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previously on The Bag Game.
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They wanted Billy to go to an Adidas school, to
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an Adidas-branded school. The first
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question that comes up is, where do you get
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the charger from? The black market economy
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of paying players under the table exists
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because of the NCAA's amateurism
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rules.
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In 2019, I went
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with my reporting partner, Mark
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Schlebaugh, to Orlando, Florida.
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We were there to meet a guy named Brad
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Augustine. So
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what is your normal work week like
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now? Oh, gosh. Mostly it's
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in the car. I've got a handful
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of accounts, so... And they're spread
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out, so Tampa, Central Florida... These
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days, he works in his father-in-law's
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flooring business. Porcelain tile.
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We do do a little bit of wood. The only thing we really don't
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deal with is carpet.
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Augustine worked his way up in the
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world of commercial flooring, from forklift
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driver to sales rep over two years.
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But it was a career change
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for him. And that led
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to some awkward
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conversations. It was nerve-wracking
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the first couple of times when people asked me, well, how did
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you end up in this industry? Like, how are you here?
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And it's never something I hid. It's always something
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I was honest about.
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He'd tell them the story about
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how his old life in basketball
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came to an end. But, you know, telling
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that story for the first time, you're sweating,
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like, oh, my gosh, these people are going
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to look at me like I'm the worst human being on the planet.
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And that was why I was
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there, to have him tell
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me that story. Hi. We
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arrived at his spacious home
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in a gated community in the Orlando suburbs.
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His wife, Alexa, greeted us, along
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with their newborn daughter and her big
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sister, a toddler who ran
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across a playroom of dolls and toys
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toward the front door. You are silly. Yeah.
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In his previous life, Augustine
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was the program director of one
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of Florida's premier youth basketball
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programs. Teams like his
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aren't funded through public schools
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or rec centers. They're
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private operations. And
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Augustine went into debt to
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support the team. I
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was $50,000 in debt with not one penny
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in savings. Nothing. Augustine
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tried getting money from every
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source he could think of, but he was
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struggling to keep his head above water. In
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September 2017, he
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got a
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call from Christian Dawkins,
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a rising sports business manager
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and aspiring financial advisor.
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Dawkins had connections
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at Adidas, and he
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had helped Augustine raise money in the past.
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He told me, listen, you need to come to New York
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and you need to meet my investor, is what he called
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her, and it was Jill. According
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to Dawkins, Jill Bailey
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was a tech entrepreneur with money
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to burn who wanted to get into
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the sports business.
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Dawkins wanted her to meet Augustine.
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To prove to her, he had connections
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to up and coming athletes.
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If Augustine talked the talk in front of
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Bailey, Dawkins promised
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to pull strings at Adidas to get money
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for Augustine's team. So I
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told my wife, I said, I'm leaving, I'm going to the airport. Augustine
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got to New York and checked into his
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hotel that night. I'm in an early
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riser, I always have been, I'm up around five o'clock.
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So I'm up in the hotel room about five,
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five thirty, and
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I get a weird phone call. And
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like, who's this? And the person on the other
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end of the phone says, this
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is so and so with the FBI. We
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know you're in New York City. You need to turn yourself
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in. Now, at this
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point, I'm not even thinking twice. I literally,
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I've got the funniest friends, so they prank call me all
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the time. Unphased,
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Augustine made his way to the W
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Hotel in Times Square, where the
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meeting with Dawkins and the tech
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entrepreneur Jill Bailey was
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supposed to happen. So
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I get to the W at 7.30. We're supposed to meet at 8. So
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I'm there at 7.30. I got the laptop fired up and
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making phone calls. I'm just, I'm reading the news. 7.45.
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I'm calling Christian. Nothing's happening. Eight
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o'clock. Nothing. So
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now it's nine o'clock and now I'm pissed, right? I flew up here
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for this meeting. This guy's not even calling me
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back. He's totally ghosting me.
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Augustine decided he'd waited
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long enough and left the hotel.
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And I'm standing right in the middle of
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Times Square, just circles
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of people around me, and the
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lights are all lit up, and all
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of a sudden my phone just starts pinging.
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Notification after notification after notification.
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So I swipe the first notification I see, and
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it opens up a tweet and it says, United
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States of America vs. Jonathan Bradley Augustine.
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Augustine had just been criminally
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charged by the U.S. Department
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of Justice, and he found
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out about it through a tweet.
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I had to have sat there for two minutes just
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staring at my phone. I didn't move. I don't know if I took
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a breath. I was so confused.
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And then I think somebody bumped into me, and
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I just snapped out of it. And
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I started scrolling, and I see four
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felony counts. And
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so in that moment, before I did anything, I
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called my wife and said, Hey, babe, I
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have no idea what's going on right now, but
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I'm pretty sure I'm going to get arrested today.
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Brad Augustine
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didn't know the full story yet,
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but he had been implicated
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in one of college basketball's most
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dramatic pay-for-play scandals.
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The same one that ensnared
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Billy Preston.
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assistant coaches. Charged
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in a bribery speed... This marked the end of Augustine's
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career and would lead to him being called the most
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dangerous man in college basketball.
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From ESPN and 30 for 30
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podcasts, I'm Paula Levine
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and this is The Bag Game. Episode 3,
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The Sting.
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In the first two episodes, we focused
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on Billy Preston, a basketball
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player benched at the University of Kansas
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after his car accident got the attention
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of the NCAA. Billy
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left Kansas to play in Bosnia
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and we'll return to him later. But
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right now, let's shift the focus
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to Brad Augustine because
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Augustine's story takes us inside
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the big money world of youth basketball.
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If you pull the thread on
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pay-to-play schemes, you'll
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often find youth teams at
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the source.
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Long before he was in the sights
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of the Justice Department, Brad
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Augustine grew up in Orlando and
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went on to play basketball in college.
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At Southeastern University, had
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an opportunity then to go overseas,
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only played about a half a season, wasn't
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for me.
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But Augustine wasn't ready to give up
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on basketball, so he returned to
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Florida and became a trainer. I
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had a really good name in the state of Florida,
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training. I mean, I would argue at one point
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that I was the premier guy to go to
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if you were an elite player, you were going to search me out
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for training.
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In 2012, one of the
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players Augustine had trained went
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pro, and he offered
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Augustine money to start a youth basketball
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team. That was the beginning
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of what was then called Showtime Hoops.
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We were known for just being the hardest working, toughest
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group. The team was part
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of the Amateur Athletic Union, or AAU,
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same as TJ Gasnola's team, the
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New England Players.
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As Showtime
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Hoops established itself,
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Augustine spent more and more of his time
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figuring out
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how to pay for the program. As
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I quickly realized, boy, it
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costs a lot of money to do AAU
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right.
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That's because AAU
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teams travel to tournaments all
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around the country. You're traveling on
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a minimum of 30 kids, a coach
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or two coaches, so you're renting
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15-passenger vans, you're getting
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hotels. These kids aren't getting sent
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with any money, so you're at McDonald's,
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or at Wendy's, or you're at Waffle House, where you can get the biggest
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bang for your buck or your order and pizza. And
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man, it's a lot to balance.
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These were 15 to 17-year-old kids. They
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eat a lot. Some
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of the players' families helped to pay for the team's
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costs, but most weren't able
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to. Augustine had
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money from his backer in the NBA, but
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he was also taking on tens of
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thousands of dollars in personal credit
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card debt.
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His wife, Alexa, felt the
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impact. I
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was enough removed to see
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the destruction that could come from the irresponsibility
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with our finances. I think
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Brad was a little too
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entrenched in it, and he's
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a visionary, and he's a kapathful
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person.
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Alexa was herself a former college
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player at Florida State. She'd
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considered her own pro career over $7 million.
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overseas, but she stayed in Florida
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and ended up working in an athletic program
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at a local high school.
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I kind of felt like a single mom for a lot of
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time. I was working a full-time
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job. Most nights
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he wasn't there. He was either traveling or
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driving, helping pick up a player, drop
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a player off, take him to get
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books for school, whatever
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that entailed.
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Augustine knew the only
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way to keep Showtime hoops going was
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to get sponsored by one of the apparel
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companies and play in their
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circuit.
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And with that, that's shoes,
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that's apparel, that's travel,
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that's all of the bells and whistles
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that come with being a part of Nike or Adidas
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or Under Armour. That's
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Myron Medcalf, who covers college
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basketball and recruiting for ESPN.
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I've been to events where you
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look on the sideline and
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there are five boxes of shoes per kid
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because these companies just given them that. The
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kid flew first class
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maybe to get there. For the companies,
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it's an investment.
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Some of these kids are going to go pro and
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brands want to establish
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a relationship. At the top,
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in terms of those deals, are the shoe
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companies hoping that they'll land the next
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LeBron. So they're fueling, putting
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a lot of money into making
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sure these tournaments are top notch and they are.
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To get your program on one of the
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top flight circuits, you need
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to have the kind of talent that attracts
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national attention. Augustine
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had a promising young guard
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named Nasir
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Little. It was getting out to Nasir Little and he
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continues to impress as he... Unbelievable
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family, unbelievable young man. He was our
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motor. Take the bump, the contact. He's
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got a grown man body already. He's already
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prepared for college basketball physically.
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Today Little plays in the NBA
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for the Trailblazers. At the
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time, he was Showtime Hoops' star.
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Augustine made a connection with a
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rep from Under Armour, and
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his pitch was simple.
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Give us a shot. I
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don't want any money. I don't want anything. Just give us an
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opportunity. Give us an opportunity.
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Let us get on the circuit.
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In 2016, Augustine's
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team competed on the Under Armour circuit.
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We lost every single game
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on the Under Armour circuit. And you want to talk
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about showing up to
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a tournament and having these guys look at you like, you
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sold me a bag of goods. You guys are terrible.
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And now not only that, now we're not traveling to Georgia.
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I'm having now to buy flights, right?
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So now I'm flying a whole team
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to Indianapolis, to New York. You
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ever tried to rent two 15 passenger vans in New York City?
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You know how expensive that is? So we're
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just scraping by. And at the end of
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that season, I just remember, I
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felt so defeated because, I mean,
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we had failed on the biggest stage. It
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was at this moment when things
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were particularly bleak that
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Augustine made a friend.
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I ended up getting connected to a guy who
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I was told just had the juice.
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And somebody got me a meeting and said, meet this guy. If
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you think your program's that good, sell
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this guy, and you may figure
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it out. And that was Christian Dawkins.
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What was your first impression of Christian? Very
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bright, very direct,
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very intelligent, understood the landscape,
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was clearly knowledgeable, was clearly tied
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in, clearly had influence, no
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BS.
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To understand Christian
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Dawkins is to understand the
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complex way that under the table
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money works its way into the system. Here's
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Dawkins talking in an interview on YouTube
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about how he got started
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in the business. Once
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you're around town, see people who
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are... worth money to entities and
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businesses. I mean, people figured
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out that I could be, you know, beneficial to their businesses
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and it kind of blossomed from there. Dawkins
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had been working as what's known as
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a runner for a prominent agent
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who paid him to recruit young basketball
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players with pro potential.
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But around the time of his meeting with Augustine,
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Dawkins had a new plan.
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He wanted to start his own financial
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advisor business. He would steer
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kids to particular schools and
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then take the athletes on as paying
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clients once they turned pro. Here's
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Myron Medcalf again.
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Christian Dawkins represented himself as someone
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who could help teams get players, someone
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who could make moves, someone who could be a go-between
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to the top talent in America and the
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top programs
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in America. Those sorts
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of claims are often exaggerated.
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Dawkins needed connections like
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Augustine to deliver.
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You better believe about 25% of
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what you hear on the
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ALU circuit because the other 75% is
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probably BS. And if you're Christian
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Dawkins, you're trying to figure out, yeah, I
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want to build these relationships, but I'm
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also trying to move up the food chain too. And
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I'm not moving up the food chain without somehow
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being a power player in
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this business that people can turn to when
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they want to land top prospects.
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Understanding the payoff for
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people like Dawkins is key
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to understanding the bag
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game. Sometimes
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go-betweens like Dawkins would get
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a fee for recruiting a player for an agent
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or a shoe company.
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But that's not
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a sustaining income. So
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what's in it for them in the long
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run? According to Matt
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Babcock, the former agent
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we met last episode, it
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comes down to what's known as a point.
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or a percentage
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of an athlete's pro contract. The
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terminology being that they want a point, which
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means they want 1% of your agent fees. That's
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a very common sort of standard
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request from AU coaches,
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handlers, even parents. And I
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think the guys that have probably done this the most
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successfully are the guys that have long
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lasting relationships with schools, agents,
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or shoe companies, that they do take those
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deals and they write it out the long term.
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So where is that actually written down? Is
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that in writing anywhere? Probably
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not. I
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think a lot of those are just sort of wink, wink type
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deals.
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So how often do the players
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even know this is happening? I'd
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say in most cases they don't know. So
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that's the long term strategy for people
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like Dawkins. He
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positioned himself as someone who could deliver
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top players to agents, apparel
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companies, and colleges.
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Augustine and Dawkins frequently
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talked about where Showtime Hoops players
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wanted to go to school. See, AAU
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coaches have a lot of influence
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on their players' college decisions.
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College
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coaches can't just talk
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to high school players whenever and
17:16
however they want. The NCAA
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controls that. So the
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AAU coach is the go-between.
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20 plus years ago, if you
17:26
wanted to go and get a top player in
17:28
America, you went to his high school coach. That's
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not the case anymore. I mean, you're going to the AAU
17:33
coach, nine times out of 10. So
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they're, I mean, they're powerful. If
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Coach K wants players, he's gotta call
17:40
you. Bill Self has to call you.
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Augustine helped Dawkins
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by steering his program's top
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players toward colleges that wore
17:51
Adidas, like the University
17:53
of Miami.
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I was looking at it like,
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okay, if the kid's kinda leaning
17:57
toward Miami, well, we need Adidas to step
17:59
up.
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up, right? If we're
18:02
going to help the brand, which a five-star
18:04
kid going to one of your premier schools helps the brand,
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if he's going to help the brand, I'm going to Christian. I'm saying,
18:08
man, like, what's up? Like, we need to be taken care
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of.
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Augustine had influence over
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where his players decided to go to college.
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And if it worked out, he was
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hoping to get points on their eventual
18:22
contracts.
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For me, it was a long term
18:24
play of, OK, this year is going to be our first
18:26
pro, right? That's going to change the game
18:29
for our program, like, because this kid's going to end up
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signing a shoe contract one day and
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we're going to write it into his rider that our program
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is taken care of through the shoe company.
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As their relationship grew,
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Dawkins introduced Augustine
18:42
to people at Adidas. So
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just like he had with Under Armour,
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Augustine asked for a shot for
18:50
Showtime hoops to prove
18:51
itself, this time
18:54
on Adidas's gauntlet circuit.
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Just let us play on the circuit and give us product,
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give us jersey, shoes, bags and
19:01
backpacks. I don't want anything else. And
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let me prove myself. And they agreed
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to it.
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Augustine seized an opportunity
19:10
to attend an Adidas directors
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meeting in Las Vegas early in
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2017. That's where shoe
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company executives and AAU
19:19
program directors would meet
19:22
and talk about the year ahead. And
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it's where Augustine saw how the big
19:26
apparel companies
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saw things. You weren't sitting in that
19:30
room if you didn't have a player
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that there's an outside fringe
19:34
possibility that at some point they were
19:36
going to be a professional basketball player. And
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let's be honest, like, if we're
19:41
approaching it from a capitalism standpoint, it's brilliant.
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How did the shoe company reps communicate that
19:47
to you? Were they were they subtle
19:49
about it or how did they deliver that? I mean, it was it
19:51
was pretty direct. I mean, guys, like, we're
19:53
here for pros. That's
19:56
what we're here for. If you don't deliver,
19:59
you're done. They won't be in this room next year.
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And again, there was nothing, there was no naivete
20:04
about it. Like that's what shoe company
20:06
basketball is. It's not, Nike's
20:08
not funding a team here in Orlando because they send
20:10
kids to college. They don't care. They've
20:13
got four or five kids on their team that could be NBA players at
20:15
some point. That's the model of
20:17
their business.
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Augustine thought this time he did
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have a guy, Nasir Little, and
20:24
a strong program. And he
20:26
needed Adidas' money because he
20:28
was burning through his
20:29
own. So I would say I probably walked
20:32
out of that Under
20:34
Armour year, $15,000, $20,000 in credit card
20:38
debt. My check came in and
20:41
it had to go to the house and it had to go to the bills
20:43
and literally whatever was left over went
20:46
back into the program.
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Augustine was sinking
20:48
deeper into debt, but he
20:51
didn't see any alternative. When
20:53
you've got 30 young men that are looking at you,
20:55
it wasn't just like, oh, this is going to be embarrassing
20:57
for me if I don't pull this off. These
21:00
kids and these families and these coaches
21:02
are depending on me to come
21:05
through. So now to be in that position,
21:07
I mean, I was
21:10
terrified. Augustine
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got the team through most of the season, but
21:15
with one tournament left in
21:18
Las Vegas, he was all
21:20
out of cash.
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Augustine put all his hope
21:25
in Christian Dawkins. Christian
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had been telling me he was going to get me some money for about
21:30
a month, month and a half, and I hadn't got it. But
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he told me he was going to get it to me in Las Vegas.
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And so I said, I
21:36
need you to be positive about that because
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I'm going to fly my team out there and I'm
21:40
not buying, I can't afford round trip. So
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I'm going to buy one ways. Once there,
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he got a call from Dawkins, inviting
21:48
him to a meeting with an investor at
21:50
the Cosmopolitan Hotel.
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He calls me and said, hey, we're going to go meet this
21:53
guy. He's got the money for you.
21:58
So I remember taking... the elevator
22:01
up to the highest floor you could go on the elevator
22:04
stepping off and there's another private
22:06
elevator we get on that elevator
22:09
and we go up to the top floor of the Cosmo
22:11
and I remember stepping off and it was like
22:15
something out of like an Ocean's Eleven movie right
22:17
like the hallways like we're like velvet walls
22:19
I'm like this is insane and
22:22
so we knock on the door the door opens and
22:24
I mean it was like open
22:27
doors out to the Vegas skyline
22:29
like
22:29
expansive balcony inside
22:33
the room Dawkins introduced
22:35
Augustine to a couple of guys
22:38
there was just some young dude in there
22:41
with his like shirt unbuttoned down his navel
22:44
and like spiky hair and that was supposedly
22:46
his investor and then Marty Marty
22:49
was there as well
22:51
Marty was Marty Blazer
22:54
a financial advisor from Pittsburgh
22:57
we were just shooting the crap just talking
23:00
and then the topic of a player named Balsa
23:02
Coprovica came up Coprovica
23:05
was planning to play for Augustine's team
23:07
the next season in 2018
23:09
Louisville wanted him
23:11
badly and so the whole premise was
23:14
of the meeting was okay this guy's gonna give me
23:16
this money and I'm gonna tell him the kids
23:18
going to Louisville so you know
23:20
we're in there and he's like okay yeah like I'm gonna give you this
23:22
money this is for the mom and the family mind you
23:24
the kid and the mom had no idea what was going on right
23:27
so I'm but I'm telling these guys yeah no the mom
23:29
needs this to live you know I got to pay I
23:31
got bills that are associated with this kid
23:34
you know whatever
23:34
the investor with the unbuttoned
23:37
shirt handed Augustine an
23:40
envelope full of cash
23:42
and so I remember getting up taking
23:45
that envelope of money leaving
23:47
the Cosmo and that was
23:49
it how much money was it
23:51
that is right under 13 grand like 12,700 bucks somewhere
23:54
in there what did you do with the 12,700 I bought us our flights
23:57
home and
23:59
the rest just I mean, went to recouping expenses.
24:01
I mean, by that point, like I said, we were, I was
24:03
so far in debt. Our whole trip
24:05
was on my Amex card.
24:07
So it's paying off my cards, trying to get the
24:10
balances down. Augustine
24:13
had done what he had to do to get his team
24:15
home. But what
24:17
he didn't know was that the room
24:20
at the Cosmo was bugged.
24:24
The FBI
24:24
had the whole meeting
24:27
on video. And Dawkins,
24:29
investor who handed over the cash,
24:33
he was an undercover agent.
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25:46
When Brad Augustine took
25:48
that envelope of cash and walked
25:51
out of the Cosmopolitan Hotel in
25:53
Vegas,
25:54
he became part of one of the
25:56
largest bribery scandals in
25:58
the history of college. sports.
26:01
The feds had set him up. But
26:05
why? All right, let's do it. I
26:07
talked with the prosecutors who pursued
26:09
the case to find out. My name
26:12
is Ted Discount. From 2012 until 2021,
26:14
I was an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the
26:18
Southern District of New York. The Southern
26:20
District is sometimes nicknamed the
26:23
Sovereign District of New York for its
26:25
political independence and ability
26:27
to take on nationally high profile
26:30
cases.
26:31
SDNY is the prosecutor's office
26:33
that sent ex-Trump attorney Michael
26:36
Cohen to prison. Former New York Assembly
26:38
Speaker Sheldon Silver. Bernie Madoff.
26:41
Michael Avenatti. Martha Stewart. Jeffrey
26:43
Epstein. And then Jillian Maxwell.
26:46
In 2022, SDNY
26:48
set its sights on imploded cryptocurrency
26:50
giant FTX and its founder,
26:53
Sam Bankman-Fried. SDNY
26:55
started investigating college basketball
26:58
thanks to Marty Blazer. He's
27:00
the now former financial adviser
27:02
who Augustine met at the Cosmo. Blazer
27:06
had gotten caught stealing money from
27:08
clients, mainly professional athletes,
27:11
and investing it in a number of failed
27:14
ventures. This included
27:16
a truly terrible horror
27:18
movie called A Resurrection. When
27:21
a client discovered that Blazer had forged
27:23
his signature to help pay for that, Blazer
27:26
had to pay him back, in part by
27:28
stealing from his other clients. In 2014,
27:33
Blazer offered to give the government
27:35
dirt on college sports as part
27:37
of a proposed plea bargain. See,
27:39
Blazer had already been part of a bribery
27:42
scandal involving college football, and
27:44
through mutual connections,
27:46
he knew what Dawkins and others
27:48
were up to with basketball coaches. Blazer
27:51
agreed to become an informant to
27:53
help the feds expose corruption in
27:55
college basketball.
27:56
Many investigations
27:59
start. with a tip, with a bit
28:01
of information. It was more of a bottom
28:04
up than a top down. This
28:06
is Andrew Goldstein. At the
28:08
start of the investigation, Goldstein
28:11
was chief of the unit handling the case,
28:13
but he left before the cases went to
28:15
trial. As we looked at these
28:18
relationships that Marty Blazer had, and
28:21
we saw the way that these financial
28:23
advisors and coaches were operating, then
28:26
it struck us there is some real corruption here. And
28:29
let's investigate that as
28:31
hard as we can investigate, and let's see how much of
28:33
that we can ferret out and figure
28:35
out who were the wrongdoers there.
28:37
Blazer told prosecutors
28:39
about a complicated web of college
28:42
coaches, apparel companies, financial
28:44
advisors, grassroots programs,
28:47
players' family members, and
28:49
large sums of money.
28:52
So the feds started investigating
28:55
the bag game.
28:59
They set up wiretaps and heard
29:01
a lot, including
29:03
a conspiracy to get athletes to
29:05
attend schools sponsored by
29:07
Adidas.
29:09
What's
29:12
going on, brother? Yeah, I'm sorry. This
29:15
is a phone conversation between an Adidas
29:17
consultant named Merle Code
29:21
and Adidas marketing executive
29:23
James Gatto,
29:24
who we heard about in the last episode.
29:27
They're talking about Nasir
29:29
Little, Augustine's star player.
29:31
So here's the deal. There's a kid named Nasir
29:33
Little who's top five or six in the country
29:35
school. Larenaga knows
29:37
guys really want.
29:38
Jim Larenaga is the head
29:40
coach of the University of Miami
29:43
and Adidas school. The
29:45
problem is Arizona's over the kid 150,
29:49
and we're trying to keep him from going through one
29:51
of their schools.
29:52
The University of Arizona
29:55
is a Nike school. It
30:00
was brought to me through Brad and
30:03
Christian who said, hey, do
30:06
you think Jim would be able to
30:08
keep them at Miami because they really
30:10
want the kid? And I said, I don't know the answer to that. I'll
30:13
have to ask Jim if he's willing to do that. I don't
30:15
know how and what and where
30:17
and why and blah, blah, blah. He's going
30:19
to be a senior, right? Yes,
30:22
he's a rising singer.
30:24
When
30:26
would they need the money? The
30:29
recorded calls gave government investigators
30:32
scraps of evidence, stray
30:34
mentions of names and dollar amounts.
30:37
But it's not like anyone gets on the phone
30:40
and explains the whole scheme like some
30:42
kind of movie villain. When people see
30:44
wiretaps on television
30:46
and in movies, there are a bunch of agents
30:48
sitting around listening to every word and the
30:50
entire story comes together. In
30:53
practice, you're usually talking about fitting
30:55
together bits and pieces and snippets of conversation
30:58
and trying to understand
31:01
what frequently coded conversations
31:04
are about.
31:05
In August 25th, Louisville
31:07
needs to get five grand in account for
31:11
the big kid from Florida that
31:13
Brad Augustine is a guy
31:16
who Jeff met and Marty met and
31:18
he's going to be expecting August
31:20
25th, five grand for the big kid that Louisville was
31:22
trying to get.
31:24
As the picture started to come into
31:26
focus, it became increasingly clear that
31:28
what we were listening to was a scheme to make a very
31:30
large payment to the family of a student
31:32
athlete in a manner that the scheme
31:35
participants themselves seem to understand
31:38
was highly problematic and
31:40
ultimately illegal.
31:41
The wiretaps show that
31:43
the conspirators were trying
31:46
to cover their tracks, not always
31:48
successfully. Here's
31:50
a call between Dawkins and TJ
31:52
Gasnola. The Adidas bag
31:55
man we met in the last episode. In
31:57
this call, Gasnola is...
31:59
scolding Dawkins from blabbing
32:02
about the $100,000 they were arranging
32:05
for a player to go to an Adidas school.
32:06
I think the
32:09
world of you, and I take care of you, that
32:11
shit right there, I don't talk. Like that
32:13
shit right there gets people in trouble. You
32:15
can say, you can do this, y'all. If
32:17
you go here, I can take care of this. I get that, that's
32:19
fine. But names and money, you can't do
32:22
that. Because
32:24
I like this guy a lot, and I'm going to help him. And
32:27
I brought order back to the situation yesterday,
32:29
because God knows there's a bunch of fucking idiots
32:31
around me. I'm allowing me to do this, so shut the
32:34
fuck up.
32:35
The FBI tried to get the conspirators
32:37
to explain their scheme on the record.
32:40
Here's Adidas consultant Merle
32:42
Code again laying out the bag
32:45
game in a meeting with undercover agents.
32:49
It's a corrupt space as it is, and cheating
32:52
is cheating. When I give you a dollar, $100,000, or I get
32:54
your mom and dad jobs, it's
32:56
cheating, right? So
32:59
in some form of fashion, do North
33:01
Carolina, Syracuse, and Kentucky, all
33:03
of the schools are doing something to help your kids.
33:06
That's just a part of the space. The
33:08
FBI also set up a meeting with
33:11
Christian Dawkins and his business associates
33:13
on a two-story yacht in a Manhattan
33:16
marina with undercover agents Jill
33:18
Bailey and Jeff D'Angelo. The
33:21
agents were posing as a young, wealthy couple.
33:23
D'Angelo wore khaki pants, berry
33:26
boat shoes, and a sweater tied around his
33:28
neck. Bailey and D'Angelo
33:30
were supposedly celebrating their new
33:33
business venture with Dawkins to pay for top
33:35
college basketball recruits. They
33:37
had a duffel bag with tens
33:40
of thousands of dollars in cash to seal
33:42
the deal. The FBI agents
33:44
brought wine and a hidden
33:46
camera.
33:47
This is a way to do business,
33:49
right, Christian? Thank you. I
33:51
like it so much. The conspirators took the
33:54
money, but later they
33:56
started to get a little nervous about
33:59
Bailey and D'Angelo.
33:59
Angelo, their new business
34:01
partners. In this
34:03
call, Code and Dawkins are
34:05
talking about how odd it is that
34:08
Google doesn't turn up anything on their
34:10
two investors. Here's
34:12
what, here's just going through this shit.
34:15
I mean, you and I protect ourselves,
34:17
man, and I'm just saying that's just as a guy who's
34:19
real skeptical about this shit.
34:22
You and I need to get some background information on Jeff
34:25
and his chick. Okay.
34:27
Like, I'm just
34:29
telling you to protect your own ass and where she come
34:31
from or where her money come from. Your
34:33
name is going to be tied to it. My name is going
34:35
to be tied to it. Until I feel good
34:37
about these folks, I don't know. And I'm
34:39
looking up Jeff D'Angelo and can't find nothing on
34:42
him, and that shit is really concerning me.
34:44
Those misgivings didn't
34:47
keep Dawkins and Code from continuing
34:49
to do business with the undercover agents.
34:54
So using the recorded phone calls,
34:57
meetings with undercover agents, and other
34:59
evidence like emails and text messages,
35:02
SDNY built a case.
35:05
Their investigation rolled up guys
35:07
like Christian Dawkins and TJ Gasnola,
35:10
as well as Merle Code, James Gatto,
35:13
and Brad Augustine.
35:15
The meeting on the top floor
35:18
of the Cosmo Hotel in Las Vegas
35:20
was a key piece of the government's
35:22
evidence.
35:23
And a side note, it
35:26
came out years later that
35:28
one of the FBI agents there that
35:30
day removed thousands of dollars
35:33
in government cash from the room safe
35:35
and lost it playing blackjack at
35:37
the casino.
35:39
He eventually pleaded guilty to one
35:41
misdemeanor count of conversion of government
35:43
money. The FBI denied
35:46
all of our interview requests for this series.
35:51
So after that Vegas hotel sting,
35:54
the FBI had Augustine on
35:56
tape agreeing to steer a player
35:58
to the University of Louisville.
35:59
in exchange for just
36:02
under $13,000. A
36:05
few weeks after Augustine took the money
36:07
from the meeting in Vegas, he got
36:09
the call from Dawkins inviting him to
36:11
New York City to meet his investor,
36:14
the undercover agent Jill Bailey. The
36:18
morning Dawkins and Bailey were supposed
36:20
to meet with Augustine, the FBI
36:22
arrested Dawkins in his room at the W
36:25
Hotel, which brings
36:27
us back to Times Square, where
36:30
Augustine learned he was indicted on
36:32
Twitter.
36:34
Back
36:34
home, his wife Alexa
36:36
was also getting the news. By
36:39
the time I get home, my phone is blowing
36:41
up. Just text after
36:43
text, phone call after phone call. My phone actually
36:46
froze. And
36:48
when it finally unfroze, I answered
36:50
it. The first person who was calling in was a
36:52
mutual friend of ours. And at this point
36:54
I had no idea what was going on. And
36:57
I'm so confused and he's like, just
36:59
turn on ESPN right now.
37:00
Let's bring in our basketball insider, Jeff
37:02
Goodman. And Jeff, when they say the investigation
37:04
continues, you think, uh-oh,
37:07
what else is there? So what else is there? That's
37:09
exactly what I think, Neil. And we don't
37:11
know exactly what there's going to be, but
37:13
what we do know is there's 10 people that
37:16
have been arrested that could all roll
37:19
and give other names to the FBI.
37:23
Augustine didn't know what was happening
37:25
or why, just that
37:27
he was in trouble. First
37:30
he called Alexa and then
37:32
he called the FBI to turn
37:34
himself in. And I just sat there
37:37
and 45 minutes later, four
37:39
guys in suits get off the elevator. From
37:43
there, they took my phone, took my computer,
37:45
took my backpack and walked me downstairs.
37:48
And they
37:51
handcuffed me and put me in the back of a car. And
37:53
so I'm sitting in the back of a Crown Vic with
37:56
my hands cuffed behind my back, with a Fed
37:59
on my left and my right.
37:59
two in the front seat. And you
38:02
know, mind you, they're doing their job, right? Oh, you're going
38:04
to jail, you're going to prison for 80 years
38:06
and you have no idea. You know, you
38:08
better, you better tell us everything we want to
38:10
know. And I just remember at one point, like, like laughing. Like,
38:13
what are you guys talking about? Like, what
38:15
did I do? And I just
38:17
remember asking that question over, like, guys,
38:20
why am I here?
38:22
Brad Augustine knew it was a violation
38:25
of NCAA rules to take shoe company
38:27
money for steering players to certain schools,
38:30
but
38:30
he had no idea it was
38:32
a crime.
38:34
And as the FBI made its arrests
38:36
in the case, that was a common
38:38
reaction. When you tell me bribery
38:41
scandal, like I
38:43
imagine a scene from Goodfellas or something like
38:45
that. I mean, I thought the FBI only showed
38:48
up when like the mob was involved.
38:50
That's ESPN's Myron
38:52
Medcalf again. Literally, I did, I honestly
38:55
didn't know, like, I didn't know the FBI
38:57
could get involved with
39:00
something like college basketball. At
39:02
these events on the circuit, there's
39:06
not this sense of evil happening. The
39:09
FBI made it that that's
39:11
not what's happening, man. Of course,
39:13
you know, money's exchanging
39:16
hands. And of course, you understand that
39:18
things are happening that
39:20
would be NCAA violations. Are
39:22
they like violations? Everybody's
39:26
in it, man. If this thing is dirty,
39:29
we all got mud on us, man. All of us. Coming
39:34
up in our next episode, prosecutors
39:38
announced the arrests and outlined
39:40
the bag game. Coaches
39:43
at some of the nation's top programs,
39:46
soliciting and accepting cash
39:48
bribes. There were discussions primarily
39:50
what's going to be the next shoe to drop. How
39:53
far is this going to go?
39:55
And Billy Preston
39:58
waits to hear his name in the the
40:00
NBA draft. If I was able to play
40:02
that whole year at KU, it would have been a whole different
40:04
outcome. That's in
40:06
the next and final episode
40:09
of
40:09
The Bag Game. The
40:26
Bag Game is based on reporting by
40:28
me, Paula Levine and Mark Schlebau
40:31
for ESPN's investigative unit. Senior
40:34
producer is Matt Frasica. Senior
40:37
editorial producer is Eve Trowe.
40:40
Line producer is Kath Sankey. Associate
40:43
producers are Gus Navarro and Megan
40:45
Coyle. Production assistants
40:47
are Diamante McElvey and Isabella
40:50
Seaman. Archival producers
40:52
are Megan Coyle and G. Young Park.
40:55
Music
40:56
by Braxton Cook with additional
40:58
composition, scoring and sound design
41:00
by Hannes Brown.
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