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our thirty first, we're talking. we're talking

3:35

Groundhog Day, a movie that's always been

3:37

close to my heart. As someone who

3:39

grew up just outside Chicago, you know

3:41

this movie is predominately filmed just outside

3:43

Chicago in Woodstock, Illinois. That was maybe.

3:46

The top trivia just point walking around

3:48

for everybody that I grew up with.

3:50

Would stop is about thirty minutes from

3:52

my house. Drove through downtown Woodstock a

3:54

lot. saw the Town Square Woodstock Jewelers

3:56

I think you can see in the

3:58

background of the movie. Ah so

4:00

gonna Days always been. A

4:03

top of mind for me but I don't know

4:05

that I necessarily. hello. My shortlist for for perfect

4:07

clubs have this is would you floated to us

4:09

He said hey you guys want to hop on

4:11

Talk about Groundhog Day, Why did you are? Why

4:14

did you do that with why was a stop

4:16

a month for it Will you know Thirty years

4:18

since his movie came out and I think or

4:20

thirty years as a good time to sir see

4:23

what comedy's have held up and were copies of

4:25

Sir Disappeared into the ether? This will be. I

4:27

think it's really fascinating and brilliant because they walk

4:29

such a fine line between. Being. Something

4:32

that makes you laugh and also something that

4:34

makes you think about this sort of strange

4:36

existential journey that to. Phil. Connors

4:38

is gone on. I mean I this will

4:40

be came out I was fifteen would he

4:42

would do you guys remember seeing it. I

4:45

remember my mom does a pretty they can't

4:47

write of the the grossed one hundred million

4:49

dollars and pretty widespread acclaim and my mom

4:51

hated this movie. And. Sausages

4:53

or member in. I'll start, you're

4:55

probably to a slightly young into

4:58

poverty got like seven, too young

5:00

to really understand a lot of

5:02

the deeper ah, teens and young

5:04

existential stuff within. I also like

5:07

to point out is clearly a

5:09

very Midwestern movie ah Southern woodstock,

5:11

Illinois set you know, east as

5:13

of Pittsburgh, then Punxsutawney. As

5:16

well. So in his just just one of

5:18

the toilet in there ya go. They found

5:20

a a good Midway. Glenda localities really capture

5:22

the to the heart and soul of people.

5:24

Punxsutawney. I want to point out Stevo did

5:26

He requested a minute. But one of the

5:28

main gripes as I got up early this

5:30

morning around. you know I I got a

5:32

brand six six thirty this morning. He classically

5:34

wakes up at six o'clock every your fucking

5:37

dark. It is in the Midwest. At six

5:39

o'clock a fat is. The biggest gripe is

5:41

Hop. Really? Is that a failed? Just I

5:43

know it's clearly like ten Am every day.

5:45

What if what? He wakes up it's

5:47

make so that was an is you

5:49

I've never consider that is that is

5:51

clear bullshit. It's like I woke up

5:53

this morning pitch black at six six

5:56

am. Definitely got to see get depressed

5:58

role want a job duo? After

6:00

with a toaster real quick of everyday

6:02

was fucking a blaze. Definitely a flawed

6:04

whole just like and in a whole

6:06

life having wedding. we have a mayocoba.

6:08

Outstanding mayocoba from the home alone. Perfect.

6:10

Club that we did of for the

6:13

holidays with Claire. Ah, were innocent The

6:15

somebody says the most obvious plot hole

6:17

in this movie is them Beaten the

6:19

Mcallister family flying to Paris on a

6:22

ten Am floats. folks. That

6:24

would that would never in a

6:26

million years exist in any era

6:29

or airline, even even of. Are

6:31

you know the. flunkies, At

6:33

Americanairlines would would have not done that

6:36

for anyone and I don't have realized

6:38

the crowd for you to see that

6:40

there's no other suited noticed. I know

6:42

more the know every that gotta do

6:44

like good idea raiders of Yeah but

6:46

it's also why other reasons I wanted

6:48

a picket as because in a Bill

6:50

Murray Harold Ramis to the most I

6:52

think important comedic influences of my generation

6:55

of your guys generation if I guess

6:57

suffer. Of several generations. Hard to

6:59

tell sometimes I just think like I

7:01

had never really knew and solicited. Like

7:03

researching. This I do that they had

7:06

been estranged by did not know that this

7:08

movie was the source of their estrangement that

7:10

they basically did not speak for like thirty

7:12

years till out after this. Unit

7:15

to shed some light on that. there's and

7:17

color on why that is for people that

7:19

don't know. So gonna do you have to

7:21

kind of bring down some of the basics

7:23

is it came out night ninety Three as

7:26

directed by Harold Ramis who you may remember

7:28

from he was he gone from Ghostbusters for

7:30

not familiar. Also know was a National Lampoon

7:32

Stripes be balls Submit a movie called Caddyshack

7:34

to people probably because directly at my if

7:37

your listeners podcast have. To. Assume that

7:39

you'd of America has x the grow outline

7:41

for Groundhog Day sort of thumb is kind

7:43

of based on and or I've read this

7:45

last night and old Nietzsche like thing about

7:47

a man is forced to live out his

7:49

day over and over again. I was. It

7:52

was originally drawn up a screenplay by a

7:54

guy named Danny Rubin and day or even

7:56

came to Ramus with the script and and

7:58

Ramus was like okay these. On your

8:00

Knees be funnier And I think Bill Murray

8:02

would be a great god to be involved

8:04

in. An and Murray was like know it,

8:06

it's darker, it's be more central and slowly

8:08

over the course of the filming. Like

8:11

Murray would. parents called Ramis who'd been his buddies

8:13

since he was literally like sixteen growing up in

8:16

Chicago and doing second city comedy stuff. but like

8:18

to three in the morning be like yo got

8:20

a big the script like darker. it's gotta be

8:22

really like really angsty and not as you

8:24

know and Ramis was like node being the guy

8:27

who had a deal studios all the time as

8:29

I could. you know they really wanted to be

8:31

like a comedy like were kind of like slapstick

8:33

comedy guys and so that. Creative.

8:36

Like push pull just continued to grow throughout

8:38

the course the film to the point where

8:40

at the end Murray was basically never even

8:43

said anything in even even Tell Remus will

8:45

like. What? He was mad about but he

8:47

kind of business shudder at l Re Miss out of

8:49

his life. Forever. Until like

8:51

Remus was on his deathbed. had like

8:53

eight sixty six. So because like a

8:55

sad thing is like the quotes in

8:58

The Will Serve Other time the New

9:00

Yorker profile years later of our Ramus

9:02

and Is David room and said it

9:04

was like two brothers who weren't getting

9:06

along. They're pretty far apart. What the

9:08

movie was bout. Bill wanted to be

9:10

more philosophical. Harold kept reminding him it

9:12

was a comedy, the same profile how

9:15

Rams lamented. At times Bill was just

9:17

really irrational and mean and unavailable. He

9:19

was constantly late onset. And

9:21

I would say what I'd say to him is

9:23

what we tell our children don't have to throw

9:25

tantrums to get with the watch, just say what

9:27

you want He later told the Ab Club Bill

9:29

Murray like he's a very private person. He doesn't

9:31

do serious interviews a once in a while. He's

9:33

not very self revealing, but the most silva reeling

9:35

thing I ever saw was that he would never.

9:38

Does. Anything you never done the press or

9:40

publicly it was later movies like Lost in Translation

9:42

or Rushmore those movies candidates defined side of him

9:44

the public was not aware of. If you think

9:46

if you look at his career he got tired

9:49

of being is crazy life for the party guy

9:51

that's quite the low to carry any carried it

9:53

a bunch of times successfully he just didn't wanna

9:55

do it anymore. I think that like this movie

9:57

was sort of the beginning of that train. like

10:01

transformation film Brumlery. Like we wouldn't have

10:03

gotten like life aquatic, we wouldn't have

10:05

gotten Rushmore, we would have gotten you

10:07

know those later movies

10:09

lost translation if it

10:11

wasn't for Groundhog Day. So that was a

10:13

good kind of way to look back as

10:16

a like transformational moment in comedy. There are

10:18

certain glimpses of that where like that push-pull

10:20

where you know in certain scenes where you

10:22

just see, God he wants to dig deeper

10:24

and deeper into this but he really can't.

10:27

Yeah it's like you've definitely been typecast up

10:29

to that point. Like my wife's favorite movie

10:31

ever is What About Bob and that was

10:33

the movie he did prior

10:35

to this one. I gotta watch What About

10:37

Bob. Maybe there's a perfect club to do

10:39

What About Bob. I've seen it like probably

10:42

30 years ago but I really don't remember

10:44

much about it other than the clown stuff

10:46

and Geeta Davis and all that. There

10:48

might be a Richard Dreyfus perfect club. I might

10:51

need to just do a complete

10:53

you know completist Richard Dreyfus. And

10:55

you're all in. Exactly.

10:58

I think there's a

11:00

there's a couple interesting things about the Bill

11:03

Murray Harold Reimas stuff which number

11:05

one I know through reading it like Bill

11:07

was going through divorce at the time as well and

11:09

so I think he had a lot going on just

11:11

like in his life probably quote-unquote

11:14

off the golf course. But

11:16

I think what's what's

11:18

kind of like hard to ignore is just

11:20

the message of this movie right and like

11:22

the way that he just seemingly paralleled

11:25

like the first 25 minutes

11:27

of his character. It's like dog did you not

11:29

read the end of the script like like

11:32

just stop stop just like blowing people up for no

11:34

reason. I think that's like the whole point like be

11:36

nice to Chris Elliott you know be nice to be

11:39

nice to the guys. That's an interesting tale. I didn't think about

11:41

that. Yeah I think

11:43

that's kind of the kind of the whole point

11:45

of the movie maybe. There was a great anecdote

11:47

Kevin one of the the pieces you shared about

11:49

Michael Shannon I had a real like Leo

11:52

on the couch pointing at the

11:54

TV moment when when Michael Shannon

11:56

who was in he's in the shape of

11:58

water he's in like every movie in the last 15 years

12:02

came on. I think this was his first role. He

12:04

was the, uh, the guy who was

12:06

getting cold feet or his wife was getting cold feet,

12:08

uh, you know, on their wedding day. And

12:11

there was a great story about how he was super

12:13

nervous to talk to Bill Murray, tried to talk to

12:15

him about the talking heads and Murray just absolutely eviscerated

12:17

and would just blew him up for no reason. Harold

12:19

Ramis went to go, made him go apologize

12:22

that that made it even worse. Like he

12:24

just, he got even meaner after that. So

12:26

yeah, again, it's hard to hard to not

12:28

point out that like, man,

12:30

the end of the movie I think is,

12:32

is kind of your playbook here. I've, I've

12:34

always been really like reticent about ever meeting

12:36

Bill Murray and like kind of didn't want

12:38

to do it just because I didn't ever

12:40

want to have like this person who I'd

12:42

built up in my mind kind of ruin,

12:44

but TC, like you have interacted with Bill,

12:46

Bill Murray. What has that been like in

12:49

your actual like, you know, golfing? Yeah, it's,

12:51

uh, I was kind of anticipating the same

12:53

thing, especially someone who, you know, at various

12:55

times through the golfing lens has

12:57

talked shit about Bill Murray. Can we, have we

12:59

ever told that story like front to back? No,

13:01

I don't think we have. Sure. Maybe we have,

13:03

but it bears repeating because. Solley.

13:06

So we're, we're at a hoopy match

13:08

club. Uh, one of these,

13:10

these sweet invitation. Yeah.

13:13

And, uh, just bill happened to be

13:15

at this event and I'm

13:17

kind of standing in for solid here, cause I

13:20

was not involved in this story, but, uh, Solley's

13:22

talking to him, chatting him up at the bar

13:24

and kind of saying like, you

13:26

know, Oh, Hey, you're you're playing with my guy

13:28

Tron tomorrow, my business partner. Like he's got all

13:30

this like crazy shit going on. Cause this is

13:32

when Tron was playing left-handed for the year. He's

13:35

like, he's doing it all year after lefty, I think. Oh,

13:38

maybe that's what it was, but he was still, he

13:40

was still telling him. That's right. Cause it was, it

13:43

was maybe just after that or something. And so solid

13:45

is like, Hey, you know, make sure you ask him

13:47

about like all this crazy stuff he does, you know,

13:49

he'll play lefty for a while. He does all this

13:51

crazy fashion stuff. You know, like he's just,

13:53

he's a total character. Like make sure you ask him about all

13:55

this stuff and build like, Oh, okay, great. And

13:57

Tron comes over like 10 minutes later.

14:00

And Tron is just like,

14:02

it has built up in his head, please correct me

14:04

if I'm wrong, that they must be

14:06

over there talking about how Tron has like

14:08

shit on Bill Murray and the AT&T Pebble

14:10

Beach Pro-Am for years. Just saying

14:13

this guy's a clown. Yeah, this guy

14:15

needs to get, you know, he's, we're done with his shtick.

14:18

His shtick at the Pro-Am.

14:20

Yeah, I'll let you take it from there. Yeah,

14:22

I'd kind of come into this event with

14:24

like, you know, I'd had a really, really

14:26

long couple weeks at home. It

14:29

was like right after Thanksgiving and I was

14:31

worn out from the kids and everything. And

14:35

so we get to a hoopy and, you know, I look

14:37

at the board and it's like, all right, I'm playing, I'm

14:39

playing with Julie Dunn, the first match and Bill Murray, the

14:41

second match. I

14:44

was ready to just kind of check out for a

14:46

couple days and not have to like be on point.

14:48

You're just a gadfly, you know, just bouncing your way

14:50

through the world. Yeah,

14:54

and so I'm thinking about this and I'm like, oh

14:56

God, like how, you know, like I'm going to have

14:58

to acknowledge it. Like he, like there's no way he

15:00

has any idea, but, you know, I'm going to have

15:02

to acknowledge it. So then, so then Solly, I walk

15:04

up and Solly's like, oh yeah, TC, I was

15:07

telling him all about you and like your past

15:09

and stuff like that. So I just assumed that,

15:12

you know, he was talking about all this stuff. And

15:14

then, yeah, he was like, what do you, he was

15:16

like, oh man, like, well, so he takes it on

15:18

the chin. He's like, yeah,

15:20

I've, you know, I've been talking shit. You know, I think, I think you're

15:22

saying it's like a little prior. And

15:25

Bill's like, what are you talking

15:27

about? He's like, we're just having a beer. He's

15:30

just telling me what you play left. Oh yeah.

15:32

Yeah. No, that's it. And

15:34

then we went out and like, we had an unbelievably

15:37

great time and couldn't have been more like,

15:39

I thought Bill was going to be super

15:42

tired of being Bill Murray or just very,

15:45

very kind of frosty and, you know,

15:47

kind of gruff. And

15:49

he couldn't have been more engaging and switched on

15:51

and like, you know, asked

15:53

me a bunch of questions. Like, we

15:55

had spoken at dinner the night before and he

15:58

was like, like, you don't project your. voice

16:00

and then I started talking about stuttering when

16:02

I was little and still do sometimes and

16:04

he's like you know took me aside after

16:06

lunch that day and was like hey here's

16:08

here's the name of this institute in the

16:10

in the Orkney Islands uh

16:13

in Scotland this lady uh

16:15

link later she I think she's since passed

16:17

away but she's got this institute up there

16:19

they helped me out so much early on

16:21

in my Saturday Night Live days of projecting

16:24

my voice and making it so that you

16:26

feel like someone is is speaking

16:29

from their soul or from

16:31

their diaphragm instead of just

16:33

from their throat and

16:35

uh yeah like he was he was unbelievable and

16:37

then we leave and

16:40

he's he's pulled over

16:42

in his s600 like v12 or

16:44

satan's bend I think him and Cohen were

16:46

driving back to charleston he's pulled over on

16:48

the side of the road with that and

16:50

he's pumping up his tires with a bicycle

16:52

pump because

16:55

he's had a leak in his tire for like years

16:57

but he just refuses to get it fixed he just

16:59

travels with a bike pump instead yeah that's incredible I

17:01

actually had forgotten ways you were telling the story I

17:03

have met bill murray at the 2016 rider

17:05

cup I was following the

17:08

spieth uh patrick reid and

17:10

then stinson and uh justin

17:12

rose match and bill you

17:14

know had gotten like an inside the ropes pass

17:16

or whatever from the pga of america and you

17:19

know when those things like there's only so many people back

17:21

then at least were like inside the ropes and so

17:23

you're kind of moving all the same time with the same

17:25

people and so like for like two hours bill

17:27

and I were sort of like you know kneeling down next

17:30

to each other and I didn't want to like be like

17:32

hey bill murray like big big fan so I just wanted

17:34

to kind of play it cool and we

17:36

kind of had this like unspoken thing between us it was

17:38

like like hey man am I blocking

17:40

your view like can you see whatever and it was

17:42

really like almost like oh man this is cool like

17:45

I'm being so cool because bill doesn't like you know

17:47

I'm not acknowledging that it's bill fucking murray and he

17:49

was always like oh are you are you good can

17:51

you get the shot here and stuff and I remember

17:53

spieth walked by him at one point in

17:55

speed that hit like a shitty shitty drive and he said

17:57

I'm playing like a little boy bill I am just playing

18:00

playing like a little boy. And Murray was like,

18:02

Oh, yeah, yeah. Very

18:05

excited. I tried not to like talk to him

18:07

at all about his career, like just kind of

18:09

like go with the flow or whatever. And he

18:11

brought up certain stuff. And then he was doing

18:13

little bits all day. Or

18:15

you know, little things of like, Oh, you hit

18:17

that same one on three, like unbelievable, man. And

18:20

he was kind of acting almost like

18:22

that final, like that final 20 or 30

18:25

minutes where he's just, you know, like he

18:27

walks into the halfway house and gives the

18:29

lady a big hug and she hands him

18:31

a rum and like, knows everyone in the

18:33

whole joint. And we go in and we

18:35

barbecue and fried chicken afterwards. And he's like,

18:37

this is the best fried chicken I've ever

18:39

had in my life. And he stands up

18:42

and he gives the lady a kiss on

18:44

the cheek. It was awesome. It

18:46

was just like joyful. I

18:49

was gonna say, I think the the circling

18:52

it back to the movie a little bit like, Kev, you

18:54

know, I'm sure you were, you were very cool

18:56

and totally pulling it off. You know, who probably

18:59

wasn't doing that is every other person on the

19:01

grounds at that golf tournament. Because like, when you

19:04

do go to Pebble and you do go see

19:06

how it looks and how every square inch of

19:08

that place is full of like, people just waiting

19:10

for him to look over at them and like

19:12

do a bit or make a funny face or

19:15

whatever truly can't imagine how exhausting that is. So

19:17

while, you know, you can't really forgive being

19:20

a dick to Michael Shannon

19:22

necessarily for for no reason, I get

19:25

the, you know, the fatigue

19:27

of kind of being slapstick, you know, Ghostbusters

19:29

guy forever. And so I think there is

19:31

trying to you said it, but like, there's

19:33

a lot of that stuff that comes through

19:35

in this movie in a really, really interesting

19:37

way that I don't know would have

19:40

been great if it was somebody else, right? Like I think

19:42

he's, he's almost kind of made

19:45

to made to play this role. I think I read

19:47

something that Tom Hanks was gonna do it. But like,

19:49

they thought he was too nice, which I think is

19:51

fair, because I think those guys are, you

19:53

know, they kind of get propped up as like

19:55

the two everyman, everyman

19:57

actors. There

20:00

anyone else you could really picture in this role?

20:04

I mean. Maybe. Like

20:06

Jim Carrey like run remake kind of thing

20:08

later in life like someone who can

20:10

play it straight but also have the kind

20:12

of undertones of humor come through. But

20:14

it's it's a very short list and I

20:17

don't know. like just they're talking about

20:19

last I after we watch the movie

20:21

again and it was like what if you

20:23

remade this today? like who plays this

20:25

because it's probably going to be like you

20:27

know, Ryan Reynolds or they are or

20:29

of Ryan Gosling or someone who's like clearly

20:32

the most attractive person you've ever. Seen

20:34

but they're trying to make him seem. Like in every

20:36

man type of type. a guy that's got that weird

20:38

undertone to it in an i don't know. Bill Murray's

20:40

just kind of the yeah, That.

20:43

Didn't make my dad anymore as and

20:45

you see, ah, Adam Sandler doing it.

20:48

Since really me but Adam Silver Lake even in

20:50

his like semi serious things as always sort of

20:53

a your think like every other one's gonna because

20:55

you have added were doing that you know? Yeah

20:57

and for me like Adam Sandler can't quite. Cross.

21:00

That threshold of like know this is a good

21:02

gonna be this or maybe the straight man. I'm

21:04

a the sort of sarcastic or wise cracker and

21:06

when he does kind of go into serious mode,

21:09

it's much more like punch drunk love or something

21:11

like that that it was like know, it's like

21:13

psychotic. It's not like, you know, Kind. Of

21:15

middle age Malays midlife crisis. the way Bill

21:17

Murray doesn't allow these things, it's much more

21:19

like disguise on his city might break the

21:21

window Will prayer Point is like I was

21:23

thinking is it possible that will never see

21:25

like another movie star that looks like Bill

21:27

Murray again? Like you're right, if they cast

21:29

as today the studio would one hundred percent

21:31

be like where we we got. I'm Ryan

21:34

Reynolds Like we got Alec a really good

21:36

looking guy in this role and like. They.

21:38

are a bill murray's not like an ugly guy

21:40

but i don't think he's like a handsome guy

21:42

he's just sort of this bill murray and so

21:45

like a guy who like we have caught the

21:47

ball like doesn't have the like the best skin

21:49

is just sort of his his charm is what

21:51

really makes him kind of handsome it did he

21:53

did strike me last night think watching it like

21:56

a service throwback to a different time it's like

21:58

you could ever make seinfeld today because no

22:00

one ever believed that Jason Alexander would date like

22:02

a ton of beautiful women. For the same reason

22:04

that Bill Murray can't be like the lead of

22:06

your movie. Yeah, I

22:09

think it's interesting. There's a lot of, yeah,

22:12

there's a lot to pull on, I think. Where if

22:15

you did make this again, like a

22:17

lot of it comes back to just like how broad something

22:19

like this has to be. Which is kind of what I

22:21

love about it, is that this is kind of the first

22:23

thing you mentioned, Kev. But it's like, it

22:26

is a really broad comedy that's, I

22:28

watched, this movie has just always existed.

22:30

I know I'm older than this movie,

22:33

but as far as I'm concerned,

22:35

it's existed forever. I don't know what life is like

22:37

without this movie. I didn't realize that the term Groundhog

22:39

Day was

22:43

associated with this movie. I thought the term Groundhog,

22:45

like it feels like Groundhog Day, just

22:48

meant that's been a saying

22:51

in perpetuity. I didn't realize. Yeah,

22:54

no, exactly. And so I think

22:57

where I'm kind of

22:59

going with that is, I love movies

23:01

where they can shoehorn

23:04

these really big existential ideas

23:06

into super, super broad comedies.

23:09

I think a lot of the John Hughes stuff is

23:11

like that, and Breakfast Club's kind of like that. Things

23:14

like that are great. But right now,

23:16

I don't think you'd ever make something like this broad.

23:19

So I was thinking about, again, if

23:21

you're making something like this, it's

23:23

probably more like a Alex

23:25

Garland sci-fi, like Hulu limited

23:27

series that's like dark as

23:30

fuck. And it might have

23:32

like a totally normal looking Paul

23:34

Giamatti type of guy in

23:36

it. But it

23:38

turns into more of like an art house thing.

23:41

Like I think about like just movies I've seen

23:43

recently, like Dream Scenario was the Nick Cage movie

23:45

that came out this year. And it's like got

23:47

some of the kind of same undertones of this

23:49

and Nick Cage just is a very

23:51

normal look and dude in it. But like, you

23:54

know, there's not, that movie's not gonna make

23:56

like $200 million or $400 million. Which I think

23:58

that's part of the thing. weird side

24:01

art project. None of the studios,

24:03

it doesn't seem like there's an appetite to make movies

24:05

like this anymore where the movie

24:07

make it 75

24:10

to 125 million dollars and it's not like it's

24:12

so binary now. It's either a fucking

24:15

blockbuster half a billion dollar win or

24:17

it's a total failure. Nick Cage with

24:19

the Family Man is kind of a

24:23

parallel to this a little bit, right? Like

24:26

much darker but and without the comedy.

24:30

Right. It seems like this type

24:32

of stuff like more of this type of stuff

24:34

gets made. It just gets seen by like so

24:36

many fewer people, right? Because there's so

24:38

many more avenues for this stuff to get made but it

24:40

gets it seems like it just gets pushed

24:42

so far to the extremes where like

24:45

it is an extremely dark story.

24:47

It has a lot of like super dark

24:50

undertones. Like we don't know how many hundred

24:52

times he just kills himself in this movie

24:54

for instance and he digs deep into the

24:57

nihilistic stuff and there's just a lot of a lot

24:59

of really bleak stuff in there and it just seems

25:01

like if this was a limited

25:03

series or whatever like that would be the the

25:05

core of it. I would have to think it

25:07

would be much more you

25:09

know, like like Yeah,

25:12

something that gets pushed way darker whereas if

25:14

you're in this system where you have to

25:17

make stuff really broad like you almost you

25:19

know, it gives you more license to kind

25:21

of have a Filmoray

25:23

type Character in there. Whereas if it

25:25

had to be broad now, it would just be someone that

25:28

looks totally different I think you know, so

25:30

you're a blockbuster Did you guys see John Mulaney's comment at

25:32

the word show the other night? So Angela

25:34

Bassett was nominated for an Oscar in a

25:36

from a Marvel movie. He's like from a

25:39

Marvel movie That's like winning a Pulitzer Prize

25:41

for a reddit comment I

25:46

Think John Mulaney should host all shows or

25:49

all the word shows from now on a lot Deidre

25:51

as a music guy. I know that you I want

25:53

you to think hard about this if

25:55

you had to wake up every day Potentially for you

25:57

know, you know hundreds of years or thousands of years

26:00

to one song as Phil

26:02

wakes up every day to Sonny and Cher's I Got

26:04

You Babe, what would your song be if you could

26:06

choose? So I think there's a very

26:08

important distinction here because he it's

26:10

not the beginning of the song so I think

26:13

the natural inclination is like okay what's what beginning

26:15

of the song like do I really like what's

26:17

the first you know 20 30 seconds

26:19

of a song but he wakes up like right in the middle

26:21

of the song so you don't really know what you're gonna what

26:24

you're gonna get. I think

26:27

a song man I don't know I've been listening to

26:29

a lot of Steely Dan in spite of Randy lately.

26:31

Oh my gosh. Too spite Randy? Yes, sorry yes too

26:35

spite Randy. I don't yeah

26:38

I don't think it's had any impact on him

26:40

necessarily but I feel good doing it. A

26:42

song like Gaucho just makes me laugh out loud every time

26:44

I hear it I don't know if it would last for

26:46

a hundred years but I'm gonna say

26:48

Kev there's a you know just going back to the

26:50

you don't know what part of the song you're gonna get

26:53

there's a song by Yes called Starship Trooper that

26:55

if I got to pick a section of the

26:57

song I think that the build towards the back

27:00

third of that song right as it's about to

27:02

hit the solo I think is it I don't

27:04

think I'd ever get tired of that but what

27:06

about you? I'd have to it

27:08

have to be something that was sort of inoffensive like

27:11

I I'll get we'll

27:13

get to our worst song that we could

27:15

possibly wake up to in a second but

27:17

I would say something like New Slang by

27:19

the Shins like something sort of melodic and

27:21

slow and sort of because there's gonna be

27:23

some mornings when I'm just like absolutely you

27:26

know want to go jump in the

27:28

you know in the canyon and kill

27:30

myself immediately and if it's like walking

27:33

on sunshine or something that's gonna it's gonna

27:35

be a bad bad 10,000 years

27:37

that I have to spend in purgatory. TC what

27:39

would yours be? Yeah I was thinking about that

27:41

I'm like what's something that's breezy but also you

27:44

could take it a number of different ways.

27:46

I think wasted away in Margaritaville. That's a

27:48

good one or a bad one? I think

27:51

it would be a good one just because

27:53

like you know you can almost come to

27:55

resent it some days of like it's you

27:57

know it's a little bit like yeah I'm

27:59

fucking waiting. You're looking for your lost shaker song.

28:03

Exactly. It's kind of, you know, kind

28:05

of parallels here. And

28:08

then worst song would probably be,

28:10

like it's my least favorite song that's

28:12

ever been released. That goatee

28:14

song. Someone that

28:17

I used to know. That

28:19

song, every time it comes on, it's Nails on

28:22

the Chalkboard. I was in the dentist office yesterday

28:24

and that song came on and I just, I

28:26

wanted to like run out of the building. It's

28:29

awful. Listen, there's some story about Kobe Bryant listening to

28:32

that like over and over. Am I getting that wrong?

28:34

I swear to God, there's some Kobe connection to that.

28:36

We don't have to ask our boy, Solly, our resident

28:38

Kobe hater about that. I

28:41

think both like one of the best and

28:43

completely one of the worst would be like

28:45

Bulls on Parade by Rachael Kishnerstein. Like some

28:47

mornings it's just being a panda and you

28:49

just absolutely jump out of bed and then

28:51

some mornings you'd be like, God,

28:53

this fucking song, like God, I just cannot

28:55

like a please kill me now. Man,

28:58

I don't know what the worst, I'm going to have

29:01

to think on the worst a little bit. The Walking

29:03

on Sunshine pull is great. That one always makes me

29:05

happy, but I don't know beyond day four or five

29:08

if I would really be able to get there

29:10

emotionally. It just reminds me so much of that

29:12

scene in High Fidelity. For sure. That's

29:14

why it makes me so happy. Yeah,

29:16

like Jack Black puts it on and

29:18

you know, John Kuzyk's character says, turn

29:20

it off! Turn it off! Turn

29:23

it up? Okay. He

29:25

had this song, he said

29:27

his alarm every day. Oh,

29:30

that's a good one. Or was it the

29:32

Young The Giant song? Young The

29:34

Giant. Yeah, the one from the

29:37

Michelob Ultra commercial. He used to play those like

29:39

when we were on Strap,

29:42

like all sharing a weird

29:44

Airbnb, his like

29:46

cell phone version of that song would go off.

29:48

That's a good one. That would be up

29:51

there. I want to pivot to sort of a broader

29:53

question, guys. How long do you think that Phil was

29:55

stuck in this Pergola? That was my big question. Like

29:57

how many days does this go on? I

30:00

think how many years does it go on? I was trying to think,

30:02

each of these days, you got to think, okay, just very, very basic.

30:11

Just to play the piano like that has to take

30:14

years to figure that out.

30:17

Even if you're doing it all day, every day, that's got

30:19

to take years to figure out. And

30:22

then he has- Do you mind each that he only

30:24

gets an hour less than a day? Well, that's true.

30:26

Well, maybe he's got more thousands of dollars. He has

30:28

to rob the truck every day to then have the

30:30

money to pay the piano teacher. That's a whole other

30:32

thing too. Yeah. So it's not

30:34

only the piano thing, it's like he also learns how

30:36

to ice sculpt. Got to think that's- it's

30:38

not like these are- Five times a year. Concurrent

30:40

years. Yeah. Like they're like

30:43

years stacked on top of each other. I

30:45

think- In some iterations, you could do both

30:47

like half your day in piano, half your day in

30:49

ice sculpting. But to truly get good at ice sculpting,

30:51

you'd probably just have to dedicate the whole day to

30:54

ice sculpting or the whole day to piano. Being

30:56

French, he does a bunch of the French poetry stuff. And then he

30:58

knows every- I mean, 10,000 of each of them. So,

31:01

yeah. Times how many, right? Like he

31:03

knows- Plus, times all the days he didn't do that

31:06

stuff or all the days it led up to that.

31:10

He knows every single person in town. Like each

31:12

of those is a day. Each of those is

31:14

a trail that he has to follow and then

31:16

probably he does it and then he probably forgets

31:18

that person has to do it again. So

31:21

I think it's like- I mean, I think we're talking

31:23

like 100 years. I

31:26

think it's like a really, really, really long time.

31:28

I know the script or like

31:30

the screenplay originally, they were talking about 10,000 years

31:33

was how far he was down there. Which is

31:35

sort of like the Buddhist tenant, right? It says

31:37

that a Buddhist has to live and die 10,000

31:40

times for their soul to really sort

31:42

of feel enlightened. But you sort

31:44

of mentioned a little bit, DJ. One of the things that

31:46

really kind of like blew my brain last

31:48

night watching it is like, think about the fracturing

31:51

of each timeline, right? It's like, if

31:53

you go and you're trying to sort of

31:55

woo Annie McDowell's character, then each

31:57

time you sort of like whiff on that. fuck

32:00

like I either got to go and like kill myself to

32:02

like start the day over again or I

32:04

have to like live out the rest of this fucking day

32:06

and then when I wake up in the morning I have

32:08

to like make these all these same choices just to get

32:10

back to that same moment that I fucked up previously so

32:12

like you know you got to rob the truck right because

32:14

you got to be able to pay for all the things

32:16

you got to like you know sweet

32:19

talker and be nice you got to go have a snowball

32:21

fight you got to do all this stuff and like if

32:23

you fucked up like each one of those times we're like

32:25

god damn it like now I have to like remember this

32:27

like chain of events that got me back to this original

32:29

point that I'm doing this to try

32:31

to sort of you know in learning

32:33

all those little details about everybody like

32:35

those you know those stack up or

32:37

whatever what so KVV sent over that

32:39

article that was kind of the other

32:41

theory of like that he just died

32:43

in the first place and this was

32:45

everything flashing before his eyes kind of

32:47

you know your brain's still

32:50

going your body's dying and you know all

32:52

this is happening over a span of you

32:54

know a second and it's you know it's

32:56

all this stacking up that was pretty provocative

32:59

I feel like there's a like a lost or breaking

33:02

bad whatever they're like

33:04

precipitating event was that just started

33:07

a every single piece of

33:09

media has a think piece about like actually

33:11

they're all dead which this is the I

33:13

think most extreme one I've ever read can't

33:15

be what I try to sum it up

33:18

well so the fan theory and I again

33:20

I'm not a darston that might be singular

33:22

there is that what happens is that Phil

33:24

dies of like

33:29

hypothermia in the or like

33:32

hypothermia starts when he's out

33:34

arguing with the police officer during the

33:36

storm and then he dies and that

33:39

when he meets Ned Ryerson well that's

33:41

the point was with the cold shower

33:43

right shower and he's

33:45

walking down the hallway and great

33:47

what do you like is there no

33:50

like his mama that he chances to get some

33:52

hot water to go there would be a day

33:54

today course not and

33:57

then the next moment you see the alarm clock so

33:59

you don't see him like go into bed, you don't see

34:01

him winding down. I think this fan's

34:03

theory was like he slipped and fell and cracked his

34:05

head in the shower. And

34:08

so the part of that theory is that

34:10

Ned Ryerson is actually the devil. And that

34:12

he's sort of gone, he's done living out

34:14

all of his sins and

34:16

that the devil is basically saying, like, you know, ha

34:18

ha ha, I've got you now. Like that first step

34:20

is a doozy. And that every sort

34:22

of iteration then is like him being

34:24

stuck in this hell, whatever

34:27

version of hell that he's been trapped in.

34:30

Until, as the fan points out, he

34:33

signs up for all this life insurance at the end. He

34:36

signs his life away and then he's released. The

34:38

curse is over on that night that he spent

34:40

his day in the And

34:56

then he can go back to the sort

34:58

of mortal coil, but eventually like his soul

35:00

is going to be entirely damn because the

35:02

devil has purchased it. You

35:04

know, I don't think that that's actually what happened.

35:06

And I think it's sort of stupid shit that

35:08

people, the internet was more, but it

35:11

is an interesting theory. I mean, Ned

35:13

Ryerson could be the devil. Like one

35:15

of the things like single, single like, I

35:17

mean, he had really bad shingles, you know,

35:20

Bill did in a previous life, Phil had

35:22

to tell him to not date his sister.

35:25

So a lot of things, you know, that Bill was trying

35:27

to scare away the devil. Did

35:29

you go pro that belly button

35:31

thing? Only

35:34

the devil could whistle from his belly button. I

35:38

just had some other general kind of questions like,

35:40

all right, so they toast at one point, you

35:42

know, he's wooing Rita and she's

35:44

like, Oh, I always toast to world peace. And

35:47

of course he has to sort of, Oh, fuck yeah. I guess

35:49

I always toast to world peace too. Would

35:51

you guys toast to anything in particular? I do. I

35:54

do. I toast to Panther Mike. I

35:57

toast to Panther Mike. Neil always

35:59

toast to. caster, choose to

36:01

cast your brother. It's

36:04

from a fast, perfect club. I always chose Shanny,

36:06

but that's just me. Shanny. Yeah.

36:08

Kyle. DC,

36:12

could you explain to the audience who Panther Mike is?

36:14

Because sometimes I get these like people who come in

36:16

like, I can't follow in on you because I don't

36:18

get all the inside jokes and uh, you know, I

36:20

think Panther Mike is one of those. Yeah. Panther Mike's

36:22

a dear, dear friend that we met through our travels.

36:24

Uh, yeah, he was a, he's

36:26

a golf professional. I won't

36:28

say where, uh, you know, kind

36:30

of golf professional to, to

36:33

the sport at large. Uh, and

36:35

the consummate pro. Yeah. Yeah. The

36:37

pro and we met him just

36:39

by chance via the internet and

36:42

we've kept in touch since, and,

36:44

and his, his game and his

36:46

influence, you know, reaches far across the

36:48

game, so that's, that's all, that's all I'm willing

36:50

to say about Panther Mike at this time. That's,

36:52

that's appreciative. Pretty much appreciative. Uh,

36:55

I don't really have a toast. Makes me feel like

36:57

I need to work a little bit harder to, uh,

36:59

to get some kind of toast, like I don't know.

37:02

Yeah. It's a good question. I don't really have

37:04

a go-to either. Maybe I'll put that on my

37:07

list of goals. Yeah.

37:09

Maybe a dotted line goal sheet. Uh, you know,

37:11

if we get to him type of goals for,

37:13

for 2024 in the year of reaping. I

37:16

didn't make my parents play the Guinness game the other day.

37:18

They've never played the Guinness game where I put the podcast

37:20

in a Broadway poll. Uh,

37:22

not great. Uh, I don't

37:24

think I've ever gotten it. So I'm not

37:26

willing to talk enthusiastic about it. There will

37:28

hopefully we'll be playing it again in the

37:30

future, but, uh, they, they could not, uh,

37:33

my wife ended up winning, got closest, if

37:35

you can win by getting closest to it,

37:37

it's probably that the real true Guinness

37:39

game is that like, there are no winners unless you

37:41

get it between the harp. Uh, whatever. But Jamie Weir

37:44

was telling me that the true Irishman played the Guinness

37:46

game. You have to split the G. Exactly.

37:48

Split the fairway. Where'd you go in the,

37:50

uh, what bar? Uh,

37:53

you know what? It was just, I think it was

37:55

a Hurley's bar, which is just like across the street

37:57

from the theater where we were seeing, uh, Haiti's town.

38:00

I'm a big Broadway musical guy. I'm

38:03

really hoping to, as

38:06

we'll see on the secondary goals pod here, I

38:08

think one of my goals is going to be

38:10

multiple musicals this year. Hell yeah. Love

38:13

that. All right. So if

38:15

you were stuck in one place for, you

38:17

know, let's say 10,000 years, what

38:19

would you do? Like to

38:22

like, not even like a broad question of like, would you try to

38:24

fall in love? But what would you do in the sense of like, would

38:26

you try to get really good at piano? Would you try to get really

38:28

good at golf? Would you TC, would you

38:30

become like a master chef? Like I want to

38:32

hear your guys's thoughts on what you'd use that

38:34

time. Well, I feel like it, you know, it

38:36

depends on the place, like, you know, Punxsutawney,

38:39

Pennsylvania, heart of the Midwest, right? You

38:41

got to, you know, hard to become

38:43

a surfer. Yeah. In fact,

38:46

you know, early February, tough to even get good

38:48

at golf unless you got, you know, simulator or

38:50

something. So like, I think I took

38:53

this very literally like in this situation

38:55

in that kind of time

38:57

and place and everything, what would I do? And

39:01

yeah, I don't really know. To

39:03

be honest, I don't, you

39:06

know, like, I guess, yeah,

39:10

I guess aligning with my personal interests and knowing

39:12

that you could mess up that many times or

39:15

try something or mastered something and something that could

39:17

take you in so many different directions, it would

39:19

probably be cooking. But

39:22

I also don't know if like I could get the proper

39:24

ingredients on a day to day

39:26

basis every day to do the

39:28

stuff I wanted to do, you know, pop

39:31

a Tron, better, better ingredients. Yeah,

39:34

that's my goal. It's

39:37

interesting for my mind. You're totally right. My mind

39:40

went to like, Oh, I just become a really

39:42

good golfer. But like, what a, what a tough

39:45

spot to be in. Because one, you never

39:47

have any concrete evidence of like, anything

39:49

you're doing, right? Anything's going to go away the

39:51

next day. So it's not like you can have

39:54

some multi day project or some, some

39:56

painting that you're working on for a thousand

39:58

years that becomes like Some masterpiece because

40:00

it just goes away at the end of the day. So there's something

40:02

kind of interesting about that and then two

40:04

yeah, what a bad fate to uh Maybe

40:07

become the world's greatest golfer, but never be

40:09

able to like play outside would be That

40:12

would be horrible. So i'm not i'm not into

40:14

that I think I would like

40:16

try to do music. I would try to sort of you

40:19

know, I thought they nailed the piano the piano Is

40:21

that's a pretty good one That's and

40:24

of course You I think bill murray actually does Is

40:26

can play the piano in real life or at least

40:28

if he's been in that can't he's been able to

40:30

fake it really well in music and movies for years

40:32

because he he certainly nails the like uh, The

40:35

piano the guy like with sunglasses, you know

40:37

winking at the audience kind of look Maybe

40:40

even as well as anybody but sean belushi. So

40:42

you you might say I mean uh

40:47

Harkening back to past goals podcasts. I mean he

40:49

may have just gotten really good at the process

40:52

Like it might be the greatest process movie of

40:54

of all time Once you once you let go

40:56

of the results and you just start embracing the

40:58

process every day That's you know, I think either

41:00

either that or the devil set him free, but

41:03

you can you can Decide with

41:05

the process too exactly

41:08

Interesting. I you know He was thinking about like in

41:10

the card throwing scene when people were like, oh, you

41:12

know It was probably like a year or two. He

41:14

was in the thing No, no, like he said he

41:17

talks at one point about like throwing like And

41:19

at cards for eight hours a day It's like you

41:21

get pretty good at if you do that like that's

41:23

like, you know You got to do that for

41:25

that's like such a minor thing and that's a

41:27

six month endeavor I would think for eight months

41:29

a day being a master card thrower. I feel

41:32

like it's kind of inevitable that You

41:34

know, it's almost like the theory of evolution

41:37

or that, you know Survival

41:39

of the best form of yourself,

41:41

right? Like it's almost inevitable that there's a good ending and

41:44

that there's a positive because like

41:48

You're gonna be predisposed to trying

41:50

not to be miserable if you know You can't

41:52

like if this is your fate every single day

41:54

no matter what you do. You're gonna wake up.

41:56

You might as well Try

41:58

to take an optimistic view

42:01

on it because like there's no way

42:03

out right I'm

42:05

gonna make you guys sound like just

42:08

touchy-feely dorks for a second but like how would

42:10

you for somebody who's never seen this movie how

42:12

would you explain like why

42:14

the curse is broken is that

42:17

I don't think the movie is super clear

42:19

about it it's very open to interpretation

42:21

you don't know if they've like had

42:23

sex you don't know if they fell in love

42:25

keep in mind like she only really saw this

42:27

side of him like at the party

42:30

right is that like kind of where she flips on

42:32

him and then all of a sudden she falls into

42:34

this like eternal love for him it's kind of yeah

42:36

like before the party even

42:38

because at the bar you can see

42:40

like that thought in her head

42:42

when the other you know but

42:44

even that's like the evening right yeah

42:46

I think the movie does a little

42:49

bit of an emotional cheat in that

42:51

we as the audience have seen Rita

42:53

like soften to fill over time but

42:56

in this iteration where she actually like falls in

42:58

love with him it's only like that

43:00

same sort of day right in I think you

43:03

could propose a theory that like one

43:05

day is never enough for him to actually make

43:07

her fall in love with him but the cheat

43:09

is essentially that like we as the audience are

43:11

sort of tricked emotionally into feeling like oh it's

43:13

okay you know she doesn't have to have like

43:16

every single thing go right because we're always seeing

43:18

this sort of window and it's built up of

43:20

the past so I watching that I was like

43:22

I don't know like I or

43:24

I really have to think of this movie too seriously

43:26

which is always a mistake that I'm

43:29

not sure that I buy that she would

43:31

have you know fallen in love with you

43:33

know or he's had millions of opportunities to

43:35

optimize this and that's

43:38

the result it gets the most power

43:40

you know he's been building this a

43:42

great point it's you know it's like

43:44

a nuclear bomb like he's been building

43:46

a possible thing that you know it's

43:48

it's it's not just his life's work

43:50

it's it's the culmination of millions

43:53

of lives work you know I

43:56

did think initially like that

43:58

Phil's pursuit of I mean, again,

44:00

this is the first time I've seen it in 20 years,

44:02

but this pursuit of Rita was like kind of skeevy and

44:05

meant to be romantic. But then I kind of reimagined it

44:07

in my mind. I was like, okay, it's initially skeevy. But

44:09

then as he learns more about her and he tries to

44:11

sort of like get interested in her life, then he actually

44:13

does really fall in love with her as a

44:16

person. And maybe that's what releases him from heratory. It's

44:18

not that he's trying to sleep with her. It's like

44:20

he's trying to sort of be the

44:22

better person for her because he actually has

44:24

fallen in love with her over 10,000

44:26

iterations of this chase. Yeah, I think that's

44:29

right. And I think he also just

44:31

kind of accepts at the end, like the

44:33

basically the stuff he doesn't have power

44:35

over because he has power over mostly

44:37

everything and manipulate anybody. However he

44:39

kind of wants except for and I think that's

44:41

like one of the more important scenes like the

44:43

old man that no matter what he does, the

44:46

old man dies. And I think

44:48

that's kind of the first step towards like, okay,

44:50

you don't have ultimate control. You

44:52

are not a god as you're as you're saying

44:54

you're just this person stuck in this situation. I

44:56

think kind of like once he lets his hands

44:58

off the steering wheel and he tries, you know,

45:00

he stops trying to control everything that that's kind

45:02

of when the ultimately the

45:04

curse is broken. Every time I watch it,

45:07

I see that scene where

45:09

he goes into the things asking for the charts,

45:11

the old man, I keep thinking,

45:14

I'm like, Oh my God, like he, he

45:16

goes back and then he, and then

45:18

he figures out how to be a doctor and he saves

45:20

the old man. He looks at this and I'm like, no,

45:23

he does. They call him Dr. Murray or

45:26

Dr. I had whatever Dr. Call it. It's

45:29

Connor. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

45:31

But then I have to remind

45:33

myself, no, he just wakes up

45:35

all over again. The

45:38

guy's alive again. You know, do you

45:40

guys think that he ever got like, so I, one thing I

45:42

wanted to do the movie is like, if he stays up to

45:44

like 4am, does he ever feel like

45:46

tired the next day? Like, is it as a good night

45:48

of sleep make any difference in like the next iteration? Or

45:50

is it just like a video game that literally like resets?

45:52

I think it's a full reset. I

45:55

think it's a full, yeah. Otherwise, like we

45:57

get stinky too, right? Cause he's taken it.

46:00

shower every day you know

46:03

that's tough 10,000 years without a hot shower yeah although I guess

46:05

you could just go somewhere else I

46:08

love watching him play which was

46:10

great that's the question before he's

46:12

done at the end so

46:15

good another you know

46:17

minor plot hole again let's not look too

46:19

deep into it doesn't he ever

46:21

like what happens if he stays up till six o'clock he

46:23

never stays up till six o'clock in this whole movie just

46:26

couldn't do it he just couldn't couldn't bring himself to go

46:28

all the way through the night I mean I assume that

46:31

like every time he fell asleep like that was just the

46:33

reset like you know I there had to be maybe didn't

46:35

want to address this but there had to be some iterations

46:37

where he's like oh if I just stay

46:39

up for three days like I just go as far as

46:41

I possibly can that made long as like he

46:44

either died or fell asleep that his brain

46:46

reset but it is I'm like a second night he

46:48

stays up till like four in the morning right and

46:50

snaps that pencil and was like oh fuck

46:52

like low-key one of my favorite

46:54

like elements of the cinematography is

46:57

just the like

46:59

all the stuff with the clock all the

47:01

different views all the different you know close ups

47:04

and it's you know when he smashes the clock

47:06

all that stuff it's just like like the clock

47:08

is such a central part of this the

47:10

slow-mo slow motion with the piece

47:13

falling down and the sound design is so good

47:15

I used to get so hyped when I was

47:17

a kid and I would see one of those

47:19

clocks purely because of this movie apparently

47:22

the smashing of the clock was a like a

47:24

real thing the clock continued to play the audio

47:26

through it and so they just kept that take

47:28

in there because it was such a perfect thing

47:30

that it would continue to sort of warble on

47:32

even though the clock was damaged

47:34

all right from my mom real

47:37

quick from my mom I said

47:39

I said mom you hated the movie

47:41

Groundhog Day right she said yes I did

47:43

why do you ask that's what we're doing

47:45

a podcast about it breaking news I love

47:47

it so I thought it was funny in

47:49

parts but it felt monotonous at times it's

47:51

still tried to make changes that movie did

47:53

not grab me like caddyshack and I think

47:55

that's what I was expecting it's more about

47:57

expectation never had a desire to watch

48:00

again to see if I missed something. Not a favorite

48:02

of the Bill Murray movies for me. Imagine

48:05

if it was like super dark the way Bill wanted

48:07

it to be. I

48:10

hope Peg will give it another chance after hearing this perfect

48:12

clip. Guys, uh, is Andy

48:14

McDowell's performance in this kind of underrated? Like, so

48:16

I was thinking about this last night, Murray gets

48:18

to like tweak, you know, how he plays every

48:20

different scene, but she has to like nail the

48:23

same sort of things like in multiple different scenes

48:25

where it's like, you know, even though the camera's

48:27

maybe a little different or maybe it's like a

48:29

subtle difference, she has to essentially play the same

48:31

thing over and over and over again for her

48:33

for him to react off of. I

48:36

think that's a good point. I love the

48:38

scenes in there that are extended versions of

48:40

the same conversation, just to watch them like

48:43

be actors for that exact reason. See like

48:45

how good a carbon copy they can do. No

48:49

offense to anybody. No offense to anyone.

48:51

This is a personal opinion. She's not

48:53

my favorite. Uh, I don't think

48:55

she's great, but I think, I

48:57

think that was a, would have been better as someone else, but

49:00

I do think she's good at those scenes. DJ,

49:03

I can't believe you would shit on my

49:05

former neighbor like that. Wow. And we gotta

49:07

live four houses down. She's our guy, big

49:09

T's neighbor. Oh, really? Yeah. How

49:11

about that? Uh, yeah. So she had a

49:13

house in Missoula for, uh, many years,

49:15

you know, she, she went by a different name.

49:18

Uh, Rose Qualley was her sort

49:21

of like real life name. Her husband's name

49:24

is Qualley. And then Margaret Qualley, when I saw her

49:26

Margaret Qualley and the leftovers, uh, being very like

49:29

unclothed in like the first scene, I was like,

49:31

Oh shit. Like I gotta look away. That's like

49:33

the eight year old girl who used to be

49:35

running around down the street, uh, from

49:38

Missoula. So yeah. Uh,

49:40

Margaret Qualley is great. I like her a lot.

49:43

She's great. And we dialed better

49:45

in other movies, but you're right. She's kind of

49:47

like commercials. What is it? The makeup

49:49

commercials. Yes. What, when

49:51

all she has to do is like look very pretty. Yeah. Who

49:54

else would have suited that role?

49:56

Well, we're talking about that.

49:58

Just here. We're talking about that last. I don't

50:01

like Julia when I

50:03

I think she'd be like too famous

50:05

I think the producer is supposed to be kind of

50:07

like a little bit wet behind

50:09

the ears, you know a little like Yeah, but she

50:11

can do like the Aaron Brockovich kind of yeah,

50:14

right. I threw out a

50:16

Julie Bowen, you know before her happy Gilmore

50:19

Breakout, maybe she would have been a good a good

50:22

person. I Don't have a

50:24

I don't have a deep enough knowledge base to

50:26

pull somebody out of this out of the hat there

50:30

It has to be someone who's not like

50:32

overwhelmingly striking Right thinking like their

50:34

hotness right because you have to play a little bit of

50:37

I don't know like a Drew Barrymore wouldn't work

50:39

I just don't know that's a

50:41

great question to think on that guys What do you

50:44

think the most heinous acts that that

50:46

Phil Connors committed like during his Simon Berg? Sorry,

50:48

like he probably committed a

50:50

murder right like he killed himself a much times. He

50:52

does never address that like he killed the ground How

50:55

did kill the groundhog? That's right. That is a

50:57

murder right there You know, I mean

51:00

I I shudder to sort of a wonder

51:03

like cuz there are no consequences at some point You'd be

51:05

like well, maybe I want to see

51:07

like how far I can push this like maybe

51:09

I could just be like a truly horrible Horrible

51:11

person. Well, Andy think that's a pushed him farther

51:13

like it made it take

51:16

longer for him to

51:18

you know, it's it's kind of like

51:21

the scales of justice the more of those days

51:23

you stack up the Long

51:26

sentences kind of yeah,

51:28

that's interesting. I didn't think about it that way What

51:31

if he got a thirst for blood and he became

51:33

like the pucks a Tony Ripper? It was like how

51:35

many people can I kill in a single day? Well,

51:37

I think that that scene where he like he robs

51:39

the truck and then the next scene he pulls up

51:41

in that Mercedes and he's dressed like Clint Eastwood and

51:43

he's got that like escort with him or whatever which

51:45

does never really like explained I

51:48

think that you know kind of tips their hands

51:50

to like he's willing to like go with

51:52

some pretty elaborate Stuff to

51:54

like keep himself entertained. I gotta think that's got

51:56

a dark side to it You know, I don't think it's

51:58

just like messing with the guys for the So

52:02

yeah, I hate to,

52:04

or I hesitate to put

52:06

any specifics out there, Kev, but I think it probably

52:08

got pretty dark. I'll tell you what he could've done.

52:10

He should've gone down the road to State

52:13

College and put a stop

52:15

to everything that was going on in Joe Potts.

52:18

Yes. Well said. Could've

52:20

been like 11-22-63 at Stephen King. Exactly.

52:23

Stephen King, Brooke. We can't change the

52:25

future though, even if he kills Joe

52:27

Vaterno or kills Jerry Sandusky. Maybe

52:30

he stays awake. We don't know. Maybe

52:33

he can stay awake for 20 years,

52:35

TC. He can really get this shit under wraps.

52:38

I think the problem is that he couldn't

52:40

escape the town. The idea that there was

52:43

only one town, one road in and out

52:45

of Puxitani. Oh, that's right. Well, yeah, but

52:47

back to Pittsburgh. We don't

52:49

know about the other way. He

52:51

could've gone the other way. He could get

52:54

creative. He could've got a chopper. He

52:56

had basically access to unlimited cash. He

52:59

could've made money gambling. He could've been

53:01

a Back to the Future 2 situation.

53:03

I always feel bad for the guy

53:05

in the armored truck, the old guy.

53:08

You don't think it was cash boosted from

53:10

him? I have two of

53:12

these bags and three. That

53:16

guy has to steal that

53:18

money every single time in order to be

53:20

able to accomplish some of the things. Every

53:22

day that guy gets fired or gets prosecuted

53:24

or gets ashamed of his job. What was

53:26

that guy's name? Reuben? Maybe

53:29

the other guy's name is Reuben. It's

53:31

one of those, but the point is it's the same

53:33

name as the guy whose back he fixes at the

53:36

end. I

53:38

think he sees the error of his ways. Maybe,

53:40

hey, I don't want this guy to get fired and

53:42

he fixes his back. That's when the guy's

53:44

wife can help out around the house again. I'm

53:49

pretty sure that's the same guy. Is

53:52

this the darkest comedy ever made? Would

53:55

you give out it for an hour? We

53:57

have. What else

53:59

would you give out? would be in the running. Oh,

54:02

man. Like, death

54:05

to smoochie cable guy. That movie's

54:07

dark. It's Felix and Herman are

54:09

the two that's right. I

54:12

think it's feeling like, like, he's

54:14

back or whatever. God,

54:18

Kev, I think there's I think there's a

54:20

big long list. I don't think

54:22

they even sniffed making this one as dark as they

54:24

could have. True. All right.

54:26

Well, like super duper broad

54:28

comedy comedy. Okay. That's

54:30

a darkest like mainstream comedy. I mean, this was certainly

54:33

like a mainstream release where now you can make a

54:35

pretty fucking dark comedy and put it on Hulu or

54:38

Apple TV and very few people are gonna. That's

54:41

the other thing. Like he's he's at an inflection point

54:43

in his career where he wants to not

54:45

be typecast, but you don't like

54:48

you want it to be successful and have mainstream

54:50

appeal still as well. You know,

54:52

so I think he had a vested interest as

54:55

well. Or maybe, you

54:57

know, everybody else who

55:00

wanted to be a comedy was like, no, I

55:02

kept him from going too

55:04

far in that direction. But that would be a

55:06

very interesting question of like, hey, like

55:08

making this a drama, like how, how

55:11

dark would Bill have made it if

55:13

left to his own devices?

55:16

Well, it's like the London to McCartney thing is

55:18

like you need both of them, right? To sort

55:20

of push pull like, you know, otherwise you get

55:22

like some really corny stupid shit or some really

55:25

weird shit. Like there's great tension in that creative

55:27

partnership. On the flip side, is

55:29

this like one of the most romantic films ever made?

55:31

Like Phil spends like every day through

55:33

eternity trying to be the person he needs

55:35

to be in order for Rita to love

55:38

him. Apologies to my neighbor, Addie McDowell aside

55:40

each. There's kind of a

55:42

very unsweetness to it. The reason it works, I

55:44

think is because it's like, Oh, what would you

55:46

do if you, you know, wanted to win the love of

55:48

the person who you thought was like a really good person?

55:51

You probably make yourself into a good person through

55:53

like 10,000 years of, you know,

55:55

remaking. It's hard not to watch that last

55:58

whatever it is, 10 minutes and with With. Without.

56:01

Like a big smile at your face right

56:03

where the same in the kid from the

56:05

treaties go over Faggot Faggot says the i

56:07

mean it's great You never say that you

56:09

have Xiomara. maybe maybe it's ah it's so

56:11

sweet Early is going to say it like

56:13

and he just plays it so well. Where

56:15

is all you know doctors were an honorary

56:17

title you know, like he does He downplayed

56:20

ah that's of so well that the whole

56:22

tone of of all that is. Is

56:24

is. Pittsburgh. Make Tides. I

56:26

love us that sequence right? as in

56:28

essence of like what made Bill Murray

56:30

such a charismatic, like fun person. right

56:32

as you can't is the done like

56:34

horrible things. He's. Been a

56:36

dick of the be the movie and yet like you

56:38

cannot help but love him He just has that like

56:40

energy and charisma in. Those. Kind of things

56:43

really. God is fucking guys great like

56:45

I'd have loved Level Bill Murray man

56:47

like if you know that's why he

56:49

is, why the most famous people of

56:51

our lifetime even like with him or

56:53

that snowball fight when he's put not

56:55

like stay in that. Funding

56:57

which stays in front of them

56:59

like the Nihilism Planes had them

57:01

that you know hedonism, face whatever

57:03

but isn't the snowball fight with

57:05

the kids in his and he

57:07

says are. Ah well

57:09

as he say I'm a real humdinger

57:11

over here is nothing while a doll

57:13

thing in a third thought oh my

57:16

gosh sidwell friends option right said. That

57:18

said if it's so funny also like

57:20

that's what so awesome about that Like

57:22

the little touches of this movie is

57:24

like they do such a good job

57:26

of making the first snowball fights feel

57:28

so authentic and when they show him

57:30

like is riders the hit fast forward

57:33

and try to like speed or the

57:35

big idea about ah Fargo this is

57:37

there's no money This. Is

57:39

Tied slogan and I had. Such.

57:41

As it is awesome. ah

57:44

what is that and straight week of that

57:46

that was probably certainly my shirt list of

57:48

favorite scenes in the film do what are

57:50

your guys the spirits into this film we

57:52

have any sort things you wanna call out

57:55

go stream of consciousness but a massive chris

57:57

elliott fan we have imagined him yet the

57:59

bachelor auction Just all the like

58:01

gyrations and stuff He does to

58:03

try to get auctioned off after Bill Murray gets sold

58:05

for three hundred some dollars. It's so

58:08

good Chris Elliott is so underrated glad he

58:10

got kind of a good second act on

58:12

Schitt's Creek. I've always always loved him That

58:16

whole last scene is great the whole last the whole like

58:19

final day Is

58:22

really good. I love when he's he's going around the

58:24

diner Saying a little

58:26

snippet about each person is is

58:28

really great. What would jumps to mind for you guys?

58:30

I Loved when

58:32

he walks up to the guy, you know in

58:34

the hallway. This is near the beginning. Don't mess

58:37

with me pork chop. I Love

58:40

that. I love when Chris when Chris fell in

58:42

the camera guy keeps keeps

58:45

filming after Truck

58:48

goes off the cliff Oh, maybe

58:50

you can be okay. You can be okay No,

58:53

no, and then he picks the camera back. I'm

58:55

gonna keep filming. I love when he's sitting there,

58:57

you know Then

58:59

the hospital and he's like he was at the

59:02

morgue. He's sorry at the morgue. He's a

59:04

really nice Really

59:07

I really liked him a lot He's

59:10

the best man. I loved in the diner

59:12

when he takes the coffee to the space

59:14

I Crap

59:17

coffee That whole piece

59:19

of cake in his mouth. Yeah, I

59:22

think my like the simple Thing that

59:24

I like really enjoy the most the one that I just

59:26

think of for years and years after watching this movie is

59:28

When you know, she's like, oh you're

59:30

gonna laugh, but like I studied French poetry And

59:35

then it immediately cuts back to like oh you're gonna laugh but

59:37

I studied French poetry and then he reads that French Poetry and

59:40

then he reads that French poem. She's like you speak French. He

59:42

goes we played

59:45

in terms of comedy like beat it's

59:48

just that's Whatever over and

59:50

over that scene has stuck with me for years I

59:52

the thing that stuck with me forever since I was

59:54

a 10 year old kid is

59:56

watching him when you see Larry Turned out

59:58

the camera for the first time What he's,

1:00:00

he's doing the stand up in front of the ground

1:00:02

dog and he's counting down three, two, one, and the,

1:00:04

the one is the middle finger. Such

1:00:07

a, such a good little touch. Uh,

1:00:10

there's so many, so many of the one-liners with

1:00:12

Larry are just so good. He's stand up when

1:00:15

he's at like the bleakest, most

1:00:17

nihilistic moment. Calling

1:00:20

the guys out on air. He's

1:00:26

the ethic shit. He used to do real stuff around

1:00:28

me. And

1:00:30

then he flips the one at the end when

1:00:32

he's quoting check off and all the other reporters

1:00:34

are just taking their, their bikes in front of

1:00:36

him. I mean, the other boarders interviewing him was

1:00:38

a great touch. Like they're wanting to capture another

1:00:40

one. I'm surprised we haven't pointed this

1:00:42

out yet. Uh, this is kind of bleak, but there's

1:00:45

no way that this is a three person job anymore.

1:00:47

This is one reporter who has to drive from

1:00:50

Pittsburgh. They got to shoot their own shit.

1:00:52

There's no, they got to send it, you

1:00:54

know, find some McDonald's

1:00:56

to go bum wifi and send their

1:00:58

report back in. It's the,

1:01:00

that's the, maybe the most unrealistic part of the whole thing.

1:01:03

We should have had Lou Turner on. Collapse

1:01:07

of media means the groundhog day could not happen

1:01:09

anymore because there don't be no one to fall

1:01:11

in love with. There's no exactly everybody's alone. You

1:01:13

live alone. You dial up. That's probably filming with

1:01:16

us. You might even film with a cell phone

1:01:18

as well. Exactly. Selfie. Yeah.

1:01:21

You got to cut the, cut it

1:01:24

down yourself, post it to the

1:01:26

station, Facebook page. Yeah. All

1:01:28

this stuff. Couldn't go get breakfast, all that. Uh,

1:01:31

I liked some of the opening scenes as

1:01:33

well. I'm just like, when he's doing the

1:01:35

weather report in the studio, like this is so

1:01:37

many. And

1:01:41

like, you know, he's just so

1:01:43

funny. It's, it's so well-delivered. It

1:01:46

is. Uh, guys, what do we

1:01:48

think that Phil's life would be like after he

1:01:50

escaped purgatory? Cause he would have infinite skills and

1:01:53

the perspective of a man who also denied infinite

1:01:55

times. Like he really would be like

1:01:57

one of the great Americans to do, to exist. I

1:01:59

would think. I think you definitely get that

1:02:01

other job in the bigger market at a

1:02:03

minimum. I think so. Yeah,

1:02:06

I mean, I don't know. Where would it carry

1:02:08

them? What would you want to do? All of

1:02:10

a sudden, you could be like a concert pianist,

1:02:12

or you could be like a philosopher, or you

1:02:14

could be a college professor, or

1:02:16

really, you could just be like a great golfer.

1:02:19

Wouldn't you be kind of... Wouldn't

1:02:21

you feel kind of lost afterwards, or I

1:02:23

guess fulfilled in the top of the mountain,

1:02:25

and then a lot of your motivation would

1:02:27

be turned towards your relationship,

1:02:29

and you would feel like... Maybe

1:02:32

that... Or have bad habits because you keep

1:02:34

starting over, and you can't start over in

1:02:36

real life. You just have to keep living

1:02:38

with your mistakes, right? But that's the end

1:02:40

of the movie. He's just embraced the process,

1:02:43

and just making every... Like living every day

1:02:45

to the fullest, no matter, even if it's

1:02:47

the same day over and over again. I

1:02:50

think he's in fully... He's

1:02:52

reached enlightenment. I think he's in total God

1:02:54

mode at that point. God.

1:02:57

I don't know... I mean, yeah. I

1:03:00

think there's a very interesting, very

1:03:02

literal question about... Clearly, he's not just

1:03:04

like go to a nine to five

1:03:07

job. So how does he go and just

1:03:10

acquire generational wealth so he doesn't have to work anymore?

1:03:12

Like literally, what do you think he does to

1:03:15

do that? Man. Because

1:03:18

now things have consequences. Yeah. So

1:03:20

maybe he just became like a really good poker player or something,

1:03:22

and he could go do that. I'm

1:03:25

just trying to think which of his skill sets would be... Well,

1:03:27

I wonder if he... He could be a concert

1:03:29

pianist. Like he could be... That's a

1:03:31

slow build though. You know? He's not

1:03:33

going to get a big lump sum of cash. I

1:03:35

wonder if he'd have any regrets. Like, oh shit,

1:03:38

I should have like studied medicine, or I should

1:03:40

have studied stock market or

1:03:42

something. Maybe he did, and we just don't

1:03:45

know it. Exactly. There's going to be a lot of things

1:03:47

in there. Well, I

1:03:49

mean, I'm certainly

1:03:51

glad that we watched this again. I feel like it

1:03:54

was a good... Especially with Groundhog Day coming up. It's

1:03:56

another reason I wanted to time this. I feel like

1:03:59

we could get... one inch closer to

1:04:01

having spring come around. It's always good

1:04:03

to be sort of reminded

1:04:06

of, you know, of these quintessential

1:04:08

important comedies. I

1:04:11

actually, you know, just other movies have sort of stolen

1:04:13

this premise, guys. Edge of

1:04:15

Tomorrow, I don't know if you've seen that, the

1:04:17

Tom Cruise movie. That's a fucking great sci-fi movie.

1:04:19

It's awesome. It is truly, truly good. It should

1:04:22

have been like a much bigger, this is like

1:04:24

one of Bill Simmons' hobby horses, but it should

1:04:26

have been a much bigger hit. It

1:04:29

just has a sort of, it's a cruise that has

1:04:31

like charismatic fun best. And it sort

1:04:33

of like has the video game element of like, oh,

1:04:35

you know, you live, die, repeat, like

1:04:37

each day, if you fail in your mission, like you

1:04:39

end up dying each time. And

1:04:41

Palm Springs, which was a Hulu movie with

1:04:44

Andy Sandberg and Christine

1:04:46

Malote, I think, is

1:04:49

actually really, really funny. Almost exact same

1:04:51

premise. Two people are stuck in the same

1:04:54

time loop. And, you know, it's

1:04:56

like a romantic comedy that doesn't

1:04:58

really get made that much anymore. Certainly

1:05:00

not made and released, you

1:05:02

know, as a studio release, you can get

1:05:05

them sometimes on the streamers, but that movie made

1:05:07

me laugh out loud probably three or four times. Enjoyed

1:05:10

it very much. So I would

1:05:12

say go check those out if

1:05:14

you haven't seen them. So here,

1:05:17

here. All right. Well,

1:05:19

I think that's a good rap spot. I'm glad

1:05:21

we were able to sort of get

1:05:23

this perfect club in, guys. I don't know. Maybe we

1:05:26

should take some, you know, solicitations for like what other

1:05:28

perfect clubs we ought to be doing. I

1:05:31

feel like a trap draw may need

1:05:33

to go do an on

1:05:35

location report one year from

1:05:38

Gobbler's Knob. It's

1:05:42

not that far from my house to see come up here.

1:05:45

You know, you could play Oakmont. I could play

1:05:47

some, not in February. No, I

1:05:49

mean, like going to, you know, I mean,

1:05:52

although there's no snow on the ground, so it's

1:05:54

very possible that, and unless Oakmont is like closed

1:05:56

off like Augusta for three, four months a year,

1:05:58

they might have you out. A big

1:06:00

C-suite guy like yourself. If, if that falls through and

1:06:02

you guys ever want a tour of Woodstock, Illinois, he

1:06:05

just give me a shout. Very much so.

1:06:07

How far is Woodstock from like, uh, Belleville

1:06:09

from, uh, my, my guy Jeff Tweedy and,

1:06:11

uh, uh, Belleville, that's like,

1:06:14

yeah, that's like almost St. Louis.

1:06:17

Okay. I drove through Belleville when I would took my

1:06:19

daughter to the, uh, St. Louis, uh, gymnastics

1:06:22

trials. And I was like, Oh God,

1:06:24

this looks exactly like the kind of

1:06:26

bleak town where, uh, all country guys

1:06:28

would meet and, and form Sunbolt. Unfortunately,

1:06:30

they're, they're probably six hours apart from

1:06:33

each other, but, uh, they look,

1:06:35

everything in between looks, looks pretty much the same. We

1:06:37

go to a Joliet. Uh, uh,

1:06:40

was it the jailer? The

1:06:43

team, the Joel, exactly. Yeah.

1:06:46

Bill just, uh, it's part of the ownership

1:06:49

group that just bought the Joliet slammers. So,

1:06:51

uh, yeah, we can put together a nice little weekend guys. Look

1:06:53

at, looking forward to it. That sounds great.

1:06:56

All right. Well, uh, you

1:06:58

guys, uh, enjoy any of your listeners out

1:07:00

there. Enjoy your spring. I hope you, I

1:07:02

hope it comes sooner than rather than later.

1:07:05

Uh, thanks for joining us on the trap.

1:07:07

Cheers. Oh,

1:07:26

no. Yeah.

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