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Gerald Casale is the co-founder of the iconic rock band DEVO.  In Part 1, “Are we not men?”  Gerald tells how he was caught in the crossfire of the May 4 Massacre at Kent State University, a personally shattering event that gave birth to one of the most intense punk bands of the 1970s, DEVO. Gerald offers his take on current events and warns kids today that they’re threatened with the same shattering lesson he suffered in the Kent State shootings. He discusses the origins of DEVO as an art movement intended on making music video laser discs, not LP records and in the process pioneered the music video. DEVO’s unique sound was so new that they were widely criticized and even physically assaulted by NY punk bands for being “different.”
Phil and Ted continue their conversation with Gerald Casale the co-founder of DEVO. In Part 2, DEVO is discovered by David Bowie, launching them into a platinum record sensation that all came crashing down… or as Gerald calls it, DEVOlution. Gerald discusses collaborating with Brian Eno to produce their first album and how they were labeled as “difficult” in the studio. Their biggest hit, “Whip It” was written as a satire of American exceptionalism, but when radio stations misinterpreted it as an ode to a twisted sexual fantasy, DEVO played along and produced a hilarious send up music video that played for decades on MTV. Gerald offers a surprising reason for why DEVO eventually devolved as a band, and how the pandemic is taking a toll on himself and the band’s latest prospects for a reunion.
Thom Hartmann, #1 Progressive Talk Show host and New York Times best selling author, shares with Phil and Ted how conservatives took over talk radio and made a liberal like him so popular that he receives regular death threats. In this eye opening conversation, Thom explains his view of how the Reagan revolution will end with the Trump presidency, despite that many oligarchs and autocrats around the world are trying to reelect Trump. And find out who really killed JFK. Experimenting with LSD in the 1960s propelled Thom from his Goldwater republican upbringing to liberal activism. And hear the amazing story of his landmark research that redefined ADHD from a mental disorder to a forgotten and valuable trait that dates back to our hunter-gatherer days. Lean more about Thom at:
Actress, author, comedian and RUGRATS voiceover star with our co-host Phil, Melanie Chartoff shares never before told stories including about acting on Broadway, where she and 30 fellow cast members had a near death experience on a collapsing stage, and when Melanie hit in Hollywood, how women of the night protected her from stalkers. Melanie discusses how she and her friends are coping with the COVID lockdown, her teaching charisma to silicon valley super geeks, and reveals that she was felt up by Henny Youngman. “Take his wife, please!” Melanie also reads her hilarious poem, “Is This Person Worth the Germs?” about the perils of shacking up during the pandemic. It’s part of her latest book, “Odd Woman Out.”
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Santa Monica, California, United States of America
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