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1:05

Over the past few weeks, we have been

1:07

highlighting some of the biggest issues on the

1:09

minds of voters, how political parties have been

1:12

campaigning and their prospects in different states. Now,

1:15

with 3 out of the 7 phases behind us,

1:18

we take a stock of what these looks of

1:20

our polls have revealed so far. And

1:22

for this, joining us is

1:24

Neerja Chaudhary. Neerja,

1:26

we are talking after 3 phases of this

1:28

election have been over. Can you

1:31

begin by telling us, are there things that

1:33

have now become more clear to us that

1:36

weren't so at the beginning? Look,

1:38

when the election campaign started

1:40

and the elections were announced, everybody

1:43

felt it was a done

1:45

deal. That Narendra Modi was

1:47

coming back to power, probably with

1:49

a whopping majority. We'll have

1:51

a third stint in power. And I remember people

1:53

saying, look, we are not interested in, you know,

1:56

what happens in the elections. We know that. We

1:58

are also not so interested in elections. the

2:00

numbers, the suspense is on

2:02

what he will do in his

2:05

third stint. So, that was

2:07

a kind of talk. Today

2:09

after three phases, it's not that

2:11

he is not coming back to

2:13

power, but the narrative is changing

2:16

by the day, even as the

2:18

election progresses. And

2:20

it is, you hear of takkar,

2:22

that's the word in many parts,

2:25

including North Indian states where people

2:27

didn't think that the opposition had

2:30

a chance at all. So when

2:32

I went to Western UP or

2:34

Rajasthan or Haryana, people are talking

2:37

about takkar. Now I must add

2:39

that this stage, a takkar does

2:41

not automatically mean a victory because

2:44

the BJP in the Northern states

2:46

last time had whopping

2:49

majorities. So they had

2:51

five lakh lead, four lakh lead, three

2:53

lakh lead in places. And

2:55

even if there is a takkar and

2:57

there seems to be a takkar and

2:59

the opposition is putting up a fight,

3:02

then it may come down to

3:04

one lakh lead, it may come down to 50,000 lead.

3:06

So we don't know and

3:08

we must not forget that

3:11

the BJP has a formidable election

3:13

machinery as far as the last

3:15

mile of election is concerned in

3:18

covering that, which is something that

3:20

the opposition lacks on the whole.

3:23

And Nijia, when we talk about this takkar,

3:25

is it a formidable one, something that can

3:28

actually challenge the BJP? I

3:30

won't say a formidable one. I

3:32

would say more that there isn't a

3:34

wave of the kind that existed in

3:37

2014 or 2019. And

3:43

other issues are coming to the

3:45

fore that are exercising people and

3:47

their local issues, they may be

3:49

local conflicts, they may be local

3:52

strong local candidates and

3:54

the wave could subsume this,

3:57

The last two elections, But isn't

3:59

it subsuming? The warming this in this

4:01

election so many pieces in of the police

4:03

it was more the was his lucas how

4:05

this will pan out be don't know that

4:07

our communities for instance in with them for

4:10

days like the last with community which was

4:12

on the. Warpath. They. Feel

4:14

they have not got this share of

4:16

candidates and representation and many of them

4:18

feel that yogi as it's the not

4:21

may be sent to Delhi from Lucknow

4:23

off the zealots and that all of

4:25

us what is the basis of this

4:27

appearance and we don't know but it's

4:29

was expressed by many people. And

4:32

death for that is the feel the

4:34

need to their names that a little

4:36

more these stories are they don't have

4:38

that V Completely. So. It's this

4:40

kind of a sentiments you know

4:43

that sort. hundred Plus not that

4:45

I see is becoming counterproductive. This

4:47

slogan of four hundred plus has

4:49

become. Counterproductive in many ways

4:52

because number. One god or

4:54

was apathetic thought of as again it's

4:56

a done deal. You. Know why

4:58

what card So people said the

5:00

you didn't see the developers on

5:02

the roads The Jaycees Arms slogans

5:05

as used to take place in

5:07

the Us. And. Some say

5:09

that this might be the case with certain voters

5:11

as both you know Bjp supporters feeling that why

5:13

go out and the heat. When. We

5:15

know that the party's winning and winning sensitivity.

5:18

Yes, That is absolutely the case.

5:20

Number. Two, What it's done. Is.

5:23

There is a message that as

5:25

gone to the dalits water and

5:28

that I found in that span

5:30

villages and U P villages in

5:32

Madison. Religious zealots, dollars less people

5:34

in a. Scheme. Does. This

5:37

mean odds as if this and can

5:39

be done. Agree with. Visit

5:41

us not into modi and damage saw

5:43

have gone out of their way to

5:46

I saw them that's not going to

5:48

happens but that next season that at

5:50

P Henson has is he still religious

5:52

said that again is so it's a

5:55

dicey business. The other mrs it's gone

5:57

as we said afford to is a

5:59

christening Fbi middle class in several people

6:02

are you know these a say voices

6:04

with voice is nonetheless who asks Saw

6:06

that on a hotel told a hot

6:09

keys to the other cities in them

6:11

and of he had to was a

6:13

one party system. these kind of feels

6:15

have been there is food. This Lawrence

6:18

thought that the four hundred plus I

6:20

feel has been counterproductive to the busy

6:22

peace and that seems to be coming

6:25

in. On to the for now. And.

6:27

These are the last time we spoke and that

6:29

was just before the police began. We.

6:32

Had talked about how in this

6:34

election we don't see that much

6:36

religious polarization. But. That seems to

6:38

have changed now the be we have seen pm

6:40

more the and the Bjp talk about muslims. And

6:43

the Congress is not something we have seen

6:45

before. This time it has been very

6:47

direct. As someone who has been

6:49

covering Bgp for years now. Did

6:51

That's a place you. Know that

6:54

it turns to the agenda was them

6:56

again doesn't surprise me because that would

6:58

have happened at some stage is sick.

7:00

tried and tested method and it always

7:03

use them dividends and the city in

7:05

on use it so that doesn't surprise

7:07

me. What did surprise me is that

7:10

initial bit where people said just not

7:12

into listed the rest soon you'll be

7:14

with this as Hindu Muslim was a

7:16

major issue in two thousand and fourteen

7:19

elections that area The cellphone not as

7:21

and was Snoopy tells you this. Is

7:23

not.indo Muslim elect's candidates said that. Seems

7:25

to be honest I didn't meet months

7:27

single person. On my tip to us

7:29

a new people said that it is

7:31

in the list and nexus is that

7:33

some people are tired of this Hindu

7:35

Muslim visit the up to live as

7:37

neighbors the have to get on with

7:40

other things and even looking more and

7:42

more the as days more the the

7:44

Lido more the the delivery of things

7:46

dose of afford it and those who

7:48

left not for and after the first

7:50

two phases it is done in the

7:52

listing. Now what surprised me. Is the

7:54

assertiveness with which the Prime

7:56

Minister said has flagged it?

7:59

Is. Bunch. speech that the

8:01

benefits of development will go to

8:03

those who are infiltrators or

8:05

those who have more children. Very

8:08

directly he's alluded to the Muslim

8:10

community again and again and again.

8:13

Muslim appeasement and that I don't

8:15

think has happened in the past

8:17

election. So this has surprised me.

8:30

What does this mean? Of course

8:32

they want to consolidate the

8:36

Hindus behind them. But it is

8:57

not having the kind of traction

8:59

that it used to have in

9:01

the past. And what

9:03

does it say about the BJP that it

9:05

feels the need to do this? Is it

9:08

just something that is tried and tested for

9:10

them or does it speak to a certain

9:12

insecurity as well? You know they

9:14

may have hoped that the Ram

9:16

Mandir in Ayodhya in January would

9:19

be the Pulwama of 2024

9:22

and found that's not the case. And you know

9:24

if you talk to people, people are very happy

9:27

about the Ram Mandir being built. They

9:29

plan to go there or they've been there.

9:31

So there's not that the Hindus are not

9:33

happy. But if you ask them why you

9:35

voting for the BJP, their first answer will

9:37

be 370 or something

9:40

to do with the Prime Minister. They on

9:42

the whole don't mention Ram Mandir and if

9:45

they do it is down in the list

9:47

of why they will do it. So

9:49

while they're happy it is not a

9:51

voter determinant in the way the BJP

9:54

might have expected it to be. Therefore

9:57

the narrative is only record of the last

9:59

five years. years. Now record

10:01

of the last five years for

10:03

any incumbent government without a new

10:05

narrative added to it becomes

10:08

I won't say problematic but not

10:10

as newer thing to sell as

10:12

say Pulwama was or the Nationalistic

10:15

Fauvah was in 2019 after the

10:18

surgical strikes and Indo Park

10:20

became an issue. Those are emotive things.

10:23

So this time around the new

10:25

narrative around an emotive issue was

10:27

not there and therefore that may

10:29

be a reason why the BJP

10:32

has gone back to what I

10:34

call the tried and tested method.

10:37

And we've been talking about the BJP but now

10:39

let's talk about the Congress. There

10:41

has been a lot of talk about

10:43

the Amati and Raibareli seats which have

10:46

been the Congress' bastions. Amati for the

10:48

first time in 25 years is being

10:50

contested by a non Gandhi and Rahul

10:52

in a surprise twist is

10:54

contesting from Raibareli instead along

10:57

with Vayanad. Now the

10:59

Congress left this till the very last

11:01

minute. Would you say that it made

11:03

the Congress look unconfident or

11:05

would you say that it just made them look

11:07

a bit cautious or even strategic?

11:10

If you ask my view I

11:12

personally think that Rahul Gandhi should

11:15

have contested from Amati and Priyanka

11:17

Gandhi Vadra should have contested from

11:19

Raibareli because those two seats are

11:21

associated with the revival of the

11:23

Congress party in Uttar Pradesh and

11:25

unless the party gets them back

11:27

you know it's a very different

11:29

message going out there and without

11:32

reviving in the Hindi heartland equal

11:34

to Uttar Pradesh which has been

11:36

the karm boomie of the Gandhi

11:38

family that signal will not go.

11:40

I mean revival in the rest of

11:42

the country is not going to be

11:45

a reality. So the two seats are

11:47

very symbolic in many ways. Now

11:49

Rahul Gandhi what is his USP

11:51

unique selling point? Rahul Gandhi's

11:53

unique selling point is that he is

11:55

very forthright about what he believes in.

11:57

He doesn't care, he's courageous, he's He

12:00

takes on Modi, he'll tell him

12:02

what is what and so on.

12:04

He doesn't worry about the consequences.

12:06

Go from Ambedi to Raibareli, a

12:08

safer seat, not risk and it

12:11

would have been a risk taking

12:13

on Smriti Irani and the possibility,

12:15

many people feel he would have

12:17

won but the possibility of a

12:19

defeat takes away from Rahul Gandhi's

12:21

USP. Yeah, with this

12:24

he's avoiding taking on Smriti Irani, he's

12:26

opting for the safer choice. The

12:28

safer way. Then there is, I find,

12:30

you know, suppose he will have to give up one,

12:33

which one will he give up? Suppose

12:35

he gives up Vai Naad, which many believe

12:37

he will. The Vai Naad people did not

12:39

know when they voted for him that he

12:41

was going to also stand from Raibareli. Right,

12:44

when he made the decision to stand from

12:47

Raibareli, the voting in Vai Naad was already

12:49

over. That's right. Many

12:51

people have stood from two

12:53

constituencies. His grandmother Indira Gandhi

12:55

stood from two constituencies. In

12:58

1980, Raibareli and Medek, she chose to

13:00

retain Medek and give up Raibareli. But

13:03

the people of the constituencies knew this.

13:06

So also with the Prime Minister, many

13:08

chose Vadodra and Varanasi in 2014. So

13:12

how will the people of Vai

13:14

Naad feel? And also remember there

13:16

is a north-south angle to this.

13:19

If you give up Vai Naad in the

13:21

south in preference for Raibareli in the north

13:23

at the time, when the

13:25

north-south issues are coming to the

13:27

fourth, the southern states are already

13:30

talking about tax terrorism. They are

13:32

already talking about delimitation in 2026,

13:35

lowering the number of their Lok

13:37

Sabha seats and the number of

13:39

Lok Sabha seats in the northern

13:41

states is likely to go up.

13:43

Rahul Gandhi, who has talked about

13:45

north-south issues and unity, giving up

13:47

southern Vai Naad for northern Vai

13:49

Vareli, to my mind may not

13:52

be such a happy thing. Now

13:54

if he gives up Raibareli and

13:56

retains Vai Naad, then people will

13:58

say, why did you do stand

14:00

for elections in the first place why

14:03

didn't you have somebody else now it

14:05

is said that Priyanka his sister might

14:07

stand for whichever the constituency he vacates

14:09

and gives up in the Bible that

14:12

follows now that may be like a

14:14

compensation and people may not feel so

14:16

happy but I would

14:18

think why not Priyanka she's 52 Rahul

14:21

is fighting his fifth election she

14:23

is connecting with people she is

14:26

into active politics for the last

14:28

five years why should she not

14:30

contest yeah there was so

14:32

much talk about her making her electoral debut

14:34

this time but she chose not to and

14:37

Rahul suppose he didn't want to contest

14:40

from Amethi that's fine but he could

14:42

have just contested in Mayanad and

14:44

left this is my view but

14:46

you're right she has been campaigning for the party

14:49

she has been taking on Narendra Modi but

14:51

some people point to the fact that in

14:54

the UP polls of 2022 she was the

14:56

face of the Congress campaign but they ended

14:58

up losing miserably and then there are others

15:00

who say that she does not have enough

15:03

ground experience is that something you agree

15:05

with well she's nurtured

15:07

the constituencies of her brother and mother

15:09

for a long time Ribery Lee and

15:11

Amethi and if you go by what

15:14

people the party is saying about her

15:16

campaigning and having seen her myself she

15:18

has a mass connect I mean her

15:20

one-liners that is replies to Narendra Modi

15:23

and going down very well with people

16:00

And remember

16:02

Priyanka in Rai Bureli she

16:04

wins that this time around.

16:21

It's true last time when she was leading

16:23

the party in Uttar Pradesh they did not

16:25

do well at all. The parties

16:28

are changing and to revive Uttar

16:30

Pradesh somewhere they have to take

16:32

the bull by the horn and they may

16:34

have to even risk defeat. I

16:36

mean you don't get when the party

16:38

is completely down and out organizationally. It's

16:41

decimated somewhere you have to start to

16:43

build it up and do it

16:45

determinedly. And I see some

16:47

live thing now happening. Congress

16:50

seems to be getting its act together. You

16:52

may agree with what they are doing or

16:55

disagree but there is certainly much more determination

16:59

that you see coming through. And

17:02

Eeraj talking about the opposition you recently

17:04

interviewed the NCP chief Sharat Pawar one

17:06

of the tallest leaders in the opposition

17:08

at the moment. And in

17:10

this interview he said that the regional parties

17:12

will move closer or in some

17:15

cases even merge with the Congress going

17:17

forward. And he even hinted that his

17:19

own party might consider doing that. Talk

17:21

about where he is coming from and how

17:23

significant is that statement. I

17:25

think that's a very significant futuristic statement

17:28

because he is talking in the next

17:30

couple of years or even

17:32

earlier. He is pointing towards

17:34

a bipolar politics now and

17:36

that regional parties are also

17:39

transiting into you know to

17:41

the next generation. Mullahum

17:43

Singh Yadav is given way to Anakilesh

17:45

Yadav the son, Lalu

17:47

Tuthejeshvi Yadav, YSR and

17:51

so on. If you look at all

17:53

the parties some of these parties have

17:55

socialist basis some of these parties

17:57

came out of the Congress. small

18:00

parties which are under attack

18:02

for dynasty and for corruption

18:04

and the BJP if it

18:06

comes back to power is

18:08

going to continue with it

18:10

on slot against these parties

18:12

as we've seen in recent

18:15

months also. So smaller parties

18:17

may want a bigger umbrella

18:19

under which they function together

18:21

to take on this mighty

18:24

BJP and that could

18:26

be you know will Jagan ready

18:28

he faces Chandrababu Naidu's TDP in

18:30

Andhra Pradesh, Chandrababu Naidu has tied

18:32

up with the BJP will he

18:34

now reach out to the Congress

18:37

will they co-collaborate with each other.

18:40

So will it lead to the

18:42

strengthening of this Congress larger

18:44

family it could be maja

18:46

certainly I got the impression

18:48

talking to Sharath Pawar that

18:50

merging his NCP within the

18:52

Congress if it is done

18:54

in an honorable way collectively

18:57

would be something that he's looking

18:59

at. So does it lead to

19:02

the creation of a more

19:05

federated Congress you

19:07

know which has relationship there may be people

19:10

come who come in and has a relationship

19:12

with others which are close and therefore

19:15

it cannot be the Congress of

19:17

yester years moving like a big

19:19

brother it has to be a

19:21

very different Congress which works together

19:23

with these regional parties and gives

19:25

them their due place also. Though

19:28

wouldn't you agree that it's hard to imagine

19:30

such a scenario with the Gandhi still at

19:32

the helm with the kind of influence the

19:34

Gandhi's continue to have. That

19:36

is the question mark but as

19:38

Sharath Pawar said in this interview to

19:40

me that he found Rahul Gandhi very

19:42

different the way he reached out to

19:45

the regional parties and he talked about

19:47

the meeting he had had he come

19:49

over and had a discussion with him

19:51

so he felt that a Rahul might

19:53

be able to do this that's why

19:55

I say the leadership of the Congress

19:57

and the kind of leadership the Congress

19:59

provides. in the new situation,

20:01

whether they shift here, whether they move

20:04

away from the past ways of doing

20:06

things, much will depend on all that

20:08

because certainly the regional parties will view

20:10

the Congress with wariness because at the

20:13

end of the day, they grew at

20:15

the expense of the Congress and if

20:17

Congress starts to grow, they'll fear that

20:19

it will be at their expense. So

20:22

how this will be synthesized remains to

20:24

be seen but the challenge posed by

20:27

the BJP is so humongous and they

20:29

realize that it is going to

20:31

affect their existence in the future that

20:33

they may consider coming together and I

20:36

think that is the upshot of what

20:38

Charath Povar was trying to say. And

20:45

next we talk about Delhi Chief Minister Arvind

20:47

K. Srivast, who has been lodged in Tehar

20:50

jail for the past 50 days as one

20:52

of the accused in the Delhi excise duty

20:54

case. Now today, the

20:56

Supreme Court is expected to hear K.

20:58

Jeevaal's bail plea but even

21:01

as this unfolds, it appears

21:03

that more trouble awaits the Chief Minister

21:05

and this is because earlier this

21:08

week, the Delhi Lieutenant Governor V.K.

21:10

Saxena recommended a probe by the

21:12

National Investigation Agency against him for

21:14

allegedly receiving political funding for his

21:17

party from the banned extremist organization

21:19

Seeks for Justice, an allegation that

21:21

the party has actually faced in

21:23

the past as well. To

21:25

know more about this recommendation and how the

21:28

party has responded to these allegations, Indian

21:30

Express's Jatin Anand joins us. So

21:33

Jatin tell us on what basis

21:35

has the Delhi LG, V.K. Saxena,

21:38

recommended an NIA probe against K.

21:40

Srivast? So this particular

21:42

case is based on a complaint

21:44

that Delhi LG, V.K. Saxena has

21:46

received from somebody claiming

21:48

to be part of an

21:50

organization called the World Hindu

21:52

Federation of India and the

21:54

allegation against K. Jeevaal is

21:56

that he as the head

21:58

of the Delhi LG, V.K.

22:01

Saxena of the Amadni party

22:03

has accepted funding for the

22:05

AAP from the banned slash

22:07

proscribed pro-Khalistani group Seeks for

22:09

Justice which is led by

22:11

Gurbatwan Singh Panu and who

22:13

has been declared a terrorist

22:15

by the government of India

22:17

and this allegation is related

22:19

to a trip that Mr.

22:21

Kejriwal had made in 2014

22:23

to New York where he

22:25

is alleged to have had

22:27

a closed door meeting with

22:29

Khalistani sympathizers and others who

22:32

were related to or somehow

22:34

connected with SFJ. And

22:36

Japind this complaint was filed by this man

22:38

named Ashu Mungia. He is

22:40

the National General Secretary of the organization

22:42

you mentioned the World Hindu Federation of

22:44

India and he actually made

22:47

this complaint after watching a

22:49

particular video by Gurbatwan Singh Panu.

22:52

Talk about what this video was. The

22:54

video in question reiterate several

22:56

allegations that Panu has made

22:58

against the Amadni party in

23:00

general and Arvind Kejriwal in

23:03

particular about receiving several tranches

23:05

of funds from pro-Khalistani groups

23:07

between the years 2014 and

23:09

2022. The genesis of the

23:11

transfer of

23:15

these funds according to the video

23:17

and according to these allegations lies

23:20

in a meeting that Kejriwal had

23:22

had with allegedly had with representatives

23:24

of such groups during a trip to New

23:26

York in the year 2014. According

23:29

to Panu he had started accepting different

23:31

tranches of these donations from these groups

23:34

which by 2022 total to 16 million

23:36

US dollars in separate

23:41

tranches and according to Panu according

23:43

to the allegations that he makes

23:45

in the video and he also

23:47

talks about that Kejriwal had not

23:49

only met representatives of such groups

23:51

in Punjab but also in the

23:53

US and has had links

23:55

with them through meetings that

23:57

representatives of the Amadni party

24:00

had with their representatives at

24:02

various locations abroad. Right

24:04

and like you said these allegations have been made in the

24:06

past as well. How has the

24:08

Ahmadine party reacted to them now?

24:11

The Ahmadine party has retaliated very aggressively

24:14

to these allegations by bringing to its

24:16

defense the fact that a similar allegation

24:18

had been made by a Charanjeet Singh

24:20

Sani who had been temporarily put in

24:23

charge of Punjab prior to the assembly

24:25

elections in 2022. He

24:27

had in fact written to Union Home

24:30

Minister Amit Shah alleging that the Ahmadine

24:32

party had links with pro Khalistani groups

24:34

and their sympathizers in India not only

24:36

in India but also abroad and it

24:38

is then that Mr. Shah

24:40

had assured Mr. Chani that

24:42

he will get these allegations looked into

24:44

but this particular instance but this particular

24:46

complaint it makes the same allegations but

24:49

the complainant is different. That

24:51

is also one of the defenses that

24:53

the Ahmadine party has put up which

24:55

is that they claim that the complainant

24:57

in this case this Mr. Ashu Mungia

24:59

who is the National General Secretary of

25:01

the World Hindu Federation that this person

25:03

is not only connected to the BJP

25:05

but it seemingly works for

25:07

as part of this organization seemingly works

25:09

for the family member of a very

25:12

senior Bharatiya Janata party leader and apart

25:14

from this they have also questioned on

25:16

the basis of what it has this

25:18

investigation been launched or will be launched

25:20

because we are talking about the

25:22

allegations of an alleged leader of a

25:24

terrorist organization a group SFJ which has

25:26

been prescribed by the government of India

25:28

so how is it and on the

25:30

basis of what logic is it that

25:32

the government of India is listening

25:35

to these allegations and is possibly

25:37

believing them to the extent that it is

25:40

in favor of investigating these alleged

25:42

links between the Ahmadine party and

25:44

pro Khalistani groups. And

25:46

Jatin this is yet another example of

25:48

tensions between the Delhi LG and the

25:50

Ahmadine party and we've seen these tensions

25:52

pretty much since the party came to

25:54

power in Delhi. In fact

25:56

the previous two LG's had quick post

25:59

but in what sense? would you say

26:01

tensions under the current LG, VK Saxena,

26:03

have been different compared to

26:05

those before him? So

26:08

while looking at this, while answering this,

26:10

one has to look at the fact

26:12

that Vinay Kumar Saxena is the first

26:15

non-bureaucrat Lieutenant Governor that Delhi has had.

26:17

If you look at his tenure since

26:19

May 2022, most of the

26:22

big vigilance related or corruption

26:25

related allegations which have been

26:27

investigated, which have reached their

26:29

point of fruition, they

26:31

could not have progressed to this point

26:33

where they would finally lead to almost

26:35

the entirety of the Ahmadinee party's senior

26:38

leadership being behind bars, including Mr. Kejriwal

26:40

himself. So this has to be said,

26:42

this has to be factored in while

26:44

talking about the relationship

26:46

between Rajnevash and the Delhi government

26:49

over the last two years. So

26:51

Mr. Saxena has not only been

26:54

the face of the

26:56

continuing tussle, but also

26:58

somewhat the settlement of

27:00

that tussle which had carried on continuously since

27:03

the Ahmadinee party came to power in 2015.

27:05

Matters which were

27:07

related to the administration of the

27:09

city, especially services, that is who

27:11

has control over the bureaucracy and

27:13

who has control over transfers, postings

27:15

and vigilance related matters. All of

27:17

those things were finally settled when

27:19

the center brought in an ordinance

27:22

which created the NCCSA, the National

27:24

Capital Civil Services Authority, which although

27:26

is chaired by the chief minister

27:28

as its chairperson, but it has

27:30

two bureaucrats who are picked by the center.

27:32

So over there, there is somewhat of an

27:34

imbalance when it comes to a quorum or

27:36

you know, who will have a majority in

27:38

that sense, because there are two bureaucrats who

27:41

are picked by the center. And then if

27:43

you look at it, actually and logically speaking,

27:45

there is only other chief minister of Delhi

27:47

who can represent himself. And even in this

27:49

situation, if there is something that the authority

27:51

cannot decide and there is no consensus, finally,

27:53

it is the LG who will have the

27:55

final say in this. So in that sense,

27:57

this particular association or this particular instance Of

27:59

the Party. Mr between the left and

28:01

and go into secretariat and elected ahmad

28:03

me by the government only elected government

28:06

in Delhi. Mrs. Accent as dame yours

28:08

is possibly has so far perhaps been

28:10

the only one of it's fine with

28:12

thousand of us has been able to

28:15

school and more or less so keep

28:17

the Delhi government on the backfoot. And

28:24

then the end we talk about

28:26

visiting was Governor See beyond a

28:28

boss who last week was accused

28:30

by a contractual employee of that.

28:32

I'd spoken of molesting both way,

28:34

dismissing the allegations has called it

28:36

a sinister plot recorded statement released

28:38

by that. I have an said

28:40

that the Governor was aware of

28:42

the allegations made against him by

28:44

a political force, but he would

28:46

not be deterred stolen his efforts

28:48

to expose corruption and co violence.

28:51

In. Fact: Yesterday the Governor sorts

28:53

cctv footage of the premises to

28:55

around seventy people. That are

28:58

of and release the seventy nine minutes

29:00

cctv footage from the second of mean

29:02

when the alleged incident took place. Now

29:04

the for disowned by that I'd have

29:06

authorities included to tidings some to cameras

29:08

in front of the not good in

29:10

which the woman can be seen. Do.

29:13

Exclusives the North that according to the

29:15

woman dubbing all Gov touched her in

29:17

the conference room and the cctv footage

29:20

is not so anything from inside that

29:22

I'd open. According to sources,

29:24

seventy five people going in that

29:26

district to watch the footage including

29:28

those from Kolkata who's behind and

29:30

Ali put the word. After.

29:33

The allegations of molestation impolite. Governor

29:35

Bush said the charges were engineered

29:37

additives and criticize been like Chief

29:39

Minister month of Energy and had

29:41

to with Congress. Both. Also

29:44

road with that I have an employee's

29:46

last Sunday asking them to ignored any

29:48

communications some the police on the matter.

29:50

He. Told them that known criminal proceedings

29:52

can be instituted against the governor

29:54

during his dome of office. you're

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