Thomas Chatterton Williams is the author of Self-Portrait in Black and White, Losing My Cool, a contributing writer at the New York Times Magazine, and a regular contributor to the New Yorker and the LRB.
Not just in the United States, but across the world the Black Lives Matter movement has prompted debate about race, identity and power. It is a campaign predicated on ideas about what it means to be black and white; but what if those very terms are themselves part of the problem? Stephen Sackur speaks to Thomas Chatterton Williams, a mixed-race American writer and self-declared ex-black man, whose ideas present a challenge to so-called 'woke' culture. How much room is there right now for respectful, thoughtful debate?
Bill’s guests are Kerry Washington, Jim Carrey, Thomas Chatterton Williams and Bari Weiss. (Originally aired 7/31/20)
Glenn Greenwald,Co-Founder @ The InterceptAuthor, "No Place to Hide"Thomas Chatterton WilliamsContributing Writer @ New York Times MagAuthor, "Self Portrait in Black and White"After a little internet drama related to the Harper's Open Letter, Kmele got together w/ Thomas and Glenn to discuss.Why we needed "A Letter on Justice and Debate"Why Glenn isn't a SignatoryWhat is Cancel CultureDo we really need to talk about this RIGHT NOWEvangelism or ExcommunicationHypocrisy and Healthier ConversationsRecorded July 24, 2020Published July 27, 2020 See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
How does an individual get out of the Matrix? Better yet, how do we as a society escape the Matrix? The extraordinary intellectual Thomas Chatterton Williams has decided to confront one of the most difficult mental prisons that Americans find themselves trapped in--the prison of racism and racial identity. On this episode of Conversations with Tom Bilyeu, Thomas Chatterton Williams tells his own story of unlearning poisonous stories about race through extensive reading, living in a new country, and reflecting on his own family. As the discussion progresses, he confronts the challenges we face in getting past mere anger to build the beautiful society that we ought to be able to live in. This episode is brought to you by: Wagner Spray Tech: https://bit.ly/2WNICDs PeopleReady: Visit peopleready.com/impacttheory Better Help: Get 10% off your first month at https://betterhelp.com/impacttheory SHOW NOTES:   Thomas talks about a novel that he tried to write that he had to give up on [1:00] Fiction is a very different medium from non-fiction writing and requires different skills [5:17] Nothing is ever wasted, and the best of the lost novel ended up in his non-fiction work [9:00] Thomas credits his father as being the first guy who “pulled himself out of the Matrix” [13:01] Thomas tells the story of the poet he is named after [18:47] Thomas then explains how he and his wife chose his daughter’s name [21:20] Thomas describes how stepping out of America caused him to view race differently [24:26] Thomas discusses the complexity of his heritage, ethnicity and ancestry [28:52] Thomas hopes for a society where the skin color is as unimportant as hair color [32:00] Do people want progress, or do they merely want catharsis and anger? [35:27] The blanket of identity we throw over every issue obscures deeper problems [41:49] Tom tells the story of how he started mining for astronauts in poor areas [48:14] Should we focus on helping children? [56:08] Children are never in a vacuum and you have to affect the whole family [1:00:55] Thomas talks about how he and his brother pursued completely opposed paths [1:06:22] Thomas discusses how he raises his kids [1:13:30] Thomas defines the good life as autonomy, as living according to his own values [1:19:27] Tom and Thomas discuss Hip Hop in the 90s and today [1:23:35] How can we get past anger towards the beautiful society on the other side? [1:32:36] What happens when people’s efforts are channeled in very limited ways? [1:40:26] Building desire is one of life’s most important quests [1:52:45]   FOLLOW THOMAS: INSTAGRAM: https://bit.ly/2Z94PvI  FACEBOOK: https://bit.ly/31dgnAu  TWITTER: https://bit.ly/3esJJyP 
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11
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10
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10 hours, 19 minutes
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