0:01

This is the best of two pros

0:03

and au Lamar ding

0:06

Win and Jonas Knots on Box

0:09

Radio.

0:13

How the hell we feel in here in a Monday BQ.

0:16

Just trying to take in the draft. I

0:18

mean, it's there's so many interesting takeaways.

0:22

Obviously after free agency, now after the draft,

0:24

I think every fan out there has an idea of like where

0:26

their team's at, their chance of winning

0:29

a Super Bowl this year. Obviously

0:31

a lot of time until the season starts. But I

0:33

gotta tell you, I I kind

0:35

of fed off some of your enthusiasm for the

0:38

draft.

0:38

It's it's such a cool event.

0:40

It's such a neat experience even

0:42

to go through it, but looking

0:44

back on it now, just it's

0:48

it's the most unique draft.

0:50

And an event.

0:50

I think there is a professional sports and no

0:52

one does it better in the NFL.

0:55

And I think the final tally was

0:57

just under eight hundred thousand fans. Yeah,

1:03

because you really do combine

1:05

the best of both worlds. If the NFL is

1:07

king and college football is second, it's it's

1:10

the one event where they're all together at the same

1:12

time, and you kind of you kind of mix both

1:14

those audiences in. But just the

1:16

NFL's idea on moving this

1:18

thing around, and you know, going from

1:20

New York and all that, and I know, you know, you guys

1:23

like the tradition of New York. I've

1:25

always liked the draft because

1:27

it just gave everybody hope. They're like, all

1:29

right, we may have sucked last year, but

1:31

you know there's some hope here. And then just

1:34

to see what it's turned into. When

1:37

we were in Vegas for the Draft a couple of

1:39

years ago. You've been to a bunch of drafts and it

1:41

just to be there and to see what it's turned

1:43

into from all these years later, and it just

1:45

gets bigger and better every single year. And

1:47

then next year, if I'm not mistaking it's Green Bay,

1:49

correct, I think it's in Green Bay

1:52

next year. So that's going to be

1:54

that's going to be pretty wild as well too. So

1:56

good times, good times to be had at the Draft.

1:59

I mean, look, I just I would

2:01

appreciate it personally if we

2:03

could just skip past the whole international

2:05

fan of the Year reading the pick for

2:07

some of these guys. That part really bothers

2:10

me. It really bo It's like these

2:12

guys are supposed to take

2:14

in the moment, the biggest moment

2:17

of their career, of their life. They've worked

2:19

so hard to get up to this point. They're

2:21

gonna get their name called and

2:23

get drafted. And

2:25

it's some goofball wearing

2:28

all team uniforms. Like they had a guy

2:30

who was dressed up in suspenders with

2:32

a cheese hat on because he was representing

2:35

the Packers, some guy from like London

2:37

or someplace like that. You got like

2:39

this other guy, like representing the Bears.

2:41

Some slob. He comes out there and like

2:44

a jack Sanborn Jersey and he starts

2:46

reading off the pick in the fourth round. We

2:49

give them games, all right, They get their

2:52

games, all right, they get a few a year. We

2:54

just don't need these guys walking up there

2:56

look looking like dummies,

2:58

you know, reading off these picks because they're half in the bag.

3:01

I think it's a bit insulting, to be honest with you.

3:03

See, you don't think that's part of them trying to, you know, spread

3:05

the game internationally,

3:07

and that that's part of their little I don't know,

3:10

try trying to dig in to spread

3:12

the game.

3:14

It isn't isn't them getting a game

3:16

enough? Do we have to reward the fans

3:18

by getting up there to read these picks, you

3:20

know, like somebody's gonna screw something up, and

3:22

then it turns into like some professional wrestling

3:25

event where they're calling out the opposing fan

3:27

base and this and that. It's like, dude, just

3:29

let these guys enjoy their moment. Can we

3:31

get somebody with some credibility up there to read

3:33

these pics? It's all about yeah.

3:35

Okay, that's how you feel about

3:37

it.

3:37

I think what's interesting is I've never actually

3:40

asked an international fan that

3:42

is a fan of the NFL, like, do you watch the Draft?

3:45

I mean, I think we all understand they're going to

3:47

watch the Super Bowl, they might even attend

3:50

the game that's over in London or overseas.

3:52

That's over in Europe, right, But do

3:54

you actually watch the draft?

3:55

Right?

3:56

I mean that's the next step of really getting

3:58

the intrigue of it, because it's not like, as they would

4:00

say, it's not like they watched university. You know, they're

4:02

not watching college football mostly, although

4:05

college football is trying to you

4:07

know, create it's uh, it's footprint

4:09

over there. Yeah, clearly, we went to Ireland last

4:12

year saw that firsthand.

4:13

Are we going back this year?

4:15

I don't know, you know who where

4:18

it doesn't.

4:18

Seem like there's uh maybe the hoops

4:20

for the jump through last year. It doesn't seem like there's a lot

4:22

of momentum of us going back this year. You

4:25

know.

4:25

I mean it's either that or maybe we're not getting invited

4:28

back. You know, you know we could we could have done

4:30

some damage out there, and maybe there's

4:33

some money we're lost.

4:34

Damn bar.

4:35

It was a great time, but it

4:38

was by a couple of rounds there. It

4:40

was a lot more expensive than I anticipated.

4:42

I do appreciate the fact that if

4:44

if somebody offers you a

4:47

beer at ten in the

4:49

morning and you say no,

4:51

they look at you like you're the weirdo.

4:55

I do appreciate that that like you're the one

4:57

who's got the issue, not me having

4:59

a be or my second beer at ten in the

5:01

morning. It's you who's got the problem.

5:03

It's like, okay, well, I mean it's it's

5:06

two o'clock in the morning back home. You

5:08

know, it's not exactly the time I want to have a guinness.

5:10

But you know, you have fun and you tear it

5:12

up a little bit. I do when

5:15

it comes to the draft and just sort

5:17

of the you kind of pointed this out

5:19

it did feel like there's not as many

5:22

guys going to the draft, like it did

5:24

feel like there wasn't that the green room wasn't

5:26

as packed.

5:26

It wasn't.

5:27

And I'm just wondering, with it being

5:29

in Green Bay next year, is this

5:31

gonna I mean, are we gonna see the numbers dwindle even

5:33

more? Like maybe that maybe these places aren't

5:35

quote unquote cool enough for him for some of

5:37

these players to go get drafted there. Because

5:41

if you're the guy getting drafted by

5:43

the team hosting the draft, it's

5:46

awesome. It's like Arnold for Alabama

5:49

who went and got drafted by the Lions in the first

5:51

round. That was awesome. So if you're one

5:53

of these guys that gets drafted by the Packers next

5:55

year, they're gonna roll out the red carpet

5:57

and you're gonna be celebrated unlike anybody else.

6:00

So let's just talk about the quarterbacks, because we had six

6:02

go in the top twelve picks, and if I'm

6:04

not mistaken, we're the.

6:05

Top three all at the draft.

6:10

Caleb Williams obviously was, Yes, I believe

6:12

Jane Daniels was and was, and Drake

6:14

may was, and I think that's a lot to do with

6:16

the fact that we anticipated all three of

6:18

those going one, two, three.

6:20

You know, if you.

6:21

Look at how the draft, even back when

6:23

I'd went, you know, there

6:25

was five of us and I hadn't

6:27

met with the team outside the top ten, and

6:30

obviously all those guys went inside the top seven.

6:33

So that was kind of the mold

6:36

or model, if you will, is

6:38

they anticipated having, you

6:40

know, a group of guys they all thought were going in the top ten.

6:43

And I think if you look at the quarterbacks, for example,

6:45

Michael Penix Junior, who ended up going to eight, probably

6:48

the biggest surprise of the draft, JJ

6:50

mccarthur ends up going what tenth, I think, right

6:52

the Jets traded out that spot, and then you

6:55

had the Broncos who took Bonix. All three

6:57

were somewhere else, and the reason

6:59

being is there was speculation, wild speculation

7:02

over where any of them would go. So

7:06

I think that lends a little bit of an understanding

7:08

to being someone

7:10

who's been there and who's gone through sitting

7:13

in the green room and having to

7:15

wait and having a camera on you. Is when you do

7:19

fall like, that's what you

7:21

sign up for. You signed

7:23

up for the exposure to they're

7:25

going to talk about it, and they're gonna put you on camera.

7:27

It's one of the storylines, you know,

7:29

for this year, maybe it wasn't quite as big

7:31

of a storyline because if Michael Pennix or

7:34

Bo Nix, or maybe Jajo McCarthy,

7:36

if he would have dropped further than

7:38

where he went, maybe people would

7:40

have made a bigger story about it.

7:41

But none of that really happened this year.

7:43

I mean, the one that I think was most

7:46

surprising to me was Spencer Ratler, who I

7:48

didn't think he was going to be a first round pick. I

7:50

thought he maybe could be a second, third round pick.

7:53

The fact that he dropped to where he did was what

7:55

was really surprising. To be taken in the fifth

7:57

round, that was that

7:59

was somewhat shocking. Give it his talent level

8:01

and what he put on tape, I did not think

8:04

he'd go that late in the draft. So it

8:07

lends you a little bit of an understanding

8:09

of this is a

8:11

big deal. It's a big event, and no one

8:13

wants to be that guy. Some of the guys

8:15

are concerned or scared of being

8:17

put in a position where they may be criticized,

8:19

maybe on camera a lot, and that's

8:21

their own progative, right, it's their own opportunity

8:24

to do it. At the end of the day, you're

8:26

just blessed to be able to have a chance to get draft in the NFL

8:29

and go play a game for your first true

8:32

professional job, right, Not like the bogie

8:34

in or Hollister or

8:37

Embassy suites back in the day some of my former

8:39

employers before I before I actually got.

8:41

In the NFL.

8:42

Yeah, man, you working at a Hollister, It's just a

8:44

wonderful tale like that. That really is

8:46

something. Did you get any free like clothes

8:48

or outfits or anything like that? They give you a.

8:50

Discount, You get a discount.

8:51

But that's the thing is you quickly realize after

8:53

the first time when you buy, because you have to

8:55

wear their clothes and you work there, they give

8:58

you this really big discount. I

9:00

realized, like my entire paycheck just went to what I'm

9:02

wearing at work. Like it's just because

9:04

you turned right back around and buy that stuff. Yeah,

9:06

yeah, that was a terrible idea.

9:08

On the Spencer Rattler stuff. How about the

9:11

crap that came out and Ian

9:13

Rappaport couldn't even I think, understand

9:15

it himself. That the reason the thought

9:18

was that he dropped as far as he was because we were

9:20

talking on Friday and the Raiders were picking at forty

9:22

four in the second round, and we were thinking, okay,

9:24

that could be a landing spot. I think it was one of our over

9:26

unders as well too, as to where he went so

9:29

to drop all the way down. Ian

9:31

Rappaport said that he talked to a

9:33

number of NFL teams and

9:35

they said the way that he was depicted

9:37

and the way that he came across on the

9:39

QB one show from Netflix

9:43

was part of the reason why teams wanted

9:45

to potentially steer clear of him.

9:47

That came out when he was seventeen.

9:50

It was six years ago, and teams

9:52

didn't like the way he was portrayed in QB

9:55

one, and that's part of the reason why he dropped.

9:57

What are we doing here?

10:00

It's obviously odd that a team,

10:02

you know, you'd think that they do their due diligence

10:04

to look at the player, look at who he is

10:06

now. I do

10:08

wonder if that was a convenient excuse,

10:10

and maybe some of the teams that did do some of the work

10:12

on him felt like there was still some of

10:14

that Oklahoma felt like there was still some of that of South

10:17

Carolina.

10:18

It's hard to ultimately know. Obviously

10:20

that's you know, their own.

10:21

Team's prerogative, but that's

10:24

a learning lesson I think for a lot of young men

10:26

out there is everything

10:28

you do is being monitored. They

10:30

look at the tweets. I think they said from these kids

10:33

up through junior high and

10:35

as much as we would scrutinized teams for that

10:38

being something that made them hesitant

10:40

of, you know, drafting Spencer Rattler.

10:43

The second they draft Spencer Rattler and that.

10:45

Clip comes out, the team, the

10:47

coach, the general manager, they're all they

10:49

have to talk about it like that stuff's

10:52

out there publicly. So that's what

10:54

you're drafting when you draft him. Is even

10:56

though we say it's six years ago when he was seventeen,

10:59

he's growing up. He's matured a lot since then. They're

11:01

still gonna have to answer for it. As

11:03

much as like we want to we want to fault the

11:06

NFL evaluators, uh,

11:08

you know, and the and the fun office execs and

11:10

people who who might have said this is

11:13

it's we're also part of the reason for that. Like

11:16

we're just as much to blame for how we are as a society

11:18

because we bring that stuff back up.

11:21

We we there's a never ending search of it.

11:23

So again I hated it for

11:25

him because again I thought he was a really talented

11:28

player and I still think he's in a great

11:30

spot if he gets his opportunity in New Orleans

11:32

to see.

11:33

What that might look like.

11:34

But these teams

11:37

will comb through every little piece

11:39

of information they can to

11:41

try to reduce their risk of bringing

11:43

a guy that was portrayed and

11:46

not a great light.

11:47

And you know that was his

11:49

choice.

11:50

He was on that show, and again, I know he's grown

11:52

up a lot since then, but maybe they

11:54

felt like there was some of that time

11:56

of Oklahoma with some of that South Caroline.

11:58

We don't know what they found out out.

12:00

We can only speculate at this point, but it's

12:03

it's tough for these young men to live in an era where

12:06

everything you do is now scrutinized for the

12:08

time you're sixteen seventeen moving on.

12:10

And that part of the reason why you shouldn't do a reality

12:12

show like.

12:14

That's one of the biggest that's what the quarterbacks

12:16

want to sign up for. The Yeah, in the Netflix

12:18

series.

12:19

I want you want to do it, and I would want no part

12:21

of that. Like, listen, you're celebrity, all

12:23

right, Brady Quinn's a celebrity, all right?

12:26

Your wife consider myself that your.

12:28

Wife is an Olympian, the Great Alicia

12:30

Sacramony. Like I mean you guys,

12:33

you guys are tailor made to be a reality

12:35

show. But no, not

12:37

interested. Rather keep some of this stuff

12:39

private and not have a camera follow you around.

12:41

And by the way, a lot of these reality shows

12:44

and the people behind the reality shows,

12:46

doesn't it always end up turning into disaster,

12:49

Like somebody's always got that something on you.

12:51

Like I don't know what the divorce rate or the breakup

12:53

rate is on some of these reality

12:56

show couples and marriages that go on

12:58

television and have cameras fall them around,

13:01

but it is a disaster. And Spencer

13:03

Rattler just had to wait an extra

13:05

day and a half because the

13:08

way he was depicted when he was a teenager

13:10

on a Netflix show kind of wild

13:12

man, like the background checks that they've

13:14

done, but away we go. What would

13:16

it cost? Like how much if somebody offered you a

13:19

certain amount? What would be your number to do reality

13:21

show?

13:21

I don't know if there's a price, I mean honestly, like,

13:23

it's just you

13:26

wouldn't want you'd have that full control of editing,

13:28

like all those things that you know no

13:30

one would ever give up. You know, most

13:32

of these people who do these reality

13:35

TV shows, they want the final say so they

13:37

can create the storylines, they can create the drama.

13:40

And that's why it would just never work.

13:42

I do sometimes feel like it would

13:44

be beneficial to

13:46

pay for a camera crew to follow my family

13:48

only so we could be like, whoa pause, all

13:51

right, let's go back and watch this on replay,

13:53

okay, and then you actually like talk through

13:55

a scenario or like an argument or fight, and you're

13:57

like, you know, you said I said this. You're

14:00

like, no, no, pause, all right, let's go to the camera

14:02

crew and we go back. Yeah,

14:05

we break it back down. You're like, all right, see

14:08

you said this. Now I'm gonna fast

14:10

forward a little bit here. Okay, stop, this

14:12

is where you made this face. And

14:14

this is where I was then like, oh

14:17

that's what okay that because it means

14:19

something different when you say it, and you say it with that face,

14:21

with that attitude, right, And that's what really

14:23

triggered me to then start arguing with you.

14:26

It's I don't know that would be I.

14:27

Think the most useful part of

14:30

having a camera following you around is

14:32

you could literally be able to kind of pick

14:35

apart your life like that.

14:36

Eye in the sky and draw

14:38

it out on the screen like shallow arrows

14:41

and circles. And this is where it happened.

14:43

Literally, have the whole team and the family room have

14:45

like a chalkboard up there and be like, all right, here's

14:47

where we need to get better.

14:48

Let's go back to the tape now, delights.

14:51

That is a good move.

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15:36

So we've been kind of speculating, not

15:39

if, but when the NFL was

15:42

going to get to an eighteen

15:44

game season. We're sitting at seventeen

15:46

now and it was only a matter of time.

15:49

Roger Goodell was on the Pat McAfee

15:51

show starring Ajhawk on Friday,

15:53

which, by the way, the Kentucky Derby's

15:56

coming up this weekend. To damn

15:58

shame, we can't have our Kentucky Derby. The insider

16:00

Ajhawk join us on the show

16:03

to kind of break down the Kentucky Derby.

16:04

I'm not necessarily sure that we can't.

16:08

I can try reaching out and sing if it's possible.

16:11

I mean, we got to make that happen.

16:13

The problem is, I don't know what he's gonna call The Derby's

16:16

on Saturday. Our show stops Friday.

16:19

Yeah, so you want like a Monday recap.

16:22

Plus I'm not even on.

16:22

Friday this week.

16:26

Yeah, how would we work this thing? I

16:29

mean yeah, because he's not great

16:31

at really giving predictions.

16:33

It's more a recap of the

16:35

event and the drinking and partying that goes

16:38

on at the event, and also how much they're gambling.

16:41

Monday. Yeah, I

16:43

mean Monday could work. I'm not trying

16:45

to. We don't want to get him in trouble though. If it's going

16:47

to be a problem, you know, we don't want to. We don't want

16:49

to cause those problems. But you know, he

16:51

was ours first. I mean, before he was

16:53

on the Pat McAfee show. He was doing you

16:55

know, horse racing and Kentucky

16:57

Derby recaps. So we'll

16:59

get to see we're going to effort that and

17:01

see.

17:02

What technically I think that started, like

17:04

while they were patting him are working together, so

17:07

it was still part of the Pat McAfee show, just not as we

17:09

know it today.

17:11

Huh. I didn't know they'd worked together that long.

17:13

Well yeah, yeah, they actually worked together

17:15

back when I believe it was a barstool

17:18

show.

17:19

Okay, yeah, so then yeah,

17:21

that seems to make sense. All right, Well

17:23

whatever, listen, he was ours on

17:26

Fox Sports Radio first, Brady Quinn

17:28

and I when we did the Sunday night show, So we'll see if

17:30

we can line that up. But point is,

17:33

Roger Goodell was talking with Pat

17:35

with AJ and the guys at the draft

17:37

on Friday in Detroit and

17:40

had some things to say about the potential

17:42

of the regular season expanding

17:44

and also the potential of the

17:46

Super Bowl being on President's

17:48

Day weekend.

17:49

Well, I think we're good at seventeen now,

17:51

but listen, we're looking at how we continue.

17:53

I'm not a fan of the preseason.

17:55

I'd rather replace a preseason game of the regular

17:57

season any day. That's just picking

17:59

quot right, So if

18:02

we get if we got to eighteen and two, that's

18:04

not an unreasonable thing. The other thing it does,

18:06

which I thought you were going to is that

18:08

ends up on President's Day

18:10

weekend, which is a three day weekend,

18:12

which makes a Sunday night and then you have Monday

18:15

off.

18:15

I love how he's got to work that in with the

18:17

live crowd behind him. You know, he's got to let

18:20

it like, got to let everybody know like, hey, I'm on your side,

18:22

guys, this is out works.

18:23

It's like, get many cheers.

18:26

The other thing, too, that I thought was kind of

18:28

funny is that you'll get the you know, we

18:30

care about player safety, care about player safety.

18:32

We're going to add a regular season game, but don't worry,

18:34

we're going to take one off the preseason. It's like, well,

18:37

like, how how many snaps do starters

18:39

actually get in preseason games?

18:41

Now?

18:42

Like some of these guys don't play at all, So you're

18:44

still going to run into that. And I

18:46

just wonder, you know, how

18:48

much pushback there's going to be from the PA, or

18:51

if they've got enough, you know, if they're actually

18:53

going to stand their ground this time and let

18:55

it pass. I think last time it passed

18:57

it was like fifty one percent. It was a narrow mark

19:00

to get to seventeen games, and players are

19:02

upset about it. I wonder what this means for eighteen

19:04

for those guys.

19:05

Well, the problem is, again, they allowed

19:07

this footing to take place

19:09

in the CBA, and typically

19:12

when the owners won something which an

19:15

additional regular season game equates

19:17

to more revenue for the league, and the

19:19

owners will say back, or Roger Cadell will say

19:21

back, well, hey, that's you know, that's revenue that we're splitting

19:24

with you guys, the players, so it's good for everyone.

19:27

The problem is the players. Obviously it's

19:29

an additional game, additional chance

19:31

of getting injured, and

19:33

now you might be able to say, well, that's also a different additional

19:36

chance to earn incentives and things of that

19:38

nature. I'm sure those are going to shift

19:40

though, where they're going to make it more difficult

19:43

for them to earn you know, certain incentives,

19:45

right, certain numbers, And that's one of

19:47

the reasons why you always see playtime

19:50

like you see percentages. Right, So if it's a sixteen

19:53

game season, seventeen game season, eighteen game season,

19:56

you've got to play what fifty one percent of

19:58

the snaps or you know, seventy percent in

20:00

the snaps in order to earn that incentive.

20:02

And that's one of the.

20:03

Reasons why they put in the contract that way, because they don't

20:05

want to have it set to, oh, we you need to play x

20:07

amount of games x amount of plays, right,

20:09

since that can fluctuate. So it's

20:11

more of the frustration I think from players

20:14

that they have to put themselves out

20:16

there for an additional game and

20:18

the owners really receive the

20:21

majority of the benefit of that, and there's

20:23

no way that players can recoup

20:25

anything other than saying we don't like

20:27

this we're not going to play. We're going to strike until

20:29

you guys figure out something else that

20:31

we want, and you got to give us since you

20:34

want these eighteen games. Because the other

20:36

thing for players, and one of the reasons why the NFLPA

20:39

tries to protect the at least

20:41

two preseason games in this case is it's

20:44

to showcase guys who haven't played to.

20:45

Make the roster.

20:46

You know, there's a lot of opportunities for guys

20:49

who get drafted or get signed this free agents

20:52

and come in or trying to make the roster, and

20:54

those preseason games are invaluable

20:56

for experience but also for making the roster, and

21:00

guys don't have those or they cut down those opportunities.

21:02

You only got two instead of maybe three games. It

21:04

can be somewhat difficult when you're trying

21:07

to figure out, you know, which guys can make that back

21:09

end of it. You know, it's not as uh,

21:12

you know, presumed to the rosters. Everyone

21:14

thinks like, oh, well, these are the guys you're gonna take just because the

21:16

contracts.

21:16

It's not always the case.

21:17

You've got some guys who really show up the preseason once

21:20

the lights turn on, and that makes the difference

21:22

of them making the roster, So I

21:24

think there needs to be at least too that's probably

21:26

the minimum. But are the players that gonna

21:28

get another buy? I think any additional time off

21:31

to rest their bodies. Are they just going

21:33

to plow through the rest of the eighteen game season with

21:35

only one buy and maybe you get, you know,

21:37

an additional time off after a short week on

21:39

a Thursday night.

21:40

And look, I know the preseason,

21:42

like people will look at it and go, well, you know the

21:45

games aren't you know, they don't matter. It's exhibition.

21:48

You know, fans don't even care. It's well not

21:50

everything has to be about whether or not fans

21:52

care, like you know, like fans you know probably

21:55

aren't watching, you know, all of OTAs

21:57

or aren't and attendance for a lot of these things offseason.

22:00

It doesn't mean there's not important and there's no value

22:02

at them. And I just I look at it and I go, I

22:04

hope we never get to a point to where somebody's pounding

22:07

the table to get rid of them altogether and

22:09

just say no, no, just get past and go straight

22:11

to the season. They can do it in college football.

22:14

Why can't you do it in the NFL. There's there's

22:16

something to it, and I know a lot of

22:18

people aren't fans of it or maybe don't

22:20

like it. I like the preseason. I like watching

22:23

you know, certain guys that you maybe followed

22:25

in college that are going to get a couple of snaps

22:28

or a couple of reps here or there. And also

22:30

if you're one of these guys and you do get in a preseason

22:33

game, if you never made an

22:35

NFL roster and played in a regular

22:37

season game, to me, that still matters.

22:40

Like to be able to be out there in an NFL stadium

22:43

and to be able to compete like you're still

22:45

in rarefied air. I hope like the

22:47

entire value of the preseason doesn't get

22:49

lost with people going to the Yeah, but

22:51

fans don't care about it. It's exhibition football.

22:54

You know, they're not even painting the stadiums half the

22:56

time, the stadiums aren't full. Not everything's

22:58

got to be about the show and about the

23:00

fans. They get enough, like

23:03

they're getting eighteen regular season

23:05

games, they've got the playoffs, they've got the

23:07

draft, they've got all that stuff. Not everything has to be

23:09

marketed to just the fans. And I feel

23:11

like sometimes people try and make that argument to.

23:14

Your point too, about even

23:16

just the opportunities to be there in the

23:18

preseason for players and that might

23:21

be their only mark or there might be the only reps

23:23

they get in their career. But

23:25

more so just talking about quarterbacks,

23:28

oftentimes that back up, the only live reps he's getting

23:31

are those two preseason games, And so

23:33

how much are you really preparing that backup

23:35

to go in and try to win some games for your

23:37

team if you keep cutting

23:39

down on some of those live reps. You

23:41

know, I'm not saying it makes a world

23:43

of difference, but it makes a difference. Given

23:46

those guys some live game experience before they actually

23:49

go into the to the regular season, there's different

23:51

speeds, and going from training camp

23:53

and practice or even enjoint practices, it's

23:55

not the same speed as what you're gonna see then once you go

23:58

into a preseason game and once you go to and

24:00

gave it ramps up little bit in the regular season. So to

24:02

not make it such a big jump, especially for young

24:04

quarterbacks in a league that you know obviously

24:07

feeds off young quarterbacks from college football

24:09

all the time, whether as starters or as backups,

24:12

it would be who of the NFL to

24:14

remember this, there's still development going on.

24:17

I know it's all about money, that's all all people

24:19

care about anymore as money, money, money,

24:21

But when you have a crappy product, right because

24:24

the most important position, you don't

24:26

put in the things necessary to help them

24:28

develop or help them get live reps, it's

24:30

gonna end up being unwatchable at times.

24:32

And the offense is scoring has been down

24:35

quarterback play. A lot of people would challenge, I

24:37

mean Tom Brady said this, you know recently,

24:40

like they just not taught how to play the game

24:42

of football, like if it needs to be played at the next

24:44

level. A lot of these young men aren't be taught

24:46

in fronts. They're not being taught, you know, how to

24:48

read coverage and hey, what concepts

24:50

works against different coverages?

24:52

How do you beat stacks? How do you beat bunches?

24:53

Like these are not concepts that

24:56

you're hearing college teams talk about. That's

24:58

not the type of system and style they're running there. So

25:02

if you want to protect your product, you want to protect

25:04

the game, you're going to have to remember there

25:06

needs to be time to teach these young men who

25:08

are coming to the NFL how to play the NFL

25:10

game, which is different than college.

25:12

And also when people complain about the quality

25:14

of play, and you mentioned the offense is being down, but

25:16

that like we always have these discussions early

25:18

on in the season. Man, tackling was bad,

25:20

this was bad. That was bad. Well, yeah, that's

25:23

that's a result of guys aren't out

25:25

there like they're not they're not getting any action,

25:27

they're not in these games like they're practicing. But

25:29

it's not the same. So at least

25:31

you know, we're still going to maintain the two games.

25:33

If we get to the eighteen game regular season, now

25:36

the super Bowl on President's Day weekend,

25:39

that is a no brainer, right, that has to

25:41

happen. I would also say, you

25:43

know, if you're one of these fans who still

25:46

shows up to work on Monday because you didn't

25:48

plan in advance, you know, some sort of

25:50

vasectomy or a kinsinetta

25:54

or you know, surprise birthday, maybe

25:57

a death in the family, that you can kind of,

25:59

you know, look into the future and say, all right, now, I'm

26:01

going to pencil that in. That'll be my go to whatever

26:04

it is. If you're not already getting the Monday

26:06

after the super Bowl off, you got

26:08

problems, but at least the NFL is going to save the

26:10

day and potentially throw the super Bowl on President's

26:13

Day weekend. Not that it matters to us.

26:15

We're still going to be doing the show, and we still got to be here

26:17

at work because we're grinding away doing sports stock

26:19

radio. But for fans, at least this

26:21

is going to give them their day off, or you

26:24

just move the super Bowl to Saturday and we don't have

26:26

to worry about any of this stuff.

26:27

I know you have pushed for that.

26:29

I think there's something there.

26:31

There is something there. I won't argue against

26:33

it because it would be nice to have that next day

26:35

hangover. I'm sure Lee and some others out there would

26:38

join in in that thought. But I

26:40

look at it and I think they're

26:43

just trying to eat up the entire calendar. That's

26:46

the reality of it. They're trying to make every single

26:48

week kind of blend into the next. Where if

26:51

you keep pushing it back further in the February,

26:53

think about what's in the on the other

26:55

side of that, the start of the new league year in free

26:58

agency, so you really don't

27:00

have any.

27:00

Sort of letout.

27:01

It just it rolls right from the super Bowl,

27:04

the biggest event. You catch your breath,

27:06

but you already start getting the conversations

27:08

about roster building and free agents.

27:10

And the next year the combines, the

27:12

combines last week of February, right, that's.

27:14

When yeah, excuse me, so, which is where

27:16

a lot of those rumors and things come from. So but

27:19

to your point, to that point, you literally turn

27:21

it over, like then we start focusing on college.

27:23

Then we start focusing focus on a.

27:25

Week and a half and they're showing up to Indianapolis

27:27

for the Combine's

27:31

That's.

27:31

That's another reason though, why I think you're gonna see teams

27:33

that play in the Super Bowl not even attend the combine,

27:36

you.

27:36

Know, not if they don't have to.

27:37

So well, yeah, listen, we're

27:39

going to get the all the speculation

27:42

and the potential of this stuff happening. I do wonder

27:44

how soon until it happens

27:47

before the NFL pulls the trigger, because

27:49

as you said at the start, it was only a matter

27:51

of if there are when not if

27:53

that this was going to happen, they were going to expand the season.

27:56

I just wonder how how far away

27:59

we're looking at that.

28:00

And here's the dirty truth about

28:02

how they get to eighteen games, it's

28:05

going to increase the revenue because

28:07

it's going to increase the money coming

28:09

from TV.

28:10

At least we would assume so.

28:12

And what that does is it increases the

28:15

salary cap and it increases his salary

28:17

cap for more salary cap space.

28:18

Four.

28:19

The top one or two percent, and the top

28:22

one or two percent are the guys who oftentimes

28:24

are lobbying their team. They're representing the

28:26

team amongst the union because

28:28

they want to get these deals through. You

28:30

know, the usually the top paid guys end up

28:33

being represented representatives of teams

28:36

for the NFL Players Union because they're untouchable.

28:38

Right.

28:39

There's always this thought that if you were a union rep

28:41

and you're the guy out there a practice monitoring things,

28:44

making sure that you know this, the

28:46

coaching staff for this particular

28:49

organization's not pulling one over or

28:51

doing something illegal within the CBA,

28:53

and you got to call them on that. But you're a guy who doesn't

28:55

have many guarantees in this contract. You're concerned

28:57

that you could be a casually to due to

29:00

it. So it's

29:02

usually the top one or two percent that will push

29:04

for it too, because they're also incentivized

29:07

because the next time their contracts up, they're

29:09

gonna be the guy cashing.

29:10

In on it.

29:11

Good good for them. See, that's why

29:13

you got to aim to be a top one or two percent,

29:16

right, don't don't settle for the middle of the pack crap.

29:18

Be a one or two percent guy. All right, that's the

29:20

moral story here.

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29:32

So Newt

29:35

Rockety died

29:37

in nineteen thirty one,

29:40

and over the weekend they've

29:44

decided to move his grave

29:47

exum the body or exzoom the casket

29:49

I'm assuming not not the actual

29:52

body, but take the casket, everything

29:54

inside the casket, and they're going to rebury

29:56

it at the University of Notre Dame. That's

30:00

the that's what's going on there.

30:02

Yeah, I mean, I saw the same thing you saw.

30:04

So it's I'm just like, I just wonder why

30:07

now, Like I don't know.

30:09

I mean, it's you know, but hey, listen,

30:11

I mean that's that's where it should be. Then that's where it

30:13

should be. You know. It's a family decision.

30:16

But yeah, I was not expecting to see

30:18

that as one of us.

30:20

I wasn't either this morning. It almost

30:22

makes me wonder, And I don't know that this is a thing

30:24

or not. Maybe everyone else can pitch it and help

30:26

answer this question. The people still

30:29

do April Fool's joke at the.

30:30

End of the month.

30:31

I don't know.

30:31

There was only like an.

30:32

April one, April two or three type thing.

30:34

Yeah, I don't think. I don't think bad

30:37

jokes get an entire month. I think they just get

30:39

one day and then after that

30:41

it's over. Okay, Lee, you got any uh,

30:44

just the first Yeah, it is just it's

30:46

just the first.

30:47

So you tell a April Fool's joke in the second

30:49

or third, you gonna be chastised for it.

30:51

Absolutely.

30:52

Then you're just a bad comedian. Yeah.

30:55

So all right, so there, I

30:57

mean, look is

30:59

what it it is man? Uh, you know, go

31:02

Irish and New Rockney is now

31:04

going to be at the university and

31:06

they'll get that done and you know, away

31:09

we go with that. By the way, I did promise you a

31:11

little bit of intel on Lee, I was

31:13

doing so he told me the I don't want

31:15

to name the place because you know, I don't want to air him

31:17

out too bad, but he told me one of the places

31:20

that he frequents when

31:22

he's going to get a couple of throat burners,

31:26

you know, whenever he decides to get out

31:28

and go have a little bit of fun. And so he

31:31

I went and looked up the place because I've never

31:33

been at this place. I've never seen

31:35

it. I don't know anything about it. And

31:38

man, what a dump. My god, Oh,

31:41

how the hell are you? First of all, have

31:44

you been to this place during the daytime

31:46

every Wednesday?

31:47

God, that's depressed Wednesday deliveries. Yeah,

31:49

it's super dark in there. Keep

31:52

the door shut. I mean I could

31:54

smell the place through the computer looking

31:57

up pictures. Yeah,

31:59

it's like it looks like one of those dingy

32:02

like you ever get depressed when like

32:05

if you're in Las Vegas, like you open up

32:07

the curtains and you see the strip during the daytime

32:10

and it's like all the lights

32:12

are gone and it's just a

32:14

desert with a bunch

32:16

of buildings and it's filled with

32:19

sin and drugs

32:21

and gambling and hookers

32:25

and you know all the other good stuff that

32:27

Vegas provided. I'm just saying, but like you

32:29

open up the curtains and you look at all that during

32:31

the daytime and you go, God, I'm depressed.

32:34

I looked at this place. There were some daytime

32:36

shots of the place. Leaf frequents during

32:39

the day. What a miserable

32:41

spot to be lee. Well, it definitely is

32:43

not open during the day, thank goodness, does

32:46

not see the light of day.

32:48

Yeah.

32:48

It's one of those thin, you know, narrow

32:50

bars, which always is more depressing

32:52

than I feel. And you don't

32:54

know because you got to get close to the bar. You don't

32:56

want to tote back

32:59

and forth.

33:00

I mean, but you're still going.

33:02

You know, I hated the bar

33:05

for a long time, even when Todd worked

33:08

there, but it grew on me. I became a regular.

33:10

I know all the regulars obviously.

33:12

Yeah, and it's a

33:14

it's a little home away from home.

33:16

Yeah.

33:16

So there's a little uh yeah,

33:19

a little digging into where leaf frequents

33:22

as we live vicariously through the here at

33:24

Fox Sports Radio.

33:25

All right.

33:26

So that being said, we transitioned

33:28

smoothly over to the NFL Draft, and

33:31

somebody had a little bit of a red ass over the

33:33

weekend. And that's somebody was Colts

33:36

general manager Chris Ballard, who

33:38

was defending the selection

33:41

of Texas wide receiver a Donnie

33:43

Mitchell, who fell to the second

33:45

round. The Colts snabbed him, and

33:48

then Chris Ballard was asked about,

33:50

you know some of the reports that maybe

33:53

Donnie Mitchell was difficult to assess in

33:55

the interview process and maybe did an interview

33:57

well with certain teams. And here

34:00

is the Colt GM response.

34:01

I mean I read some of the that

34:04

was set on tea.

34:04

I mean, just a typical e

34:07

choose my language, our typical

34:09

league, unnamed sources.

34:12

You know, bad interview.

34:13

That's such. I mean, it

34:15

is.

34:16

It's like put your

34:18

name, like, put your name on it. We

34:21

tear these young men down. These are twenty one,

34:23

twenty two young men. And if

34:25

you can, if people out there can tell me they're

34:27

perfect in.

34:28

Their lives, it's crap.

34:30

It's crap.

34:30

This is a good kid, and you

34:33

know, for those reports to come out, like you

34:35

know, I said it last year.

34:37

It's it's bud.

34:38

I'm sorry.

34:39

I apologize for the language. I don't but

34:41

I do.

34:43

I don't know, but I do.

34:44

Finally, he's got a little Chip Games to him, Chip

34:47

Games with his hair grown out. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

34:49

I can see that going on.

34:51

I do tend to relate

34:54

to the frustration of in this process

34:57

the person who ultimately takes the

34:59

bigg beating as the player.

35:02

And it's odd, man, it really is.

35:03

When you transition from the college

35:06

season to the NFL season, it

35:08

becomes so negative. It's so

35:11

negative the entire process. It's

35:13

all about what these players can do anymore, what

35:15

their flaws are, what the weaknesses are. And

35:18

some people might say, that's that's fun. It's a

35:20

profession now, you know, that's what you're doing. You're trying

35:22

to project these guys. You got to know the good and bad.

35:25

I understand that. But what

35:27

a lot of people on the outside don't understand

35:30

is that what makes it to the actual

35:32

media comes from agents, competing

35:34

agents with other players, trying to

35:37

prop up, boost up their player versus another.

35:40

That's where all this information goes and gets

35:42

out from. You talk to coaches,

35:44

you talk to players, people. You know, they're not telling you anything

35:46

they're doing. They're just not they're

35:49

not not until maybe if you're an

35:51

insider, you're you know, talking night

35:54

before the draft, you know, a couple of days before the draft, something

35:56

like that. But all this negative

35:58

stuff you hear, it

36:01

usually comes from agents. It

36:03

usually comes from people who I heard this or

36:05

I'm hearing this like, there's

36:08

not a ton of validity to it. I

36:10

mean in regards to Adie Mitchell and what

36:13

was supposedly said. You know, I don't know if it was character

36:15

concerns or however they described it, but

36:19

he's diabetic. Maybe there's some issues

36:21

with managing that sometimes, but you

36:23

know, it's just it always gets overblown

36:26

and sensationalized, and usually

36:28

because someone has a prerogative,

36:31

they're trying to prop.

36:32

Up their receiver versus this receiver.

36:36

So it's look for the Colts,

36:38

it's awesome pick because now they get Adie

36:40

Mitchell, they got Michael Pittman, and

36:42

that's a hell of a one to two punch for

36:44

Anthony Richardson, who obviously didn't play

36:47

much his rookie year, but he gets that now in year

36:49

two and Shane Stikeen's offense, that's huge

36:52

and it gives an opportunity for Adie Mitchell to not

36:54

necessarily have to go in right away

36:56

to be the guy where he wasn't

36:58

really that At Texas, you know, Xavier Worth,

37:00

they had more targets, more production, Adie

37:03

Mitchell had more touchdowns, a little bit, bigger

37:05

body, easier to hide point him and

37:07

isolate him in the red zone. But he doesn't

37:10

have to go into Indianapolis and be that

37:12

guy. He gets to develop into that. You know,

37:14

if you're a keyon Coleman. On the other hand, who

37:16

in Buffalo is going to go in and

37:18

be the guy that's a

37:21

much heavier burden to carry

37:23

it away. You know, he's he's going to have

37:25

to be able to, you know, beat the best cornerback,

37:27

beat double coverage in the NFL and his rookie season

37:30

if even warrants that. So

37:34

I hate that part of the process. That's

37:36

the truth behind how all this stuff goes on.

37:38

But at least it'll be a good pick up

37:40

for the Colts, and I think Ady mitchellill fit in well

37:42

there.

37:42

It's also the idea that because

37:45

I was trying to find look, was there an

37:47

off field issue? Did he you

37:49

know, was there like I can understand, like last

37:51

year, you know, Jalen Carter went through that.

37:53

But listen, I mean people lost their lives.

37:56

There was some stuff he was being questioned on, like

37:58

I could understand. We got

38:00

to find out more about the guy. But the more I

38:02

looked into this, it was like, well, you know, he didn't

38:04

interview well, like you know, the interview process

38:07

was rough, and it's like, all right,

38:09

well, let's just say that's what it is. I

38:12

mean, I don't know about you, but I've

38:14

had bad job interviews before. Like I

38:16

remember one specifically, I talked to a radio

38:18

station and completely bombed, Like

38:21

I don't know, it was just it was it was a bad interview.

38:23

I just I performed poorly that day. But

38:25

it's like there's

38:27

no grace period, there's no there's

38:29

no sort of all right, well listen, you know, give

38:32

it another shot. We can understand it. Instead,

38:34

it's just all right, that's our one time we got to

38:36

talk to him, and we're gonna let that be our lasting

38:38

impression. All right. So what about off the field stuff,

38:40

Well, there's none of that. It's just you know, he didn't interview

38:42

well, well, maybe he doesn't interview well or talk

38:45

well in front of people, like not everybody's got a

38:47

great personality and comes across great.

38:49

It just feels like, to your point, you're

38:51

trying to find something wrong so

38:53

that you can just eliminate guys as opposed

38:56

to focusing on all the great things they

38:58

do, and he could be a great player with all the skill

39:00

set and talent in the world. He could be a really good dude

39:03

with no priors or anything like that. But

39:06

what's wrong with him? Like, let's let's find something

39:08

wrong so we can eliminate it from the process

39:10

and just make it easier on ourselves, because,

39:13

yeah, you don't know if you like somebody, but you definitely

39:15

know if you don't like him, And that's what it feels like goes

39:17

on here and seeing Chris Ballard get

39:19

fired up about it. I will say this, if you're Chris

39:22

Ballad and you go that hard in the paint for a guy

39:24

you drafted, all right, you better

39:26

hope that you're right, you know, because some people are going to

39:28

going to remember that and say, all right, this is the guy

39:30

you defended and he's an a hole if that's what

39:32

it turns out to be. But hopefully

39:34

it works out well for him and he's, you know, in to get a

39:37

pretty good spot there in Indianapolis. But it's good

39:39

to see Chris Ballard with the Chip Gains

39:41

look defending his.

39:42

Guy, little red ass too to him.

39:43

You know, it's nice.

39:44

I do appreciate a good red ass.

39:45

By the way, I didn't really. He's a big dude. Yeah,

39:48

Like he like he looks like he could

39:50

throw it around a little bit, like gets

39:53

in the weight room and you know kind of lets it.

39:55

You know, what are we thinking like two

39:57

plates minimum just for warm up?

40:00

You know, probably going you know two twenty about

40:03

come on bench the only one that Matt.

40:05

Yeah, probably probably warming up a

40:07

little two twenty five and then going on from there.

40:09

Yeah.

40:09

So I mean the combines in Indy and

40:11

you know, Jim Mersey used to like to work out with

40:14

Ryan Grigson, so maybe that was like the prerequisite

40:16

if you wanted to be the GM of the Colts. You gotta

40:18

be throwing iron around. Yeah, move that

40:20

bar and ben And you just pretended that,

40:23

Yeah, you know, that's

40:25

that's my philosophy at that bar

40:28

and bend And you just pretended, you know, that's

40:30

how we do it in Dublin. And

40:32

if you if you think differently, you can kiss our ass.

40:35

I promise you this. It's it's a Monday

40:37

morning, April twenty ninth. The boys

40:39

there at Dublin Coffin High School, they're alreadyetting after

40:41

it. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, coach Stokes.

40:43

He's got them rolling, he's got them going.

40:45

Now what are they do?

40:47

They get any sort of protein drink

40:50

afterwards? Is it that high level like you're

40:52

in college.

40:53

Or the way just drink the water?

40:55

Water is just full of a ribbi and that.

40:57

Water there in Dublin, I'm not sure. I'm not sure we're

41:00

u where you're from. When it's like a thousand oaks,

41:02

you know.

41:03

I mean, the mean streets

41:05

probably makes you soft. What

41:09

are you talking about?

41:10

Like?

41:11

People, when people think Dublin coff and I they

41:13

go, what is Dublin?

41:15

Lee's water source seems to be Evan Williams

41:17

or some sort of Jack Daniels. Now,

41:21

hold on, Lee's like that guy

41:23

I heard the story about that his stomach just

41:25

naturally and takes uh takes

41:27

carbohydrates turns into alcohol.

41:30

Yeah. My water source is soda,

41:32

water for my ranch water, my tequila

41:35

and soda water orgin or gin and

41:37

soda.

41:38

If you had to pick one drink of choicely,

41:40

what would it be?

41:41

Gin and soda?

41:44

I mean, not not water,

41:48

not like like coffee, and

41:51

yeah, you have.

41:52

One drink to drink the rest of your life.

41:55

I don't know, G and T is pretty high up there?

42:01

Is that usually how you start off tonight?

42:02

Are you saying? And I have to choose between water

42:04

and alcohol?

42:05

By the way, G and T and

42:07

ajit and soda to me are very

42:09

different tasting.

42:11

They you can be yesterday and they are. It's

42:13

mostly well, you're

42:15

getting mostly the tonic. You're getting mostly the sweet

42:17

if you're doing a G and T. But that's why I like

42:19

the soda water because you can actually taste what you're drinking,

42:22

whether it's tequila, gin or whatever.

42:24

There you go.

42:25

Do you have a top

42:27

gin like Mount rushmore of gin like

42:30

Bombay?

42:32

I'm not a Bombay guy. It's a little too sweet for me.

42:34

Tanga Ray is up there. Beefeeders

42:37

is good, but it's not I wouldn't say it's high up there.

42:39

Hendricks, is you know a favorite one?

42:41

But not mine?

42:42

What's the part on Kingpin where Bill

42:44

Murray's sitting at the bar and she goes

42:47

neither tang Ray and tab Yeah, keep them coming,

42:49

sweets. I got a long drive ahead of me. That

42:53

movie is so good. There's so many good lines

42:55

of that movie.

42:56

I mean, mostly by Bill Murray.

42:59

Suppose they're all ad libbed that's

43:01

that's the word.

43:02

But oh Man, two

43:04

pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio,

43:07

so listen. That was a just a well

43:10

rounded segment. We started with New Rockney's

43:12

grave being moved and ended up with Lee's

43:14

drink of choice. So that's how

43:16

it's done here. If you want to just hand over

43:18

that Marconi Award now, we'll take

43:20

it and we'll link you later for it.