0:03

He's getting ready to tell you some amazing stories.

0:06

But towards the end of our podcast, former Panther

0:08

wide receiver Willie Green will have some words

0:10

about the current Panther state of affairs

0:12

Panther fans if I can. Yeah,

0:15

I think we're going through some tough times

0:17

right now, but I think this organization

0:20

is going to bounce back. A prominent

0:22

member of the nine and ninety six Carolina

0:24

Panthers wide receiver Willie Green,

0:26

steps into the podcast twenty

0:29

five Seasons of Panthers Football,

0:32

a celebration of the players, coaches,

0:34

and other people who have contributed to the

0:36

organizational success. No to

0:39

mcmixon. You may have

0:41

heard those early Carolina

0:44

Panther teams had big personalities, and

0:46

we have one in here right now. From

0:48

Athens, Clark Central High School, old

0:50

miss class of wide

0:53

receiver Willie Green. Hello, Hello,

0:55

Hello, say something that only the real

0:58

Willie Green would notice that. Oh

1:02

god, uh,

1:05

there's a lot of stupid things that Willie

1:07

Green would say, But

1:09

but I would say, welcome, uh, Carolina

1:12

Fanther Panther fans, and it's uh,

1:14

it's it's great to be back. Has

1:16

the year years gone by quickly? Willie

1:18

since you were lasting this building.

1:21

Oh my god, yeah it has. You know, before

1:23

I came up, I walked out on the stadium

1:26

and seen to sign twenty

1:28

five years and it's

1:30

amazing. I cannot believe twenty

1:33

five years has gone by that quickly.

1:36

Um. But I think the

1:38

way I look at it is is, you know they said, um,

1:40

times travel fast when you're having fun,

1:43

so you know, um,

1:46

life has been great for me and

1:49

um. But but going back out, walking

1:51

out there and just savoring the moment,

1:54

it really made me realize

1:57

how much I miss it. And that's one of the

1:59

things that I think that has been a

2:01

great asset to me in my life

2:04

time is that I didn't

2:06

let it linger on me. I moved

2:08

on and was able to do things where

2:10

a lot of guys really can't let

2:12

go, and then you can't

2:14

focus on doing anything else

2:16

because you still want them,

2:19

you know, live that dream. And

2:22

so walking out to this morning,

2:25

it just really hit me and realized

2:27

that, God, I miss it. Yeah,

2:30

you're an important part of the history of

2:33

those those early teams. So you come out

2:35

of Mississippi, you get

2:37

picked up by the Panthers in the

2:39

the expansion draft, and you you'd already

2:41

played some What were your thoughts when you came to

2:44

to Carolina to join a brand new team.

2:46

Well, you know, I tell this

2:49

a lot of people. The Panthers

2:52

gave me a new life, right.

2:54

Um. You know, I got drafted by

2:57

Detroit in UM,

3:00

played there four years and went

3:02

to Tampa. UM. And

3:04

you know, through stupidity on my

3:06

own, I really didn't realize first

3:09

of all, how blessed I was to play the

3:11

game, right, be able to play

3:13

in the NFL, and then being

3:15

in Detroit and really

3:18

not being appreciative of playing

3:20

the game, And I got selfish

3:22

and thought that I was bigger than the game, and so

3:25

Detroit released me, and

3:27

then I went down to Tampa and I

3:30

didn't really didn't fit in there, and

3:33

I got cut halfway through the season.

3:35

Right. So, typically

3:39

my career is supposed to have been done. I

3:41

should have been out of the league done, and

3:44

I wouldn't be sitting here today. So

3:46

sometimes things work out as a blessing.

3:49

But when I was able to have a

3:51

second chance, or where in that

3:53

case, a third chance, UM,

3:56

I took a different approach. I took

3:59

approach of being appreciative

4:02

of being able to play this game.

4:04

At this level, and I

4:06

took the approach that I didn't

4:08

know everything like I thought I knew

4:11

everything, and I started listening

4:13

more to the coaches. And I tell this

4:15

story all the time. The

4:18

best coach that I ever had was Richard

4:20

Williams in my entire

4:22

career, high school, college, and because

4:25

Richard Williams taught me really

4:29

how to play the game. Everything,

4:31

everything prior to this was

4:34

all about me doing

4:36

this all of my natural, god given

4:38

talent. But he showed

4:40

me how to catch a ball, and he showed me

4:42

why you should catch a ball that way.

4:44

Nobody taught me that. But he

4:46

also taught me that Richard

4:49

knew that how

4:53

to get to me right

4:55

um. And I

4:58

was one of those players. If if I wasn't

5:00

fully focused and I was taking

5:03

things for granted like I did to five

5:05

years, I wasn't at my best, Richard

5:08

knew how to push my button to get me mad.

5:11

And when I'm mad and I'm out there

5:13

planning and that, but I'm still got

5:15

the right mindset, then I'm planning

5:17

at my best. So combining

5:21

teaching me how to catch a ball, and

5:23

I know that sounds strange to people. You

5:25

mean to tell me you didn't know how to catch

5:27

a ball prior to come into the Panthers. Honestly,

5:30

no, I did not. I was just going

5:32

off of pure talent. I didn't understand

5:34

why I should catch a ball that way.

5:37

This would be the same Richard Williamson that Steve

5:39

Smith talked about on this very podcast of

5:42

being a hard kind of a hard man but respect

5:45

Steve. Steve said a lot of the same things Willie. He

5:47

said Richard Williamson told him, said, Son, you're either

5:49

gonna get get it together or you're gonna be bagging groceries

5:51

at the food line. He told me the same thing, right

5:54

And you know Mark Carrier tape. Richard

5:56

Williams and I had a love hate relationship.

6:00

I love the guy and I hated him

6:02

because if

6:05

we were at a game or a practice or

6:07

just sitting around in the locker room, Richard

6:10

was the same. His mindset

6:12

was get focused. You're

6:14

here for a reason. All that other stuff

6:16

outside of the stadium forget about.

6:18

You're here to win, and I'm gonna make

6:20

sure I do whatever I can to make you

6:22

win. And I'm not gonna let you black

6:25

assi in practice. You know you're

6:27

gonna play you're gonna practice the same way

6:29

I actualpect you to play. So he

6:31

would not let you. I don't care where

6:34

you were, if you were in this locker room,

6:36

if you are on that field. His

6:38

whole thing was get your mind right.

6:41

You're here for a reason. So

6:43

so in this era, now we hear this term players

6:45

coach and all. Would it be right to say, Richard

6:48

Williamson believe that it wasn't his job to make

6:50

you happy. It was your job to make him

6:52

happy. Absolutely absolutely, And I and

6:54

I do see a changing that,

6:56

right, And I do see where

6:59

guys see that. And again

7:01

I said all the time, Richie

7:04

Williams, I'm so much a priest. I wish

7:06

that I would have had a Richard Williams

7:08

my first year in the NFL. Right,

7:12

Um, I I tell people's stories

7:14

all the time. You know, if

7:16

I were to drop a ball, which here was

7:19

very rare, right, and

7:21

you know everybody knew on third down I was getting

7:23

the ball. So the thing is

7:26

you gotta stop me. And that's the arrogancet

7:28

that Richard Williams installed in me as well,

7:30

to say, look, they know you're gonna get the ball.

7:33

Proved to them that they can't beat you one on

7:35

one, because this was this game comes down to,

7:37

is the one on one between you and that defensive

7:40

back. You beat him at all costs.

7:42

So people knew. But when I dropped the

7:44

ball, which was very rare, and

7:47

I walked on that sideline because most of the

7:49

time it's third down, and we didn't convert

7:52

that phone, that back phone wouldn't ring,

7:55

and everybody willie Richard

7:58

on the phone, and I get

8:00

on the phone. And here's what Richard was. Hey say

8:03

cast the ball and you hang

8:05

up. Oh

8:07

my gosh. Right, that was it, because

8:10

he said, that's your job. So when

8:12

we're sitting in meetings and right, and I

8:14

make a spectacular catch, or Mark

8:17

makes a spectacular catch, a moose makes us

8:19

spectacular kit you know what Richard Williams

8:21

saying, that's what you paid do. Well,

8:23

you don't expect us to give you any actualities.

8:25

That's what you're paid to do. Old

8:29

school. And and I tell you

8:31

what it helped. It helped

8:34

and uh and and so I'm so much

8:36

appreciative of that he respected you guys

8:38

enough to tell you what he thought

8:40

you most desperately needed to know. A young

8:43

receivers like Richard was one

8:45

of those coaches. And this is the biggest problem

8:47

with a lot of coaches today, um

8:50

is they think that there's a one size shoe fit

8:52

off right, and

8:54

and in our case, you had different personalities.

8:57

You had moose In who's coming

8:59

in as a rookie. You had rocket

9:02

Ishmael who it

9:04

was like wow everything you know, it's just

9:06

he would say or do anything. You have Mark

9:09

Carrier, who was kind of calm and laid

9:11

back, and there you have me, right,

9:14

And he knew that everybody had

9:16

a button that he needed to push. He could

9:18

not talk to Mark Carrier. Wouldn't

9:20

I talk to Mark Carry the same way

9:22

he would talk to me. It wasn't the fact that he respected

9:25

Mark more than I did. He knew

9:27

what motivated Mark versus

9:29

what motivated me, and

9:31

so he didn't use a one size shoe fit

9:33

all to say, Okay, this is

9:35

why I'm gonna coach everybody. And that's the mistake

9:38

a lot of these coaches have today is they don't

9:40

get to understand and know what

9:43

buttons they need to push with the players

9:45

individually. Everything is about

9:48

how can I do it all in one shot.

9:50

It's one of the best things about athletics, the relationships

9:53

and also the you know, the

9:55

lessons learned the great Willie

9:57

Green, our guest six for wide Receiver from

10:00

the Carolina Panthers and ninety six.

10:02

You can't believe everything you read online, but several

10:04

bios of you will. They say that you were raised

10:07

by politically active parents.

10:10

Is that true and if so, how did it influence

10:12

you then and now? Well? It

10:15

it depends on what you defined

10:18

as politically active. My

10:20

my mother and my father was considered

10:22

the mother and father of the community.

10:25

My mom ran the local rec center, UM

10:29

she she was one of the founders of the first

10:31

women's clinic. She was very

10:34

proactive in those types

10:36

of issues that involved a poor,

10:39

low income neighborhood, black and white.

10:42

She was a Girl Scout leader

10:44

for twenty five years.

10:47

She served in the church. So she

10:49

was one of those people. And my parents, my father

10:51

was one of those people that if

10:54

a child got in trouble with the law, my

10:57

mother and father had the relationship with the

10:59

judge, whether judge would if

11:01

my mom went to court with that

11:04

with that kid and that my

11:06

mom said, Judge, I got him, I'll

11:08

take care of him. The judges there trusted

11:11

my mom that know that she would

11:13

do it just to keep that care from being in

11:15

trouble. If there was any relationship

11:18

issues among the black and white in the community.

11:22

Back in Georgia in the sixties

11:24

and seventies and the eighties, my

11:26

mom would be sort of the mediator between

11:29

everybody. Right, she was the one

11:31

that figure out a win win

11:33

win. And so that's what I grew up

11:36

in and that that community.

11:38

So you can call it political activism,

11:40

you can call it activism. I

11:43

look at it as my mom being

11:45

uh, my parents being someone who

11:48

wanted the best for the community and

11:50

was willing to go out and make those sacrifices.

11:53

Now, as a result of that,

11:55

the projects that we grew up in in Athens,

11:58

Um, they named a street after my mom.

12:01

Right. They tore down the projects and built

12:03

uh affordable housing there.

12:06

Um, so they named the street after

12:08

um. Both my mom and my

12:10

myself both got the key to the city

12:13

of Athens for our community

12:15

work. So um and I did

12:17

grow up and learning loving politics.

12:20

I've always been interested in politics.

12:22

And you know, of course they in the locker room,

12:24

I was called the mayor of Shelby,

12:26

and it's just politics is something that I've

12:28

always been fascinated with are your

12:30

parents still living with? No? My

12:33

my my father, and

12:35

you know, I was named after my father, but

12:37

I wasn't a junior because he didn't have a middle

12:39

name. But my father

12:42

was my best friend growing up. And

12:44

when you grew up in low income neighborhoods,

12:47

UM, you know, fathers are somewhat

12:49

non existence. Back then it was um

12:53

it was somewhat still in that existence

12:55

stage. But my father and I.

12:58

My father never drove a car. Oh,

13:00

he was a janitor. We used to literally walk

13:03

to work. My father never missed

13:05

any of my games. We used to walk to

13:07

my practice in my game if we didn't get

13:09

a ride. And

13:12

my father was my close friend. And

13:14

I tell the story and that we were just talking about

13:16

the University of Georgia if we got time.

13:19

My father and I used to when I was a kid

13:22

in elementary school, middle school. My father

13:24

was a big Bulldolf fan and he was a Falcons

13:26

fan right so after

13:28

on Saturday, we used to go to the game

13:31

at Georgia and sit up on the railroad tracks because

13:33

we couldn't afford to go into the game. We

13:36

used to sit on the railroad tracks and

13:38

my father had never been in Stanford Stadium.

13:41

And so my freshman year when

13:43

I was at Old Miss, we came back down to Athens

13:46

and I started at my freshman year and

13:50

something told me after that

13:52

game, and I could see the proudness on my dad

13:54

face. Right. My dad was a very quiet

13:56

man, totally opposite of me. Right, um

14:00

um. And by the way, just go back my

14:02

mom and father. I had eight brothers and sisters,

14:05

and I'm the youngest. I never seen

14:07

my mother and my father fight physically.

14:10

They had their differences, but

14:12

my father was one of these. He would

14:14

after he said I'm finished with it, he was finished with

14:17

it. Now my mom would still be off in the kitchen

14:19

argument, but my dad was like, I'm finished, but I'm not

14:21

gonna go down that brother. So

14:24

the when we played Georgia, my

14:26

freshman yet at Old Miss, we came

14:28

down to Georgia, came down to Athens, my hometown.

14:31

My dad was at the hotel Friday night, and

14:34

you can see the proudness on his face.

14:36

Because I'm the youngest of

14:38

of nine, youngest boy, I'm the first

14:40

one and the only one in my family that went to

14:42

college. Right, So this was

14:44

an honor for my dad coming back. Uh,

14:47

in my freshman year. After

14:50

the game, something told me to

14:53

hug my dad and tell him I love him,

14:56

and I didn't. Hey, but I could

14:58

see the proudness on his face. So we

15:00

get back to old Miss, you did do that

15:02

or you did not? You did not and

15:05

told you something told me to I

15:07

did not. And again my father was my best

15:09

friend and anybody who knows us in Athens,

15:12

we were like inseparable. My father played

15:14

golf right on Saturday. I will

15:16

go for play golf with my dad and ride

15:18

the golf cause that's why I love golf. And my goal

15:20

was always on the golf course so I could

15:22

play with him though. He was my motivation for

15:24

doing a lot of things. Uh, seeing

15:27

him at Georgia game, not being able to

15:29

go in the game and saying, I want to be in a position

15:31

where my dad considering the stands.

15:34

So after the game, we get on the bus we

15:37

fly back. Told miss. The next

15:39

morning, and this is before cell phones

15:41

and all this stuff. The next

15:43

morning, I go to my meeting and

15:46

I get a call. I get I get called out of

15:48

the the meeting, and

15:51

uh, the trainer said, Willie, your

15:53

aunt is on the phone. I'm

15:55

like, you know, my hunt. Because

15:58

after every game when I

16:00

was at Old Miss before that, and I went to a prep

16:02

school my senior year, after game,

16:04

I would my dad and I would talk, you know, he

16:07

how did you do? He never criticized

16:09

me, how did you do so far? And so on, So it was routine

16:11

for him to call me or I call him

16:13

after the game and give assessment. If we

16:15

won, I called. If he we lost,

16:18

he called right. So that was just

16:20

something. So we get

16:22

back, I get get the

16:25

trainer comes to me and so Willie, Uh,

16:27

your aunt is on the phone, like that's how you

16:30

know? My my aunt calling me. And

16:33

I got the news that my dad died of a heart

16:35

attack the day after

16:38

I got back from

16:40

playing George on Saturday. On Sunday, he died,

16:43

and he died. My mom and my

16:46

dad was out in the garden. You

16:48

know, my mom had a garden and they were

16:50

out doing stuff in the garden and my

16:52

mom my dad, so I'm gonna go get something to

16:54

drink for us, and he went to get

16:56

something to drink and my mama's sister and him

16:58

was out there and my dad never came back.

17:00

So my sister went to see him, see

17:03

where he was, and he had had a heart attack

17:05

in the kitchen, right

17:07

and that was. So my father got to see

17:09

me play college,

17:12

my first college game, and he got to sit

17:14

in Sanford Stadium, right was,

17:16

which was a thrill of to him.

17:19

So so that was that sort

17:21

of a story. I tell people about my

17:23

relationship with my father and

17:25

how he inspired me to be where

17:27

I am today. Are you a parent,

17:30

I am. What's your relationship

17:32

like with your offspring? Well,

17:35

um, most of all of my kids

17:37

are older now. I have a son who's a

17:39

coach at adopted son

17:41

um um that Uh.

17:44

He's a coach at um UH at

17:46

Washington Baptist University UH

17:48

Division two school. His wife is the

17:51

softball coach there. He's the assistant

17:53

football coach there. Uh. I

17:55

have a son who plays Arena ball. Um.

17:58

I have a son who attends he's UH

18:01

at U n C Charlotte. He did play

18:03

last year. He decided to not to play

18:05

this year because he's graduating

18:07

in January, I mean in June,

18:10

and he's an economics the green

18:12

major, and that right now it's kicking his butt,

18:14

so he decided to take off. I

18:17

have a daughter who plays volleyball at Greensboro

18:19

College. And then I have a fourteen year old

18:21

who plays middle school ball and best

18:24

basketball, football and baseball. My

18:27

sense about it, Willie Green, is that you you hug

18:29

them and you tell them you love them.

18:33

I well, I tell

18:35

them in a way that they

18:38

know I love him. I let him know. And

18:40

I learned this from Richard William uh

18:42

and my dad, because even though my dad

18:44

and I had a good relationship, I knew

18:47

where that line was, where my

18:49

dad was I consider him my friend.

18:51

But my dad said, now I'm your father, because

18:54

see sometimes that line get blurred. And

18:57

so I tell my kids today, Yeah,

18:59

I'm not your friend. In right,

19:01

I'm your dad. I'm not gonna tell

19:03

you anything that's gonna lead you in ther w own direction.

19:06

And I'm not one that you can laugh and joke

19:08

and play with and talk to your friends like

19:10

you talked to your friends. That's not me interesting

19:14

well, fascinating stories that uh

19:16

that you got that notion or that something

19:19

told you to hug him and tell him

19:21

you loved him. And then he passed away the

19:23

next the next day, right, I mean after he

19:26

had had too hard, he had had too heart

19:28

attacks prior to that, and I remember

19:30

the first heart attack he had. I was in high school

19:33

and I remember going to the hospital and

19:35

he was saying, it's not my time

19:38

yet, right. So what

19:40

I look at it is I think God kept

19:42

my dad alive long enough

19:44

to see the

19:46

fruit of his loins and what he did,

19:49

and for to see his son play

19:52

in college. I think that's what he wanted to

19:54

see. I don't even think he was probably looking past

19:57

college. But to be able to sit

19:59

in Stanford at um right

20:01

and not on them read the roads tracks, to see

20:03

it from a distance and being there and

20:05

then get to see his son play,

20:07

I thank God. I think my

20:09

dad probably said to God, Okay, now I'm ready,

20:12

right, I'm ready. It's amazing. I heard

20:14

a preacher one time, Willie say, if you're a cool

20:16

parent, you're a fool parent, and

20:19

a lot of you know, there's a lot of wisdom in

20:21

that. Let's wrap up. Let's circle back to the

20:23

your panther career for just a bit. You had an amazing

20:25

NFL career, wind up with a couple of Super Bowl rings

20:28

with the Denver Broncos. But what does some I'm

20:30

not doing my job if I don't get you to reminisce for

20:32

just a second on some of your favorite memories, maybe

20:35

stories, personalities, locker room,

20:38

road trips, whatever. With Carolina

20:41

Pa. You know it's

20:47

I I said all the time. You

20:49

know, I played on three teams, four teams,

20:52

but from a standpoint of family

20:55

and closeness, the

20:58

panthers being with the pan because I had more

21:00

of a sense of family

21:03

here than anywhere else. Not to knock anywhere

21:06

else again, when I was in Detroit, I really

21:08

didn't appreciate it, right, I didn't

21:10

appreciate it here. I started

21:12

appreciating and then started appreciating the guys in

21:14

the locker room. You know, I was somewhat of

21:16

an anti socialist too. I

21:18

didn't talk a lot or mingle

21:21

a lot with people. But when I got here, we

21:24

had a locker room where you go in you can laugh

21:26

and joke and play around. And I

21:28

mean it was a family, right, and

21:30

we tell the story all the time. We kind

21:32

of got superstitious, and athletes

21:34

are superstitious. When

21:36

we got on that winning street um in

21:39

ninety um six um

21:42

um, A couple

21:44

of started going on Friday because it's a

21:46

short day. Howard Griffiths

21:48

myself, Mark Carrier. We started

21:50

going to um the Hooters

21:53

right on Indianapolis too, I mean Independence,

21:57

and and we started winning, so we

21:59

didn't want to break it. So then by the time

22:01

this season was over, it was like everybody was

22:03

going there to eat. It was just a superstition,

22:06

but it was a way for us to get away from sports

22:09

and have fun together without

22:12

having to go out to a club or something

22:14

like that. It was just more just us sitting

22:16

at the table, laughing and joking. And I

22:18

think that made a big difference and

22:21

gaining everybody, gaining trust in everybody

22:24

and understanding everybody's situation

22:27

and not judging anybody based

22:29

off or whatever their belief for religious

22:32

or political whatever. It

22:34

was like, look, we're family, we're gonna get in this

22:36

together. We're gonna have our fights, whatever fights

22:38

we have, we're gonna have them internally,

22:41

and we're gonna win. And it and it

22:43

showed that last

22:46

question for you will let you go, Willie Green, of what

22:49

time flies thanks to you?

22:52

And and of what in your panther career

22:55

are you most proud? Wow?

22:58

Um,

23:03

I can't pick one thing, but what I can

23:05

pick as a holistic of things. Again,

23:09

I always believe that things happen for a reason.

23:11

I always believe that God puts us in places

23:14

where he wants us to be. I

23:16

really believe that God put me in

23:18

this position where I was cut by

23:21

the Tampa Bay realized that hey,

23:23

I got a second chance, and then coming

23:25

to this organization. Because this

23:28

organization, I don't honestly, I don't know

23:30

where I would be if I didn't have a second

23:32

chance. I don't know if I would be broke or in

23:34

the streets or in jail whatever, I don't

23:36

know. But it allowed me to

23:39

not only be part of this family, but

23:41

also to to

23:44

meet my wife. And we've been

23:46

married for twenty four years, twenty three

23:48

years now. Um my wife

23:50

was who I met when I first got here. Uh

23:53

and we've raised great kids and still

23:55

live in Shelby, and we were living, you

23:57

know, still living in the same house we lived in

23:59

twenties up years ago. Where you know, you

24:01

know how it is with athletes wants, you

24:03

know, a lot of divorce and a lot of brokes. You

24:05

know, guys go broke. So I

24:08

just think that it is a combination of a whole

24:10

bunch of things that if it wouldn't

24:12

have happened you and I wouldn't be sitting here

24:14

today. And I

24:17

don't look back and say what if right,

24:19

because I'd rather take where I am now

24:21

and be appreciative than they think about what

24:24

it could have been if I would have done that, because

24:26

it could be a whole lot worse. One

24:30

of the most amazing things to me about your story

24:34

is that you are I think I'm right if I

24:36

say this a reformed diva wide

24:38

receiver, and those are rare in this world.

24:41

Yeah. Yeah, I still got some arrogance

24:44

about myself, but I think that that's needed

24:47

again. I I have to fight a lot of tough

24:49

hell battles when you know, dealing in politics

24:51

and then been dealing in business. But

24:54

I am a reformer from a standpoint

24:56

of and I think a lot of guys,

24:59

I think, what's the wide receiver?

25:01

Now that's no Antonio Brown.

25:04

I think he's finally hit him and realized

25:07

how good he had it when

25:09

he was there, and now it's gone.

25:12

And I was fortunate enough to get a second

25:14

chance, a third chance to

25:16

realize and a bitter really appreciate

25:19

playing this game at this level. Appreciate

25:22

you stopping by and thank you. I appreciate it,

25:24

Mick, thanks for inviting me, and you know, Panther

25:27

fans if I can, you know,

25:29

I think we're going through some tough times

25:31

right now, but I think this organization

25:34

is going to bounce back. I think that

25:36

that you know, all NFL teams go

25:39

through this, So just continue to

25:41

uh support the team, you know, even

25:43

stronger than ever and things

25:45

are going to change, you know. Um

25:48

So just just half faith and

25:50

maybe keep pounding, keep pounding the absolutely

25:52

keep pounding. Baby, appreciate it. Well, thank you.

25:59

We'll continue our historical perspective

26:01

of the first quarter century of Panther football

26:03

next time right here on the podcast.

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