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to 13, a Taylor Swift fan podcast.

1:01

My name's Nick Adams. I'm Anna. Amy. And

1:04

I'm Lacey G. Are

1:06

you ready, Amy? I'm ready. Are you

1:08

prepared? Yes. Okay. For class. We're doing

1:10

the podcast. And

1:13

today we are going to be breaking down, man, something

1:16

that's got a lot of Swifties like me personally, I'm like, why

1:19

is she doing these? Some of

1:21

my favorite songs. Why is

1:23

she making me put these in these

1:25

different categories? Labeled. She's labeling all these

1:27

songs that maybe I didn't completely

1:29

think about a song all the way through.

1:32

And now Taylor Swift has five

1:35

new playlists on Apple Music and

1:37

they are the five stages of

1:39

heartbreak. And they

1:41

are all labeled. The first

1:43

one is I Love You. It's

1:45

Ruining My Life. That's about denial.

1:47

Denial. The second one, you don't

1:50

get to tell me about sad.

1:52

That's anger. The third one, I'm

1:54

allowed to cry. Bargaining. The

1:56

fourth one, old habits die screaming. That

1:58

is depression and anger. A final line

2:00

is i can do it with a broken heart

2:03

and that's acceptance And then you look at some

2:05

of these, you're like I never would have thought

2:07

that song would be in that right playlist. But

2:09

then you think about it again. you're like. Yeah.

2:12

I guess that makes sense. I think those

2:14

to sell like. How I mean

2:16

and of course, like we all. I.

2:18

You we it is a tiger. Taylor Swift

2:20

as a songwriter is just one of the

2:22

best of the best of the best and

2:24

I think this is goes to I think

2:27

that's a testament or songwriting how. Sick.

2:29

And write a song in that moment in

2:31

that ceiling and feel some had a way

2:33

that then years pies and see experiences other

2:35

things is he can look back at that

2:38

those songs in her own words and interpret

2:40

them differently and. I. Think it's awesome

2:42

that she's able to do that as the

2:44

song writer, but also as a listener. I

2:46

feel like like we always say that I'm.

2:49

Limited. As a song for every occasion, as

2:51

a telephone for everybody. Like kind of, you know,

2:53

and that kind of way. And I think it.

2:55

I think it really like sometimes I feel like

2:57

I hear Taylor Swift song and in that moment

2:59

it's not what I need it. But like five

3:01

years later I listened to it again and I'm

3:03

like that's those words in that those lyrics. Exactly

3:05

what I needed right now. You don't? I mean

3:08

yeah. And so I feel like. I

3:10

feel like by her organizing her own

3:12

discography into these playlist I think it's

3:14

just a really incredible test them into

3:16

her song writing skills and how. How

3:18

they can just kind of. Like. Adapt and

3:20

evolve and any we're going to get into like

3:23

you know each playlist and everything by. I think

3:25

it's just fascinating for her to look back at

3:27

some of her love songs and you know not

3:29

see the red flags as that were play has

3:31

a time busy season now Like things like that

3:33

like oh my god she's. Incredible.

3:36

And she did this based on

3:38

fan theories because fans were saying

3:40

she was doing the five stages

3:43

of grief and so see, that's

3:45

on to that and was inspired

3:47

by the Sands to go back

3:49

and. Read. Order and

3:51

reorganize. All. of her songs dizziness

3:54

absolutely incredible because we're talking about the

3:56

amy and i when the chocolate first

3:58

drops amy and i were in And

4:00

so we did like an emergency episode about it

4:02

and we had talked about it just like looking

4:04

at them But it was interesting because at the

4:06

time that we had the track list It's

4:09

like they were breaking down into like four parts But

4:11

we were trying to see if it could because it's five

4:13

stages of grief and so for her to actually Turn

4:16

it into five instead of four. I think it's

4:18

awesome. Like you said, like she got you

4:21

know She saw it from like us being like whoa And

4:24

I want I just wow and I still I still

4:27

Wholeheartedly believe that she had some sort

4:29

of plan to reveal the track titles

4:32

But then the track was got leaked and

4:35

whatever plans that she had were scrapped.

4:37

So I wonder what that

4:39

would have been And I still

4:41

think that okay, so fans

4:43

inspired Taylor with this theory

4:45

if Taylor was gonna

4:48

be Inspired by anything on this podcast.

4:50

What do you think it would be? elevators

4:54

I Can't listen

4:56

to a labyrinth without laughing just think

4:59

about being able she can take anything

5:01

and make it meaningful She's used the

5:03

word red in a hundred different ways

5:05

and it means something completely different elevators.

5:08

No escalators I keep saying elevators escalators.

5:10

They can take you up. They can take you down

5:14

They can lead you somewhere. They can break. Yeah,

5:16

okay, Nick, but that's all about you You're the

5:18

one with the escalator. So we're gonna turn it

5:20

around is something that's all about each of us

5:23

then I have to say the

5:25

horse down the slip and fly Stakely

5:29

said that if she writes that into

5:31

a song that I'm gonna know that

5:33

is a personal shout out Oh, okay.

5:35

So we're saying like besides the lobster.

5:37

Yeah. Yeah, if she was gonna be

5:40

inspired by anything but I

5:42

mean I was just saying that um While

5:45

I have it in front of me thinking about it, but yeah,

5:47

what if she does drop a lobster? And

5:49

this album if there's a lobster lyric

5:51

in the torture pun. I

5:54

will combust Evaporate

5:59

we will turn into to crustaceans ourselves. If

6:01

they haven't. And actually just move into

6:03

the ocean and you'll never hear from us again. People

6:06

turn into crustaceans ourselves. That

6:08

is just unfathomable. Is that

6:10

the word? Fathomable. Oh

6:13

my god. You know, I gotta

6:15

say, these playlists are great. The

6:17

artistry part of it, the meaning is

6:19

wonderful. But what I love to look

6:21

at and dissect is the just

6:24

badass business move this is. What

6:26

I love about Taylor and just

6:28

her method of marketing to her

6:30

fans is the way she

6:32

does things encourages listening on

6:34

repeat and listening to songs more and more

6:37

and more because this song points

6:39

to that song. It's connected to that song. Oh,

6:41

this is a love triangle. Then she throws in

6:43

the music videos. There's Easter eggs everywhere. This

6:45

once again just gives fans and

6:48

listeners five other ways to listen

6:50

to her music on repeat. It's

6:54

just so smart and wonderful and no other

6:57

artist does this. You

6:59

know, and I never, you pointed it out one

7:01

time, years ago, probably the beginning of this podcast

7:03

about how that works with like music videos, especially

7:05

like if we're hunting for Easter eggs. Yeah, we're

7:07

watching them over and over and over and over

7:10

again. I never thought about

7:12

that in like the marketing aspect of it until

7:14

you pointed it out, Nick. Of course I

7:16

spent my whole life just as a swim. They'd

7:18

be like, wait a second. That's also genius. I'm

7:21

always hearing about how she's getting so many

7:23

streams. Even when she doesn't have a new

7:25

album out, she's still at

7:27

the top of the streaming charts because people

7:29

are just going back over and

7:31

re-listening, A, because the music is great. I

7:34

think a lot of that is also just how she's

7:36

trained us to go on these Easter egg hunts and

7:39

find things. Even if you don't love

7:41

a song that much, you'll still listen

7:43

to it because I just got a new

7:45

clue or a new nugget that points somewhere

7:48

else. She's like writing clue detective novels in

7:50

her songs that's making us work. That's

7:53

genius. That's so great. She's

7:55

a super talented songwriter and that's why

7:57

we are all here. She is a

7:59

genius. The new version, but he's also

8:01

a brilliant business mom. And I mean

8:03

look at the boss move that she

8:05

made whenever she released the Heiress War

8:08

movie. Yes, Cut. Out

8:10

the middleman and made that deal herself.

8:12

So I mean she is. She's yes,

8:14

she is so smart whenever it comes

8:16

to that that all of it. And

8:18

I love it too because I serve

8:20

as something that people in the industry

8:22

and they work the Taylor or know

8:24

Taylor talk about him about. like. Something.

8:26

Everyone says is that how smart see it when it

8:28

comes to. Business. And her music and

8:30

her are in things and we see this as a

8:33

very very beginning Like Isis fans have seen it but

8:35

I'm glad she's I'm guides like. It's. Just.

8:37

More. Obvious are like you don't have

8:40

an artist that can sell two hundred

8:42

million copies of an album without any

8:44

when hearing a second debate incidents in

8:46

the Us alone like that's. Nice.

8:49

To think about like no, no other artists is

8:51

it like that? Like it's just it's increase. It's

8:53

incredible. Yeah and we we praise

8:55

the art more and not to

8:57

dilute words diminish. Yeah yeah, how

8:59

art. But it's the music business.

9:02

You. Can be a great artist but if

9:04

you're terrible at business you're probably not going

9:06

to go anywhere as I would you have

9:08

of you are industry. That's right, music industry's

9:11

music business. Same thing as being an actor.

9:13

It's not like the Rock is the best

9:15

actor of all time. He's a great business

9:17

man so he's making twenty plus million dollars

9:20

a movie. Because. He's a great

9:22

business purse, European. Yeah, I totally

9:24

valid and she could take all this

9:26

and say. I'm the master

9:29

mind. I'm the one behind all of

9:31

this. This is my idea is my

9:33

words. my everything. My.

9:35

Money my earnings and see

9:37

doesn't see so. Good.

9:39

To cities whenever she's going through towns.

9:42

he so. Good. Massive bonuses

9:44

to every one working on the

9:46

air a sore and think them

9:48

every single night. On. Tour which

9:50

is is incredible. She doesn't have

9:53

to. Be. As. Selfless,

9:55

and thoughtful and giving as she is

9:57

she says that genuine of a person

10:00

Yeah, I mean she's a she's a

10:02

living legend and I think it's really really cool to witness

10:04

in real time Like as as she makes

10:06

her moves forgetting to experience it and I just think

10:08

that's incredible So

10:11

should we turn to these playlists and

10:13

dissect how Taylor has categorized her own

10:15

music? Yes I'm also just before we before

10:18

we start I do think it's important to point out

10:20

because when she first dropped

10:22

these Playlists something

10:24

that everybody was talking about was like, you know a lot of

10:26

the songs that I feel like are getting a lot of attention

10:29

or especially the ones from like the lover album and Everybody

10:31

was like, oh my gosh interesting that There's

10:35

no reputation songs because that's when she was like falling

10:38

in love with Joe However, I

10:40

think that reputation and debut are just very clearly

10:42

not on any of these playlists because she doesn't

10:44

own them yet She doesn't want those streams

10:46

going to those no, right, right, right, right

10:48

So I just I saw a lot of theories and

10:50

stuff online about like why she didn't include reputation and

10:52

having it be like a Joe thing

10:54

but I think it's a Taylor's version.

10:56

Yeah, I think so, you know, yeah,

10:59

so the first Playlist

11:02

is I love you. It's earning my life and

11:04

that's a denial. And so let's hear what

11:06

she has to say about this playlist Some

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12:52

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12:54

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Results may vary. Results

13:02

may vary. Okay. The track list

13:05

on here is just insane. Take

13:07

everybody aback at first. And then after having

13:09

a few days to take it in, kind

13:12

of realizing more why. But there were

13:14

some shockers. Yes. Some of

13:16

the most shocking to me were Lover

13:19

is on this

13:21

playlist, which we have seen

13:23

her at the Aeris tour specifically right

13:25

before playing the song Lover. She

13:28

said at one point she was like, you

13:30

know, I wrote this song at one point

13:32

in my life because of the things that

13:34

I was feeling. But I hope that moving

13:37

forward, the memories and stuff that we have

13:39

with this song is being at the Aeris tour,

13:41

being together, this experience more than the experience that

13:43

inspired it. And so I think that, man, that

13:46

just had to be so hard for her to perform when

13:48

she's going through a breakup and stuff.

13:50

So Lover being on the denial playlist to

13:52

me was one of the biggest

13:55

like, oh my God. The

13:57

Lavender Haze is on this,

13:59

which... Before lavender haze came out. She

14:01

said that was a song inspired by you know

14:04

her relationship that

14:06

she kept trying to like protect and so to put

14:08

lavender haze on a Denial like

14:10

I was ignoring the red flags

14:12

like that's really that's really I

14:15

mean didn't that voice memo go

14:17

away like a little You know

14:19

yeah Whatever yeah after the breakup

14:22

to me the surprising one is sweetening

14:24

thing. Yeah, that's just like Supposed

14:27

to be you are in this super comfortable

14:29

phase in your life where you're on the

14:31

way home you're just hanging out in the

14:33

car and It's

14:36

like I don't want to say puppy love, but it's

14:38

like that you're in It's

14:40

a good point of love where it's just the

14:42

sweet nothings that means so much to you, and

14:44

it's yeah, oh wait That's denial

14:47

which is also sad because when

14:49

we were when we were talking

14:51

about these songs especially like in real time in

14:53

our podcasts We were breaking down those songs when

14:55

she was still with Joe and so we would

14:57

look at those songs and be like oh my

14:59

god It's just shows how much she

15:02

loves him and how much he loves her and

15:04

how great they are for each other and now

15:06

it's like yeah for her to put like sweet

15:08

nothing and Because

15:10

I mean the main thing about sweet

15:12

nothing is that that's a song about

15:14

being appreciated and love in the

15:16

small moments Yeah, and then to

15:19

turn around and Whatever

15:21

happened was Significant

15:24

that calls her to feel differently. I

15:26

mean we don't we don't know but

15:28

seemingly the breakup was Something

15:31

traumatic that happened. It wasn't something

15:33

that's leading leading on up to

15:35

or you know I don't know

15:37

maybe maybe not

15:39

um I don't know but

15:41

like she said at the beginning of The

15:44

era's tour in the lover era of it

15:47

She says that this is not

15:49

just my story anymore. It's our

15:51

story So I'm still gonna keep

15:53

sweet nothing as something yeah that

15:56

sure it means something to her

15:58

differently now but It's

16:00

still gonna be sweet nothing. Yeah,

16:03

and I think that's also another part of

16:06

what makes songwriting so awesome too is because

16:08

you interpret it for yourself and for your

16:10

life and your stories and things like that.

16:13

So I think if anything, I think she would want that. She

16:15

wouldn't want you to take it off of

16:17

your lovey playlist, just you know. But this

16:20

playlist was the one that hurt. The denial.

16:22

Yeah. So we also have Snow on the Beach on

16:25

this one. Glitch is on this

16:27

playlist. Daddy, that one

16:29

I feel like makes sense. Willow,

16:32

how do you feel about Willow being on there, Amy? It's

16:35

okay. She's

16:37

like, my heart's only just a little broken. Cruel

16:41

Summer being on the denial

16:43

playlist. You know, I

16:45

guess I can kind of see it. I can kind of

16:48

see it, I guess. Right? I

16:50

mean, she's in the, I'm drunk in the

16:52

back of the car, crying, coming home from

16:54

the bar. Just because it's upbeat doesn't mean

16:56

it's happy. We've learned that. Miss

17:00

Americana and the Heartbreak Prince is

17:02

also on this one, which

17:04

I, especially because of the Aeris tour, I

17:06

feel like she has been able to turn

17:08

that song to be about us, like the

17:11

fans. You know, like it's been a long time coming.

17:13

It's you and me. That's my whole world. Having that be

17:15

the first song of the Aeris tour to me

17:17

makes it seem like she wants that to be

17:19

reinterpreted to be about us and her as fans.

17:22

We got False God on denial.

17:27

Ouch. Style, your favorite man. I know,

17:29

that one hurts because to me that's just like, oh, that's

17:31

just such a fun song. I know. It's

17:33

kind of a hopeful song. It's like, you

17:35

know, puppy dog, flirty phase of a relationship.

17:37

And it's like, that's not denial. But

17:40

I guess it would be kind of like you are in

17:42

that early stages that you are ignoring the red flags. Yeah,

17:44

that's true. You know, I can see that, I guess. Same

17:47

with Wildest Dreams, which we just

17:49

broke down on our podcast because

17:51

now she's not looking back on

17:54

fond memories anymore. This was

17:56

seemingly a relationship that's been trashed

17:59

that you don't. You don't go

18:01

back and feel the fuzzy happiness. Nothing

18:03

lasts forever. Yeah. Treacherous

18:05

is also on this line. I'm kind

18:07

of surprised that there's not

18:09

more red songs on here, but

18:11

I guess that's because red was more of the

18:13

aftermath. Untouchable,

18:15

I've been listening

18:18

to that one because we just had a

18:20

solar eclipse, and there's a line in that

18:22

song of burning brighter than the sun. So

18:25

Untouchable has been on my playlist. This

18:27

is going to be a very dated

18:29

episode here pretty quickly. Sorry.

18:32

No, it's fine. Aren't they all?

18:34

They are. Aren't they all? The

18:36

last time we were in here recording,

18:38

the minute we left, Taylor dropped

18:40

these playlists. And you know what's going to happen? As

18:42

soon as we leave today, she's going to drop five

18:45

more. That's

18:47

when, Nick, your favorites are all in

18:49

the denial playlist. I know. This is a tough one. Then

18:51

we have ours, Lacey, Superman,

18:54

and Bejeweled. Another just

18:57

upbeat one that I would not put

18:59

in denial. I kind of thought that Bejeweled would

19:01

have been more in the acceptance because it's like I'm still

19:03

going to go out and make the whole place different.

19:05

It's like you're turning it around, except that

19:07

you're turning around the situation that you're in.

19:09

Yeah, by the way, I'm going out tonight.

19:12

So that was interesting for me to see it on

19:14

the denial. Me personally, I would

19:16

have put it on acceptance. But

19:18

let's talk about Lover for a second,

19:20

because that was the big shocker on

19:22

this I Love You, It's Ruining My

19:24

Life in denial playlist. Since then,

19:26

I've seen a lot of fans go back

19:29

and say, listen to

19:31

what she's saying. She's asking, can

19:33

I go where you go? Can

19:36

I be with you? I'm always

19:38

going to save you a seat because

19:40

he's not there. Ouch. So

19:42

kind of looking back in hindsight,

19:45

there was a lot of

19:47

things that maybe

19:50

she was unintentionally saying. It

19:52

is a love song. And I've seen people

19:54

on TikTok like, how do you feel now

19:57

that that's your wedding song? No, that's a

19:59

wonderful, beautiful. beautiful song

20:01

and always always will be

20:03

but now that we're looking through

20:05

it looking at it again

20:07

through colored lenses then it's like she

20:10

was kind of saying you know maybe he wasn't

20:12

there maybe but I think

20:14

that would be like an accidental something that

20:16

comes out in a love song that you

20:18

don't realize what you're saying or maybe that's

20:21

not what you're trying to say in the

20:23

moment but then looking back it's like well

20:25

I always was saying this I just

20:27

didn't realize what I was saying or

20:29

maybe what I was feeling I don't

20:32

know I don't know I think it's

20:34

more like she's probably looking

20:36

back on it like oh my gosh I was so

20:38

in love that I was ignoring the red flags I

20:40

was so in love that I was denying it but

20:43

I think the actual like lyrics

20:45

of it I like I

20:47

don't like I don't want to rewrite the history you know

20:49

what I mean I think it's okay to look back on

20:51

it like you said in a different lens but I don't

20:54

know but I will okay I will say and this

20:56

is just because I am absolutely crazy but when I

20:58

was thinking about my first dance

21:00

song for Ryan and I for our wedding of course

21:02

lover crossed my mind

21:05

because it is such a beautiful love

21:07

song for a stance like everything in

21:09

my head I thought I

21:11

know that she wrote this song about her and Joe

21:13

if they ever break up I don't want it to

21:15

take that I picked you are

21:17

in love not just because that it's a

21:19

beautiful song because of the whole history that

21:21

Ryan and I have with it but also

21:23

like she wrote that song about a relationship

21:25

that wasn't hers and so I kind

21:27

of took I thought it crazy I thought

21:30

it like I actually thought about that

21:32

did your homework you know what I mean yeah but that

21:35

does make me crazy since

21:37

we're on talking about lover

21:39

being on the denial playlist

21:42

have you guys seen the videos of her performing lover

21:44

at the era store I want to say it was

21:46

right around the time maybe we did or

21:49

just found out about her and Joe's

21:51

relationship being over and she's emotional she's

21:53

like wiping away a tear while she's

21:55

singing it I'm wondering if

21:57

maybe she wrote this at a point in her life

22:00

when she may

22:02

have been experiencing a little bit of denial,

22:04

but this was kind of a band-aid. I'm

22:06

going to write through my emotions or write

22:08

past my emotions. Possible. And

22:11

I mean, that's what... Those

22:13

are the videos that people were pointing to whenever we

22:16

found out she has a song, I Can Do It

22:18

With a Broken Heart, was because

22:20

she was out there performing. We didn't

22:22

know what was going on. We didn't

22:24

even see those videos at the time.

22:27

It wasn't until, I mean, I believe, until

22:29

Tortured Poets, and then we start noticing

22:32

and seeing, like, oh, she is... She's

22:35

crying. She's wiping away tears, but

22:37

she's still out performing and delivering

22:39

despite what was going on in

22:41

her personal life. Yeah. I

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yai yai. And we have a little message from Taylor. Hey

24:33

Apple Music, welcome to my You Don't

24:35

Get to Tell Me About Sad playlist.

24:37

These songs all have one thing in

24:40

common. I wrote them

24:42

while feeling anger. Over

24:44

the years I've learned that anger can manifest itself

24:47

in a lot of different ways. But

24:49

the healthiest way that it manifests itself in my

24:51

life is when I can write a song about

24:53

it and then oftentimes that helps me get past

24:55

it. Yeah

24:58

so I don't think I was surprised

25:00

by any of the songs on here.

25:02

It's all kind of made sense. We've

25:04

got vigilante shit, high infidelity. I

25:06

mean a lot of these it's about

25:09

cheating. Yeah. Would have, could

25:11

have, should have. For sure.

25:13

Anger yeah. Yeah. Exile, illicit

25:15

affairs, mad woman, tolerate

25:17

it. Oh tolerate it. Dang it.

25:20

Bad blood. Is it over now?

25:23

I knew you were trouble.

25:25

We are never ever getting back together. The

25:27

last time. It's like the

25:30

one copy song in this whole playlist. We are

25:32

never ever getting back together. And just like I

25:34

think Anna you said it earlier, just because the

25:36

song's upbeat, doesn't mean it can't be about something

25:38

sad. She's still angry. Yeah yeah yeah. Because yeah

25:41

I mean we are never ever getting back together.

25:43

Like ever. Like ever. Uh

25:46

the last time, the moment I knew,

25:48

babe. Oh gosh. Sorry man. I

25:50

love this song so much. And

25:53

that's so, I was. But that's

25:55

where it belongs. It makes sense. Right

25:57

and that's one of those songs where it wasn't

25:59

until We talked about it on the podcast

26:01

that I kind of took it as being that way because

26:03

it is that babe They're like

26:05

so angry, you know, like anger and her

26:08

things like anger it but like you don't

26:10

you don't hear that per se If you're just

26:12

casually listening to it, you know, but whenever I

26:14

comes up like when I'm in the car, I

26:17

perform it like babe Yeah, there's

26:19

so much head moving back and forth

26:21

when she's saying babe There's

26:24

so much just anger when

26:26

she says babe. Yeah We

26:28

get the finger in the music video music video for

26:30

I bet you think about me So that's a

26:33

little anger dear John better

26:35

than revenge. I mean she was so angry. She

26:37

kind of regrets it now Tell

26:42

me why yeah, you're not

26:44

sorry forever and always and

26:46

mr. Perfectly fine. Mm-hmm. Yeah, those

26:48

are all Yeah,

26:50

like would you have put any of the songs in

26:53

different playlists and different size? Oh not

26:55

for me Mm-hmm That

26:57

works. Yeah, man angry bops.

26:59

Mm-hmm. Is there something that you think should

27:01

be on there that isn't I Guess

27:04

when I think about it, yes, it does make

27:06

sense that tolerate it is on here I think

27:08

I would have just thought tolerate it would be

27:10

more on like the depression playlist But when you

27:12

see what's on the depression playlist, it makes more

27:15

sense that tolerate it would be on the anger

27:17

playlist Yeah, I've been listening to tolerate it a

27:19

lot lately. I'm okay. I see. Yeah, yeah Yeah,

27:21

I've just been like I've actually been listening to

27:23

just evermore in general like a lot like I've

27:25

just been I've been in My evermore era. I'm

27:27

getting ready. Welcome ready. I'm prepping for torture poets,

27:30

you know Incolorate it's

27:32

still one of my favorite moments in the air

27:34

is to oh my god Yeah Oscar winning performance.

27:36

Yeah stage every night. Have you so good? Have

27:39

you seen the videos of people like they'll be like

27:41

at the show and they take a video But they're

27:43

kind of like sitting to the side of the stage

27:45

and you can see how they get rid of you

27:47

know Cuz she like knocks off all the props and

27:49

you can see when they like reel them in It's

27:52

just like the stage production of it, but it's so funny

27:54

because you see Taylor knocking off her kind of like a

27:56

cat You know, she like knocked off the flowers and everything

27:58

and then you kind of just see them like

28:00

sliding like under. It

28:02

truly makes a hundred thousand a hundred

28:05

million dollar production look like a high

28:07

school production. And that's not a bad

28:09

thing. I love it. You

28:11

say that with love. Yes absolutely. I have not

28:13

seen those videos. I'll send it to you. Then

28:18

up next the next

28:20

playlist is am I allowed

28:22

to cry and it's

28:24

about bargaining. Here's what Taylor says.

28:27

Hi Apple Music. You have found the am

28:29

I allowed to cry

28:31

playlist. This playlist takes you through the

28:34

songs that I've written when I was

28:36

in the bargaining stage. Times when you

28:38

know you're trying to make deals with

28:40

yourself or someone that you care about.

28:42

You're trying to make things better. You're

28:45

oftentimes feeling really desperate because

28:47

oftentimes we have a sort

28:50

of gut intuition that tells us things

28:53

are not gonna go the way that we hope. Which

28:55

makes us more desperate. Which makes us bargain more.

28:57

Hope you enjoy the playlist. I

29:00

like how she ends with hope you enjoy the

29:02

playlist. Also I would like to thank Taylor because

29:04

I feel like she has given me a better

29:07

understanding of what bargaining is. I feel like

29:09

I didn't really fully understand that stage. So

29:12

thank you Taylor. And to me this is almost

29:15

the worst part for me

29:17

just because you're trying to fight for

29:19

something and salvage something

29:21

that's just not gonna work. You know

29:24

it's not gonna work but you're

29:26

trying as hard as you can and it's just

29:28

a losing battle every time. Because

29:31

it still has a tinge of denial.

29:34

If you look at the songs

29:36

that she has on here. I mean

29:38

the Great War. This is me

29:40

trying. Peace. One

29:43

of my favorites. Are you burping? What's going on

29:45

over there? I'm failing. I think a

29:47

suggestion? No just kind of like silent. It

29:50

was not silent. Harbor.

29:57

But you know what kind of you know what hurts?

30:00

hurts me to see peace on this playlist because

30:02

I used to think that peace was like nothing

30:07

makes sense. Would it be enough? Yeah. If

30:09

I can never give you peace? Yeah. Never

30:12

mind. Well, but she thought she was

30:15

providing the peace, could

30:18

or could not be providing the peace

30:20

and ends up maybe it was

30:22

vice versa. I mean that I

30:24

love that song from the moment that I

30:26

heard it. My favorite song, all folklore because

30:29

she was saying, um, your brother's my brother.

30:31

I love you enough to give you a

30:33

child. Like just all the things that you

30:35

say whenever it's like, it's

30:38

you and me, we can do this. And I,

30:40

so I mean, yeah, that one was the shocker.

30:42

The archer Cornelia

30:45

Street, Cornelia Street. That one, that

30:47

hurts. Yeah. But it makes sense.

30:49

It makes sense. You think about it. I'd never walk. I'd

30:52

never, I don't want to lose

30:54

you. I, you know, and she was driving,

30:56

like she was leaving and then she came

30:58

back. Right. And it's like, oh my goodness.

31:01

That hurts. That's by a thousand cuts.

31:03

A lot of lover on this one. Yeah.

31:06

I know. Which kind of, I mean, I,

31:09

you hate to say it, but it makes sense. Sure. If

31:12

you're thinking about it now as a bargaining

31:14

song. Yeah. Sure. If you think about it in

31:17

current time, knowing what we know now. Yeah.

31:21

And we're about to know a lot more. Soon

31:24

you'll get better after glow. I

31:26

wish you would say,

31:29

don't go come back,

31:31

be here. Better man.

31:34

The story of us haunted.

31:39

Come in with the rain. The other

31:41

side of the door. If this was a

31:43

movie and renegade, yeah,

31:46

it is sad to see soon you'll get better

31:48

on this because all of these are mostly

31:53

about her relationship with a partner

31:56

in life. This one's about a parent.

31:58

Yeah. And so it's like, oh

32:00

my gosh, she's not bargaining with another

32:02

person in this, she's bargaining with a

32:04

higher power. And it's just like, oof,

32:06

that one's tough. I

32:08

agree with you, yeah. I kind of would

32:11

have thought that Renegade, which A, love that

32:13

is included in these playlists, I

32:15

thought that would be more in the anger one, but

32:18

maybe that's just because of the way that she sings it and

32:20

not so much the lyrics behind it. Hmm,

32:24

yeah. Moving on to

32:26

our fourth playlist, it's called Old Habits

32:29

Die. Get

32:32

it right, Dookie. Moving

32:35

on to our fourth Apple Music playlist,

32:37

Old Habits Die Screaming. This is about

32:39

depression. Here's what Taylor has to say

32:41

about it. Hi, Apple Music. Welcome

32:43

to my Old Habits Die

32:46

Screaming playlist, where we're gonna be

32:48

exploring the feelings of depression that

32:50

often lace their way through my songs.

32:53

In times like these, I'll write

32:55

a song because I feel lonely or hopeless,

32:58

and writing a song feels like the

33:00

only way to process that intensity of

33:03

an emotion. And while these

33:05

things are really, really hard to go through, I

33:08

often feel like when I'm either listening

33:10

to songs or writing songs that deal

33:12

with this intensity of loss

33:14

and hopelessness, usually

33:17

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33:19

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we got some heavy songs on the

34:27

depression playlist. This is just insane to me

34:29

because we know that Taylor Swift can write the saddest

34:32

of sad songs. For her to go ahead and be

34:34

like, here, I put them in a playlist for you. What

34:36

are you trying to do to us, Taylor? Damn. Okay,

34:39

this just happens to be my most played songs. And

34:45

you become with a warning label, right? Yeah. Yeah.

34:49

All right, we've got Bigger Than the Whole Sky, Dear

34:52

Reader, No. Maroon,

34:56

You're Losing Me, My Tears Ricochet. I

34:58

mean, so far, these make sense.

35:01

Yes. Right? Then

35:03

we have Epiphany, Hoax, Champagne

35:05

Problems, of course, Coney

35:08

Island. Hey, me. Yeah.

35:11

One of my current favs right now. It's a

35:13

good one. Yeah, and then that Evermore era too.

35:15

Also, yeah. Are we all Nick? Yeah,

35:18

I'm totally my Evermore era. Yeah. Totally.

35:21

You gotta get prepped. He didn't listen to Message in

35:23

the Bottle on the way here. Yeah.

35:28

I wasn't grooving in my car. I

35:30

see like in like a movie, like you see

35:32

the scenes of all of us like rolling up

35:34

to the podcast, like crying at Evermore, Nick's like,

35:36

nah, nah, nah, Nick, just bobbing. We've

35:40

got Right Where You Left Me, Nothing

35:43

New, Of Course, All

35:45

Too Well, Forever

35:48

Winter, We Were Happy, Last

35:50

Kiss, oh, Castles

35:53

Crumbling, Carolina, Great Song,

35:56

and White Horse. What

36:00

do you think, looking at this playlist, in

36:03

your opinion, what do you think

36:05

is Taylor Swift's saddest song? I

36:10

mean... That's hard. Dude,

36:13

this is tough. I mean, the ones that just jump out

36:15

at me are going to be My Tears Ricochet, Bigger

36:18

Than the Whole Sky, Dear Reader. Yeah,

36:22

I think Bigger Than the Whole Sky, or

36:24

You're Losing Me. You're Losing Me. And I

36:26

feel like, just timeline-wise, I almost feel like

36:28

you're losing me. It's just like the tip

36:30

of the iceberg of what we're going to

36:32

get with tortured poets. But

36:35

it's the freshest. It's the freshest cut for

36:37

us. Yeah. That's why maybe

36:39

it's more... Yeah. And I've

36:41

been trying to think because, depending on

36:44

where you look, the

36:46

genre for tortured poets is

36:48

different. Some websites say

36:50

it's alternative, some say it's like pop, some say it's

36:52

like synthy pop, so I truly don't know. And I'm

36:54

kind of excited to just not know until we hit

36:56

play. But in my head, I

36:58

feel like it's going to sonically and lyrically be

37:00

a mixture of You're Losing Me and The Great War.

37:04

That's what I'm thinking in my head. But

37:06

this will become very dated in a week. I feel like,

37:10

because it's tortured poets, that

37:13

reminds us of Folklore and Evermore. Because

37:16

that's whenever she was getting truly poetic with

37:18

what she was saying. So in my head,

37:20

I sort of envisioned that kind of vibe.

37:23

Yeah. But then I'm seeing Swift

37:26

Talk saying, if this is

37:28

the rebuttal to Reputation, what

37:30

if it's Angry? What if

37:32

it's that same

37:35

kind of angry, loud album

37:38

like Reputation was? Which is not the

37:40

vibe that I have in my head

37:42

at all. But could

37:44

be, could be the same kind of music. We're

37:47

going to be shocked no matter what. You saw

37:49

our faces the first time we pressed play

37:52

for Midnight Rain. Yeah. No,

37:55

I mean, yeah. Or actually Lavender Hayes. Lavender

37:57

Hayes was the first one. Still,

38:00

our faces for Midnight, our faces on all

38:02

of them. We're gonna be having those faces

38:04

again in a week. That's right,

38:07

because you can watch us and

38:09

listen to the Torture

38:11

Poets department for the first

38:14

time. We're gonna have a listening party on our YouTube

38:16

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38:18

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38:20

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38:22

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38:24

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38:26

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38:29

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38:31

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38:34

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38:36

and it's gonna be a blast. Yeah.

38:38

It's gonna be fun. I'm excited. I'm so excited. Me

38:40

too. All right,

38:42

so we have one last playlist. It's

38:45

called I Can Do It With a Broken

38:47

Heart and it's about acceptance. So here's what

38:49

Taylor had to say. Hey, Apple

38:51

Music, you've made it to my I Can

38:53

Do It With a Broken Heart playlist where

38:56

we finally find acceptance and can

38:58

start moving forward from loss or

39:00

heartbreak. These songs represent

39:03

making room for more good in your life,

39:05

making that choice. Because a lot

39:07

of time when we lose things, we gain things too.

39:11

I love this because we

39:13

know Taylor to be a hopeless romantic and she

39:15

can write the best breakup song you've ever heard

39:18

but she does continue to

39:20

open up her heart after it gets shattered.

39:22

And I respect that so, so, so, so,

39:24

so much because not everybody

39:27

can do that. You know? Because you can get

39:29

bitter, untrusting. You

39:31

can decide that this isn't for me

39:33

and she still deals

39:36

with it, writes her songs and

39:38

moves on. And writes beautiful, you're

39:41

on your own kids. Speaking of our

39:43

listening party, I mean the first time

39:45

hearing that and the blood soaked gown

39:47

and it's just like, oh,

39:49

she started off that song and it's like you're on

39:51

your own kid and it sounds so scary. And then

39:54

she ends it with, but you always

39:56

have been. You always have been,

39:58

you'll be okay. And that is. Hard

40:00

to think about and hard to accept,

40:03

but she's done it and accepted

40:05

it and picked herself up Phoenix

40:08

always rising from the ashes time and time again

40:12

Also on that list midnight rain labyrinth

40:17

The one which I think is just

40:19

perfect example of that. Yeah You

40:23

have August invisible string Happiness

40:27

that wouldn't make so much sense. Yeah, and so does

40:29

long story short. Yeah. Okay makes

40:31

sense that that would be on this playlist enclosure

40:35

Yeah, that makes sense to and ever more and

40:37

yeah You

40:39

know time to go probably should probably be

40:41

on this one, too. Yeah, I

40:43

forgot that you existed Excellent

40:46

example along with daylight. I Love

40:50

daylight this love which we will

40:52

break down on the podcast. Yeah, we will at

40:54

some point Clean now

40:56

that makes sense. Yeah If

40:59

any playlist it belongs on put it at the

41:01

top lean belongs on this one. Yes

41:04

now that we don't talk again

41:06

again innocent and

41:11

What Anna was doing not not

41:13

indigestion breathing You

41:20

know Tom's we love Tom's here if they ever

41:22

want to sponsor So

41:28

that was a Shocker from

41:31

Taylor Swift for her to put

41:34

all this together to listen to her

41:36

fans and come up and organize her

41:38

songs and to play lists of stages

41:42

of grief Now

41:44

I saw something that said Taylor

41:47

Swift has surprises that I couldn't find

41:49

or she said she's got surprises going

41:51

on But I couldn't find exactly what

41:53

this person was talking about. She always

41:55

has something up her sleeve. I mean

41:58

we said Or

42:00

I said on the last episode, I was

42:02

like, Taylor's been really quiet lately. And

42:05

then she dropped that moments after we walked out of

42:07

the studio. Of course, of course. Can't wait to find

42:09

out what she does today when we're done recording. But

42:13

she did, um, put her music

42:16

back on TikTok. Now,

42:18

now her music is back on

42:20

TikTok. And, um, I

42:22

don't know what it, what negotiations

42:24

happened, but she has new music

42:26

coming out in a week. And

42:29

so what a great time to

42:31

have her music back on

42:33

TikTok so people can use it. And,

42:35

um, now we're going to have

42:37

all new snippets that we're going to be

42:39

able to use in a week too. Yeah. I don't

42:41

know if this is correct. I was trying to read

42:44

about it this morning, trying to figure out how, how

42:46

that happened and why that happened. Um,

42:48

I read an article that was talking about how,

42:50

uh, Taylor, you know, in the process

42:52

of owning her master's recording her music and all of

42:55

that, she also owns the publishing rights. So

42:57

it's possible that she was able to like cut

42:59

her own deal with TikTok. I, again, I

43:01

don't know if that is correct. That

43:03

is just what I was like reading this morning. Um,

43:06

smart business woman. Yeah. Once again. Um, but

43:08

I, or some people were saying, you know,

43:10

it's very possible that she could have just

43:13

written a really pretty hefty check as well,

43:15

you know, so I don't know. And

43:17

I mean, Hey, remember we're, Taylor is

43:19

also looking at this clearly as business

43:21

decisions. So is TikTok and so is

43:24

her record label. So if

43:26

the most popular musician currently

43:28

right now is releasing a brand new album

43:31

that has already sold more

43:33

than 2 million copies, it's like the

43:35

biggest pre sale. In

43:37

a very long time. Um, that's

43:40

not on the biggest social media platform when

43:42

it comes out. That's going

43:44

to be a problem. That's costing a lot of

43:46

people a lot more money than they're losing. Yeah.

43:48

Uh, currently with it not being on there. So

43:51

all parties involved were like, yeah, we'll

43:53

let Taylor's on. I also think it's

43:56

funny cause you can tell like other

43:58

recording artists. Nobody's releasing music on. April

44:00

19th but everybody's releasing music in the weeks leading up

44:02

to it you know what I mean like nobody wants

44:04

to compete and it's so funny because every time I

44:06

see that there's like an artist releasing a new album

44:08

or new single or anything it's either right before the

44:10

19th or right after but it's not on the 19th

44:13

you know it's the same thing with movies you're not gonna

44:15

release a movie or

44:17

an action movie the same weekend as the New

44:19

Avengers movie right you're just not well even recently

44:22

Taylor with red Taylor's version she moved it

44:24

up right because of Adele or yeah yeah

44:26

yeah one of the two I can't I

44:28

was around the same time something like that

44:30

yeah and didn't like years ago Ed

44:32

Sheeran had talked about it how like when he's gearing

44:34

up to an album to an album release he double-checks

44:36

to make sure when is Taylor releasing when is Beyonce

44:38

releasing and when is Drake releasing those were like the

44:41

big ones that you don't want to compete

44:43

with and now it's like I feel like everybody's

44:45

just staying out of tape. Well

44:48

Drake did say Taylor's the only one

44:50

who would make me change a release

44:52

date. Yeah yeah ooh

44:55

we'll see what this album is

44:57

about in one week so

45:00

very excited and let's

45:03

check in from the Google voicemail

45:05

real quick yeah our

45:07

girl Madison was on it

45:10

as soon as we left as

45:12

soon as we left the studios literally last

45:15

week last Friday Madison

45:17

called not too long after

45:19

that to tell us some of her thoughts about

45:22

the playlist. I just wanted to

45:24

say I really love you guys so much my

45:26

name is Madison I've been following you guys for

45:28

like probably about a year now maybe and you

45:30

guys are just like having like a bunch of

45:32

50 friends so much I wish I could come

45:34

to you guys this event but unfortunately I do

45:36

not live in Texas but I just

45:38

wanted to say I love you guys and I hope you guys

45:40

cause I'll have a hitch. I can't wait

45:42

for us to finally get to evermore one

45:44

day. I don't know I just wanted to

45:47

mention all the playlist Taylor's just helped with

45:49

like the songs being sorted and

45:51

how insane that is and I feel like

45:53

everything we know now is just out the window

45:55

and it was obviously she was not comfortable

45:57

with the publication they used to stuff cause it's not Taylor's version

45:59

but I'm very generally curious to see where those songs

46:01

would have ended up on each playlist. Sorry,

46:04

I'm rambling. I hope you guys have the best day.

46:06

Me too, girl. I'm waiting forever more. I

46:11

am also curious on where she would have put the

46:13

Reputation and Debut songs on which playlist, you know? Maybe

46:15

she'll add them later. Yeah, right? She

46:17

could. She could. Thank

46:19

you so much, Madison. Thank you, Madison.

46:21

And she did mention our event. So

46:24

coming up here in two weeks. Oh

46:27

my goodness. Yeah.

46:29

We're having an event. It

46:33

is going to be so much fun. We're

46:35

going to be hanging out. It's called Swifties

46:37

in the Park. All the information is at

46:39

the13podcast.net and also in the description of this

46:41

podcast. We're just going to

46:43

have so much fun listening to Taylor's new

46:45

music, having fun, doing games, doing live podcasts.

46:47

We're going to have a Swiftie marketplace where

46:49

a lot of our Swiftie listeners who have

46:51

Swiftie themed businesses are going to be selling

46:53

their products. And it's just going to be

46:56

a lot of fun to hang out, shop,

46:59

take pictures with Swifties. It's going to be a lot of

47:01

fun. Talk about the new album. We're doing this a week

47:04

after Twitch or Pose comes out. So we're going to all

47:06

have thoughts and feelings. We are

47:08

going to know so

47:10

much more by then. And

47:13

have more questions. Have more questions. I

47:16

mean, I want to say we're going to know the whole

47:18

album, but I don't know that I would

47:20

know every word by then. That's only one

47:22

week or will we? I don't know. We're

47:25

going to see that. That gives us one

47:27

whole week to be able to take in

47:29

the album, to have a lot of questions,

47:31

a lot of thoughts, have a lot of

47:33

conversations with friends that didn't mean to do

47:36

that. I

47:40

did not mean to

47:42

do that, but I'm

47:44

thinking we're going to have a lot to

47:46

talk about with our Swiftie friends. We have a lot

47:49

to talk about when this podcast is over. Wow.

47:54

Okay. So the three of us will

47:56

be there. Lacey's probably not going to be there at

47:59

the event, but it is. April 27th, 2 to

48:01

5 at Grandscape in the Colony.

48:03

Bring a blanket, bring a lawn

48:06

chair, we're gonna be hanging out.

48:08

Bring your friends! Make new ones

48:10

there. Yeah, if you want to

48:12

come alone, please, please, please come alone. Like if

48:14

you feel like you just either moved to town or

48:16

you're looking for Swifty friends or you

48:18

just or your day-to-day friends aren't as die-hard Swifty's

48:20

of you are, come by yourself. We will be

48:22

there. We will be your friends. We're so excited.

48:24

Also, just to answer a few of our FAQs,

48:27

Frequently Asked Questions, we

48:30

will have like a wine cart there set up

48:32

and the park is surrounded by a bunch of

48:34

like restaurants and stuff. You are not allowed to

48:37

bring outside food or drink. So even though we

48:39

are phrasing it as Swifty's in the park, bring

48:41

your picnic blankets, unfortunately you cannot bring your own

48:44

food. You can't bring your own like sandwiches and

48:46

stuff, unfortunately, I'm so sorry. And I

48:48

saw some people asking like, where are

48:51

the restaurants and stuff around there? We're

48:53

talking like available in this

48:55

whole venue. So like walking. Yeah. You can

48:57

be walking around and there's tons of food

48:59

and drinks available. So it's not like,

49:01

yeah, I'm here leave. There's other restaurants nearby.

49:04

Yeah, it's like how can I explain it?

49:06

It's a park. Yeah, it's

49:08

like a large lawn area and

49:11

there's a bunch of restaurants. Yes, it's all right, right, right there.

49:13

It's not like you're gonna have to get in your car and

49:15

leave or anything. And it's all ages event. I

49:17

mean, you know Taylor Swift's music, so I don't

49:19

know what kind of language she's gonna have on

49:22

the post department, but bring your family. It's gonna

49:24

be a lot of fun and we're

49:26

gonna try and do a lot of games

49:28

and audience participation. And

49:30

it's just gonna be a blast hanging

49:32

out with Swifty. So all the info

49:34

tickets are all at the 13podcast.net, which

49:36

is in the description of this podcast.

49:38

So we hope to see you there.

49:40

And we

49:42

are gonna be doing our streaming

49:45

party, like we said, on our

49:47

YouTube channel. That's gonna be the

49:49

evening of 4.18 that

49:52

night, whenever it drops at

49:54

midnight Eastern time, 11 central

49:56

time. We're gonna

49:58

be here listening to the... Tortured

50:00

Poets Department for the first time

50:02

together, streaming it so we

50:05

can all take it in together. We will

50:07

be on headphones since we can't play music

50:09

and also that would be weird if people

50:12

are jumping in at different times. But we

50:14

can still tell you what song we're listening

50:16

to. We're going to go down the

50:18

whole track list order by order and take it

50:22

in and talk about it. So it's going to

50:24

be a lot of fun. We have a lot

50:26

of fun stuff coming up because it's fun to

50:28

be a Swifty. Thank you Taylor Swift for making

50:30

all of this possible. And Taylor, you are invited

50:32

to the event. Tickets are $13. Thanks

50:37

for listening. The 13th is

50:40

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