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Kind of strange, man, what's

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that? They're just

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moving New Rockney's grave to uh.

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Right, yeah,

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right, all right, Well, I

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Rockety died

1:37

in nineteen thirty one, and

1:41

over the weekend they've

1:43

decided to move his grave

1:47

exum the body or exzoom the casket

1:49

I'm assuming not the actual

1:51

body, but take the casket, everything

1:54

inside the casket, and they're going to rebury

1:56

it at the University of Notre Dame. That's

1:59

the That's what's going on there.

2:01

Yeah, I mean I saw the same thing you saw.

2:04

So I'm just like, I just wonder why

2:06

now, Like I don't know.

2:08

I mean, it's you know, but hey listen,

2:11

I mean that's that's where it should be. Then that's where it

2:13

should be.

2:14

You know.

2:14

It's a family decision. But

2:16

yeah, I was not expecting to see that

2:18

as one of us.

2:20

I wasn't either this morning. It almost

2:22

makes me wonder, and I don't know that this is a thing

2:24

or not. Maybe everyone else can pitch it and help

2:26

answer this question. Do people still

2:28

do April Fool's joke at the end of the month.

2:30

I don't know, there was only like an.

2:32

April one, April two or three type thing.

2:34

Yeah.

2:34

I don't think.

2:35

I don't think bad jokes get an entire month.

2:38

I think they just get one day and

2:40

then after that it's over. Okay,

2:42

Lee, you got any uh.

2:44

Just the first Yeah, it is just it's

2:46

just the first.

2:47

So you tell a April fool's joke in the second

2:49

or third, you gonna be chastised for it.

2:50

Absolutely.

2:51

Then you're just a bad comedian. Yeah.

2:55

So all right, So there, I

2:57

mean, look is

2:59

what it is, man.

3:00

Uh you know, go Irish and New

3:02

Rockney is now going to be uh at the university

3:05

and they'll get that done and you know,

3:08

away we go with that. By the way, I did promise

3:10

you a little bit of intel on Lee I

3:13

was doing. So he told me the I don't

3:15

want to name the place because you know, I don't want to

3:17

air him out too bad. But he told me one of the

3:19

places that he frequents when

3:22

he's going to get a couple of throat burners,

3:25

you know, whenever he decides to get out

3:27

and go have a little bit of fun. And so he

3:30

I went and looked up a place because I've never

3:32

been at this place. I've never seen

3:34

it. I don't know anything about it, and

3:37

man, what a dump, My god.

3:41

How the hell are you? First of all, have

3:43

you been to this place during the daytime?

3:46

Every Wednesday? God, that's depressed Wednesday

3:48

deliveries. Yeah, it's super dark

3:50

in there.

3:52

Shut I mean I could smell

3:54

the place through the computer looking

3:57

up pictures.

3:59

Yeah, it's sticky.

4:00

It looks like one of those dingy like

4:02

you ever get depressed when, like if

4:05

you're in Las Vegas, Like you open up the curtains

4:07

and you see the strip during the daytime

4:09

and it's like all the lights

4:12

are gone and it's just a

4:14

desert with a bunch

4:16

of buildings, and it's filled with

4:18

sin and drugs

4:21

and gambling and hookers

4:25

and you know, all the other good stuff that

4:27

Vegas provided. I'm just saying, but like, you

4:29

open up the curtains and you look at all that during

4:31

the daytime, and you go, God, I'm depressed.

4:33

I looked at this place. There were some daytime

4:36

shots of the place leaf frequents during

4:38

the day. What a miserable

4:41

spot to be lee.

4:42

Well, it definitely is not open during the day,

4:44

thank goodness does not see the light of

4:46

day.

4:47

Yeah.

4:47

It's one of those thin, you know, narrow

4:50

bars, which always is more depressing

4:52

than I feel. And you don't

4:54

know because you got to get close to the bar. You don't

4:56

want to back

4:58

and forth. God forbid, I mean, but

5:00

you're still going.

5:02

You know.

5:02

I hated the bar for

5:05

a long time, even when Todd worked

5:07

there, but it grew on me. I became a regular.

5:09

I know all the regulars obviously.

5:12

Yeah, and it's a little

5:15

home away from home.

5:15

Yeah.

5:16

So there's a little uh like, yeah,

5:18

a little digging into where leaf frequents

5:21

as we live vicariously through the year at

5:24

Fox Sports Radio.

5:25

All right.

5:25

So that being said, we transitioned

5:28

smoothly over to the NFL Draft, and

5:31

somebody had a little bit of a red ass over the

5:33

weekend. And that's somebody was Colts

5:35

general manager Chris Ballard, who

5:38

was defending the

5:40

selection of Texas wide receiver

5:42

a Donnie Mitchell, who fell to

5:45

the second round. The Colts snabbed him.

5:47

And then Chris Ballard was asked about,

5:50

you know, some of the reports that maybe

5:52

Donnie Mitchell was difficult to assess in

5:54

the interview process and maybe did an interview

5:57

well with certain teams, and here

5:59

was the Colt GM response.

6:01

I mean I read some of the that

6:03

was set on tea. I mean just a typical excuse

6:07

my language, our typical league,

6:10

unnamed sources, you

6:12

know, bad interview. That's such bord.

6:14

I mean it is.

6:16

It's like put your

6:18

name, like, put your name on it. We

6:20

tear these young men down. These are twenty one

6:22

twenty two young men. And if

6:24

you can, if.

6:25

People out there can tell me they're perfect in

6:27

their lives, it's crap. It's

6:29

crap. This is a good kid.

6:31

And you know, for those reports

6:33

to come out, thank you know much.

6:35

I said it last year. It's it's bud.

6:38

I'm sorry. I apologize for the language.

6:40

I don't but I do. I

6:43

don't know, but I do.

6:44

Finally, he's got a little Chip Games to him, Chip

6:47

Games with his hair grown out.

6:48

Yeah yeah, yeah, I can see that going on.

6:51

I do tend to relate

6:54

to the frustration of in this process,

6:56

the person who ultimately takes the

6:59

biggest beating as the player. And

7:02

it's odd, man, it really is. When you transition

7:04

from the college season to the NFL season,

7:08

it becomes so negative. It's

7:10

so negative. The entire process. It's

7:13

all about what these players can do anymore, what

7:15

their flaws are, what the weaknesses are. And

7:17

some people might say that's that's fun. It's a

7:19

profession now, you know, that's what you're doing. You're trying

7:22

to project these guys. You got to know the good and bad.

7:24

I understand that. But what

7:27

a lot of people on the outside don't understand

7:29

is that what makes it to the actual

7:31

media comes from agents, competing

7:34

agents with other players, trying to

7:37

prop up, boost up their player versus another.

7:40

That's where all this information goes and gets

7:42

out from. You talk to coaches,

7:44

you talk to players. People. You know, they're not telling you anything

7:46

they're doing. They're just not They're

7:49

not not until maybe if you're an

7:51

insider, you're you know, talking night

7:53

before the draft, you know, a couple of days before the draft, something

7:56

like that. But all this negative

7:58

stuff you hear, it

8:01

usually comes from agents. It

8:03

usually comes from people who I heard this or

8:05

I'm hearing this like, there's

8:07

not a ton of validity to it. I

8:10

mean, in regards to Adie Mitchell and what

8:12

was supposedly said, you know, I don't know if it was character

8:15

concerns or however they described it. But

8:18

he's diabetic. Maybe there's some issues

8:21

with managing that sometimes, but you

8:23

know, it's just it always gets overblown

8:25

and sensationalized, and usually

8:28

because someone has a prerogative,

8:30

they're trying to prop up their

8:32

receiver versus this receiver. So

8:36

it's look for the Colts, it's awesome pick

8:39

because now they get Adie Mitchell, they got Michael Pittman,

8:42

and that's a hell of a one to two punch for

8:44

Anthony Richardson, who obviously didn't play

8:46

much his rookie year, but he gets that now in year

8:48

two and Shane Stikeen's offense, that's huge

8:52

and it gives an opportunity for Adie Mitchell to not

8:54

necessarily have to go in right away

8:56

to be the guy where he wasn't

8:58

really that at Texas. You know, Worth

9:00

they had more targets, more production. Adie

9:03

Mitchell had more touchdowns, a little bit er, bigger

9:05

body, easier to hide point him and

9:07

isolate him in the red zone. But he doesn't

9:09

have to go into Indianapolis and be that

9:11

guy. He gets to develop into that. You know,

9:13

if you're a keyon Coleman, on the other hand, who

9:16

in Buffalo is going to go in and

9:18

be the guy that's a

9:20

much heavier burden to carry

9:23

it away. You know, he's he's going to have

9:25

to be able to you know, beat the best cornerback,

9:27

beat double coverage in the NFL and his rookie season

9:30

if even warrants that. So

9:33

I hate that part of the process. That's

9:35

the truth behind how all this stuff goes on.

9:38

But at least it'll be a good pick up

9:40

for the Colts, and I think Adian mitchellill fit in well.

9:42

There.

9:42

It's also the idea that because

9:44

I was trying to find look, was there an

9:46

off field issue?

9:48

Did he? You know, was there like I.

9:49

Can understand, like last year, you know, Jalen

9:52

Carter went through that, but listen, I mean people

9:54

lost their lives. There was some stuff he was

9:56

being questioned on. Like I could understand,

9:59

we got find out more about the guy. But the

10:01

more I looked into this, it was like, well, you know, he

10:03

didn't interview well, like you know, the interview

10:06

process was rough, and it's like, all

10:08

right, well let's just say that's what it is.

10:11

I mean, I don't know about you, but I've

10:14

had bad job.

10:14

Interviews before, Like I can remember one specifically,

10:17

I talked to a radio station and completely

10:19

bombed, Like I don't know, it was just it was

10:21

it was a bad interview. I just I performed

10:24

poorly that day. But it's like there's

10:27

no grace period, there's no there's

10:29

no sort of all right, well listen, you know, give

10:31

it another shot. We can understand it. Instead,

10:33

it's just all right, that's our one time we got to

10:35

talk to him, and we're gonna let that be our lasting

10:38

impression. All right, So what about off the field stuff,

10:40

Well, there's none of that. It's just you know, he didn't interview

10:42

well, well maybe he doesn't interview well or talk

10:44

well in front of people, Like not everybody's got a

10:46

great personality and comes across great.

10:49

It just feels like, to your point, you're

10:51

trying to find something wrong so

10:53

that you can just eliminate guys, as opposed

10:55

to focusing on all the great things they

10:57

do. And he could be a great player with all the skills

11:00

setting talent in the world. He could be a really good dude

11:02

with no priors or anything like that. But

11:06

what's wrong with him, Like, let's let's find something

11:08

wrong so we can eliminate it from the process

11:10

and just make it easier on ourselves because

11:12

yeah, you don't know if you like somebody, but you definitely

11:15

know if you don't like him. And that's what it feels like. Goes

11:17

on here and seeing Chris Ballard get

11:19

fired up about it. I will say this, if you're Chris

11:21

Ballad and you go that hard in the paint for a guy

11:23

you drafted, all right, you better

11:25

hope that you're right, you know, because some people are going to

11:28

going to remember that and say, all right, this is the guy

11:30

you defended and he's an a hole if that's what

11:32

it turns out to be. But hopefully

11:34

it works out well for him and he's you know, in to get

11:36

a pretty good spot there in Indianapolis. But it's

11:38

good to see Chris Ballard with the Chip Gains

11:40

look defending his guy.

11:42

Little red ass too to him.

11:43

You know, it's nice.

11:44

I do appreciate a good red ass.

11:45

By the way, I didn't really. He's a big dude.

11:47

Yeah, Like he like he looks like he

11:50

could throw it around a little bit, Like

11:52

gets in the weight room and you know, kind of lets

11:54

it. You know, what are we thinking? Like two

11:57

plates minimum just for warm up?

11:59

You know, probably going you know, two twenty.

12:03

Come on bench mat, Yeah,

12:05

probably probably warming up a little

12:07

two twenty five and then going off from there.

12:08

Yeah.

12:09

So I mean the combines in Indy, and

12:11

you know, Jim Mersey used to like to work out with

12:13

Ryan Grigson, so maybe that was like the prerequisite

12:16

if you wanted to be the GM of the Colts.

12:17

You gotta be throwing iron around. Yeah.

12:20

Move that bar, Ben and you just pretended.

12:22

Yeah, you know, that's

12:25

that's my philosophy at that bar

12:27

and Benden. You just pretended. You know, that's

12:29

how we do it in Dublin. And

12:32

if you if you think differently, you can kiss our ass.

12:35

I promise you this. It's It's a Monday morning,

12:37

April twenty ninth. The boys there at Dublin

12:39

Coffin High School, they're alreadyetting after it.

12:41

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

12:42

Coach Stokes, he's got them rolling, he's got them

12:44

going.

12:45

Now what are they do?

12:47

They get any sort of protein drink

12:49

afterwards? Is it that high level like you're

12:52

in college or just

12:54

drink the water? Water is just full of a ribbi

12:56

and that.

12:57

Water there in Dublin, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

12:59

We're where you're from. When it's like a

13:01

thousand oaks, you know.

13:03

I mean the mean streets

13:05

probably makes you soft.

13:08

What are you talking about? Like people?

13:11

When people think Dublin coff and I, they go, what

13:13

is Dublin?

13:14

Lee's water source seems to be Evan Williams

13:16

or some sort of Jack Daniels. Now,

13:20

hold on, Lee's like that guy

13:22

I heard the story about that his stomach just

13:24

naturally and takes uh, takes

13:27

carbohydrates, turns into alcohol.

13:29

Yeah, my water source is soda,

13:32

water for my ranch water, my tequila

13:34

and soda water or gin or gin and

13:36

soda.

13:37

If you had to pick one drink of choicely,

13:39

what would it be?

13:40

Gin and soda?

13:44

I mean, not not water,

13:47

not like you like coffee and John.

13:50

Yeah, you have one drink to drink the rest of your

13:53

life.

13:55

I don't know.

13:55

G and T is pretty high up there, is

14:00

that usually how you start off tonight?

14:02

Are you saying?

14:02

And I have to choose between water and alcohol?

14:05

By the way, G and T and

14:07

ajit and soda to me are very

14:09

different tasting.

14:10

They can be yesterday and they are. It's

14:13

mostly well, you're

14:15

getting mostly the tonic, you're getting mostly.

14:16

The sweet if you're doing a G and T.

14:18

But that's why I like the soda water because

14:20

you can actually taste what you're drinking, whether it's tequila,

14:22

gin or whatever.

14:23

There you go.

14:24

Do you have a top

14:27

gin like Mount Rushmore of gin like

14:29

Bombay?

14:31

I'm not a Bombay guy. It's a little too sweet for me.

14:34

Tanga Ray is up there. Beefeeders

14:37

is good, but it's not I wouldn't say it's high up there.

14:39

Hendricks is you know a favorite one but not mine?

14:42

What's the part on Kingpin where Bill

14:44

Murray's sitting at the bar and she goes.

14:47

Neither tang Ray and tab Yeah, keep them coming,

14:49

sweets. I got a long drive ahead of me. That

14:53

movie is so good. There's so many good lines

14:55

of that movie.

14:56

I mean, mostly by Bill Murray.

14:59

Suppose that they are all a lived that's the

15:01

word.

15:01

But oh man, two

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15:08

That was a just a well rounded

15:10

segment.

15:10

We started with newt Rockney's grave being

15:12

moved and ended up with Lee's drink of choice.

15:15

So that's how it's done here.

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16:40

So definitely

16:42

can I cannot play

16:45

that sound clip Lee just sent over to us

16:47

Norm McDonald at its finest. But we

16:51

do have more speculation on

16:55

whose call it was to take

16:58

Michael Pennix junior with the

17:00

number eight pick in the draft. Last Thursday,

17:03

Zach Klein, who covers the Atlanta

17:05

Falcons, said that apparently

17:08

this was Arthur Smith's plan, that

17:11

Arthur Smith was I'm.

17:13

Sorry, not Arthur Blank. Arthur Smith. Arthur

17:15

Blank.

17:15

Arthur Blank wanted a succession plan and

17:18

he wanted it in place. They don't plan

17:20

on picking that high up. They'll get five years

17:22

of control with Pennix, etc.

17:23

Etc. Etc.

17:25

I mean the only problem with that is that, you know, if all

17:27

goes well, you know, he doesn't

17:29

see the field for the first couple of years because all

17:31

the money they've got committed to Kirk Cousins.

17:33

But nonetheless it does feel

17:35

like and then you watch that video where it looks

17:38

like Arthur Blank is a little bit

17:40

confused as to why the pick is being made, and

17:42

Terry font knows got to explain the pick

17:44

to him. If you've got to explain

17:46

the pick, and then you've got to have people

17:48

afterwards try and claim that the

17:51

owner was all in on it, and so on and

17:53

so forth. I still

17:55

and I understand the thinking. I

17:57

understand the succession plan, but

18:00

I did not understand

18:03

that approach and them going that

18:05

direction right after you gave Kirk

18:07

Cousins all that money. That like that part

18:09

of me. And it's not an knock on Michael Pennix Junior.

18:12

If they traded down and he was sitting there

18:14

in the teams, I might maybe

18:16

more understand that. But you had an

18:18

opportunity to take the best defensive player

18:21

in the draft at that point, and instead they

18:23

took a quarterback they can't or hopefully

18:26

is not going to be helping you right away in

18:28

a division you can win.

18:30

It's weird.

18:30

I think that's the frustration is if

18:33

you just looked at each

18:35

decision exclusively,

18:37

you would have said one hundred million of Kirk Cousins. He's

18:39

the top free agent out there. Quarterback's

18:41

been our issue. Check got our quarterback,

18:44

let's go build now with a top ten pick,

18:47

and what we feel like to be a team need edge

18:49

rusher was what pretty much everyone kept

18:52

mocking up Dallas Turner looked

18:54

to be or I guess a lot to lots

18:56

to end up being the first defensive player

18:58

taken and edge rusher take it. And maybe they would have went that

19:00

direction, even though they went with Turner at

19:03

seventeen or excuse you not, Turner

19:05

and Cheess Minnesota did so

19:07

they couldn't have anyway. But the point is,

19:10

if it would have went that route, I think most people have

19:12

been like, oh, it's an awesome draft, we have a quarterback, got

19:15

you know, edge rusher and let's

19:17

move on. Or

19:20

you could have saved the one hundred million in cap space

19:22

guaranteed that you spent on Cousins, spent

19:25

that on other defensive players around the quarterback position,

19:28

and take on Michael Pennox. Now the problem with that

19:30

is everyone would have known that

19:33

you were going to take a quarterback in the draft then, because

19:36

outside of Cousins once you signed him. If

19:38

it wasn't for Cousins, you weren't really going to have a roster

19:41

that you felt good about. Yeah, so

19:44

I guess it would have been signaling ahead of time. If

19:46

you're spending all this money in free agency and

19:49

you were, you know, planning on taking a quarterback, you

19:51

know, would you have gotten Penix? What

19:53

a team of leap frogged ahead of you had taken them,

19:56

We don't know. I think the one

19:58

thing I can assure you is NFL team felt

20:00

higher on Michael Penix than

20:03

the public did. All the narrative you

20:05

heard about Michael PENOCKX was all injury history. Injury

20:07

history, and he's not one of the top

20:10

three guys. I don't even know. You

20:12

know, maybe that was true to some degree, but I'm not

20:14

even sure that's the case. I think some people,

20:16

you know, saw him as a top three quarterback in this class.

20:20

So that

20:22

strategy might not have been

20:24

there if they didn't sign Kirk Cousins,

20:27

whether he signed back in Minnesota or went somewhere else,

20:30

and maybe that takes away the ability for them

20:32

just to stay put and take Penix. But

20:34

either way, if you looked at each decision exclusive

20:37

you would have said, Okay, they're either getting

20:39

their their quarterback out of free agency

20:41

and that was a big need, or they're getting in the draft

20:44

big need, so you could check that box. The

20:46

frustration obviously comes because you're

20:49

really covering it in both ways short term

20:51

long term however you want to go about looking at it, but

20:54

also in the sense of, like, you have a thirty six year old quarterback

20:56

coming off in Achilles injury,

20:58

So is there a chance that maybe Kirk's

21:00

not as good as he once was, or a chance that

21:03

maybe they need Michael Pennix this year

21:05

or before. They've moved

21:08

on from the guarantees within Kirk Cousins contract

21:10

of course, so they've really

21:12

doubled down on the quarterback spot,

21:15

and they've doubled down on the fact that they don't

21:17

want the quarterback position to be

21:19

what keeps this team from being successful and

21:21

has this team in a rut like it was the last few

21:24

years. So I really

21:26

didn't have a problem with it. What

21:29

I find fascinating is how everyone

21:31

else has a problem with it. Like

21:34

everyone else has a problem with the fact that Arthur

21:36

Blank spent one hundred million of his

21:39

money right, one hundred million guaranteed

21:41

of his dollars to go get Kirk

21:43

Cousins and drafted a guy to eventually

21:45

replace him, Like, what

21:47

does it matter? Like, ultimately,

21:50

it's not your money. If quarterback

21:52

was their biggest issue, they solved it in two ways,

21:54

you'd say, And it's not going to prevent

21:57

them from winning this upcoming season because

21:59

even if this gets injured, they've got a rookie quarterback

22:01

ws a top ten pick they can come in and do the job. So

22:06

I'm a little bit like looking at it, going

22:08

why is there an outrage? Because

22:11

here's the deal. If they went

22:13

with Pennix, if they went with Cousins and it doesn't work

22:16

out either way, none of

22:18

them are going to be there. Terry

22:20

Fano won't be there eventually, Raheem Morris

22:22

won't be there. Like if they don't win, ultimately,

22:25

no one's gonna be there. They're gonna be moving on hiring

22:27

another coach. So I've

22:29

really never understood the outrage by it, Like

22:32

was this team with Kirk Cousins and edge rusher away

22:34

from winning a Super Bowl? Probably

22:36

not, especially not an edge rusher

22:39

that we don't know how he's going to translate in the NFL

22:42

by and large, the fact that there

22:44

was fourteenth straight offensive picks in this draft

22:47

and then you started at fifteen with Laotu

22:49

Latu and eventually Dallas Turner

22:51

went, it told you what the first

22:54

round with the NFL thought of this

22:56

defensive class. Was it very good?

23:00

So if that's the case, then like, why is there

23:02

such an outrage about this? I really

23:04

don't understand that knee jerk

23:06

reaction that we have to have after the draft to

23:08

be like, oh, this is terrible, this is Oh, they didn't

23:11

tell Kirk Cousins. How would they tell kirk Cousins.

23:15

They called him during the pick to let him know the

23:17

truth is, if they let that get out of the bag,

23:20

his agent might have let the rumer get out there. Maybe

23:22

a team trades up ahead of time. You have no

23:24

idea how that would afford.

23:25

And the way that his agent responded after the pick

23:27

was made, his agent probably would

23:29

have said something and gone public with

23:31

it.

23:33

That's where the least come from. They come

23:35

from, all the agents.

23:36

And Michael Pennix did say that Kirk Cousins

23:38

called him, you know, and just

23:41

talked and they're excited to work together, which is

23:43

not surprising. Kirk Cousins is a good dude,

23:45

and of course he was going to call him and have

23:47

the discussion. I also think part of the and

23:50

look, I didn't get the pick.

23:52

I still like, I can understand

23:54

the succession plan stuff, but you know,

23:57

you just gave the guy all that money, you

23:59

know the idea of that.

24:00

But if the owner made it, like, what does it matter? Well,

24:03

and it's his money, it's his team, and like it, Like

24:05

if I'm the head coach and the general manager, I'm like, all right,

24:07

well you made the pick, and don't put this on us.

24:09

But that's that also points to and

24:12

and we'll get to see how it works out and whether or

24:14

not Kirk Cousins is you know, and I don't know if you want

24:16

to do draft grades. I'm not a big fan of draft

24:18

grades. But like that that does point

24:20

to a bigger discussion. When

24:22

people complain or they bitch and moan

24:24

about well, it's all I mean, look at look at how

24:26

much money so and so spent this offseason.

24:28

Look at it isn't yours?

24:31

Like it doesn't like like when people used to criticize

24:34

the Yankees for all the money they spent or the Dodgers

24:36

for spending all this money they gave Shoe Aotani,

24:38

all this money they've spent all this money and all the

24:41

so what, like, like your

24:44

team should probably want to spend that money. Like if

24:46

you, if you're unhappy with it, tell your team to go

24:48

spend some money. The Padres spent a bunch of money.

24:50

The Phillies are spending a bunch of money in

24:52

Major League Baseball. It's like if

24:54

it's like you're don't worry about what someone

24:57

else's wallet is doing, Like it doesn't

24:59

matter, Like none of this money matters

25:01

to you, other than the fact that maybe your hot

25:03

dogs will get a little bit more expensive at games, or

25:05

you're gonna have to pay an extra buck fifty or two dollars

25:08

for a beer. But the idea that people

25:10

complain about how much somebody spends

25:12

when it's not their money is a little bit strange.

25:14

I've always found that a little bit, a little bit puzzling.

25:17

But you know, the the Falcons

25:19

got two quarterbacks.

25:20

Now, you know.

25:20

They well they have two quarterbacks, and I would actually

25:23

argue too. You know, they they had

25:25

a pretty solid draft overall.

25:28

I mean they got Britlan Trice, in the third round.

25:30

You know, if you need an edge rusher, there you go.

25:32

My favorite pick was probably Brandon Dorless.

25:35

He's a heck of an inter you

25:37

know, three technique that they got in the fourth

25:39

round. I mean, anyone who's watched Oregon, you

25:42

know, watch his twitch and this watch his ability

25:44

to be able to penetrate and make plays. He

25:46

was a guy that actually jumped off when I was watching Kaevon

25:49

Tiboeau the edge rushers. Now with the New York Giants,

25:52

I kept I would hit up Daniel Jeremiah. I'm like, dude,

25:54

this guy is awesome. I'm like,

25:56

have you watched him yet? And he's like yeah, and we kind of would,

25:59

you know, send notes, talk back and forth. But you

26:01

know, he was always the guy that jumped out off

26:03

the screen. To me, I'm

26:05

like, you know, Camon wasn't

26:08

having as much of an impact consistently in

26:10

games as Dorles was. So

26:12

you know, up and down their draft, whether you know j

26:14

D Bertrand, who's a hometown kid, Notre Dame guy,

26:16

so obviously I'm gonna be high on him and everything

26:18

he brings. But even Jace McClellan at the running

26:21

back spot from Bama. I think it's an underrated running

26:23

back. He's got a lot of tread on the tire left. They

26:25

had a solid draft all the way around,

26:28

addressing a lot of the things that people were concerned

26:30

by, like when their defense

26:32

was good last year. Anyway, Two, it's a calling

26:35

Carter Raheem Morris. I think about last year. Were

26:37

we talking about the La Rams last

26:39

year? Defensively with all those young pieces

26:42

outside of Aaron Darnold, Aaron Donald

26:44

and their defense was phenomenal last year? Well,

26:47

yeah, you get that defensive coordinator is now the head coach

26:49

in Atlanta, working with a defense

26:51

that was already pretty damn good last year,

26:54

even better with the infusement of talent that they've

26:56

got coming in now in this draft class, with

26:58

what they already had, and offensively

27:00

speaking, they already made moves

27:02

to bring in guys like Darnell Mooney, to bring

27:05

in Rondale Moore, to go with Drake London and Kyle

27:07

Pitts and b John Robinson. So

27:10

I was like, well, where else did you want them to go? You

27:13

know, it's not like they had that many

27:15

holes on this roster. Anyways,

27:18

watched them, we'd look and say

27:21

it was the quarterback position. That's what's held them back.

27:24

Well, they took arguably one of the best quarterbacks

27:26

in my mind in this draft class, and

27:28

they've got obviously the best free agent

27:31

who's coming off an injury at thirty six. So we'll

27:33

see where he's at. But I

27:35

think the one thing about and you talked about the

27:37

phone call from Kirk Cousins to Michael Pennocks. Kirk

27:40

Cousins is the consummate pro like. He's

27:42

not the type of guy that's going to be a bad guy or not want

27:44

to help the guy out. He'll help out Michael

27:46

Pennix. But the way they've

27:48

done this, it immediately,

27:52

it immediately in the quarterback room,

27:55

really sets the table for Look, Kirk's are

27:57

starting out, So Michael

27:59

Pennox is getting ready, but he doesn't have to feel

28:01

the weight of what Drake may hass to

28:03

deal with. He's gonna be the guy, right Jane

28:05

Daniels, Caleb Williams, they're

28:08

thrust it in and whether or

28:10

not the team feels like they're ready or not, those

28:12

guys are in. Michael Pennix, if everything

28:14

goes well, doesn't have to for at least two years

28:17

because that's about the amount of time before Atlanta

28:19

can move off from kirk cousins contract. But

28:22

I mean, so if kirk Cousins plays an MVP

28:24

the next two years, great problem to have, and

28:27

they'll probably handle it the same way the Green

28:29

Bay Packers did with Aaron Rodgers

28:31

and Jordan Love. But the

28:34

reality is they're not there

28:36

yet. That could be something they

28:38

can think about down the road, but it doesn't matter.

28:41

Like they've got a quarterback in waiting

28:43

in the future that it knows his spot,

28:45

knows his place, like you don't

28:47

bring you don't have a quarterback room where there's a big question

28:49

mark. Everyone understands the position that they're

28:51

in right now and really what they're

28:53

trying to accomplish, and that actually gives clarity

28:55

I think for Atlanta moving forward.

28:57

Now, let's not bury the lead though. I mean, there's

29:00

a lot of selections in the draft, you

29:02

know, a lot of I believe you and I also

29:04

called our shot. We did the wide

29:06

or black, mister irrelevant. I

29:08

believe you and I both went black, So

29:11

we won. That's a big win for us. So screw

29:13

you, LeVar. But the

29:17

Bears draft, well

29:19

yeah, you know, yeah, that was

29:21

the yeah, undrafted. Yeah, yeah,

29:23

don't worry about that. That's the draft, that's

29:25

a preseason, that's all. Yeah, all

29:27

that fun stuff. But the

29:30

Bears drafting Tory Taylor, the

29:32

stud punter out of Iowa, that to me

29:34

really is the elite of the draft. In the

29:36

fourth round, Chicago drafts

29:39

the punter from Iowa. That listen, when

29:42

you get your own special walkout in

29:45

your final game in Iowa and they really

29:48

dress it up. That ought to show you how valuable

29:50

he was to that program. And

29:52

you got to see him up close and personal several

29:55

times. So what do you make of the Bears going punter

29:57

with one of their at the time their final

29:59

pick of the but one of their five picks

30:01

in the draft because they traded away

30:03

so many other picks. Go punter in

30:05

the fourth round out of Iowa.

30:07

Okay, So people had a big issue

30:09

with this, and usually I do

30:11

as well. And I

30:14

thought back more about it for a couple

30:16

of reasons. One, if you're going to

30:18

take a specialist, you'd like them to be able

30:20

to earn it, you know, as far as through

30:23

training camp, or if it's a kicker, for example,

30:25

you're gonna have them through preseason. Some actual real

30:28

time spent actually competing

30:30

for that specific job to prove

30:32

themselves. What I

30:35

came to learn and what we're saying

30:37

now you're going to see this moving forward is there

30:40

was a big drop off in the depth

30:43

of talent viewed by at least

30:45

this is some of the people I talked to with in the NFL.

30:48

In the mid to lay rounds, there

30:50

is not as much depth and

30:52

people are all over the board on how they

30:55

see different positions and players.

30:57

And the reason for that is anil and call

31:00

college football. You have a lot

31:02

more players who are staying for a fourth year,

31:04

fifth year because of NIL

31:07

where they can earn additional monies

31:09

before they go to the NFL, and it's a question

31:12

mark as to if they'll be able to hang

31:14

on. So there was an estimated

31:16

about one hundred players who

31:18

decided to go back to college football as

31:21

compared to declaring

31:24

early and going

31:26

to the NFL and being a potential

31:28

draft pick. And so there's starting

31:30

to be a consensus that, hey, if

31:32

you want to get a guy who's going to make your roster, you

31:34

really like a guy, does not you know,

31:37

take him in the fourth round instead of waiting till the fifth where

31:39

you might not get them because you then

31:41

make it stuck taking a player that might not even make your roster,

31:44

and you feel like you're just kind of wasting the pick. So

31:47

I think you're going to see a few things, more

31:50

teams maneuvering around mid to late rounds

31:53

to take players they really like, have a higher

31:55

grade on, and think can make their roster. And

31:58

I also think, you know, you're going to see teams

32:00

who maybe start packaging a

32:03

lot of those mid to lay round picks to

32:05

go get veteran players. And they're

32:07

gonna see teams that start packaging those mid to lay

32:09

round picks to then trade up into

32:11

higher you know, mid or early earlier rounds.

32:14

You're gonna start seeing them used. Like I almost

32:17

even feel like the draft

32:19

value chart that a lot of teams use that

32:21

associates every pick with a value,

32:24

I wonder how that's going to be impacted

32:26

to with college

32:29

football and NIO and how this curt you know, how

32:31

things exist right now, because it's

32:33

definitely decreased the talent

32:35

pool that's declared from

32:37

a lot of the guys who are younger, a lot of the guys

32:39

who maybe some of those mid late round

32:41

pick grades who could be

32:44

fringe players in the NFL that would be draftable,

32:46

that are now saying, hey, I can get paid more going

32:49

back to school for one year. For example, quarterbacks.

32:52

You know, sometimes guys you know who maybe

32:54

even got undrafted this year are

32:56

making half a million. I

32:58

mean, and they're not making that on their rookie

33:00

deal, but they're going to make that in college

33:03

football, you know, something even maybe a million. So

33:06

if you look at those dynamics how they played out,

33:09

I think you see it a little bit. And that's why I didn't really have an issue

33:11

with them taking toward the Taylor. It's in need. He's going to

33:13

make the roster. He's a hell of a punter. But

33:15

also, you know, they might not have feel like they

33:17

could have gotten a player who's actually going to make the roster

33:20

at another position.

33:21

By the way, six four two thirty, Oh

33:23

Jack jacked, big dude.

33:26

It gills like you think he drinks out.

33:27

Of a shoe. You think he does the

33:29

the aussee the shoey. I have no

33:32

idea he drops that like that'll be fun

33:34

like him.

33:34

Lay listen, you send him to Russian Division Street

33:36

and let him get after it. I mean, no man, you

33:39

tear it up down there in Chicago. It is Two

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34:16

That'll be a fun one. Oh really, yeah.

34:19

So we got we was gonna change the schedule on Wednesday.

34:21

Yeah, we got got some different stuff going

34:23

on, you know, getting ready for the Kentucky

34:26

Derby.

34:26

So, uh so we're moving some stuff around this

34:28

week.

34:29

Nice.

34:30

Yeah, we're flexible, you know.

34:32

You know.

34:32

The worst thing was is I.

34:33

Uh I played a clip

34:36

from my mom of Petros

34:39

what he came on?

34:40

Oh god, yeah, yeah

34:42

it was the.

34:43

One when we're talking about different statues, the

34:45

history of Puzzo's.

34:47

Yeah, yeah, the cranks

34:49

on statues, which is always She.

34:51

Looked at me and my mom goes, this is what you guys

34:53

really talk about, and I get, well, not all

34:55

the times when Petros is on from.

34:57

Time to time, yank, Well, Mom, I mean

34:59

it is.

35:00

She was disgusted.

35:01

It's not all the time. Lead We're not.

35:03

We didn't talk about statues

35:06

and and uh their

35:08

cash and prizes and all the other stuff

35:10

unless I.

35:11

Was mostly ignorance though too.

35:12

I mean we did talk about Frank Gornson paddle the ball,

35:15

so.

35:16

Yeah, but that's because Jonas loves that stuff.

35:18

I don't. I just want to talk football

35:20

man, like I've been.

35:21

I've been trying all show to give my draft grades

35:24

and I can't seem to shoehorn him in. It's

35:26

really disrespectful to me. I think I put a

35:28

lot of time into.

35:29

This stuff, just so our listeners know. It's a

35:31

pet peep of mine. I hate draft grades. I think it's the

35:33

dumbest thing in the world. But Jonas is bringing

35:35

this up and go off on it.

35:37

It really is the douest.

35:38

That's the behind the scenes.

35:39

But you know what, you know, it's the dubbest thing.

35:41

So stupid, Like do you think anyone cares

35:44

the NFL what your draft

35:46

grades? Say?

35:47

It's also an incomplete.

35:50

You can't grade a draft until

35:52

you've seen what you drafted play

35:55

and so to do it on a Monday after

35:57

the draft and say I gave so and

35:59

so a minors for their draft, Yeah,

36:01

why why I didn't like the selection of this.

36:04

You haven't seen him play. You

36:06

have no idea what this looks like. So it's just an

36:08

incomplete. It's not even that even

36:10

too.

36:11

It's like sometimes the

36:13

situation, the circumstance of the organization change,

36:15

right, the coaches fired, the general managers fired, and

36:18

another guy comes in and for a lot of those guys like

36:20

they want their own guy. Like even

36:22

even if you're talking about a all time great

36:25

quarterback, they still want their own

36:27

guy. They still want the credit of drafting.

36:29

The next guy is going to replace him and be that guy.

36:32

Like it's just it's the weirdest thing. But

36:34

it's almost like you got engaged

36:36

and your parents they get divorced, and you

36:38

know that the new guy or girl comes in, they're like, you

36:40

know, I don't really like your fiance. You know, I was

36:43

thinking like, maybe I know this one girl, maybe you

36:45

could kind of.

36:45

Look at it's just sweet.

36:48

It wouldn't be anyway. You get

36:50

my point?

36:50

Yeah, no, I got you.

36:51

Well, I think we're both out on draft

36:54

grades in the NFL. But let's

36:56

find out what we might be in on.

36:59

Two pros in a cup. Show what

37:01

you to know?

37:05

Or alright? Lead to

37:07

laugh? What do we got?

37:07

All right?

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feel like i'd be welcome there. I

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don't feel like I'm the client. Tell they want coming in?

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I mean we could go right now.

37:39

It's based out of Portland. We can go.

37:41

Do they say men are allowed? If you're not going to show

37:43

men's sports?

37:44

Men are allowed? Just women's sports only on the television?

37:46

Yeah, Well, I hope it doesn't sound sexist

37:49

if I don't go, but it's

37:51

kind of sexist that you're not showing all sports.

37:53

Yeah, I'm insulted, so I'm out.

37:55

Yeah, feel more insulted by the fact that,

37:57

like, you can't watch all sports, just women's.

38:00

It's pretty disrespectful. I mean, if we did that,

38:02

what would they say about us? Out

38:06

out