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1:56

See you next time. other

2:00

party members who actually point to

2:02

recent comments made by BJP leaders

2:04

like Jyoti Mirdha from Rajasthan. While

2:07

addressing a gathering, Mirdha was heard saying

2:09

that several tough decisions need to be

2:12

taken in the country's interest. And

2:14

for that, we have to make constitutional

2:16

amendments. But

2:19

yesterday, on Ambedkar Jainthi, PM Modi hit

2:21

out at the Congress in the state and said that

2:45

as far as the constitution is concerned,

2:48

even if Baba Sahib Ambedkar comes back

2:50

himself, he too cannot abolish

2:53

the constitution. He also

2:55

added that for the government,

2:57

our constitution is Gita, Ramayan,

2:59

Mahabharata, Ramayan,

3:30

Mahabharata, Ramayan, Mahabharata,

3:33

Ramayan, Mahabharata, Ramayan, Mahabharata, Now in the coming

3:35

days, we will be talking more about the

3:37

dominant political narratives, campaign strategies,

3:39

and everything you need to know about

3:41

the Lok Sabha polls. But

3:43

today, we are dedicating this entire episode

3:45

to talk about the Congress party, which

3:48

has been facing a crisis of confidence.

3:50

To some, this crisis finds echo in the

3:53

fact that the party has still not

3:55

announced its candidate from the Amati seat

3:57

in UP, which has been a bastion

3:59

of the government. to the Randhole party. To

4:01

tell us about the Congress's preparations and

4:03

campaign strategy, we are joined

4:05

by Indian Express's chief of national political

4:08

bureau, Manoj C.G. Manoj,

4:10

tell us with all the things the Congress

4:12

has been saying, the allegations it has been

4:14

making, tell us in what state does it

4:16

find itself before the polls. In

4:18

the run-up to the actual launch of

4:21

the campaign, we saw the Congress engaged

4:23

in a bitter war of words with

4:25

the government over what the Congress called

4:28

freezing of their bank accounts by the

4:30

income tax department and in fact unilateral

4:32

coercive action in the sense withdrawal of

4:34

over 100 crores from their bank accounts.

4:38

All our bank accounts have

4:40

been frozen. We

4:42

can do no campaign work. We

4:45

cannot support our workers. We

4:47

cannot support our candidates. Our

4:49

leaders cannot fly from one

4:52

part of the country to the other. Forget fly. They

4:55

can't take a railway train. And

4:57

this has been done literally

5:00

two months before the

5:03

election campaign. Why

5:05

has it been done? The Congress got

5:07

relief from the court, even the IT

5:09

department later told the court that it

5:11

will not indulge in any coercive action

5:13

till the completion of the elections. So

5:15

that chapter at least for the time

5:17

being is over. The other big issue

5:19

of course was that the arrest of

5:21

the Delhi Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal in

5:23

January, the arrest of Heyman Soorain who

5:25

is the Chief Minister of Jharkhand. So

5:27

that was an issue what the opposition

5:29

frames as misuse of investigating agencies be

5:31

it the ED or the CBI or

5:33

the IT, how the opposition feels that

5:35

the government is using these agencies

5:37

to target almost all parties of the

5:40

India block. So,

6:03

of course, Congress was part of that

6:05

larger attack on the government. So, these

6:07

are the two main charges that the

6:10

party was leveling in the run-up to

6:12

the full-fledged launch of the campaign. And

6:15

Manoj, when we talk about the party's preparations,

6:17

we kind of get a sense of that

6:20

from both Amethi and Raibareli. But

6:22

before we talk about its details, can you first

6:24

tell us what significance these two

6:26

seats have for the Congress party? Well,

6:29

Amethi and Raibareli, they have been kind

6:32

of bastions of the Nehru Gandhi family.

6:34

Even if we leave aside Indira Gandhi

6:36

or Rajiv Gandhi, let's talk about the

6:38

current leadership when Sonia Gandhi decided to

6:40

enter electoral politics. She contested for the

6:43

first time from Amethi way back in

6:45

1999 and then moved to Raibareli in

6:47

2004. That was

6:49

when Mr. Rahul Gandhi decided to enter electoral

6:51

politics. So he contested from Amethi. He has

6:54

been winning that seat till 2019. In

6:57

2019, we all know how he lost to Smriti

6:59

Rani of the BJP. Sonia Gandhi

7:01

on the other hand has been winning the seat.

7:04

She has never lost the seat so

7:06

far, but now she has opted to

7:08

move to Raji Sabha. So in both

7:10

these seats, there is this huge suspense

7:12

on whether the Gandhis would contest from

7:15

Amethi and Raibareli. Rahul Gandhi has already

7:17

fighting again from Vayanaar in Kerala. The

7:19

seat goes to polls on April 26.

7:22

The big question about Raibareli is whether

7:24

Pringa Gandhi Vadra would make her electoral

7:26

debut from that seat. The sense that

7:28

the local Congress, when I visited

7:30

both these constituencies, the sense that the local

7:32

Congress leaders gave was that they believe after

7:35

April 26, once polling in

7:37

Vayanaar is over, perhaps the Congress

7:39

would announce the candidates of both

7:41

Pringa Gandhi, Vadra and Rahul Gandhi

7:44

from these two seats. But it's

7:46

surprising given that, you know, then

7:48

in 2019, the Congress had announced

7:50

Rahul Gandhi's candidate chair from Amethi

7:52

first. Vayanaar was then, you know,

7:54

the surprise package. So the

7:56

indication that the Congress is giving is that he

7:59

doesn't want to. The that I mean it's

8:01

surprising since the Congress believes why are these

8:03

the relatively safe seat for our Gandhi that

8:05

runs listing the communist leaders? the locals. Honestly

8:07

this as that if if that is a

8:09

safe seat for out and it and why

8:11

should the party norton I notice candid to

8:13

from I'm A T right away. Yeah.

8:15

That is strange because I'm a T supposed

8:18

to be one of those seats that Congress

8:20

is the most confident about. Yeah.

8:22

Except for Twenty nineteen all the.bomb as it

8:24

is a ones that seat so it's surprising

8:26

so you know the local communist leaders also

8:29

that that is out it's finally decides to

8:31

contest from that seats and what what is

8:33

stopping the party But I'm announcing his candidates

8:35

earth only although that is still time to

8:37

process for you know finding of nomination and

8:40

or beans on April Twenty Six only That

8:42

is still time that the parties and has

8:44

announced candidates for seats which are going in

8:46

the last face you know in you pizzas

8:48

that as a slave what a messy yard

8:51

much as guns. There are many seats

8:53

which is going to last phase and

8:55

the buddies kennedy surrounding streets the so

8:57

that is a surprise element you know

8:59

as to why the communists is reluctant

9:02

to announce their candidates from one of

9:04

them most prestigious. Seats. Which still

9:06

twenty nineteen was one of the the safest

9:08

seats considered Bucket Burrow the best sins of

9:10

the Dundee families but did a student or

9:12

candid it so that also facing even the

9:14

local comedies It as a surprising there's no

9:16

clarity on the dead the Gandhi's would contest

9:19

at all other they're very confident that printed

9:21

on the whatever makes it a little the

9:23

be some guy billion dollars contest again from

9:25

a meaty but that is kind of her

9:27

a hope maybe a confidence but that is

9:29

annoying because of the High Command I asked

9:31

you know the local communist leaders including the

9:33

district residents above the. Had. the heard

9:36

from the high command have diverted to send

9:38

the leadership about the candidates is so the

9:40

answer was no this i hope this will

9:42

say that they will contest so in that

9:44

sense by the campaign of the bjp has

9:46

moved forward and i'm a tv soon and

9:48

minister mathias any visiting the constancy twice already

9:50

the communists is unaccountable in books in right

9:53

really both the be to be under congress

9:55

have not announced and is perhaps a bit

9:57

episodes of eating for the communist whether to

9:59

see the the Pringa Gandhi water is contesting

10:01

or not. And you

10:03

know this in a way shows the extent

10:05

to which things have changed for the Congress

10:07

talk about how the Congress's presence

10:09

there compares to that of the

10:11

BJP. You know the

10:14

last elections was assembly elections of 2022.

10:17

So you know of the 10 assembly

10:19

segments in both ribrilli and amiti the

10:21

Congress could not win even one seat

10:23

in the amiti Lok Sabha constituency out

10:25

of the five assembly segments three went

10:27

to the BJP and two to the

10:29

samajwadi party. Remember there was no alliance

10:31

between the Congress and the SP then

10:33

the Congress came third in all the

10:35

seats and in ribrilli barring one the

10:37

ribrilli city seat the S3 the samajwadi

10:39

party won all the other seats. So

10:41

the results of the last elections is

10:44

you know we if you go by

10:46

that then clearly the samajwadi party

10:48

seems to be in a much better position

10:50

there. But since the Congress and the SP

10:52

are now in an alliance and traditionally the

10:54

SP has refrained from you know contesting both

10:56

these families seats even when there was no

10:59

alliance. So this time of course there is

11:01

an alliance and the Congress's hope is that

11:03

you know with the help of the SP

11:05

which seems to have you know much better

11:08

organizational presence and support base in both these

11:10

seats the Congress believes you know they will

11:12

be able to retain ribrilli and regain amiti.

11:15

And you mentioned that last time it was Smiti Irani

11:17

who won from amiti. Now leading up

11:19

to the polls what are the kind of things

11:22

she's been highlighting in her campaign. So

11:24

Smiti Irani won the seat in 2019

11:26

and she has some you know achievements

11:29

to showcase in terms of a bypass

11:31

that she has built in terms of

11:33

couple of you know a coca-cola plant.

11:35

There are some achievements that that of

11:37

course the BJP would talk about the

11:39

Gandhis on the other hand they have

11:41

been representing those two seats for decades.

11:43

Be it the Rajiv Gandhi, Udan Academy

11:45

or be it the huge hospital they

11:47

had built. So you know in terms

11:49

of achievements you cannot compare five year

11:51

term with that of years of you

11:54

know representing that seat by the other party. But

11:56

of course both the sides have achievements

11:58

to showcase the The question is, it's

12:01

not just about what the Congress has got

12:03

for a rivalry or a meti or what

12:05

the BJP has got for a rivalry or

12:07

a meti. It's a larger equation at play,

12:09

I think in Uttar Pradesh where these seats

12:11

may go by the larger voting

12:13

pattern. The Congress of course believes

12:16

that these two seats will bug

12:18

the trend even if the UP votes

12:20

in one particular fashion. So the

12:22

presence of the Gandhi's would become very

12:24

clear once the candidates are announced and

12:26

once they hit the campaign trail. Nrithi

12:28

Rani, she has built a house in

12:30

the meti. She held a house

12:32

warming ceremony in February. She has moved into that

12:34

house. She has become an author of a meti.

12:58

So now there is a new equation there. Now

13:03

the BJP claims that she is a

13:05

local, she resides in a meti, she

13:07

is a voter of a meti. Whereas

13:09

Rahul Gandhi is now the outsider, contesting

13:11

from Vayanaad and residing

13:14

in Delhi. So there is a new

13:16

challenge at hand for the Congress where

13:18

a seat represented by Rahul Gandhi for

13:20

three consecutive terms. Every time he visits

13:22

a meti, he has this standard

13:24

line saying a meti is his family or

13:26

a rivalry is family. The people are part

13:29

of the Congress family, the Nehru Gandhi family.

13:31

So now there is a new challenge for

13:33

Rahul Gandhi to reconnect with the people in

13:35

the face of this, the MP moving in

13:38

there, becoming a voter. So that's kind of

13:40

a new situation which Rahul would face if

13:42

at all he decides to contest. So

13:45

on one hand you have someone who has

13:47

moved in there while on the other you

13:49

have someone who has barely visited the place

13:51

since the last polls. Yeah, he

13:53

has visited a meti only four

13:55

times since 2019 after

13:57

he was defeated and twice he during

14:01

the assembly election of 2022 for

14:03

campaigning, addressing a rally and going

14:05

back. And the reason we

14:07

said was when the Bharajodho Yatra passed through

14:09

Amitayana Ribrilli. So then again, it was not

14:11

an extended visit, the Yatra passed through. So

14:14

that is clearly one issue which people there

14:16

talk about. They say whosoever is the

14:18

MP, even if that person, you know, doesn't

14:21

bring that kind of development, which they

14:23

expect, at least the MP should be there

14:25

for them to, you know, meet or

14:27

once in a while the MP should be

14:29

visiting the constituency. So the general refrain is

14:31

that that era is over when you file

14:34

the nomination paper, wave at people and then

14:36

leave and then return once again, you know,

14:38

just address a couple of rallies and then

14:40

leave. So that clearly was the sense, you

14:42

know, that era is over. And

14:45

in that sense, this is a common complaint that

14:47

people have about the party, right, that it's not

14:49

connected to people on the ground, especially when we

14:51

compare it to the BJP. Was

14:53

Rahul's Bharajodho Yatra supposed to compensate for

14:55

that in a way? Yeah, one

14:58

idea was, you know, to address this concern

15:00

that Rahul is aloof. He only visits state

15:02

when there are elections, you know, he doesn't

15:05

meet people, he spends most

15:07

of the time in Delhi. So that

15:09

was one of the ideas that, you

15:11

know, he will walk from Paniakumari to

15:13

Kashmir that Bharajodho Yatra, the first Yatra,

15:15

where he can interact with people, people

15:18

can, you know, tell him their grievances

15:20

or their aspirations. So the whole idea

15:22

of this senior Congress leader, a member

15:24

of the Nehru Gandhi family, a Kvama

15:26

Congress president, walking the street, meeting

15:28

with people, clicking photographs, or you

15:30

know, shaking hands, talking to them,

15:33

interacting with, you know, select groups

15:35

during the Yatra. So that was this

15:37

whole idea where you present the leader

15:39

as a person who is going to,

15:42

you know, their doorstep to stay, to

15:44

hear out the people. And

15:55

The second Yatra, of course, due to positive

15:58

time was the hybrid Yatra where he. Them

16:00

and by bus and even then he

16:02

got out. But one complaint I heard

16:04

from mean I'm a T was that

16:06

he did not stop at many places

16:08

with Congress leaders had organized you know

16:10

these welcome it stops. Who is Dick

16:12

garland him than welcome him but the

16:14

bus didn't stop at many places which

16:16

as they expected to said again was

16:18

one. Complaints were hood animated so the

16:20

whole idea was about the other as

16:22

the was talking was a rebrand. Now

16:24

who's as a leader who is willing

16:26

to listen to the people, who is

16:28

willing to interact with the people and

16:30

who is ready You know there was

16:32

once it was who often said that

16:34

he's elected politicians of in a shadow

16:36

of that fact that he's no more

16:38

reluctant he he's twenty four seven politician.

16:42

Rounds. Out the up get him out may minimize the Us.

16:46

Or. Hey. My

16:48

name is. Gail.

16:53

Yeah. Just

16:56

just because they feel. For.

16:58

Out on the name. Was.

17:00

Politically. Correct.

17:03

One of the main functions of the original

17:05

Yatra was story Black Buffalo Dandy but. Could.

17:07

You talk about the extent to which the party

17:10

was able to capitalize on the yacht that are.

17:12

In individual states. In.

17:15

Windows of for love to build that

17:17

organizational structures. I think the party has

17:19

not made much progress. Death to the

17:21

zebra. Remember the first Yatra endured in

17:23

January February of Two Hundred Twenty Two

17:25

And immediately after that the focus of

17:28

the party was assembly the since in

17:30

Connecticut which the Party one and a

17:32

major part of the Thirty two of

17:34

them do unto Rahul and He's yeah,

17:36

thrive it has passed through Connecticut. Sakara.

17:39

Thought he has got a something victory

17:41

and the cat not fair elections winning

17:43

and one hundred and thirty five out

17:45

of two hundred and twenty four seats

17:47

getting a clear majority. Studies if he

17:49

has lost the only south Indian state

17:52

that it's worth. So the forties rolling

17:54

as a center has been wiped out

17:56

completely some the whole assaulting the Us.

17:58

The Bjp. Anybody the after that was. The

18:00

formation of the India block, the couple of

18:02

meetings that won't happen back to back

18:04

from in a partner Bangalore, Mumbai and then

18:06

the comedies went straight into the next

18:08

and of assembly elections. In added to these

18:11

are distance of these good So organizationally

18:13

there was not much for up in that

18:15

sense it was minimal. Then after the

18:17

big said back in the the police are

18:19

descendants of his go after that a

18:21

some religions haven't lost. Although the three states

18:24

the party went into a face of

18:26

dormancy without much activities. and then of course

18:28

the patricians began to the looks. Of I

18:30

like since organisation leaders in much follow after

18:32

the first yeah thrown at the second other.

18:34

I just ended in February and March and

18:37

do in the middle of the campaign so

18:39

organizationally nothing much was done to capitalize if

18:41

it all. the Congress believes that the opera

18:43

of was a popular initiative. And

18:46

minutes. The other places that the Congress

18:48

has been facing is it Sparky Booker's

18:50

Jumping Ship. Enjoy the Bjp. We've.

18:52

Seen that happen in a number of states,

18:54

most prominently in Madhya Pradesh, but thousand have

18:56

left to join to be to be. So.

18:59

How but it is the party about

19:01

that. As. Was a com

19:03

as is concerned abiding a couple of

19:05

leaders. They believe none of the leaders

19:08

will switch sides recently has any in

19:10

of ground support or they were not

19:12

organizationally big enough leaders to in or

19:14

data lots uncles or do you have

19:17

causes organisation with them so bad they

19:19

were worried about international to on in

19:21

reliving the body molester or couple of

19:23

years like that. But of course the

19:26

Congress accept that the string of excess

19:28

base the leaders that the Anvil states

19:30

is a blow is a setback in.

19:32

Terms of of Dixie sensical, the political

19:34

message that.the blood jumping a sinking ship

19:37

so that damage of course. The cons

19:39

for the understand but organisers li they

19:41

don't believe they stand to lose be

19:43

the kind of leaders who have switched

19:45

sides. but having said that I can

19:47

censor change in the party's mood. maybe

19:49

the perhaps in the last fortnight was

19:52

it began the campaign for this elections

19:54

in a slightly and despondent mood. but

19:56

now the seems to be some sense

19:58

of hope in Hindi even. North

20:00

Indian states available. He was really hopeful of

20:02

it's it's performance and get a lot Connecticut

20:05

to some extent the London or to a

20:07

large extent and with the help of Dmk

20:09

Domino to those little hope month ago when

20:11

you speak to com listed as it was

20:13

not much hope in terms of the party

20:16

staging a comeback in the in the heartland

20:18

the North Indian States. but somehow there is

20:20

a sense the party know is that sits

20:22

not that bad. Incremental gains can be made

20:25

in some of the states into I just

20:27

on including was robbed Maresca in be hard

20:29

so theories sense. Of hope. And

20:31

vet is that hopefully some is it

20:33

coming from what it's showing some people

20:36

underground or out the alliance's have booked.

20:39

As those islands is concerned the party

20:41

had to you know given to most

20:43

of their lives even the choice of

20:45

seats. maybe they must have got the

20:47

number of the they wanted the in

20:49

behind in my roster even in Delhi

20:51

with the police didn't get the seats

20:53

that they wanted. Better part the sense

20:55

of hope it's has just telling you

20:57

is coming not some or Lancet. Percy

20:59

the Congress believes that all is not

21:01

well in the Bjp in some of

21:03

the regions of the states including those

21:05

are just as much as.be hard to

21:07

they believe of course does. It all

21:09

claims made during elections I as have

21:11

left who you know take into the

21:14

pinch of salt but didn't live. There

21:16

is some sort of tension in some

21:18

of the seats in many of the

21:20

heartland states to the hope is coming

21:22

from the report said they getting from

21:24

their internal feedback mckenzie most from what

21:26

is being reported in the media in

21:28

the mainstream media and the social media

21:30

about how in some of the seats

21:32

the Bjp is facing some kind of

21:34

internal tensions internal sued over the joys

21:36

of the candidates that denied the gets.

21:39

to almost hundred sitting in be so

21:41

forth so this perhaps is translating into

21:43

some sort of hope for the party

21:45

this is the manifesto the congress has

21:47

reached the ground but as exited i'm

21:49

a damn right really to death the

21:51

vip seats of the congress or to

21:53

see it but when you talk to

21:55

people they have no inkling about the

21:57

promises that the Congress has been making.

21:59

So that is one big challenge that

22:01

the Congress has, you know, drawing up

22:03

a manifesto coming out with it is

22:05

easy, but to you know, taking it

22:07

to the ground is another big challenge

22:09

that the Congress is facing. And

22:12

Manoj, when talking about the Congress

22:14

manifesto, it is making a lot

22:16

of promises from lifting the 50%

22:19

cap on quota for SCs, STs

22:21

and OBCs and adding reservation in

22:23

private educational institutions. It

22:25

promises a legal guarantee on MSP

22:28

and cash transfers for women. So

22:53

Manoj, what can we tell about what Congress is

22:55

thinking based on

22:57

these promises, based on

23:15

what it's saying in its manifesto? Of

23:17

course, they have kept some of the contentious

23:20

issues of the table, be it the promise

23:22

that you know, restoring the old pension scheme,

23:24

which they had made in the recent assembly

23:26

elections. There are many contentious issues that you

23:29

know, if you go back to the 2019

23:32

manifesto of the Congress, if you remember, they

23:34

had made a promise to dilute of the

23:36

Armed Forces Special Powers Act about, you know,

23:38

scrapping the sedition law. So the 2019 Lok

23:41

Sabha election happened

23:43

in a very nationalistically charged atmosphere

23:45

after the Pulwama attack and the

23:47

Balakot Response.: So Then it was felt

23:49

that those kinds of promises were completely

23:52

misplaced. So This time, the Congress has

23:54

been more pragmatic, keeping most of the

23:56

contentious issues out of the manifesto and

23:58

focusing more on the. The

24:00

welfare promises that they're making them many

24:02

of which you listed are just enough.

24:04

So in that sense of always Blues,

24:07

it's a positive. Manifesto was one charge

24:09

that the Congress is often face. Do

24:11

that they're unable to, you know v

24:13

the narrative. tell a story to a

24:15

water as I showed her water in

24:17

Twenty Twenty Four would work for the

24:19

Congress against the Bjp which has been

24:21

in power for ten years. A stable

24:23

government in that sense. So that story

24:25

which the gong as is often freeze

24:27

decide that they don't have a compelling

24:29

narrative. And a compelling story. So with this

24:32

manifesto the communists seems to have are just

24:34

some of those aspects. This as a mod

24:36

with a set of alternative promises. The third

24:38

call it a completely new mission for an

24:40

alternative vision, but there are some songs as

24:43

which they can talk about so this will

24:45

form the talking points of the campaign. you

24:47

know instead of waiting a completely negative campaign

24:49

against visit them for hims and and them

24:51

with is so it's a conscious attempt to

24:54

bring in a bit of you know positive

24:56

aspect to the camping. But minutes

24:58

does the party get a sense of those who will

25:00

be voting for the congress. Will. Essentially be

25:03

voting against the Bjp is that what

25:05

they think will work and disabled. So.

25:08

To the company's wanted to you know

25:10

visa for cities as well as a

25:12

negative campaign. So the first phase of

25:14

the campaign was slightly of next to

25:16

one with the party's he says elses

25:18

it was about you know finding fault

25:20

with the busy fees on months policies

25:22

attacking the Bjp government and the second

25:24

phase is largely which the party goers

25:26

a positive campaign for his who happened

25:28

to listen to some radio did something

25:30

called a game I see no you

25:32

Congress so that's a sport advertisement than

25:34

com as as come out with with

25:36

the dipping into history I'm telling. you the

25:38

congress quote unquote contribution and achievements the last

25:40

fifty sixty years when they were in power

25:43

so the second phase is largely the positive

25:45

campaign where the party's trying to a does

25:47

that criticism that it is unable to you

25:49

know viva narrative most of the times and

25:51

both in twenty nineteen one of the major

25:53

criticism was as the com is this campaign

25:55

was all are against the bjp with the

25:57

main issue was of that a file going

25:59

to the Chokhizar Chor Hai and of

26:01

course the Manifesto Promise of Niai. So these

26:04

were the two pillars of the Congress campaign

26:06

then. But it was seen as a more

26:08

negative campaign than a positive one. So this

26:10

time the party is trying to address that

26:12

where they hope that they will be able

26:14

to spin a narrative, they will be able

26:16

to project a narrative. But it's of course

26:18

we will have to see how the campaign

26:20

takes shape and of course we will have

26:22

to see the results, the outcome to say

26:24

whether it was effective, whether it was credible

26:26

or not. But the party believes its campaign

26:28

would be oriented more towards projecting a

26:31

vision. That's

26:57

all for today.