The Starling Tribune Reporters SP and Chris review the 2019 Arrowverse Crossover Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Four (technically Arrow Season 8 Episode 8) and Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Five (technically Legends Of Tomorrow Season 5 Episode 0). The reporters discuss the Arrowverse conversion to Earth Prime, how the Speedforce and the Multiverse interact, Oliver Queen is now the Full-on Specter and what does that mean along with Oliver Queen’s sacrificial death, the AMAZING Justice League Ezra Miller scene with the Arrowverse Flash Grant Gustin, Sara Lance taking on the leader of the Arroverse Justice League, the J’onn J’onzz Headache Tour, Beebo’s big crossover moment, what needs to be done post-Crisis with character and storyline explanations, post-Crisis character recovery of Lyla Michaels and Nash Wells, the faults of the crossover story including Wally West and Reverse Flash, the pros and cons of how the crossover was produced, and will the Starling Tribune reporters continue to watch the Arrowverse post-Crisis. Episode: “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 4” [Arrow: Season 8 Episode 8] Air Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 Director: Glen Winter https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935732/?ref_=tt_ov_dr 1x Stargirl / 9x Arrow / 2x Titans / 1x Doom Patrol / 10x Supergirl / 5x Flash / 2x Legends / 12x Smallville Writers: Marc Guggenheim https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0973233/?ref_=tt_ov_wr 19x Arrow / 10x Legends Marv Wolfman https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0938379/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr4 Numerous character created by credits / 1x Arrow Episode: “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 5” [Legends of Tomorrow: Season 5 Episode 0] Air Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 Director: Gregory Smith https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0808376/?ref_=tt_ov_dr 6x Legends / 3x Riverdale / 4x Flash / 7x Arrow / 1x Supergirl Writers: Keto Shimizu https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2582956/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr5#writer 15x Legends / 11x Arrow / 1x Flash Ubah Mohamed https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6763803/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6 6x Legends / 1x Arrow Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/09/crisis-on-infinite-earths-spoilers-part-3-trailer-watch-online-the-flash/ Arrow Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Starling City 15-Oct-19 0.84 02 Welcome To Hong Kong 22-Oct-19 0.77 03 Leap Of Faith 29-Oct-19 0.76 04 Present Tense 5-Nov-19 0.62 05 Prochnost 19-Nov-19 0.74 06 Reset 26-Nov-19 0.79 07 Purgatory 3-Dec-19 0.83 08 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Four 14-Jan-20 1.41 Legends Of Tomorrow Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 00 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five 14-Jan-20 1.35 Supergirl Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Event Horizon 6-Oct-19 1.26 02 Stranger Beside Me 13-Oct-19 0.97 03 Blurred Lines 20-Oct-19 0.92 04 In Plain Sight 27-Oct-19 0.95 05 Dangerous Liaisons 3-Nov-19 0.78 06 Confidence Women 10-Nov-19 0.8 07 Tremors 17-Nov-19 0.79 08 The Wrath Of Rama Khan 1-Dec-19 0.87 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One 8-Dec-19 1.67 The Flash Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Into the Void 8-Oct-19 1.62 02 A Flash of the Lighting 16-Oct-19 1.27 03 Dead Man Running 22-Oct-19 1.38 04 There Will Be Blood 29-Oct-19 1.48 05 Kiss Kiss Breach Breach 5-Nov-19 1.19 06 License To Elongate 19-Nov-19 1.29 07 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 1 26-Nov-19 1.17 08 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 2 3-Dec-19 1.32 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three 10-Dec-19 1.71 Black Lightning Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Birth of the Blackbird 7-Oct-19 1.16 02 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Maryam’s Tasbih 14-Oct-19 0.63 03 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Three: Agent Odell's Pipe-Dream 21-Oct-19 0.61 04 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Four: Lynn's Ouroboros 28-Oct-19 0.52 05 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Five: Requiem for Tavon 11-Nov-19 0.71 06 The Book of Resistance: Chapter One: Knocking on Heaven's Doo 18-Nov-19 0.62 07 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Two: Henderson's Opus 25-Nov-19 0.65 08 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Three: The Battle of Franklin Terrace 2-Dec-19 0.60 09 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Four: Earth Crisis 9-Dec-19 0.90 Batwoman Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Pilot 6-Oct-19 1.86 02 The Rabbit Hole 13-Oct-19 1.45 03 Down Down Down 20-Oct-19 1.22 04 Who Are You? 27-Oct-19 1.29 05 Mine Is A Long And A Sad Tale 3-Nov-19 1.16 06 I'll Be Judge, I'll Be Jury 10-Nov-19 1.09 07 Tell Me The Truth 17-Nov-19 1.01 08 A Mad Tea-Party 1-Dec-19 1.01 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two 9-Dec-19 1.71 Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters • What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name? o Parts 4 and 5 of crossover o Crisis across the multiverse o Part 5 - Welcome to Earth Prime! • Fight scenes and stunts o Lex and Supergirl in Monitor’s lab; his powers against hers o Giant Beebo! Sara coordinates fight Batwoman realizes Beebo not real Distraction - Sargon the Sorcerer o Everyone versus Anti-Monitor and the shadow demons Sara in charge Ray and Ryan - matter can’t be created or destroyed; shrinking indefinitely in the microverse Geek Team - Nash, Ryan, Mick, Black Lightning, Killer Frost Supers, J’onn, Alex, Sara, Ray, Batwoman, Barry, Dreamer, Spartan, Rene Don’t call Black Lighting Sparkles Barry puts bomb together; brings Ray to fight Ray to Supergirl - throw like a girl • Time Travel / Crisis / Cameos o Vanishing Point Paragons trapped for months; some have given up Kara volunteers Lex to go through teleporter Spectre - Speed Force is the key to getting Paragons back, unlocks Barry’s full potential o Speed Force Barry has to find Sara, Kate, Oliver, J’onn Use power of memory and connection; moments of victory and defeat; bonds formed Oliver - where they met; Queen Consolidated Surprise cameo - Ezra Miller’s Barry Allen (Is this cosplay? Want a selfie? Told Victor this is possible) Compare outfits Kate - Oliver/Ray interaction Oliver/Kara alien conversation - Invasion crossover; J’onn arrives Book of Destiny Fight - Oliver’s special arrow; Barry not there when it actually happened; Oliver remembers everything and tells Barry about his deal w/the Monitor Sara - Diggle and Laurel when Sara died; Diggle tells Laurel to be the Canary; Barry touches Sara and brings her back o 10,000 years ago Kara, Ryan, and Lex land on Maltus, try to stop Monitor Lex attacks Kara and Ryan; has Big Bad Guy Plans - Universal Domination; wants to team w/the Monitor - The Brave and the Bald o Anti-Universe Paragons vs. Anti-Monitor Oliver/Spectre; Paragons are strong enough to hold the line; Spectre will light the spark, they will fan the flames Lex - if anyone’s going to take over the universe, it’s me! Anti-Monitor vs. Spectre; energy fight; Spectre grabs Anti-Monitor, energy erupts from Oliver Lex - use book to focus Energy explosion; end of one universe; rebirth of another o Earth Prime Paragons don’t know what’s new; they’re the only ones who remember Crisis Lex Luthor - Nobel Peace Prize; during speech, winks at Kara J’onn J’onzz goes around and gives everyone the worst headache ever; our worlds combined; Argo saved Kara and Flash realize they are same Earth during fight w/Weather Witch; Marv Wolfman cameo Superman - boys? Baby Sara! Heroes are accepted; Justice League formed by Barry o Oliver VO - multiverse split again Earth-Prime Earth-2 = Stargirl Earth-12 = Green Lanterns Earth-19 = Swamp Thing Earth-9 = Titans Earth-21 = Doom Patrol Earth-96 = Routh’s Superman! • Oliver Queen / Green Arrow / Spectre o Trained w/Corrigan in Purgatory for months - remembering everything that made him Oliver Green and the Green Arrow o Dying is the easy part; real heroes have to keep going o President gives speech - parting words for the character and the show • Team Arrow o Diggle - upset he wasn’t there for the 2 times Oliver died; “he was my brother” o Rene - we had a Rory on our team once • Supergirl o Holds burnt Superman-96’s cape - similar to comics, in a way o It’s just up, up and away • Team Supergirl o J’onn J’onzz - Hero Paragon; new outfit; gives everyone the worst headache ever • Superman - o Has 2 sons now • Superman - 96 (Routh) o Yellow shield back • Batwoman o Learns from Oliver/Ray interaction: don’t trust each other, then let people in, end up being good friends, bond stronger than iron • Barry Allen / Flash o Missing for months; returns when Lex and Ryan try their teleportation device o Full potential unlocked o Trusts Oliver w/every cell in his body o Heart-to-heart w/Sara o Old Star Labs facility becomes Hall of Justice • Team Flash o N/A • Sara Lance / White Canary o Searches for Oliver o With Oliver’s death, everyone who knew the original me is gone (except her mom right?) ; my ties to this Earth are gone • Ray / Atom o There’s a super me! • Ryan Choi o Part of Team Geek o Helps create Microverse to trap Anti-Monitor o Large city = bureaucracy • Team Legends o Nate and Ava on Waverider; Behrad’s on the ship o Mick - book signing; Rebecca Silver; call him Rebecca o Known for dealing w/magic stuff • Monitor o Planet Maltus: 10,000 years ago - time travel to Dawn of Time, creating Anti-Monitor • Harbinger o Does Lyla remember her time as Harbinger? • Anti-Monitor o There is always one Monitor who can’t resist traveling to Dawn of Time • Lex Luthor o Gave himself some upgrades o Wants to be in charge of everything o Made himself “The Best Guy” when Earth Prime was formed o After fight knows what it feels like to be a hero o Boss of DEO • Pariah / Nash Wells o Anti-matter monitor • Black Lightning o Part of Earth Prime and the Justice League • Thorns: o SP Series letdown Vibe? Elongated Man? Slow pacing 1-3 4-5 almost different shows Ollie died Nash Wells- redeemable? o Chris Pacing was off it seemed we crawled for 1-3 then 4-5 flew. Wish we could have had more characters in the final fight No reverse flash? Since season 1 of flash it's been implied reverse flash plays a role and he doesn’t appear Not sure what this merging means for history. All of the folks we know have their memories restored but to a common person on Earth Prime do they remember the hood basically murdering people (kinda tarnishes Ollie) o Michelle Did J’onn visit Lyla? Does she remember being Harbinger? WHERE IS WALLY????????????????? Where is Cisco and the others? Article cited at bottom states, “Maybe one day we will tell that story,” Guggenheim hedges, “but again, all of those actors need to be paid, and they need to be paid a crossover rate that is above and beyond their episodic rate. That forces us to make hard financial choices that unfortunately occasionally drive the creative choices.” • Roses o SP - Never been done before over this many shows and this many episodes o Chris Combining earths opens some cool opportunities. Justice League formation is awesome. BEEBO! Everyone loves Beebo Sara gets heavily featured and proven that as Captain she’s already a leader of people. Makes sense she would lead the group. Also continuous with a trend in DC where normal humans play a fundamental role in a team Routh as Supes one more time. I literally cheered when i saw him in suit on screen again. o Michelle OMG they combined all the current CW DC shows (Stargirl on her own Earth) Sara in charge; given great moments: leading fight w/Beebo, heart-to-heart w/Barry; coordinating fight w/Anti-Monitor and shadow demons; speech to Anti-Monitor - For Oliver! Surprise Flash cameo Black Lightning part of Justice League. Also - Justice League! Hall of Heroes! Kara happy Kate on same Earth during fight w/Beebo Baby Sara! Justice for Brandon Routh - amazing shot as Superman • Point of discussion - will you watch the other shows? • For reference: Crisis on Infinite Earths: Easter Eggs and References in Part Three (14 Jan 2020) https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/01/14/crisis-on-infinite-earths-spoilers-part-4-5-easter-eggs/#21 • 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' Burning Qs Answered! (15 Jan 2020) https://tvline.com/gallery/crisis-on-infinite-earths-burning-questions-answered/the-flash-season-5-photos-16-2/ NEXT EPISODE Link to Promo: https://www.cbr.com/green-arrow-and-the-canaries-first-promo/ (Date: 15 Jan 2020) Episode: “Green Arrow & the Canaries” [Season 8 Episode 9] Air Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 Summary: In the year 2040 - Mia Queen has everything she could have ever wanted - until Laurel and Dinah suddenly show up in her life again and things take a shocking turn; Laurel and Dinah track a kidnapping victim who has direct ties to Mia. Director: James Bamford Writers: Beth Schwartz, Marc Guggenheim, Jill Blankenship and Oscar Balderrama IMDB link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9700188/?ref_=ttep_ep9 Join The Starling Tribune each week as we stream live on Thursday Evenings at 7:30 PM eastern or 6:30 PM Central at www.geeks.live. Join the fun chatroom and interact with the hosts live. Contact us: @StarlingTribune - firstname.lastname@example.org - www.starlingtribune.com - www.facebook.com/starlingtribune - 612-888-CAVE or 612-888-2283. Starling Tribune is proud to be a member of the GonnaGeek network found at GonnaGeek.com. For more geeky podcast visit GonnaGeek.com. You can find us wherever you can listen to podcasting including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Pandora, on Amazon Alexa, and iHeartRadio under ''Starling Tribune." We are very thankful for all of our positive iTunes reviews. 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