think she was actually brilliant and creative and talented in a certain way. And then sort of challenged in another way. Cubby (00:34:21):Well, Ken, now you got me wondering. I know you don't work with Ellen DeGeneres but she's been ... You hear people say she's difficult. Do you know anybody at that camp that [crosstalk 00:34:31] Ken Fuchs (00:34:31):Hundred and hundreds of people have been through that camp. Barnes (00:34:34):Is this a sensitive topic? Ken Fuchs (00:34:35):Not for me. Not for me, no. I have no problem ... I don't know the woman, I only did ... I actually did the pilot for that talk show. It wasn't an airing pilot so they call it a presentation. But because I was working with Telepictures on Bachelor, they brought Ellen into the stage where we were shooting a Bachelor show and did a quickie sort of talk show, a couple segments to see if it worked. Barnes (00:35:01):Like a mock up? Ken Fuchs (00:35:02):Yeah, mockup. Mm-hmm (affirmative), exactly. Barnes (00:35:05):And you're saying what? That she was difficult then? Ken Fuchs (00:35:08):I don't know it was difficult, but I certainly didn't feel that warm and fuzzy feeling at the end of it. So I can't personally pass judgment on her. But I know over the 17 years of that talk show, the stories coming out of there have been pretty consistent and not very flattering. Barnes (00:35:27):So these stories aren't new. These have been going on for years. We're just not hearing ... I mean, this is the first we're hearing of them? Ken Fuchs (00:35:32):Yeah, of course. Barnes (00:35:33):Wow. Leslie (00:35:34):That's amazing. Barnes (00:35:35):Well, all eyes are going to be on her next week when that show comes back because she's going to have ... Do you think she's going to give like a speech or something when she comes out? Ken Fuchs (00:35:41):I mean, I guess so. I mean, she has to do some kind of damage control. I think I read something recently where she's offering something to the staff and crew in terms of ... I can't remember what I read, but definitely there's stuff going on there. Cubby (00:35:57):She have to pull an Oprah, "You get a car, you get a car," to everybody in the audience. Barnes (00:36:01):That's something. Ken Fuchs (00:36:01):Maybe. And maybe she didn't know everything that was going on. I know those executive producers a little bit. And I know a lot of the stories revolve around the atmosphere on the show and not necessarily Ellen per se and exactly personally. You never know on any show, really, what the disconnect is between production and the talent. Leslie (00:36:24):Ken, now the audition process is happening for a lot of these shows. I mean, obviously, you're looking for larger than life personalities. What sort of things are you guys looking for? Because it's got to make for great TV. Ken Fuchs (00:36:39):I think it's hard to pinpoint and that's why it's hard to know what will work. I'm not involved on the executive level or the corporate level in terms of deciding who they back for a show and who they don't. But I've done a handful and I've done some that I thought would be very successful with really talented lovely people. I did the Megan Mullaly daytime talk show for NBC and it was an incredible experience, but it didn't quite catch on and for whatever reason didn't go forward. I've done great shows that don't go move forward. And then I've done other shows that like The Bachelor that have lasted 20 years and ... I don't know if there's any explaining it really. Barnes (00:37:27):Well, any show you watch, if you pay attention, you're going to see at the end, "Directed by Ken Fuchs." Ken Fuchs (00:37:32):Let's hope. Barnes (00:37:32):Let's hope. It's funny to hear you go, "I need to pick up another show." Like, "Dude, you have Shark Tank, Bachelor, Bachelorette." Ken Fuchs (00:37:41):But you know this business, Steve, if you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards. Barnes (00:37:44):Well, you're pretty forward. Ken Fuchs (00:37:45):I'm pretty lucky. Let's put it that way. I have two shows for 20 years and one for 12. That's almost unheard of. And I thank my lucky stars every day, but all three could get canceled tomorrow. So you always want to be meeting new people and challenging yourself to expand your career. Cubby (00:38:06):Ken, I love the behind the scenes stuff. So one of the things I heard early on, I think, Barnes, you told me first. Is it true they do, like the Rose Ceremony taping, usually by that time, it's 5:00 AM because they've been drinking and hanging out and that's why sometimes everybody's a hot mess? Is that true, the Rose Ceremony is always early morning, practically? Ken Fuchs (00:38:24):It's a long night. Bachelor is a long process and it's a long night. So the first night they're meeting 25 to 30 people. So that's just incredibly long process anyway. Barnes (00:38:40):And there's a bartender, Cubby. Full on ... Cubby (00:38:43):Anything you want, right? Barnes (00:38:45):It's a huge bar. Ken Fuchs (00:38:46):Not me, not me. Barnes (00:38:47):No, yeah. But the bar is huge. Ken Fuchs (00:38:48):Well, the bar and that whole situation has also been toned down over the years because it was a little bit much. But each Rose Ceremony, as the season progresses, there's fewer cast members, the nights get shorter and shorter. The first night's really very long. Barnes (00:39:07):How did the people keep track? So when you're talking about these 20 ... The first night, there's all these people. How are people keeping up with these side storylines and with all the things that are going on in that house? Ken Fuchs (00:39:20):The producers, you mean? Barnes (00:39:22):So is there a producer for each person? Ken Fuchs (00:39:24):Not quite, but there's a lot of producers and there's story people and, you just kind of like any other reality show, you're behind the scenes, you're monitoring and keeping track of conversations and what's going in which direction and who she's talked to and who she hasn't and who needs time and who's going to get time. Somebody will get into a situation where they're sitting down for one-on-one with her and some guys might meet her with three of them at once. I think over the course of the first night, we try to give each guy or each gal a chance to have at least a few moments with them. Barnes (00:40:03):Cubby, Leslie, as you go into that house, which is actually someone's house, The Bachelor Mansion, how long does the guy live there? A couple years? Ken Fuchs (00:40:12):No, it's been there a while. Barnes (00:40:13):So you go in, if you ... Ken Fuchs (00:40:15):Well, we've been there eight years. Barnes (00:40:16):Yeah, a long time. You go in the garage and they've transformed this guy's garage into literally a control room. So there are cameras, I mean, there are screens all over the wall, there are people watching every little move. Then you go into ... What room has the producer, a room with all these producers who are watching individual feeds and crafting storylines? Or they ... Ken Fuchs (00:40:38):Exactly. There's chances for everybody to watch everything and you can kind of call up what you want to see or what you want to hear. Barnes (00:40:45):It's amazing. Ken Fuchs (00:40:46):Yeah. It's like if you were in a television studio, you'd have a control room or a truck. So when you're on location, you have to build out that infrastructure and that technology, which is a massive undertaking. Our team is incredible. Barnes (00:41:02):Have you guys ever busted anyone having sex? Ken Fuchs (00:41:06):No. Barnes (00:41:06):I'm surprised with all the liquor that's flowing and just the people trying to make a statement whether it's a guy or a girl. Ken Fuchs (00:41:11):No. There's not really that much opportunity for them to be alone off camera ... Barnes (00:41:17):I mean, they know the cameras are there but they're like, "Screw it. I'm going to go for it." Ken Fuchs (00:41:21):Now you're getting more into the Bachelor in Paradise world. Barnes (00:41:24):We can shift to that. Ken Fuchs (00:41:25):Well, I don't do that show so I can't speak on Bachelor in Paradise specifically but I think the rules on Bachelor in Paradise are different than the rules on Bachelor. The rules on Bachelor have always been try to keep things ... We don't want to have that happen early on because it just takes a ... Barnes (00:41:45):Well, fantasy suite is a fantasy suite ... Ken Fuchs (00:41:46):Fantasy suite is in Episode Nine when they're down to three. So until they're down to three ... Barnes (00:41:53):Keep it in your pants. Ken Fuchs (00:41:54):Yeah. Barnes (00:41:56):Until they're down to three and then it's all game on. Ken Fuchs (00:41:58):Then it's all good, yeah. Leslie (00:42:00):Ken, one of the shows you work on that I am obsessed with and literally can binge all day is Shark Tank. Do the sharks know in advance who they're about to meet? Ken Fuchs (00:42:12):So here's a very interesting thing about Shark Tank. And it's really fascinating because when you think about producing, if you were producing a show, you would want your talent to have as much research and information about what they're about to see and hear so they'll be prepared to make good television or radio. In this case, the producers were right on about this. It's exactly the opposite. They literally do not and cannot know anything about the companies or the products or the businesses because, A, it would give them an unfair advantage. But B, you'd lose the whole process of discovery and that discovery ... Ken Fuchs (00:42:50):So when you walk out on that rug and you say, "I have a scissor that cuts through anything." whatever it is, then go in, they start from ground zero. Who are you? Where are you from? What's your backstory? How did you get here? Why did you get here? What are you going to do with the money? What's your long range strategy? How do you scale ... All those questions, if they had any of those answers, they wouldn't ask those questions and that discovery process is what's so interesting to you and me as the viewer is these really brilliant investors asking really thoughtful and deep and important and meaningful questions that I either wouldn't have thought to ask or I wouldn't have put together. That discovery process is really the whole show. Barnes (00:43:33):I could watch 15 of those in a row. I mean, honestly, Leslie, it's an hour. When they come in and pitch, right, Ken? It's an hour-ish? Ken Fuchs (00:43:44):It's edited down into there's four per hour. So there's six acts. Two of the businesses get two acts and an act is seven or eight minutes. It's basically a half, it can be as short as a half hour, it could take as long as an hour and a half. But once they hit the rug, they do their 90 second pitch or two minute pitch, and then it's on. It's just Q and A, question and answer. And it sort of needs to go as long as the shark needs to go. We're a little bit at the mercy of the sharks because they're spending their own money. So we could hope that Mark Cuban makes a decision really quickly and decides to spend half a million dollars but it's half a million dollars. And if it takes him an hour to get to that decision, then it takes him an hour. Barnes (00:44:31):It's fascinating to watch. Ken Fuchs (00:44:33):I'll tell you what, what's really interesting to me is the whole process. When that hour is cut down to eight minutes or 15 minutes, it's still great on TV, obviously. It's the best of the best. But sometimes just that long process of watching it all go down in the studio is really fascinating. Barnes (00:44:53):As an entrepreneur, Leslie, sometimes when I'm in LA and they're in production, I will mark off a day on my calendar and I'll go there and I'll sit from 10:00 AM to 6:00 at night and watch the entire thing. Ken, come [crosstalk 00:45:07] Leslie (00:45:07):I totally see that, yeah. Barnes (00:45:08):Ken goes, "Dude, are you bored?" I'm like, "No." I mean, literally, it's like you're watching business deals go down with billionaires and you're a fly on the wall. Leslie (00:45:19):And they all play their roles so well. Especially Mr. Wonderful. Ken Fuchs (00:45:23):Yeah, that's right. Over the years, they've sort of crafted and created their own personas. And Barbara and Robert does his thing and Laurie. But Mr. Wonderful's one of my favorites, too. Cubby (00:45:38):Ken, do they set up a clunker? Like, "All right, we know this is not going to go well. We have to run." Ken Fuchs (00:45:43):Not we really but we shoot ... It was a 22 episodes, we have 88 companies and we'll shoot a few more than that and we prepare them to do well. In other words, we don't want them to come out there and lay an egg and not be ready. So the producers work with them for a while to get them up to speed and what to expect and to do their best. But this certainly turns out to be clunkers. Sometimes they're just, we can't have everyone get a deal, right? That's not the goal and that's not as interesting. But also the sharks they're so smart, they're going to get to something that probably or might be problematic and then they're going to pass. Barnes (00:46:30):I think some people listening might think that you're just covering for the show when you say that they don't know anything. What's fascinating is everything's covered up. So when they change out say, between Cubby pitching and Leslie pitching, the sharks go over and grab M&Ms and do whatever they do, go to the dressing room, whatever, and then they bring out the new stuff. It's all covered. Then the sharks actually have a team sitting 50 feet away on their laptop, who also don't know what's coming. So then Cubby comes out the door and these guys are researching it for the first time. Ken Fuchs (00:47:05):You don't want to have the ... Again, you want the process of discovery. You don't want them knowing, and so we keep the props and the art department on one side of the stage away from the sharks and away from their [crosstalk 00:47:17] people. Barnes (00:47:17):I love that it's authentic. Ken Fuchs (00:47:17):Yeah, it's pretty authentic. Exactly. And look, that's always the word everyone throws around. And it's really the word. It's really, really the critical part of what makes any of these show successful, Bachelor included, which is the authenticity. If you really believe and you feel and you know that this is happening live and in the moment, it's just so much better. Barnes (00:47:41):Do you think you're desensitized to these personalities and these billionaires? I think that it would be weird to be around that many people as your job every day that are that influential and you're seeing this circus of A plus personalities moving around and you're directing them. Ken Fuchs (00:48:04):Yeah, I guess so. Although they're sort of in my backyard. The stage, that's my familiar place and more so than theirs. Now, if I were to go into their companies or their boardrooms, I'd probably be nervous as hell and freak out. But they're in my playing field and they want to do well and they want the show to do well and they want to come off on, they want them to do good deals. So we're there to sort of help them. They're also just lovely, lovely people. We've had great guest sharks, but our six originals are just all, to a man and woman, just lovely, sweet, nice, smart, collaborative people. Barnes (00:48:44):It's intimidating. Cubby, imagine this, one of the times that I was there, we were going to go to lunch. Ken, we're going to walk across the lot, it ends up being at one table. Me, Ken, Richard Branson, and Mark Cuban. Leslie (00:48:59):That's a little intimidating. Barnes (00:49:00):I just sat there and didn't say anything hardly until we started talking about the Caribbean. But it was just weird to see these two billionaires just shooting around. Like, "Yeah, whatever, whatever. Hey, what Caribbean island should we go, " I mean it's just ... Branson, of course, owns a Caribbean island but it was just weird ... Cubby (00:49:19):That they were talking like we would be talking at lunch. Barnes (00:49:21):And then just like it's normal but then we go inside and Ken's like, "Give me the phone. I need to get a picture." You got to picture Branson. That's the first time I've seen you do that, get a selfie. Ken Fuchs (00:49:31):I was a little fanboy of Branson and ARod. I had to get a picture with ARod and send it to all my Red Sox fan friends. Cubby (00:49:39):Ken, how's taping going to be going on with the COVID thing going on? You're going to be in a bubble? Ken Fuchs (00:49:45):We've done a lot of combinations. All the shows have done a really great job. A lot as you know are back in production. Some are more remote, Zoom style and everybody sort of remotely ... Barnes (00:49:57):Who's Zoom? Ken Fuchs (00:49:58):It wasn't the voice ... Barnes (00:50:03):I thought you're saying your shows. Ken Fuchs (00:50:05):No, no, no, no, no. Different shows are doing different things. But basically, the non-scripted world is getting back into production pretty successfully and with super strict protocols. Testing, masks, social distancing, Plexiglas. Barnes (00:50:21):What about Shark Tank? How is that going to work? Ken Fuchs (00:50:21):Shark Tank's back in production. You'll have to see it. I don't want to give away too much. We've tried all the shows. Same with Family Feud, which we're shooting here in Atlanta. We're trying to maintain the basic bones of the show. So when you watch it as a viewer, you'll be able to appreciate it, enjoy it just like any other season. But there are some ramifications and there are some accommodations in terms of social distancing. Barnes (00:50:49):But what about sharks? Can you talk about where it's being shot? It debuts on the 16th. Ken Fuchs (00:50:55):I can't remember whether it's a secret or not, but what production has done is created a bubble. Exactly what you were saying, Cubby. We try to create somewhat of a bubble so that the cast and crew are safely in this together and without so much coming and going and external factors in terms of any elements that might create a COVID situation. Everyone's willing to do it. The crew is all very happy to do it. Everyone's thrilled to be back to work. As difficult as it is with the masks, I'm sure everyone knows, it's worth it to A, stay safe and B, be able to be back at work safely and still making good television. Barnes (00:51:45):Do the Shark contestants come out with a mask on? Ken Fuchs (00:51:50):No, so the unions have done a really thorough job of coming up with recommendations. The IAA and the DGA and SAG-AFTRA have really work together on coming up with their blueprint for what production will look like going forward. The on-camera talent has a mask. Everyone wears a mask as long as possible. But then if you're rolling and you're on camera, you can take off your mask. Then the hair makeup and wardrobe people, anyone working, there are sort of zones, so that zone closest to the talent, they call them different things on different shows, but those people are most heavily protected. Protected for their sake and also for the artists, for the talent's sake. Then people more behind the scenes like myself are in another zone. We have different protocols. But it's all the same stuff. Wiping down everything thoroughly, constantly. So things are taking a little slower, taking a little longer, and that's okay, because we all want to be safe. Leslie (00:52:54):Ken, I have to ask this question. I mean, you're a mega director of all these television shows. What are do you doing in Barnes's basement? Ken Fuchs (00:53:04):I ask myself that very same question all the time. Barnes (00:53:08):Because we have good steak. Ken Fuchs (00:53:09):The other day I went and I was like, "I'm getting a little depressed." Although it's really, I'm pretty happy to be here. And then I went open up my shade and I was staring at the ground and I realized, "I'm in a bunker and it's a bunker mentality." And you know what? It's that mentality that gets us through production. Everybody's in it together. We're all just keeping our head down and working hard and not focusing on how things are different than they used to be. But no, I really appreciate Steve's offer because it's really beautiful. Barnes (00:53:41):Stay calm. We feed him steaks, we take him to the local eateries. Ken Fuchs (00:53:45):It's not bad. Barnes (00:53:45):Laundry. Ken Fuchs (00:53:46):It's not bad. Barnes (00:53:47):Well, let's talk about your house in Calabasas, California. You have some very interesting neighbors like Kim and Kanye. Ken Fuchs (00:53:57):Hidden Hills has kind of blown up. When I first moved Calabasas, Hidden Hills was a little sleepy little town and then with the reality shows and ... Who was it? Jessica Simpson and ... Barnes (00:54:10):Do they live in Hidden Hills? Ken Fuchs (00:54:11):No, they lived in my old neighborhood in Calabasas. So that started the craze of reality shooting and Hollywood. And then rich people became very aware of who was out there. I lived on the same street as the Jenners in my old house. My boys grew up with Kendall and Kylie, and roughly the same age. They moved eventually. Kris moved to Hidden Hills and the kids moved to Hidden Hills and I moved to Hidden Hills. It's just a whole thing now out there. Barnes (00:54:45):Your house was ... Who was it? Nick Carter? Ken Fuchs (00:54:46):Yeah, my house was Nick Carter [crosstalk 00:54:48] Barnes (00:54:48):Nick Carter's house. Ken Fuchs (00:54:49):Yeah. When he took the gold records off the wall, there's still the mark on the wall from ... Barnes (00:54:57):Trick or treating in your hood must be insane. You got The Weekend, you got Kim and Kanye. Who else? Cubby (00:55:03):I don't know. You don't recognize them because they're wearing an outfit. Ken Fuchs (00:55:06):Yeah. I'm not sure they're doing the whole ... I'm not sure they do the whole trick or treat thing. Drake's in there. And there's a lot of old school Hollywood. It was kind of a enclave of writers and composers. It's a little far out of town so it's not people who really want to have 9:00 to 5:00 necessarily but a lot of creative types out there. Barnes (00:55:31):There's a little van, Cubby, Leslie, sitting down in front of Kim and Kanye's. I guess that's their security or just some dude just sitting in there? Ken Fuchs (00:55:37):I'm sure the security. Barnes (00:55:39):Which is in a secured gated thing and then you got the little dude in the van. Ken Fuchs (00:55:44):I haven't tempted fate but ... Cubby (00:55:46):Little dude in the van. I'll give you a podcast right there. Barnes (00:55:49):Hey, the next week on Little Dude in The Van. The reason he's here is because of Family Feud. It got moved back here ... It was here for many years and went to LA. Then why did it come back? Ken Fuchs (00:56:00):When Steve Harvey took over, we came out here. That was 10 years ago. We did seven years here in Atlanta. And then Steve got very busy in LA with his talk show and Little Big Shot so we just decided to do Feud back in LA because he was already in LA most of the time. And now he's back mostly in Atlanta so we're back in Atlanta. We were in LA for three years and now we're back here. Steve's just, I mean ... Barnes (00:56:27):He's insanely funny. Cubby (00:56:28):I've met him a couple of times. Such a nice guy, too. Ken Fuchs (00:56:31):It's such a perfect blend of talent and format. Barnes (00:56:34):But the thing is, Family Feud sucks. Hold on, let me finish my sentence. Leslie (00:56:38):Wait a minute. Barnes (00:56:39):Sucks compared to when he's off on a break of Family Feud. If you could capture the commercial breaks, the dude is on all the time. Leslie (00:56:51):I can see that, yeah. Ken Fuchs (00:56:52):He's unbelievable. I'm like, "Steve, why don't you take a break?" Some hosts go in the back and take a break or ... Barnes (00:56:59):He's on it like he's doing a stand up gig. Ken Fuchs (00:57:02):He feels really committed to an audience that's come and to see him. It's really like going to a live stand up special every day. Barnes (00:57:11):So what now? Now he doesn't have a full audience. Ken Fuchs (00:57:12):Well, it's interesting. Now, I thought it would really suffer and I didn't know how he would handle it. For some hosts and for some comics, that would be deadly not to have the two or 300 people out there. But he's amazing. I think his experience and his ... He's just such a hard worker. He's really giving it his all and he's doing great. The shows are as funny as before. The audience is really just a handful of family members that aren't playing that game and somehow he brings it to life and he's doing his best job ever. Because when you watch it on TV, we'll sweeten it, you won't ever know that it's not a full audience. Barnes (00:57:54):You know how he does that stare, Cubby and Leslie? Cubby (00:57:57):Like he knows what we're all thinking? Barnes (00:58:01):He does a lot with his eyes. Cubby (00:58:02):Right, right. Leslie (00:58:03):His expressions are priceless. Cubby (00:58:04):It's great. Barnes (00:58:05):Watching him tape one time, somebody gave him a wrong answer. And so a production person or something walked up and gave him a card and the card said the wrong thing, right? So they start taping, he goes, "Survey said ..." They do it and it was the wrong thing. He immediately started making fun of himself when Miss Universe or Miss America, whatever, when they gave him the wrong card, remember that? Ken Fuchs (00:58:29):That was classic. Barnes (00:58:29):Whichever one it was. He started making fun of himself. Like you see him just start rolling about, "This has happened to me before." People are laughing and cackling. Then in an instant, he just snaps, I mean, it's like a snap and he goes right back to it. And he goes right back to presenting the show. His outtakes, I wish ... Ken Fuchs (00:58:49):His outtakes are amazing. Barnes (00:58:50):They need to publish that. Ken Fuchs (00:58:51):Maybe. The long form streaming version, too hot for TV. Barnes (00:58:56):Well, thank you for coming on. We could talk for hours about your shows. We need to mention of course, that October 13th, The Bachelorette returns. I've tried to put a gun to Ken's head to get some scoop because there's all kind of talk going on about the drama happening on the season. I guess we're just going to have to watch. Ken Fuchs (00:59:15):It's so much better to find out for yourself. Leslie (00:59:18):Ken, this was fascinating. Thank you. Ken Fuchs (00:59:20):My pleasure. It's great to meet you, guys. Barnes (00:59:22):Bachelorette, October 13th. Shark Tank, October 16th. And Bachelor, when? Do we know that? This year? Ken Fuchs (00:59:31):We're shooting but it airs in its typical frame, which is ... Barnes (00:59:35):January? Ken Fuchs (00:59:36):Yeah. Cubby (00:59:36):Roseanne's still canceled? Ken Fuchs (00:59:38):Roseanne's still canceled. I haven't heard from her, yeah. Barnes (00:59:41):I don't know that you will. She's off on an island. All right. Ken Fuchs, thank you for coming on the Pop Culture Show. Ken Fuchs (00:59:48):My pleasure. Barnes (00:59:52):There was a story this week that when I heard the audio and saw what had happened, it was freaking unbelievable. Did you hear about this tower story at LAX? Leslie (01:00:02):No. Cubby (01:00:02):I heard it from you, but I haven't heard the whole thing. Barnes (01:00:04):Listen to this clip. This is a pilot approaching LAX calling the tower with a problem. Speaker 8 (01:00:10):Tower, American 1997, we just passed a guy in jetpack. Speaker 9 (01:00:14):American 1997, okay, thank you. Were they up to your left side or right side? Speaker 8 (01:00:18):Off the left side. I think maybe 300 yards or so. I don't know. Barnes (01:00:27):A jet pack. The pilot just passed a guy on a jetpack at 3,000 feet. Cubby (01:00:33):And it was you, probably. Barnes (01:00:34):It was my new toy. Can you imagine? Leslie (01:00:37):Was it David Blaine? Barnes (01:00:38):I know, right? He was the guy with balloon. "We just passed a guy with balloons." A dude with a jetpack at 3,000 feet. Cubby (01:00:46):That's pretty interesting, actually. You know they have that problem with drones all the time. But a jetpack ... Barnes (01:00:51):A human at 3,000 feet near your plane. Cubby (01:00:55):Wait, did you say 3,000 or 300? Barnes (01:00:55):3,000. Leslie (01:00:57):That's insane. Cubby (01:00:58):That is really insane. Leslie (01:01:00):Was somebody filming a movie? Was it a stunt man? Barnes (01:01:05):I don't know anything about jetpacks and honestly, I have not looked into buying one. But 3,000 feet seems really high. Cubby (01:01:10):A jetpack would be very cool to have though, wouldn't it? I've always worried would I burn my feet though. Barnes (01:01:15):Drones are limited to 400 feet. So if you see a drone at 3,000 feet, that's a long way down. They're just giving up their drone because you only have so much battery. Cubby (01:01:26):Is it possible this pilot thought it was a jetpack, but maybe he was skydiving and he had not launched his parachute yet? Barnes (01:01:34):I think a pilot would know what a jetpack. Just listen to the beginning. Speaker 8 (01:01:37):Tower, American 1997, we just passed a guy in a jetpack. Speaker 9 (01:01:41):American 1997, okay, thank you. Were they up to your left side or right side? Speaker 8 (01:01:45):Off the left side. I think maybe 300 yards or so. Barnes (01:01:53):300 yards from a jet. Cubby (01:01:55):Yeah. I mean, he's lucky. That jetpack guy or girl is lucky that he didn't get caught up in the backwash if they're that close. Leslie (01:02:02):Barnes, you need to do a follow up for us on this. Barnes (01:02:04):Well, near an airport. Who would fly near an airport in a jetpack, anyway? Because you've got planes. LAX what? Arguably at the top five busiest airports? Cubby (01:02:12):Yeah. I tell you who would, dummies. Big dummies. Speaker 1 (01:02:20):This is Cubby's Pop Culture Throwback, a rewind into the vault of music, movies and moments. Cubby (01:02:26):Well, guys, I thought we'd go back to this week the year 2000. Not too long ago, but it's still weird to say, "20 years ago it was 2000." That's still hard to believe. Right? Barnes (01:02:37):That was pandemonium where everyone thought clocks were going to stop working. Cubby (01:02:41):Y2K. My mom bought all that Y2K crap, by the way. All kinds of signs and T shirts. Barnes (01:02:47):Where were you when the clock rolled in 2000? Cubby (01:02:50):I was doing a live broadcasts for Z100 right near Times Square for 1999 to 2000. How about you, Barnes? Barnes (01:02:59):I was in London on the trip for Doc Martens. We've given away something on 99X and we took people to see [crosstalk 01:03:06] Leslie (01:03:06):I have those photos by the way. Barnes (01:03:07):To rollover. Cubby (01:03:08):We get that two frame? Leslie (01:03:09):Yeah. I have photos of us in some pub, Barnes. Barnes (01:03:12):You were there? Leslie (01:03:13):Yes. Barnes (01:03:15):Wow, I forgot that. Leslie (01:03:16):Remember we took a bunch of people ... I have the photos. I saw them the other day. We had fun. Cubby (01:03:23):Well, here are the big songs that were on the charts after Labor Day Weekend the year 2000. On the pop charts, Janet Jackson from the Nutty Professor soundtrack a song called Doesn't Really Matter (music). I know you guys are playing alternative music but you know the song? Barnes (01:03:42):I've never heard that in my life. Leslie (01:03:43):I have. Barnes (01:03:44):What? Cubby (01:03:47):Great song. All right. Number one song on the country charts this week in 2000, it was a song called That's The Way by Jo Dee Messina. Am I saying that all right? Leslie (01:03:57):Yeah. Jo Dee Messina. (music) Cubby (01:04:07):I'd never heard the song until I got the hook for the show here and I like it. Leslie (01:04:10):It's good. Cubby (01:04:12):It reminds me of a lot of things around at that time that we're crossing over pop like Faith Hill and the Shania Twain's of the world. Barnes (01:04:19):I fully thought you're about to play a guy. Jo Dee Messina. Leslie (01:04:24):That's right. Cubby (01:04:25):I know, right? I didn't know ... Barnes (01:04:25):I mean, you hit me with that. Cubby (01:04:29):The number one song on the R&B charts this week in the year 2000 was a song called Wifey by the group Next (music). Leslie (01:04:40):I don't remember that song. Barnes (01:04:43):Dude, I must have been in a vacuum in 2000 because I don't [crosstalk 01:04:45] Leslie (01:04:44):What happened in 2000? Cubby (01:04:46):Their big song on the pop charts was (music). Barnes (01:04:55):Okay. Cubby (01:04:56):Okay. The number one song on the pop ... I'm sorry on the modern rock charts this Week in 2000, the song starts and it's all hooked. Are you ready? (music) Barnes (01:05:11):Love it. (music) Cubby (01:05:11):Title and artist, please. Title and artist. Barnes (01:05:17):Papa Roach. Cubby (01:05:19):And the song's called? Barnes (01:05:19):Last Resort. Leslie (01:05:20):A lot of the '99, 2000, a lot of the stuff in the world was hard. Barnes (01:05:25):That was a big shifting year. Leslie (01:05:26):Yeah, it was a big shift. Cubby (01:05:28):The number one movie this week in 2000 was a thriller, I have totally forgot about it actually, starring Keanu Reeves, James Spader, and Marisa Tomei, it was called The Watcher. Here's a clip of the trailer. Speaker 10 (01:05:43):Now, the killer you couldn't stop ... Speaker 11 (01:05:45):Don't play hard again. This will be far from truth. Speaker 10 (01:05:50):... has come calling ... Speaker 12 (01:05:51):We have received another photograph. Speaker 10 (01:05:53):... for his next victim. Speaker 11 (01:05:55):Do you think some of your patients might pay to come to see you because you're very pretty? Cubby (01:06:01):That's bad. Leslie (01:06:04):Every time I hear Keanu, it's like ... Cubby (01:06:06):I know. You remember that movie though? The Watcher? Barnes (01:06:10):No. Leslie (01:06:10):I never saw it. Cubby (01:06:11):No. It was number one. Barnes (01:06:13):I didn't exist in the year 2000. I'm not knowing one of these things besides Papa Roach. Cubby (01:06:20):If you don't know this one, we have a problem. Everybody was watching this TV show this week in 2000. Speaker 13 (01:06:27):From the four corners of the continent, we have flown them to New York City. People just like you who pulled off phone number dreaming of instant riches. But one of them sees this day have the knowledge and the courage to change the course of their lives in one short evening starting tonight and every night for the next two weeks. Join us from New York City as we play Who Wants to be a Millionaire? Barnes (01:06:49):Rest in peace, Reg. Leslie (01:06:53):I know. Made me sad when he just ... Cubby (01:06:53):And that was this week 20 years ago, kids. Barnes (01:06:55):Thank you, Cubby. Please rate, review, and subscribe. Please, please, please. We are the Pop Culture Show.  
Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.Intro (00:00):Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie, and Cubby. Barnes (00:03):Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Pop Culture Show. I'm Barnes. That there is Leslie, and over there it's Cubby. Hey, what's going on gang? Leslie (00:12):Hello. Cubby (00:13):The band is back together for another exciting week, man. Barnes (00:16):We're back. Today, Charles Esten will be on the show today. A lot of people know him from Nashville, but most recently on one of the top five shows, called Outer Banks, on Netflix. He's the lead, he's the adult lead. There is a kid lead, or a couple of kid leads. You guys have to watch it, it's so good. Leslie (00:34):I definitely want to, especially because his character is so different from what he played on Nashville. Barnes (00:38):So Charles Esten is coming up, The Pop Culture, atthepopcultureshow.com is the hub. That's where you can listen anywhere you like to listen, like Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Pandora, or where ever you get your podcasts. Hey, next week Ken Fuchs will be on the show. He is the director of every show on TV. The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, Shark Tank, Family Feud, Press Your Luck, To Tell the Truth, maybe not Press Your Luck... To Tell the Truth, I can't even keep up with... Leslie (01:11):It's unbelievable. Barnes (01:12):It's unbelievable. Cubby (01:12):It'll be fun to talk to him and ask him a lot of questions about how things have changed in a COVID world. Barnes (01:18):So many stories from behind the scenes. Just on Shark Tank alone, imagine dealing with all those personalities on a daily basis, for hours at a time. It's got to be very, very interesting. So we'll talk to Ken next week. Got a shout-out to give out. Christina Warren at Microsoft in Seattle, who listens to our podcast, thank you. She was tweeting us the other day. She's a long-time listener, Fram, of The Morning X. Leslie (01:44):Thank you, Christina. Barnes (01:45):Back to when she was, I think she said she was like 10. Leslie (01:48):Of course. Makes us feel old. Barnes (01:50):No kidding. Cubby (01:51):Christina doesn't know me, but she'll be happy to know that I use a Microsoft Surface every day for the recording of this podcast and for my radio show. So shout-out to Microsoft. Barnes (02:00):I think she might know you because she lived in New York City and she was a writer for Mashable. Cubby (02:06):Oh, very cool. Yeah. I know Mashable. Barnes (02:08):So I have a feeling she knows who Cubby is. Cubby (02:11):Well Christina, thank you for the love and support of The Pop Culture Show. Barnes (02:14):We have some other great news. We're trying every tactic to get you to listen. So now we're going to cut right to the bribe... We're going to pay you. Cubby (02:25):Yeah. Leslie (02:26):Wow. Barnes (02:27):We have money. This is called Pop Quiz and we will start this next week, because we have to tell you about it first. Cubby (02:34):So basically, starting next week you have a chance to win $50. We're going to ask you a question about The Pop Culture Show, a question from a past episode, correct? Barnes (02:42):Yeah, and it's not going to be easy. Cubby (02:43):Right. It's going to be kind of hard. Barnes (02:45):Not the past, but the week prior. Cubby (02:48):Right, the week prior. Exactly. And then if you od not get the question right, well that's a win for everybody else because that $50 rolls to next week, and it goes to $100. And then it goes to $150 if nobody gets it after that. And who knows, if this goes on for a year, we may be up to $25,000. Barnes (03:07):And you'll be in serious tax debt. It'll be fabulous. Cubby (03:10):And we'll have a problem. A big problem. Leslie (03:11):Wait a second, why don't we have Ken Fuchs, who's the director of Family Feud, just be the director of the pop quiz for The Pop Culture Show? Barnes (03:17):We're expanding, people. We're expanding. Leslie (03:19):It's so easy. Just go to the pinned post on Facebook and in the comment section just say, "Quiz me." Barnes (03:27):That's it. We're going to pick someone at random from whoever... We'll keep that as a running post. So this'll be an ongoing thing on the show until it's not anymore. Until we're broke and we have to start refinancing our house. Cubby (03:37):Right. Now this person is going to join us on the phone or on Zoom, and we're going to ask the question live.   Barnes (03:44):Pop quiz will be 10 seconds. So we'll say, "Cubby, on last week's show..." Who was our guest? Oh, Oz. "On last week's show, who said they were going to quit drinking Diet Coke? Go." Cubby (03:55):Right. And we'd be like, "Barnes." Barnes (03:57):Boom. Win $50.And then if they say, "Cubby," bum, bum, bum... Then next week it's $100. Too easy. Leslie (04:04):Do we get winning music too, Barnes? Barnes (04:07):Oh, man. There's not enough time in the day. Cubby (04:09):No, I agree. We need some fanfare. Leslie (04:11):Yeah. Barnes (04:12):We will. We'll do it up. We'll do it up. Yup. That'll start next week, so please just go to that post and put, "Quiz me," if you want to be in the running to get quizzed. You guys have a good week? Cubby (04:22):I had an amazing week. I got to tell you... Guys, pumpkin spice is back, man. Barnes (04:28):At Starbucks? Cubby (04:29):Starbucks and Dunkin. It's the earliest they've ever started it. It started August 25th I believe for both. And I tell you, I'm a big fan. What about you guys, are you pumpkin spice people? Barnes (04:39):You sound like you've had four of them right now. Cubby (04:42):Hey man... Well that and the Adderall. But I'm tell you. Leslie (04:46):We learn something new about Cubby every week. Barnes (04:48):Jäger, Adderall, pumpkin spice. Leslie (04:52):Dang. Cubby (04:52):Leslie, are you a pumpkin spice fan? Because you strike me as a pumpkin spice fan. Leslie (04:55):I am, I'm a little concerned about the calories in there. Cubby (04:58):Oh, who cares? Calories don't count. Barnes (05:00):I just asked Cubby about a calorie count on Jäger this week because I'm concerned. Cubby (05:04):Yeah. It's like 100 a shot I believe. Barnes (05:05):Heather looked over at me, she was playing your story and goes, "Cubby's drinking again." I was like, "At what point... And now I've got other people telling me to lookout for my co-host." Cubby (05:14):Well you know what it is... Look, Barnes, you have two kids and when they were that young, you had to drink a little more to keep up with them. Barnes (05:22):Truth. Cubby (05:24):It's a long days, and daddy needs a little treat. Barnes (05:28):You do make a good point. Cubby (05:29):Yeah. Barnes (05:30):That's the highlight of your week, that pumpkin spice is back? Cubby (05:32):Pumpkin spice is back, fall is in the air, I love fall. I'm just happy as can be. How about you, Leslie? Leslie (05:40):I dropped my phone, my cell phone, in between the washer and dryer- Barnes (05:43):Good! Leslie (05:44):[crosstalk 00:05:44] no space there. [Lannie 00:05:47] was out of town... Not out of town, Lannie was not here, and I kept hearing my phone ring and so I'm in panic mode. I tried every utensil in the kitchen, from tongs to anything that would reach down. So finally I was like, what else in the house can I use? Barnes (06:04):I would have paid to have seen this. Leslie (06:05):So I found a hanger. So I get this hanger, now I've made it worse. Now, as I'm trying to get my cell phone in between the washer, dryer, I push my cell phone under the washing machine. Cubby (06:18):Oh, you made it worse. Leslie (06:19):Made it worse. So I shimmied... Which, by the way, it's kind of heavy. I shimmied the washer out a little bit, I climbed on the dryer, seriously climbed on the dryer, got some tongs from the kitchen, dropped myself onto the floor under the washing machine, and got my cell phone out. This went on for like an hour and a half. Cubby (06:43):Leslie has the best stories, man- Leslie (06:45):I do have the photos to prove it all too. Cubby (06:47):I thought you couldn't top the whole following a random truck story, but this might be up there- Barnes (06:52):It could be- Cubby (06:53):It's incredible. Barnes (06:53):I was only applauding because I thought, "Finally she's broken that damn Android and she's going to come into iPhone." Leslie (06:59):No. No. Cubby (06:59):By the way, Leslie, was this during business hours, so peak time where the phone was ringing like you said, and people needed you? Leslie (07:04):Yeah, it was peak time. It was peak time. I thought Lannie was going to call and get nervous. Barnes (07:08):Keith Urban's calling.   Cubby (07:09):Where's Leslie? Barnes (07:10):Yeah. She's between the washer and the dryer. Cubby (07:13):That's great. Barnes (07:14):Nice. Leslie (07:15):What about you, Barnes? Barnes (07:17):I'll do it quickly, I got my flu shot. I think it's a first time ever. Leslie (07:21):Really? Barnes (07:21):I just happened to be at Public's and they were like, "Get a flu shot and we'll give you a $10 gift card." I'm a sucker for a gift card, hit me. So I got a flu shot. I busted a PI out in front of my house. Leslie (07:21):What? Barnes (07:34):So there was a private... I kept noticing this car, this car with super tinted windows, camped out in my space. And so I got my gun and went outside. I'm like, "Whoever this is..." Leslie (07:51):Was your gun visible? Barnes (07:52):It wasn't in my hand. I wasn't in full... But you don't know these days. Leslie (07:56):Okay. Okay. Barnes (07:56):What someone's going to do. And I thought the guy was dead. I thought the dude in the car was dead. So I'm looking through, and tint was so dark that I had to look through the front window. So I did old fake on the phone, walked past. And then I turned and looked in the car, and the dude didn't move. And I'm like, "Okay well he's dead." So, that was my first thought. I thought, "This dude is dead." So I started doing, you know when the cop comes up behind you on the side of a car? You can't see him, but he can see in? Cubby (08:26):Right. Barnes (08:26):So I started doing that, and I had one hand on my gun, because I didn't know what was going to happen. I thought, "Well if this guy's dead, maybe whoever killed him is behind him in the seat." I can't see in the car at all. So I get up there and I look in, and then all of a sudden the door cracks and I'm like, "Whoa, hey!" The dude gets out, and he goes, "Sorry. I'm a private investigator." I'm like, "Well, then I guess you're not investigating me, because I guess you wouldn't be so obvious." He said, "No." I said, "Well dude, half the block is already calling the police because you've been sitting here for 10 hours with your car running and we thought you were dead or you were up to something no good." He said he was on an insurance case. I was like, "So, you want to come on our podcast? We can talk about..." I'm not kidding. Cubby (09:15):Now I feel like a loser. The highlight of my week was pumpkin spice, and you guys had death and MacGruber going on over here with Leslie. Unreal. Barnes (09:26):I suck. Leslie (09:27):Is that a line you would ever do, being a PI? Barnes (09:29):Just for fun. It's all very mysterious. Leslie (09:33):So I have a question for both of you, Barnes, Cubby. Have you ever, in Hollywood, have you ever dated anyone 20 years younger or older than you? Barnes (09:43):No. Cubby (09:44):No. Not me. Leslie (09:45):Never ever? Well guess what- Barnes (09:46):Maybe in my dreams Leslie (09:47):Guess what? We have the world's first extreme age gap dating site. Barnes (09:52):This is a real thing? Leslie (09:53):20 Dating. So you could date someone 20 years younger or 20 years older. It's a new app- Cubby (09:53):What? Leslie (10:01):Yeah. It's pretty extreme. It's funny because when I saw this story, I thought of all the actors in Hollywood because most of the guys are dating people 20 years or more younger than them. Barnes (10:11):It's these dudes in their 70s that are dating 40 year olds. There are a lot of them. Leslie (10:17):Yeah. The site only matches users with people 20 years younger. Yeah. Barnes (10:17):Dennis Quaid. Leslie (10:17):Yeah. Barnes (10:21):I know he's one. Leslie (10:22):He just got married. Barnes (10:23):Harrison Ford is at least 20 over Calista Flockhart. But that's been a while. There's several of them. Cubby (10:28):And then Brad Pitt has a new chick. Leslie (10:30):New German model he's dating who's I would say 30 years younger than he is. Cubby (10:36):It's a shame nobody here is single on this show, because it would be fun to have somebody on to test it would. But I would never try it out- Barnes (10:43):You would go older, right Cubby? Cubby (10:44):Me? No. No. I'm 49, man. Barnes (10:48):That was just a joke. Leslie (10:50):By the way, the app is called Gaper. G-A-P-E-R. Barnes (10:54):The name is even bad. Leslie (10:57):It's unbelievable. Barnes (10:58):So what do you think is their biggest demographic that goes on there? Girls in their 20s trying to get a sugar daddy? Cubby (11:05):I think sugar daddy. That's exactly what I was going to say. It's young girls looking for the older guys. That's my thought. Leslie (11:09):You don't think it's older guys looking for the younger girls? Cubby (11:11):Well that too. I think it goes both ways. Leslie (11:12):Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Barnes (11:12):So it does go both ways, because the older guys have the cash, which is what the younger girls want. Cubby (11:16):Correct. Barnes (11:17):They just have to give up the booty. I've heard about so many of these things where these girls get into... And I've actually met people in travel who are with someone that old. You get them drinking and they'll start telling stories. Literally will go sit in their room, the dudes, will go sit in their room all day, and these girls are out doing everything. And then you'll see him at dinner and the girl's just a little trophy hanging on his arm. Cubby (11:46):Oh, yeah. Barnes (11:46):It's the weirdest thing. Leslie (11:48):It's super weird. But they want a different lifestyle, potentially. Barnes (11:51):Correct. Cubby (11:52):And both are happy. I think the older dude is happy because he has the arm candy. And she's eating lobster and steak, it's a win-win. Leslie (11:59):Curious to see how popular though this app will be. Chadwick Boseman (12:04):Evacuate the city. Engage all defenses. Get this man a shield. [inaudible 00:12:12]. In my culture, death is not the end. Leslie (12:30):So sad that we learned of the passing of actor Chadwick Boseman. That was him bringing the Black Panther to life. I was shocked when I saw the news because no one knew that he was sick. He had stage 3 colon cancer that he got in 2016, and he never told anyone. So he had been battling with this for years. Barnes (12:47):I thought it was one of those internet memes. Cubby (12:49):Me too. Barnes (12:49):I thought it was one of those fake death high profile person that's so sad. Cubby (12:56):43. Leslie (12:57):And if you look at the movies that he made, he brought a lot of these heroes, these black heroes, to life. I don't know if you ever saw the Thurgood Marshall movie he did called Marshall, I watched last night because I had never seen it before. Get on Up, the James Brown movie. He brought James Brown to life. It was unbelievable. Have you ever seen him play James Brown? Cubby (13:16):Nope. I never saw that movie, but I saw the clips. You would think you're watching James Brown. Leslie (13:21):And then of course, baseball icon Jackie Robinson in the movie 42. Just incredible movies at a young, and for him to die so young at the age of 43, it's tragic. Barnes (13:32):Dude not only had skills but had just something inside him that's different than everybody else. He filmed a lot of those big movies while going chemo and going through treatment. Cubby (13:42):And nobody knew. And it's funny how he treated his fans like gold. He really was an icon both on film and real life. He just was a super good guy. Never met him, but I heard he was one of the nicest guys. Leslie (13:57):And the stories that are coming out from all the actors, as you know that he played with, especially Denzel Washington who had a statement the other day saying he was, "A gentle soul and a brilliant artist who will stay with us for eternity through his iconic performances over his short, yet illustrious career." Denzel, by the way, financed his studies at this theater program and the University of Oxford. Sad story. Are you guys following Nandi Bushell the little 10 year old phenom drummer? Barnes (14:28):She's awesome. Cubby (14:29):No. Barnes (14:29):How did she become a thing? She just one of these people that started playing the drums on YouTube and... Leslie (14:35):Yeah. I think she's got almost 100 thousand followers on YouTube. But she was inspired early on by seeing a drum kit of Ringo Starr's, but she's a huge Foo Fighter's fan. She's been on a lot of TV shows, she's already been on every morning show and Ellen. But anyway, she challenged Dave Grohl. I don't know if you ever saw her do her drum-off of Everlong, but she challenged Dave Grohl and Dave came back, I guess Dave got a lot of tweets- Barnes (15:02):He did. Leslie (15:02):Dave just accepted. Dave Grohl from the Foo Fighters accepted Nandi Bushell's challenge. Barnes (15:08):Check this clip out, this is him. He has just played Everlong, and I'm a drummer, I will tell you that playing a Foo Fighters song will take the breath out of you completely, like most of them. So that's why he sounds like he's breathing heavy, he just played Everlong. But here's his response, he did video back to her. Nandi Bushell (15:26):Hey everyone. Dave Grohl has just responded to my battle request. I can't wait to watch it. Let's see what he says. Dave Grohl (15:33):In the last week, I've gotten at least 100 texts from people all over the world saying, "This girl is challenging you to a drum-off. What are you going to do?" Now look, I've seen all your videos, I've seen you on TV. You're an incredible drummer. I'm really flattered that you've picked some of my songs to do for your videos and you've done it all perfectly. So today, I'm going to give you something you may not have heard before. This is a song called Dead End Friends from a band called Them Crooked Vultures, which is me playing drums, Josh Homme from Queens of the Stone Age playing guitar and singing, and John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin playing bass. This is my response to your challenge. So now the ball is in your court. Barnes (16:29):Dave Grohl gets it on so many levels, it's unbelievable. He's so smart to play these games. Cubby (16:35):And she is going to be Cindy Blackman. Barnes (16:38):She's awesome. Cubby (16:39):You know who Cindy Blackman is, right? Leslie (16:40):No. Cubby (16:41):The drummer for Lenny Kravitz- Barnes (16:43):She looks like her as a kid. Leslie (16:44):She does look like her and it's funny that you say Lenny Kravitz because if you go on her YouTube page, Nandi is jamming with Lenny Kravitz at O2 Arena. Barnes (16:54):It's just wild hearing them, "Yeah, so here's the song. It's me on drums and John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin on guitar. Have fun with that." Leslie (17:03):Anybody watch Bill and Ted Face the Music? Cubby (17:05):Last night. Leslie (17:06):You did? Cubby (17:07):I watched it because I loved the original. Leslie (17:10):It's really funny because originally they were going to have them as their older selves interacting with their younger selves, but they just went ahead and did I guess Keanu and Alex Winter, how do they look? Cubby (17:19):It actually looked pretty, they looked great. I really thought they looked great. Obviously they look older, but it was fun. I'm not going to lie, I was surprised. It's got I believe 78% on Rotten Tomatoes and I said to myself, "That's pretty good. I don't know if it's going to be that good." And actually, I was pleasantly surprised. Hour and a half, which is perfect, and it was fun. It really was fun. A lot of the older characters you kind of forgot about show up in the movie too. Barnes (17:43):I'm just all done with remakes. Cubby (17:46):Well, yeah. Remember we were laughing a couple weeks ago about all the reboots that Leslie had- Leslie (17:50):It's all there is. Cubby (17:51):All there is, yeah. Leslie (17:52):Original they said they were going to use CGI for George Carlin, but I guess they decided not to. But you liked it, what kind of rating would you give it? Cubby (18:02):B+. Barnes (18:02):Really? Cubby (18:03):I think that if you're my age, I'm 49 years old, so I was a kid when the first one came out, you'll like it for the nostalgia part. My wife, who's 10 years younger than me, she saw the original, didn't quite remember it that well, she was into the first 30 minutes and then I noticed she was on her phone a lot after that. Leslie (18:21):She was like, out. Barnes (18:21):Yeah. Cubby (18:22):And that's how you tell to me a good movie. If you're not looking at your phone a lot. Barnes (18:26):I yell at Heather for that. We'll start a new series- Cubby (18:29):Oh, I hate that. Barnes (18:30):And she'll be on her phone at the beginning, I'm like, "Listen, you got to put the phone down." Cubby (18:33):Especially when you know they're going to like it. I'm like, "Please, give it 10, 15 minutes." Leslie (18:37):The only time I'm on my phone is with live TV, or something that might be live, like a season finale... Because I want to see what people are saying on Twitter, the hashtags. Like Yellowstone last week, which, by the way, just killed it in the ratings. Apparently is the number one most watched cable telecast of the year. Barnes (18:53):Okay. Listen. I tried last night, I'm so sick of everybody getting up in my Yellowstone, "You got to watch, you got to watch, you got to watch." Leslie (19:00):Don't tell me you only watched one episode. Barnes (19:02):Hold on, we put it on and this is when I said to Heather, "Put your phone down, let's give this a chance." And then I was watching it and watching it and then like 30 minutes in, I just looked over, I said, "I don't know if it's just I'm not into this type of culture, or the surroundings and the whole thing. I'm just not into it." Leslie (19:23):That's so surprising because I think if you gave it a couple episodes... I'm so hooked on it. Barnes (19:28):Then that girl started getting undressed. And so that was about 40 minutes in. I'm like, "Okay, well hold on. Don't hang up yet. Don't hang up yet." But I still, it didn't resonate. I feel like it was a cowboy western Sopranos. Leslie (19:43):It's really good. I think Kevin Costner, some of his best work. I don't know, maybe try to give it a couple of more. Barnes (19:49):What are you watching, Fram. Give me something else. Leslie (19:52):Now I'm going back and watching old John Grishom movies, because the new movies just don't hold up for me. Barnes (19:58):You're not watching any TV shows? Leslie (20:00):No, not right now. Cubby (20:01):Right. It's kinds of quiet right now. Leslie (20:02):I just finished Yellowstone. What about you, Cubby? Cubby (20:04):I got to be honest with you, if we were doing this podcast a year ago, I'd be talking to you for an hour about shows I'm watching. But with the baby, and I'm not using this as an excuse, it's non-stop baby and usually when she's up and awake, we have some kind of baby show on. So my only down time is between 7:00 PM and 10:00 PM, and by that time I'm too tired. Yeah, I'm not watching too much TV. Barnes (20:25):We binged Indian Matchmaking. Leslie (20:28):I heard it's good. On Netflix. Barnes (20:30):Excellent. It was so good. It's a good character study. It was excellent and you binge it so fast. My only complaint is that the end of it, eight or 10 episodes, they don't really wrap everything up, they leave it hanging. But it was fascinating. And there's a thing called Bae Watch, have you seen that? B-A-E Watch? Leslie (20:47):Oh. A different Bay Watch. Barnes (20:49):Yeah. Don't waste your time. Netflix is touting it in that upper slider. Leslie (20:53):Mm-hmm (affirmative). Barnes (20:53):It's so bad. It's a U.K. dating show where they send these people to a resort for the weekend and they put cameras everywhere. So I think they're telling them they're on some other type of show, and then they put their family in the adjoining room, who have like 10 screens. Kind of Truman Show-ish, and they're dictating what happens. So they'll go and the director will do an interview and they say, "Ask him how much he likes, if he wants to go to the park later." Leslie (21:17):I won't like this. Cubby (21:21):Not good. Barnes (21:22):We started a second episode and they do the same thing. Cubby (21:25):Can I shout-out one movie, by the way? Have you seen The King of Staten Island? Barnes (21:27):Nope Leslie (21:28):Haven't watched it yet. Cubby (21:29):Surprise me. You'll like it. Do me a favor. It came out in June, it's still on-demand, Pete Davidson, based on- Barnes (21:36):I've heard that's good. Cubby (21:36):His real life story. It's surprisingly good. My wife and I were like, "Wow." Leslie (21:40):Can I tell you why I haven't watched it yet? There's been so much stuff about him, that I'm just like, "Ah..." Barnes (21:45):It's up and down. Cubby (21:46):Yeah, I hear you. Leslie (21:46):You know what I mean? Cubby (21:47):Yeah. Yeah. Leslie (21:48):I don't know. Barnes (21:49):But the best TV I'll leave you with for the week, Love Island. They're nailing it. It's on every night- Cubby (21:55):That's on CBS, right? I saw it last night. Barnes (21:57):Yeah. The biggest nights, for me, are Big Brother and Love Island on the same night. Leslie (22:00):I'm so not into any of those shows- Cubby (22:02):Neither am I- Leslie (22:02):I'm so more into drama. Barnes (22:04):Love Island- Cubby (22:04):I was channel surfing and I saw Love Island and I thought of you, Barnes. I always think of you. Barnes (22:08):It's number one.   Cubby (22:10):Because there's nothing else on. Barnes (22:11):No, there's a lot of things on. I'm telling you, they do great casting and it's good. Leslie (22:17):Give me 10 episodes of Shark Tank back to back. So now couple of Hollywood things, because we keep talking about Hollywood can't reinvent itself. The new trailer for Batman with Robert Pattenson, what do you think about him as Batman? He was a vampire. Barnes (22:34):Look-wise, yeah. I haven't seen any clips. Leslie (22:37):I think it might be really good. Cubby (22:38):Look-wise, it makes sense. But I want to see it. Leslie (22:41):And they've been talking about this for years, about a new Mad Max and now the rumor is it could be Chris Hemsworth. Barnes (22:46):I could see that. Leslie (22:47):I don't mind that. I do not mind that one bit. Now there's a rumor that Johnny Depp is asking for, you ready for this? $50 million for Pirates of the Caribbean. Which would be the 6th one. Cubby (23:00):Wow. Do you know how well that movie would have to do just to pay him? Leslie (23:03):I mean seriously. Cubby (23:05):I mean serious, that's crazy. Leslie (23:06):It would be half, right? Cubby (23:07):Yeah. It would be. Leslie (23:08):And finally, Katie Perry and Orlando Bloom have a little baby. I thought the name was cute, Daisy Dove Bloom. Cubby (23:16):And how good is her timing that her new album came out? Barnes (23:19):She dropped a baby and an album in the same week. Cubby (23:23):Well done, Katie. Barnes (23:23):That rolls nicely into... This was one of the biggest new music weeks that I have seen in a long time. I'm going to run through a couple of key ones, just so you know that they exist. One of them, of course, is Katie Perry. Katie Perry (23:37):(singing) Barnes (23:48):Her team knows how to produce a hit, man. They just crank these out and they sound excellent sonically, every time. Cubby (23:54):Yeah. I agree. Barnes (23:55):Smashing Pumpkins were teasing people on their webpage. They had a countdown, a mysterious countdown going on, no one knew what it was. Well now we know, it's a new album coming but they dropped two songs. Here's one of them. Smashing Pumpkins (24:06):(singing) Barnes (24:06):That one's called Seer. Leslie (24:06):It's such a undeniable voice. You always know it's Billy Corgan. Barnes (24:23):But he looks like he's right out of My Three Sons, or what was the... The Munsters. He looks like straight out of the Munsters in this video. It's a performance video, so it's supposed to be- Leslie (24:32):I need to look and see who's in the band now. Barnes (24:34):Everyone but Darcy. Here's the second one they did, it's called The Color of Love. The guy knows how to put a song together. Smashing Pumpkins (24:41):(singing) Barnes (24:53):So it's coming out in a couple of months. That's a thing now, Leslie, right? Everyone's putting out their music so early. Leslie (24:57):Mm-hmm (affirmative). They're releasing tracks every week, just bonus tracks from the album. And seriously with having the band back together, that's pretty huge for The Pumpkins. Barnes (25:06):Here's a new one, Calvin Harris and the Weekend, it's called Over Now. Calvin Harris, The Weeknd (25:09):(singing) Leslie (25:16):I love The Weekend. Barnes (25:17):I think all these songs sound the same. Cubby (25:22):Well that's you showing your age. Barnes (25:24):I know. Cubby (25:26):We're officially that age now, we're like, "What is it with music these days?" We're doing what our parents would do. Barnes (25:31):But in that genre. I feel like it's just a big baseline and Auto-Tuning. That's just me. Cubby (25:37):No, I'm with you. I agree. But that's just where music is right now. Barnes (25:40):Well again, I'm pointing only to that genre. This guy is like the singer's singer, Chris Stapleton. Everyone that is a serious singer, this is his new one called Starting Over. Chris Stapleton (26:02):(singing) Barnes (26:02):Would call him country, Fram, or would you call him just... Leslie (26:12):Yeah, he's country. He's one of the best song writers in town, too. He's incredible. Barnes (26:16):Yeah. Everyone loves that guy. Keith Urban came out with a flying one. Keith Urban (26:29):(singing) Barnes (26:33):One thing about Keith Urban people don't know, he can shred the guitar like more... He can blow away some of the best rock guitarists. Leslie (26:40):One of the best guitar players ever. Barnes (26:42):Yeah. Leslie (26:43):He does a lot of rock songs too in concert, he'll do Zeppelin and stuff. Barnes (26:45):He can shred, shred. Okay, and the last one is... This band put this together in 1986 and never released it, and now they've got this box set coming out. Tell me if you can name the band. Tears for Fears (26:58):(singing) Barnes (27:12):Cubby? Cubby (27:13):Wow. Wow. No, I'm sitting here thinking... Barnes (27:16):Heather guessed Wham. I said, "Well that would be good, but yeah, no." Cubby (27:20):Yeah. No George Michael. Leslie (27:20):Who is it? Cubby (27:22):Who is that? I really don't know. Barnes (27:23):Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Cubby (27:25):Tears for Fears. Leslie (27:27):Really? Barnes (27:27):Yeah. Cubby (27:27):Dammit. Barnes (27:28):They've got a huge box set coming soon. Tony! Toni! Tone! (27:32):It's amazing, sincerely, it's unbelievable. 150 years people have been looking for that goddamn gold. None of them could find it, you found it. Charles Esten (27:42):Here's the thing son, finding it? That's where your fun ends. That's where all your problems begin. Barnes (27:49):Ladies and gentleman, our guest today is Charles Esten. That was him doing his acting thing in Netflix powerhouse, Outer Banks. Hey, Charles. Charles Esten (27:59):Hello. Good to speak with you guys. Cubby (28:02):Great to have you here, man. Leslie (28:02):So excited. Cubby (28:04):So excited to have you. And can I start from the very beginning? Because I know you've done a million things, and we're going to get to all the things, but it all started with a game show. I'm a big game show buff, you were on Sale of the Century back in the late 80s? Leslie (28:19):What? Charles Esten (28:20):I absolutely was. Let me first start by saying, "Hi," to my friend Leslie, because I love Leslie Fram so much. We got to know each other through Nashville, she was there on my greatest day ever when we announced that we got that CMT pickup on stage. Hi, Leslie. Leslie (28:36):So good to talk to you. I can't wait to get caught up today. Charles Esten (28:38):Oh, I can't either. Now going back to that game show, that game show was so crucial, so pivotal to everything else it's kind of scary. I went to college and over the summers I would do construction and try to raise a little money. I didn't know what I wanted to do yet, I had a couple friends that went out to LA and were making it work, so I thought maybe I'll try it. I went out there in I guess September, and I think I was out there maybe a month, and I was already flat broke. I was sleeping on a mattress with all my clothes in a milk crate in a house full of stunt men. I didn't have enough money to stay, and I didn't have enough money to go home. Back then there was no internet, I was just flipping through something called the recycler in the local newspaper, and they had all these game shows that were auditioning.I've been a TV buff my whole life, I grew up addicted to it. So I thought, "I'll do that." But I thought to myself, "I don't want to do one that's pure chance, like Wheel of Fortune, where you're just bankrupt on a roll of a wheel. I don't want to do one like Win, Lose, or Draw, or Pyramid where you're depending on some idiot celebrity to help you win your money." And I didn't want to be on Jeopardy because I thought, "I don't think I'm quite... I might win one Jeopardy, but I won't do well enough to make some money." So I found a show called Sale of the Century. I loved it. It was like Jeopardy but the questions weren't as hard, but you had to be fast. You had to be really fast. I guess I was pretty fast because five days later, I walked away with $34,000 in cash and prizes, as they say. That was almost like God saying, "You can stay." Barnes (30:23):What was the tax on that? Charles Esten (30:26):Yeah, it was brutal. It absolutely was brutal. Cubby (30:32):But that's where the bug began, right here. From a game show, to where you are right now. Charles Esten (30:37):Well it certainly is the thing that made it all possible. By the way, it wasn't just the fact that I had to pay taxes, I had to sell all this stuff because some of it was cash, but most of it was these strange prizes like a child's bed shaped like a car, or a microwave. So I had to go on the recycler, the classifieds, and sell these things. I had these two massive cardboard boxes full of redwood that ultimately you would assemble into a sauna. I had to drive it out to some dude in Ventura and he wrote me like an $800-something check, and that was the first steak meal I had in Hollywood. Leslie (31:16):You have conquered so many mediums, from the big screen, television, you're a very successful songwriter and musician. In the very early days though, growing up, what did you see your career to be? Did you want to be an actor or did you want to be a musician? Or did you want to be both? Charles Esten (31:32):Well I was an inveterate showoff always. So it was one or the other. I didn't do a whole lot of acting. If I go way back, my family tells this story that when I was just a little guy, my dad said, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" And I think he was expecting, "Fireman," "Astronaut," and I said, "A clown." And by the way, this was long before clowns were creepy. They were just sort of fun and [crosstalk 00:31:57]. There was a day where clowns were actually beloved. In any event, he goes, "Why do you want to be a clown?" And I said, "Because I want to make people laugh."I think it was this super simple answer, but at the time, if I go back and if I'm in the therapist couch, there were some times where it wasn't that funny around my house. And so I always was the guy that wanted everybody, "Hey, everybody. Watch me do this. Let's all laugh, let's all smile. Let's not go down that road, for now." So there was a whole lot of that. But also, later I also come to understand what a song can do, if I could play a song on a piano or a guitar, that somebody might... If it was a funny song, they'd laugh, or if it was something more sentimental, it might move them in some way.I guess the through line, eventually I didn't really do serious acting until I went to LA, but the through line through all of that I think I've come to find is, I want to make somebody feel something. And that's it. I want them to either laugh at Who's Line is it Anyway, or The Office, or be afraid of something from Outer Banks, or be moved and sad or heart warmed by something Nashville. That's definitely the through line, that's sort of what I get off on, is bringing an emotion to somebody that they didn't have. Barnes (33:12):Well, not that Outer Banks isn't good, but you can send a big thank you to COVID-19, because you had a captive audience that was latching on great content, and I think that gave it the booster that it needed to become one of the top shows on Netflix.   Charles Esten (33:29):Well, I couldn't really argue with you there. I think we would have had the younger audience, I think that would have been there, just by the nature of how great this young cast is. But I think you're right, I think all the families locked down. Tiger King had had it's day, so we knocked them off it's throne and Outer Banks took over. Yeah. Not that you would ever wish it on anything, but it was the timing that made this where families would sit around and watch this show. I think some of the older folks are going, "I think I like this more than I'm supposed to or thought I would." Barnes (34:03):You guys, everyone who hasn't watched it, do yourself a favor and spend those 10 hours watching it. I think you're going to enjoy it and Ward Cameron, you want to talk about a dick, Cubby. I'm just saying. Charles Esten (34:17):Spoiler alert. Barnes (34:18):Takes one to know one, right? Leslie (34:22):You were on this cultural phenomenon, which was Nashville the TV show, from ABC. I was lucky enough to work with you when we had it on CMT, but it was such a worldwide hit, and it wasn't just a TV show. You were part of these amazing musical tours, you and some of the cast members, selling out Royal Albert Hall, and O2 in London, and all of the soundtracks that came out. This wasn't just a regular show. What you guys did for the city of Nashville, putting it on the map, putting a lot of these venues on the map, literally saving the Bluebird Café. What was it like being in that moment? Charles Esten (35:03):Oh, Leslie. That job for me, that role of Deacon, it was such... They say, "My cup runs over," and sometimes you think of that, almost like a cup of coffee that has a little too much in it. This is more just like a cup under a waterfall because it was everything I had ever wanted. Look, when I got this, I was 46 and I had been in Hollywood a long time, and I've had a career that I was very happy with. I'd been on The Office, and Who's Line is it Anyway, a bunch of shows that you've heard of, but I'd never found a real home. I was always the guest star, the eight episode arc. So the fact that it came together on something of such quality, and such heart... And the music on top of that, because I was a singer, songwriter long before I was an actor. And so it's really sort of hard for me to square how wonderful that was. All I know is I loved every single moment of it.I feel very grateful for those things what we were able to... Look, all we did was turn a light on Nashville and on country music. If it hadn't been as wonderful as it is, it wouldn't have meant much. But thanks to Callie Khouri and her wonderful writing and all the great music that came out, whether it was T Bone Burnett, or Buddy Miller, or Tim Lauer. It was really something. By the way, that music is what's really cool about it because any other show, you can go back and binge Nashville like you can go back and binge anything else. But it has this body of music that I think stands up so strongly. You were talking about the international appeal, that still is a thing. Because of Nashville, I'm able to go over and be a part of festivals overseas. I, myself, got to go play the Royal Albert Hall. I swear to you, I never thought that was possible.I think there was a few things I had maybe let go, when you start getting to 42 and 43. And then at 46, this thing kicks in and all these things that I had let go came rushing back into my life. So I consider myself incredibly blessed and I'm incredibly grateful. I'm really actually very grateful to CMT because not only did we get two more seasons because of CMT, but in a real way, we sort of got to finish it, close it down, and it got to slow down a little bit. Part of the ABC-ness of it all was that intense, high energy, this wilder, more dramatic, people falling off roofs, all those things. And we could do that with the best of them, but I always thought our strongest moments were those quiet bluebird moments, those father-daughter moments, those two people in love moments, those human moments. And I think that's what draws everybody to the show. Anybody that ever got on the Nashville train never got off. I'm incredibly grateful for that. Cubby (38:03):In the current pandemic that we're just continuing to go through, it feels like it's never going to end, how is that affecting taping, for what you're doing right now? What's the protocol for taping TV shows? Charles Esten (38:16):Well we're in pre-production right now, I don't start until Monday and I can tell you that it is massive, it's a massive undertaking. You know shooting a show is already a massive undertaking, but what they're doing on top of it is extremely impressive. It's just, I can tell, a group of people, and this includes the actors guilds and Netflix and all our production that said, "This I important. We want to do this. But we want to do it safely." It's like the space program. There's so many protocols, everybody is wearing the masks. Like just to go get a wardrobe fitting today, the costume designer and the assistants have on their mask and their shield in front of their mask, and I have on a mask, and I've had my temperature taken at the door and I've answered questions. We're getting tested very often. So it's sort of like man, if we can pull this off, it will really be something. More and more I'm starting to believe that we can, just by seeing how seriously they're taking it, but they're also... They're taking it seriously so that we can do it.From what I hear also, when we're shooting it's going to be in pods, for lack of a better word. Usually everybody's all at work at one time in one place. I think this is going to be the actor and the directors come onto the set, figure out what they're going to do, then they exit the set. Now here comes lighting and camera, and they're going to do what they do. Then they're going to exit the set. Now here comes set decoration. So it is wildly intense and stringent. But with a whole lot of people saying, "Yeah. We're going to do it because we care about this and we want everybody to be safe." This will be a wonderful thing, put us in your prayers, if we can get away with this and create a season two of Outer Banks, the scripts I've read are fantastic and I think it's looking good. So we're just going to be all as careful as we can and make something as great as we can. Barnes (40:16):But can there be anything worse than being in that part of the country, at this time of the year, with a mask on your face? No. Charles Esten (40:24):We haven't shot outdoors yet, so I know what you're saying but I'm telling you, I'm that guy that's like, "Oh my gosh, what are we doing here." But when you care about something, and when you care about someone, I care about the show, I care about making it happen. Yeah. We're going to do it. We're going to make it work somehow, and I'm grateful that we get a chance to. Barnes (40:46):Well your credits are pages and pages and pages long... Party of Five, The Office, E.R.- Charles Esten (40:52):You're calling me old is what you- Barnes (40:54):[crosstalk 00:40:54] No, we're calling you successful. But all these shows, I would like to hear something in all of these auditions, somewhere in there, give me a story. And I'm not talking about, I doubt you're probably a casting couch candidate in the reverse world... Charles Esten (41:12):Never had that, no. Barnes (41:13):Give me something from an audition that stuck with you forever. Charles Esten (41:18):Well... Boy oh boy. There's been so many, and I've been really fortunate on so many of them. Probably the best one besides Nashville that I got was The Office, and the real quick story on that, and then I'll tell you one I didn't get... The Office was that I had known Rainn Wilson for a number of years because he and I shot a pilot where we played androids who solved crimes and spent maybe 30% of the show naked. So, I go to this audition and they say, "We understand you're friends with Rainn." And I go, "That is true." I go, "Did he tell you how we met?" And they go, "No." And I go, "Yeah, I bet he didn't." And then I described the show to them and I said, "Here's the thing. You give me this job, I show up day one with a DVD of that pilot." I wasn't even to my car yet and my phone was ringing, and I had the job. That's how I got on The Office. Leslie (42:17):That's a good one. Charles Esten (42:20):That pilot never aired, but it got me on The Office. But probably one of the hardest ones, every long career has your biggest disappointments and for me... I'm sure you remember that great, great mini series, Band of Brothers, HBO. Barnes (42:37):Oh yeah. Charles Esten (42:39):Yeah. It was wonderful. Tom Hanks producing on that and man, so many great actors ended up on that, great young actors playing these soldiers in World War II. So I went through all the auditions, I had a bunch of them, first you're just auditioning for the casting director, maybe she wants to see again. Now they bring in a producer, now you go back again for producers again. I swear, this many. And then I go back, and there's Tom Hanks in the room and I read with Tom Hanks. Barnes (43:09):Whoa. Charles Esten (43:10):And it goes really well. And I get a phone call later that night to go, "Well, it went really well. They really like you. They just want you to come back tomorrow for one more." And I'm like, "Oh my gosh. What do I got to do? This is killing me. I want it so bad." I wanted it so bad, you guys. And I'm thinking if Tom Hanks likes you, who needs to see you? Well I got my answer the next day when I walked in the room, and without being aware or ready for it at all, there's Tom Hanks in one chair and Steven Spielberg in the other. Barnes (43:38):Oh! Cubby (43:38):Oh, wow. Charles Esten (43:41):And that would have been enough, but basically Steven Spielberg stands up, I shake hands, and he's got a camcorder in his hand, back when that was a thing. So I'm acting out these scenes in a conference room, hiding behind a desk pretending I'm holding a rifle, then crawling across the floor, with Steven Spielberg's camcorder three feet from my face, and he's crawling with me. And I don't even know how I did it, I don't know how I crawled, I just wanted to stop at every second and go, "I really like Jaws," where do you even begin? I don't know where you begin, but I don't know what my face looked like, but inside I was imploding. And in any event, later that night or the next day, I found out that I didn't get it. Barnes (44:27):Oh. Charles Esten (44:27):And man, that one was brutal because it was such an incredible production, and on top of that, no matter what you do, it's hard not to walk away with the feeling that Steven Spielberg doesn't think I'm a good actor. Barnes (44:41):Who got it? Charles Esten (44:42):You know what? I swear to you, I couldn't tell you right now. I watched like half hour of Band of Brothers, I'm like, "I'm out. I don't care anymore." If I went back, I could find it. Leslie (44:53):I think Damian Lewis was in that show. Barnes (44:56):What was the character? Charles Esten (44:57):I know. I think it may have been him. I think it might have been that. Barnes (45:01):[Tommy's 00:45:01] going to look it up. What was the character? Charles Esten (45:03):I think it was Winter. Barnes (45:06):Winter? Charles Esten (45:07):I think that was... Colonel Winter or maybe... I think that's what it was. Barnes (45:13):We got to hear this. You were crawling around the floor? Charles Esten (45:18):I don't know what's funny about it, you guys are trying to look it up to rub my nose in this, "I'll tell you who got that job, Chip." Leslie (45:18):Yeah. Thanks a lot. Barnes (45:18):Well I think it's worked out okay for you. Charles Esten (45:29):Yeah, it took another 20 years, but I got there in the end. I tell you a sweet ending to that is that my wife, we've been together since college, so she was there, she's seen every step in the road, and I don't think I cried about it or whined too much but she saw how hard it was hitting me, in a way that most things don't. I'm a pretty easygoing guy. I never expected to get very job I read for, and I said, "I'm in this for the long haul," and no one's going to stop me because I'm not going to quit.But she could see how much this one was hurting me, and in the end, I found on my pillow a letter, a handwritten letter in an envelope basically saying, "I know how much this hurts, but you have to see it for what it is. This is a major step in your career. This is something that shows that you belong here." Just the sweetest letter about, "Your show is coming, I have no doubt you will get there."And when we were moving from LA to Nashville, I'm going through my desk and piling all my stuff, and I sit down in that chair, same chair I read it back in when I got it years earlier, 11 years earlier I think, and I unfold this letter saying, "Someday you'll get your show," and here we are packing up to go to Nashville to do my show." So, that was kind of a good button to put on the end of that. But yeah, I think it was Damian Lewis' role. Cubby (46:54):Damian Lewis. Got you. Yup. Yup. Yup. There it is. Barnes (46:57):Oh, so you know it was Damian Lewis? Charles Esten (46:59):I'm looking at it now with you, I have IMBD too. Barnes (47:03):[crosstalk 00:47:03]. You lost out to an incredible actor, at least you can feel good about that. Charles Esten (47:09):Believe me, I know. That guy's as good as it gets, so absolutely. Barnes (47:11):So looking at the cast, Collin Hanks got a role. I'd go back with nepotism complaints right now and just get that all unearthed. Charles Esten (47:22):Can you imagine if he got my role, that would have hurt a little more, I'm sure. Leslie (47:27):I'm not sure if Barnes and Cubby know this or not, but Charles Esten is in the Guinness Book of World Records. Did you guys- Barnes (47:34):For what? Leslie (47:35):You didn't realize? Cubby (47:36):I read that too. I read that too. Leslie (47:38):And I was a part of this, it was an amazing time. Charles, do you want to tell them about every single Friday that you did for what, 54 weeks? Charles Esten (47:47):Yeah. It was this amazing thing... It comes down to this, Leslie, while I was doing the show Nashville, I knew that this was only going to last so long and I don't ever like to leave a situation feeling like I left anything undone, like I left anything on the table, and here I am in Music City and I'm surrounded by these great songwriters, which has always been my deepest passion, and these great musicians and producers so I thought, "Am I going to do an EP? Or am I going to do an album?" And every time it kept coming around to that, my music at that time had not focused quite down on exactly who I was, but I had a whole bunch of singles, and they were all over the place, and I just didn't know if they held together as one. To me, and album should be an album for a reason. Especially in the years that we're in now, singles are singles. You can release them when you want.So I decided what I wanted to do, I figured everybody was used to watching me once a week and I thought, "Maybe they'll be happy to hear me once a week," so I went out and held my phone up and did a selfie video where I promised to release a brand new single every week, I think I said, "Until it's stupid." And it might have already been, but I don't know because who does that? Nobody does this. Leslie knows, you don't step on your own single, you give it time, you give it love. Well this was not that. This was me wanting to be as creative as I could. I tend to succumb to paralysis of analysis an awful lot. So this is me busing through that and just going for it. And I have to say, it was a shock to me when 54 weeks later, I had 54 singles. Leslie (49:31):Unbelievable. Barnes (49:32):That's unreal. Were you writing them as you went? Charles Esten (49:36):There was all kind of stages of them. I had some already, others I wrote as I went. Some I would get out of order, some jumped to the front of the line. It was the ones that made me just the most excited. Also I had some ideas, like where they would go. One would follow the next. I didn't want them to step on each other in terms of them being too similar. Almost like a long, long album. But also, if you ever go and look at that, the other thing is we had to... Usually if you do an album, the artwork is the artwork. We had to do a new artwork for every single for every week. So between all that, it was just an insane amount of work but it was the absolute definition of a labor of love. Barnes (50:17):That's unbelievable. Cubby (50:18):Did you know you were setting a record at the time? Or did you just keep going? Charles Esten (50:21):Oh, no. I had no idea. I didn't know. No, I didn't. I just kept going, and I kept going. Do I have one? Yeah. I just promised myself I was not going to... What I didn't want was to do one if I didn't have one. Like here's a song I don't like, but I need one, I'll do that one. So I never did that. And when I go back and listen to them, I have to tell you, I'm proud. There's not one that I was sort of like ugh, I should have stopped there. I love them all. Barnes (50:51):I want to play a clip of your latest single. You've got an amazing voice, and I have to admit, I didn't know you were a singer. Leslie told me that you... I knew you as an actor, not as a singer. Usually you hear, "Oh, I'll listen to it," and you're like, "Okay, here we go. An actor singing. Okay. Hit play." But actually- Leslie (51:07):He's amazing. Barnes (51:08):You know what you're doing. Leslie (51:09):And he's a great songwriter too. Barnes (51:11):Here's a quick clip of his latest song called Sweet Summer Saturday Night Charles Esten (51:31):(singing) Barnes (51:32):How much did Michelob Light pay for that? Charles Esten (51:38):Yeah. Not much. It was hard as hell to find a Michelob Light. They have that new version of Michelob Light, what's it called now? Oh, I forget, but it's something slightly different. So I wanted a bottle for the cover, and man, that was hard to find. But no, they have not paid a cent yet. That's free to them. Cubby (51:55):Do you like Michelob Light, or did it just rhyme? Charles Esten (51:58):No, it was what we would have been drinking back then. Cubby (52:03):Oh, got you. Charles Esten (52:04):Yeah. Michelob Light was of that era. It's not like a thing though. But it does have great syllables, Michelob Light. Drinking a Coors Light doesn't quite sing the same way. Barnes (52:15):Well Charles, thank you for coming on. Look up Charles Esten where ever you get your music, where ever that shall be. And also, you've got... When is Outer Banks coming back? I know you're just starting to film it, but when is it slated to return? Charles Esten (52:26):I actually don't know that. I should find that out. I'm not even sure they know actually, but we are just at the beginning of a very long road, we have 10 episodes we're going to shoot here. We're shooting here, I'm in Charleston, South Carolina right now and we're going to actually do some shooting in the Bahamas. Barnes (52:42):Really? Leslie (52:43):Nice. Charles Esten (52:43):Which is where the gold went. So this is going to be good. I cannot complain. Barnes (52:47):He's sitting on the Royal Merchant, everybody. Well Charles, thank you very much. I cannot wait for the next season to come out. We are total fans. Leslie (52:54):Cannot thank you enough. Love to the family, and thank you. Charles Esten (52:57):Aw, thank you so much. Leslie, real quickly before we leave here, I hear them call you Fram, I want to know if I can do that? Leslie (53:03):Oh, any time. Charles Esten (53:05):I've called you Leslie, am I close enough? I can call you Fram? Leslie (53:07):Yes. That's all Barnes calls me. Charles Esten (53:09):Yeah, I've noticed that. Barnes (53:11):One syllable. It's just easier. Charles Esten (53:14):It's way easier. I'm honored to be on the Fram tram. Thank you. Leslie (53:17):Thanks, Charles. Charles Esten (53:19):Thanks, Fram. Leslie (53:20):Thank you. Charles Esten (53:21):Appreciate you guys so much. Barnes (53:22):We haven't done Barnes Bitches in a while, and I had a moment this week that made me get excited about doing this segment again. My segment, chill with the exotic grocery lists please. If I'm going to the store and I could be you, so I'm just saying, if we, people, are going to the store and your significant other or whoever says, "Oh, you're going to the store?" And then you're already in motion and they say, "I have a few things on my list." And you're like, "Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It can't be anything exotic." My wife asked me to bring back skim milk and there is no skim milk anymore. Leslie (54:03):What? There's not? Barnes (54:04):So I was there for five flipping minutes staring at each of the milks, trying to find skim, I didn't see skim. Cubby (54:10):Are you sure? Barnes (54:13):I looked at every brand, I went down the whole... So much so I needed to go home and get a jacket, I was in that aisle so much. But don't ask... Maybe there's skim milk somewhere, but my Public's did not have it. And also she asked me to get celery salt. I'm like, "Whoa!" I don't know because when you got to the store, you know where your stuff is. I get the same stuff every time, bananas, non-exotics, easy things. Leslie (54:38):You can't go to the condiment section and get her some celery seed or celery salt? Barnes (54:42):Celery salt. I'm like, "What the hell is celery salt." But then they start playing, "Oh, get un-sour cream." What the hell is that? But seriously, these are exotic things. Leslie (54:52):Now wait a second, isn't- Cubby (54:53):Look, I love Heather, why isn't she doing the shopping? Barnes (54:56):We both do the shopping. I'm just saying, you got to chill with exotics. If you're sending your people to get stuff, don't come out of left field. Don't ask for, "Get seedless strawberries," what the hell? Leslie (55:09):I have to tell you, I talk to Heather about this and your, "Exotics," I mean, Barnes... Come on. Barnes (55:14):Which were what? What did she say? Leslie (55:16):So what. Because listen, if you have a recipe and it calls for celery seeds or celery salt, it's a little extra time, Barnes. Barnes (55:24):Right, but I- Cubby (55:25):I have this guy in China who's sending me seeds all the time. Barnes (55:29):That's a whole other conversation. Cubby (55:30):They're great. Barnes (55:31):It's a whole other thing. But, "Can you pick up some organic Pop Tarts?" Leslie (55:37):So you're calling this, "Exotics?" Barnes (55:40):An exotic is variable. If you're used to going to the store and you pick up your bananas, your whatever, and no Diet Coke anymore, because Dr. Oz yelled at me. I haven't had one since then. Cubby (55:50):Really? Barnes (55:50):Yup. I haven't had one. I'm on a roll. Two weeks. Leslie (55:52):I'm proud of you. Barnes (55:53):Fat free humus. Pick up some fat free humus, Cubby. If you're asking someone to go exotic for you at the grocery store, you're a big inconvenience, that's all. Leslie (56:02):Wow. Exotic. Cubby (56:03):Real quick and I'll let this go here, what about when you're behind somebody... You strike me as somebody, Barnes, that will be upset if you're behind somebody in Starbucks who's doing the elaborate order. Barnes (56:11):No, that doesn't bother me because that's different. That's them doing their order. Cubby (56:16):But it's holding you up. Barnes (56:17):It'd be if you, Cubby, ask me, "Get me a duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh latte with duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh." If someone says, "Do you want a burger, I'm going to where ever," you can't come out with, "Yeah. So I want one patty with cheese on it, one without cheese..." You have this long exotic list, then you're on your own. Then you go, "Nah. I'm out." You do it. Cubby (56:37):You're like a shark. I'm out. And for that, I'm out. Barnes (56:39):No, you go, you go. So that's it. Think about it. Be sensitive when you're send your people to the store. Leslie (56:46):This is a Barnes Bitch. Unbelievable. Intro (56:48):This is Cubby's pop culture throwback, a rewind into the volt of music, movies, and moments. Cubby (57:00):I thought it would be fun to go back to the first week of September in 1990. It was big year for me. I was about to leave my hometown to Virginia Beach, Virginia to do radio in Houston and the station I was working for, Leslie, you remember this, WGH in Norfolk/Virginia Beach- Leslie (57:18):Mm-hmm (affirmative). Cubby (57:18):They made the flip from top 40 to country and I wasn't very happy about that, and so I went ahead and moved to Houston. So all these songs I remember vividly. September 1st, 1990, the number one song on the pop charts this week, it was Sweet Sensation, If Wishes Came True. Sweet Sensation (57:38):(singing) Cubby (57:39):I know it's a cheesy pop song, Barnes, but do you remember it? Barnes (57:42):I don't. Cubby (57:43):Leslie? Leslie (57:43):I do not remember this at all. Cubby (57:44):This was a total Power 99, before 99X, Power 99. Leslie (57:44):Wow, I don't remember that. Cubby (57:51):The number one song on the R&B charts this week was Tony! Toni! Tone! Feels Good. Tony! Toni! Tone! (58:01):(singing) Cubby (58:04):1990 a big year for the whole new jack swing sound. On the country charts, Clint Black had a number one song, a song called Killin' Time. Clint Black (58:14):(singing) Cubby (58:14):Leslie, is this song still played in country music, or is it too old? Leslie (58:23):Some of the classic country stations. Yeah, he's doing an anniversary for that song. Cubby (58:26):Really? It's a great song. Leslie (58:28):It is. Barnes (58:30):Early 90s was good for country. With Garth, yeah... Leslie (58:35):Big resurgence now. Cubby (58:37):The number one song this week, back in 1990 on the modern rock charts, this is before Been Caught Stealing, Jane's Addiction had a song called Stop. Jane's Addiction (58:46):(singing) Barnes (58:58):Great song right there. The number one movie at the box office this week in 1990. Speaker 21 (59:02):What's happening? Speaker 22 (59:02):I think about you every minute. I feel like I can still feel you. Speaker 21 (59:10):The problem with you is you still think you're real. It's all up here now. You want to move something, you got to move it with your mind. Cubby (59:17):That would be Ghost, everybody. Number one at the box office. And finally, everybody was watching this show on TV, it was huge and you probably know the theme. Speaker 23 (59:32):(singing) Cubby (59:33):In Living Color was the big TV show this week in 1990. And that is 30 years ago this week, folks. Leslie (59:39):Wow. Barnes (59:40):I loved that show. Think about how many people's careers that show started- Leslie (59:45):A lot- Barnes (59:45):J.Lo- Cubby (59:46):Everybody- Barnes (59:47):Jim Carey, yeah everyone on the show became famous. Cubby (59:50):Huge. Yup. Barnes (59:51):Big time. Thank you, Cubby. That's it for the show. Please rate, review, and subscribe and we'll see you next week The Pop Culture Show.  
Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.Speaker 1 (00:00):Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie, and Cubby. Barnes (00:04):For those listening around the world just joining us, welcome to Barnes, Leslie and Cubby. By the way, if you're just joining us, you might want to go backwards. Some pretty incredible guests over the last couple of weeks and we've had a lot of fun, Kristian Bush from Sugarland, Lisa Loeb, Butch Walker, Goldberg, who all of a sudden a lot of wrestling people just found out he was on, they're showing up, Joe Gatto, from Impractical Jokers, Air Supply's Russell Hitchcock, Collective Soul's Ed Roland. A lot of shows, wherever you get your podcasts. Today, we have Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz. Leslie (00:36):That's a big guest. Barnes (00:38):I like him. Cubby (00:38):Do we have to wear a mask during this interview or are we okay with that? Barnes (00:42):We have to wear a mask. Please rate, review, and subscribe. Dr. Oz will be coming up in just a little bit. You can catch us on the iHeartRadio app, the Pandora app, Tesla's Buicks now, right Cubby? Cubby (00:52):Yeah. Barnes (00:53):We're going strong? Cubby (00:53):Going strong and Buicks and Lime Green Pacer's. Barnes (00:57):You guys have a good week? Leslie (00:58):Had a great week. Cubby, we never had a chance to tell you about the weekend. Barnes and his beautiful wife Heather we're here. Cubby (01:06):I know. I really was missing out. Tell me how big your farm is, by the way, because you talked about your farm. Barnes (01:11):It's big. Cubby (01:11):It's big, right? Leslie (01:12):Yeah, 40 acres. We came out here for a couple of nights. Barnes, Cubby, you have no idea how dedicated he is to this show. Cubby (01:22):It's work, work, work all the time, I'm guessing. Leslie (01:24):Well, there were a couple of days where I was like, "Yeah, let's go out. You can pet the horse and stuff like that. Barnes diligently sitting in my living room editing this podcast for the Pop Culture Show the whole day. Barnes (01:38):I was editing promos, Fram, and someone's got to do it. Cubby (01:42):Why couldn't you wait till you got home and enjoy your time with Leslie, Barnes? Barnes (01:45):I did enjoy my time with Leslie. Oh, I would, Cubby, but Leslie was on conference calls the entire time we were there. Cubby (01:50):Leslie, are you serious? Are you ... Barnes (01:53):Call a spade a spade. Cubby (01:54):Are you really on Zoom calls all day, because you say that and ... Leslie (01:56):I am. Cubby (01:57):... I don't believe it. Leslie (01:58):I'm on all day. Barnes (01:58):[crosstalk 00:01:58] Okay. Here we go. Here's an example ... Leslie (01:59):There's was an emergency. Barnes (02:00):No way Leslie. No. No. No. Cubby (02:02):Reenact it right now. Barnes (02:03):Hold on. They are like, "Let's go to lunch." We're going to go to Kentucky for lunch and we're in Tennessee, mind you. I'm thinking, "Oh gosh, how am I going to get any of this work done?" Then Lanny goes, "Oh, well, Leslie, why don't you write into Tesla so you can see what this whole autodrive thing is about, and Heather will come with me." I'm like, "Okay." Fram gets in within 30 seconds she's on a conference call, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got to take this. I'm sorry," the whole way. I couldn't even show her. I just put the car on autodrive and I tuned out and Leslie was like, "What do you have for lunch?" Leslie (02:37):He wanted to show me all the bells and whistles and yeah. Cubby (02:40):But I love it how most people are just nose deep in their phone. But you're just always on calls, Leslie, you're not really on your ... some people will stare at their phone and just swipe and do all that. Leslie (02:50):Right. Right. Cubby (02:51):You're literally on calls all day. Barnes (02:53):All day. Leslie (02:53):I will say that Heather and I went into this really cool antique place because Heather knows all about antiques. Barnes (02:58):For a fricking hour. Leslie (03:00):They stayed in the car, Lanny and Barnes stayed in the car. We were like, "You know what? I'm not going to stress out about this." We were in there for hour, hour and a half. Barnes (03:08):Lanny took a nap. I was running my phone battery down. At one point, I looked over and said something to Lanny, and he was asleep. Cubby (03:13):Did the Tesla autodrive follow a mysterious car out of nowhere in honor of Fram ... Barnes (03:19):No. It did not. Cubby (03:19):... like we talked about last week? I got to tell you, my wife heard that story. We were listening back to the podcast and she was crying. Leslie (03:26):It's true story Barnes (03:27):Well, Fram, she paid attention for just a few seconds. Can you talk about autodrive, Fram? What do you remember? Leslie (03:32):I just remember watching your dash. It was very impressive. Barnes (03:36):She was taking pictures of it and it was almost ... it was the car was a celebrity. She was taking pictures of the screen as it was driving us through Nashville. It's fun. Cubby (03:46):I do have a quick Tesla question by the way. Barnes (03:48):Yes, sir. Cubby (03:51):Because I'm really thinking about getting one because if you ... Barnes (03:51):Use my code. Cubby (03:51):I know, I will when I get to it. If I have the air conditioning blowing full blast and I'm charging a phone and my wife's charging her phone. Does that make the battery go quicker? Barnes (04:00):Go down? Cubby (04:01):Yeah, go down quicker, say, I'm on a long road trip and I'm using a lot of other things? Barnes (04:05):Minimal. Cubby (04:06):Minimal. Okay. Barnes (04:06):I turn the AC. if I go into eat lunch somewhere, I immediately turn the AC on as soon as they get out and let it stay on. Cubby (04:12):Right. Barnes (04:13):I mean, it doesn't even go down a percent. Cubby (04:15):You have what? What's your model again? Barnes (04:16):The 3. Cubby (04:17):The 3. Barnes (04:18):The Model 3 is four-package. You got to ride in it. You'll be convinced. Leslie (04:21):Plugged, no. Cubby (04:22):Yeah. Yeah. Plugged, no. Leslie (04:23):Well, needless to say, Cubby. We had a great time. Barnes (04:26):The farm is incredible. It's 40 acres. I'm not convinced she's seen more than one of those acres, where the actual house is because I'm just feeling ... because we went driving around in this truck that is a standard, the old-school truck, it seemed an old movie or something. Leslie sat in the back, might as well have been on a hay bale. Leslie (04:49):I sat in the back with Heather. Barnes (04:51):I could have sworn I heard her say a few times. I haven't seen this part yet. Leslie (04:53):I did not say that. I did not say that. Barnes (04:58):I don't know. It was just funny because Lanny runs the how. Lanny is a workhorse. Leslie (05:02):Yeah, he does on the show. Barnes (05:03):I mean ... Cubby (05:04):Can he name all the animals? By the way, how many animals do you have? Leslie (05:05):Only three. Cubby (05:07):Three. Barnes (05:07):Four, you got Bo. Leslie (05:08):Yeah. Well, I'm talking about outdoor. Barnes (05:11):Yeah. Leslie (05:11):Two donkeys and a horse. But I will say that Barnes did do some aerial shots for us. Barnes (05:17):I did. Have you gotten that bill yet, that invoice that come in? Leslie (05:20):Exactly. Cubby (05:22):Is your drone business ... Are you're going to be firing back up pretty soon you think? Barnes (05:26):We've been going strong the whole time. It's all commercial real estate. Cubby (05:29):Okay. Good. Good. I was wondering about that. Barnes (05:31):Nothing about that. Thanks for asking. It's been nonstop because of no one will travel. I mean, no one wants to travel. All these big developments now more than ever need stuff Cubby (05:40):Right. Barnes (05:40):Did you lose power this week, Cubby? Cubby (05:42):No. The only thing I did as I took our daughter, she's seven months old, me and the wife took her to the beach and she felt the ocean for the first time. Barnes (05:48):That's cool. Cubby (05:48):But I just want to real quick ask you guys. It was a great moment. We video taped the water. Barnes (05:52):Is it screened? Cubby (05:53):No. She loved it. She loved it. But my thought is how much I hate the beach. Because I think the beach, there's pool people and there's beach people, and I get it, the beach is beautiful. But isn't the beach a pain in the butt? Leslie (06:04):Yeah, I'm a pool person. Barnes (06:05):I'm pool people. Cubby (06:06):Yeah. There's so much too ... You have to lug so much crap. You have to set up. You have to find a spot. It was a windy day. There's sand blowing. You can't get your lunch. I mean it's just, I don't know why people love the beach so much. I've discovered that I really don't like the beach. Barnes (06:21):It is all the things you say. But the people that love it, they just ... I think that they are people that don't care about getting dirty or getting sand in their food. Leslie (06:31):I like walking on the beach, but laying out in the sun, no. Give me a float up bar anytime. Cubby (06:36):Correct. Correct. Yeah. Barnes (06:38):What's weird is, you mentioned your child, when my child who's now 18, we took her to the beach for the first time, she screamed in fear because of the water hitting her. She's checking into college this Tuesday for marine biology. Leslie (06:50):That's incredible. Cubby (06:52):Look at that. That's great. Barnes (06:53):Right, full turn. That'll be my Tuesday going down to check her in. We only get two-hour window. She has two other roommates and they tell you, "You're 9 to 11, you're 11 to 1, you're 1 to 3." Cubby (07:04):By the way, how quickly did she turn 18? Because everyone tells me how fast. Barnes (07:07):Eighteen years? Cubby (07:08):Well, yeah, okay, I get that. But everyone tells me how fast it goes. I'm only seven months into this and it's flying by. Now I get why people say they're going to be 12 before you know it. Barnes (07:17):So fast. Cubby (07:18):Yeah. It's crazy, right? Leslie (07:19):You got to catch all the little things at seven months, seriously. The next three years, you're going to be in fantasy land. Cubby (07:25):Right. It's a nonstop. Barnes (07:26):Okay. I've gotten blown up so far. We're seven minutes in. Leslie's gotten blown up so far. We have a listener question that might take care of the third. It said, "Hey, Barnes, Leslie, Cubby, do you ever have any outtakes that you don't share with us?" Cubby (07:40):Oh, gosh. Leslie (07:41):Uh-oh. Barnes (07:42):I thought, "Well, you know what? Yeah? Leslie (07:44):Man. Barnes (07:45):There was one last week. Leslie (07:46):The man who takes everything. Cubby (07:49):Well, wait, wait, wait a minute. Who are the crosshairs on? Barnes (07:52):That would be you. Cubby (07:53):Great. Okay. Barnes (07:55):Last week ... Now of course, a podcast is a taped show. We taped the show. There's very little editing, but there is a mastering process that makes it. You can actually hear us. We're all three in different locations, New York, Nashville, Atlanta. Sometimes there are segments when I'm editing that I take it out for the purpose. I do it for you, the people, the listener, so you cannot have to listen to stuff that you don't need to. However, I do save those things. Some people suggest that we maybe get a Patreon account where people can hear the unedited version of the show, which there's probably another good 10 to 15 minutes of content that maybe wasn't meant for the show or it can be a little racy or can be a little whatever. Leslie (08:41):Not a bad idea. Cubby (08:41):Right. Barnes (08:43):Last week we had a segment talking about, I believe it was ... Cubby you're playing clips of some sort from which ... what was that? Where were you playing clips from? Cubby (08:56):Was I doing ... Barnes (08:57):[crosstalk 00:08:57] I know. We're doing Netflix. Cubby (08:58):We're doing Netflix. Yeah. The Netflix thing. Yeah. Barnes (09:01):It was the Netflix thing. Cubby (09:01):Yeah. Barnes (09:01):You heard how it played out and you can go the last episode. It was very, "Hey, here's ... this is the Netflix sound and here's what it was supposed to be." Leslie (09:10):Yeah. The original ... Yes. Cubby (09:10):Yeah. The whole ta-dum. Barnes (09:11):Yeah. Cubby (09:12):We're talking about the different sounds that Netflix was considering and before the ta-dum took effect. Barnes (09:17):Here's how that segment played out. Unedited, so you can just hear what it's really like. Cubby (09:24):One of the sounds. I want you to see if you know which one it is. Is it A? Speaker 5 (09:31):Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats. The show is about to begin. Cubby (09:36):All right. Or is it B? Hold on a second. Where is it? Or is it B? Or is it C? Shit. Or is it C? Speaker 5 (10:00):Ladies and ... Cubby (10:00):Here we go. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Fuck you guys. Or is it C? Barnes (10:12):That's it we're back live. Cubby (10:16):Hey, can we play the DropLabs outtake? That was a half hour, I'll take. Your dumb shoes wouldn't get working because you did not hook them up. Barnes (10:23):There's nothing funny about that Cubby. Cubby (10:27):I will say you did a great job cleaning me up, because I listen back to that. Yeah. I had things all out of order on my computer and it was crazy. Barnes (10:35):But listen, the DropLabs was not my problem, it's your headphones. Cubby (10:37):No. I know. I know. But I remember we were trying to get it to work properly. Barnes (10:41):We don't take attention off of you, Cubby. It is your moment. Leslie (10:42):Notice how he immediately ... come on, Cubby. You're the star of this segment. Barnes (10:47):Yeah. Cubby (10:47):I bow down to you, Steve, thank you for being the edit master. Barnes (10:50):But didn't you see? Did you see how that escalated? We now know with Cubby you get about four times to frustrate them and then it's full on "F you guys." I mean, just ... Cubby (10:59):I wasn't really mad though. I was saying, jokingly, I know what you guys are thinking, man. Leslie (11:03):Was that a dearing? What? Cubby (11:03):Yes. Leslie (11:06):That was a dearing F you? Cubby (11:07):Because I knew you guys were like, "Come on, man. You're holding us down." I felt like the quarterback and I messed up a play. Leslie (11:11):Wait a second. Is that why you spent eight hours editing the show last week, Barnes? Barnes (11:15):No. Whenever it makes me laugh ... When I'm editing it, I just thought, "Okay, you know what? Companies do to get a little roasting because he throws out the roasts quite a bit. Cubby (11:26):Yeah. Well, that was fun. That was fun. Well, hopefully this will be an edit-free podcast for you. Leslie (11:33):Well, let's dive into some celebrity sleeve on ... Oh, there's an [inaudible 00:11:37]. Barnes (11:37):I don't even ... Hold it. I don't even have to edit this one. Cubby (11:43):Just keep editing there, celebrity sleeves. Barnes (11:45):Say again. See, ladies and gentlemen, you just witnessed ... Cubby (11:47):I have short sleeves on. Barnes (11:48):You just witnessed right there. There we go. There's the edit. Leslie (11:53):Hell no. Barnes (11:53):There is your first little snafu of the show that happened in real time. Cubby (11:57):You put pressure on us though, Barnes. Leslie (11:58):We're not even having a drink right now. Cubby (12:00):We should. Barnes (12:01):Maybe. Well, we know that two of us aren't. I can't see your hands, Fram. I'm just saying. Cubby (12:06):Celebrity sleeves. Barnes (12:07):Try that again. Leslie (12:07):Let's dive ... Barnes (12:08):Take two. Leslie (12:10):Let's dive into some Celebrity Sleaze. Okay. I know that Netflix, we have a lot of stories about Netflix today. But have you guys been watching anything new on Netflix? Barnes (12:21):Absolutely. Leslie (12:21):What? Barnes (12:22):I went through the whole Outer Banks, which Heather and I both loved. I know it's geared towards young adults, but we actually liked it. Cubby (12:30):It's a reboot, right? Barnes (12:31):No. Cubby (12:32):Outer Banks? Barnes (12:32):I'm joking. Last week, everything was a reboot. Well, there's more. It's really good. Leslie (12:39):I will start today because Charles Esten, who's the star, will be on our show next week. Barnes (12:44):He is the star. He's the really main adult, and he's good. He's really good. He's from Nashville. I like the show, Nashville. Leslie (12:52):Yeah. He was Deacon in Nashville, beloved character, and I will say one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Barnes (12:58):Can't wait to talk to him. I have a lot of questions. You both ... do yourself a favor and watch Outer Banks. I'm also watching Bloodline. Leslie (13:04):Yeah, I saw Bloodline. I'll give you some news when you finish. Barnes (13:07):I'm only three episodes in. Leslie (13:09):Okay. But I have some news for you when you finish. A couple of heavy things I want to get out of the way, in Celebrity Sleaze. Obviously, you saw the news, Lori Loughlin and her husband, Fashion Designer, Mossimo, I can't pronounce his last name, were sentenced to two and five months in jail for the college admissions scandal. What happened there? Because originally wasn't he supposed to get four to five years? Barnes (13:32):I don't know. Why did he get more than she did? Leslie (13:34):I guess he paid more. Cubby (13:35):Yeah. I don't know the whole thing. But it's a country club they're going to, guys. Barnes (13:39):Oh, yeah. Cubby (13:40):I mean ... Leslie (13:40):Seriously. Barnes (13:41):In fact, he's not going to be doing hard time. Cubby (13:43):Look, I would not want to be in there. Don't get me wrong. But they're probably not going to be in there the full-term, I'm guessing. It looks like a country club. Leslie (13:49):Yeah. Their apology was very well scripted, too. Barnes (13:51):If she's smart, she would make that a reality show because that's the only work she's going to get. Leslie (13:56):Potentially. Now the other news is, are you ever a little skeptical when you see a headline from a celebrity, where it's like, "I buried my truth for so long?" You know that something's about to happen. They have a book coming out or ... Barnes (14:09):Correct. Leslie (14:09):In this case, it's Paris Hilton and her new documentary. This is Paris, which is going to be September 14, premiering on her YouTube channel. I mean, if this is true, I feel really sorry for her. But the timing is a little skeptical. She was talking about ... and this is the other part of the story where you don't feel sorry for her. Remember when she was growing up, she lived at the Waldorf with her parents. She talked about sneaking out at night and how terrible it was because her parents took her phone away and her credit cards. Then they sent her off to this boarding school and apparently she's saying, the entire time she was at this boarding school, she was bullied and harassed and tortured. Now that school doesn't exist anymore, and no one can verify this. Although a couple of people that went there said the same thing. We'll see. I don't know if you saw this story or you have any thoughts about it. Barnes (14:58):I saw the trailer and I don't know what it is. She's done something to herself. She looks much prettier than she did in the height of all this craziness, where I think she was maybe having some work done. I don't know that. Leslie (15:07):Yeah. Barnes (15:07):But she looks very natural and very depressed. Leslie (15:11):Though she says that she's all grown up now and she wants to tell her story. Cubby (15:15):I can't believe how long it's been to. Was it 15 ... Leslie (15:17):It's been a long ... Barnes (15:18):... 15 years ago when the nude pictures are coming out ... Leslie (15:20):Yes. Barnes (15:20):Long time. Cubby (15:21):... all that stuff? Twenty years ago? Leslie (15:22):This is really sad. The headlines about Larry king's two children dying within three weeks of each other. He's like, "It's terrible. When you're a parent, you have to outlive your children." But his son, Andy King died of a heart attack. He was 65. His daughter Chaia King, 51, sadly died. She had lung cancer. Is that terrible, two of his children within a matter of three weeks? Cubby (15:45):Really sad. Leslie (15:47):I do need some clarification here from the two of you. How do you pronounce this word? It's throuple, throuple? Barnes (15:54):Throuple. Leslie (15:55):Throuple, like couple? Barnes (15:58):Throuple. Leslie (15:58):But throuple like a three-some, right? Barnes (16:00):You're talking about John Mayer, right? Leslie (16:01):Yeah, the John Mayer story. Barnes (16:02):Throuple. That's the first I've seen that word in a while. Leslie (16:04):Well, apparently the star of Vanderpump Rules, Scheana Shay claims that, yeah, this went on for a really long time. Stacie the bartender from the Hills started going to John's house where a fling started and it went on for about six months. Barnes (16:20):He had just discarded Jennifer Aniston and he went that far down? Leslie (16:23):Right after Jennifer Aniston. Hello. Barnes (16:25):That must have been when he covered the song Free Fallin, too, from Petty. Because he took ... what a lofty journey that is to go from Jennifer Aniston in your bed to a bartender of the Hills. Cubby (16:36):Right? Barnes (16:38):Damn. Cubby (16:39):That's a big drop, right? Barnes (16:40):Bro. Cubby (16:40):Yeah. Leslie (16:41):Dancing with the Stars apparently having a hard time booking some guests. A lot of people are saying ever since they let go of Tom Bergeron and Erin Andrews and I brought on Tyra Banks because they thought Tyra is going to bring in all these major celebrities. Guess what? It hasn't happened yet. Barnes (16:58):Why would they think that? Since when is she the major celebrity getter? Leslie (17:01):I guess because she's high fashion, she would bring all these major models and I have no idea. But so far, it's still C and D level folks. Cubby (17:12):But that's what that shows made of. Leslie (17:13):I know. Cubby (17:13):It's been trending that ... No. But actually, I'll admit, early on, they had some pretty big names. I feel it's been trending downward for the last five, six years. I think that makes the show better. Well, if you haven't heard of them? Barnes (17:24):No. You've heard of them. But they're in random ... Okay, think of all the ... if you had ... I'm just turning like Beaver from Leave It to Beaver. Cubby (17:31):No. I get that. You haven't seen them in a while. Right. Right. Right. I do like those. They had Mrs. Brady on before she passed away, Florence Henderson. That was fun. Leslie (17:38):I mean, I've had a couple of friends that have been on that show. Honestly, they said they had a blast doing it. But a lot of times I have no idea who the people are. I have to Google who they are Cubby (17:47):Correct. Leslie (17:48):Will Smith, Kevin Hart are going to remake Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. Cubby (17:53):I don't like it. Don't mess with the original, man. Barnes (17:55):That's a tough one. Leslie (17:55):Come on. John Candy, that's tough, and Steve Martin. I don't know. By the way, Simon Cowell is back home, after he cracked his back. But did you see the photos of Dax Shepherd? He had this big motorcycle accident. He was showing all his bruises on Instagram. Oh, severe. I don't know about this. Tiger King, season two is in the works, because Joe Exotic is in jail, but he's the star of it? Cubby (18:19):I know but it's brilliant because you might as well just keep feeding off what's already successful, try to figure something out. Barnes (18:25):Well, there's been a story for the last six months. It's been happening. The story was season one. All this mayhem happening. Now they closed the zoo down. Leslie (18:33):Yeah, I think Petty got to the zoo, because Jeff Lowe announced that Tiger King Zoo is closed immediately. Cubby (18:39):When I hear about the Tiger King, I think about the pandemic only because that was the first thing people started talking about when the pandemic started. Does that sound familiar? Barnes (18:48):They can think the pandemic. Cubby (18:49):Yeah. Yeah. I remember it was March and people were talking about, "If, hey, if we're going to be stuck at home watch Tiger King." That always reminds me of the beginning of this whole thing. Leslie (18:57):Finally, who knew that Ryan Reynolds had a gin company? But apparently, Aviation Gin is being bought by this British multinational beverage alcohol company, Diageo. He might walk away with $265 million. Barnes (19:13):He was apologizing for that. He has a gin company. Remember, Fram, recently, he had that girl that got all the heat from the Peloton ad do his ad. Cubby (19:24):Right. Leslie (19:24):That's right. Cubby (19:24):That was about a year ago. Barnes (19:25):Eish. Yeah. Leslie (19:26):Who these celebrities with their liquors. I mean, it's pretty insane. They're saying it's a $600 million deal and his portion could be 275. That's a good payday for Ryan Reynolds. Barnes (19:39):That really is ... Leslie (19:39):That's your Celebrity Sleaze. Barnes (19:42):Guys, I was doing some research because a friend of mine is a big fan of Limp Bizkit, and we were going back and forth about Limp Bizkit just being, like I said, Limp Bizkit's okay. They all were, "Oh, no, they were huge. He was huge, blah, blah, blah, blah." Cubby (19:56):For a minute. Barnes (19:57):For a minute, right. I did some research on bands that have had huge success, but for the most part, people hate them. I want you to know if you agree with any of these. Limp Bizkit, ironically, was number 10 on the list, followed by Fish at number nine. But I get ... Cubby (20:16):I don't get the Fish thing. Leslie (20:17):I don't either. That was just a mellow jam band. Barnes (20:20):I mean I could see where either you like or you don't like the Fish, but they don't seem like a hated band, probably some of the ones coming on your list. Leslie (20:27):Like Fred Durst. Cubby (20:28):Right. Exactly. Train came in at number eight. Again ... Barnes (20:31):Why Train? Cubby (20:32):These are bands that have had huge success, but a majority of people really think they're douchebags. Leslie (20:37):I didn't ... Barnes (20:37):Train is number eight. Leslie (20:40):I didn't get that one. Yeah. Cubby (20:40):Creed is number seven. Barnes (20:40):Now that's a slam dunk. Leslie (20:46):Wait a minute. They're not number one? Cubby (20:46):We're getting there. Barnes (20:46):Well, I bet I can already guess where this is going. Leslie (20:48):Like seven ... Creed should be in the top five. Cubby (20:51):Well, the funny thing is, I think everybody I'm mentioning here, we've interviewed, and we might have a relationship with a Dave Matthews Band came in number six. Barnes (20:59):How? Why do people hate ... Is there any context in these articles, in these lists about why they're hated? Cubby (21:05):It all comes down to either their look, for example, Goo Goo Dolls is number five and people think they're perfectly manicured men. Their songs are sappy. Leslie (21:16):I don't get it about Dave Matthews Band. Cubby (21:18):Number four, now I love this guy, super good dude, Mark McGrath and his band Sugar Ray. Barnes (21:25):I can see why they hate him. He's such a nice guy. It's easy to hate people who are succeeding. I mean, he's had a decent career and a few things. Cubby (21:33):Yeah. Right now he's a jock on SiriusXM, I believe. He does a show there. But number three, I could care less about, Insane Clown Posse. Barnes (21:41):How that get on the list? Cubby (21:41):Yeah. Barnes (21:41):That seems a random one. Cubby (21:45):Because, yeah, I agree because the list is that they are very successful. Now, I know they had an Ok one. Leslie (21:50):Yeah. They had a cult following, too. Cubby (21:52):Finally, we're down to number two. Leslie (21:54):Uh-oh. Leslie (21:54):(singing) Leslie (21:55):Oh, yeah. It's natural. Cubby (22:00):Again ... Leslie (22:01):Guilty Pleasure. Cubby (22:02):They've had a ton of hits? Leslie (22:03):I know. Cubby (22:03):But the list is people that we're huge, but we don't like them anyway. Can we say number one together? Because we're all thinking it all. Leslie (22:10):One, two, three, and then say it. Barnes (22:13):You say it and I play it. Ready? Hosts (22:15):One, two, three. Nickelback. Barnes (22:21):Here is exhibit 3,475. It is torture, this song. Listen to this. They redid The Devil Went Down to Georgia. Listen how awful this is. I mean. What the hell is that? Barnes (22:41):(singing) Barnes (22:41):You wonder ... Cubby (22:45):They did have huge hits. This was their first hit right here. Cubby (22:49):(singing) Leslie (22:49):That was massive. Barnes (22:52):I don't mind that song. Barnes (22:53):(singing) Cubby (22:56):But all their songs did end up sounding the same, for the most part after that. Barnes (23:01):Good list. Cubby (23:01):Yeah. Barnes (23:02):I have some music for you. Here's a couple of new things this week to be on the lookout for that are going to be ... one of them is going to be taking over TikTok. Everyone's going to be started using it to make TikToks, how smart to make a song called TikTok? Barnes (23:17):(singing) Barnes (23:18):Catchy. Leslie (23:21):It is. Barnes (23:23):Clean Bandit and Mabelle with 24kGoldn. Cubby (23:26):I like Clean Bandit. Barnes (23:28):Another new one. I love this band. I love everything they put out. They are from Las Vegas. The album is called Imploding the Mirage, which I thought was interesting because immediately I was thinking about all the casinos that they've imploded in Vegas, their hometown. But I don't think the Mirage was one of them. But the Killers have a brand new album. Barnes (23:47):(singing) Barnes (23:49):I just love his voice. Cubby (23:54):Yeah. He's good. Barnes (23:54):Totally. Then here's one. We can't let ... Baha Banks$ has a new one with Chance the Rapper. We can't not play Shake That Ass. Barnes (24:05):(singing) Barnes (24:07):Everyone stays ... Check out Chance the Rapper. He's rapping about my car. Listen. Barnes (24:14):(singing) Leslie (24:14):Uh-oh. Is your Tesla plugged? Barnes (24:21):Yeah. There's you're new Music Bank. Cubby (24:24):Well, guys, you always give me a hard time for not bringing in big time guests. I had to, well, pull out the big guns and so Barnes, Leslie, let me introduce you to my buddy, my pal, the nicest guy in the world and a very smart man, Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz (24:42):Well, God bless you Cubby. Barnes (24:42):Hey Doc. Dr. Oz (24:44):How are you all? Barnes (24:44):We're huge fan. Leslie (24:45):We're so excited. Dr. Oz (24:46):I'm so impressed that Cubby looks well rested with a baby in the house. I don't know. How does that work even? I could never pull that off. Cubby (24:53):I don't know. It's amazing. It's life-changing. I think the adrenaline actually every day keeps you going and ... Barnes (25:00):Hold on. Dr. Oz, The important thing is this is pre, his Jager shots. He does it 5:00. Is that healthy? Let's ask the man. Dr. Oz (25:08):I do a Jager shot every day at 5:00 p.m. Actually, sometimes more than one. Leslie (25:12):True story, Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz (25:14):Well, I'll tell you when my kids were young, I would sign up for extra on call at the hospital, because at least I could get a little sleep there. Cubby (25:20):You're right. I know. I know. Yeah. I don't sleep much. But it's all worth it. Again, thank you for joining us. These are my podcast pals Barnes and Leslie, and we just have a few questions for you. I want to catch up and you've been a busy man, I'm sure. I mean, everyone wants to talk to you about COVID-19, correct? Dr. Oz (25:38):Right. It's been busy six months of my life. It's also been frustrating at times, and exhilarating at others, because one of the problems you run into oftentimes in life is that you have inadequate information. As a doctor, you often got to go talk to a patient when you don't know 100% what the right decision is because there's no data on it. That's how this entire six months is often felt. We have some directionally correct ideas, but we ended up changing our minds and lot of other issues like masks. That's been very frustrating for the public. But, you're right. I'm getting called a lot just to try to offer advice that I give to my own family, because at this point, that's the most valuable advice. Barnes (26:12):Dr. Oz How do you even have time in the day? This is an honest question from being a publisher of books, a man of television, an actual doctor, an actual surgeon, how do you find time to actually practice surgery and medicine? Dr. Oz (26:28):Well, I've always dedicated one day a week that I go to the hospital, participate in our grand rounds, do procedures, see patients. In fact, right now I'm studying for my boards, because every five years you have to get re-up to make sure you're staying up-to-date in health information. But I also have great partners at the hospital. Now, as you know, I'm at Columbia University in New York Presbyterian Hospital here in the city. It's easy for me to go to the studio a couple days a week, and then just, instead of turning right to go downtown and go turn left to go uptown to the hospital, and the routine has always maintained me. Dr. Oz (27:02):I got to say, early on when I was talking Oprah about where to tape the show, one of the reasons you wanted to be in New York so I could keep practicing because I felt that ideally, we'd be ... putting in television. what I do every day taking care of patients, if I could just take that same, in honesty, and just translate it to your home, then you'd actually be able to learn a lot about what your doctors wants to tell you, but doesn't have time to tell you. It makes you a smarter patient. In fact, it makes you a world expert on your own body, which you really should be. Leslie (27:31):Dr. Oz, there's been so many questions about testing for COVID-19. A lot of the people that are listening now, I am really curious about the false negatives that are happening. You broke it down. I follow you on Instagram and Twitter, you broke it down. How is that happening? If you do get a negative test, but still have the symptoms, should you go back and be retested? It's so confusing. Dr. Oz (27:53):Well, let me simplify a little bit by entering the second part of that question with affirmative. Yes, you have to go get tested again if you have symptoms. If you're coughing, and having a fever, or feeling lethargy, or having intestinal problems, and you have a negative test, you still have to suspect COVID-19, go get tested again. Here's why. Until recently, a lot of the tests required you to put the little probe that the Q-Tip with the very back of your nose. The cotton swab is uncomfortable. I don't know if you guys have been tested, but I get tested at the hospital, your eyes water. It's not very pleasant. To take it easy on you, instead of leaving that cotton swab back there for 10 seconds, which is the official protocol, they just get near it. Well, that's not the same thing. Dr. Oz (28:35):If I'm swabbing the outside of your nose versus deep inside your nose where it feels it's in your brain. You may not pick up the virus which is primarily to back your throat. That's why this recent information, which I want to thank the NBA and their Commissioner Adam Silver for, because they participated in examining this. The CDC has just approved a saliva tests. The reason that's important is you don't just spit a little bit of stuff, you actually collect sputum from the back of your throat deep in your lungs, and go, like that, right? Spit it into this cup. That's actually a very accurate way of getting it. It's not perfect. But getting a sample of sputum that's pretty stable can be tested the next day or the day after. You'll learn very quickly if you're positive or negative. Because you know that it's not uncomfortable, you don't mind doing it a lot. Barnes (29:21):Amen. Dr. Oz (29:21):Most people now agreed, the better way of screening America is to do lots of tests and assume the first one may not be perfect, but if you do two tests, one of them is going to be right. Cubby (29:31):What is your biggest concern Dr. Oz, fall going into winter? What is your biggest concern with this? Are we in the first wave still, or the second wave, and no one really knows Barnes (29:40):Is it halftime? Cubby (29:41):Right. Dr. Oz (29:43):it's about halftime, actually. But we're still in the first wave. You're still in the first half. We saw ... What happened in New York spread to the south. Actually, many times it was New Yorkers literally going to the south and carrying the virus with them, maybe not the Arizona, and that allowed the virus to continue to prosper when it shouldn't have. My biggest concern, to answer your first question, is nihilism, is this belief we're never going to get ahead of this, it's going to keep haunting us, it's going b torturing us. There's so many positive bits of information that it makes me feel pretty confident that we're going to be able to whip this in a timely fashion. Dr. Oz (30:13):Here they are. Ready? First off, the recent data from Europe, about a third of us may have what are called killer T-cells. Our immune system is made up of antibodies. You all know about those. They're little foot soldiers ready to attack the virus. But you also have these memory cells, these T-cells in your body. If you had the common cold last year, the year before, your body may have recalled that a corona virus causes the common cold, oftentimes, and it's close enough to the current COVID-19 virus that you're actually protected. That means, think about this, a third of the population may not be prone to getting the bad infection or infected at all. Then you have in places like New York City, where I am, you got a 20% incidents, maybe people have already been infected, that gets you about 50% of the population. Now you're approaching herd immunity numbers. It means the second wave won't be as bad as we would otherwise have feared. Dr. Oz (30:59):Second big Information, 70% of Americans ... are you wearing a mask? A mask is a big ... although early on, didn't appreciate how powerful it was. We now recognize. I spoke into the COVID taskforce, the White House Task Force on this. All these experts are saying the same thing, the mask tames this virus. It makes it behave like the flu instead of COVID-19. That's why we're seeing a dramatic reduction in cases in the south now and across the country. Dr. Oz (31:24):All these are positives. We have weapons we can use, like the mask, we've got general biology supporting us, and then there's few other factors. Our medical management has dramatically improved. Only half the number of people go to the ICU is used to in the early days of COVID-19, and then finally the vaccine. Which all the early data supporting its efficacy, so we think it's going to work. We'll have a lot of data probably by November, December giving people confidence that we can actually mass vaccinate people, if they want to get vaccinated, no one's going to force you. But if you want to get vaccinated and be part of the herd immunity to protect America, you can get your vaccine. We're going to have to wait till January, February probably to do that because you want you give enough months of tens of thousands of people experiencing the vaccine to make sure it's safe that the average American, the average person listening to your show right now can say, "You know what? I get it. It works and it seems to be safe enough. Nothing is perfect. But it's safe enough. I'm going to go ahead and get it." Barnes (32:14):What do you think, Dr. Oz, though the conversation centering around this vaccine that at some point will be here, you're going to find companies and places just like they're requiring mask? Don't you think were they're going to say, "Look, if you're going to come back to work, you have to have the vaccine." But then that opens up the conversation politically. It opens up the safety conversation, all of this starts going sideways. How do you think everyone's going to react to that and work through it? Dr. Oz (32:40):I think forcing people to get a vaccine will be a horrible error. Barnes (32:44):People are going to. Dr. Oz (32:46):There may be some, but as to your point you made, energetically, it changes the entire equation. The argument needs to be here's the five reasons that you don't want to get the vaccine, and here are the five reasons that those arguments are wrong, just deal with it head on. Face-to-face, because you talk through it, and some people will never change their mind. But most people I have found will, as long as you actually confront the arguments that are being made without ... behind the scenes, often on social media that scares people and convinces people it's unwise. Dr. Oz (33:20):By the way, we got to get the data. I'm not just going to pretend that I know it's safe. We don't know that yet. Let's see what the data shows over different age groups, different genders, different races, African-Americans are very resistant to vaccines and these therapies because there's a history of African-Americans being used in experiments, and they weren't consented into. There's hesitation. Let's just deal with those issues. Get it out there. Then people who want to get vaccinated, they can. Dr. Oz (33:43):But let me go through the numbers here. You need about 60% to 70% of people protected one way or the other in order to have herd immunity. You don't have to have 100% of people get vaccinated. It will be nice if the vaccine is safe and effective for that to happen. But the 100% is a hard number. But if most people get vaccinated, or they've been exposed and did ... say, recovered or they have past years exposure to the common cold, and protected from that, then we'll cobble together a coalition of people who won't get the virus. That's how we'll create barriers. Dr. Oz (34:13):I would emphasize for people who are vulnerable, older people, people chronic conditions like obesity, diabetes, hypertension, people in nursing homes, they really ought to get the vaccine. If it works for them, we have to prove it. It could be a game-changer because those people aren't getting sick. Remember 95% of the people went to the hospital were those category of people, then the rest of us don't have that big a deal with the virus. Young people don't seem to have a big problem. I'm not going to bang my head into the wall vaccinating every five-year-old in America. Leslie (34:41):What about with flu season coming up? Because there's some people who never take a flu shot, but now coupled with COVID-19, what's your recommendation on that, because it's worrying a lot of people? Dr. Oz (34:52):Well, the flu shots have been around for a long time. I've gotten 20 years worth of flu shots. I don't think the danger is a massive issue. There are some people still they're going to be hesitant, I get that. But for the average American, that's low-lying fruit. I think getting the flu vaccine means that if you get a fever lethargy, in the middle of December, you won't be fearful it's actually COVID-19. You won't be going through all the extra testing. You won't be worried about side-effects, or lying on your back for two or three weeks. I think this might be the good year to get your flu vaccine. A lot of facilities are going to start offering it early, so that you can get ... first in line and get protected. Cubby (35:26):See, my fear is going back to later this year is a bad collision between COVID-19 spiking and a bad flu season, because that could ultimately fill hospitals up. Is that a concern? Dr. Oz (35:39):Very much of a concern. For the flu is not a benign process. We probably have 30, 40,000 people a year die. Last year the more children died of the flu than died of COVID-19. It's not a benign process. You're marching the war with the army you've got. We have a vaccine for the flu, take it. Removed that is one of the problems that might land you on your back for a week. Again, I do it anyway because I'm in the hospital. I don't want to give patients who are already sick the flu. But think about that for your own families. If you can protect yourself, you guys are all good. Once this eases up a little bit more, you guys are exposed to a lot of people. You're in media. Why take a chance? I mean you can continue to enjoy your job, keep entertain your fan base, and keep your family safe all at the same time by getting, at least, I, helping that process, by getting a flu shot I will take it. Barnes (36:30):What's weird now, and my wife is guilty of this, every time anything hurts, I've got coronavirus. I need to go get ... You know what I mean? There are other things that make you ... Dr. Oz (36:40):That happened to me last week. It was three days in a row I was more tired than usual, all day long. I thought, "Oh my god, I got to bed." Barnes (36:45):It's in your head? Dr. Oz (36:46):Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Barnes (36:46):Everyone thinks, "Oh, I've got coronavirus." I mean, it just keeps happening. You can get sick from other things. I mean, come on. Dr. Oz (36:54):It messes with your head. I think this is a bigger theme in America. A lot of people are scared and you don't want to go through life in fear. It's not a good way to make decisions. This is not just about COVID-19. In life in general, you don't want to make decisions with a pure emotional driver of fear, because we're better than that. We're strong enough to do it differently. Yeah. You're fatigued for three days could be COVID-19. But it's probably not. Cubby (37:17):Right. Barnes (37:18):What's the biggest question you get besides COVID-19, obviously, from when you're ... because you're such a people person? When people engage with you, what do they ask you? Cubby (37:26):Actually, can I chime in on that, Barnes? Barnes (37:28):Yeah. Cubby (37:28):Because before COVID-19, I would ask Oz about hemorrhoids and stuff. I got hemorrhoid, what do I do? Things have totally changed in the last six months. Dr. Oz (37:36):Well, the number one question I still get is, "What does Cubby really like?" Cubby (37:40):Shut up. Leslie (37:41):I ask that often. Barnes (37:42):It's hemorrhoids and you're Meister Dr. Oz (37:45):Exactly. Barnes (37:45):It's easy. Dr. Oz (37:46):It's all right here. Cubby (37:46):But that isn't the question, Barnes. What question do you get the most probably outside of COVID? Dr. Oz (37:50):What can I do to live my best life, to be able to thrive in a world where I don't seem to have any control? I always people, "Listen, part of the reason I went into health is because the only person who can control your health is you." Interestingly, it applies to COVID-19. But everything is, well, one of the best ways to avoid complications of COVID-19 is to lose weight, which, Cubby, I'm done beautifully. You'd have lots of people who don't appreciate how much resilience they truly have. They also don't appreciate the importance of us to each other. Because what's been the safety net for humanity is each other, is us. Dr. Oz (38:27):We're designed to be intimate social creatures. Our brain got the size they are, not to go hunting. You'd go hunting with a walnut-sized brain. We have a large prefrontal cortex. We can look at each other and assess visual cues. But even equally importantly, auditory cues are hugely important. The subtle timbre of your voice, how you said things, rather than what you said, that's why music is so important to us. What you do is so critical, because people are hearing you and processing all kinds of subtle elements that you may not even know you're conveying, but it's truthfully there. I tell people remember, you're like a raindrop falling into the ocean of humanity. Never forget that you have huge power if we do it in numbers. Leslie (39:05):I love the health tips that you give. One thing I did want to ask you, because Barnes and Cubby gave me a hard time about this a couple of weeks ago. I bought this thing on Amazon. It's a WeFit, and it's this gallon water jug. It has little inspirational sayings every two hours starting at 7:00 a.m. to force me to drink water because I would never drink water during the day. Now I'm drinking a gallon a day. What is your recommendation on drinking water? Is that too much, a gallon a day that I'm drinking? Dr. Oz (39:35):But my daughter has what you have. I was giving her a hard time about it because I said, "The amount of water you drink really does depend on how much you sweat and how much you exercise." The general rule of thumb is you should be able to read through your urine. You should be hydrated well enough that when you pee, it's relatively clear. If you ... Don't actually do this, by the way, Cubby, so literal. Cubby (39:57):I was trying. You got a book? I had Judy Blume's Superfudge ready to go. Dr. Oz (40:02):Yes. Exactly. I get Mad Magazine. Reading through Mad Magazine through your urine, right, like getting a wet, that's the kind of ... but that's actually the best test now. There's no harm with doing a gallon a day. But you don't have to have a gallon a day and it might be the three-quarters of nowadays fine for you. If you look down your urine is dark color, Coca-Cola colored or darker than that golden yellow, then you're not hydrated well enough. Barnes (40:24):I have that same jug but I filled it with Diet Coke. Is a gallon a Diet Coke too much a day, Dr. Oz? Dr. Oz (40:30):So bad. I have strong feelings about diet sodas. There's no free lunch. I guess, here's the problem with diet sodas. The artificial sweeteners in there are several hundred times sweeter than sugar. They've never been shown to help you diet. Quite the opposite. They are linked to chronic metabolic illnesses, not probably because of the drink itself, but because people who are drinking it are prone to those problems. But your brain is so smart, that it's looking for nutrients. Cubby (40:54):He's drinking a Diet Coke as you're talking about. Leslie (40:56):I know. I just saw that. Dr. Oz (40:58):I saw. I could see it. I mean, I know you're describing it for the listener. But it's embarrassing. Yeah. Get a screenshot of that. Barnes (41:03):Okay. Well, is iced tea the same? Dr. Oz (41:06):No. Real drinks with a real sugar, I feel are better than diets drink. If you have iced tea with it ... But think about this, how much sugar do you need to put in a drink? If normally the soft drinks have a teaspoon per cc, per ounce, there's a lot of sugar. If you just put a one full teaspoon of sugar into a tea, it will taste sweet enough, and that's 16 calories. It's not 130 or 160 calories. It's 13 calories or 15 calories is not much. Barnes (41:39):I need to stop. Dr. Oz (41:39):Yeah. [crosstalk 00:41:40] easier way to go. Cubby (41:41):I had an issue like Barnes. I had Diet Coke all the time, four or five a day. I switched to seltzer. I still get that fizz feeling and a little bit of flavor. But it's healthy. It's zero, zero, zero all across the board here. Barnes (41:53):I need to stop. I need to stop. Dr. Oz (41:55):Yeah. They have these flavored fizzy drinks now which I like, too. I think you're right Cubby. That's the way to do it. You tickle your tongue, which is a lot of the soft drink beverage experience is about. You don't need all those artificial tastes in there. Then, if you want sugar, add sugar. Barnes (42:08):Yeah. I can see I got confronted by Dr. Oz. I've got to put down ... why'd you stop drinking Dr. Coke ... Dr. Coke ... Diet Coke, because Dr. Ross said so. Dr. Oz, when all this hysteria, and I mean your career started when Oprah put you to the forefront, did you ever think ... I mean, were you targeting that, or did you just end up in it? When you started your media career, and in your enterprise, and then you met Oprah? I don't know how you met Oprah. But then she really started cheerleading you. You were a guest, what, 500 times or something on her show? Did you think it would ever be this type of thing? Dr. Oz (42:47):Not only did I not think it was possible. It wasn't on my vision board. I hazard to say that if I had desired that career media, it would not have worked with Oprah. I'll tell you very briefly how this all came down. It was my wife's, by the way, like many relationships. I will just put my shoulder to the millstone, where we're working in the salt mine of New York, Presbyterian Columbia. I go to work every morning, operating all day, and come home exhausted. My wife was after a while sick and tired of my whining about the fact that so many of my patients could have avoided the need for me to heal them with steel, literally taking a bandsaw to their chest to open up to do heart surgery. If only they had understood a few basic tips about general health, losing weight, dealing with their diabetes, managing their blood pressure, all these things we talked about the show all the time. Dr. Oz (43:35):In the course of that, she said, "Why don't we make sure together," because my wife is ... remember those Visine commercials, the bloodshot eyes? Leslie (43:40):Yeah. Dr. Oz (43:41):Those are my wife's eyes. She understood the power of media. She understood the remarkable ability of you guys to change people's minds. She said, "Let's going to make the show." I made I made a show for Discovery Channel. It was a series actually of 13 episodes called Second Opinion. My wife produced them. My first guest, Oprah Winfrey. She came on because Gayle King was just a wonderful human being said, "Oprah, what this guy's trying to do is important. Give him a time of day. You're going to be in New York, and whatever day it was, just let him have half an hour, 20 minutes even." She's already in hair and makeup to get her own magazine cover taken. We ended up talking for hours. We really hit it off. She's a great teacher, a great educator, not just for America, but for me. We call Oprah University. Dr. Oz (44:25):Those of us who are privileged to work on her show with her that she's shared stuff with you. For example, as a doctor, I figured if I gave you the facts, you're going to change, obviously. I'm telling you to stop smoking, you can have heart attack, you will stop smoking. Wrong. It doesn't work in personal life, doesn't work in medicine, or anywhere else. Dr. Oz (44:42):Oprah said, and she's right, "People do not change based on what they know. They change based on how they feel," Get people to feel differently about stopping cigarettes or whatever the problem is, wearing a mask for COVID. They feel differently about it, then they'll do it. That was the beginning of my years working with her. Then she launched me on my career because Parker Lee [inaudible 00:45:03] conspired, and said, "Listen, you have the ability to make a show, I'll support you. But you got to go out there and tell everyone as honestly as you can stuff that they're not hearing from the healthcare system now. America is not taking care of themselves, because we haven't given them the advice in a way that empowers them." That was the birth of the show. Dr. Oz (45:20):I think, although, maybe not ... looking back at it years later, you guys know but I got a Hollywood star this month. I mean, that happens and it's like a dream. I'm pinching myself, because it was never ... no heart surgeon wants to get a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. celebrate. I can Cubby (45:34):Where's it located? Dr. Oz (45:36):It's in Hollywood. I don't know where it is yet. We haven't ... COVID-19 I can't celebrate. Barnes (45:40):[crosstalk 00:45:40] even a see star. Dr. Oz (45:40):I wanted to know the exact treat, so I can get a picture. Cubby (45:44):But nobody's want to do that. Dr. Oz (45:45):You're coming. Leslie (45:46):Dr. Oz. I didn't realize this until this morning that you are on TikTok. Has Dr. Oz is on TikTok, when did that start? Dr. Oz (45:56):Well, my show was in China and my show is in 100 countries. China, the parent company of TikTok is called Daojin. I've got hundreds of thousands of followers on that portal. The trend to across over the TickTok was pretty straightforward. TikTok is wonderful if you want to get the message out without a lot of ads to a younger generation, and they actually care a lot about health. Dr. Oz (46:19):People care about health four times in their life, when they go through puberty, that's why the TikTok generation cares about it, when they go through menopause, that's why the show works because every woman from 35 to 60 thinks she's in menopause, and many times they are, when you're going through a health crisis, and when you're pregnant. Those are the four times you care. Pretty much throughout your life, there are opportunities for people to come into the health arena and then go back out again. Twenty-five-year-old men don't care about health unless it's related to sports. You've got to find your way to talk to them about health. Dr. Oz (46:47):But there's a huge audience that are experiencing health issues in their lives. It's not bad, critical illnesses, things ... puberty is not an illness. But crazy things are happening to your body. You want to understand them. I think a TikTok on how to take care of a pimple, and by don't pop them. Now, there's a whole strategy for doing this, then you'll watch. Cubby (47:07):Now listen, Dr. Oz, I want to ask you a quick a quick question. You made me feel a lot better. My daughter was born on January 27th. You're one of the first people to text me. I said, "Everything is great. My daughter is healthy, but she was born with a cleft palate." You wrote back, "Easy fix," and that made me feel a lot better. The surgery is planned in a couple of months. For those who don't know, a cleft palate, you can't see it visually, unless you look inside the mouth on the roof of her mouth. You can see her nasal passages if you look in the roof of her mouth. But it's not a cleft lip or anything. It's in the inside. My question is, I've read about it, I still don't understand how they repair a cleft palate. Is it skin graft? Do you even know that answer? I know you know everything. Dr. Oz (47:52):Yeah. It depends on how wide it is. There's sometimes you do use skin grafts. But oftentimes you can mobilize the tissue well enough just to close it. Remember, the only reason that you have to fix a cleft palate is so that it helps with phonation, to be able to pronounce the letters of the alphabet more effectively. She'll speak without an impairment. People have cleft lips, which is more severe version of this condition, there's a significant cosmetic element that you need to fix as well, and that's a bit more dicey. Dr. Oz (48:23):But what your daughter is going to go through is not nearly as challenging. I also want to emphasize that you don't do it too early because you don't do anything to a young baby. You just want to do it before they start making words, so she'll never know the difference. Cubby (48:35):Yeah. The problem is she can't ... the bottle she can't suck because she doesn't have that suction ability with no roof of her mouth. We have to help her with bottles and stuff like that. But it's comforting to know that it's an easy fix, because it's scary, really ... Barnes (48:48):That is scary. Dr. Oz (48:49):Every child is born with little things you don't know about, and you just discover them, and it's ... everyone gets worried about it because moms feel the child is the fifth limb. They're especially. Then nothing happens to that child without you viscerally feeling it. Thankfully, I think oftentimes the most dangerous thing for the child is the anxiety of the parents, not the actual problem the child is facing. That's the one thing we really dealt well with in medicine is being to manage these kinds of common problems. Barnes (49:15):Dr. Oz, I'm a huge fan of yours, as I mentioned at the beginning, and with fame comes tough territory sometimes. I mean, I know that you are a big entity now. But when you get these other doctors and other people trashing you just because you've had fame as a doctor beyond just the operating room and on television and books, is that tough to deal with? I mean, these guys ... everyone's got a tear everyone down who has success. I think you give great information. I'm not a doctor. I don't know what you're saying is completely accurate because I don't know. I trust you and you're a trusting guy. Dr. Oz (49:53):It comes with the territory. Listen, I divide people in two categories. There are folks that are attacking you because they're embittered about something that has nothing to do with me. I hear it, of course, it hurts. But I don't think at the heart. Then there are people who say things sometimes quite harsh, where they got a point. You got to differentiate those two. To blindly think that I got everything figured out and everyone's criticizing me is jealous is a big error. Respecting the one, the opinions, and differentiating the opinions that are said for positive benefit to me is an important point. We spent a lot of time in the show doing just that, identifying which are the messages that are being sent to us that we got to really respond to, because this person making a great argument about why shouldn't be saying X, Y, Z. Those the ones I listen to. Dr. Oz (50:39):Listen, if you're in the public eye, you better be responsive to the public. Because if you're ignoring what people are observing about you, sometimes it's not even that I'm saying the wrong things. I'm saying it in the wrong way. If I'm misspeaking about something, I need to address that because people get the wrong impression of what the truth is, and it's still my fault for not making it clear enough. Barnes (50:58):It just seems like other doctors Just dissect and look for one little thing that you say that they can grandstand on just in the end trying to get their own publicity. It's just a weird thing. Dr. Oz (51:08):You know what? I tell you, if they weren't paid attention that will be worse. I'd much rather argue about whether the vaccine is safe or not, than never have a discussion. In America, what liberal democratic society is built on is our ability to tell the truth to each other. They not always get along but still be okay about that. That's what the American tribe is about. We built this nation on our ability to speak sometimes with harshness towards each other. Dr. Oz (51:35):Listen, in the hospital, every Thursday my hospital, we have what's called M&M conference. I do it after every show as well. It's morbidity and mortality conference. M&M. We're supposed to go in there and explain why our patient died. Now, if it's not my fault, does the patient's family care? Not really. Does the next patient's family care? Not really. They want to know what you do differently, so doesn't happen again. The questions that are asked are not kind, soft, cuddly questions. But then I ask in the questions to hurt me, they're asking the questions to debate what was the right thing to do, because you won't figure out how to improve what you're doing otherwise. This is the most sensitive thing about making my show. Dr. Oz (52:13):When I go back up to the control room afterwards, and we have everyone around me, and we're saying, "Okay, what could we have done better?" Sometimes I should be more complimentary because I've got a team I'm so proud of that really protects me and does a great job making entertaining television that's educational. But there's almost always something we could have done better. It's sometimes it's me. I didn't ask the question the right way. You didn't write the question the right way. We logged meeting at the camera angle, the demonstration didn't explode with enough exuberance, whatever it could be. We talked about that. Usually there's something we could have done better. Remember it next time around we improve. Leslie (52:47):Dr. Oz, you do have a lot going on. But at the end of the day, what do you do to unwind? I mean, are you binging on a Netflix show? What does Dr. Oz do to really unwind and take a deep breath at the end of the day? Dr. Oz (53:02):Well, it actually starts the beginning of the day. My morning is very regimented. I get up and I work out and actually relax when I work out, because I watch something that I like to ... I'm watching the Last Kingdom right now, is an example. But whatever you happen to ... I look forward to getting up and working out in the morning. Then about an hour after I've started working out, whatever ... I have a whole different bunch of things I do, but I finished working out and I just feel like my whole day is wide open in front of me. I also know and I see bright light in the morning, I'm really dependent on light. I know that about 16 hours later, I'm going to get really tired, which is good time. Good thing because it's nighttime time to go to bed. I work aggressively asleep to make sure that I don't ever sacrifice it. Dr. Oz (53:41):But the most relaxing thing that I do is to have a meal with the family. The kids know they can play on technology, especially during COVID-19, they're my tech support. They run the prompter, hair and makeup, and my wife picks up my wardrobe, everyone has a job. They all have been chipping in. But to be able to speak to them about stuff that matters and witness how they process it and develop their own iterations of it, that's been the biggest blessing of all. I think most parents would probably agree that that's a positive part of this experience. Cubby (54:11):One last medical question and I speak for millions of Americans, you've already solved COVID, herpes, or whatever it is yet. What was it? Leslie (54:20):Hemorrhoids. Cubby (54:21):Hemorrhoids. Yeah. It was hemorrhoids. I was wiping my butt and I saw a blood and I got nervous. Leslie (54:23):No. Way too much. Barnes (54:24):Yeah. Too much. Cubby (54:25):No. But it's true. He said it's just a hemorrhoid, ended up being just a hemorrhoid ... Leslie (54:28):Okay. Cubby (54:28):... on ledge. Barnes (54:30):He sent you photos. Cubby (54:31):Stop. Okay. My question is, and I've tried everything for nine months, plantar fasciitis, I've done AmnioFix, I've done the ice, the rolling on the ice bottle, everything, can't fix it. What do I do? Dr. Oz (54:47):Actually, I'll give you a low tech and high tech solution. On the low tech side, I think a lot of people don't realize that by the time you've stepped on your foot the first time you've already torn the plantar fascia. You have to have a very aggressive stretch in your bed before you pressurize, because otherwise you pull the tendon off that little bone, the back of the foot where the tear actually is. If that doesn't work ... That takes weeks for this to be effective. But if that doesn't work, then I strongly encourage you to try PRP. It has been beneficial for some. Sometimes doesn't work the first time. But ... Barnes (55:22):Is that the bloodshake? Dr. Oz (55:22):Yes. Barnes (55:24):They're reinjected. That's what my guy was just saying we should do. Dr. Oz (55:26):Yeah. That's what you should do. Leslie (55:28):Barnes, your own personal advice from Dr. Oz. That's impressive. Barnes (55:31):I know. Cubby (55:31):That will be $500. Barnes (55:34):Do you think AmnioFix is a good thing? A lot of people have asked me about that since I did it. Dr. Oz (55:38):I don't know. Barnes (55:38):Okay. Dr. Oz (55:39):I don't know enough about it. A lot a lot of these therapies have not been well enough tested for anyone to opine on them. But this social miserable problem as you're experiencing that it's worth trying different things. Unfortunately, I doubt one solution works for everybody. But if you try enough solution as well, will work for you. Barnes (55:54):All right. Dr. Oz, it's been a pleasure. I know you don't do podcasts normally and your connection with Cubby made it happen. Thank you very much. It was fantastic to have you. Cubby (56:02):Thank you for doing this. Dr. Oz (56:02):By the way, the reason I don't do podcasts is I have so many friends who have great ones. I just don't have enough time in the day. I broke the rule for Cubby. Now I'm probably going to get an avalanche by hate mail for my friends. My other friends. Cubby (56:13):No. I really, really appreciate it. It means so much. I want to thank your team and you. This helps a lot. I mean ... Leslie (56:18):This was incredible. Cubby (56:19):It's amazing. I love you brother. Leslie (56:21):Thank you so much. Cubby (56:22):You're a quality guy, you have great team. Congratulations on all your success. Take care. Barnes (56:26):Thanks Doc. Leslie (56:26):Thank you. Speaker 1 (56:27):This is Cubby's pop culture throwback. A rewind into the vault of music, movies, and moments. Cubby (56:38):All right, guys, where were you around this time in 2005? The week of August 24th, 2005. Do you remember? Barnes (56:47):Yeah, Atlanta. Leslie (56:47):ATL. Cubby (56:49):ATL. You were listening to the songs, number one song on the Pop Chart this week in 2005 was Mariah Carey, We Belong Together. Cubby (56:59):(singing) Speaker 1 (57:04):I believe it was number one for 15 weeks. It was crazy. Speaker 1 (57:10):(singing) Barnes (57:11):Leslie, are you a Toby Keith fan? Leslie (57:12):Yes, I like Toby. Cubby (57:14):Number one song in the country this week in 2005 was As Good As I Once Was. Cubby (57:28):(singing) Speaker 1 (57:28):By the way, his net worth is over 500 million. Barnes (57:31):What? Really? Leslie (57:32):He has lot of investments, a lot of investments. Smart guy. Barnes (57:36):Is he still active? Leslie (57:37):Yeah. He lives in Oklahoma. Cubby (57:38):Wow. All right. The number song on the Modern Rock Charts this week in 2005 ... I want to talk about the ... what we call in the business, the hook of the song. Because I remember when I was working at Z100, we would put this song in research and we never knew what the hook was. Because there were several different parts of the song that people liked. It was Feel Good Inc by the Gorillaz. Cubby (57:56):(singing) Cubby (58:01):Now, this is the part I've seen the most. But there's so many other parts of the song. Barnes (58:07):I think it's coming up right here. Cubby (58:09):Where the beat comes in? Barnes (58:10):No way, not here. Barnes (58:17):(singing) Barnes (58:17):Keep going. Barnes (58:18):(singing) Barnes (58:18):Right here. Right here. Barnes (58:24):(singing) Cubby (58:24):You think that's the most right there? Barnes (58:32):Yeah. Cubby (58:32):See, he switched it man many times, even the beginning, like dern, dern, dern, dern, dern. Leslie (58:37):That was a familiar part, too. I love Damon Albarn so much. Barnes (58:40):Did Gorillaz just put something new out in the last six months? Leslie (58:43):I think so. Barnes (58:45):I think they did. Cubby (58:47):What were we listening to on the R&B charts? Well, it was the same song that was number one on the pop charts. Cubby (58:54):(singing) Leslie (58:54):That's so funny. Cubby (58:58):We Belong Together is number one on those charts. Leslie (59:00):Crossing Over. Cubby (59:00):Yeah. The number one movie this week in 2005 was ... well, I'll play you the probably the most famous clip from this movie. There's several different quotes that people love. But here's one of my faves. Andy (59:10):No! Kelly Clarkson! Cubby (59:13):40-Year-Old Virgin. Barnes (59:15):That's been that long? Cubby (59:16):Yeah, 15 years ago this week, number one at the box office. Leslie (59:18):Wow. Cubby (59:19):Finally, do you know this TV theme, because people were watching it this week in 2005? Check this out. This is the theme two, Desperate Housewives. Leslie (59:37):Yes. Yes. Cubby (59:38):I never watched it. You Barnes? Barnes (59:40):Never did. But, man, that thing got huge. Cubby (59:43):It was massive this week in 2005. Barnes (59:46):All right. Please rate, review, and subscribe. Thank you to Dr. Oz and we look forward to Charles Esten. He plays Ward Cameron on Outer Banks from Netflix. It's one of their biggest shows of the year. Can't wait to have him on next week. Have a great week.  
Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.Watch the Droplabs Shoe experience segment here.Speaker 1 (00:00):Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie and Cubby. Barnes (00:04):This is the severely damaged Pop Culture Show. Barnes, Leslie, Cubby on location in Framnash Vegas. Cubby (00:14):Love that, I'm a little jealous though because I am not there, I am in Bryant Cubby Jersey, New Jersey. Barnes (00:22):And we're all having cocktails, so who knows what's going to happen in this show. Cubby (00:26):Yes. Barnes (00:26):And Cubby's how many Jägers in? Cubby (00:28):Five, six maybe? A couple Jäger shots. Leslie (00:29):Are you serious? Cubby (00:30):Yeah, come on man. Barnes (00:31):Are you really? Leslie (00:32):So Cubby, just to say, I haven't seen Barnes in person since the reunion show. Barnes (00:37):The 99X Reunion about a year and three quarters ago? Leslie (00:41):Yeah, so here we are. Barnes (00:41):We are, cheers, cheers. Cubby (00:42):It feels like 1995 all over again, doesn't it? Barnes (00:45):Totally. And Leslie drinking, I mean we should probably put about 15 disclaimers on this show right now because I don't know what's going to happen. So, please rate and review and subscribe our little show. Our guest today, now all of a sudden we're Grammy winners every week. Kristian Bush from the band Sugarland among others, he's got about 57 different bands and one of them is Billy Pilgrim and they have a brand new release coming out, but it's not really that new. It's an interesting story, you're going to love it, so he's coming up. Leslie (01:17):Such a good guy. Cubby (01:18):We've got Bush, I hear his last name I think of Revenge of the Nerds, you know that one. Barnes (01:23):What are the odds that we have a guest two weeks in a row that have both won Grammys and both have songs called Stay. Leslie (01:30):Oh, that's true. Cubby (01:31):Wow, look at that, that's digging deep. And you know what, I got to tell you, we're really raising the bar each week, it's crazy. Barnes (01:36):We are. Cubby (01:37):Yeah. Barnes (01:37):And you know what, let's raise it again. Next week, someone who does not do podcasts, Dr. Oz. Cubby (01:43):All your COVID questions. Leslie (01:44):That's huge. Barnes (01:46):That is going to be awesome. Leslie (01:48):That is huge that he's on our show. Cubby (01:49):He's a good dude and I've had the honor of interviewing him several times and he is the best and I can't wait for him to join us next week. Barnes (01:56):As Cubby says, we're the little show that could. Cubby (01:59):We are, we really are. Barnes (02:00):We're just a little show that could. Cubby (02:01):We're three people doing the work of ten for the good of millions. Barnes (02:04):Yeah, we have a staff of 70 that backs us up. No, we have a staff of nothing. Cubby (02:10):You didn't tell people where we could be heard, you always mention that. Barnes (02:13):I was getting to that. Cubby (02:14):Okay, go ahead. Barnes (02:15):I was getting to that. Cubby, we can be heard on iHeartRadio's app and I've been hearing commercials for the Pop Culture Show which is cool on there. Cubby (02:21):Yup. Barnes (02:22):And also in Teslas and by the way if you're buying a Tesla, use my code, you'll get a thousand free miles. Cubby (02:28):No way, what is your code? Barnes (02:29):Yeah. Leslie (02:29):What? How does this happen? Barnes (02:30):Well, just hit me up on social ... it's just when anyone who has a Tesla, if you use their referral, they'll give you a thousand Supercharger miles and then you get a thousand and those come in handy. I use them to get here. Leslie (02:42):The Tesla's outside my front door. Barnes (02:44):You know who bought one? Mark Wohlers, Atlanta Braves All Star just bought a Tesla. He called me yesterday when he was ordering it, "Hey dude, what's your code?" And then I got a thousand miles. Cubby (02:55):I want one so bad, I'm already sold, I'm sold. Barnes (02:58):And where else are we besides Turks and Caicos, anywhere else? Cubby (03:03):Honduras? No, Japan. Leslie (03:05):Guatemala. Cubby (03:06):Guatemala, worldwide. Barnes (03:08):Worldwide. Cubby (03:09):Yeah, worldwide, come on. Barnes (03:10):We were charting in Japan, but then I don't know what happened. We went from 38 to like 150. Cubby (03:16):Why did we spike and then go down and then spike? Barnes (03:18):I don't know. Leslie (03:18):How we're doing in Canada? Barnes (03:19):Canada? We're in the 200s. They don't get us, like most people. Cubby (03:24):Right. Barnes (03:24):They're right in there. So Kristian Bush is coming up, Dr. Oz next week and we want to get into our How Was Your Week segment and I've got something. I want to go last because it's going to involve trying something. Leslie's going to try something of mine and we're going to all witness it live. Leslie (03:45):Cubby, I have no idea what I'm getting myself into. Cubby (03:47):Yeah. Barnes (03:47):You do because you see it and you've been asking a lot of questions and I'm not giving her any information, so we'll get to that in a few minutes. Cubby (03:53):And I mentioned how I wanted to be there, now I'm glad I'm not there. First I had FOMO about you guys being together in Nashville. Barnes (03:59):Why? Cubby (03:59):Well, I don't know what's going to happen or what Leslie's about to try on. Barnes (04:01):Oh, it's good, it's going to be fun. Cubby (04:04):All right. Barnes (04:04):I hope she reacts. I don't know what her verbal reaction will be, but. Leslie (04:10):Who knows after a glass of wine. Barnes (04:12):I can't wait to see it. Leslie (04:13):It'll be severe. Barnes (04:13):How was your week Fram? Leslie (04:15):So I had a little bit of a space out moment and I think it's because- Barnes (04:19):This is every week, Fram. Leslie (04:20):I have a feeling it's from too many Zoom calls. Cubby, I'm on Zoom calls all day as you know. Cubby (04:25):I know. Leslie (04:26):From 8, 9 AM until 6 or 7 at night, so. Barnes (04:28):She's a multimedia executive. Leslie (04:30):So the other day I had a one hour break and my husband was like, "Can you go with me, I've got to pick up," He has an old farm truck that was getting work done, "Can you go with me, follow me back home?" I'm like, "Absolutely." So I take him, long story short we get to the place, he picks up his keys, I'm like, "All right, I'll follow you back to the house." I'm following this white, old white truck, I'm in his car, we're going down the road, I'm following him, I'm following him, I'm following him. He takes a left so I'm like, "What street's he taking a left on at some neighborhood, some random neighborhood? Maybe he's going to somebody's house to pick something up?" Leslie (05:11):I go down the street, the car stops in the driveway of this house, I pull off on the side of the road and this woman gets out of the car and looking at me like, "Why the hell are you following me?" I realize that I'm following her. Barnes (05:25):Oh no. Leslie (05:28):I think I'm following a black SUV which is my car. Barnes (05:32):Oh my gosh, this is so Fram. Cubby (05:35):That is great. Leslie (05:36):She's looking at me like, "Are you here to rob me or something?" I'm like, "Oh my god." So, I start the car and act like I don't know why I stopped on the side of the road, I hit some dead end street so then I go down another street not familiar with dead end street. Now I'm going like, "Lenny's probably freaking out wondering where the hell is she?" And so I'm heading back to the farm, he doesn't have his phone, I'm like, "He's really going to be worried about me, I don't know what to do." This is like 20 minutes after I followed him. Finally I get halfway there, he is now coming the opposite way looking for me. Barnes (06:13):Oh my gosh. Cubby (06:15):You can't make this up. Leslie (06:18):Waving, waving, I'm okay. I can't it make up, so long story short, I just spaced out and was following the wrong car. Barnes (06:23):Fram what happens? Where is the disconnect? Leslie (06:26):I don't know. Cubby (06:26):Were you just paying attention to the color? Barnes (06:28):Were you on the phone? Leslie (06:30):I thought I was following my car instead of following his car. And again, some poor random lady is wondering why the hell I'm following her and stopping in front of her house. Cubby (06:39):Yeah. Barnes (06:39):Leslie, this is a trend. This is not just something out of the blue, this happens for 30 years. Leslie (06:44):I'm getting worried about myself. Cubby (06:46):Yeah, I mean it really is concerning actually. I mean, we should probably unplug her mic, to be honest with you. Leslie (06:51):Cubby, I need some of that Jägermeister you're drinking every day. Cubby (06:54):Yes. Barnes (06:54):Keep sipping that wine because you're going to need it in a few minutes Fram, I'll just tell you that. Wait until we get to me. Cubby (07:00):I can't top that story, man. I'm not even going to play in this game, that is funny. Barnes (07:05):Cubby, you've got nothing? Cubby (07:06):No. Barnes (07:06):I'll give you one, Cubby's such a dick to me. Cubby (07:10):Shut up. Leslie (07:10):What? Barnes (07:11):He says that I call him too much. Cubby (07:12):No, you've calmed down since I said that, but no, there are so many things that you could text and everything's got to be a call. I mean, you can just text it. Barnes (07:22):No, because I'm really not a phone talker. Cubby (07:23):No, you are, you're the only one. Barnes (07:25):But I'm really not, only you. Because it's show related and I feel like I don't want to type a soliloquy into my text and so I call. Cubby (07:33):Look, I agree, sometimes you need the phone just to get right to the point and talk it out, but a lot of your calls could easily have been a text. Barnes (07:40):Here's how it goes, I dial, here's Cubby, "Hello?" Leslie (07:45):Cubby, I need to ask you a question though. Cubby (07:47):Please. Leslie (07:48):Are you a little intimidated by Barnes? Barnes (07:51):For what? Leslie (07:52):Because with Barnes texts me and I don't get right back to him because I'm on a million Zoom calls a day, I'll go like, "Hey, let me call you back when I have a break." Barnes (08:02):Keep drinking. Leslie (08:02):Because I know, I know that he is like, "Where is she, why is she not calling me back, why is she not texting me back, why is she not calling me back?" Barnes (08:10):Keep drinking. Cubby (08:11):You're a hundred percent right, Leslie and even though Barnes is our friend, it's almost like a boss. Leslie (08:17):It is, it is hardcore. Barnes (08:19):So then this week my phone rings and I look down it says Cubby and I have this really funny picture for Cubby and I'm like, "Oh, now he wants to talk." Cubby (08:28):Right, yeah. Barnes (08:28):And then I pick it up he goes, "I know, I just want to know, can you give me some mic recommendations and I need some chair recommendations and a desk recommendation. And how do I plug in these headphones to the speaker?" I'm his personal Apple Genius. Cubby (08:42):Leslie, have you noticed Barnes is not very warm on text? Leslie (08:45):It's short. Cubby (08:46):It's very short, there's never- Barnes (08:47):You're welcome. Cubby (08:48):... never an emoji, not even a smiley face. Barnes (08:51):I give you the fist all the time. Cubby (08:53):Yeah, you do, you get the fist and then the pound I like that. Leslie (08:54):Did you like my little gifs that I send? Cubby (08:56):Yeah. Leslie (08:58):I'm trying to do funny gifs and I know Barnes hates that. Barnes (09:01):Okay, you're the two people with a real job and you have time for emojis. Leslie (09:06):Hey, I like my- Barnes (09:07):I just float around. Leslie (09:08):I like my Bitmoji. Barnes (09:09):Wow. Leslie (09:10):I think it looks cute. Cubby (09:11):Yeah, right. Barnes (09:11):So how was your week, Cubby? Cubby (09:14):You know what, it was much better than last week because you remember we had the tropical storm up here and so this week we were back to normal, normal work week. I will admit, I'm a lit nervous, I've got some butterflies in my stomach because my wife and I are taking our first road trip with our six-month-old baby. We're taking a six hour trip to Virginia Beach, Virginia, my home town and I'm not going to lie, I'm nervous about how it's going to go. I know the baby sleeps well in the car, but I know she's not going to sleep for six hours straight. I don't want any meltdowns, I want to be prepared, I want the wife to be happy, I'm worried about this trip. Barnes (09:46):If I was your wife, I'd be more concerned about you than the baby. Cubby (09:49):She said that actually, she said, "You're worrying more than me." And I even talked about this on the radio show and people said worry more when they're two or three years old because that's when it becomes are we there yet and you got to entertain them and all that. But she's six months old, she's probably just going to be chilling most of it, so I'm okay with it, but I don't know why, I'm just nervous about this whole weekend and everything. Leslie (10:11):I think you're going to be fine, I think you might need like a little DVD player for yourself. Cubby (10:15):As I'm driving? Leslie (10:16):Yeah. Barnes (10:16):You can sit in the back with the baby as you're driving. That would be fantastic. Cubby (10:22):So yeah, I'm looking forward to that, but guys, I mean I'm just excited that this show is really just moving along here. We are really getting some great numbers and some great feedback and I'm just very happy to be a part of this show, I'm really having a blast. Barnes (10:35):You're going to make me cry now, Cubby, gosh. Cubby (10:37):No, I really am having fun. I was very hesitant about doing this, but of course Barnes with that whole philosophy of scaring the shit of you, I'm like, "All right, all right, I guess I'll do it." Barnes (10:47):What the hell? Cubby (10:50):But I'm glad I said yes. Barnes (10:51):Okay, let's get into my week because it's about Leslie. Cubby (10:55):All right. Barnes (10:56):This week I got a gift. I got some new shoes and I love cool shoes. We talk about shoes sometimes a lot. I got what's called DropLabs and we're filming this segment also so we can put it on our social so you can see what's about to happen. These shoes are- Leslie (11:17):Big. Barnes (11:18):Well, these are mine, they're a size 12 and a half. Leslie (11:20):And I'm an 8. Barnes (11:22):And female which what about a 6 in male? They're going to look like clown shoes on Leslie, but the fashion statement is not what matters. They're black, black shoes, good looking shoes. Leslie (11:31):I like black shoes, yeah. Barnes (11:33):And what they have in them completely electronic soles that have technology that connect to your Bluetooth headphones and give you an entire body experience when you listen to music. Cubby (11:48):Oh my gosh. Barnes (11:49):And it's almost like wearing two subwoofers on your feet but more. Cubby (11:55):How long have these been available? Barnes (11:56):They just came out. Cubby (11:58):They just came out. Barnes (11:58):It's called DropLabs. Cubby (12:00):Never heard of it. Leslie (12:00):Have you done this? Barnes (12:01):It's the EP 01. Yeah, these are my shoes. Leslie (12:03):So what happened when you tried it? Barnes (12:05):I absolutely love it. Leslie (12:07):Okay, so here we go. Barnes (12:09):I purposefully have not done this, so I'm going to turn these on, look Cubby, you can describe what's happening. Cubby (12:14):Okay. Barnes (12:14):You see on the back? Cubby (12:16):Yeah, it's like a button, is that a button? Barnes (12:18):Yeah. Cubby (12:19):Yeah. Barnes (12:19):So I'm going to turn the shoe on. Cubby (12:21):On the heel of the shoe there's a button and now it's lighting up. Barnes (12:23):Yeah, so there's one shoe. Fram? Cubby (12:25):Is that the Bluetooth connecting or something? Barnes (12:27):I guess, yeah, everything's connected together. Leslie (12:29):Wow. This is really actually cool. So do you want me to. Barnes (12:32):Put on it on here, you don't have to tie, just put your feet in them. Leslie (12:35):That's the left? Okay. Cubby (12:36):If you wear them in the rain, will you die? Barnes (12:39):No. Cubby (12:40):Okay. Leslie (12:40):Thanks Cubby. Barnes (12:41):Yeah, you will survive. Leslie (12:44):All right, I have the left foot on. Barnes (12:47):All right, let me get the right one turned on. Put that on. Leslie (12:50):Okay. Barnes (12:50):I'm getting excited just thinking about what's ... okay, so- Cubby (12:53):So what is she going to experience again? Leslie (12:54):I have no idea. Barnes (12:55):Leslie, you're going to have to take those headphones off and you're not going to be able to hear Cubby. Leslie (13:00):All right. Barnes (13:01):But you're going to put these on. I just hope it doesn't start before. Cubby (13:04):Wait, are her feet, are they going to vibrate like she's at a concert? I don't understand. Barnes (13:09):So right now it looks like she's wearing clown shoes because she's got my size 12 and a halfs on. Cubby (13:16):Right, right. Barnes (13:16):And so you have the headphones on. Leslie (13:18):Are they on? Barnes (13:19):Yeah. So, we're filming this again so you can see the reaction. Now, I've got her headphones connected to my system, so let me just make sure. Yeah, it's on. Leslie (13:32):I just want to make sure. Barnes (13:33):Now, Leslie, I don't know if you're going to get the whole experience right out the gate, I think you might, so just tell us what happens. I don't know because you might just hear the headphones first, I have to make sure that I have it turned on correctly. Cubby (13:46):What kind of music you're playing? Barnes (13:46):I think I'm going to play Jack White. Leslie (13:49):Oh yes. Barnes (13:50):Let's do Seven Nation. Leslie (13:52):Yeah, Seven Nation Army. Barnes (13:53):Yeah. Cubby (13:53):Well here's my question real quick, does it matter if it ... will she get more of an effect if it's a bass-y song or does it really matter? Barnes (13:58):That's got a lot going on. Cubby (14:00):Okay. Barnes (14:00):Did you hear music right then? Leslie (14:01):Yeah, I heard the first and that was it. Barnes (14:04):Can I turn it up loud, you're good? Leslie (14:06):Yeah. Barnes (14:06):Okay, now watch her face, I'm about to turn the shoes on, hang tight. Leslie (14:10):It's happening. Cubby (14:17):Now Leslie can you hear me? Barnes (14:18):Do you feel it? Cubby (14:19):What's happening? Leslie (14:19):Yeah. Barnes (14:20):She can't hear you, hold on, let's let her- Leslie (14:22):This is amazing. Barnes (14:23):What's that? Tell people what's happening. Leslie (14:26):You can actually feel it through your entire body. Cubby (14:30):Oh my gosh. Leslie (14:31):I mean, this is amazing. Barnes (14:34):It sounds like Jack White is in the room underneath us and the whole band is playing. Leslie (14:38):You can feel the pulsation, it's almost like somebody's drumming on my feet and it's going through my whole body. Barnes (14:47):She's bouncing, you can see her bouncing in the chair. Leslie (14:49):This is really cool. Barnes (14:50):Now how insane is that? Leslie (14:52):I love it. Barnes (14:53):I knew you would love it. Here, let me give you another- Leslie (14:57):Okay. Barnes (14:57):... let me give you another song so you can feel some bass. Leslie (15:01):Cubby, you have to try this. Barnes (15:02):It's unbelievable. Leslie (15:03):It's incredible. Barnes (15:04):Here's some Dave Matthews, try this. Leslie (15:05):Okay, oh yeah. Barnes (15:09):Cubby, it's like wearing subwoofers as shoes. Cubby (15:13):Almost like the band, like you said, is rehearsing in a room next to you or below you. That's actually really cool. Leslie (15:18):Do you think that people are going to take this to like clubs and stuff? Barnes (15:20):Well, so think of it as concerts, think about it's called DropLabs, droplabs.com. And also gamers, so what was that game you played where you killed the people because you're violent? What's that game? Leslie (15:34):Mortal Kombat? Cubby (15:35):No, I got into Grand Theft Auto, yeah, Grand Theft Auto. Barnes (15:38):You'll be able to feel people walking up next to you in the shoes. Cubby (15:42):Can you ask the retail value? Leslie (15:44):This is amazing. Barnes (15:45):You have to go to the website, I don't know the exact cost. Cubby (15:48):Okay. Barnes (15:49):You can pull it up. Droplabs.com if you have a computer. Cubby (15:53):You're a great salesperson. Leslie (15:54):You feel it immediately. Barnes (15:54):No I'm saying you, I mean you can get your answer. I don't know, I don't have a computer in front of me, I have all hands in use right now. Leslie (16:00):This is really cool. I love it. Barnes (16:03):Fram, she's done, she's not going to be on the show anymore. Leslie (16:06):I'm still here. Barnes (16:07):It's all over. Cubby (16:08):I wasn't being sarcastic, I want to get a Tesla now and DropLabs all because of you. I'm serious. Barnes (16:13):But my problem now is what if I run out of juice in my Tesla and my shoes. I'm going to have no beat. Cubby (16:19):No beat all. Barnes (16:21):And I'm going to not be moving at all. Leslie (16:22):He's going to be stranded in my farm. Barnes (16:24):From here, Cubby, I'm sitting three feet from her and I can feel the floor shaking. She's tapping her feet now. Anyway. Leslie (16:32):It's really cool. Cubby (16:32):Can Leslie hear me? Barnes (16:33):No. Leslie (16:33):Especially the good drumming songs like Carter Beauford from Dave Matthews Band. Barnes (16:38):So come back to your regular headphones, party's over, all right, turn them off. Yeah, we have to do the show. How crazy is that? Leslie (16:44):It's amazing. Cubby (16:45):That is so cool and I have a question for her after she puts her headphones on. Barnes (16:48):She's going to put her headphones back, Cubby's got a question for you. Leslie (16:50):By the way, I'm still tingling. Barnes (16:54):It's unbelievable. Leslie (16:55):You finish and you're still tingling. Cubby (16:57):So, are you asking for a cigarette now? I mean. All right. Barnes (17:03):That's going to be the next thing, trying the shoes while you're having sex. Leslie (17:08):That is amazing. Cubby (17:08):Check this out, I'm on the website droplabs.com because I wanted to get a price. Leslie (17:13):That's incredible. Cubby (17:15):And I'm looking at- Leslie (17:16):That's incredible. Cubby (17:16):They're all sold out. Leslie (17:18):What? Barnes (17:18):They're about to get a new shipment. Cubby (17:19):Notify me when available, there's a button here for that, but there's no price and wow, compatible with all Bluetooth headphones. Barnes (17:26):It's unbelievable. Cubby (17:27):Compatible with iPhone, Android. Leslie (17:28):I'm surprised it took somebody this long to come up with this technology. Barnes (17:31):I'll let you know when ... and also artist mixing. So when you're mixing your record, you can feel the music. Or if you're a drummer, you can put the bass and whoever like your monitor. So you're feeling it in your feet and up through your body. Leslie (17:49):It's so cool. Cubby (17:51):That is so cool. I mean, just when you think they thought of everything, that is something that really gives you the feels and wow. Barnes (17:56):They're about to be in stock. Cubby (17:57):Yeah, it's got nothing but five stars, this is so cool. Leslie (18:01):By the way, it's great for the gift for someone who has everything. Cubby (18:04):Right. Leslie (18:05):This is the gift. Cubby (18:06):Yeah, because you know they don't have it. Leslie (18:07):You know what I'm saying? Barnes (18:07):Because no-one has it. Cubby (18:08):Right. And you know what, they look good. Barnes (18:10):What's weird though is people will look at you ... they're good looking. They're great looking shoes. Cubby (18:14):They really are. Barnes (18:14):I went into eat and the people were, I was like, "What are they looking at?" And I'm like, "Oh, because I sound like a car has come inside and you know when you pull up next to a car and it's like- Cubby (18:26):The annoying bass? Yeah, yeah. Barnes (18:28):Yeah, that's what you're noticed. Leslie (18:31):By the way they are actually good looking shoes though. Barnes (18:33):They are and they're comfortable. Leslie (18:35):Yeah. Cubby (18:35):Yeah. Barnes (18:36):So anyway, that was not a paid segment. Cubby (18:38):No. Barnes (18:38):That's just enthusiasm. Cubby (18:39):And you know what, we are called the Pop Culture Show so we're hip on new trends and stuff like that and there we go, that's a new one that I never even heard of. Barnes (18:47):Check them out. Leslie (18:47):Thanks Barnes. Barnes (18:47):Yup, droplabs.com. Cubby (18:50):I am reserving a pair right now. Leslie (18:53):Well let's dive into some Celebrity Sleaze. Poor Simon Cowell, did you hear about his six hour surgery about his back injury? Barnes (19:00):I've heard so many stories. Cubby (19:01):Yeah, I didn't know it was six hours though. Leslie (19:04):Bike crash, broke his back, six hour surgery. Had to put a metal rod in his back. Cubby (19:10):My buddy was on that show earlier this week. Micheal Yo, he was a comedian, he was on Monday night. Got voted off Tuesday night, but he was bummed out that he did the show and Simon wasn't there. Barnes (19:20):It's going to be weird because Simon was stiff already, now he's got a metal plate in his back. Cubby (19:25):Boom, Barnes with the jokes. Leslie (19:27):Hello. Barnes (19:27):I'm just saying. Leslie (19:30):Hello. Cubby (19:30):Yeah. Leslie (19:31):Well, Kelly Clarkson was filling in for him, so that's cool. So every week we talk about this about how Hollywood has lost ideas, here's another one. Jim Carrey reportedly returning for two more Mask movies. Barnes (19:42):Really? Leslie (19:43):Two more. Cubby (19:44):Is it because we're all wearing masks? Is that the main reason? Barnes (19:48):Hollywood's like, "Oh yeah, a movie about masks, yeah, do it." Cubby (19:51):Yeah, jump on it. Leslie (19:52):Here we go again, another reboot. Every week we talk about this, Saved By The Bell reboot. Barnes (19:57):I saw the trailer, much more dramatic. Cubby (20:00):Right, it's more like a Beverley Hills 90210. Barnes (20:02):Yeah. Cubby (20:03):Some serious moments, but I've always been a fan of Saved By The Bell, it's a great time, it's a great period. Leslie (20:09):So Barnes, our old buddy David Arquette, You Cannot Kill David Arquette has been released. I guess it's going to be video-on-demand with David Arquette? Barnes (20:17):It looks hysterical. I had no idea that the wrestling world was so freaked out about him. Leslie (20:23):Yeah, I had no idea either that he was in the wrestling world. Cubby, I don't know if you knew that or not. Cubby (20:28):Did not. Leslie (20:28):But we're old buddies with David Arquette, so we have to try to get him on this show. Barnes (20:33):Which I texted him and usually he texts right back which he must be just busy with promotion for the show, but he was apparently the WCW champ in 2000. It was a bit, but the wrestling world never accepted him. Cubby (20:50):Well, we keep bringing in these heavy hitters as far as guests go. You might want to work on that one. Barnes (20:54):I'm trying. Leslie (20:55):Here's something else that hit the internet that I absolutely loved and people are wondering what ever happened to Phil Collins. Well, In The Air Tonight has hit, again, after 39 years of being released, it's back on the chart because of these twins from Gary, Indiana and their spontaneous reaction to Phil Collins In The Air Tonight. Barnes (21:15):Oh, it's hysterical. Leslie (21:16):22-year-old twins Tim and Fred Williams and I guess when they get to the drum part, they just go crazy. I sent it to Barnes and he loved it. Barnes (21:25):Cubby, have you seen it? Cubby (21:25):Yeah, it's great. It reminds me kind of Hangover? Remember when Mike Tyson and the drums? Yeah. Barnes (21:31):And there's a bunch of people that do these type of videos, this one I would play a clip but it won't make sense because we're watching the screen and describing it. But to watch them and that big drum part that comes in five minutes in. Cubby (21:44):Right. Barnes (21:44):And they're just sitting there bobbing their head and then they both almost fall out of the chair and are like, "Who would drop a beat five minutes into a song?" Cubby (21:53):Which is a great point actually, but it's a classic. Barnes (21:56):They're like, Phil. Cubby (21:57):Have you seen the people doing the drums with the cupboards or in the kitchen and right when the beat kicks in, they close all the cupboard doors and they have to time it out perfectly? Barnes (22:06):Yup. Cubby (22:07):I love that on TikTok. Barnes (22:07):It's really good. Cubby (22:08):Yeah. Leslie (22:09):Now Cubby, you always do The Wayback Machine, do you remember who was in the original Three Men and a Baby? Because there's going to be a remake. Barnes (22:15):Tom Selleck. Cubby (22:16):John Travolta? Barnes (22:18):John Travolta and Martin Short. Leslie (22:20):Was Travolta in it? Was Tom Selleck? Barnes (22:22):I don't know. Cubby (22:22):Or am I wrong? Leslie (22:23):Ted Danson. Barnes (22:24):Ted Danson. Cubby (22:25):That's right, that's right. Leslie (22:25):And Steve Guttenberg. Barnes (22:26):Oh man, I was way off. Leslie (22:27):But anyway. Cubby (22:28):So there goes my cred. Leslie (22:29):Here we go, Three Men and a Baby, guess who's going to redo it? Zac Efron. Which I don't see that at all because he's a pretty boy. Cubby (22:36):Right, I don't see it either. Leslie (22:37):Which is nothing wrong with that. Barnes (22:39):Who are the other two? And does he play the baby? Leslie (22:40):It doesn't say. Cubby (22:45):Is there anything original anymore? Leslie (22:46):Maybe he should. No. Cubby (22:47):I'm pretty sad. Barnes (22:47):No. Leslie (22:48):Hey, by the way Barnes, you live in Atlanta, did you know that they're making Spider-Man 3 there? Barnes (22:53):They did not consult me on this one. Leslie (22:56):They need to, Spider-Man 3 apparently pre-production happening in the ATL again because Hollywood has no new ideas. Did you see the power list, the highest paid actor list from Forbes? Barnes (23:08):I did not. Cubby (23:08):I know, I know, I know, can I go? Leslie (23:11):Geez, yeah, go ahead. Cubby (23:12):No, I'm just excited because there's one thing you mentioned that I've actually read about and maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's The Rock. Leslie (23:17):Mm-hmm (affirmative) The Rock. Cubby (23:19):Which surprises me because I know he's done a lot, but what has he done lately? I don't know. Barnes (23:24):Well, a ton. He's always on something and they're usually hokey comedies and he's getting paid huge. Cubby (23:30):Maybe because I'm not a huge fan I don't even know, but yeah. Leslie (23:33):Maybe you're just not aware of his films, but apparently he made an estimated 87.5 million over the last year. Cubby (23:40):That's some good coin right there. Leslie (23:41):And there were some other people in there that I totally got like Mark Wahlberg, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Will Smith, Adam Sandler, Ben Affleck too by the way was in that list as well. Cubby (23:51):Right. Leslie (23:52):And I know he's been doing a bunch of stuff for Netflix. How about The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, a reboot there with Will Smith. Barnes (23:59):Come on, everything's a reboot. Leslie (24:02):Yeah, the show's based on, again, on Morgan Cooper's viral YouTube trailer with I guess Morgan Cooper also on board with Will Smith. Of course Will Smith has got to be involved, of course. Barnes (24:13):This looks more like Boyz n the Hood Leslie (24:16):Did it? I didn't see the trailer. Barnes (24:16):No seriously, it's very dramatic, very dramatic. It's not a comedy. Leslie (24:21):I thought this was very progressive for the Hallmark Channel. They will feature their first same-sex wedding. Barnes (24:30):That is a big deal for them and it's about time. Leslie (24:31):I thought so too. I mean, by the way, it's great, but I was really like wow. Barnes (24:35):Right, they're very conservative. Leslie (24:38):Now this was bizarre, David Blaine, you know David Blaine the magician? Cubby (24:43):Yeah. Leslie (24:43):To float through the air while holding balloons. Barnes (24:46):What the hell do balloons have to do with it? Leslie (24:46):His new special will stream on August 31st on his YouTube channel. Barnes (24:53):Seriously, am I missing something? Leslie (24:56):By the way Cubby, this is in your neck of the woods. Cubby (24:58):Yeah. Leslie (24:58):Follow Blaine as he attempts to float from New Jersey over the New York City skyline. Cubby (25:03):Yeah. Barnes (25:04):Come on. Leslie (25:04):What? Cubby (25:04):We talked about this on our show today and I think it's funny, it's only going to be on YouTube. David Blaine used to have specials on major networks, what does that say? Barnes (25:15):Well, I mean, YouTube's probably paying him a big nut. Cubby (25:18):Well yeah, you're right, I know YouTube's huge, but I used to remember David Blaine on NBC or ABC, it was a big deal. And he hasn't done anything in a while, so I guess I am curious. Leslie (25:29):Yeah, I'm curious about that and Barnes actually turned me on to this and it's quite funny, but another reason that 2020 continues to be weird, have you seen or heard Michael Jackson's Bad- Barnes (25:43):Oh, this is great. Leslie (25:44):... as a bluegrass song? Barnes (25:45):Have you seen it Cubby? Cubby (25:46):I have not and maybe I shouldn't be on this show because it's pop culture, I don't know about this one. Barnes (25:51):This one is good. I'm going to play part of it for you, I wish I could show you, but you can just Google it. Just Google Michael Jackson Bad bluegrass. Cubby (26:00):Okay. Barnes (26:01):Who did this, does it say who did it? Leslie (26:02):No, it doesn't. Barnes (26:03):It's unbelievable. Hearing it is pretty cool, but when you see that they've taken the original video and what I'm about to play for you, put it all together, it's insane (singing). Imagine the video, we all know the video. They're all running around, it's crazy. Cubby (26:33):I'm imagining Deliverance is what I'm imagining. Barnes (26:35):Yeah. Leslie (26:38):Good call on Deliverance. Cubby (26:40):Squeal like a pig. Barnes (26:40):It's really wild. Google that, you will love it. Leslie (26:43):So I'm sure the next time we talk, I'll talk more about more reboots coming out of Hollywood, that's your Celebrity Sleaze. Cubby (26:49):All right, I love it. Hey, I'm a little behind on my Netflix watching, I will admit. Are you guys watching anything on Netflix? Barnes (26:56):Let me get my app, standby, because I can't remember all of them. Hold on. Leslie (26:59):I told you I'm still watching Yellowstone on the Paramount network which is phenomenal. Kevin Costner. Barnes (27:05):Have you watched Dr. Foster yet? Leslie (27:06):No. Barnes (27:07):Damn it, Fram. Leslie (27:07):No, I'm sorry. Barnes (27:08):I give you recommendations because I care. Cubby (27:11):Well here's what I want to talk about. Barnes (27:14):Hold on, you asked me a question, let me answer. Leslie (27:16):He's actually looking up his Netflix app. Barnes (27:17):Well, because I'm trying to remember what I'm watching. Cubby (27:19):Yeah, chop the shit out. Leslie (27:19):You're not watching Selling Sunset are you? Barnes (27:22):No, it just came up with an ad, Fram. Leslie (27:24):Okay. Barnes (27:24):Slow your roll, I don't like doing this show with you in the same room. Leslie (27:26):Slow your roll. Barnes (27:27):I need my social distance. Leslie (27:29):Did he just say slow your roll? Barnes (27:30):You're looking over my shoulder like we're in an airplane seat and you're like, "Do you really watch Selling Sunset?" I have seen one episode. I'm watching Outer Banks. Leslie (27:42):Yeah, I have to watch that because everybody that I work with is like, "You got to watch Outer Banks." Barnes (27:47):And Charles Esten who's one of the stars is going to be on this show in I think three weeks right at the end of August? Leslie (27:52):Former start of Nashville, TV show Nashville. Cubby (27:55):Look at that. Barnes (27:56):Do you know a little bit about that do you? Leslie (27:56):Mm-hmm (affirmative) Barnes (27:58):Bloodline, there's another one. Leslie (27:59):I finished that a long time ago. Barnes (28:02):Oh well, why haven't you mentioned it? Leslie (28:04):I love Bloodline. Barnes (28:05):And Money Heist, I'm on the third section. Cubby (28:08):I have a fun Netflix fact for you. So, when you sign on to the streaming service, the logo appears and you hear that famous sound. Barnes (28:16):Love that sound. Cubby (28:18):So, the Netflix offices call that the Ta-Dum and it's very recognizable, but believe it or not, so Todd Yellin, Netflix's Vice President of Product, he recently revealed that one of the options considered for Netflix production logo was something else. And I got to tell you, I have three options here and I want you to see which one do you think they were considering. And this is no joke, by the way, they were considering one of these sounds and I want you to see if you know which one it is. Is it A? Speaker 6 (28:49):Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats. The show is about to begin. Cubby (28:54):All right or is it B? Or is it C? Barnes (29:06):Wow. Leslie (29:06):Okay. Cubby (29:06):Of the three you heard, which one do you think they were actually considering as the beginning of the logo on it? Barnes (29:11):This is for real, one of those three as going to be the Ta-Dum? Cubby (29:15):One hundred percent. Leslie (29:15):I'm going to say B. Cubby (29:17):You're going to say B and that was- Barnes (29:19):Which was the cartoon sounding thing? Cubby (29:21):Right, that was the cartoon sounding thing. Barnes (29:23):I would say the ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats like it's showtime. Cubby (29:28):That's what I thought, guys. But believe it or not. Barnes (29:33):No way. Leslie (29:34):There's no way. Barnes (29:34):A goat? Cubby (29:35):The sound of a goat was on the shortlist of possible sound options to go along with their logo and they said that it felt like a riff of another famous production logo. Todd says, Todd Yellin, the Netflix Vice President of Product, he said he liked the sound of the goat because it was funny, quirky and their version of MGM's Leo the Lion, end quote. Leslie (29:57):No way. Barnes (29:58):What? Leslie (29:59):A goat to a lion. Barnes (30:00):Can you imagine? Cubby (30:00):They actually consider doing the Netflix logo popping up on your screen and then hearing the bleating of a goat. Barnes (30:09):Can you imagine how that would have changed just the whole thing? Cubby (30:14):But when you were a kid, do you remember watching TV shows and they had like sit, Ubu, sit, good dog. That was random and then you had the cat the end of Mary Tyler Moore. Leslie (30:26):That's true, that's true. Cubby (30:26):I mean, the goat does sound like really- Barnes (30:28):Yeah, but those were production company little soundbites as opposed to almost like a network. Maybe they weren't thinking Netflix would be as big as it is? Cubby (30:38):Maybe, but I mean I love Ta-Dum, don't get me wrong, but yeah, the goat. Leslie (30:43):Are you yearning for the goat sound now? Barnes (30:49):What a trip. Cubby (30:56):I was really thinking that would be hilarious (singing). Leslie (31:07):We are so excited to have on the show with us Mr. Kristian Bush and Kristian, I don't even know where to begin with your credits because you are a singer, a songwriter, a multi-instrumentalist, a producer, a successful producer, one half of Sugarland who have sold millions of albums worldwide, multiple number ones. Where do we begin? We've known each other, you and Barnes and I go back 20 plus years. Kristian Bush (31:33):I'm telling you that when I listened to this podcast, even today, I'm so nostalgic. You guys could tell me things and I would believe you because I've been listening to you on the radio for so long. Like immediately I'm 22. Barnes (31:50):Same here and the more wine Fram drinks, she's getting down to about 18. Leslie (31:54):Yeah. Cubby (31:55):Yeah. Leslie (31:56):We decided to drink on the show tonight because we had you on and we're like we have so many stories to tell with Kristian. Kristian Bush (32:03):Oh my gosh, well you guys are constantly reinventing yourself and I feel like if you've know somebody this long, that's what you do. Barnes (32:14):Well, I want to take the next seven minutes to list the other 13,000 bands that you're in and projects, so come back in 10 minutes, no I'm just kidding. Honestly, I don't know how you keep up with what band you're in at what point. I mean, Sugarland who's just crushed it for years, you've got all the Billy Pilgrim stuff which is coming back full circle. Leslie (32:36):Yup. Barnes (32:37):I mean, you're just everywhere. I'm being honest, when you're on stage, do you ever forget which band you're in? Kristian Bush (32:45):It just started happening about three weeks ago that I started writing songs and not knowing which band it should go to. That was an odd moment and I had to start asking myself so what makes it one thing or another? Barnes (32:57):That was my question on the way driving to Nashville today. I was like at what point when you're writing a song do you designate this is a Sugarland song, this is a Kristian Bush song. Kristian Bush (33:07):Usually it's because I'm like a habitual collaborator. So, most of the Sugarland stuff Jennifer and I write together, but I start a lot of it alone. And the Dark Water stuff is very different, the new rock record that I've done. So my partners in that are my brother Brandon and Benji Shanks and they bring me the music, so it works like the old R.E.M. world where the music shows up and then I have the weird task of walking around and making up words in my head. Cubby (33:40):But you have a lot of folders, you have a lot of folders on your desktop of your computer don't you? Barnes (33:44):Yeah. Kristian Bush (33:44):Oh my gosh, it gives my kids anxiety when they look at all the folders. They're like, "Dad." Barnes (33:53):Well, we have a lot to cover with you. Let's start with Billy Pilgrim. You are coming back and I'm assuming it's Andrew also, I mean it wouldn't be Billy Pilgrim if it wasn't, Andrew Hyra. And you guys, this is an unbelievable story and I don't even quite understand it. This album that is coming out was the lost album? Kristian Bush (34:16):Yeah, so you guys might remember this, you might not, but it was after 9/11. There was a fire in downtown Avondale and it burned the Avondale town center. Barnes (34:31):This is near Atlanta for our listeners in Japan. Kristian Bush (34:34):Yeah, this is in Atlanta and Avondale, it's one of the four or five little cities that are literally inside the city. And this theater, it was like an old movie theater, had been converted. It used to be where like Elvis played there and stuff, but it had been converted from a movie theater into a recording studio. And Sister Hazel and Third Day and Billy Pilgrim, we all recorded there with Don McCollister and Don had a fire in the studio. And my brother and I had just had this really weird tragedy, our mother passed away suddenly within a day of being sick and that was two weeks prior to the fire. Kristian Bush (35:20):So this fire burned the entire thing down and my brother and I had all of our gear and all of our music and all of our recordings in the upstairs of that theater and we had it in the old projector room stored in the movie theater and that was the name of our little project studio. Barnes (35:39):And this is what year? This is like '99? Kristian Bush (35:42):This would be 2001. Barnes (35:47):Okay. Cubby (35:47):Well yeah, because 9/11 was 2001, so. Barnes (35:49):Oh, okay, yup. Cubby (35:50):Right. Kristian Bush (35:51):Yeah, so it would have been that winter. Two or three weeks, well actually it was about a month later is when the fire happened and in the fire was this Billy Pilgrim record we had really worked for four years to make. Barnes (36:04):So you put a ribbon on it, it was done, sitting there. Kristian Bush (36:08):It was done. Barnes (36:08):Yeah. Kristian Bush (36:09):And so when everything burned, all the master files and tapes burned with it. So we had one copy left. Barnes (36:17):Wow. Kristian Bush (36:17):And we were so heartbroken and of course I was screaming. I was like that 30-year-old kid grieving the loss of a parent which is so strange. And it took us, I don't know, maybe four, five months to get up enough let's go outside and try to release this because we made it and we have one copy. So, we were like, well, maybe we should play a show and so we played one show at Eddie's Attic and about that time, I had already starting writing songs for Sugarland. Barnes (36:48):So was the plan for people just to check it out one at a time? We could all just come and like I can take it for a week and then I bring it back and then Cubby can get it? Cubby (36:57):Yeah. Kristian Bush (36:58):Right, well we were a little scared and we weren't getting along, Andrew and I, and I knew he was commuting back and forth from LA back to Atlanta. We just played this one show and we made, I don't know, two or three hundred copies of it because we thought well ... and we did it by hand, we just had it manufactured. And then we sold them at that show and then that was it and it disappeared forever. And I found my one copy during the pandemic and you and I have been talking- Leslie (37:29):No way. Kristian Bush (37:30):... for the last couple of years. And I called him, I was like, "Hey man, so how about since it's upside down world, why don't we do this?" Barnes (37:38):You're like the networks who are just rehashing old stuff, come on Kristian, I'm kidding. Kristian Bush (37:42):I heard you laughing. Leslie (37:44):This is such a treat for the fans though. Barnes (37:46):Big time. Leslie (37:47):Especially in the ATL days. Barnes (37:50):And those that don't know the angle, Andrew Hyra has a very famous sister Meg Ryan. Kristian Bush (37:58):That's right. Barnes (37:58):And people always talked about that, the buzz was all there, but you guys were supported also big time by the Indigo Girls, right, early on? Kristian Bush (38:03):Right. Barnes (38:04):And you had all this buzz around you and then you lose this record and so now ironically this was not planned, the record's being released, what, Monday this week? Kristian Bush (38:13):Yeah, one of the songs, the second song from it comes out just this week. And then- Barnes (38:20):Tamburlaine? Kristian Bush (38:21):The record itself ... yeah, Tamburlaine comes out this week and then the whole record comes out on the 4th of September. Barnes (38:27):Here's a quick clip of Tamburlaine (singing). That was done 20 years ago almost, right? Wow. Kristian Bush (38:47):Yeah. Barnes (38:47):An important question for fans, why did you and Andrew not talk for over 15 years? Kristian Bush (38:55):We still haven't actually unearthed that part. Barnes (38:58):Really? Kristian Bush (38:59):We haven't and we've been talking maybe twice a week recently if not a little bit more and we're having really great conversation, but- Barnes (39:08):Therapy? Kristian Bush (39:09):... imagine a friend of yours ... well, kind of. I mean, we've covered a lot of ground. I just took my child, my oldest, to college on Monday, so I don't think he's ever saw Camille. Barnes (39:24):Wow, that is so strange. That many years and here we are putting a record out that was all but gone, COVID happens, you find it, unearth it in your house. It's weird how things happen. Leslie (39:38):But you know what's strange because the COVID and pandemic has brought a lot of people back together and maybe this was actually one of the silver linings of this pandemic. And because Kristian's such a creative person, I mean, again, he fluidly, he can go from producing someone to doing a Sugarland record to doing a solo album. But this really good news, the Billy Pilgrim record, for all those fans, Kristian, this is incredible. Kristian Bush (40:03):Oh yeah. It really is mind blowing. And Billy Pilgrim happened before the internet, so you can't really go find out who we were or what we did or what it sounded like. You can hear some of the things we did on Atlantic Records, but again, put Billy Pilgrim in time, we signed to Atlanta three months before Hootie & the Blowfish. Barnes (40:23):Wow. Kristian Bush (40:24):My peers were Rob Thomas and Jewel and those are the people who got signed the same month we did. Cubby (40:31):Well what's the deal with Sugarland music because I've heard September, I don't have a date though, of something and a song, can you tell me more about that? Kristian Bush (40:40):We recorded literally the day after the CMAs this past year. When we record, we like to record live, so when you're hearing them on the radio if it's exciting, it's because it was exciting for those three minutes, right? And it's an old habit I have and it's a luxury because the singers that I work with a lot are really fantastic, they don't need to try. And Jennifer's definitely that way and we finished it and we were ready to release it and we were about to talk about it in March and literally as we were about to send the first email to everyone, like here's when the first song comes out, everything shut down. So, it has been paused and put off and put off and put off and now I think it's time to start releasing it because fingers crossed we get back out on the road next summer. Barnes (41:35):Yeah, release it before that place burns down, we don't need this to happen again. Don't leave new music just sitting around Kristian Bush. Kristian Bush (41:43):Oh my gosh. Leslie (41:44):You guys are signed to one of my favorite labels in town, Big Machine Records and I love the fact that you guys are putting new music out. I just talked to Jennifer Nettles the other day and she's doing a lot of stuff with Equal Play at CMT. But Kristian, you guys have a played so many festivals, so many shows with so many artists worldwide, who's been the favorite for you? Because again, you've played with every artist. Kristian Bush (42:12):That's a good question. We were just talking about this the other day because it was so far back, but there was a, it is a festival, it's still there, I think, in Memphis called the Beale Street Festival and it's down next to the river and it was Billy Pilgrim and Beck and Bob Dylan. And besides the alliteration which is hilarious, I was shocked at being able to just sit on the side of that stage and I don't even know that was 1994 maybe at what that was. Kristian Bush (42:47):And then carry that forward to I guess the other super cool one, Jennifer and I did the Nobel Peace Prize concert and it was the year that the Arab Spring lady won it with two other women and we got to sit with those ladies during the days walking into the concert and have conversation. And watching them sing our songs back was just mind blowing. It was like who gets this life? Barnes (43:23):That's so funny. Kristian Bush (43:24):And the lady that started the Arab Spring, she's very young and she had just gotten out of jail to come get her award. Leslie (43:31):Wow. Cubby (43:32):So Kristian, I live in New Jersey, so New York obviously in the backyard here. Broadway, sadly as we all know, shut down but you're working on a musical I heard that are we ever going to see? What's the deal with this? Leslie (43:46):Oh, that musical was in Atlanta too. Barnes (43:49):What? Leslie (43:49):Yeah, he did a musical, he wrote a musical. Tell them about it Kristian. Kristian Bush (43:54):I got asked to do some ... because in Atlanta they now consider me a country singer, right, because Billy Pilgrim wasn't playing for a long time. So, I got asked to do some country songs for a play by a famous playwright in Atlanta named Janece Shaffer and she needed a song for a play and it turned into 16 songs, it turned into a musical. And the Alliance in Atlanta which is our big theater did the world premier of it and it has gone into the world called Troubadour and it's about a guy who's retiring in 1951 on the stage of the rhyme and is a country singer and it's whether his son will take over and his son's new friend is a Jewish tailor. It turns out all of the tailors that moved country music from church clothes into bedazzled clothes were Jewish tailors which I thought was a really interesting story. Kristian Bush (44:47):So that became in a musical called Troubadour. And the same playwright then reached out to me and said, "Hey, let's write something else, we were a good team." I said, "Okay, let's do it." And it happened to be the week of the Kavanaugh testimony. Leslie (45:02):Mm-hmm (affirmative) Cubby (45:02):Mm-hmm (affirmative) yup. Kristian Bush (45:05):And we went through lots of different ideas, like first of all isn't that strange that you have lunch somewhere and talk about ideas for a musical, right? And it got shot down, but we started that day and ran straight through for three months and wrote a musical about the Kavanaugh testimony. Barnes (45:23):You wrote a musical about the Kavanaugh testimony? Kristian Bush (45:27):Yeah. Barnes (45:27):Here's one, try something about I'm not going to give that girl a shot, see if that will work. Because on Broadway ... I'm sorry, that one fell flat. I'm sorry, I'm sorry everybody. That's crazy, you're writing for Broadway. Cubby (45:42):But this was a lot of work that we're never going to see or hear? Kristian Bush (45:45):Well, it's hard to tell. We thought that it got a director and it got a place and it was going to move running into the election because they thought it's a pretty topical thing. And there's a lot of conversation, I'm very vocal about my pro-women stance in all of the things that I do and this is definitely one of them. And it was a fascinating ... we will get to see it, but it was an exploration of what happens in a heterosexual couple when you are faced with the triggering of what happened in the Kavanaugh trial. Suddenly you look at your spouse and you're like, "Is there something you need to tell me?" Leslie (46:39):That's fascinating. Kristian Bush (46:39):Today's the day. And it happened all over the place, it happened to couples everywhere. Barnes (46:46):Wow, COVID killed your Kavanaugh trial, but brought back Billy Pilgrim. Leslie (46:49):Kind of, yeah. Barnes (46:51):This universe is just funky. Cubby (46:53):It really is. Barnes (46:54):It really is funky. Kristian, what is it like winning a Grammy? Kristian Bush (46:59):It's like a Superbowl thing and you know what's weird? It was mind blowing to have it happen, but it's even more mind blowing now. I really believe in the Grammys and the Recording Academy, is the organization MusiCares, a lot of the efforts that they have. And now that I'm in it, I can't believe how hard it was to actually win one. Barnes (47:21):I mean I can't imagine what that must have feel like being there. You know you're nominated, but as they're doing your category, does it become an out of body experience when you start, Sugarland and then they play a clip from the song on the big screen and then all of sudden they're saying the winner is Sugarland. Kristian Bush (47:38):Yeah, it's mind blowing. Barnes (47:41):And where's your Grammy now? Kristian Bush (47:44):It's sitting in the studio next to my Star Wars lunchbox on the shelf. Barnes (47:53):Nice. Nice. Kristian Bush (47:56):I work with a lot of artists and I don't want them to be out on the desk shined up or anything. Barnes (48:03):Only when you want to piss them off, right? You want to motivate them or piss them off. Kristian Bush (48:06):No, but I'd love to ... things of equal weight, when you put them on the same shelf they have anything in your life. And I think it's nice to be reminded that you can do something impossible and you love your Star Wars lunchbox. Barnes (48:22):That's funny, if I had it, I'd be like Cubby shine my Grammy. Cubby (48:25):Every day. Barnes (48:25):Shine my Grammy. Cubby (48:26):Every day. Barnes (48:27):There's a couple stories that I think are cool that I want to share. One of them, I don't know if you remember this, we were at lunch at Atlanta over off of Ponce and you got a call about something, about a gig, that when I went home and told my daughters and I'm sure when you told your daughters, it became all encompassing of the conversation. I want to play a quick clip of a song first, this is the artist that was reaching out to and then we'll say for what (singing). Barnes (49:08):That's Sugarland with Taylor Swift and you had just gotten the call to go be the surprise guest at the Dallas Cowboy Stadium on Taylor's tour. As a dad of a teenage daughter, you daughter's how old? Kristian Bush (49:26):Well, she turned 15. Barnes (49:28):Okay, in the sweet spot. How did that go over when you dropped that little nugget that oh, by the way, Taylor Swift just called me and wants me to come be the surprise guest at her show? I don't mean in attendance for people listening, she was doing every tour stop was a different artist that would come out and perform with her and Kristian Bush was it for Dallas. Kristian Bush (49:50):Yeah, I told them at dinner because I make them dinner no matter how grumpy teenager-y they are. And at dinner I make them do the same thing, I'm like tell the best thing that happened to you today, I just make them tell me. And they'll make up, "This dinner." Or, "I laughed with my friends." Or they would take it somewhat seriously and then I pregnant pause it and wait for them to ask me. And sometimes they just forget about me completely, but that day, they're like, "Oh, so dad, so I guess you want us to ask you what's the best thing that happened in your day." I was like, "Oh, nothing, I'm just going to play with Taylor." Kristian Bush (50:30):And we just left it at that and it didn't really land until we did it and then the next day her world is a very incredible functioning machine, right? And they immediately posted our appearance on the internet and the song itself. And my daughter, she was like, all I got was a text and I wish I saved it, but it read something like, "Who would have thought that my 40-something year old dad would be cooler than me for any moment of my life but it just happened." Leslie (51:08):That's awesome. Barnes (51:09):Did you get the all caps OMG? Because when I went home and told my daughters, "Hey, I was just at lunch with my friend Kristian." And they're like, "Yeah, yeah." Said, "Well, he's about to go play in Texas Stadium with Taylor Swift." And then there was a pause and they looked at me like, "Can he come over?" All of a sudden they're like, "We love Kristian." It's just funny, I mean what is it like getting in that machine of Taylor Swift's world? When I show up at that- Kristian Bush (51:38):Yeah, it's interesting for me, it's similar to the same stuff with Andrew. Taylor and I knew each other because she opened for Sugarland. Leslie (51:48):That's true, she opened for Sugarland, yeah. Kristian Bush (51:50):And we would take her out because nobody else would and ger parents became people who would ask me questions backstage like, "How do I do this?" I'm like, "Oh, interestingly I've done this like twice now and here's what you need to do and here's what you need to look out for." So we have a relationship that actually just exists back there in time. So, it was funny to be in a room where everybody's anxious of the superstar and she's really not changed that whole much or at least the way she talks to me hasn't. And she's like, "Oh, what do you think about this?" I'm like, "Oh, what do you think about this?" And suddenly we're back in 2000 and whatever 5. Barnes (52:33):But what's cool about that and says a lot about her is that she hasn't changed. Because there are some people that do like Leslie. I mean, the minute stuff started and Leslie's like- Leslie (52:44):I become such a diva, it's unbelievable Kristian, but anyway. Kristian Bush (52:47):It was so great, it's one of the things you wonder how people navigate this when it happens to them and weirdly I've seen them on the way up and the way back down like twice now. Different kinds of different people that you know well. And the grace of how you navigate it is your true character and she has character, she's like, "What do I do now? I really like my boyfriend. I've dated this guy longer than anybody else." And I was like, "You know what, let me tell you something, do you like board games? Start with Scrabble, start learning to drink wine. Figure out who these people are in your life, spend extra time with them." And then suddenly that's now what we talk about. Barnes (53:37):We've been telling Leslie every week get Taylor Swift on this show and she's like, "Barnes I'm not going to." Just come on. Leslie (53:46):Kristian might be able to do that for you. Barnes (53:47):Yeah, get Taylor Swift to come give us some love old school. Cubby (53:51):Did she ever try to make you adopt a cat? Kristian Bush (53:55):No, I'm not a cat person. Cubby (53:58):Oh, okay. I know she loves her cats. Kristian Bush (54:00):I fall completely on the dog side. Barnes (54:01):Maybe that's our angle, Cubby. Cubby (54:03):Yeah, because me and Barnes are cat people. I mean no offense to dogs, I like dogs. Kristian Bush (54:06):You all are cat people? Cubby (54:07):I like dogs, but cats are easier to take care of and I've just become a cat guy and Barnes and I both foster cats and yeah, I mean, that's our angle Barnes. Barnes (54:17):Well Kristian, this was such a treat. Leslie (54:18):Kristian, we need to see you in person next time. Kristian Bush (54:21):Yes, I want to do that actually and get near everybody again. Cubby (54:26):Also, all the money you've made, maybe better WiFi? I mean I love you dude, but. Barnes (54:30):Yeah, we had to go on the phone because Kristian's in a cabin in the woods somewhere and he was about on a five second delay so the stories would have been nowhere near as funny. Kristian Bush (54:41):Our comedic timing has to work on the phone or otherwise we're not really that great. Barnes (54:45):This looks like what they call hostage video. Right now it looks like you've got a wooden wall behind you, you're hunched down in a little shadowy corner. Cubby (54:54):Holding up a newspaper. Leslie (54:56):He's secluded somewhere. Cubby (54:56):Holding up a newspaper. Kristian Bush (54:58):Yeah, exactly. Barnes (54:58):So funny. Well, thank you for coming on, we'll look forward to talking to Taylor Swift once you set that up for us. Kristian Bush (55:05):I love it and I love you guys are doing this, keep doing it. Barnes (55:07):We'll do it. Leslie (55:08):We miss you, we miss you, we can't wait to see you again Kristian. Cubby (55:10):And keep up all the success man, we love you dude. Barnes (55:13):See you soon. Kristian Bush (55:14):Thank you, I love you too. Barnes (55:15):Bye-bye. Leslie (55:15):Bye. Speaker 8 (55:20):This is Cubby's Pop Culture Throwback, a rewind into the vault of music, movies and moments. Cubby (55:27):All right guys, this week we're going back to August 17th 1988, the week of August 17th 1988. Leslie (55:33):Whoa, '88. Cubby (55:36):The number one song on the Billboard Hot 100 this week on the pop charts in '88 was a song you know and love (singing). Leslie (55:45):Oh yeah. Cubby (55:48):A little Steve Winwood and Roll With It. This song, Leslie, Barnes, I'm sure you remember, I think it was number one for just forever on all the radio station playlists out there, it was huge. Leslie (55:58):I always loved his voice. Cubby (55:59):Me too. Barnes (56:00):My roommate smoked a bunch of pot to that. Cubby (56:02):Really? Barnes (56:02):Yeah. Cubby (56:03):I remember big Winwood fan. Barnes (56:05):I'm not a pot smoker, but he was, so everything I owned smelled like weed and all I know is he played Steve Winwood all the time. Leslie (56:11):That's such a weird recollection. Barnes (56:13):Because Steve Winwood makes me think of pot. Leslie (56:14):I guess. Cubby (56:15):Right. The number one song on the modern rock chart this week and this is a fun fact. Leslie (56:20):'88. Cubby (56:21):This was the first week of the modern rock chart, August 17th 1988, they said let's do a modern rock chart. It was Siouxsie And The Banshees with Peek-A-Boo (singing). Of course, I'm a fan, remember playing them, guys? Remember Kiss Them For Me from Siouxsie And The Banshees? Leslie (56:42):Yes. Barnes (56:42):Yes. Cubby (56:42):That was a great song. The number one song on the country charts this week in 1988 was Restless Heart and Bluest Eyes in Texas (singing). Leslie (56:53):Nice. Cubby (57:09):Now, do you know that song? Barnes (57:10):Never heard it. Leslie (57:11):I do. Barnes (57:12):And I'm from Texas. Cubby (57:13):I've never heard it either. You know one thing I noticed about the country charts and maybe you can let me know if this still happens, I don't follow it as closely, but in 1988 there was a new number one every week almost. It was very rarely would a song be number one for multiple weeks. Leslie (57:27):It's actually happening again this whole year, it's the same exact thing. Cubby (57:31):I love it. On the R&B charts, the number one song, believe it or not, was Rick James. I thought he was in the late '80s done, but he had a number one song called Loosey's Rap (singing). Barnes (57:43):What? Cubby (57:54):It's so '80s, right? Barnes (57:55):That was number one? Cubby (57:58):On the R&B charts. Barnes (57:59):Oh, okay. Cubby (57:59):Yeah, it never crossed over. Barnes (58:01):Fram, you know what R&B stands for? Leslie (58:02):Rhythm and blues. Barnes (58:03):All right, just checking. Cubby (58:04):Yeah, the number one movie this week in 1988, we talked about all the reboots going on, well, it was happening in '88 too. It was Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master. Here's a clip of the trailer. Speaker 9 (58:18):Get ready. This August, your wildest dreams will come true. Speaker 10 (58:26):How sweet, fresh meat. Speaker 9 (58:29):A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 4: The Dream Master. Cubby (58:35):They really milked that franchise. Barnes (58:36):They made a ton of money. Leslie (58:37):How many did they have? I'm looking it up. Cubby (58:39):I think it's five. Barnes (58:41):Five or six, five maybe? Cubby (58:43):And finally, the number one TV show this week in 1988, let me know if you know the theme, I think you'll get it. You don't know it? Barnes (58:59):Crickets. No. Leslie (59:00):I have no idea, seriously. Cubby (59:01):Roseanne. Leslie (59:01):That was Roseanne? Cubby (59:04):That was Roseanne theme, yeah. So there you go, This Week in Pop Culture 1988. Barnes (59:10):Thank you for listening to the Pop Culture Show, please rate, review and subscribe. Don't forget, next week, Dr. Oz. Not Ozzy. Leslie (59:18):Say that again. Barnes (59:19):Dr. Oz. Leslie (59:21):Wow. Barnes (59:22):No, I mean, I was just going to give them a little drama. We're going to get all coronavirus next week, I'm sure. I can't wait to get his takes on stuff, that'll be next week. Have a great week, we'll see you.  
Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.Speaker 1 (00:00):Welcome to The Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie and Cubby. Barnes (00:03):The Pop Culture Show is back. I'm Barnes. That's Leslie. That's Cubby. Please rate, review and subscribe and thank you for hanging with us. There's a lot going on including a couple of guests coming up. Kristian Bush from Sugarland will be on with us next week. Leslie (00:19):Our old buddy Kristian Bush. Barnes (00:21):You can listen to us on the iHeartRadio app and now we've been added to Pandora. So if Pandora is your jam. Where else can we get picked up Cubby? Cubby (00:30):Buicks. You can hear us now from Buicks now. Barnes (00:32):Yeah, they added that from Tesla. Tesla [crosstalk 00:00:35]. Cubby (00:34):Tesla, of course. I love my Tesla. I don't have one but I love my Tesla. Barnes (00:39):How was your week? Cubby (00:41):Well, we had that tropical storm, Isaias. Leslie (00:43):That's right. Barnes (00:45):Did they do that as a job to weathercasters? No one can say the name. Cubby (00:48):It took me forever to say it and I'm probably still saying it wrong. We got hit pretty hard here. It was only like a five hour travel storm, like it flew in flew out, but lost power for 24 hours, which is nothing compared to other friends of mine who are still without power. Barnes (01:03):And with a baby. Cubby (01:04):With a baby. Had a friend of mine come over and bring a generator which helped us out a little bit. You could plug in a few lamps and stuff like that and a portable air conditioning but it was a heck of a week. A tree fell, almost hit our house where the baby was sleeping. Barely missed it. So we were very fortunate but you know what, despite all that, guys- Barnes (01:26):Did your Jägermeister machine go down? Cubby (01:27):It went down for a whole day but despite all that, I think I locked in a guest for today's show. Leslie (01:33):What? Cubby (01:34):I made some calls. I was on the internet, shot a few emails, and even a day without power didn't stop me from, I'm fairly certain booking somebody here today. Barnes (01:47):Who? Tell us. Cubby (01:49):I'd be crazy to tell you now. Barnes (01:52):You're playing games now with us. We have to listen to find out who it is. Cubby (01:54):I can assure you- Barnes (01:56):I can't leave early. Cubby (01:58):I can assure you this person is going to chime in and plug into our podcast in the next few minutes. Barnes (02:05):We're going to know who it is? Cubby (02:06):You should. Grammy winner, I know that. Leslie (02:08):What a tease. Barnes (02:10):Did we play them on alternative radio? Cubby (02:12):Oh, absolutely. You guys probably know this person you probably interviewed and hung out with this person as much as I have. Barnes (02:19):Actor also, or just a singer? Cubby (02:22):No, maybe done some acting but- Barnes (02:25):I don't like to be teased like this. Cubby (02:26):Was part of a movie in a weird roundabout way. So there's a little tease for you. Leslie (02:31):He or she? Cubby (02:32):She. Leslie (02:33):Oh, it's a she? Barnes (02:35):What if we were to end the show right now? It would just be over. Thanks for listening to The Pop Culture Show. So where's your guest Cubby- Cubby (02:42):Not until she chimes. I'm not feeling confident until we hear that, and she plugs into the podcast here. Barnes (02:49):What? We're just going to sit and wait and something's going to happen? Is it like on Zoom when people just pop in. Leslie (02:54):I think that's what's going to happen. Cubby (02:57):Yeah, it's like that, like a surprise drop in. Barnes (02:58):That was a crazy week. I would not take yours for anything. Mine was pretty low key I did guest host a podcast. Our friend Damona Hoffman, who has a very successful dating podcast. She was on our second, I think episode ever when we started this thing back in April. Leslie (03:13):Wait a minute. Why were you on a dating podcast? Barnes (03:14):I guest hosted. She does this segment called Headlines and she wanted some pop culture input, and so who did she come to? The Pop Culture Show. Cubby (03:21):Did you plug our show? Barnes (03:23):Cubby, how long have you known me? Cubby (03:25):30 years. Leslie (03:25):He's the plug meister. Barnes (03:27):Did I plug our show? Cubby (03:28):I'm Ygritte meister, you're plug meister. Barnes (03:31):So yeah, that episode drops today, same day as ours. It's called Dates and Mates. It's a very successful show. I've probably ruined it, but it's out today. My part of it is somewhere in there. She does headlines in the segment or as a segment. Leslie (03:47):Does she help people get dates and mates? Barnes (03:49):She's very good. She's in the LA Times. She writes for like, what's the Washington big newspaper, I think- Leslie (03:55):Washington Post? Barnes (03:57):That may be it. Yep. She does all of these newspapers and she hosted a dating show on, I want to say Lifetime or one of those networks. She's always in the mix. She's very cool. Damona Hoffman and that show is called Dates and Mates. So listen. Fram, how was your week? Leslie (04:12):Damn, my week pales in comparison. Cubby is without power, sitting in the dark. You're over there on podcasts. I'm just over here growing watermelons. Cubby (04:21):That actually is really cool. I saw that on your Instagram and that looks really neat. Barnes (04:26):You posted a lot about this watermelon and the one thing I can think of, it takes how many days to grow watermelon? Leslie (04:34):I don't know. All I can tell you is that I go out there and water it. My husband does most of the work- Barnes (04:39):You do know. He just told you. I heard him tell 60 days. I was teeing you up, and what was my comment when you said that? Leslie (04:46):I didn't hear your comment. Barnes (04:47):I said I would just go to Publix. Because that's too much attachment to a watermelon, for 60 days and then you just eat it like that and it's gone. Cubby (04:56):Do you water them? Leslie (04:57):You do think it was cool how it went from a tiny little seed to- Barnes (05:00):Of course, but then you eat it and then it's gone. Leslie (05:02):I know but you grow yourself in your own garden. It's magical. Cubby (05:05):Do you water it with your [quify 00:05:06]? Barnes (05:06):QuiFit. Cubby (05:08):Oh, QuiFit. I'm sorry. Barnes (05:09):There's still people talking about that. Leslie (05:12):I need money from that company because I think I sold about 30 of those things. Barnes (05:15):It's French, right? They're saying we. Leslie (05:17):It's we fit. Barnes (05:19):Right, but only you would take the little tilde accent thing and make it a Q for QuiFit. Cubby (05:26):I just want to take two seconds to shout out to people. Yes, only two but hopefully more. A girl named Jody who is our account executive at iHeartRadio, listens every week and so does Wendy Wilde. She's our midday DJ at KTU, the station I used to be at. She listens all the time. I just want to shout out to you people real quick because they comment every week on our show and we really appreciate it. Leslie (05:49):That's really nice. Cubby (05:50):Spread the word guys and Jodi, Wendy we love you and let's get some more people tuning into The Pop Culture Show. Barnes (05:56):Before we get to celebrity sleaze, I thought it would be fun to do around of tell me a story where you have to tell something about one of the other co hosts. So you have something that is stuck in your mind about one of the other two. That just when you say someone's name, a story is kind of implanted in your head, friends of yours. For some reason your mind goes back to that story. I have two quick ones and I actually have one about both of you. Cubby, I always think of the time you won, what was it? $40,000 in a slot machine? Cubby (06:32):Yes, it was $38,500 on a slot machine. Barnes (06:36):How much did you put in? Cubby (06:37):100 bucks. Barnes (06:38):Three times or just 100? Cubby (06:40):No, I went to, I take that back. It was about $300 into a $100 machine because I've had some success on $100 slot machines. Your money will go like that if you're not winning, but you can also score big. One cherry on $100 machine could be like $3,000. Barnes (07:01):Dude gets off of work, goes right to Atlantic City, calls me from the car, is like, dude, I just won $38,000. I'm like, what? Cubby (07:08):Leslie, I was feeling it. It was really weird. I was at work. I'm about two hours from Atlantic City, you probably remember from working up here is not far at all and it kind of hit me. I'm like, you know what, I'm going to go down to Atlantic City. It's Tuesday afternoon, nobody will be there. I jumped in the car, went down there and I had $500, I had five $100 bills, and I said, I'm just going to put them all in the $100 machine and whatever happens, happens, and $300 in the thing went cherry, cherry and then like, jackpot. I knew it was big, but I wasn't sure. Barnes (07:41):At that point, when you win that much money, what happens? Do people emerge from a secret room and come get you? Cubby (07:46):It was ringing and then I thought I want $3,800 at first because I was like, what's happening here and then this old lady walks by and she goes, oh, honey, you did good. Then another person came up to me and then a little bit circle started. I said, I think it's like 3,800 and they go, no, it's 38,000. Leslie (08:06):$38,000. Are you the type of person that will walk away at that point? Because a lot of people, as you know, go the other way, and they lose it all. Cubby (08:14):I walk away when I'm up 400. I was not expecting this and then they're like, we can convert this to a check if you want or we can just give you cash. Barnes (08:23):Like right there, they do it? Cubby (08:24):Right there. Everything happens right there. Barnes (08:27):Wow, they take the tax out. Cubby (08:30):They mail you the, what is it? The W-2 or the 10- Barnes (08:32):Yeah. Cubby (08:34):They mail you that later in the year. So during tax time, and then you report it and all that. Barnes (08:39):So that sticks in my mind. What'd you do with the money? Cubby (08:42):You know what I did? I didn't go to an ATM machine for like years, because- Barnes (08:45):You kept it as slash mind. Cubby (08:47):I took the cash and they wrapped it in an envelope for me and a guy walked me out and I didn't put it in the bank. I know that sounds stupid. I'd literally just lived off it for like 10 years. Leslie (08:58):Bank robbers do that too. Barnes (09:02):You see why it's stuck in my head? Cubby (09:04):That's amazing. I love that story. Leslie (09:06):I didn't know that story. That's incredible. Barnes (09:07):My Leslie story is from New York. Also, one time when we were there, every year we did our show for a year there for MTV, and we were in the Empire State Building up on the deck. She turns to me and says, "Are we in the eyes?" Leslie (09:21):My husband loves this story. Barnes (09:24):I was like, "Fran, this is not the Statue of Liberty. It's the Empire State Building." Leslie (09:30):I was so innocent, you know. Cubby (09:33):This is why people love Leslie though. She's real, she's innocent, she's- Barnes (09:37):It just stays in my mind for some reason. When Fram's name comes up on my phone, I go right to, are we in the eyes? Leslie (09:45):That's staying in the Fram Hall of Fame, I might add. Barnes (09:48):QuiFit. Cubby (09:50):QuiFit. How can we top last week after the beginning of last week? Oh my God. Leslie (09:56):There's so many Barnes' stories, Cubby as you know. The fact that he doesn't like Stoli anymore, it's like because that was number one for him. Anyways, I digress. When we did a morning show together, we all had our top five list. Our fantasy top five Cubby. I think Brad Pitt was always number one on mine, but Barnes had a type as you can imagine. Barnes had a type, like Reese Witherspoon was always in his top five. Who else was in? Barnes (10:22):Number one forever. Leslie (10:24):Forever was Reese. Who else was in your, do you remember- Barnes (10:26):Jennifer Aniston. Leslie (10:27):Yep, yep. Barnes (10:30):They were the staples. Then the bottom three kind of rotated. Leslie (10:34):They rotated [crosstalk 00:10:35]. Barnes (10:35):Where's this going Fram? Leslie (10:39):Cubby, you remember the singer Dido? Cubby (10:42):Of course. Leslie (10:44):When Dido first came out at the radio station, the record rep brought her in. We did an interview on the morning show where we played her new song and she was lovely person. Really nice. So anyway, they leave the control room and Barnes immediately declares on the air that there's a change in his top five list. There's like an immediate change in the top five list. Barnes (11:05):I remember this- Leslie (11:05):Dido's going right to the top. Little did he know that Dido was in the hallway listening to this whole thing, because there's like speakers in the hallway, playing the morning show. They come back into the control room after they heard this whole thing. I think actually, she was probably delighted about it and she thought it was really cool. So she came back in, it was revealed that all of a sudden Dido is number one on Barnes' top five and then we all had dinner that night. It was a beautiful relationship. Barnes (11:35):It was the strangest thing. She was not known then. This was pre Eminem and all that stuff she did. Cubby (11:42):You kept in touch with her, right? I remember you- Barnes (11:43):For years. I haven't spoken with her in a long time, she's lovely. Such a cool girl. She would come to Atlanta all the time and we'd go out. We'd go to dinner. We'd go to Food 101 on Roswell road, we went to Prime at Linux. I remember that night. That was like a three hour dinner. It's not like all of a sudden Dido was my girlfriend all of a sudden. She wasn't, but it was just the weirdest thing. It's like high school, they left the room and I'm like, oh, they're not listening. Immediately, she's number one. Number one. Who's Reese Witherspoon. Cubby (12:10):Speaking of women, see my memory of Barnes, I guess it's more of a question. Barnes (12:16):I feel like I'm being attacked. Cubby (12:17):No, it's more of a question than it is a story but when I first met you, it was July, of 1991 when I first met you. Were you hitting on my date? That's my question I've always wanted to ask, because- Barnes (12:31):Who was your date? Cubby (12:32):I don't think you were hitting on her but you talked about how pretty she was. Barnes (12:37):Who was she? Cubby (12:38):I don't remember. I think her name was Alison and we dated for a year- Barnes (12:41):Well, maybe I was giving you credit. I don't recall hitting on her. Well, I wouldn't hit on your- Leslie (12:44):Wait, did she look like Dido? Cubby (12:45):No, she actually was brunette. So maybe not- Barnes (12:48):Well then there's your answer. There's no way. Leslie (12:50):He was always into blondes back then. Barnes (12:52):My top five was like, yeah. Cubby (12:54):Always blonde? Barnes (12:55):Always. Cubby (12:56):Okay, so maybe you weren't but I definitely think that it helped because I know how you appreciate a fine looking lady and we got to talking and you were like, hey, who's this fine, young thing? I don't think you said that but- Barnes (13:09):You make me sound like grandpa. I was 22 years old at the time. That's funny. That's what sticks in your head? That's your story? Leslie (13:17):That's hysterical. Barnes (13:18):For all these years? For 30 years? You've been thinking I was trying to pick up your 18 year old girlfriend? Cubby (13:25):She wasn't 18, she was like our age. Barnes (13:27):You were 19. Cubby (13:29):In '91, I was I just turned 20. Barnes (13:31):Okay. I'm sorry. You just turned 20. That's hysterical. Cubby (13:35):I have other stories of you. I have like, you and I did a bet together when I was working in Houston. and you were working in Kansas City and radio DJs we do these wacky things. Hey, if my team wins, I'll do this or you do that. We had a bet where the Oilers were playing the Kansas City Chiefs in the playoffs and if the Oilers won, you had to pump gas for your listeners. I can't remember what would happen if the Chiefs had won because I didn't have to worry about that. You lost and you had to pump gas and we got a lot of traction on, I believe in all the industry trade magazines on that. Barnes (14:11):I think the gas is probably because the Oilers, I'm assuming. Cubby (14:13):Well yeah, I get that. I can't remember what mine was going to be but that was our early radio days. Barnes (14:18):I had to pump gas for like three hours. Cubby (14:20):You did. I remember that. I remember that. Barnes (14:23):That was the worst. Cubby (14:24):It was your idea, too. Barnes (14:25):All right, thanks for reminding me of all these great stories. Good to know that you're still freaking out about your date. I love that. Leslie (14:32):Unbelievable. Barnes (14:32):Glad I hold that power over you, Cubby. All of these years. Cubby (14:35):Finally after 30 years, it feels great to get this off my chest, man. Barnes (14:38):All right. Leslie (14:39):I was getting ready to say pent up- Barnes (14:41):Yeah, something. Leslie (14:43):Are we ready for celebrity sleeve? You're ready to dive in guys? Cubby (14:46):Let's do this. Leslie (14:48):The Ellen DeGeneres saga continues. First of all, did you see that rumor that James Corden could be acting over her show? Barnes (14:55):What a perfect person to take it. Leslie (14:58):That's what the, "insiders" are saying. I think he'd be great. Barnes (15:01):He's probably the one driving the rumors now the most. Yeah, it's all true. It's all true, mate. Leslie (15:06):Her wife spoke up, Portia de Rossi is speaking up and her statement was like, to all the fans, we see you, thank you for your support. Then her brother, her brothers now coming out saying, okay, I need to say something. My sister is being viciously attacked and let me assure you, it is all BS. Barnes (15:25):I'm hearing the opposite. Leslie (15:26):Now I don't know if she's calling or the producers are calling these celebrities. Because you see a bunch of celebrities came out this week in her defense. Cubby (15:34):Katy Perry, I believe is one of them. Leslie (15:37):Katy Perry was one of them. Barnes (15:38):Kevin Hart and he got fried for it. Leslie (15:40):Now Ellen is, people are saying that Ellen is now going to quietly back up from her show because she feels "betrayed." Barnes (15:49):Quietly, with her how many millions of dollars? Leslie (15:52):She thinks she's a target and look, where there's smoke, there's fire. There's so many of these stories, and they just keep coming out. So let's see what happens. Cubby (16:00):There was like a kid I think not a kid, but they were like 11 years old. Barnes (16:05):He's like a VP of a marketing agency in New Orleans. I saw that. Cubby (16:08):Oh, it's a guy, right? Barnes (16:09):Yeah, it's a guy. Cubby (16:10):Okay. Yeah. Leslie (16:11):Well, I love it when two beautiful people get together and I will tell you social media was going crazy over this story. At the beach together, Bradley Cooper and Jennifer Garner. People want Jen to be in love after Ben Affleck had an affair with the nanny. People want her to be happy. You can't blame her. Barnes (16:29):Hey, Cubby? Cubby (16:30):Yeah. Barnes (16:31):Last time I was in LA at breakfast. Cubby (16:33):Who'd you run into? Where are we going? Barnes (16:34):I was sitting in my car, making a call and I heard this really thumping G Wagon, G Wagon, G Wagon come up and it parked right next to me like almost to the point where I couldn't open my door. Bradley Cooper. Leslie (16:45):Wow. Cubby (16:46):Were people confused on who was who with you next to him? Barnes (16:49):It was so confusing. It was two days after he won his Oscar and not one pap sign which was shocking. He went to this place, Heather, what's the name of the place where all the shops and- Heather (17:01):Farm Stands. Barnes (17:01):The Farm Stands in Brentwood. There's a great breakfast place in there. You used to be able to see people there all the time and Jennifer Garner was one of them that live in that kind of Brentwood heavy estate big huge, like $20 million house area. He popped up with his really tacky- Leslie (17:19):Shorts? Barnes (17:20):No, like the warm ups and a messy shirt like just out of bed and not one person was out there and there's usually paparazzi all around that place. Cubby (17:29):Was he by himself? Barnes (17:31):No, because then I walked in with him. Yeah, but he was by himself. Leslie (17:36):Barnes was hoping for like a buddy cop movie of he and Bradley Cooper. Barnes (17:39):That was my moment. Where are the pap when you need them? He was on the on a phone call when he pulled up and you know when it's really loud in your car and people pull up at a light and you can hear everything going on? Cubby (17:49):Yeah, it sounds like the Charlie Brown teacher. Barnes (17:51):Yeah. So he pulled up and his windows were down and he was blasting somebody, some guy, probably his agent or something. It was really random. Leslie (17:58):Remember the rumors of Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga when they filmed the movie together and people were like, ah. I don't know, but anyway- Barnes (18:05):By the way, I took a picture. Leslie (18:06):You did? Send it to us. Barnes (18:07):I put my iPhone up to my ear like I was on the phone and I just hit the volume knob. Snap, snap, snap. Leslie (18:13):Unbelievable. That's a sneaky move. Barnes (18:15):He was right there. Leslie (18:17):We got two Simons in the news, Simon Cowell, who had a wreck on his motorized bike over the weekend. People are saying he broke his back and has to have surgery. Barnes (18:27):First that came out and said he just had a minor injury and then all of a sudden he had a broken back. Leslie (18:31):I know. I don't know if he had a broken back or what but I've heard conflicting stories. Barnes (18:35):You know when you have a broken back, right? I don't know if there was like a question. They had to determine it. Leslie (18:40):Then there's Simon Fuller, the guy who owns the Idol franchise. Have you heard this? Barnes (18:45):No. Leslie (18:46):He wants to have the first of its kind show about forming a supergroup from TikTok. Cubby (18:54):My gosh. Leslie (18:55):Here we go. Cubby (18:57):It'll probably work though. I got to be honest with you, it'll probably work. Leslie (19:00):We do have a story about TikTok later and somebody who just broke off TikTok. So because Hollywood is out of ideas, we have reboots. We have all these different franchise installments and here we go, and revivals. Have you heard about A League of Their Own, a reboot coming to Amazon? Barnes (19:18):The movie? Leslie (19:19):Yep, a TV reboot of A League of Their Own is coming to Amazon based on the movie. That's one. Cubby (19:25):Not much original stuff much. Leslie (19:27):Here's another reboot, although I'm very happy about this reboot. Chip and Joanna Gaines are rebooting Fixer Upper because they own a network now. They have their own network. It hasn't launched yet. It's called Magnolia. So they're going to reboot that and it'll be huge because, like me, there are a lot of people that would just watch hours of Fixer Upper. Barnes (19:46):Those two kill it. They kill it. Leslie (19:49):Nev Campbell, reportedly signed on for Scream 5. Barnes (19:54):Where has she been? Leslie (19:54):I didn't know there was a Scream 3- Cubby (19:57):Or 4. Barnes (19:57):Where has she been? Leslie (19:57):Remember, our buddy David Arquette's going to be in it too. I don't know where Nev's been. Here's another reboot, or revival, Who's The Boss? Barnes (20:08):Man, Hollywood is out of ideas. Leslie (20:11):With the original stars by the way. Tony Danza, Alyssa Milano returning to reprise their roles. Barnes (20:19):30 years later? Leslie (20:20):Yeah, 30 years later, with Milano's Samantha now all grown up and a single mom. She's living in the same house as the original series. Barnes (20:28):Let's bring back Gilligan's Island. Leslie (20:31):We should. Modern day. Barnes (20:32):Where's Love Boat? They tried that again. Fantasy Island. Cubby (20:35):Yeah, don't get me going man. The Jeffersons, Good Times. I loved all the 70s and 80s and 90s shows. Leslie (20:40):Love Island, season two in Las Vegas. It's coming out, August 24. Barnes (20:46):How are they going to pull that? Their advertising during Big Brother which started this week. Leslie (20:49):What is Love Island about? Barnes (20:51):It's the typical, it's just a slight twist of every other dating show but they bring the beautiful people with a bad attitude. They all want to be social influencers. I think the elders get booked on this show so they can try to get a blue check and be an influencer. Cubby (21:03):Were you satisfied with your Big Brother first episode of the season? Barnes (21:07):I was very disappointed. They announced it was Big Brother all stars and all stars is a stretch. Don't get me wrong. I'm going to watch every minute of it still, but they had people that were booted on their season night one. How do you call them an all star? They didn't have any of the banner names like Mike Boogie or Dr. Will, any of those people that were big personalities on the show. Leslie (21:28):What a disappointment. Cubby (21:29):No Mike Boogie? Barnes (21:30):No. None of my came back. It's all like B level, C level Big Brother players. Multiple. Cubby (21:36):Leslie and I have no idea what you're talking about. Barnes (21:38):Come on. Mike Boogie. Everyone knows Mike Boogie. Cubby (21:41):You know Mike Boogie? Leslie (21:41):I have no idea who Mike Boogie is. I like the name though. Hey, by the way Lizzo, I don't know if you're a fan. I'm a fan. She has just inked her first TV deal with Amazon Studios. Barnes (21:50):Who? Leslie (21:52):Lizzo. Barnes (21:52):Oh, yeah, she's talented. Leslie (21:54):Ariana Grande is dropping another fragrance called R.E.M. I was like, wait a second. That's one of my favorite bands, R.E.M. What? What? Barnes (22:03):That's so confusing and so lawsuit worthy from the most non commercial band on the planet, REM. I have to think that they're already, I mean it's R.E.M. Leslie (22:13):Wait a second, Cubby, you're in the pop world. Did she have a song called R.E.M? Like, what is this based off of? Cubby (22:19):Not that I know of. There was never called REM. Maybe it was an album track but no, I don't know where that's coming from either. Did you guys ever buy a fragrance though from a celebrity? Barnes (22:28):I wear J.Lo all the time. No, of course not. Cubby (22:33):I thought maybe she had male fragrance. I wasn't sure- Leslie (22:36):One time we interviewed Kiss and they gave us some and I threw it away. Barnes (22:43):You don't want to smell like Paul Stanley? Cubby (22:44):There was a Kiss interview- Barnes (22:46):It smells like Michael Stipe that would make it really strange. Cubby (22:50):It's the end of the world as we know it, man. Leslie (22:52):This is shocking. E! News has been canceled after three decades. Barnes (22:57):That's pretty wild. Leslie (22:58):Streamlining their programming and restructuring, "to internally create more efficiencies." That's what NBC Universal said. Well, listen, The Pop Culture Show could take their place. We're right here, people. E! we're right here. Finally, this was actually kind of funny. We all know that Gordon Ramsay has a bit of a temper, so to speak, but now he's critiquing people's meals on TikTok. Barnes (23:22):That's the perfect thing for him. That's his shtick though. That's his whole thing. Have you seen it? Leslie (23:28):Have you seen it, Cubby? Cubby (23:28):I have not. Barnes (23:31):People do these little cooking demonstrations on TikTok. They're little quick, how to do whatever. Here's one of them. It's real quick and he splits and rips on them. (singing). Barnes (24:01):So he gets millions of views for that. Leslie (24:03):Did he just say you don't know how crap you are? Barnes (24:05):Yeah. He pretty much says the same thing in every one of the thesis. Cubby (24:11):Is there a series of these? Barnes (24:12):Yeah, just on his page. Cubby (24:13):Right. Okay, that's funny. Leslie (24:15):Ah, that's your celebrity news for this week. Barnes (24:17):Who's the artist that broke this week, this song is hysterical on TikTok. Leslie (24:22):Well, first of all, she's gotten millions of views on TikTok. Her name is Priscilla Block, but she released this country song and this I think is the first time this has ever happened. Cubby, I don't know if you've ever heard of this or not but her song went number one on iTunes After debuting it on TikTok. I mean, that's incredible. Barnes (24:41):Check this song out. I have to give her credit. The plan to get this out there was brilliantly executed and she works it and it's a step above a karaoke song. Leslie (24:52):It's like a country song. Barnes (24:54):It's got funny lyrics. So here's what it sounds like. Barnes (24:56):(singing). Barnes (24:56):It's two turntables and a reverb. Barnes (25:09):(singing). Barnes (25:14):She took like the, how to make a country song 101 post and put this together. Cubby (25:19):It really is simple. Barnes (25:20):Yeah. Barnes (25:21):(singing). Cubby (25:21):I feel like we're at a county fair. Barnes (25:26):Yeah. Barnes (25:27):(singing). Barnes (25:31):Let me get to the hook. Here's the hook. Listen to this. Barnes (25:54):(singing). Barnes (25:55):If you don't like these love handles, you can find me at McDonald's and trust me, you'll be loving it. Leslie (26:01):That's not the song that went to number one. Barnes (26:04):I thought that was it. Thick Thighs. Leslie (26:06):No, that's one of the funny songs. The song that went to number one was this heartbreak song called, Just About Over You, which is more of a serious country song, but that's one of our funny songs. Cubby (26:17):If that was number one, that would kind of freak me out a little bit. Leslie (26:20):No, she has a new song called Thick Thighs but the one that went to number one is called- Barnes (26:23):That's Thick Thighs. Leslie (26:24):That's Thick Thighs. The one that went to number one is called. Just About Over You, Priscilla Block. Barnes (26:29):Have you seen the new Reels' feature competing now with TikTok's? You got Microsoft trying to buy TikTok, you got Trump trying to end TikTok, you got Instagram trying to exploit TikTok and they come out with Reels. Leslie (26:41):I did. I have seen a few of those with celebrities and stuff. They're okay. Barnes (26:45):If you really want to get the review and I wanted to hold off and find out, can you grab the review team? Leslie (26:51):We have a review team for Reels? Barnes (26:53):Would you mind grabbing them? Yes, we have 15 year olds available for a quick review of the new Reels features on TikTok that would be Mallory Barnes and her friend, I don't want to out her friend. She can say her name if she wants to be outed on- Leslie (27:06):Oh, get your daughter on the show. That's great. Barnes (27:08):Yeah, come on in review team. Here they come. Cubby (27:10):So the to me, Reels is a backup for me. I'm still a TikTok guy. I love TikTok and I haven't checked out Reels yet because I'm like, I'll go to that when I really need to. Right now, TikTok is still up and running. Barnes (27:20):Okay. They can't hear you but say hello, Mallory Barnes. mallory (27:23):Hello. Eva (27:24):Hi, I'm Eva Russell. Barnes (27:26):So we have two experts here on TikToking and on the new Instagram Reels. What are your thoughts, one at a time? We'll start with you. What's your thoughts on the new Instagram Reels? Eva (27:37):I think it needs to be developed a little bit more honestly. The features that they have don't really compare to the features TikTok has, but I think they probably could develop it enough to get to the same level, maybe. Barnes (27:51):All right, Mallory Barnes. What do you think? mallory (27:53):I don't really like it. Barnes (27:55):You told me yesterday it sucked. mallory (27:57):Yeah, I think that. Barnes (27:59):Why? Why does it suck? mallory (28:00):Because they're just trying to make it like TikTok and I don't think you can make it like TikTok. I don't know. Barnes (28:07):Who's the hottest thing to listen to right now out there. mallory (28:09):Taylor Swift. Barnes (28:11):Taylor Swift. What about you? Eva (28:13):Yeah, Taylor Swift is good. Yeah. Leslie (28:15):Those are really good reviews about Reels. So basically it needs development. Barnes (28:19):Go to your audience, people if you want a review. Thank you review team. Leslie (28:22):Thank you very much. Cubby (28:23):Thank you, ladies. Barnes (28:24):All right, go back to sleep. Leslie (28:25):You know what's sad, it reminds me of whatever happened to Vine. Barnes (28:29):That was only here for 10 minutes. Cubby (28:31):So when Vine went away, I was bummed out and TikTok came back around but it goes to show guys, it's all about first in the category. TikTok is ruling this category. It's going to be hard to break them. All right guys, are you ready for my feature that could have a Grammy Award winning guest? Barnes (28:47):I already forgot. We got so busy on the show. I forgot you teased a guest and again didn't come through because I see nothing. Cubby (28:54):Play my intro please. Barnes (28:55):Okay, get magical. Speaker 1 (29:00):This is Cubby's pop culture throwback, a rewind into the vault of music, movies and moments. Barnes (29:06):By the way, who do you know that you get special intros for segments? There's no celebrity sleaze intro. Leslie (29:13):I know, I'm feeling a little neglected. Cubby (29:14):I'm surprised Fram hadn't bitched about that. Fram, do you want your own intro for your sleaze? Leslie (29:19):I'm not a bitcher. Barnes (29:21):There's your quote of the week. I'm not a bitcher. Cubby (29:24):This week we're looking back at what was popping in 1994. Movies, TVs and music. Barnes, Leslie, where were you guys in 1994? Do you remember. Barnes (29:33):I was sitting right across and Leslie Fram at 99X. Leslie (29:35):99X. Cubby (29:35):There you go. So at the box office, this week in 1994 it was all about this movie. Speaker 8 (29:43):How dare you come into this office and bark at me like some little junkyard dog? I am the President of the United States! Speaker 9 (29:49):How dare you sir! Speaker 10 (29:51):Paramount Pictures presents, this summer's most electrifying motion picture. Clear and Present Danger. Cubby (30:00):Harrison Ford and William Defoe ruling the box office. Leslie (30:02):That whole series, so good. Cubby (30:04):On TV, this week in 1994. Of course, we were still watching Seinfeld. Whenever you bring up a 90s pop culture it's Seinfeld, but we were also watching another big show. Do you know this TV theme? Cubby (30:21):(singing) Cubby (30:21):Anybody? Barnes (30:23):No. Cubby (30:23):That would be ER. ER ladies, gentlemen. That show ruled. Barnes (30:28):I didn't watch that show. I mean, I watched it, but I didn't watch it constantly. Cubby (30:32):I was the same way. I wasn't loyal but I watched it- Leslie (30:34):George Clooney was on that show. Come on. Cubby (30:36):There you go. Now to music we go. We're looking back at this week in 1994. The number one song on the R&B charts. It was Janet Jackson and she had a song called Any Time, Any Place. Cubby (30:51):(singing) Cubby (30:55):This is a kind of a forgotten Janet song but it was good. Cubby (30:57):(singing). Cubby (31:03):All right guys, the number one song on the modern rock charts this week in 1994. It was a great song and you guys were probably playing it at 99X. I was in Houston playing it. It was a Counting Crows song, but one you might have forgotten about. Cubby (31:16):(singing). Leslie (31:27):Can't forget about any of those. They were all great. Cubby (31:29):Yeah, but this one is like- Barnes (31:31):It was kind of a beside. Cubby (31:32):Yeah, whenever you mention Counting Crows to somebody, they'll say Mr. Jones first and then Round Here and they forget Einstein on the Beach. Barnes (31:38):I love that. What movie was that from? It was that movie. We started playing it. We were playing it and it picked up steam and it was such an odd song because it wasn't on an album. Cubby (31:50):Also Rain King, another great tune that was kind of- Barnes (31:52):Great. August and Everything After was such an unbelievable album. Cubby (31:56):I got the last one here for you on the country charts. It was all about John Michael. Montgomery and the number one song in America back this week in 1994 was a song called Be My Baby Tonight. Cubby (32:08):(singing). Cubby (32:12):The number one song this week on the pop charts, this week in 1994 and it would stay number one for three solid weeks is the song. Cubby (32:22):(singing) Barnes (32:23):I love her. Barnes (32:25):(singing). Cubby (32:25):I'm very fond of the song Lisa Loeb, and Stay from the Reality Bites soundtrack. Such a great song. Leslie (32:32):One of my all time favorite songs. Cubby (32:34):It never went away. It was just played on the radio forever and still played today. Barnes (32:38):This is the what? What anniversary? Cubby (32:41):This would be, well let me do the math here. 1994, what is that? 26 years ago, this week that that song went to number one and that song has such a great story and the artist Lisa Loeb is probably one of my faves of all time and- Barnes (32:56):Cubby? Cubby (32:57):What? Leslie (32:57):She was so cool. Lisa Loeb. So cool. Cubby (32:59):You guys interviewed her. Barnes (33:01):All the time. She was on our show a lot. Here's the thing Cubby. You have your own branded Cubby's pop culture throwback segment and you bring all these people up and I know this person and we have this person and we have these guys. You never really do anything and have them on the show. So you don't put your money where your mouth is and that's getting kind of old. I just wish you would for once, instead of having a clip half the person. Cubby (33:25):All right, hit that button. Hit the button third from your right, Steve. Now say hello, Lisa. Lisa Loeb (33:33):Hello. Cubby (33:33):I got Lisa Loeb for you guys. Barnes (33:37):Wait a minute, but Cubby- Lisa Loeb (33:38):Hello. You say. Barnes (33:41):No, you score boarded and you got a Grammy winner. Cubby (33:44):On her anniversary of Stay being the number one song in the country. Lisa Loeb, good to have you my dear. Barnes (33:49):Hey, Lisa. Lisa Loeb (33:50):Hello. It's so good to be here. You know you, well, all of you are very important to this song, but Cubby especially because he and you guys down at KRBE, when you were there, decided to play the song on the radio and that started a big, not a tumble. That's a big word, but it started a wildfire, an avalanche, something positive that, something positive. Cubby (34:12):Because you were on you were unsigned and we heard this song and we were playing it and I remember, if I remember correctly Lisa, Skip Bishop at RCA Records called us and said, "What is this song you're playing off of our soundtrack?" Because wasn't Reality Bites on RCA soundtrack. Lisa Loeb (34:28):Yes. So I was an unsigned artist. I had licensed my song, that's very technical, to RCA. So I was an unsigned artist and it was on the Reality Bites soundtrack, which was one of the best mixtapes basically that you could be on with U2, and Crowded House and I think, now I'm like who was on there. Lenny Kravitz, I don't know. Juliana Hatfield. It really ran the gamut. A lot of different types of artists and it was so cool. The song wasn't out as a single yet and you guys decided to pick it up and play it like a single. Cubby (34:57):This was back in the day when computers were monitoring radio stations and the record company said, you're playing the song like 50 times a week. Then it was already a proven hit in Houston and then I believe it just snowballed from there for you. Barnes (35:10):Weren't you the first artist to have a number one without a record deal? Lisa Loeb (35:15):Yes, and it's really still unusual. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more now because things are so independent. Now you're able to really put your music out. I think it wasn't until Macklemore put his song out, that they went to number one and they were independent. I will say it does take a team like people like Skip Bishop, who is the head of the radio promotion over there at RCA Records. Once you guys started playing it, which was really the first big step, then the record company and Skip Bishop really helped push that along and make sure that I went to every single radio station in the United States and the world, at 6AM. Leslie (35:54):The song's still played on the radio because it's timeless, Lisa. Tell us about writing that song because you didn't really write it for Reality Bites. Lisa Loeb (36:01):No, I didn't. I wrote it in New York City. I started in New York City. After I'd graduated college, I was in an argument with my boyfriend who was also my co producer at the time. I was like writing and it's funny because usually I write things a little bit more shielded and shrouded in mystery. This was just like, we were in an argument and I started writing about it, and I wanted to write a song also, at the same time, that was what was happening with the lyrics. Lisa Loeb (36:26):With the music, I heard that Daryl Hall from Hall & Oates, was looking for songs for his solo record. So I was thinking about Hall & Oates and those old songs like Sarah Smile, those great kind of blues songs with those great licks, guitar licks. So I started writing a song to a groove, and it was, if you listen, it has a little bit of, I have a guitar. Well, I happen to have a guitar right now. You can hear it kind of this. Because it's like (singing). Lisa Loeb (36:59):You know that kind of groovy like, it's not groovy, but it's a groove. I tried to write a song for Daryl Hall and then opportunity, unfortunately, it was not actually there or went away or whatever but it sort of inspired the feeling of the song. Then I wrote this weird song that doesn't have a chorus that's kind of like a book. It's turning the page as the story is being told. So it was an unusual writing experience for me, but it was a song that I played a lot in my concerts in New York City where I was living at the time at CBGBs and Lone Star Roadhouse and The Bitter End and all these places where you play in New York. Lisa Loeb (37:34):Ethan Hawke, he was my friend, he was one of the people who said, I really like that song. I was like, oh, cool. At one point, he asked if I had a copy of it that I could give to him to give to Ben Stiller, who was directing this movie that he was in. I was like, yeah, yeah and we scrambled to make sure we could put a newly recorded version of song Stay, which we were making for demo tapes, actually, for record companies were interested in and they wanted to know if we had recordings of some of my music. Lisa Loeb (38:02):So we had put together a band version of Stay and we gave that to Ethan on a cassette tape and he passed that along to Ben Stiller. Anyway, so it was written mainly for Daryl Hall. Barnes (38:15):What does it like to be, I mean, you really flipped the funnel, because here you have a number one song, no record deal and you're just like, come talk to me, baby. Because at that time, that was big record. Now it's so different. It's totally different paradigm. Lisa Loeb (38:32):It was exciting because I was an independent artist. I'd been writing songs since I was a little kid and making recordings in high school and all through college and developing what I thought was like a nice independent music career. We were getting really great crowds at our shows. I was playing at South by Southwest and a bunch of different music, like new music seminar. There are all these things that you would do as a new musician, to meet people in the industry and to get out there and to continue to develop your fan base. Lisa Loeb (39:00):It was really cool that after going to South by Southwest for a couple years and having different young A&R people coming to the shows, all of a sudden, that summer, that song was number one, all of a sudden. The same summer that I went to South by Southwest with my band yet again and now all the bosses of the young A&R people were like, wait, wait, who's that girl you've been talking about for a couple years? Lisa Loeb (39:20):Oh, wait, she's got a number one song on the, or this song is almost number one or number one on the radio. So it was amazing to flip it around and it felt it takes a lot to kind of, when you're a young musician, and even a lot of musicians, you're just very eager. You're very excited. You're like a freshman. You're like, oh, let's do this. We can do this- Barnes (39:38):What was the craziest thing that they threw at you? Lisa Loeb (39:41):Oh, I remember being on tour when the song was on the radio, but we weren't signed to a label yet. We were playing in Long Island I think and the bigwigs from Interscope took us to their mansion and let us go in their hot tub and they flew in on a helicopter to bring us pizzas from some special place. That was exciting, but yet even our A&R person who did sign with Jim Barbaro, as a young person who is in their early 20s, and I would still probably be excited about this today, they would take you to the grocery store, and you could buy any candy you want or like candy. Lisa Loeb (40:20):Or like, I'm taking you to a bookstore, and you can buy all the books you want. I was like, ooh, this is cool. You can buy any album you want. I would walk at a tower records with just bags of albums and CDs. It was crazy. Cubby (40:34):You don't mind talking about the song today, still. I really appreciate that. You still tell the great story and you're cool with being that song like such a part of your, being the biggest part of your life. Lisa Loeb (40:46):I definitely at the beginning, it was a little bit hard to be a kid who's like 24, 25, 26 years old and having been doing music my whole life and working so hard and putting out albums and people saying, oh, you're an overnight success. You just had that one song. To me, it was like, no, I've been working on singing and playing and recording my whole life. In the video, which was so cool that Ethan directed it, it was really, and I know the record company was excited that this famous actor is directing a video, but really what was cool about it was, it was a unique idea. Lisa Loeb (41:21):A one take video where I'm talking to the camera and telling my story, but I wasn't playing my guitar. So I had to fight this thing of like, oh, you're a pop singer, because I didn't have my guitar, you didn't see my band. You didn't know that I rehearsed with the band, and I tell everybody what to do and I write the songs and I arrange them and I work with, you didn't know the whole story. So for a few years, I did feel like I was fighting like, I'm a real musician, and you don't know the whole story. Lisa Loeb (41:46):Then I realized, soon thereafter, it might have been because VH1 behind the scenes was popular, watching some of the more seasoned musicians and the situations they had been through and even talking to musicians who were popular, and seeing how they looked at their hit songs, people who I was excited about in the 80s which seems so far away, but it was like two years before that or whatever. Lisa Loeb (42:08):Hearing them talk about it made me realize like, this is cool. Yes, I like when people know I've made almost 20 albums and I love when people know different songs, but to even have that one song that connects with people is such an amazing thing. Because I play live so much and even now I'm not playing live in a venue of course, but I do a lot of Facebook lives and Instagram lives and I have a fan club and there's so much connection with the fans that cameo messages. Lisa Loeb (42:37):I get to feel and hear those stories about the song and what it means to people and that means a lot to me. I was a big music fan growing up. I was a DJ growing up. I love hearing that from the other side. So I appreciate that- Barnes (42:50):Whoa, whoa, whoa, you were a DJ? Lisa Loeb (42:53):I was a DJ in high school for three years. There was a radio station at the boys school. I went to the girls school in Dallas, and at the Boys School, St. Mark's school they let me be a DJ. I think I was the only girl. It was at 88.5 KRSM. From the songs, ad also I was like the music director but I wasn't allowed to be the program director because I wasn't at the boy school. They made me the music director. I used to bring in these big peaches crates of records, you know those big wooden crates, and I was this tiny little 15 year old. Lisa Loeb (43:24):I'm still like a tiny little something else year old, but I would bring in these huge crates of records and I would play everything you always wanted to hear, but maybe you didn't own. So it would go from Led Zeppelin to a local Dallas band to a man falling down the stairs to a new wave track or whatever I felt like playing and it was so much fun and I also DJ'd parties. I loved music so much. Lisa Loeb (43:47):I collected it, I'd met the artists, we'd interview people. So to be on the other side of that is I appreciate the whole thing. I feel like I have more perspective and yes, it's awesome when people know every new song on your new record, like the new record, I Just put out in February, but it's also awesome if people the words and have a relationship with a song that I put out 26 years ago. Cubby (44:12):Well, it's so cool that you, I mean, again, you've done so many huge things and you still don't mind talking about how it all started. I want to talk about some of the new music actually. You sent me a song that came out a few months ago. It's called This Is My Life. Now, was this a one take video by the way? It was a pretty creative video. Lisa Loeb (44:30):This is not a one take video, but we did shoot it in my house and nowadays, it's funny. Back when we started making records in the 80s and 90s, you had a couple of videos. Now you need a video for every single song on your record. So we made 11 videos for the record A Simple Trick to Happiness and one of the videos is, This Is My Life and I'm playing an enormous Jenga game. Because life is kind of like Jenga, you're carefully trying to make the moves and then it can all fall apart. Then you build it up again and you start over again. In the video, there's more than one of me. It's like inspired by Bewitched. Cubby (45:03):I want to play you a little bit of your song. Check this out. Cubby (45:14):(singing). Cubby (45:34):All hook, baby. Nothing but hook. Lisa Loeb (45:37):That chorus weirdly, I don't know if you know The Monkees very well, but it's funny because the verses to me feel very much like Spoon. I love the band Spoon and they're very like tight and chunky and it reminds me of the 60s sort of blues inspired music of the who and those bands that I love so much. Then the chorus is I really wanted it to feel like this song Randy Scouse Git. There's a song called Randy Scouse Git by The Monkees and it's just like crazy and over compressed and everything's swirling around and we just kept having to add things, add things, add things to make it as noisy as possible. Leslie (46:11):What I love about this new record is you exude positivity. You always do. So you hear a song from you and it's Lisa Loeb, but even in the song Shine that you had, it's such positivity about life. Is this album really about looking inward and saying, you know what, this is my life and I'm happy, and I'm enjoying the simple things in life? Lisa Loeb (46:30):It is. It's funny, it's like, some people listen to it and say it's very positive and other people I've heard say, oh my God, it's so depressing, but in a good way. It is that. It's like I've always looked at things and as I've gone along, I've been able to put my finger on it and I even named an album this, The Way It Really Is. I like looking at things the way they are and the album is very personal to me. Lisa Loeb (46:50):I didn't try to hide things or anything. I wrote songs that were very important to me right now and I've found, it's been out a couple months. I find that other people in their lives really can relate to it because it does acknowledge that things can be hard, and things can get in your way and things aren't always the way you expect which now more than ever, oh my gosh, who knew what was happening right after the album came out that we would close everything down and have this crazy virus happening and all the racism and things just bubbling to the top. Lisa Loeb (47:22):So right in our faces all the time and all these important things and things can be really hard but you can realize and in the songs, like you said there can be positivity you realize, wait, I have what I need, or wait even with all the bad stuff I look in my life and you know what, there are some really cool things here and trying to appreciate those things. Lisa Loeb (47:44):I have a song called Another Day that's on the record and we just shot a video for another song in my house. We decided to shoot a lot in my house because it was such a personal album and we just shot another video we had to move all this stuff around the house to get it where it needed to be. So all of a sudden, I started picking things up like mom's, no offense to anybody, but often moms are just picking up, picking up, picking something off the floor, picking things up. Lisa Loeb (48:11):I told the videographer, the director I was working with, I'm like, start shooting me. This is the video for Another Day, because this is what it's about. It's those everyday moments and Cubby, you know now that you've got this baby, cute, it's just like, it's oh my gosh, oh my gosh, this is tough. I'm picking up this thing, all these little things in my daily life. Then just this glimpse of a moment that just makes everything worth it and it's just this unusual thing and I realized that's what it is while I'm picking up my entire house. Lisa Loeb (48:41):Then there's the thing that you see or a thing that you interact with your family for just a moment in a positive way. Not always positive but in a positive way. So the song, Another Day captures that. We can do this for another day, but like I say in the song, some of the days are not enough. Sometimes it's just so tough. Barnes (48:58):Is your song, My Third Bottle of Wine on there also? Is that on this album? Lisa Loeb (49:03):It's not yet. I do not drink enough, you guys. It's my problem. I drink coffee in the morning and now I drink a little more coffee in the afternoon, but I just don't drink enough. I tried, every year. Ever since 1994, there was like more in '94. I'm going to drink more. It's like my goal. Barnes (49:22):The one problem you cause in households with your success, Lisa Loeb, which my wife is a huge fan. She won't say hi, she's sitting right here. Lisa Loeb (49:31):I saw her walk by. Hey. I see a hand. Barnes (49:33):She will be in the kitchen like dinnertime. It'll be Alexa, play Lisa Loeb and then this happens. Barnes (49:47):(singing). Barnes (49:47):Hold on, I want to hear your rap. Barnes (49:49):(singing). Barnes (49:56):I say that's a problem because you're having wine, you're hanging out and your children's music gets mixed in with your regular music and Alexa doesn't know the difference and it's funny. Lisa Loeb (50:06):It is funny. I will say that a lot of the children's music is really, other than the nursery rhyme record which I did for Amazon, which I did like over 32 nursery rhymes. I didn't really appreciate nursery rhymes. I initially started making kids music, especially after my first record for kids. It was really for me, it was my nostalgia of growing up in the 70s. I'm actually I'm wearing a mood ring right now even, but it was my nostalgia. It wasn't because I liked kids or knew anything about kids. I loved, like even that song you just played from my album, Feel What U Feel, to me it's more like (singing). Lisa Loeb (50:46):All the songs we listened to rollerskating in the 70s and this era, where the grown up stuff and the kids stuff, it was a little bit more intertwined like the old Sesame Street from the 70s was really funny and clever and dry and grownups definitely could appreciate it. Then you had grown ups stuff like the Donny & Marie show and Fernwood 2 Night and stuff that was just so, and Steve Martin and things that appealed to children because they had a funny sense of humor and storytelling and so I wanted to do that. So that's what a lot of my kids music is. So it's okay if it gets mixed, even when I- Barnes (51:20):It's just funny because when you're drinking, the last thing I want to hear is (singing). It's just so funny. Lisa Loeb (51:27):Some people don't know the difference between the grown up stuff and the kid stuff- Cubby (51:29):You got to keep drinking, Steve. Lisa Loeb (51:30):Yeah, right. Barnes (51:32):That's the music that got you a Grammy. You've had such a weird career that's like, I would have given you a Grammy for Stay. Cubby (51:38):You got the eyewear from, that was 2010 I believe. You- Lisa Loeb (51:43):Yes. I have an eyewear line called Lisa Loeb Eyewear. Barnes (51:46):You're a total hustler. I love that. Entrepreneurs- Lisa Loeb (51:48):I just have lots of ideas and I like to do them. Leslie (51:51):Yeah, you're exploring all your passions, and when you're independent, you can do that, which is exactly what you've been doing successfully. Lisa Loeb (51:57):Well, when we all started out, you do one thing. Oh, you're a DJ. Okay, you're just a DJ, that's all you can do. You're not allowed to do anything else, but now if you have other ideas you can do them in it's totally cool. It's totally fine. I'm so excited that that is accepted and the norm actually. If you decided to open your jalapeno, whatever, your hot sauce company, your pet shelter, whatever you want to do, people are interested in that. They don't think oh, you're not a real DJ now because you have a pet shelter. They think, oh, that's so cool. Barnes (52:31):We were just talking off air. I'm about to open my gazpacho company. I'm going to be selling my courts of Barnes' pacho. It's my ancient- Lisa Loeb (52:40):Are you serious? Barnes (52:41):Oh, yeah. Lisa Loeb (52:42):See, I think it's so exciting and people want to know. Barnes (52:45):I'm ordering labels today people. Lisa Loeb (52:47):See. Barnes (52:48):I'm going there. Lisa Loeb (52:48):My daughter has a slime business. I know all about labels, containers, shipping. We're getting into the whole thing. Cubby (52:54):By the way, Lisa, what do you do? You look exactly the same from when I met you. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what pill you're taking to stay young. Lisa Loeb (53:02):I drink water. I drink water. I think I focus on sleep. I eat well. I eat what I like, which is really great. Like pizza, little mini ice cream cones. A lot of broccoli, a lot of kale, a lot of vegetables. So I eat well, I sound like one of those dog food commercials. I eat well, exercise, but I do. I walk every day or take a bike ride. I do strength training a couple times a week. Barnes (53:28):You don't drink a lot. Lisa Loeb (53:29):I don't drink a lot, which might be the thing. Also, I'm always interested in things, and I wear sunscreen. I wear sunscreen every day. Leslie (53:37):That's a good tip. Lisa Loeb (53:38):Sunscreen and hats, but I wear a mask now all the time outside. I try to stay engaged and things and I try to, like we were talking about my album. It's not about being positive all the time, but it's about I try to look inward. I try to see what's going on in my life, what I would like to change about how I'm acting, what I'm doing, what's going on with me and my relationships and my family. It's not always good, it's not always perfect, but just this kind of introspection, looking at my life, trying to figure out how to grow as a human. Lisa Loeb (54:12):I'm always learning. I try to think about, well, what can I do for fun? Like I love crossword puzzles. I started printing out my Sunday New York Times crossword puzzle on Sunday, and I put my schedule on the back and throughout the week, I just work on my crossword. So I try to stay engaged. Keep doing things that I love. Cubby (54:27):You actually did a crossword puzzle with, I was reading with Doug Peterson of the New York Times. Lisa Loeb (54:32):Yes, I got to write a crossword puzzle. Oh my gosh, that was a huge thing. I was thinking about random things that I'm so excited about. I've been doing the New York Times crossword puzzle for years and years. At first, I thought it was super boring. You know like those things where you listen to PBS with your grandmother and you're like, oh, my God, this is so boring and then you find yourself listening to NPR all the time. You're like, oh, okay. Nova used to be like, oh, they're putting Nova on the TV and now you're like, oh, that's really interesting. Lisa Loeb (54:58):So the crossword puzzle used to be really boring to me. I think it was difficult, but then I loved doing it and they asked me to write a crossword puzzle for the New York Times, which was just so exciting. I love that. It's just so different and it was like writing a song, this collaboration with another person to write a crossword Cubby (55:14):Was it hard? Lisa Loeb (55:16):It was hard, but I was working with a seasoned professional. If you've ever been on Southwest Airlines, this guy, Doug writes all the crossword puzzles for Southwest. He's written books and books of crossword puzzles. So it was really fun to work with him. Leslie (55:28):Do your kids know that their mom is Lisa Loeb. I mean, come on. Lisa Loeb (55:33):Sort of. It was funny last night was putting my daughter to sleep. I read with both kids every night. I think it's kind of selfish. It's kind of like watching a TV show because we read these great books. So I'm like, we got to get another chapter in. So I'm reading my own book and I'm reading books to all of them, but my daughter, I had all this makeup on because I do cameos, these messages and also they started doing Zoom meetings. Lisa Loeb (55:54):So I had a Zoom cameo where I get to actually hang out with somebody and talk to them. I did a bunch of cameos and I had some other stuff I had to shoot so I had eyelashes on and my whole full face of makeup, which I do way more than a lot of other people normally do during COVID-19. I have full face of makeup often. It's weird when I'm in the neighborhood and I see the other moms. I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm wearing like eyelashes and you could photograph me from a mile away and see all my features. Lisa Loeb (56:20):My daughter took my face in her hands and she said, "You look like Lisa Loeb." I was like oh instead of like, I do the mom lobe of like, I'm tired. Can you please pick up your socks? I had my lashes. Because when you have that makeup on, you just look like you're awake and you're from the 60s. Your face is stuck that way. Barnes (56:40):You look like you're in the 60s right now. What room are you in? I see a landline rotary dial telephone on the counter. Lisa Loeb (56:47):I know. I like that. That's the other thing. I am in my guestroom office. I do writing over here. I've been writing a lot at my grandfather's old metal desk, which I love and I've got all my books, well, not all my books, some of my books and stuff. This is the guest room, which for a while was the storage room because my husband turned the garage into his screening room. So everything from the garage came in here, but anyway, I've been clearing this out a lot. Lisa Loeb (57:14):This is a guest room/my work writing room but I'm obsessed with things from the past also. I think I'm going to do a YouTube something experience. Think about this, the things that you eat, the things that you listen to, you smell, you can go in a time machine. If you put on a song from the 70s like (singing). Play that, wear some 1970s clothes of like when you're a child, I don't know jeans that are really stiff. Cubby (57:48):But only serve food from that era. Lisa Loeb (57:50):Yes. So then you walk, and you literally you listen to the song and then you say can I have a piece of pepperoni pizza and a coke please. Maybe in an accent some from Texas. Can I have a pepperoni pizza and a coke please and you transport yourself. Or like the 80s, like I'm at Bloomingdale's. It smells like Giorgio, like Giorgio came out. This perfume, this cologne or whatever. Lisa Loeb (58:10):You're like, can I have a ham and cheese croissant and you're wearing little flats with pointy shoes and playing a song from like (singing) with like big dangly earrings that are kind of new wave but kind of mainstream and you feel like you're there. It's the weirdest thing. So obsessed with trying to place myself in different eras. You can be in a time machine. Leslie (58:33):You need to do that. You need to do your own YouTube channel and do that. Lisa Loeb (58:36):Wouldn't you like to do that? Leslie (58:37):Yes. Lisa Loeb (58:37):Can't you think of things like that? Cubby (58:39):Yep. Lisa Loeb (58:40):You know what you would do? You should have guests on to create scenarios- Cubby (58:44):Like smell, I think is the biggest memory bringer, backer. When you smell something- Lisa Loeb (58:49):It is. Goes right to your brain. Cubby (58:50):Right to your brain. I'd love to do something like that where you have all the senses coming at you. Barnes (58:55):Well, Lisa, thank you for coming on. It was such a treat and Cubby finally did something for the show. Cubby (59:00):See, Lisa, you made me look good. They thought I had no cool friends, Lisa Loeb (59:04):I will do anything for Cubby. Cubby really kick started this big career and I'm always so grateful. It's so fun that this relationship that I thought I had with Cubby is true. Cubby (59:17):It really is. It's true. Leslie (59:17):It's real. Lisa Loeb (59:17):It really means a lot to me. It really does and it's really fun to have grown through all the 26 years and still look the same and sound the same with Cubby. We're doing so many different things and so many different things are going on in our lives. So it's fun to have that. It's amazing. Barnes (59:31):Are you wearing the Cake & Pie frames right now? Lisa Loeb (59:34):I am wearing my Cake & Pie frames. Barnes (59:36):I thought I recognized those from Costco. Lisa Loeb (59:37):Thank you. Yes, they are at Costco. My glasses, yeah. Barnes (59:40):Enterprise. You are an enterprise. Lisa Loeb. Thank you very much. It was great to see you. Leslie (59:44):Thank you, Lisa. Lisa Loeb (59:45):Thank you so much for having me on. I will see y'all soon. Maybe in person. Cubby (59:49):Love you. Lisa Loeb (59:49):Thank you. Barnes (59:50):That's it for The Pop Culture Show. We'll see you next week. 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Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.Speaker 1 (00:00):Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie and Cubby. Barnes (00:04):The not so world-famous Pop Culture Show is back. Barnes, Leslie and Cubby. Barnes (00:09):Hey, I saw Jimmy by the way. Leslie (00:11):Jimmy Baron? Barnes (00:12):Walking the streets, yeah. Cubby (00:14):And he wants his job back. Barnes (00:15):No. Cubby (00:16):Oh. Barnes (00:16):He didn't say anything. He was coming. I guess on Saturdays he doesn't drive. And so, I saw him walking in the neighborhood from synagogue, I'm assuming. I rolled my window down and he was with some other people. He said, "Oh," typical Jimmy, "It's Barnes from Barnes, Leslie and Cubby." Leslie (00:34):He's listening. Barnes (00:35):And everyone just laughed. Leslie (00:36):He's listening to our podcast. Barnes (00:37):Yeah, this is very funny. Cubby (00:37):What's up, Jimmy? Barnes (00:38):Please rate, review and subscribe. Today on the show Butch Walker will be on. One of my absolute favs. Cubby (00:46):Now I totally know who he is by the way, but you guys... Leslie (00:50):Unbelievable. Barnes (00:51):I would think you know who he is. Cubby (00:52):No, I totally know. But you guys have talked to him many times, right? Leslie (00:55):Yeah. Barnes (00:55):Yeah, he's like family almost. Cubby (00:57):Right. Leslie (00:58):Cannot wait to talk to him about the epic show I saw him perform him in last year. Barnes (01:02):That dude, he puts out albums almost as much as we put out a podcast episode. [crosstalk 00:01:08]. He's unbelievable- Leslie (01:08):... fan base. His fan base is rapid. Barnes (01:11):Here we go. (singing) sell that, Butch. That's Marvelous Three. Cubby, I don't know if you ever played that in your stuff. Cubby (01:19):Early 2000s, I believe, right? Barnes (01:20):You did? Cubby (01:20):Yeah. Barnes (01:20):oh, awesome. Leslie (01:21):Good. Cubby (01:22):[crosstalk 00:01:22] 1990s or in 2000s. And then, of course, I know all about, I was reading up about Fallout Boy and producing and Green Day. Barnes (01:29):Like everybody you can imagine he has produced. Performed with Taylor Swift at the Grammy's. When was that? Recently. In the last couple of years. I don't know how far back was that? Leslie (01:38):I'd say he's... Barnes (01:40):They all run together in my head. Leslie (01:42):Yeah, he's one of one of those producers though that seamlessly can go from genre to genre. It's unbelievable. Barnes (01:46):So Butch is coming up. Pick us up on the iHeartRadio app. Now we're on Pandora. Where else, Cubby? Cubby (01:51):Teslas. Barnes (01:52):Teslas, yes. We're on Teslas. And Amazon Alexa. And of course in Turks and Caicos. How was your week, guys? Cubby (01:58):Good. Good. I mean, I'm trying to think of a highlight. Up here in New York it's just been very hot. We're watching this tropical storm/hurricane possibly come up the coast this week. And then, hanging with the baby, man. The baby turned six months old. Leslie (02:13):Cubby, I mean, your Instagram story, your Facebook story about your little shot machine is hysterical. Barnes (02:22):Earlier and earlier you're starting. Cubby (02:23):Well, I do a shot, as I told you guys last week, at 5:00 every day and sometimes it leads into more after that. But yeah, you know, Friday it was like, "You know what? It was a long week. Let's just kick things off early. 4:05, boom. Let's do a shot." Barnes (02:36):I called it a spot check on Thursday at 5:15. He was already on his second shot. I mean, it's just hysterical. [crosstalk 00:02:43]. Cubby (02:42):... Well, do you guys have happy hour at home? I mean, do you maybe have a glass of wine, Leslie? Or Barnes, a beer? Leslie (02:47):Not every day. Barnes (02:47):Yeah, I'm a vodka guy, you know that. I'm not a beer guy. But yeah, my wife will usually kick off happy hour. 5:00-ish, but we don't have an official machine. Leslie (02:56):He's got the machine in his kitchen. Cubby (02:59):It will complete your kitchen, man. Barnes (03:00):It's usually dinnertime. Cubby (03:02):Yeah. Leslie (03:02):And by the way, we're talking Jagermeister, which is so gross. Sorry. Cubby (03:05):Well, I have a love-hate with it. I have a love-hate with it. Barnes (03:10):I saw they responded to the tweet they were tagged in. They must have loved that. Cubby (03:14):Yeah, can we shout out Jagermeister USA? Barnes (03:16):We just did. Leslie just said, "I hate Jagermeister." You want to get that quote for the social media this week. "Hey, I hate Jagermeister," Leslie Pram. Cubby (03:24):That's Leslie Pram. Leslie (03:25):I didn't say I hated it, I said it was gross. Barnes (03:26):Right. Cubby (03:27):Well, you know what happened? I think I told you this story but about 25 years ago I got really sick of it, and then you know when you get sick off a certain drink you don't want to drink it ever again? Barnes (03:35):No. Cubby (03:36):And then I didn't touch it for 10 years. And then I told you, my wife lived in Germany for 11 years so she brought some back. And I'm like, "I haven't had this a while. I'll give it a second chance." And I've been doing it every day since 2016. Leslie (03:48):They need to be paying you. You need to be on the Jagermeister payroll. Cubby (03:51):I need to call a special number, I think. I might have to call another number. Barnes (03:54):Yeah. Cubby (03:56):To get some help. Barnes (03:58):I had a fun week. Remember that avail check you kept joking about? They booked me, so I booked that show. I can tell you which show it is now but I can't tell you what I'm playing. It's called Saints and Sinners. Cubby (04:07):I like the name. Leslie (04:08):I've heard of that. Wait a second, what is Saints and Sinners? [crosstalk 00:04:10]. Barnes (04:10):It's on Bounce, the Bounce Network. Leslie (04:14):What do you play? Barnes (04:14):I can't tell you. Leslie (04:15):Are you a saint or a sinner? Barnes (04:17):They contract all of this, you can't divulge story ahead of time. Leslie (04:23):Barnes, I'm sorry. I don't see you in the saint category. Cubby (04:25):No, I don't either. Barnes (04:27):No. I would be on probably the sinners side. Cubby (04:29):Yeah. Barnes (04:30):Anyway. Leslie (04:30):That's what I see. Barnes (04:31):We're filming in September. We start filming on the 10th. Cubby (04:33):What about you, Leslie? What did you all week? Leslie (04:34):Okay, I have not had my haircut since February because of coronavirus. I got two inches cut off. I don't know if you can tell Barnes (04:40):I saw you posting with your mask on. Cubby (04:43):Oh, I did see that. Yes, you do, yeah, yeah. Leslie (04:44):My hairdresser, Jimmy Wilmer. Plug bell. Anyway, yeah, got that done. Barnes (04:49):Fram, you can never tell if your hair is shorter because you wear black shirts every day. So you have black hair and black shirts, I can't really get the contrast. Leslie (04:55):Kind of blends together. Cubby (04:56):Did they do a blowout? You know we talked about blowouts, and my wife didn't get a blowout because they won't do blowouts here in Jersey because of spreading the corona. Leslie (05:03):Yeah. Cubby (05:03):Did you they do a blowout there? Leslie (05:04):Yeah, we did. But we were socially distanced and we were wearing our masks. And we were the only two people in the building. So it was safe. Cubby (05:13):Good. Barnes (05:14):This week I had to renew my concealed weapon license. Every five years you have to do it. Leslie (05:20):Was that annoying? Barnes (05:22):Can you have that in New Jersey, Cubby? Cubby (05:23):You know, I haven't read into it. But I assume. Barnes (05:26):I don't know. Some states, I guess, are different. But you want to talk about a fricking freak show. I had to go down, usually it's no big deal. You walk in and it's like a marriage license. You just walk in, you fill out the paperwork and you're done. There were hundreds of people. Barnes (05:40):So I go bopping at 9:30 thinking, "Oh, it'll just be a few minutes." You have a paperwork. It was a renewal, so it wasn't going to be the whole shebang. You have to fill out the application again but no fingerprints this time. Barnes (05:50):Oh my god, there were hundreds of people. The line was all day. So I just left. The sheriff guy was like, "Look, come back tomorrow at 7:00. Check in." So I had to go check in at 7:00, get on this list and then at 8:30 they opened the doors. And it's like a ballroom full of people every day. Cubby (06:06):Oh my god... Barnes (06:07):Getting their permits. That's how out of- Leslie (06:09):Whacked. Barnes (06:09):... control it is in Atlanta. Cubby (06:11):Were people bringing lawn chairs and stuff? Leslie (06:13):Yeah... Barnes (06:13):No. It was like a ballroom, literally, inside the government building. People with masks, you have to have masks. They take your temperature when you walk in. And they have one person processing the licenses. Leslie (06:25):How long did it take you, how long were there? Barnes (06:27):I was number seven in line and it took me an hour-and-a-half. Then you have to go downtown- Leslie (06:31):Wow. Barnes (06:31):... to bring your paperwork, your affidavit, to get your background check. Cubby (06:35):Dude, I would have shot myself after all that. Barnes (06:36):Right. You don't even need a permit. Cubby (06:39):It's like DMV times 100, right? Leslie (06:42):Wow. Barnes (06:42):That was my fun week. Barnes (06:43):Shall we jump into celebrity sleaze? Butch Walker, still coming up, just a few. Leslie (06:49):I'm sure you've been following this but the saga of the Ellen DeGeneres show. Barnes (06:53):Oh... Leslie (06:54):Now a couple of actors are coming out. Brad Garrett, Lea Thomspon. Brad Garrett said I think on Twitter, "Sorry, but it comes from the top. The Ellen Show. No more than one who were treated horribly by her. Common knowledge." Leslie (07:09):I guess Thursday she finally spoke up. She said, "Hey everybody, it's Ellen. On day one of our show, I told everyone on our first meeting that The Ellen DeGeneres Show would be a place of happiness. No one would ever raise their voice and everyone would be treated with respect." Leslie (07:24):And then she went on to say, "I'm sorry for that. Anyone who knows me knows it's the opposite of what I believe and what I hoped for our show." She almost acted like she was surprised but they're saying a lot of ex-producers engaged in rampant sexual misconduct and harassment. But a lot of people are coming out saying you weren't allowed to look her in the eye, you weren't allowed to talk with her, that she wasn't a very nice person. And now the show is under investigation. Barnes (07:49):Who was that, that tweeted all that? Leslie (07:51):Brad Garrett. Barnes (07:52):Hey, Cubby? Cubby (07:53):Yeah. Barnes (07:54):I was at the Royal Hawaiian, filming in Hawaii. Cubby (07:58):All right. Barnes (07:58):Guess who was sitting next to me at the bar? Cubby (08:01):Ellen DeGeneres. Barnes (08:02):Brad Garrett. Cubby (08:02):Brad Garrett. You always have to get one in, don't you? Leslie (08:06):You have to get one. Barnes (08:08):He's tall. He's like 6'6". Leslie (08:10):Oh, man... Barnes (08:10):Guy's huge. But I spoke to someone yesterday in Hollywood, a very reliable source who says it was one bazillion percent true. Cubby (08:20):I believe it. That she's a bitch? Barnes (08:22):Yeah. Cubby (08:22):Pardon my mouth. Sorry. But yeah... Barnes (08:24):They said, "Look, there's some people that worked on her show who are starting Facebook threads," and they're tough. Cubby (08:30):Right. Barnes (08:31):"Yes, you did do that." I mean, she's the antithesis of what she markets herself to be. Leslie (08:36):The happy show, where everyone's dancing and happy. It's really sad to hear, quite honestly. Cubby (08:40):She is the show everyday, be kind to one another. Barnes (08:42):It's a big scam. Cubby (08:43):Like, right? Scam. Barnes (08:45):Well, what's going to happen? Leslie (08:46):I'm assuming more stories will come out. I don't know, the show's under investigation. Who knows? Cubby (08:50):What does mean? Internal investigation, I think. Leslie (08:52):Yeah, maybe they'll cancel the show? I don't know. Cubby (08:54):Wow... Leslie (08:55):A lot of repercussions. Cubby (08:57):She'll walk away one rich woman anyway. Doesn't matter. Barnes (08:59):Yeah, she's already set for life. Cubby (09:01):Yeah, yeah. Barnes (09:01):But who knew that she was that miserable? Cubby (09:03):Right. Leslie (09:04):Now, Barnes, I know that you watched the Jeffrey Epstein saga, right, on Netflix? Barnes (09:08):I did. Leslie (09:09):Well, one of the women who was exposed, Virginia Giuffre, she's been talking with attorneys. She's now naming names. I don't know if you've seen any of this but she was disposed the other day and she's talking about how Ghislaine Maxwell used her as a sex slave. She's mentioning that the attorney conducting the interview says that she mentions several names, including Prince Andrew, who obviously was in the documentary. Former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson. And this is suspicious, an individual described as "another prince" and another individual described as "the large hotel chain owner". Not sure who that is. Leslie (09:49):She did say that she was surprised seeing Bill Clinton there. And one time she remembers asking Jeffrey Epstein about why Bill Clinton was there. He kind of laughed it off and said, "Yeah, he owes me a favor." Cubby (10:00):Wow. Barnes (10:01):He keeps trying to run from that story and everybody that was within feet of that Island said, "Yeah, he was here." Leslie (10:07):Numerous times. He was on the flight log numerous times. Cubby (10:10):This story is just going to keep getting worse. We haven't reached the end of this at all. Leslie (10:14):No, not at all. Cubby (10:16):No. Leslie (10:16):Hey, another big surprise, Beyonce. Oh yeah, she just released her visual album, Black Is King, inspired by the Lion King, on Disney Plus. Disney Plus getting some great stuff lately. Cubby (10:29):Yeah. Leslie (10:29):But already millions of views, as you can imagine, for Beyonce. Barnes (10:34):Wasn't that a surprise again? Leslie (10:35):It was another surprise, yeah. Barnes (10:36):She's the queen of that. She is, she started all the whole surprise thing, didn't she? Leslie (10:40):She really did. Cubby (10:41):Yeah. Now more and more people do it. Why do you think that is though? Does it stimulate more sales if you do it that way? Barnes (10:47):Talk. People talk. People are like, "Oh my god, So-and-So- Cubby (10:51):Social media- Barnes (10:51):... "put something,"... Yeah. Leslie (10:52):Yeah, because you know the Taylor Swift, I mean, the albums are out of control. And I can see why. I have been listening to that over and over again. Leslie (11:01):I don't know if you saw the Emmy nominations but Netflix on fire. Are you ready for this? 160 Emmy nominations just for Netflix and all their shows. Cubby (11:12):Crazy. Just unbelievable how... Barnes (11:13):They're killing it. Cubby (11:13):Yeah. Leslie (11:14):Oh by the way, I want to mention that Tiger King was nominated for six Emmys. Barnes (11:19):Really? Leslie (11:20):Including Outstanding Documentary... Cubby (11:22):And that's why I think, it's just an outstanding documentary, really. I mean... Barnes (11:26):Yeah, it is. It's a murder story. Cubby (11:28):Right. It was well done. Leslie (11:29):Yeah, I've never watched Watchmen, but they got 26 nominations. The Marvelous Miss Maisel got 20. Ozark, 18. Succession, 18. And then Eddie Murphy got his first Emmy nod in 21 years because he hosted Saturday Night Live. So I think that was kind of cool. Barnes (11:47):You talked about the Taylor Swift record. Did you see she's already come back with a new version of, what was the song? Cardigan? Leslie (11:55):Yeah, she has. I've seen all the videos. I've been listening to everything. Barnes (11:59):It's been, like, two minutes and now she's already got this out. Barnes (12:07):(singing) Barnes (12:08):What do they call this, the campfire mix? Leslie (12:10):Oh... Yeah, I think I told you on the phone, Barnes, that I love the Bon Iver Exile song. Barnes (12:19):I thought it was Bon Iver. Leslie (12:19):Bon Iver. Barnes (12:19):Is that how you say it? Leslie (12:20):Yeah. Barnes (12:21):I [crosstalk 00:12:22]. Leslie (12:21):... real name is Justin Vernon, I'm a big fan of his. Barnes (12:23):Oh... Leslie (12:24):So wait a second... Barnes (12:25):I like him. Leslie (12:25):You guys realize that she revealed the name of Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively's child in her song Betty? Barnes (12:30):This is funny. Cubby (12:30):Yeah. Barnes (12:32):I like Taylor Swift. I wish we could get her on here. You know anyone? Leslie (12:36):She's friends with Blake and... Barnes (12:36):Well, Butch Walker? Cubby (12:38):There you go. Barnes (12:38):Let's get... Come on. I think she's got an amazing voice and she's an astute businesswoman. Leslie (12:44):A great songwriter too. Yeah, she put that song Betty out, and the Swifties, they listen to every single lyric. They realized that she had revealed the name of Blake and Ryan Reynolds' baby. Barnes (12:55):I love this. It's like a little story. Leslie (12:57):Yeah. Cubby (12:58):Yeah, but Taylor is the queen of people probing and reading into things. She loves to just put out secrets in her songs, you have to figure things out. Like you need a decoder ring. Leslie (13:10):You do. Cubby (13:10):For all her music. Barnes (13:11):Listen to her little clues. So this is the song Betty, and here's the first one. So Inez and James are their twins, right? Leslie (13:18):Yes. Barnes (13:19):So here's the mention of Inez... (singing) Barnes (13:28):So then here's James... (singing) Barnes (13:38):And then of course... (singing) Barnes (13:46):So how are we supposed to deduce that this song Betty, we're supposed to know that Inez and James were the kids' names- Leslie (13:54):No, the Swifties knew that. Barnes (13:54):I'm asking like, "How was that decoded?" Who said, "Oh Betty, wait a minute. I hear James and Inez in there,"? Leslie (14:00):Because every time Taylor drops a record that's what her fans do. It's pretty incredible. Cubby (14:04):They get to work really is what they do. Leslie (14:06):They get to work, yeah. Barnes (14:07):I love her voice. Leslie (14:08):The VMAs were announced as well. Arianna Grande and Lady Gaga led the nominations. Leslie (14:15):Barnes, I know you're way into this, about this reboot for the Sopranos. Have you heard about this? Barnes (14:20):Oh, have I heard- Leslie (14:21):David Chase- Barnes (14:22):... about it? Leslie (14:22):... is returning to Jersey with the Many Saints of Newark, featuring a prequel to the Sopranos. Barnes (14:31):So it'll be a prequel? Leslie (14:32):Yeah, because I guess Tony Soprano's going to be played by, which is kind of eerie but cool, James Gandolfini's son. Barnes (14:39):Son, yeah. Leslie (14:39):Michael Gandolfini. Barnes (14:42):I heard from somebody on production just recently that worked on that show in the early days. And they were telling me that all those dudes, what do you call them in Jersey? Like the hangers-on? Cubby (14:52):Well, I mean, it's considered offensive. Guidos. Barnes (14:55):I don't know, so whatever. All the guys that were around tony, these were all these Mafia friends that they were approached and said, "Find them jobs." And even, the producers were like, "They're not actors." And they're like, "Find them a job." So all those, a lot of those guys not all of them, but a lot of those guys were given those roles on The Sopranos. Cubby (15:19):And that's why it was so real. Barnes (15:21):Yeah. Cubby (15:22):What do you guys think happened at the end? Don't Stop Believin's playing. We're at the diner. Leslie (15:27):So much controversy about the ending. I thought it was brilliant. Barnes (15:30):It's so weird. Cubby (15:32):I thought it was brilliant. I mean, I knew this was 13, 14 years old but I still love to hear peoples' take on what they think happened. Leslie (15:36):What, do you think that they all got killed or that they just lived on? Cubby (15:40):I think somebody took out Tony. That's what I think. Leslie (15:44):You do? Cubby (15:44):Yeah. Barnes? Barnes (15:46):I'm with you on that. How many years has it been? The finale was 10 years or more. Cubby (15:54):It was '07. No, it was 13 years. I want to say '07 or '08. Leslie (15:56):Yeah. Barnes (15:56):Yeah, a long time ago. My memory goes back about a week. Leslie (15:59):So this is a movie reboot. Who knows if it's going to be a TV show. They keep asking- Barnes (16:03):Oh, a movie? Leslie (16:04):... Yeah, they keep asking- Barnes (16:05):Oh, I thought you were saying it was- Leslie (16:06):... David Chase and he's like, "Oh, never say never," but how knows? Barnes (16:08):Wow. Leslie (16:08):And speaking of reboot, I guess Ratchet, a prequel to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is going to happen, starring Sarah Paulsen as Nurse Ratchet. Premiering September 18th on Netflix. Cubby (16:21):Do you have all the streaming services? I know we've talked about this before. Do you have, how many do you have, Leslie? You have Netflix, you have Disney Plus and all that? Leslie (16:29):I have that, I have Disney Plus, I have HBO Max, Showtime. Prime, which I never really look at anymore, Amazon Prime. Barnes (16:37):Yeah, but it comes with your membership. Leslie (16:39):Yeah, that's true, yep. Cubby (16:40):I'm still thinking about cutting the cord, and Barnes told me YouTube TV was great. Barnes (16:43):I love it. Cubby (16:43):I'm thinking about that. Barnes (16:45):Still. [crosstalk 00:16:45] they just raised their price 10 bucks, but still it's worth it. Cubby (16:48):Right. Leslie (16:49):And there's so much more but I think we should talk about Drew Barrymore. This is really cute. She's getting her own talk show. But this is how she promoted her talk show. It was Drew interviewing her seven-year-old self when her seven-year-old Drew Barrymore was interviewed by Johnny Carson. So cute. Barnes (17:09):Was it on The Tonight Show. Leslie (17:10):Yeah, Carson. Cubby (17:11):Yeah. Barnes (17:12):Her image was kind of shattered with me. I don't think you were with us. I think it was Jimmy and [Medge 00:17:19]. We went to a party in Canada. We were up there for the film fest. Remember that? Leslie (17:24):Yeah, I was up there with you. Barnes (17:25):[crosstalk 00:17:25] with Quentin Tarantino? And we went to this private party and Drew Barrymore was there. And she was anything but her persona. Cubby (17:33):What do you mean? Like she didn't seem friendly? Barnes (17:35):No. Maybe she had a bad night? Cubby (17:38):Right. Barnes (17:38):Who knows? I mean, at this point, this was probably 20 years ago, so she was, what, in her thirties? But I wanted to write it off as maybe it was a bad night. Nothing that happened to me, this is from an observer from a very small party where she was... Either she was agitated about something. I think that might have been during her Tom Green days. [crosstalk 00:17:56]. Leslie (17:55):Oh, I forgot about the Tom Green era. Cubby (17:57):I did too. Barnes (17:58):Yeah, but here's this clip. It's just 30 seconds. And you said it was The Tonight Show? Leslie (18:02):Yes, it was the The Tonight Show in 1982. Barnes (18:06):So this is Drew now sitting in Johnny's desk and they did a split screen and it's seamless, kind of like that Nike ad that's out right now. You can't tell that it's not for real-for real, and it's Drew interviewing herself. Drew Barrymore (18:18):Please welcome Drew Barrymore. Drew Barrymore (18:19):I've been waiting all my life to meet you. Drew Barrymore (18:22):It's been a wild ride. Can you believe I have two daughters around your age? Drew Barrymore (18:26):Kind of scary. Drew Barrymore (18:27):I have so much to fill you in on. Want to hear about our new daytime show? Drew Barrymore (18:32):I'd love to. Drew Barrymore (18:32):We're going to spend an hour, every day, celebrating life. Drew Barrymore (18:36):Oh... Drew Barrymore (18:36):I'm so excited I could scream. Want to do it with me? Drew Barrymore (18:40):Guys, ready?... Barnes (18:45):Love that. Cubby (18:46):Do you know I watch the old Johnny Carsons all the time? It's on every night, 10:00, on Antennae TV. 10:00 Eastern. Leslie (18:52):Talk about comedic timing. He was brilliant. Barnes (18:54):Yeah. Cubby (18:54):He's my favorite. Johnny Carson, what a legend. Leslie (18:58):That's your sleaze for this week, although we could go on for another hour. Barnes (19:03):Couple of new music items I wanted to hit you with. I don't know if you heard any of these; Billie Eilish with something brand new? Leslie (19:07):Yes, I like her. Leslie (19:08):(singing) Barnes (19:08):It's called My Future. (singing) Barnes (19:08):That kid is so smart. Leslie (19:30):Can I tell you, I met her last year? Barnes (19:32):Really? Leslie (19:32):She did a private show at Third Man Records, which is Jack White- Barnes (19:37):Wow. Leslie (19:37):... in the little Blue Room. Couple of hundred people, met her after. She was smiling, just really lovely. Because you think she's going to be very dark and moody. No, she was so sweet. And I was captivated by the show, completely captivated. Barnes (19:50):She seems very sweet. Her interview with, I forget if it was Fallon or someone, they went to her house and in her bedroom, hanging out. She makes all of her songs- Leslie (19:59):Yeah, with her brother. Barnes (19:59):... they make everything right there in the bedroom. Leslie (20:00):Yeah. Barnes (20:01):Bedroom pop, but she's not pop. But I think she's brilliant. Barnes (20:04):Dan + Shay, you familiar with those guys? Leslie (20:06):Yeah. Barnes (20:07):They're kind of a country crossover. This is their new one called I Should Probably Go To Bed. (singing) Barnes (20:25):Great voice. Leslie (20:26):Yeah, Shay has an incredible voice. You know they have that big hit? Cubby, I'm sure you played it, with Justin Bieber. Cubby (20:33):Yeah, we played it, yeah, sure did. Leslie (20:33):10,000 Hours. Cubby (20:33):Mm-hmm (affirmative). Leslie (20:33):Such nice guys. Cubby (20:37):But just something I want to say here, a little observation. Every tune we've played from every artist is so... I'm not trying to poo-poo on it, but it's all just chill. Have you noticed? Every song is like- Barnes (20:47):I think it's the state of peoples' minds right now. Cubby (20:49):... everything's just like... You didn't play one thing with a beat. Barnes (20:53):No. Well, that's just this week. Cubby (20:55):Well, it's true, it's one week. But yeah, everything's very chill, man. Barnes (20:58):Can we budget some drums, please? Cubby's pissed. Cubby (21:01):Yeah, give me some beats, man. Barnes (21:02):All right. Leslie (21:02):That song though is just in my head. Cubby (21:05):I was reading this on a website called SWNS Digital. And they say Americans are using music to stay connected during quarantine. Now, kind of sucks for us. We do a podcast and we talk for non-stop, like an hour. So I don't know if this is good or bad, but 79% of Americans credit music with helping them stay connected while social distancing. Hip hop is the genre that lifted peoples' spirits the most, 50%. Followed by rock at 46%, and pop, 45%. And the top songs making people quarantine dance, and this is the two songs that have shown up in all the playlists that people are making, Whitney Houston's I Want To Dance with Somebody, and Michael Jackson's Billie Jean are your most commonly chosen songs on all these quarantine playlists. Cubby (21:52):But yeah, credit music for helping people stay connected and happy. And I got to tell you, I don't know about you guys, if there's music on you feel instantly better. Maybe, I don't know, because of us, we're in the music because but if I'm in the kitchen and something's missing, hey... I won't say her name because it'll go off. Barnes (22:10):Yeah, everyone's room. Cubby (22:11):Yeah, but don't you guys think music is... Leslie (22:14):Yes. Cubby (22:14):Is the soul, you know? Leslie (22:15):I've been streaming a lot more music. And I think maybe because I'm at home, even though I'm working from home, I have more time and I am streaming a lot of music, and a lot of different music too. Barnes (22:24):It just puts your mood in a different place. When I sit down at the computer to work, unless I'm editing where there's sound I need to hear, I put music on. Cubby (22:30):And what about cleaning? Barnes (22:30):Yeah. Cubby (22:31):Do you know, if I put music on I will clean. I'll do a good hour of cleaning. Barnes (22:35):Well, podcasts though are taking over in that. They're talking about 70% of people who are doing chores are listening to podcasts. Cubby (22:41):Which I hope, yeah, it's good for us. Because I will admit, when I saw this I was like, "Oh wow, 79% of people say music is what is keeping them connected during a quarantine." I'm thinking, "Oh god, what does that mean for podcast." But podcast numbers are up. Barnes (22:55):All right, let's get Butch Walker on. Before he comes on, he's in the green room right now, listen. Have you heard this remix, not remix but version of this song that he did? Barnes (23:05):(singing) He did this two years ago. Cubby (23:11):So good. Barnes (23:12):That's pretty fast. Cubby (23:12):Yeah. (singing) Barnes (23:14):I love this version. (singing) Cubby (23:25):That's so cool. Barnes (23:28):All right, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the multi-talented, this guy does it all, every possible way. The guy is just the king. He is Butch Walker. What's going on, Butch? Butch Walker (23:38):Well, hello there. Barnes (23:40):How are you? Butch Walker (23:40):Man, I'm doing good. I'm just sitting in my dark, dirty basement. Which I'm not lying, I wish I had video for you to see, but it's the most disgusting basement I've ever seen. But I had to have a place to set up my recording rig while I'm getting my studio built. Barnes (23:58):That's hysterical. We were just playing Better Now. I just played the cover, which I love that version. Butch Walker (24:03):Oh, thanks. Barnes (24:04):And I love the video, just seeing you play all the instruments and sing at the same time. You're bragging, is what you're doing, Butch. Butch Walker (24:12):Totally. Not even humble. Not a bit, dude. Barnes (24:16):You covered that so early though. You covered that before, it wasn't even a hit yet, was it? Butch Walker (24:21):It was brand new, I think. Barnes (24:23):Yeah. Butch Walker (24:23):Every once in a while there's a pop song I just really can't stop singing, and that was one of them. When I'd hear it, I'd be like, "God, I hate that I love this song," or, "I love that I hate it." I don't know what it is. I just loved it. But I think it's a great song and it was really fun, sometimes I get a little bit free bits of time in the studio and I try and just occupy those with doing a random cover here and there. So really fun. Barnes (24:48):And you finished it off perfectly with the art work on the single when you had the tattoos around your eyes and stuff. I thought that was just, it was the full package, paying homage to Post Malone. Butch Walker (24:58):Totally, man. Well, so good to see and hear you guys. I can see you guys right now but I know you can't see me. Leslie (25:07):We've been talking a lot about you and obviously your career, which is just off the chart. And I have to say this about Butch Walker, the producer. I don't know of any other producer that has seamlessly worked every single genre. And also working from superstars to really brand new independent cool artists. Who else can do that? I mean, from working from everyone from Green Day and the Wallflowers to, I was just talking to Elizabeth Cook who you just produced. And she's like, "There's nobody else better." Butch Walker (25:40):Oh, Elizabeth. Oh, well... Leslie (25:42):Do you listen to just about everything? When you're deciding who you're going to work with, I'm sure that the music has to mean something to you, but what goes into that decision making for you when you want to work or produce someone? Butch Walker (25:57):I grew up listening to every kind of music. When you're young and living in rural Georgia whatever was on the radio I listened to. And so, my sisters had an eclectic bag of records, so I was listening to everything from, at the time, this would be what was fashionable at the time, was funk and disco and metal and punk and pop. And so, nothing was off-limits. And my mom, who listened to Al Green and CCR and loved Elvis. I mean, there was just so much of it, that I'd never had a filter for what I thought I was supposed to listen to and not listen to, which I loved. Butch Walker (26:33):And I tried to just always keep that with me in my back pocket when I'm working with people in the studio or when I'm looking at something to produce. I just think there's good music in every genre and so I'm attracted to whatever strikes me as good or appealing or interesting. And a lot of times, it's who it is. Like if I meet with the person and I really fall in love with their personality and think that they've got a lot to offer and they're talented, that's part of it, because life is too short to be in the studio making records with assholes. Leslie (27:06):Exactly. Butch Walker (27:08):So you know, it's always good to just be making records with good positive fun people that work hard and want to make great art. And there's no rules to me. Cubby (27:20):Really nice to meet you. Butch Walker (27:21):You too. Cubby (27:22):I've heard great things about you from Leslie and Barnes. And here's my question: You mentioned all these great artists you've worked with. Who have you not met that you were really digging, like you're digging their sound and you would love to work with? Butch Walker (27:36):That's a good question. Cubby (27:37):Like we were just talking about Billie Eilish on our show here. Butch Walker (27:39):Oh, that would be one. Cubby (27:40):Really? Butch Walker (27:41):I think she's fascinating. I think she's amazing. She's her own, she's an independent woman. She's badass. She does her own thing. Everything about her is exactly why she's huge right now. Barnes (27:53):You'd have to primarily Finneas out of the room before I think that would happen. Butch Walker (27:56):Yeah, I know, but that's what's so great about it. I know, it's a brother-sister thing, and that's what's great about it, is they made all that in their bedroom despite anybody telling them how to do it or what do it, which I thought was amazing. And those are the records that come along and make me so excited when they break the mold. Butch Walker (28:11):Like when Macklemore got big, because nobody, he ended up not signing to anybody because he just made the record himself with Ryan Lewis, and it was the biggest thing ever. And it was basically bucking the system. Butch Walker (28:26):I mean, I don't know, I always try, I love the DIY thing myself. I mean, I came from, as Leslie will attest to, I made a record in my living room in my underwear. And she started playing it and next thing you know, I had a top five hit on the radio that was done in a bedroom with two microphones. And that started me on the path to where I am, and I never forget that by the way, that that's what put to where I am today. Butch Walker (28:59):So when I see a kid like Billie and even Finneas, super talented, just sitting in a bedroom making completely experimental amazing pop music, that is so rad, man. That is the coolest. Butch Walker (29:16):So yes, that would be one of many, but it's kind of like going into Costco and walking out with nothing. You asked me a question, Cubby, that I can't even remember right off the top of my head, now that you've asked me. But I'll wake up in the middle of the night with 17 answers. Cubby (29:31):No, it's all good. Barnes (29:32):Butch, you're such a prolific songwriter. It seems like, to me, that you can't get up and walk to the refrigerator without coming up with a song. And then, you record it and then you have time to do everybody else's records. But you're the king of these kind of anthem hooks. I mean, one of my favorites off the new album is your grand hit call Fuck It (singing). Butch Walker (29:56):Nice. (singing). Barnes (30:00):Like to me, you got up one day and you're like, "Yeah, fuck it. Oh you know what? Turn on the gear. Let's go." Cubby (30:04):Right. Butch Walker (30:05):It was funny. Barnes (30:06):I love it. Butch Walker (30:06):Oh thank you, I'm glad you like it. That was one of the last songs I did for the record because it was like I had the whole song and didn't have the chorus. And I think the chorus I was saying something weird, like (singing), whatever, it sounded way too like eighties Aerosmith. But I was like... And then I finally said, "Oh, it totally works in that phrasing to say fuck it." And it fit with what I was talking about in the album too, which we can obviously get into or not. But that was my homage to early Toto I think in that song. I wanted- Cubby (30:46):And clearly no intentions to get that as a single. Butch Walker (30:48):No, sir. Beep, beep. Cubby (30:51):Right. Butch Walker (30:53):It would be funny if every time you hit it, it beeped. But yeah, I love big hooks. Those are fun. Leslie (31:01):And speaking of, honestly, American Love Story and the theme of this, you have been writing this record over the last few years but now, during pandemic and social injustice and everything else, I mean, you went there, which is great, and you talk about growing up in the South in a lot of interviews. I grew up in Alabama. Leslie (31:19):But you know we have this systematic racism everywhere, but this is an album unlike a lot of your records. What has been the more inspirational thing for you putting this out there? Butch Walker (31:32):Well, okay, that's a good question because I did the record over two years ago. Leslie (31:36):Right. Butch Walker (31:37):And I just sat on it. And I think that a lot of that was because I didn't know what to do with it, I didn't know if it would be a record that I could go do a conventional tour on, because I didn't think it would be fair to just go out and there and pepper in one or two songs from the record into my set of 30 years of music. And it'd be taken out of context because a lot of the lyrics on the record are sung from the firsthand perspective of very questionable protagonists. So there's some really dodgy shit been said lyrically. And that's because if you take it out of context people will be like, "What the hell did he just say?" I didn't want to cause that. Butch Walker (32:13):So I felt like it was something that was its own thing. So we kind of said, "Look, we would dub it in a rock opera, obviously is something you listen to from beginning to end. It tells a story." That being said, it needs to be its own show. It needed to its own concert or whatever, where you're placed front to back. But then you've got that whole thing of like, "Well, do I go out on a normal tour and then play a whole entire record that's new, that nobody's familiar with front to back?" Nobody wants that. Or maybe they do but I'm always trying to at least think of the fans in mind when I go tour because I'm blessed to still have an incredible, I like to think rabid, fan base. Leslie (32:51):You do. Butch Walker (32:52):That when they come to the shows, we're all one and we get into the show together. So I didn't want to disconnect from them for 45 minutes straight in one setting. So I sat on it, and I didn't do anything with it for two years. Butch Walker (33:08):And then pandemic, pandemonium 2020 happened and we were locked down and no one was putting out records, no one was touring. And I think that was synonymous with each other because they need to tour to put a record out and vice versa. And then it just felt like over the course of three years sadly the subject matter had not dated itself. It was still, it was worse than ever. Butch Walker (33:35):When it had somewhat been dormant and not been talked about or addressed as much in the media or on the streets, but more behind closed doors over the last however many years. And so, it just kind of came to a head over the last few years. Barnes (33:51):But you're taking these, they're all first person. If you haven't listened to the record, do it. Listen to the whole thing. He's taking on these different characters as he sings about these issues. Were you fearing alienation, politics wise? And I don't want to get political at all. Butch Walker (34:07):That's fine, that's fine. Barnes (34:07):I'm just saying when you put something out like that, do you fear that... Your fans are your fans. Butch Walker (34:13):Yes. Barnes (34:13):And what if some of them have drastic opinions on that type of thing? Wasn't that a risk? Butch Walker (34:17):Yeah, and they did, and they do. I realize I don't live in a bubble, for what it's worth. I grew up in the South, I grew up in this. A lot of these stories are true. And it's fictional characters based on real shit. And so, living all over the country and going back and forth to the South to the West coast all the time and touring a lot, I've gotten to see, I want to say I've gotten to see a lot in the last 30 years of doing this. And I had a lot to say about it. Butch Walker (34:52):But of course I knew there would be some blowback because sadly everything is politicized now. Everything. Barnes (34:59):Yeah, everything. Butch Walker (35:00):You're not going to just do this record and think that people aren't going to get offended by it. I mean, they got offended in the seventies when Randy Newman put out Good Old Boys, which he was singing about Leslie's home state, and my mom's home state by the way. And so, but he was singing from first-person perspective as well. And it was very like, "What the hell, man," you know? Butch Walker (35:25):But I kind of just looked at it as if I don't say it, if I don't say something about it, then what's the point? It's not art. Some of my favorite music was spawned during times of protest and strife and whatever. I mean, there's just so much amazing important music out there. Not that I'm trying to say mine is, but I'm just saying it inspired me to make the record. And so why would I not put it out there just because of what a couple of trolls online are going to say? Butch Walker (35:53):And that's fine, because I've said it a million times, that if somebody's got a problem with me calling out bigotry and racism then they're not my people and I want to show them the door anyway. Leslie (36:03):Amen. Butch Walker (36:03):And that's fine. And I don't give a shit if I lose... Jason Isbell said a great thing, he's like, "If I lose half my fans at least I get to keep all of my soul." Barnes (36:12):Ha. Butch Walker (36:13):And it's a beautiful thing, and only someone that prolific with words can say that. And I use it quite often because it's true. And luckily, I'd say the reaction though amazingly has been super positive. For the most part, it's been very positive. If you want to base it on Instagram followers, it didn't go down, they went up. And so, I'll take that as this must not have offended a lot of them. Maybe [crosstalk 00:36:48]. Barnes (36:48):Why did you get off of Twitter? Butch Walker (36:50):Well, and speaking of, that was just a breeding ground for just trouble, and for trolling and for hatred. That's the same reason I'm not on my Facebook account. All my socials are pretty much handled by management. When I'm in charge of doing the wording and doing the posting and copying to other social platforms and stuff, it's easy to get wrapped up and get emotional about all these heavy topics right now. And you're just going to end up... And what was sad is seeing how many that, "I've been following you for years and I can't believe you would say this and say that," and it's like, "How have you not known me that well after all this time?" Barnes (37:35):No surprise people. Butch Walker (37:35):Yeah, it's like all of a sudden everyone's completely shocked and appalled that an artist has a different opinion as them. And it's like, that's just the way it's going to be. Butch Walker (37:46):But with Twitter, I just got sick of it. And I was like, "I have 650,000 followers and I'm done." I hit delete and I was out. And also, I just wanted to stop letting it consume me because that shit's a drug and it consumes everybody. I see it. I see it all the day long. Everybody's buried in their phones, posting selfies and pictures of themselves and talking about other things a lot. And I have to do to promote, just like anybody else does, on, say, Instagram or whatever. But, man, I got to say at the end of the day you wake you sometimes and you go, "God, this is so stupid." Leslie (38:25):It's funny that you say that you were mentioning Jason Isbell and I follow Tom Morello and people like that. And when fans get on there and go, "Shut up and sing," I'm like- Butch Walker (38:34):Oh, Jesus Christ. Leslie (38:35):... "What are you talking about? That is ridiculous." So I totally get why you're off of it. I know that I have friends that are totally off Facebook because of the negativity. Butch Walker (38:43):Yeah. Barnes (38:44):People are looser on Twitter. They just say crap- Leslie (38:46):Oh, it's awful. Barnes (38:46):... and they just feel like they can hide. Cubby (38:47):You know, YouTube is bad too. Have you ever read the comments on YouTube? Butch Walker (38:50):Well, yeah. YouTube, to me, they were the original offender, for sure, of trolls, trolls farms. Cubby (38:59):YouTube is a great outlet, don't get me wrong. Butch Walker (39:01):Yeah. Cubby (39:01):But don't read the comments. The first comment will be like, "This song is great," and then 400 people after that will be like, "No, it isn't because this, this, this." Leslie (39:06):Right. Butch Walker (39:07):Oh yeah, yeah. Barnes (39:07):People just love to hate. Yeah. I mean, not everybody but this group of vile troll of people, they just love to hate, and they're going to hate no matter what it is. Butch Walker (39:17):And we grew up in a generation where, for the first half of our life, the Internet didn't exist and people didn't have a voice. Now everybody has a voice and everybody can say whatever the hell they want behind a keyboard with anonymity, that means no repercussions. Butch Walker (39:34):And so, coming up, making music in any kind of art, acting, movies, whatever, people were more reckless, there's was no governor on it, so to speak, because you weren't worried about what people were going to say because really there was no outlet for people to give you their opinion. You had music critics and you had film critics and that was only, like, 10 people, you know? And they didn't really speak for the common listener and the common movie watcher or whatever. Butch Walker (40:13):So now, everyone's a critic and I think they love that. It's a drug to them that they can actually be heard. And that's the other thing too, is on Twitter it was easier for me to engage. It was easier for me to bite back and as you know, I'm kind of a redneck so I bark very hard back. If somebody barks at me, I bark harder. And that's just not productive because that's what they love. They love that they actually... These are people that have been ignored their whole life and all of a sudden they can say something that will trigger you, and then all of a sudden you're engaging and it's a rush for them. They get butterflies in their stomach probably when they're reading and go like, "Oh my god, I actually got to this person. That's amazing. I matter," you know? So I just said, "Fuck all of y'all." Cubby (40:56):And wrote a song, Fuck. Butch Walker (40:57):Yeah, yeah, yeah. Leslie (40:58):I saw that interview you did with our friend Matt Penfield about your all-time favorite albums. We have some of the similar favorite albums, like Elvis Costello My Aim Is True, and Springsteen, Born to Run, Tom Petty. I have been dying to ask you though, because I know how much you love Queen. Butch Walker (41:14):Oh yeah. Leslie (41:14):What did you think of Bohemian Rhapsody, the movie? Butch Walker (41:17):You know what? I was pleasantly surprised because I'm always fearful of seeing music biopics, because even just watching the ones that were made for TV, which were always horrendous growing up, and as a producer and a person who knows my way around my studio and gear, it would drive me crazy to see them in the studio singing into the wrong end of the damn microphone, or something, in a scene. And I'd just be like, "No, the continuity's terrible. This is all wrong. That would never happen." Butch Walker (41:45):But you got to realize that a lot of people, a music lover is just going to watch it and not look for that stuff. So sadly, that ruined me a little bit. But I loved it. I loved it. I thought it was... And I took my son, who loves Queen as well. And by the way, I had nothing to do with that. He discovered it on his own. He's 13. Leslie (42:06):That's awesome. Butch Walker (42:07):And he loves musicals, he loves theater. He's a total theater actor. He's really good. And so, he loves the songs that are obviously way more like cinematic. So Queen, he loves. And so I took him to see it and I was just so pleasantly surprised with it. Obviously Rami Malek was so incredible. Leslie (42:29):So good. Butch Walker (42:29):He was uncanny. Cubby (42:30):So good. Butch Walker (42:31):And I mean, without that, what are you going to do? I couldn't even imagine it been Sacha Baron Cohen, who I love. But I could not have imagined him being Freddie Mercury. Even though he does everything to me great. But Rami Malek was just incredible. I couldn't believe it. And it was so fun to see that. It was all worth it just for the last 20 minutes of the Live Aid show. Leslie (42:53):Absolutely. Butch Walker (42:54):I mean, Jesus, they nailed every aspect of it when you watch it side-by-side. It's so incredible . Barnes (43:01):Butch, I want to ask you a question that not a lot of people can answer. And it's something that I think about, just comes through my brain. And when this happened, I thought about it because knowing you, what is it like to lose almost everything that you have? And I'm talking about the California fires. I can't imagine. Like, I just got chills just saying that. Leslie (43:24):Yes. Barnes (43:24):I can't imagine what that must be like. And it's been years, I know. But still, what is that like? Butch Walker (43:31):Well, you never think it's going to happen to you. And obviously, it's not death but it is some sort of a death. It's not as heavy weighted as a physical person passing. Barnes (43:46):Right. Butch Walker (43:46):But it is a dying of memories and things that you'll never get back that were close to you and were family heirlooms and vintage guitar collection. Barnes (44:00):Ah... Butch Walker (44:00):And my first guitar as a kid that my uncle gave me to learn on, and all these little things. Not to mention, my girl's, like her dad's war medals and burial flag and things like that. I mean, heavy, heavy stuff. Butch Walker (44:18):But after a couple of weeks of grieving and grieving pretty hard, and then having to do all the math and all the accounting of everything gone, that you really come out from going, "You know what? It's all just stuff," and you can literally move on. You can move on. Butch Walker (44:39):And there was a beauty in the load been so lightened that it was like, "Okay, where do we want to go? We can move and live anywhere. We can go anywhere." Barnes (44:49):Wow. Butch Walker (44:50):"We could go live on a farm in Italy if we wanted to. We only have two suitcases to our name." Barnes (44:54):Were you not home when the whole thing started? Butch Walker (44:56):No. Barnes (44:56):So you couldn't salvage anything? Butch Walker (44:58):No. Yeah, it was New York, I was playing two acoustic shows and had my family with me, and my son was only six months old at the time. And so, I came back with literally those two acoustic guitars and two suitcases and that was all we had. Barnes (45:14):How did you find out it was happening? Butch Walker (45:16):My friend Ryan, who is from Atlanta who lives in California now and who actually me with my charity now, he's an incredible human, but he used to come my old band Marvelous Three shows. He would stand outside and wait for me to come out after my shows and talk my head off. And he was just this really hyper, funny kid. Butch Walker (45:36):And I remember he hit me up one time, on a side note here, he hit me up one time online and said, "Hey, I'm thinking about moving to LA to try my hand at being a comedian or an actor." And I said, "Well, you'll be regretting it if you don't, so you should just go. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work out, you should try. You're young." Butch Walker (45:54):Ends up later, I run into him at the grocery store out in Malibu one day. And I was like, "What are you doing?" He said, "Well, I came out here. But it turns out I got a scholarship to Pepperdine University." Barnes (46:05):Wow. Butch Walker (46:05):And so, he rides motorcycles so we started becoming motorcycle buddies and riding all over the place. He's the one who, that morning, I had neighbors that were hitting me up at 5:00 AM West Coast time, and I was in New York, and was walking my son in Union Square. I started getting phone calls and stuff saying, "Dude, are you home? You got to get out. You got to get out," because the hillside was on fire where my house was. And I said, "No, I'm in New York. I mean, I don't know what's going on," but obviously there's a lot of close calls out there and a lot of scares. Butch Walker (46:41):So I did kind of take it with a grain of salt after been out there for only a year that there had been a couple of close calls with the weather. So I hit Ryan up and I said, "Hey man, just in case, will you just go to the house and grab some personals and stuff, just in case and maybe some guitars and some war medals and things like that?" So he dropped everything and went there, and then he called me. And I remember he called me and he was coughing and choking and out of breath. And I was sitting in Union Square at a coffee shop with my kid in a stroller. And he was like, "Man, I tried to get in there. There was a barricade on your street. The cops have blocked it off. I ran over the barricade in my truck." Barnes (47:22):Geez... Butch Walker (47:22):"And went to the house and I was trying to get up there but the smoke was too crazy," and blah-blah-blah. And he goes, "Man, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry." And I was like, "What are you sorry about?" And he goes, "Man, your house, it's just gone. Everything's gone." Barnes (47:33):Oh... Cubby (47:34):Gosh... Butch Walker (47:36):Yeah, and I broke down right there at this coffee shop. And I was like, "God, how am I going to go back to the hotel and tell everybody about this?" And that was the- Barnes (47:46):What a heavy load. Butch Walker (47:47):... longest, longest walk of my life back to the hotel room. Barnes (47:51):Wow. Butch Walker (47:52):It was crazy. It was just a big shock. But anyway, that was the beginning of a beautiful relationship with my buddy Ryan, who is, to this day now, has his White Heart organization that helps amputees, wounded veterans and raises a bunch of money. And now he's working for my pancreatic cancer charity, which is in honor of my late father Big Butch. So it's good, we have a good relationship now. Leslie (48:19):Thank you for that- Barnes (48:19):Man, I'm sorry that happened to you. Leslie (48:22):... thank you for recounting that story. Barnes (48:22):That's heavy. Leslie (48:23):Because I know that's painful. Butch Walker (48:24):No, it's weird. It's been so long, I got to the point where I would just make jokes about it now about, "Oh yeah, I had that guitar. It burned." You know? And I would just make jokes about it. Barnes (48:34):Right. Butch Walker (48:34):But when I tell the story I still get choked up, you know? Leslie (48:36):No, man, we're getting choked up hearing you tell the story. Barnes (48:38):Yeah. Butch Walker (48:39):It's a heavy load, you know, it was heavy thing. Barnes (48:41):Thanks for sharing that. Butch Walker (48:42):But also okay, but you know what? Like you say, it is just stuff. Leslie (48:43):Right, right. Butch Walker (48:46):And I realized, that how important more than anything of having people in your life and having friends was so much more important than having two of everything, and having watches or guitars or motorcycles, or anything like that. None of that stuff mattered if you have no friends and you have no people that love you and have no people that would come to your beck and call. Butch Walker (49:05):And, man, I was overwhelmed with people just coming and saying, "Dude, do you need to borrow," I mean, I had Brendan O'Brien and Michael [Byenhorn 00:49:14] and Jack Joseph Puig and these huge- Leslie (49:17):Wow. Butch Walker (49:17):... producers all coming to me and going like, "Dude, I couldn't imagine if that happened to me. If you need any of my gear, if you need to borrow anything, it's yours. You can have it as long as you want." Butch Walker (49:25):Had people showing up with clothes and stuff, and I was like, "Man, I don't even have... I'm okay financially at that point. I actually don't need this stuff but I can't believe people would reach out to do that." Although I did take some of the clothes because I was wearing the same pants that I came home. Cubby (49:42):God... Butch Walker (49:42):I only took one pair of jeans with me to New York, and I wore those until I couldn't wear them anymore. So it was nice to have, shows you have important family and friends are. Leslie (49:53):Absolutely. Butch Walker (49:54):Yes. Cubby (49:54):Well, Butch, on a much lighter note, let's talk about right now as we speak, I know you're in a dark basement. You're probably in your studio with your studio gear all around you. Are you currently producing something right now? What are you doing right now? Butch Walker (50:05):Yeah, it's been surprisingly very active this year. I've done a lot of records this year. And even during lockdown I've been finishing up on a few records that were needing to get done that I worked on before. Everybody had to stay out of the studio. So I mean, I was lucky enough to get the new Green Day record out before all the lockdown happened. And it went to number one and I couldn't have been happier about that because that was a labor of love, working on that record with those guys. Butch Walker (50:37):And then, after that I had a couple of other records here in the pipeline that I've done, which I guess I could go ahead and let the cat out of the bag on the ones I'm working on because they're not going to be out for a minute now that we're in a pandemic but they are coming out. Barnes (50:53):Scoop. Butch Walker (50:54):So I just finished a record for Jewel. Barnes (50:56):Oh... Butch Walker (50:56):Which is an amazing record. Nothing like she's ever done before. Leslie (51:00):Love Jewel. Barnes (51:01):She's former top fiver. Butch Walker (51:03):She's incredible. Still should be. Barnes (51:07):Yeah, she's gorgeous. Butch Walker (51:08):Yours. And then just did a new record for the Wallflowers. Leslie (51:12):Oh, that's awesome. Butch Walker (51:13):Which is incredible as well. I'm super proud of that one. Finishing up a Matt Nathanson record which is very good. Love that guy and love this record. Barnes (51:22):Hold on, back up to Wallflowers. Butch Walker (51:24):Yeah, yeah, yeah. Barnes (51:26):There's such a unique sound that they have. What are you doing to them? Don't mess with that. Butch Walker (51:29):Nope. Barnes (51:30):Don't mess with that. Butch Walker (51:30):No, dude, you think Jacob would let me? Barnes (51:34):True. Butch Walker (51:35):He's one of the rare instances, and he and I have been friends for years. And you know, it's funny, that dates back to our first time meeting each other, Leslie, was at the Christmas show that I came in last minute with Marvelous Three to take the place of Vertical Horizon for the Christmas show. Leslie (51:50):Yeah. Butch Walker (51:50):When they canceled last minute. Leslie (51:53):I remember that. Butch Walker (51:53):And it was us and the Wallflowers on the bill. And we played, and the Wallflowers, of course, they were scheduled to headline. I remember Jacob, that was the first time that I met him because when we got offstage he came up to me and he goes, "You mean we have to go on now after that?" Because we were whatever, we were so crazy and hyper and put on a high-energy show. Barnes (52:16):And he's so chill. Butch Walker (52:17):He's so chill. Barnes (52:18):He is so chill... Butch Walker (52:18):But you know what? He lets the songs do the talking. Barnes (52:21):Yeah. Butch Walker (52:21):And I learned a lesson from that too, of like, "I need to try to aspire to write songs as good as this guy can write." And I'm telling you, he still writes them just as good. Barnes (52:30):He's so good. I love them. Butch Walker (52:32):We've all become close, all of our families have become super close, vacation together throughout the years, that he finally asked me, and I never pushed it because I was like, "One day, that dude needs to ask me to make a damn record for him, and I'm never going to,"... I don't push it on people, you know? Barnes (52:47):You're like, "Hey, I produce, by the way." Butch Walker (52:49):Yeah, no, and he knows. But he always has said, he's like, "You know, we could never work together professionally because you just would not want to be my friend anymore." And so, he finally said, "I want you to make a new Wallflowers record." I said, "Let's go." Leslie (53:01):Of course. Yeah, I love the Weezer record you did too. Butch Walker (53:05):Oh, man, we had a fun time doing that too. Leslie (53:08):It's funny, I think I remember texting this to you several years ago, but we did a Crossroads at CMT with Fallout Boy. Butch Walker (53:15):Oh yeah. Leslie (53:15):And talking to those guys about you. And they were like, "Yeah, we were kind of punks and Butch set us straight," but they basically said when you do a record with Butch Walker, you're suddenly cooler. Butch Walker (53:27):That's funny to me, but I mean, I love hearing that obviously. But it's certainly... I don't know if that's true. I think we just had such an chemistry between me and Pat and Pete, and they had such an interesting Elton John-Bernie Taupin thing going where all the lyrics were written by the bass player who doesn't sing a lick, and all the songs are written and composed by the singer who doesn't write lyrics. But, man, what a combination. So super fun to work with and I love those guys so much. Barnes (53:59):Can you please just mix our podcast so we can put on there mixed by Butch Walker? Butch Walker (54:04):Sure. Barnes (54:04):I'm going to send you the files. Butch Walker (54:06):Sure. Barnes (54:07):And then all of a sudden Rolling Stone's going to say, "From Taylor Swift to the Pop Culture Show, Butch Walker." I think that'd be so funny. Leslie (54:13):You know, Butch, I was telling Barnes about last year at the Pilgrimage Festival, which one of my favorite festivals. It was the last time I got to see you live. But your live show is in the top five for me of all live shows. Butch Walker (54:26):Oh... Leslie (54:26):And we all go see a lot of- Barnes (54:28):So much energy. Leslie (54:29):... it's unbelievable. You're up there, for me, with Soundgarden and Rage Against The Machine, but the energy... But a lot of people go to concerts and it's like a social event but when they go see Butch Walker, your fans are with you from beginning to end. And you look out into the crowd and it's people of all ages. What is happening in your mind when you are onstage? Because you go somewhere else. Butch Walker (54:51):I do. And thank you for the kind words. I mean, I just love playing and performing and getting out all of my aggressions and sadness and madness and everything that happens throughout the day. All the bullshit. You get 30 minutes to two-and-a-half hours depending on what I'm doing, headlining or opening, to just get it all out. And it's therapy. And even if I'm playing to an audience that I don't know I love the challenge of trying to just get them engaged, and I love when I play to my group of people, people that come see me play my own shows. Man, why would I not want to connect with them? Why would we not want to make this fun for each other. Butch Walker (55:40):And I grew up on those kind of artists, I grew up on those performers. I mean, Springsteen and Petty and Freddie Mercury and all these artists that were the best showmen and were able to capture everyone from the first note to the last, and never let go. And that's performing and that's a show to me. Not just going through the motions of playing the songs. Leslie (56:09):Yeah, definitely like a Springsteen concert. Barnes (56:12):Yeah, your talent is, I mean, we're not just blowing smoke. I mean, so many years and so many gigs we've been to. It's unbelievable who much energy you have and how much of a connection. I mean, there were several women this group that I bumped into who've been in Atlanta for years. And they said, "Who's on your show this week?" I said, "Butch Walker." They stopped in their tracks. They were like, "You've got Butch on?" Cubby (56:32):Well, that's because Butch marries people at his shows. Butch Walker (56:35):I have. Leslie (56:36):That's true. Butch Walker (56:36):I actually... Cubby (56:37):You jumped offstage one time and married a couple in a crowd. I heard about it. Butch Walker (56:40):I'm indoctrinated. Yes, I've actually gotten in several states. Barnes (56:43):Yes. Love that. Butch Walker (56:44):And whenever somebody hits me up and they say, "Hey, could you, we've been,"... And it's always about their story. It's like, "Oh, we've been fans of yours since we were 15 and we meet at your show and now we're getting married. Would you officiate it?" And I'm like, "Oh hell, yeah. Are you kidding me?" Barnes (57:02):Internet Jesus. Butch Walker (57:03):Yeah... Totally. Barnes (57:05):Love it. Butch Walker (57:05):Totally. I actually said I would do- Barnes (57:07):All right, Butch. Butch Walker (57:07):... an entire tour that way, you know? Barnes (57:08):That would hysterical. Butch, thank you so much for taking the time to come on with us. It was fun. We're going to have to do a second part of this- Leslie (57:14):Yeah. Barnes (57:14):... some day because there's so much. Leslie (57:16):We could talk to you for hours. Barnes (57:17):We could talk about. Butch Walker (57:17):I could talk to you guys for hours. You guys rule. Thank you so much, and what a great chance to catch up with all of you. Barnes (57:22):So awesome- Leslie (57:22):We're definitely going to do it again. Barnes (57:23):... to hear and see you. Cubby (57:25):Thank you, Butch. Butch Walker (57:25):Thank you. Barnes (57:26):Thank you. That's it for the Pop Culture Show. We'll see you next week. Barnes (57:32):(singing)  
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