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when be seventh album renaissance

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dropped last week it's the metrostars

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first studio album since twenty six teams

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lemonade and sixteen tracks

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renaissance takes listeners on a dance

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music odyssey paying homage to

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nineties house music afrobeat

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bounce and the ballroom seems

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not to mention samples from artists like donna

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summer and grace were reviewing

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the album for this edition of the one a

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2:06

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2:09

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2:11

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2:13

great have thanks, happy new year so

2:16

i to to start with your initial reactions

2:18

to the album sandwich you think about it when you first

2:21

listened you know the first

2:23

night it came out i ,

2:25

it through once before went to and

2:27

i said, i don't get it it's kind of

2:29

lot then by the third,

2:31

third play, the next day, i

2:33

was like, oh i get it and

2:36

what i i love about it is that it's

2:38

really just an album for them beyond say showing

2:41

see had two three years and pandemic

2:43

to work the best producers best song writers

2:46

been a ton of money of money really great tracks

2:49

and for an hour over these dancer

2:51

axes as someone else and this so many vocal

2:53

ideas that it takes a while for you to get

2:55

it but once you do get it you just

2:57

marvel at how it is and how

3:00

good cs smell of it clear what about

3:02

you

3:02

yeah i'm i think for me growing up

3:04

in a household athlete a lot of house music

3:07

arm and also disco i pretty much

3:09

grasp the concept literally from the imagery

3:12

before we even heard that album so

3:14

once i did listen said the album i

3:16

immediately was in love with the transitions

3:18

had everything was seen lists ah

3:20

i'm also like just vocally

3:23

how she was able it's true like show off

3:25

think over the years we've seen as she's grown

3:27

as a vocalist sense now as

3:29

a complete a whole rt so it's amazing

3:31

says the in here in our i fell it

3:33

the first america

3:34

so i did my first listen to the album

3:37

the morning after he dropped i

3:39

was out my dogs as it were gonna walk

3:41

embargo listen to renaissance and

3:43

word that just kept coming back to me over and

3:46

again was defy it there was something about

3:48

it that just

3:50

the face of

3:51

them you know what it's like to be in the news grind in the

3:53

face of part of the consensus

3:56

there was something that was just defiantly

3:58

joyful about it

3:59

that was the word that they kept coming up for

4:02

a review we got from

4:04

the heat are in harrisburg i love

4:06

that the new be anti renaissance album my

4:08

favorite song has got to the church girl

4:11

and i just love how her music seems

4:13

to be speaking to me personally i've

4:16

of the entrees than ever since best michelle

4:19

and i'm jasmine be a of the

4:21

beehive renaissance is agree album

4:23

stuff's albums roulette was unique rubio

4:25

the for a while it wasn't a surprise we knew it was comments

4:28

are we had a lead single with break most

4:30

foul and some hype leading up to the album's

4:32

release

4:34

did you think about the way she chose to roll this the

4:36

album out think it was very interesting

4:38

especially you the

4:41

she would do an album drop almost ten years

4:43

ago when she dropped her

4:45

self titled sis album in two thousand

4:47

and thirteen it totally changed

4:49

the way the entire industry dropped album seated

4:52

the surprise drop with all the at

4:54

once and a big same the

4:56

marketing push to instagram and facebook and

4:58

see organizes whole thing her south or company

5:01

park word and to see did that

5:03

everyone said will do surprise us as well

5:05

so to see her go back to a route

5:08

that's more of a traditional

5:10

you might say oh she's stepping backwards but

5:13

see in this release still in is

5:15

still on top she had this bradford's

5:18

earth that i think british vo when see now

5:20

see albums and usually wounded

5:22

doing these things for these in a big magazines

5:25

you're begging them for coverage hoping their nice

5:27

to you this both spread on

5:29

beyond say was in service to her

5:31

know they were happy to get the photos

5:33

happy talk to her and they were given her free marketing

5:36

and his and even as she kind of returns

5:39

to what may feel old she's doing

5:41

it as now the master

5:43

of this industry so it's feel

5:45

so dismal but actually it's not to

5:47

see systems nominal

5:49

yeah let's get back to the music this

5:51

is cathy

6:11

okay i haven't been a roller skates in like

6:14

fifteen twenty years and i was reaching

6:17

own as like as michael find and provide and value

6:20

my life the key a to stop stop

6:22

it that the album's seventies

6:24

and eighties influences

6:26

now rodgers is on it's hard you

6:28

he and he memory or named in the credits

6:31

you were on our renaissance

6:33

drop day twitter spaces conversation

6:35

and use it topic should have been the lead single

6:37

over break my soul

6:38

why i'm cassettes me

6:41

is s like i don't know to

6:43

me it's like the quintessential

6:45

like there's a lot of found on this album right

6:47

like their house there is though this test

6:49

know of by as far as like

6:51

beginning i think she sets

6:53

the stage pretty well a cockpit sydney is like

6:55

the little sister of blow if

6:58

blow from self titled had like it

7:01

would be if says perfect like makes

7:03

you happy it makes you wanna dance of

7:05

the first had three four songs on the album

7:07

is says like it sets the like

7:10

for alsace i think if that

7:12

would have came out before break muscle i think

7:14

it would have generated different response i think

7:17

people would have understood what she on the project

7:19

before the project

7:20

dr sam what do you think about

7:22

as

7:22

i think it's great and i think to even hear

7:24

the folks that are in the see

7:27

nile rodgers on this track as

7:29

well as for our you know there are other were

7:31

says deaths grill exxon their that she has grace

7:34

jones grace jones album see someone

7:36

who not only everyone wants to work

7:38

with she's also someone at this point

7:40

who can afford any body can afford

7:42

any sample and can afford any lyrics

7:45

and it's nice to see

7:48

an artist who has all power also

7:50

continue to push yourself creatively

7:53

i think with cassette with other songs like

7:55

ah it's called burgos groove you're

7:58

her just have fun vocal the

8:01

in a way to seems for seems and so the have

8:03

that freshness while also to be

8:05

so dominates you don't see that a lot

8:07

and this is the great it's great great combination

8:09

so this is one of the songs we're we

8:11

hear beyond say pay

8:13

homage to dance music the seventies and eighties

8:16

and nineties why

8:18

do you think she decided to reach back

8:20

for inspiration

8:22

wow on we've been live in a

8:24

some pretty crazy five the last three years

8:26

hat well

8:27

they were basically three but the lanka ah

8:30

a hasn't been that great the as we've been dealing

8:32

with a lot and the

8:34

overall and if you go back to

8:36

that seventies and eighties era of disco

8:39

as then house a lot of that music

8:41

was a form of escapism for the lgbtq

8:44

community who has affected by everything

8:46

with the whole hiv aids you

8:48

know situation at that time

8:51

like anything generational wise

8:53

women in their rights and it

8:55

seems like everyone would even say state athletes

8:57

as i paradise garage and studio fifty

8:59

four and all of these iconic places

9:01

for dance house so

9:03

if right after going

9:05

through a period of avenue like lemonade

9:07

and albums like the gift or even the song

9:09

like for a where she

9:11

speaks a lot about like you know rights for

9:13

women and for african americans

9:16

and just every one in their right

9:18

to be free i think we do need as just

9:20

dancing

9:22

kind of exceed the the hidden sam

9:24

what do you think what do you think the reach to the past

9:26

inspiration for this album he knows yes

9:28

he does it frequently i , really

9:31

impressed by

9:33

the way she fully incorporated queer music

9:35

and queer sounds this album but in terms of

9:37

disco insult throwback season doing that for

9:40

awhile and awhile think my favorite beyond the album's

9:42

have more of that so albums like be day

9:44

and ask for their

9:47

full old spunk sounds

9:49

old disco sounds also disco

9:51

that's actually secretly were beyond

9:53

say does best you know we love to

9:55

hear her rap saying we love to hear her do hip

9:57

hop up the best version of the ah

9:59

they his music for the cookout that you

10:02

aren't it and love well and

10:04

i just always open she's doing that see

10:06

so good at that's because this email from jeffrey

10:08

he says i remember martin saying

10:10

that at one point in his career people

10:13

would start laughing almost before he got

10:15

the joke out they were laughing the

10:17

joke but because he was steve martin

10:19

is beyond says new actually good

10:21

or is good because it's beyond at

10:24

this moment and her career

10:26

sam what would you say yes

10:28

to both yes , both i

10:30

think like and in some regards

10:32

it is truly remarkable she's

10:35

pulling off as a vocalist as

10:37

an executive producer of an hour long project

10:39

full of hundreds of ideas but there

10:41

are other of this album where i'm like it's a little

10:43

cheesy a corny i never

10:45

like it when rich people have song

10:48

lyrics about being rich i it's tired

10:50

and i don't it and their

10:52

songs where she's just bragging about being wealthy

10:55

not into that but it'll be on-site i'll

10:57

forgive it there's also some times

10:59

when she tries to take an afro

11:01

beats a way that feels

11:04

like it's almost trying too hard

11:06

want say the song move you know she's

11:09

wraps thinking i'm out the jungle

11:11

and it's like you want out of a jungle your the

11:13

houston and feels a little corny but

11:15

when beyond the does corny i still love it because

11:18

it's beyond say and i think that

11:20

in moments the lyrics feel a

11:22

little bit too cheesy or nonsensical

11:25

it doesn't matter because she's singing these lyrics so

11:27

well and she it so much and

11:29

the beets are so good you can forgive

11:32

it all in part because he's beyond say but

11:34

in part she's just such an amazing

11:36

vocal whatever see sings

11:38

is gonna sound good like if her

11:40

next album was beyond this thing beyond

11:42

phone book with the drums

11:45

in play by like two chances at

11:47

the love it is her skirt is t

11:49

or when they get your take on that as well on

11:51

would agree that i think it's

11:54

i think that at this point

11:57

in her career she's been doing this for twenty

11:59

five years

12:00

garnered her fan base people

12:03

are gonna go for be as they just because it's the

12:05

i say it's like me would get a allocated

12:08

for hundred number of again a period of as if how

12:10

people are but i also agree

12:12

that been worth their in line on abu are that

12:14

was a this is an appointee are now that of it

12:16

doesn't really fit well with you like were

12:18

offered us a song that there is a

12:21

a line where she says like popular with my bones

12:24

and i'm like man you're from their

12:26

money you're from the suburbs like you know

12:28

we don't have any goons course but

12:30

of us but i'm other than

12:32

that even when it is likely or

12:34

the site is the v arm

12:36

is beyond say if she finds say way to still making

12:39

kind of fun to wrap along wrap or sing

12:41

along to assad's definitely along mixture

12:43

of both she's so high up that

12:46

is kind of like

12:46

you can kind of faith according

12:48

the he's shown as he does have the artistry

12:51

to go

12:52

the so what as he said

12:54

renaissance pastry

12:55

black lgbtq music and

12:57

culture and there's a long list of lgbtq

12:59

collaborative on the album including big

13:01

frida is t s madison honey dijon

13:04

said and had an audience

13:07

bmc also dedicated the album to her uncle johnny

13:09

he passed away from complications of each i see

13:12

and she honored him during or twenty nineteen

13:14

glad media awards acceptance speech

13:16

the i want to dedicate this

13:18

or my uncle john the

13:20

most fabulous gay man i've ever

13:25

the help raise me and my sister

13:28

he lives his truth he was

13:30

brave and unapologetic

13:31

a time when this country wasn't as

13:33

accepting a witnessing

13:35

his battle with hiv was

13:37

one of the most painful experiences

13:40

i've lived

13:41

i'm hopeful that a struggle

13:43

there open pathway for young

13:45

people to live more freely lgbtq

13:49

right or human rights

13:51

similar your thoughts on how this album

13:54

earners beyond his uncle johnny and

13:56

the lgbtq community i

13:58

think if you listen to it mostly

14:00

if you check out the names involved

14:03

from , history of queer house music

14:06

and this albums the less

14:08

and less you signed on part for lots of people who

14:10

don't know is that house

14:12

music from it's start was very

14:14

black and very clear it was created

14:16

in sit idle by queer people

14:19

dance music has always been very black

14:21

which is also very and

14:23

to tie these things together to

14:26

save for an call our

14:28

know black music is dance music

14:30

is queer music that's a very powerful

14:33

statements interest to see

14:35

someone who have to do that do

14:37

it anyway i liked it a you

14:39

know beyond say it's didn't have to

14:41

have this message throughout her entire album

14:44

but i think it's really important to see it especially

14:47

we see another pandemic start to

14:49

rise here in this country that has been

14:51

blamed on queer people to see

14:53

someone like beyond say queer

14:56

art and this way it's thank

14:58

goodness for it for reviewing be unsafe

15:00

new album renaissance will be back with

15:02

more from you and our guests and just guests you're

15:05

listening to the weeds

15:12

around the country police do not

15:14

look like

15:14

the communities they serve

15:16

many people want that to change including

15:19

someplace

15:19

reputation madison people who

15:21

look like you matter i'm arbitrary my community

15:24

are becoming a cops it

15:26

might be too much pressure put

15:28

on black officers

15:29

with a now on embedded from

15:31

npr

15:34

get back to the when a record club were

15:36

be unsafe new album renaissance with

15:38

key a turner from okay player and podcast

15:41

sam sanders will cause

15:43

it tina murray sample carries over

15:45

onto the next track in the album net energy

15:48

amazon also includes the drumbeat from khalis

15:50

as two thousand three hit milkshake he spoke

15:53

out

15:53

that of renaissance's release said she had

15:55

been informed the album was using part of her song

15:57

she wrote on instagram quote it's not a collapse

16:00

that and quotes a kid sampling

16:02

is common in the music industry but what

16:04

are the and ethics around

16:06

it yet

16:07

though i know everyone's been chatting

16:10

about the whole co meath be at the

16:12

situation i guess the best way to

16:14

break you down very simple it very quickly

16:16

is legally did beyond the do the

16:18

right thing yet so when sample

16:20

someone the only people that legal

16:23

we have to be credited in a thought well

16:25

the credit or the song writers

16:27

and pretty

16:28

that song food composed with on

16:30

so technically it's

16:32

fake bat in the album

16:35

a contract check on streaming for

16:37

our williams a child who love why the neptune

16:39

wrote and produced milkshake though

16:41

legally that is who be awfully happy

16:43

credit as be all of

16:46

the thought i'm i believe on

16:49

the actual cd because some people have begun

16:51

by speedy of waiting for passes to

16:53

sail com um but

16:55

mbct actually does say that police

16:57

is listed as the i'm associated former

17:00

of the fall all and even that

17:03

she deleted half the credit am i

17:05

understand police's concerns on

17:07

because there's a lot of legal situations

17:09

the sweetheart the net seemed as far as like

17:11

to own a milkshake and who

17:13

wrote wide and just a lot of

17:15

legal thing that happened between or star trek

17:17

in the met some however i it's

17:20

a little bit misguided because the

17:22

ip in her t my part would be what

17:24

was legally right which with

17:26

crediting the net soon as the song writers

17:28

and producers of that are we got

17:30

this tweet from ray regarding sampling

17:33

he say rebounds he is at his best

17:35

at her craft bnc

17:36

that an artist as artists create

17:38

she does not writer or music at least not by herself

17:42

craft his performances she does it well

17:44

so what are your thoughts on on that

17:46

taken on how bmc used samples

17:49

this album they

17:51

get the very communal process of writing songs

17:54

and making music and i like

17:56

it i think that we've been tricked

17:58

to believe that this of

18:00

the singer songwriter who does all of

18:02

the amazing work themselves and ends up only

18:04

playing for court on a guitar

18:07

that , the way of true art now

18:09

you know sometimes the best art comes out

18:11

of community and so when i see beyond they

18:13

have a few hundred credits

18:15

on her album album to

18:17

me say and she's a really good executive

18:19

producer who knows how knows produce

18:22

an ensemble cast of players

18:24

to make the best work and i think that

18:26

is just as commendable as

18:28

someone who sits in a room alone for six months

18:30

to make an if it sounds good it

18:32

sounds good and i can a at the

18:34

way seeking ton of commandeer an entire

18:36

team i think team but we

18:39

mentioned renaissance includes zone or as

18:41

like house disco bounce afro

18:43

beats here is

18:45

bounce music having a resurgence

18:48

as and if you think so why do you think it's happening now

18:50

and why won't say of having

18:52

a resurgence i think what's happening

18:54

is that the african american community

18:57

an african amir inhibition our

18:59

side to reclaim because a

19:01

lot of people don't understand why you you

19:04

have like this so then for fiscal

19:06

you see how that house really

19:08

is the mother father however you

19:10

wanna what it out what's

19:12

the come after that which is pets now

19:14

a pdf which is

19:16

and all that great south i'm

19:18

tablet and say that it's like becoming

19:20

more popular i think we're just reclaiming

19:22

if we're seeing it would drink with of the

19:24

and we never mind project where he is

19:26

on sampling and referencing baltimore

19:29

club jersey club and believe

19:31

club on in

19:33

our thing it would be on stay with her reference

19:35

saying that there is a like a couple elements

19:37

for by baltimore jersey club on the album

19:40

but dance and is now

19:42

so it's more just about us reclaiming

19:44

as opposed to it becoming

19:46

popular will explain to detract

19:48

from renaissance this renaissance pure honey

19:51

is a cast a billion to listen and

19:59

hi

20:03

to pretty girls

20:05

estimates and up here honey samples

20:07

attract by ballroom dj make it a few

20:10

key as just explained to bit more about

20:12

ballroom and what we're hearing in this track

20:14

he was actually from a far as new jersey

20:17

on he is a very known dj

20:20

and with in the boardroom see

20:22

if watched the show on h

20:25

b o he is the dj that one there

20:27

but the bottom

20:28

the pain

20:29

he actually came

20:32

from the like you have the ballroom

20:34

theme which would very like a

20:36

macbook like after passing but

20:38

as you know certain things within cultures

20:41

the black an enlightened that community

20:43

felt like they were be ostracized from

20:45

that community and they created their own seen

20:47

in harlem which is now what we know

20:49

as basel embark on have gone through many

20:51

different forms and variation

20:54

from the more traditional side of it's the what we

20:56

have bow on a lot of

20:58

the girls from the ballroom seen it

21:00

as a girls with love been a lot of the girls

21:02

above are now like choreographers

21:05

like lay on me com has also

21:07

been a legendary she's also regular fiance

21:09

before i'm the

21:11

influence is very obvious

21:13

it's in t v it's impose a

21:15

the balls walking the different categories

21:17

the music so with a pure

21:19

slash honey which also samples my renee

21:22

i'm a faint nineties track

21:24

performer and you're

21:26

you're getting a lot of those chancing

21:29

a lot of the elements that goes into

21:31

or a lot that like crap

21:33

talking added he would say of like

21:36

your ego and bravado on because

21:38

the bar of is all about be

21:39

the paid him being heard south death now

21:42

you mention legendary and that are a ballroom

21:44

competition show on h b o you haven't checked

21:46

out or sweet lot of fun sam

21:48

how do you think ballroom

21:51

shows up on this album like outside

21:54

of this try it

21:56

shows up in the way sees delivering

21:59

a lot of though there's

22:01

a certain kind of the robot

22:03

i and performance and

22:05

just showing off energy the

22:07

and higher albums there

22:10

are no sab ballads there's

22:12

no morning

22:15

, beyond say it's not all

22:17

just joyous it's all all

22:19

it is and see say and look at me

22:22

i'm bad and bossy and that the interviews

22:24

you get from ballroom from so

22:26

like pose from says like legendary

22:29

so she has this performance of confidence

22:31

throughout the entire this that feels very

22:33

feels know lgbtq

22:35

contributions to disco and funk

22:37

music and in the seventies and vast

22:41

giddy think renaissance does renaissance good job

22:43

of paying tribute to that history

22:47

you know i do you know i know there

22:49

are some people who feel like

22:51

not directly house or it's not

22:54

directly this or that but i

22:56

actually appreciate as she the do a

22:58

copy of faith the things i liked

23:00

that she actually elements of

23:03

house elements exist though and

23:05

my creative her own world bill

23:07

very futuristic but also paid

23:09

for much to that error like i think

23:11

of the vest their right like as the is

23:14

he was around i think he would really love

23:16

the lot of the that i think about

23:18

like you know larry levant who was a faint

23:20

you know dj a new york

23:22

at paradise the rides were a lot

23:25

of house music was like made and

23:27

remake think created and i think

23:29

he would have been playing the far as he was still

23:31

here so definitely think she

23:33

found a way to pay homage with wow filmmaking

23:35

eat your it didn't seem your thoughts yeah

23:38

you know i think if i had a critique

23:40

of this album it

23:42

would be that like there's so many ideas

23:45

jam packed into every song and the entire

23:47

our it's that it's might

23:49

have stuck a little harder

23:51

if beyond say had stayed

23:53

in one lane for the entire thing but that's not

23:55

what she does and i think instead

23:58

of getting an album with this other

24:00

focus you can i get an album

24:03

that ends up given a central vibe

24:05

but it's him that there are hundreds

24:07

of ideas she's jumping and

24:09

darlene between certain times

24:12

of performance and certain kinds of sounds

24:14

and that as invigorating that yeah

24:16

had their ban a shorter a

24:19

p that was just kind of the house music

24:21

that could have been fun to but i

24:23

think the beauty of what beyond say is doing

24:25

right now as as to suspect seen all

24:27

of her muscles and when you're doing that

24:30

you get a lot all at once and sounds

24:32

great sounds like mentioning that this album

24:34

is being released while states are an

24:36

onslaught of anti legislation

24:39

according to be cel used it lawmakers

24:41

proposed early two hundred forty bills this

24:44

year that would limit the right to the lgbtq

24:46

americans and that's including in texas

24:48

where pnc from how

24:50

do you think this album fits in with the

24:52

activism be unsafe known to do

24:55

through her music scene i don't know

24:57

yet i mean i think that

25:00

anything the last several years have taught

25:02

us that visibility for

25:04

queer people doesn't translates

25:07

into political action political action behalf

25:10

so i don't know i am not gonna sit

25:12

here and say beyond say making a queer albums

25:15

woodson's the politics in a state like

25:17

texas but i do hope

25:20

that is there is sources

25:22

encouragement to that communities that

25:24

can be helpful but i'm

25:27

at i'm under no assumption that

25:29

the visibility that be as a chance to quit people

25:31

and this album to move the needle

25:33

the an hour but also that's she's

25:35

not she's not doing that work here you know

25:38

she's also a very quiet activists has been

25:40

known to give a lot of money do a lot of various causes

25:42

with no one even knowing so what i want

25:44

to see as a year to from now that

25:46

paper trail cause i think will be a lot of activity

25:49

there let's do one more song

25:51

from the album this album this innocent

26:10

yeah

26:12

this is the last rak on the album he

26:15

plays on a summer's head i feel love

26:17

that something so serial

26:21

about ending the album here it's just sort of sort

26:24

of transcended again of transcended out walking the dogs

26:26

that was like op it is kind of what a float away it's

26:28

what what was your take on this song

26:30

oh when i first

26:32

college athletes and i felt some a renaissance i

26:34

need a we thought that the summer at a news release

26:37

alive with the eyes is infinitely

26:39

new on for them when i

26:41

heard the fall out the thing where you felt like

26:43

on first of all her vocals are of fourth

26:45

absolutely amazing actually seen it over

26:48

and over expand as as well but like she just

26:50

keeps getting better don't know how you keep getting better

26:52

with a like seventy

26:53

but like

26:55

people epidural any just really

26:57

how are away but i think for me when i sip

27:00

away from it is we know donna summer

27:02

and you know for a lot of the younger

27:04

kids they know her as setting in they

27:06

know her visually baby know summer for

27:08

hit but i don't think we've we've properly

27:11

given her her credit as being like

27:13

one of the black pop star

27:15

that me see in that era that be as

27:17

the is paying homage to she was

27:19

in this so and able transition into

27:22

effect snow and do our be

27:24

as just do it all and

27:26

she really is one of the queen too late a blueprint

27:28

for women like on bags on

27:31

this is the first time as she sample donna summer

27:33

she sample data on all heard

27:36

debut album dangerously in love with

27:38

naughty girl on so she's

27:40

and she's done it before in her face before his

27:42

so she's always paid homage but i think it's very

27:45

because donna unfortunately passed

27:47

away from cancer and

27:50

i think she's kind of in the saddle the themes

27:52

so to end this album that plays

27:54

on so many genres and so many

27:56

sounds and says this this is lee

27:59

own in on one down for and this

28:01

album you know this album off with insufficient

28:03

pay homage to her it is a summer and

28:05

about because was that for so many

28:08

people in the i community

28:11

ah so yeah i love that was

28:13

him and an episode of your podcast into

28:15

you talked to danielle smith a former

28:17

editor in chief of five magazine and she said

28:19

quote people talk about ford

28:21

they talk about nike they talk about coke and

28:23

pepsi and they should talk about beyond say

28:26

i she is not even at the middle of she's

28:28

going to be and quote a how

28:30

are you thinking about we're beyond

28:32

say is in her career that we've got

28:34

this album yeah i think

28:37

you have to look at where this album falls

28:40

and her entire career so she's been

28:42

a professional performer for

28:45

almost twenty five years now see

28:47

still making it hits he still

28:49

make it out they got a number one on the chart

28:51

she still has are tensions

28:54

and she's also at the same time become a better

28:56

artist every album see better

28:59

than she's ever sounded before and

29:01

she still pushing herself creatively i

29:03

, you know any

29:05

artist would beg for a

29:08

career like that twenty five years

29:10

and and it's important to just look

29:12

at the way that sees celebrity

29:14

performed her artistry for a quarter

29:16

century now that's remarkable

29:18

and even if you don't love this album respect

29:21

that that's impressive

29:24

so that's what i'm doing right now secure you

29:26

now secure compile a of the

29:28

seventy greatest be as a songs for rolling

29:30

stones a days abu that from two

29:32

thousand and six be day top

29:34

that lists where do you think recent

29:36

falls if you to bring their albums

29:39

well my favor brc albums

29:41

are days ago so vital

29:44

in africa so i think

29:46

that's think that's about the be as a fear that i

29:48

am i just love when she's

29:50

in that way bad

29:52

i love when she very on t

29:54

i love when she's like very

29:57

much as a diva that she ate i appreciate

29:59

when she that velveeta for her artistry

30:02

a she offered project five lemonade

30:04

or x you know she does just want to both really

30:06

show off like when i am like four or

30:08

am i in fact of beers flight for

30:11

me i think she's seinfeld

30:14

when she's allow herself to just

30:16

be the freebie that as she is in the city

30:18

out ah i don't think any of the fungal

30:21

the album from close to these other pages

30:23

as i've been

30:25

on i will say that

30:27

like i can definitely see

30:30

maybe with a and i would have a sit with

30:32

the album for a little bit but i could definitely

30:34

see us revisiting that list

30:36

they be upgraded get with a definitely

30:39

appeal of the fall from the doubt sam

30:41

renaissance's act is three just

30:43

a couple of sentences what do you hope we see

30:45

in the next two installments of the project i

30:48

hope she's having fun but i also all

30:50

of this inspires people to go back and listen

30:52

to the best beyond album which

30:54

is be day ooh that's the best we

30:56

gotta hear it so good i

30:59

, i'm going to listen to renaissance one

31:01

more time that i'm going to go back and listen

31:03

to some some be i'd

31:05

say albums just to refresh my memory

31:07

we've been talking to sam sanders he's the host

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vultures pop culture pumpkin into

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eight and kia [unk] turner she's a music

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journalist at okay player sam key

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producer was rp getty our podcast

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