Rebeccah L. Heinrichs is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute, an adjunct professor at the Institute of World Politics where she teaches nuclear deterrence theory, and contributing editor of the Providence Magazine.
As we approach the 2020 election, I want to make sure the conversation on this show reflects the actual choice the country is facing. So we are going to be doing a few episodes, including this one, with guests who believe Donald Trump is the better candidate this November. I wanted to start with foreign policy because that’s where Trump has been most influential. Trump has successfully broken the previous bipartisan consensus on key foreign policy issues. The way Republicans — and now even Democrats — talk about trade, alliances, Russia, and China has changed dramatically over the last four years. That’s an important shift, whether or not you agree with it. Rebeccah Heinrichs is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute where she specializes in nuclear deterrence and missile defense, a former adviser to congressional Republicans, and one of the sharpest defenders of Donald Trump’s foreign policy. Heinrichs sees a clear foreign policy worldview animating the Trump administration — one with more successes to its name than critics are willing to admit. I see a worldview that is inconsistently applied, and whose goals are often undermined, by the President’s impulsive, anti-strategic behavior on the world stage. So I asked Heinrichs to come on the show and persuade me that I’m wrong. In this conversation Heinrichs and I discuss how Trump shattered the foreign policy consensus that preceded him, why he sees China as such a central threat to American interests, the trade-offs that come with engaging in multilateral agreements and institutions, whether the threats America faces require global cooperation to address, the importance (or lack thereof) of how other countries view America, the ways that Trump undermines his own purported foreign policy aims, Trump’s ally-bashing, the US-Saudi Arabia alliance, the Trump administration's stance on human rights, what we can expect from Trump in his second term, and much more.Book recommendations: The World America Made by Robert Kagan The False Promise of Liberal Order by Patrick Porter Exercise of Power by Robert Gates Credits:Producer - Jeff GeldAudio engineer - Jackson BierfeldtResearcher - Roge KarmaPlease consider making a contribution to Vox to support this show: Your support will help us keep having ambitious conversations about big ideas.New to the show? Want to check out Ezra’s favorite episodes? Check out the Ezra Klein Show beginner’s guide ( to contact the show? Reach out at Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Hudson scholars Walter Russell Mead, Rebeccah Heinrichs, and John Walters join The Realignment to discuss how the U.S., and the world at large, is re-assessing national interests and national security in light of the COVID-19 outbreak.
We are dropping two episodes this week looking at the kinds of considerations that might lead a Christian to voting for either of the major party candidates. In this episode, we speak with Rebeccah Heinrichs, a fellow at the Hudson Institute and an expert on issues of national security and nuclear deterrence. Rebeccah has been a congressional advisor, as well as providing briefings to Republican presidential aspirants. Her writings have appeared in the Wall Street Journal, The LA Times, The Washington Times and Politico, and she is a frequent guest on Fox News. Listen to why Rebeccah thinks that, despite his flaws, Trump is worthy of support.
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