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You know, I joke when I leave the house, it's good

0:02

for my wife's boyfriend. Are

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you gone for the whole week? No, no, no.

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This is a week where he could be in

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the house with me and I would have noticed.

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Okay. Buckle up everybody. This will be a

0:16

long one. Welcome to 32 thoughts. The podcast

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presented as always by the GMC Sierra, Jeff

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Merrick, Elliott Friedman and Dom Sremat who Elliott

0:22

by the way is playing hurt. Never play

0:25

injured. We can always play hurts a little

0:27

under the weather, but he's going to soldier

0:29

through all of this. And I always preface

0:32

these shows by saying, as

0:34

Bart Simpson once said, we'll

0:36

try to try to keep it

0:38

brief. We are going to go

0:40

through all 32 teams in advance of the trade

0:42

deadline. What did Homer Simpson say to that? What's

0:45

that? What's the valuable lesson?

0:48

Never try. That's

0:51

right. Can't wait. Don't try. Do you have doomed us

0:54

to failure? Okay.

0:56

Very good. I want to get right to it here. So this, this

0:58

is going to be the gist that you've heard these shows before that

1:00

we do, uh, usually we do

1:02

them around free agency. We do them around trade

1:04

deadline as well. Uh, so here it

1:06

is. We're going to go through each division. We're going to

1:08

get to the Montana's thought line as well. Uh,

1:11

but Elliott, we will start first. We'll

1:13

sort of just go alphabetically through all

1:15

the teams, uh, the buyers, the

1:17

sellers, the in betweeners, if you will, we'll

1:19

start in the Pacific and we'll start with

1:22

a seller, the Anaheim ducks. So

1:27

one of the names that a lot of people are wondering about is Frank Vitrano. And,

1:30

uh, definitely teams

1:34

have looked into him and I've

1:36

been told the price is very high. One

1:41

thing about Pat Verbeek is that last year when

1:43

Adam Henrique was, had a year left on his

1:45

contract, he set the price high and felt

1:47

that if he wanted to, he could wait

1:51

and do it this year and he's got the same

1:54

approach with Vitrano. One

1:57

of the things that I've been looking for is the price

1:59

of the that's happened here in Anaheim

2:01

is they're so young and

2:03

they're rebuilding that Verbeek thinks

2:05

it's very important that there

2:07

are good pros in the

2:09

group there. You know they're

2:11

about to trade. Henrique, I'd

2:14

be surprised if he was there. They went out

2:16

and they signed Kallorn and they went out and

2:18

they signed Goudis. I've heard

2:20

that there have been teams that have

2:22

kind of asked a little bit about Goudis.

2:25

Would Anaheim consider doing that? I'm under the

2:27

impression that ducks are saying no way. We're

2:30

simply not doing it. There's a limit to

2:32

the amount of kids you can have. You

2:34

need good pros and Vitrano

2:36

is on that list. So I

2:39

think if he gets traded we're gonna look at

2:41

the return and we're going to understand

2:44

why he gets moved. It's going to be

2:46

big. So that's the way

2:50

I kind of approach that. I'm expecting

2:52

Henrique to move. There's been a bunch

2:54

of interest around him. He's playing

2:56

Sunday night against Vancouver. They didn't pull

2:58

him from the lineup. I know there's

3:00

been some interest around Sam Carrick. I've

3:02

heard but I don't know for sure

3:04

that some teams have wondered about if

3:06

they'll be able to extend with these

3:08

guys, if the Ducks will allow that.

3:11

And I'm also under the

3:13

impression that John Gibson is

3:16

probably not going now that if he's

3:18

going he's going in the offseason. I'll

3:20

say something else about the Ducks. There

3:23

have been some rumors that they are

3:25

going to like I still think this

3:27

is a long process and a long

3:29

rebuild but someone did say

3:31

to me don't be surprised if

3:34

they continue to add some

3:36

of these veterans. They've got a ton

3:39

of kids in their organization. They're gonna

3:41

add more in the offseason with

3:43

their draft at a high pick obviously

3:46

but again I wouldn't

3:48

be surprised if Verbeek continues to

3:50

add good vets. And I should

3:53

mention Zegre's too. It's

3:56

a really tough one because I do

3:58

think teams try. The

4:00

one thing I think verbeek is smart

4:02

with here is that he's talented and

4:05

whatever Concerns you may have

4:07

about whether or not he lines up with the

4:09

way you see the game it's

4:11

hard to replace talent and I

4:14

do believe verbeek looks at it like Unless

4:17

we get an offer that we really like

4:19

here because I do think they've told teams

4:22

Who've asked you don't have enough of what

4:24

we want to do this. I Do

4:27

think unless they get that they're

4:29

going to give zegers the chance to

4:31

prove that he Can

4:34

or can't do what they're asking

4:36

him to do which I believe

4:38

includes bulking up and showing

4:40

a two-way commitment All

4:43

right, so eyeballs on Anaheim

4:45

as sellers speaking of which Even

4:49

though they keep on winning and had

4:51

a really impressive win Saturday on hockey

4:53

night in Canada and a great Mika

4:55

Kipras off Night, what about the Calgary

4:57

Flames? We've seen to Foley go the

4:59

door off go Lindholm Go last week

5:01

Tana of soon to be Hannafin We

5:04

know all about the Jacob Marks from drama

5:06

as well and how he feels about how

5:08

this process has played itself out Where

5:11

are you out on Calgary? Elliott? Well,

5:14

first of all, it should be mentioned. I

5:17

thought they had a great ceremony on Saturday

5:19

night I thought it was extremely well done

5:21

I mean of all the players who've had

5:23

their numbers retired in recent years Is

5:26

there any one of them that we really

5:28

knew less about than Kipras off? Yager

5:30

liked his privacy, but he was always

5:33

out there and nobody was more out

5:35

there and knew more people than Chris

5:37

Chellios Their speeches were great

5:39

their nights were great and

5:42

there was more we learned But there was always

5:44

a real connection Between Yager and

5:46

the fans and Chellios on the fans and

5:48

not that there wasn't a connection between Kipras

5:50

off and the fans But the

5:52

thing is they just really didn't know him That's

5:55

probably the most that anyone ever heard

5:57

him speak and it was It

6:00

was a really good ceremony and the

6:02

after hours with Scott and Ryan Leslie

6:05

and those guys was tremendous It was

6:07

it was just a really really nice

6:09

night Now one thing I

6:11

do know is I know the flames were very

6:13

unhappy with the timing

6:16

of the Markstrom thing and the

6:18

comments and and you know, I

6:21

I mean I Believe me. I so

6:23

some people were unhappy with me and and

6:25

I get it. That's fine. It's it's a

6:28

it's It's that

6:30

time of the year and it's emotional and

6:32

you know another owner

6:34

said to me we were talking on Saturday

6:36

morning and we were talking about that and

6:40

They didn't like the timing of that

6:42

for Calgary because they're like those

6:44

weekends are so important to your team

6:47

You hate it when something dumps on

6:49

them, but such as life It's the

6:51

week before the trade deadline and that

6:54

can happen They

6:56

won five in a row They

6:58

it was an incredible win on Saturday night Markstrom

7:01

continues to play great Cadre's

7:04

been fantastic, you

7:06

know Huberto one thing about Huberto is if

7:09

you watch that goal by Cadre He

7:11

makes an incredible play on the

7:14

defenseman right in front of

7:16

the Pittsburgh net He makes

7:18

it that I can't remember the defense

7:20

and was but he makes it so

7:22

that that defender can't get their stick

7:24

in Cadre and it's not even really

7:26

interference or anything like that. It's just a

7:28

really smart play You know

7:30

the the kids are going, you know possible soul

7:33

was a menace all over the ice You

7:35

know, we said it and someone agreed to me with

7:37

it They said

7:39

if Calgary had everybody they started the

7:42

year with and everyone stayed They

7:44

could be a real nightmare in the first round Like

7:46

you would not want to see Markstrom in the first

7:49

round the way he's playing and you would not want

7:51

to see a top D pair of Hanif and Tanniff

7:54

in the first round, but you

7:56

know, this is where we're going here Markstrom

7:59

his issue, on one

8:01

hand he's upset because it's not the same

8:03

team he signed with, but on the other

8:05

hand I think he's more upset because

8:10

he feels that he

8:12

should never have been told he could be traded

8:15

to New Jersey. I think that's what

8:17

this is all about. If it wasn't

8:19

going to happen, then he feels

8:21

he shouldn't have even been told about it and

8:23

he didn't want to know about it. As

8:26

Kevin said in the intermission on Saturday

8:28

night, when he played with Markstrom he

8:30

was a single guy and when you're single,

8:34

every parent who's listening to

8:36

this, you know when you're single

8:38

and it's just you, you're like,

8:40

ladda da, I have no responsibilities,

8:42

I'll do whatever I feel like.

8:44

Then when you have a partner or you're married

8:47

and you have children, you're sitting

8:49

there and you're saying, oh my God, I can't

8:51

be completely irresponsible, I actually have

8:53

to consider other people with my

8:55

actions and I just don't think

8:57

he liked that. I don't think he liked the stress.

9:00

By the way, I'll also say this, I

9:04

know a lot of people including myself

9:06

have believed the deal fell apart over

9:09

retention or what Calgary considered

9:11

the proper price for retention.

9:15

On Saturday someone else said to me

9:17

that they heard that it

9:19

wasn't even that so much as Calgary

9:22

just saw how Markstrom was

9:24

going and how the team was starting to

9:26

go and they just said, look, we could

9:28

make the playoffs and we're not doing this.

9:31

So there's a second reason that

9:33

this may have fallen apart.

9:36

Whatever the case, Markstrom's upset about

9:38

it, we'll see what that means

9:40

over the next week. Now

9:43

that the event is over with Kiprasoft, they'll

9:45

really have to sit down and figure out

9:47

how they want to approach this. Like

9:53

we said on Friday's pod, they

9:55

made an offer to re-sign Tannev. He

9:58

just said, you know what? You've

10:00

gone too far along the way. Let's

10:02

go and let's get this done. As

10:05

of Sunday when we taped this, Hannafin

10:08

is still focused on teams he wants

10:10

to sign with and I think the

10:12

Flames are too. Number

10:14

one on that list and nobody has told

10:17

me I'm wrong about this is Tampa Bay

10:20

and I believe the Lightning would like to do it. When

10:24

that happens it tells me that there's

10:26

a deal to be made contract wise.

10:30

There just hasn't been a deal to be

10:32

made trade wise and

10:34

as I said on Saturday if it was that easy to

10:36

do it would be done already and what

10:39

we don't know here is what happens if they

10:41

can't get this done. Does

10:44

Hannafin open up his list of

10:47

teams or he has

10:49

a partial no trade too or does Calgary

10:51

get to the point where they simply say

10:53

look we're going to do what we

10:55

think is best and we're

10:58

going to make that deal. But

11:00

it's amazing. They're hot.

11:03

I bet you Jeff that there have been

11:05

teams that have said what are you thinking

11:07

about Blake Coleman or something

11:09

like that. Calgary

11:12

has no inclination to do any of that and

11:17

it's really something because

11:20

I bet to me in Calgary

11:22

the fact that they tried to extend TANF and

11:24

they pulled Mark Stromov off the market and they

11:26

continue to try to get Hannafin done for a

11:28

while that they agreed with those

11:30

people who felt if they get into the playoffs

11:33

they're going to be trouble for someone

11:35

to deal with and they're disappointed that

11:39

they couldn't keep that group together.

11:42

The player that I wonder about because I agree with

11:44

you like when it's obvious that

11:47

you're selling off and we've seen the work

11:49

that Craig Conroy has done before, teams

11:51

call like why not to check on players

11:53

that we may not think are available. You

11:55

know who comes to mind for me? I

11:57

would imagine teams would have called for. Ray

12:00

shot defense and Rasmus Anderson. That's

12:03

one guy that I wonder teams would have, they're

12:05

not going to do it, but in the spirit

12:08

of Blake Coleman, he'd knock on that door and

12:10

see who answers. I would imagine Rasmus Anderson too.

12:13

Who do you think answered? Well, it'd

12:15

be Craig Conroy. He's not. He's

12:17

the first line of defense. No, not at all. I

12:19

don't think that he's going anywhere, nor do they want

12:22

to do anything with Rasmus Anderson other than leave him

12:24

where he is. Okay. Here's

12:26

a team we've wondered about for quite some time.

12:29

What do they want to do? What are they

12:31

able to do? How can they make it all

12:34

work? We know where a lot of the holes

12:36

are. How can they plug them? How creative can

12:38

Ken Holland be? The Edmondson Oilers,

12:41

Elliot. So

12:44

to me, the most fascinating

12:46

thing is, because I still don't think

12:48

it's 100% clear, what are

12:52

the Oilers going to say is

12:54

their first priority? What

12:57

is their first priority? I

13:01

do think they were in on Tanev. And

13:03

I will say this. I think Tanev

13:05

was intrigued with the idea of playing in

13:07

Edmondson. I do think it

13:09

was something he considered and was something he was

13:12

willing to do. And

13:14

I also think that the Oilers offered

13:16

the Flames a first round pick with

13:19

the Proviso that they

13:21

had to take a player off Edmondson's

13:23

roster. And Calgary

13:25

just didn't want to do that. They

13:28

weren't interested in what that potential

13:30

was. And so

13:33

Tanev goes to Dallas, but

13:35

it said to me that they

13:37

were very interested in the player.

13:40

Edmondson, we've mentioned Henrique.

13:42

I do think they're still around him. We've

13:45

mentioned Sam Carrick. I do think they're

13:47

still around him. You

13:50

mentioned Anthony Mantha, and I do think

13:52

they've been around him. I've

13:54

been told they are not the

13:57

most likely destination for Jake Gensol.

14:00

they're looking at all of these players

14:02

right? They're looking like that's

14:05

the kind of thing they're doing and

14:07

I think they're looking at a couple forwards and

14:10

I think they're looking at a D. What

14:12

I can't figure out and you know I'll

14:14

say this I think it depends

14:16

on the player I do they

14:19

definitely were in on TANF they

14:21

definitely tried to get them but

14:23

now I think everybody's

14:25

kind of wondering and I do think they're

14:27

around Sean Walker. I think

14:29

the Oilers were looking for a little bit

14:31

of edge on their blue line and

14:34

I think there are teams as much as teams

14:36

like Walker this is not a shot at him

14:38

I think there are teams who

14:41

don't necessarily believe he's the edgiest

14:43

guy but I think they're around him

14:46

again it's a similar situation I

14:48

believe if Edmonton's going to do

14:50

that with Philadelphia or anyone else

14:52

they're gonna say we'll trade you

14:54

the first but you've got

14:56

to do this with us too anything

14:59

they do money's got to go out

15:01

so I think that's all part of it I

15:04

just to me now it's all about

15:07

who do they put in

15:10

the top priority which

15:12

which position which player

15:15

and again I stick with look Skinner

15:17

had a really good game on Saturday

15:19

he was excellent against Seattle he's not

15:21

playing Sunday night against Pittsburgh that's Pickard's

15:23

game but I think they're

15:25

they're right or die with with Skinner I

15:27

just don't see them going out and getting

15:29

another goalie mm-hmm could

15:32

you see a final thought

15:34

here at Edmondson before you move along could you

15:36

see Jack Campbell again

15:38

with Edmondson retaining being part of

15:40

any deal or do you think

15:43

teams are more aligned with let's see if they buy

15:46

him out in the offseason I think it's just a

15:48

big price you're asking people

15:50

to eat a lot of money I know I

15:52

get that so I would there's

15:54

everything possible Jeff yeah I think it's possible

15:56

but I I think it's more likely you're

15:58

if you're using your ass assets right now,

16:00

you'd rather use them to make your team

16:02

better as opposed to pay to buy out

16:05

Jack Campbell. All right, a team

16:07

that we're used to seeing Edmonton face off

16:09

against in the postseason are the Los Angeles

16:11

Kings. Rob Blake is not shy about the

16:13

big deal. How is he about

16:15

the trade deadline deal? What do you hear? What

16:18

do you know? Well, I think the name a

16:20

lot of people have focused on is Matt Roy

16:22

just simply because he's a UFA. Boy,

16:24

I hate making proclamations at this time

16:26

of year. And you know, remember last

16:28

year, Tyler Bertuzzi was off the block

16:30

and then a week later he was

16:32

traded. So you have to

16:34

be so careful about these

16:36

things. But that

16:39

was, hang on, just pause on that. That was

16:41

the, that was the Detroit Red Wings though. Like

16:43

remember when they were gathering up steam and all

16:45

of a sudden there's no Bertuzzi. Yes, but that's

16:47

my point. And then they hit the wall and

16:49

then, okay. Well, we also lost Ottawa twice and

16:51

I said, we're not ready for this. So but

16:53

that's the thing. It just shows you how much

16:55

stuff can change, right, Jeff? Yep. So

16:57

you just, you remember all that. So the,

17:01

it appears as if it's unlikely that Matt Roy

17:03

is going to be traded. I think

17:05

the Kings are going to stand

17:07

pat with him and go and then see

17:10

what happens during the summer. Like

17:12

he's a good player. If you think there's any chance

17:14

you can keep him, you might want to keep him.

17:16

So it certainly seems

17:18

that it would be a bit

17:20

of a surprise if the

17:22

Kings moved him and

17:24

all of their injured guys, the Kempe,

17:27

we talked about this on Friday, Kempe,

17:30

Arvidsson, Anderson,

17:34

and there's one other. They're

17:36

all, oh, Grunstrom, they're all coming

17:38

back. So it's not like

17:40

he can hold into the playoffs and say,

17:42

now I can add, and these guys will

17:44

come back. He's not in that position. So

17:47

I think there's a couple of things

17:49

here. If there's

17:51

any talk about any players, it's

17:53

Caliev and I'm not convinced the

17:55

Kings are going to do that. I think, I

17:57

think if they really wanted to do it, they.

18:00

They could have already done it, so I'm

18:02

less convinced that's going to happen, although

18:04

it still could. And I've

18:06

wondered about a guy like Lizzott simply because I

18:08

think there's teams that like that kind of player.

18:11

I just don't know what the likelihood of that

18:13

is or not. So people

18:16

seem to think the Kings are going to stand

18:18

pat for the most part, nothing major. Of

18:20

course, because I said that, they'll

18:23

probably do some 14-player blockbuster. But

18:26

I'm going with it that they're

18:28

likelier to stand pat. And also,

18:30

if you watched a couple of their wins

18:33

lately, it's when the Kings are

18:35

at their best that they play with good

18:37

structure and their goalies are protected. So I'm

18:40

not... Did you see the doubles game? Did you see the doubles

18:42

game on Sunday? That was locked down. All

18:44

over just mother them. Yeah,

18:47

that was locked down Sunday. And Danoa was

18:49

great too. We got to play that. Well,

18:51

he's a great player. But so

18:53

when I look at the Kings, people

18:56

say you got to get a goalie, get a goalie.

18:58

And you could find a better goalie. But number one,

19:00

the goalie market is really shrinking. And

19:02

number two, I just

19:05

think they feel if we play our best,

19:07

our goalies should be good enough. So

19:09

there you go. One quick point about the

19:11

goalie market too. I was having this conversation on my radio

19:14

show on Friday with Devin Dubnik. And we were throwing around

19:16

the idea of... The

19:18

obvious example is Ryan Miller to the St. Louis

19:20

Blues. Making net minders seldom

19:22

go a trade deadline because it's so

19:24

hard to acclimate a new starting goaltender

19:27

into your system, into your team with

19:29

as much rest days, CBA days, not

19:31

so much practice down the stretch. It's

19:34

really hard. It's

19:37

really tough to bring in a number one goaltender.

19:39

Teams have tried it. And I think after

19:41

teams saw the Ryan Miller experiment in St.

19:43

Louis, I do wonder if that's

19:46

made some teams gun shy about bringing in a

19:48

starting goaltender at deadline. You just don't have enough time.

19:50

Well, Dwayne Rollison talked about that with me

19:53

once. He went to Edmonton and they went

19:55

to the Stanley Cup final in 06. So

19:58

that one worked okay. He actually

20:00

did say it was a bigger adjustment

20:02

than he realized just in terms of

20:04

for example, something as playing the puck

20:07

You know the Edmonton defense and we're used to

20:09

a certain thing before Rolison

20:13

got there and they fudged it up a

20:15

little bit a few times once he arrived

20:17

now They went to the Stanley Cup finals

20:19

and they probably win it if he doesn't

20:21

get hurt So there's your

20:23

counter argument, but Rolison did say that

20:26

it took you know It did take them some time

20:28

to get used to each other I

20:30

missed Wayne Rolison by the way. I missed

20:32

goalies that play like that and defend their

20:34

crease like that I really missed Wayne Rolison

20:36

Elliott. Okay From

20:38

there, let's head to the San Jose Sharks and

20:40

we know what the game is here open for

20:43

business Elliott's

20:48

You know the biggest question about the

20:50

Sharks is you know, there's

20:52

two there's two challenges to this deadline Number

20:55

one is a lot of the teams that would

20:57

be buyers don't have a lot of capital whether

21:00

whether they've already spent a lot of their

21:02

draft picks like Tampa and Boston or in

21:04

Florida and Toronto or they don't have a

21:06

lot of cap room or they don't want

21:08

to move some of their best prospects They

21:11

don't like there are teams who told me that one of

21:13

the reasons they think this is good. How you gonna make

21:15

it great? Exactly.

21:17

Yeah, because you don't have a lot to make trades

21:20

And the other issue is that when you look at some of the

21:22

teams that are really out They

21:24

don't have a lot that teams

21:26

want, you know You know, we'll

21:28

get to Chicago in that situation. We mentioned

21:31

a couple of guys on Anaheim But

21:34

the one of the problems that San Jose

21:36

has is there's not a lot there that

21:39

people are chasing I think there's some

21:41

interest in declare. There's some interest in

21:43

Michael Grandland who was another year remaining

21:46

I think there's some interest in Mario

21:48

Ferraro who's got a couple years at more

21:50

remaining You know Matt Benning would have been a

21:52

guy I think there would have been interest in

21:54

but he's out Yeah, I do think teams have

21:57

looked at cock it in the goalie But

22:01

there's not a lot there, Jeff. And

22:03

I think that's one of the biggest

22:06

challenges. And if they trade someone like

22:08

Ferraro or Grandland, they're gonna want more

22:10

of a price, obviously, and understandably. So

22:13

that's one of the things I think has been an issue

22:15

for the Sharks is they're definitely gonna

22:17

try to move their UFAs if they can. I

22:21

just think the challenge there has

22:23

been that

22:25

whatever prices might be asked or

22:28

whatever is available, teams just

22:30

aren't clamoring to get what's

22:32

there. And so that's been San

22:35

Jose's biggest challenge. The

22:37

one thing I definitely hear is

22:39

that, Grandland

22:42

is a guy who teams believe in

22:44

the right situation, he can help you.

22:46

And Ferraro is a guy who even though he

22:48

struggled this year, he's still very young, he's got

22:50

a great work ethic. And if you

22:52

get him in your situation, maybe you can work

22:54

with him and make him better. There's

22:57

definitely those feelings, but the prices are

22:59

higher. And like

23:02

I said, I think San

23:04

Jose's had a challenge moving some of these

23:06

players. Anything with

23:08

Luke Cunnan? I mean, I

23:10

know you've been restricted for agent. I did

23:12

mention his name with Edmonton a

23:14

couple podcasts ago. Like I heard he

23:16

was the kind of guy that

23:19

Edmonton was looking at.

23:22

I heard there was some people in Edmonton who liked him. No

23:25

surprise there. Okay,

23:28

from the San Jose Sharks, as we all through the Pacific,

23:30

we get to one of the

23:32

more intriguing teams. Are they closer to

23:34

the first year team or last year's

23:36

team that knocked out the defending Stanley

23:38

Cup champions? They are

23:40

the Seattle Kraken, Ron Francis' team,

23:42

Elliot. Well, the number one

23:44

thing I'm hearing about them is that a

23:47

lot of people like their defense. You

23:49

will not be surprised to hear that, Jeff,

23:52

that a lot of

23:55

teams have called Seattle, have asked

23:57

about their defensemen.

24:00

understand what Ron

24:02

Francis tells them is he's happy

24:04

with his blue line. And

24:06

so what you've got here

24:08

is a situation where there's interest in guys

24:11

like Larson who

24:13

I don't think is going anywhere but

24:16

there's also interest in in other

24:18

players whether it's Will Borgen whether

24:21

it's been Jamie

24:24

Alexiak I mean certainly Vince Dunn

24:26

I don't know that anyone is is asking

24:28

about that at all and

24:31

you know what what Francis believes is first

24:33

of all he doesn't want to tear his

24:35

team apart even though they've had a tougher

24:37

year like if you start dealing some of

24:39

these guys immediately you're looking to plug holes

24:42

and he's not interested in that.

24:45

Now Justin Schultz is a UFA so

24:47

you can see that and I've heard

24:49

some talk around Brian Dumoulin just in

24:51

the sense that Dumoulin's had a tough

24:53

transition there this year so

24:55

I kind of wonder about how

24:57

Seattle feels but the ones that

24:59

people have really targeted the Borgens the

25:01

Larsons and I think Alexiak they're

25:04

just not really interested in doing that. So

25:07

we move up front and they've got

25:10

a few guys the

25:13

thing about Eberly is that I

25:15

think Seattle wants to keep him

25:17

and I'm not sure one way or

25:20

the other if he's gonna be signed

25:22

by next week but there

25:24

are some teams who believe it doesn't

25:26

even matter like if Seattle thinks

25:28

they're gonna be in a position where they're

25:31

gonna be able to sign them you know

25:34

they're gonna hold them and and get it and

25:36

get it done somewhere down the

25:38

road. I think the other thing too there

25:40

is you know Eberly is

25:42

at 996 games and yeah I think the Kraken

25:45

would like

25:50

it it's not the biggest

25:52

thing but it's a thing. I

25:54

Think they would like it to be played

25:57

for them and you can only get to

25:59

996. The eat before

26:01

the deadline. Nine ninety nine would

26:03

be that night in game one

26:05

thousand would be Tuesday the twelve

26:08

or home against Vegas and like

26:10

a wouldn't surprise so when actually

26:12

mentioned it to me it wouldn't

26:14

surprise me if the crack and

26:17

wanted that game for them. Again,

26:19

not the biggest deal but it's

26:21

another bit of circumstantial evidence In

26:24

wise Seattle might want to keep

26:26

him. Ah too much

26:28

to tar alexandria one bird I've heard

26:30

there's that I've heard they've talked about

26:32

with when bird to about keeping a

26:35

my stairs and with user looking for

26:37

centers on not sure where how that's

26:39

gonna go bites are that when I've

26:41

heard could go either way to and

26:43

bird. Okay, You

26:46

ready for snacks? Sir.

26:49

Who is it? I should noses we're going

26:51

in alphabetical order by it's I'm not very

26:53

bright. it's. Their. Name rhymes with

26:55

the Vancouver Canucks. The.

26:59

Man, coover monoxide as I've never

27:01

exactly. that's very well. I like

27:03

they. They've already got their biggest

27:05

victory, right? Save they hire. Do

27:07

you even argue They've already won

27:10

the trade deadline they got. They

27:12

got Pettersen done. Really

27:15

crazy week and deal. I wrote a

27:17

big blog on on Sunday night and

27:19

you know one of the things I

27:22

talk about was your Jeff we were

27:24

you When I have gone through contract

27:26

negotiations before not with each other by

27:29

with. The our companies and you

27:31

know there's times that those negotiations

27:33

get nasty and those negotiations get

27:35

hard. Man, you know I have

27:37

a rule that if I agree

27:40

to sign. I. Have to try

27:42

to move past whatever happened. I have to

27:44

move. That gives if I take the money.

27:47

I'm. Saying that I'm not a

27:49

silly condone, but I'm putting

27:51

behind me what happened before.

27:54

You know what? His paws on that he

27:56

hours I, I I I agree with you.

27:59

I. just a I always sort of

28:01

project myself at my age into someone

28:03

else's situation. I

28:05

would not be able to do that when I was 25.

28:09

I could not do that and Elias Pedersen is 25

28:11

years old. I know we want to treat them all

28:13

as if they're grown and

28:16

with families in their 40s. I

28:20

know that I would have a hard time letting it go and

28:22

that's all I'm saying. Well,

28:24

the point I was going to make before

28:27

I was so rudely interrupted was that...

28:29

You were a little flourish there, coloring

28:31

it in a little bit. Context. The

28:35

point I was going to make was

28:37

that I believe the way

28:39

that press conference went and

28:42

then you talk to people and

28:44

you hear the reaction, I believe

28:47

that everybody here is

28:49

doing just that. Pedersen

28:52

was making jokes at the press conference. It's

28:54

probably the first time he smiled in a

28:56

month because the team was

28:58

going badly and as he admitted, he was feeling

29:00

the stress. But he was

29:02

making jokes and the Canucks

29:04

were in a cheery mood too for obvious

29:07

reasons. One of

29:09

the things that... The

29:11

tone of this press conference could have gone

29:13

two ways. It could have been a celebration

29:16

or it could have been we

29:18

got this done despite a really

29:20

tense few days. And

29:22

it was all celebration which says to me

29:24

that Pedersen's happy and the Canucks, they aren't

29:26

gloating here. They're like, this is a great

29:29

thing for us. This is a great thing

29:31

for our fans. This is a great thing

29:33

for Pedersen. Let's celebrate the happiness.

29:35

We don't need to talk about how

29:37

much we were worried or how we

29:40

had to pressure him or anything we

29:42

tried here. Everybody could just

29:44

focus on the happiness. And

29:46

to me, Jeff, that says that

29:49

everybody shook hands and they

29:52

got it done. The

29:54

other thing here, I think that's really relevant,

29:56

Jeff, is that It

29:58

got done fast. No

30:01

patterson. Said. Early in

30:03

the week. And. Iowa. So

30:05

the story I heard was that rather for

30:07

navin Pulled Patterson to a side room near

30:09

the dressing room and said to, you know

30:12

what are you thinking, Can we do this

30:14

here. But look at

30:16

the stress on you, look at the stress

30:18

on the team. Are going to our first

30:20

slump now we don't want to magic could

30:22

situation we might have to trade you and

30:25

Pettersen took this all in and I do

30:27

think he had to consider with or not

30:29

they would actually trade em but I think

30:31

he took it all in and said you

30:33

know I'm I'm leaning towards. Doing it's and

30:35

elicit think of how good it can

30:37

be for the team if you science

30:39

and in rather for told him the

30:41

okay well that's great but just sleep

30:44

I have for a night and so

30:46

he did He call them and he

30:48

said let's do it and it was

30:50

done in like three days and you

30:52

know what That said to me that

30:54

everybody was in place that the team

30:56

the moment that patterson said yes the

30:58

team in the agents they were ready

31:00

and that's like he oh jeff when

31:02

when you're playing for this Superbowl like.

31:04

My home's this year and you've got the

31:07

ball at the five yard line at the

31:09

end of the game to score the winning

31:11

touchdown or to assemble. And.

31:13

The two dogs didn't fumble that

31:15

they got it done and know

31:17

as it's a huge victory for

31:19

them. And steal.

31:22

The other thing here to is

31:24

that Pettersen didn't take the biggest

31:26

number he could. Now if you'll

31:28

notice he's the highest paid Sweden

31:30

the Nhl. Now I don't think

31:33

that's insignificant. I I would guess

31:35

on some level that was very

31:37

important to him by he still

31:39

took a number that's going to

31:41

allow the Canucks to do some

31:44

other things like could use when

31:46

it's his time and I feel

31:48

like that like there's there's nothing

31:50

about. This that's bad for Vancouver now.

31:52

I think it's your word or we

31:54

go from here. I think they're gonna

31:56

look at some a forward. you

31:59

know they I think the

32:01

defense is less of Is

32:05

less important, but they're still gonna look at

32:07

it, but I think it's less important to

32:09

them I think they see a need it

32:11

forward more someone to go to me Lee's

32:14

Elliott. That's what I think kill penalties Oh

32:17

They need to decide on Phil Kessel

32:20

I mean, you know Rutherford could do anything

32:22

like he could do anything But

32:24

he's already got his biggest thing done And I

32:27

think the other thing they're gonna do is I

32:29

think they're really gonna work on What

32:31

do we need to do to get Lynn Holm going

32:33

here? I think they

32:35

were hoping I think everybody was hoping it would be

32:38

a quicker start for him And

32:40

so now I think that becomes their number one thing

32:42

Like what do we have to do to get Lynn

32:44

Holm going and maybe get Thatcher

32:46

Demko some rest. How about that?

32:48

Yes well, I Think

32:51

you're completely Correct about that completely couple couple starts

32:53

for Casey to Smith mix it in mix in

32:55

a water over there. I mean mix in a

32:58

water Okay, Vegas called

33:00

the night. So I'm talking about big swings

33:02

Kelly McCrimmon not shy about any of it

33:05

What's the hot goss on the Vegas cold the nights? Well,

33:07

I think they could be like there's two

33:10

teams I kind of look at here and

33:12

one is Vegas and the other is Boston

33:14

and I'm I'm really intrigued

33:16

about what they could do You

33:18

know Vegas Iko I think

33:20

we'll be back. He could be back this

33:23

week. So he's coming off

33:25

LTI are but stone is gonna

33:27

be on it and You

33:29

know, I you know, he's not gonna play the

33:32

regular season and like I said, my

33:34

doctor buddy He says anybody who thinks you're fooling

33:36

around the ruptured explain Is

33:38

a complete idiot like you just don't know what

33:40

you're dealing with there. So that's why there's no

33:42

real knowledge about

33:45

the timeline I I

33:47

think this I think that I

33:51

think they're gonna look I think they're gonna I

33:54

think they're gonna let look to get the best

33:56

forward they can and You

33:59

know team teams are wondering if they'll do

34:01

more. Their

34:05

defense is really good. They're

34:07

really good down the middle. If

34:10

you said that they would do two

34:13

wingers, it wouldn't

34:15

surprise people. If

34:21

the goalie market was more robust, I

34:24

would wonder what they might think there.

34:29

Don't forget, these guys won them a

34:31

Stanley Cup last year at a

34:35

time where they lost one of their goalies

34:37

during the playoffs. Those

34:41

guys are battle tested. Like

34:45

I said, I think they're going

34:47

to try to get the best winger available. Someone

34:50

said to me they wouldn't be surprised if they tried to get

34:52

two. They're going

34:55

to be aggressive. Some

34:57

teams are satisfied with one in a row,

34:59

not Vegas. I

35:04

do wonder if

35:07

Kelly McCrimmon goes

35:09

back to his old deadline trading pal Doug

35:11

Armstrong for Pavel Bushnevich. I

35:14

really do wonder. I

35:17

would think he's already gone there. I've

35:20

heard the price on Butch Savage is high.

35:22

Not impossible. Of course it is. A total

35:24

high. One more a year too. I've

35:27

got to think he's made that

35:30

call already. Okay,

35:33

so that's the Pacific. We

35:35

shift now to the Central

35:38

and a team that said, you know

35:40

what, you may get 14 wins on us but

35:42

we're not going to give up the 15th Arizona

35:45

Coyotes. Yeah,

35:47

and then they won again. I know, they can. Break

35:50

up the Coyotes. Well, the first

35:52

thing I wanted to do is I

35:54

wanted to recognize Stan Wilson, the longtime

35:57

equipment manager, 2500 games. Sunday

36:01

was his 2500th game with

36:04

the coyotes, long time Shain

36:06

Don Confidant and just very

36:08

very popular person around the

36:10

league and in the organization.

36:14

It's a great honor. I'll tell you something else,

36:16

he still looks great. 2500

36:18

games in the NHL is just about any job. Someone's

36:21

going to look like a Tyrannosaurus

36:23

Rex eating victim. He

36:28

looks terrific. Congratulations

36:30

to Stan. With

36:36

Arizona, like

36:38

Zucker I think is a name obviously a

36:40

lot of people are talking about Damba. I

36:43

kind of thought maybe Damba for the

36:45

least but someone told me he's not

36:47

the highest guy on their list so

36:49

I'm not so sure I would count

36:51

on that anymore. You and

36:54

I have talked about Bjergstad

36:56

and Kerfoot and

36:59

I've mentioned both of them with Colorado. I think

37:01

some other teams have looked at them too. I

37:03

think it's less likely.

37:07

I think those are the two guys, the two

37:09

guys the UFAs I think are the guys that

37:11

are kind of the focus. You

37:14

know just the one thing about the coyotes I

37:16

think is a real challenge

37:18

is and I don't know if

37:20

that gets sorted out now or

37:22

that gets sorted out later but

37:26

someone said to me one of the other challenges they

37:28

have now is if players think they're going

37:31

to move how is that going to determine their future

37:33

with the team? So

37:35

that's something else that they have to

37:37

deal with. I

37:39

say this kind of tongue in cheek

37:42

but we just saw New Jersey pick

37:44

up Curtis McDermott. Which

37:47

metropolitan team picks

37:49

up Liam O'Brien from the Arizona Coyotes

37:51

since everybody seems to be loading up

37:53

in the metro for Matt Rempe? You

37:57

know that's a good question. I hadn't heard his

37:59

name but that doesn't. mean that it's

38:01

impossible. Maybe they keep them. He seems a

38:03

pretty popular player there. He sure is. They

38:05

love him in Arizona. Okay,

38:07

so there's the Coyotes. From there, we go to

38:09

the Chicago Blackhawks, another team that is in cell

38:13

mode. Yeah,

38:15

but they've done a lot of their

38:17

work, right? Like if you take a

38:19

look at players that would have had

38:22

interest, Jason Dickinson, re-signed, Nick Foligno, re-signed,

38:25

Peter Merazik,

38:27

and I don't know how much interest there

38:29

would have been in Merazik, but he's re-signed.

38:31

And a good number. A good number,

38:33

too. A good number, too, for him. So

38:36

a lot of the guys they could have

38:38

moved, they've kept on their own. Now,

38:40

they're still Colin Blackwell. That's a name

38:42

that I've heard. And Colin Blackwell's

38:45

a guy who's moved at deadlines before

38:47

and played pretty well. It

38:49

makes a lot of sense to me, actually,

38:51

because he's done it before. And I've heard

38:53

that he's a guy who's in that mix

38:55

of names. The one I really

38:57

wondered about was Connor Murphy. And

39:00

unfortunately, Connor Murphy's been hurt, so I think

39:02

that kind of takes him off the

39:05

map here. But he's a guy that,

39:07

because he had term, I think

39:09

teams were looking at him, but since he's injured,

39:11

I don't think that's

39:13

going to happen. So maybe Blackwell, you

39:16

know, I've mentioned Tyler Johnston on this

39:18

podcast before, but his number's a little

39:20

bigger. So that's a challenge. Also, don't

39:23

forget, people can help

39:25

facilitate deals. They

39:27

sure can. They have retained salary on

39:30

Jake McCabe. Other than that, they have

39:32

two spots available. Colorado

39:34

Avalanche, Elliot, an intriguing team. I mean,

39:36

they have already made some moves, one

39:38

of the high one of the eyebrow

39:41

raising ones, with signing Zach

39:43

Parisi. Always good to see him back in the

39:45

NHL. Just your thoughts

39:47

on what Colorado does here, because I don't think

39:49

for any stretch of the imagination, anyone believes that

39:51

they're anywhere close to done? I

39:55

have some teams. I should have mentioned them before,

39:57

too. There are definitely some teams

39:59

who think that that they're not gonna be

40:01

quiet. That they're gonna, like, you know, they

40:03

said that if you take a look at

40:05

like the, some of who the most competitive

40:07

GMs are, it's

40:09

amazing how many people name former

40:11

players and former top players, like

40:14

Rob Blake, Joe

40:16

Sakic, although Joe Sakic is no longer the GM,

40:19

and Steve Eiserman, like these, they

40:22

may not play anymore, but they're

40:24

still hugely competitive. And people have

40:26

told me never to underestimate Sakic's

40:28

competitiveness either. So

40:32

there are teams who suspect that they will try to

40:34

do something big. Center,

40:38

no question about it, no

40:40

question about it. And someone said to me

40:43

that they wouldn't be surprised if Colorado

40:45

has gone after centers who

40:47

haven't been on people's radars yet. Like

40:50

people maybe you wouldn't think of that that player

40:52

gets traded at this time. Those

40:54

are the kinds of players that they think

40:56

that Colorado has looked at. So I've kind

40:58

of been going through my list and like

41:01

to me, like Bjokstad makes sense, Kerfoot makes

41:03

sense, you know, name other centers. Scott Lawton

41:05

is the kind of guy that would make

41:07

sense. But you know, someone said to

41:09

me that they think there's names out there that you

41:11

wouldn't even, Adam Henrik would be another one that would

41:14

make sense for them. But other

41:16

players out there that you wouldn't have even thought of.

41:18

I think they were in on TANF too. So

41:21

I wonder what they're looking at on the

41:23

blue line as well. They've had some injuries

41:25

this year. There's,

41:29

you know, there's a lot there. And

41:33

the other thing too, like this whole

41:35

Landeskog thing, Jeff, I

41:40

don't know, maybe it's just the extremely

41:42

paranoid nature of the National Hockey League.

41:45

But there's a lot of people who seem

41:47

to think he's gonna show up on April

41:49

20th or 21st or whenever it is. I

41:52

mean, we'll see, but if

41:54

he is coming back, then

41:56

you have to go for it. Because you just don't know

41:58

how much longer you're getting at it. out of them, right?

42:01

Oh, a hundred percent. Oh, a hundred

42:03

percent. I mean, listen, I have a hard time speaking

42:06

objectively about Gabriel and a skog and you know,

42:08

the love affair. Yes. And the love affair I

42:10

have for that player, but, oh yeah, a hundred

42:12

percent Elliott for sure. Um,

42:15

okay. Anymore on Colorado before we move along? I

42:17

think we're all on the same page. Look for

42:19

them to do. I have to

42:21

think they're, they're going to, well, well, the other

42:23

thing too is, you know, and Newton got his

42:25

first career shutout the other night, right? Yes. Do

42:28

you think they're comfortable with the Newton? Is there

42:30

full time backup here? No disrespect. They

42:32

use this as a Newton, no

42:34

disrespect uses the Newton, but there's no way they can

42:36

be comfortable with this as Jeff merit. I've

42:39

got to think there's, they're still looking. I really

42:41

think they were hoping that flurry would

42:43

be out there, but that's an, and

42:45

oh, spells no. So, uh, I

42:49

don't know. I, I got to think they're still

42:51

looking. I do, even though he got that shutout,

42:53

great thing for him, first career shutout. I got

42:55

to think they're still considering it. Okay.

42:58

The Dallas stars. So they've already made,

43:00

I would argue two moves. Elliot, Chris

43:03

Tannev is one. Do you know the other? Well,

43:06

you've been banging the Nick sealer drum for

43:08

a while, right? But they've already made a

43:10

movie even before getting to Nick sealer. He,

43:12

you know what their other move feel? Oh,

43:15

Logan St. O'Hovan. Logan St. O'Hovan. Does

43:17

that not feel like a deadline

43:19

move? Like here you go. Free

43:21

awesome player. Enjoy this. You're

43:24

totally right. And they could win the

43:26

Stanley cup this year. No question. And

43:29

they're already doing the salary cap dance, you know,

43:31

send them down on the, oh yeah, bring

43:33

them back up on the game day. Like you have to

43:36

do that. That's, that's part of it. Um,

43:39

I still think they could look for

43:41

depth. I mean, they really don't have

43:43

the ability to do much because you're

43:46

almost, you have to subtract now, right?

43:48

Um, you, you ha and

43:50

I think, I think we were having a

43:52

conversation, you know, somebody was saying, well, you

43:54

could subtract maybe someone like Radik Fox, but

43:56

not if the coach is a really big

43:58

fan. And here you. think you can win

44:00

the Stanley Cup. So do

44:03

I think that Jim Nils the kind

44:05

of guy that would always fine-tune? Yeah,

44:07

yeah I do think that but there's

44:09

a limit to what you can do

44:11

and if you're already playing the cap

44:13

games because Stan Coven is making such

44:15

a big impact then you're probably staying

44:17

pretty close to Pat. I

44:20

do wonder about Selah. I think they want to get

44:22

a little nastier back there and listen

44:24

they got Tanniv and

44:28

I think that they're not they didn't get

44:30

Lebuchkin. I think you know you go down

44:32

the list of players that I think Jim

44:34

Nils Covets the types of players I think

44:36

Selah fits the bill to a tee and

44:39

I agree with you I think they could win the Stanley Cup

44:41

definitely. Minnesota wild Elliott we've

44:43

had the the ups and the

44:45

downs and the streaks and the

44:47

firings what do you make of Minnesota

44:49

at deadline? I

44:52

just think they're gonna let it play out. They're

44:55

definitely trying to extend Zach Bogosian.

44:58

They've indicated that Marc Andre Fleury is

45:01

not going to be traded. You know

45:03

somebody said to me you know don't

45:05

be stupid don't make any bold pronouncements

45:07

and you're right there

45:09

something could always change but you know

45:11

I felt better when I saw that Michael

45:14

Russo reported it when he came out and

45:16

said Fleury will not be moved after you

45:18

know we talked about it then I said

45:20

that's the official state of Minnesota seal

45:23

of approval and so you

45:25

know Fleury is gonna stay

45:27

you know definitely what

45:30

Minnesota said is they're not doing

45:32

anything short-term if there's

45:34

something bigger and bolder fine they'll consider

45:36

it but I don't think anything short-term

45:38

and I'll tell you that Duham is

45:40

a really interesting player. I

45:42

do think he's the kind of guy the teams

45:45

have looked at and if they can't

45:47

sign them or they are unable to sign them that's

45:49

a guy who's gonna crash and bang and win you a

45:52

playoff game or two so I'm not

45:54

expecting anything major out of them Especially

45:56

since now we're hearing that

45:59

Fleury. Is is not

46:01

going to be traded so I think

46:03

it's a it's it again like is

46:05

a to be acquired deadline for Minnesota.

46:08

Here's a twenty six player traded the

46:10

wild of just on a supply the

46:12

Us or distances going to be quiet

46:15

for Minnesota build guarantees wakes up and

46:17

says screw it I'm going for it's

46:19

ah, I'm stealing going for it. Ah

46:21

at the team that refuses to lose

46:24

the Nashville Predators we've talked about you

46:26

see sorrows being off the market. Ah,

46:28

you talked about them inching. Closer to

46:30

a deal with Tommy know vast, I

46:32

think that's done all but done and

46:35

it's just a matter of when they

46:37

decide to announce. Rates.

46:39

Com How much of fortune changed

46:41

and last two to three weeks

46:43

for the Natural Predators frontline because

46:45

you to take you to date,

46:48

June just turned his team around.

46:51

While yeah and and like we said

46:53

on Friday the players deserve a lot

46:55

of credit because it could have Sangster

46:58

season, it absolutely could have saved their

47:00

season and they haven't lost since then.

47:02

So what that says to me is

47:04

you gotta really professional team They're They're

47:07

pros and. And

47:10

that's a high compliment I think is the

47:12

I used to think that been called a

47:14

pro was like a bit of an insult,

47:16

but I've learned that when it comes to

47:19

Eib athletes been called a pro is like.

47:21

A big compliment because it may

47:23

it is. It indicates that you

47:25

understand what it takes to be

47:27

successful and those guys are pros.

47:30

At Ill people were telling me a

47:32

couple weeks ago you're talking about national

47:34

enough like all their guys could go

47:36

and either Now you know Novas Saros.

47:38

As you said, Novak getting dance. I

47:41

think it's possible there are going to

47:43

be more that get time. I don't

47:45

I don't think that if Iran and

47:47

I shouldn't I don't worry about shrine.

47:49

I wonder about Friend I. Just think

47:51

I just think Jeff, it's possible that Novak

47:53

isn't the only exists I don't I don't

47:56

want Donald a handicap. it's but someone just

47:58

said to me don't be surprised of know

48:00

that isn't the only extension announced this week

48:02

and we will see where it goes. Nothing

48:05

is done until it's done by it's the

48:07

your the know that thing is a big

48:09

letdown. I saw onion ring fries you mention

48:11

the Rangers I got he he was on

48:13

Vancouver's list to and I am think they

48:16

were the only ones are think there were

48:18

a few teams looking at at him by

48:20

it's your someone said to me they might

48:22

add. And

48:25

I'm like what's and the and nine

48:28

seems to be expensive bites, date they

48:30

might add the oh, the Predators zone.

48:32

All of a sudden the predators are

48:35

feeling something and you're the one thing

48:37

about Brunette as he tries to coach

48:39

our sense of hockey right? So they're

48:41

going to look to the going to

48:44

looked and it's I'll say this to.

48:46

like someone said to me this week,

48:48

there is not enough talk about Yossi

48:51

and what Yossi has done. Erica Elliott

48:53

every night. It's three points. The

48:55

Up: Every night dinner the night you look at our yoyos

48:57

you go to assist or yeah you see three A to

49:00

the so yeah Yossi to goes one assists every night. Every

49:02

night we use in. The. Great! Okay

49:05

from national we had to St.

49:07

Louis and listen, We have seen

49:09

Doug Armstrong and action in previous

49:11

deadlines The I expect him to

49:13

be active again this deadline. Agree

49:16

or disagree? I

49:18

think it over the one

49:20

thing about St. Louis' A.

49:24

Jazz. I. Have no

49:26

idea what to expect. From.

49:29

Them when I turn on a game. There's.

49:32

Times I turn on and they

49:34

look like they could beat the

49:36

nineteen seventy seven Montreal Canadians. And

49:38

there's times I. Turn. them on

49:40

and i don't think they could be the

49:42

expansion washington capitals i just don't know what

49:45

do i don't know what i'm going to

49:47

see from them on any particular night pause

49:49

for one second because i don't disagree as

49:51

most of that have watched st louis feel

49:54

the same way and we've seen we seem

49:56

teams like that you know that the conclusion

49:58

i've always come to about teams like

50:00

that that look just so like wildly

50:02

inconsistent. Whenever I see

50:05

that, my default thought is that

50:08

means they have players playing one slot

50:10

higher than they should. And sometimes

50:13

it works, but most times it doesn't.

50:16

That's what I've arrived at. My own little

50:18

nickel and dime analysis of watching hockey for

50:20

all these years. Does St. Louis feel that

50:22

way to you? There's too many guys playing

50:24

one slot above where they should be. Maybe.

50:28

I mean they have some great players, but I

50:30

think that's fair. Oh, for sure they do. Look,

50:32

I think a lot of it is on Butch

50:34

Navish. Are

50:37

they going to do that? The thing about St.

50:40

Louis is Doug Armstrong has had a lot

50:42

of guys available for some time

50:44

in the season. And obviously there's been no

50:46

nibbles, no bites, nothing

50:48

like that. But the

50:51

guys on his team that people really

50:54

want, he hasn't had those guys out

50:56

there. Well now, what's the

50:59

line we've joked about with Butch Navish,

51:01

Armstrong says, well you can ask but

51:04

you're not going to like the price. And I think that's

51:06

kind of what it is. It's

51:08

like we talked about with Vitrano earlier. The

51:10

price is out there. It's a lot. Are

51:12

you willing to pay it and make the Blues

51:15

think? And that's kind of the

51:17

way I look at it. And

51:19

other than that, I think he's

51:21

got a few guys out there. And

51:24

we'll see if anybody's

51:26

feelings change. But he's

51:29

definitely got one player who a lot of

51:31

teams like and it comes down to how

51:34

Armstrong's going to

51:36

feel over the next four or five days. How

51:39

do you think they feel about their blue line, Elliot?

51:42

I think they would change it. He's

51:45

tried to move some of those defensemen. I was going

51:47

to say, it feels like they've been trying to change

51:49

their blue line for a while. Like,

51:52

Torrey Crue goes on with the Philadelphia Flyer. And

51:57

I would imagine there's been conversations about other

52:00

guys on that back end. It's

52:02

just weird. It just feels to me like they've wanted

52:05

to do something with it for a

52:07

few years and haven't been able to. Did they

52:09

get that done at trade deadline? Who knows? We'll

52:12

see. Winnipeg Jeff. Don't forget he's got control and a

52:14

lot of those guys have control. Yes. Well,

52:17

and that's why he's still with St. Louis Blue.

52:19

Winnipeg Jeff, one of our favorite topics always

52:21

to discuss. What do you see Shovel Day

52:23

Off doing at deadline? Last year

52:25

it was Nino Niederreiter. What do you think

52:27

this time around? I

52:29

don't know that I'm expecting Winnipeg to

52:32

do very much here. They

52:34

won again on... I mean, what a huge win

52:36

on Saturday. They

52:39

finished in Carolina. They came back and

52:41

won that game. They

52:44

won Sunday night in Buffalo.

52:46

Another game they were losing, two to one,

52:48

and they came back and they won that

52:50

game. Things are going

52:53

really well for them. I would

52:55

say that the only concern is what are we

52:57

dealing with Velarde here? If

52:59

that's a problem, do you have to replace it?

53:04

Do I think maybe they've considered

53:06

defense? Yeah, I

53:08

think that's entirely possible. Also,

53:12

don't forget, they've got some good

53:14

depth defensemen in the organization. Hanela,

53:17

they've kind of talked about giving him

53:19

another opportunity because he got hurt. Capo

53:22

Bianco has been a big scorer in the American

53:24

Hockey League this year. I do

53:26

think they've at least considered the possibility of

53:28

going bigger than that. To me,

53:30

I don't know off the top

53:33

of my head that they have considered

53:36

anything much larger than

53:38

another defenseman. I

53:40

know there are fans there, they want to see

53:42

Eilers on the top line. But

53:46

if you look at their forwards and you look

53:48

at their D, there are

53:51

kind of places for everyone.

53:56

They're going to have to create more room for

53:58

profetti, but that now might be

54:00

a next season thing for

54:02

profetti to play in a scoring role. But

54:04

when you look at a Rick bonus

54:07

team, it's very

54:09

clear that he

54:11

sees roles for everyone. Almost

54:14

everyone on this team, almost everyone

54:17

has clearly defined roles and

54:19

bonus likes that. So

54:21

I would be curious to see, unless

54:24

he went out and was able to get like another D

54:26

who really moved

54:28

the needle, I would be very

54:30

curious to see how the

54:32

Jets would tamper with what

54:35

bonus has here. He seems

54:38

to really like his mix. And

54:43

hopefully you're liking this mix. We're going

54:45

to pause on our trade deadline preview.

54:48

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54:50

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54:52

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1-833-311-3232. Twain

55:35

from Anaheim. Oh, by the way, Ron had

55:37

a great line last week. He

55:40

thinks that you write all of

55:42

the weird rules questions,

55:44

but there's not different

55:46

people. And he says

55:49

that a few of the Thoughtline voice

55:51

messages sound like Brody. He

55:55

might be right. He might be right on that one. I'm just trying

55:57

to get my kids a little bit of voice action. time.

56:02

Not true Ron McLean and how

56:04

dare you question the credibility of

56:07

the Montana's Thought Line. These are

56:09

all super legit and curated by

56:11

Griffin Porter and I will have

56:14

no one denigrate the fine name

56:17

of Griffin Porter. So let's get to

56:19

it. This is Twain from Anaheim. Subject?

56:22

Knocking off the nets. Here's

56:24

what he submits. My dad is an

56:26

original season seat holder for the Ducks so I've

56:28

watched a ton of games in my life. However,

56:31

last night I was befuddled. Great use

56:33

of the word befuddled. The Anaheim Ducks

56:35

intentionally dislodged the goal while the puck

56:37

was behind the net after a scramble

56:40

with only 2.1 seconds left.

56:42

Vittrano! That's right. That's your guy. Is

56:44

he going on deadline? Smart

56:46

play I thought till they called the

56:48

penalty shot. Logically this was only because

56:51

the refs are always out to get

56:53

us, Ducks, and surely not an actual

56:55

rule. Sarcasm. Why was this a penalty

56:57

shot? First of all, I would take

56:59

exception that that was a smart play.

57:01

It was like two seconds left and

57:03

you're giving Jack Hughes a penalty shot.

57:05

Why dislodge the net? But, Elliot

57:08

as you all know, this is an actual

57:10

rule. This is

57:12

rule 63.6. Actually I

57:16

had to do some work for this one. Had to open up

57:18

the rule book. So here it is. Rule 63.6,

57:21

penalty shot. If by reason

57:24

of insufficient time in the regular

57:26

playing time or by reason of

57:28

penalties already imposed, the minor penalty

57:30

assessed to a player for deliberately

57:33

displacing his own goalpost cannot

57:35

be served in its entirety within the regular

57:37

playing time of the game or at any

57:40

time and overtime a penalty

57:42

shot shall be awarded against

57:44

the offending team. Essentially, if it's

57:47

under two minutes and you do it, it's

57:49

gonna be a penalty shot. Yes. Now

57:52

there should have been one. So

57:54

here we go. I knew you were gonna go.

57:56

I knew you were gonna do it. So I didn't

57:58

realize. this in the

58:00

Toronto by the way the Toronto Ranger game

58:03

was a great game it was just that

58:05

was great hockey but they

58:07

in overtime the LaFrennier

58:11

stepped into Mitch Marner to

58:13

break up a great scoring

58:15

chance with seven seconds left

58:17

in overtime it was a

58:19

smart play by the LaFrennier it was it was really

58:22

smart play a good good move

58:25

however there is a rule

58:27

in the rule book and Ron found it I

58:29

think it's 74.4

58:32

that if there is a deliberate too

58:34

many men or a legal substitution penalty

58:37

in overtime or with less time than

58:39

there is remaining than a penalty to

58:41

serve it's a penalty shot yeah

58:44

it should have been a penalty shot

58:46

now the one thing someone

58:48

said to me is that the word

58:51

deliberate is doing a lot of work

58:53

you could argue that that's

58:56

not deliberate although I

58:58

think it was like someone said to

59:00

me a referee or it could say

59:03

deliberate means well four guys jumping

59:05

on the ice to break up

59:08

the play that's deliberate

59:12

I mean I guess that sounds like a

59:14

good defense lawyers case to

59:17

me that was smart deliberate and it should

59:19

have been a penalty shot like you

59:22

you know my I know the Ottawa fans are

59:24

really mad about penalty shots after the one at

59:26

the end of the game in Philadelphia I'm

59:28

pro penalty shot call them make

59:30

it exciting like nobody was uninterested

59:33

when Jack Hughes was trying to

59:35

score at the end of that

59:37

game on Friday night so I'm

59:39

I'm pro penalty shot I want

59:41

to see them as much as possible I think

59:44

that I but I admit I didn't know that rule

59:47

and I'm betting that I wasn't the only one

59:49

in that building who didn't know that rule but

59:52

I would call it you know what I've I

59:55

wondered if they ever try to clean up in the rule

59:57

book around too many men if you

1:00:00

Leave the player on the ice once the call

1:00:02

has been made. Oh, would you stop with no,

1:00:04

no, no, I'm just not I'm just wondering if

1:00:06

they ever think to clean that up and come

1:00:08

up with a subsequent penalty for it if you

1:00:10

don't go Back to the bench because

1:00:12

essentially you're giving a team an extra

1:00:14

player to get possession to end

1:00:17

the delayed penalty I'm

1:00:19

just curious if they do it or not because all

1:00:21

it's gonna take is a smart coach I just mentioned

1:00:23

the next 96 podcast why don't

1:00:25

why you coming back to the bench stay

1:00:28

out there? Go get the puck. The arm

1:00:30

is up. We're already getting the call. Okay.

1:00:32

Here's a question about waivers. It's your

1:00:34

favorite topic Elliott Hunter Miller

1:00:36

has a question about waivers. He

1:00:39

submits Hey Jeff Elliott and Dom longtime

1:00:41

listener first-time writer With the

1:00:43

trade deadline around the corner. I had a question about waivers

1:00:45

Can a team pick up someone who's put

1:00:48

on waivers after the trade deadline and

1:00:50

have them be eligible to play in the playoffs?

1:00:52

For example, can the Maple Leafs wait to put

1:00:54

one of their goalies on waivers to reduce the

1:00:57

potential of someone picking them up? Because they won't

1:00:59

be eligible. Thank you and keep up the great

1:01:01

work, especially you Dom Oof

1:01:04

PS. I have secured

1:01:06

my first job in the field

1:01:08

of journalism ahead of graduating this

1:01:10

April Congratulations and couldn't have done

1:01:12

it without motivation from 32 thoughts

1:01:14

Wow Hunter Miller Well,

1:01:16

first of all hunter good luck in your career Secondly

1:01:18

as a thank you for allowing us to motivate

1:01:21

you, please don't take either one of our jobs

1:01:23

Mm-hmm. And as I always say about journalism

1:01:25

if your brother says she loves you get

1:01:28

confirmation. Good luck hunter all

1:01:30

the best now one thing

1:01:32

you should realize

1:01:34

here is that After

1:01:37

the trade deadline everything changes

1:01:39

the trade deadline is really

1:01:42

the playoff roster Deadline you

1:01:44

have to have somebody on your roster

1:01:46

to be eligible to play for your

1:01:48

team During the

1:01:51

playoffs now there can

1:01:53

still be trades after the

1:01:55

trade deadline there can But

1:01:58

that player is not eligible to

1:02:00

play for you in the playoffs.

1:02:03

And the other thing too is

1:02:05

that after the trade deadline, when

1:02:07

it comes to waivers, if

1:02:09

you're claimed

1:02:11

post-deadline, you cannot

1:02:13

play in the NHL even in the

1:02:15

regular season. So

1:02:18

that's the issue with waivers

1:02:20

after the deadline. So

1:02:23

you rarely see it, players

1:02:26

can be sent down, but you

1:02:28

rarely see anyone claimed. Unless

1:02:31

you're claiming someone for your AHL team or for

1:02:33

next year. With that, we'll wrap

1:02:35

it up. We'll get back to our trade deadline

1:02:37

preview. The Montana's Thought Line, Montana's Barbecue and Bar.

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look under your hood here

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we go metropolitan division will start

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with the Carolina hurricanes They've

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already tried to get a little frisky Elliott Yes,

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they were definitely made a legit

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offer for Pettersson and You

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know, here's the thing when it comes

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to the hurricanes Well,

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they're a really good team an

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excellent team They have withstood this

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year as they have gone through you

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could argue an actual hurricane in net

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and Frederick Anderson could

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be back this week. They've done

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a real great job considering the

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craziness in goals similar to Toronto

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Carolina can check they

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can defend they're very hard to play

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against Last year

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they reached the Eastern Conference final

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and Jeff What did they

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lose because goals are hard

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Elliott? You know, they could not score

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they could not score so

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there is not a single person who doesn't

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look at this team and say if

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they get a goal scorer they

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could win and There

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are not dumb people who work for

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the hurricanes they see the

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same thing that everybody else does now

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Carolina's history is they do

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not pay for rentals and

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That's generally been the way that they

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have operated now, it's possible again that

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they could find some

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really good depth players,

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depth scores for not the highest

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price, but, and

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again, this is other people talking, not me,

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is there going to come a day where

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the hurricanes say it

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is our time to do it. We're

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going to bend our principles and we're

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going to do it. And the years

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you bend the principles are the years where you're

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good enough to win. And to me,

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if that team went out and got,

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say, Jake Gensil, I

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think they could win the Stanley Cup. And

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the one thing, and I'll say

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this, someone called me Sunday. On

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Saturday night, I talked about Pittsburgh

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and Pittsburgh is telling teams they

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don't want picks for

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Gensil. They want prospects. That's what they

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prefer. When

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you look at the teams that have some

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of the best prospects, Carolina

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is right up there. I

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don't know if you want to argue at

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the top or near the top, but they

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are right there. And

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so will this be

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the year that Carolina bends

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their principles to try to win

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the Stanley Cup? The

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answer may be no, but

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they could win the cup with more

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scoring. See, I thought you were warming

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up to drop the name Frank Fertrano,

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who has term and fits the

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model of what Carolina looks for.

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That's a great call, Jeff. It's a

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great call. An excellent call. But

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Carolina can win the cup and they

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lost last year because they couldn't score. Now, I

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know what the Hurricanes fans are going to say.

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We didn't have Svechnikov. We didn't have Svechnikov.

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Yeah, I know. But

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still, you can never have too

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much scoring. Never ever.

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All right. From a

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buyer to a seller, the Columbus Blue Jackets, who

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have a A lot of decisions on the

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horizon here, not just who they're selling, but

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also who they're hiring in some

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key positions. Who's

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going, Elliot? Well,

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first of all, Kent Johnson, what a nightmare

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year. It's worn labrum out for the

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rest of the season. I

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think this, Jeff, I think the biggest question is,

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does Columbus wait to make its

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biggest decisions when a new manager

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takes over? For

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example, John Davidson's on with you and

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he says, Boone Jenner's not going anywhere.

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I understood, but the more I think about

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that, the more I think that if

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there is any decision to be made on Boone Jenner,

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it's not going to be made until there's a permanent

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person there. I

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think it's Murs-Likens

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if there's a move there to be made,

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it's Provirov if there's a

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move there to be made, but

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anything major that's franchise altering,

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I don't think

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they're doing that now. I think they

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punt that into the summer or

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the draft and they

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see what whoever knew in

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charge of the team decides

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to come up with. I think they're

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sticking to their plan or what was

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kind of created under Kekilainen when

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the season went sideways and

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the big decisions come in the summer.

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From Columbus to New Jersey, that was

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a really tough loss against the Los

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Angeles Kings on Sunday

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was also a tough loss against the

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Anaheim Ducks on Friday, Elliot.

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This has been a tough goal

1:09:40

for the New Jersey Devils. Really

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tough and they got smut. Anaheim

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was everything that's been their season. They outshot

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the Ducks by 31 and lost the game.

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I got to tell you, the Anaheim

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Ducks fans, they're still mad at the Toronto

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Sun. They disrespect. I respected Lucas

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Dosto once and the Leafs weren't even

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involved in the game on Friday and

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they were taking shots at the Toronto

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Sun for how great Dosto played. So

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they lose that game even though they

1:10:11

were dominating and they lose on Sunday

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and as you said earlier in the

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pod, they got completely smothered. LA

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was at their best. So

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if you saw Saturday Night Show, I

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believe the New Jersey Devils have decided that

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Jacob Markstrom is going to be their goalie.

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They hope. They hope. And

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Markstrom and if they don't get Markstrom

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done this week, they are going

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to wait to try to do it in the summer. And

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a little bit is out of their hands. This

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has to happen between Markstrom and Calgary but

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if the relationship is fractured, New

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Jersey sounds like they're willing to

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wait until this plays out and get

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them. Now

1:10:55

they can't say anything. He's not their player.

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It's tampering. But I

1:10:59

believe I have this one correct. Now,

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so if you don't see the Devils go out

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and get a goalie with term, it's because they're

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going to wait to see how this plays out

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over the next few months.

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Now I will say this. I got a

1:11:15

few DMs from Devils fans that

1:11:17

are not pleased and they

1:11:19

were good about it but they were

1:11:21

not pleased with my stance that it's

1:11:23

about losing Severson, losing

1:11:25

Graves and then Hamilton getting

1:11:27

hurt. They

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talked about Segan Thaler and Marino has

1:11:33

struggled and yeah, there's no

1:11:35

question. They're all right. My

1:11:38

point is that when your

1:11:40

defense, like to me, I think

1:11:42

one of the most important things for a team is

1:11:44

that people are

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able to handle their roles. Sometimes

1:11:51

what happens when you lose depth, people

1:11:53

are asked to go into roles that maybe

1:11:55

they will be ready for but they're not

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yet ready for. And I think.

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that's happened with New Jersey this year.

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Like to me honestly, I think

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the one thing the Devils are trying to

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tell everybody is they don't

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believe their window is closed because they're struggling

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this year. They believe their

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window is open and it's going

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to remain open for a long

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time while guys like Hescher and

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Bratt and Jack Hughes are in

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their primes. So yes, this

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year was a step back and

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yes, I think some people were pressed

1:12:29

into roles that they couldn't handle and

1:12:31

some players struggled but they

1:12:34

believe that they're still very much on

1:12:37

the upward part of their curve and

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they will address it. So we'll

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wait, I think this is not only going to be a

1:12:44

deadline thing but it's also going to be

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a summer thing. A couple of other

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things here, Tyler Tafoli, I have

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heard that they're not too eager to move them.

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That they'll take a

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chance at re-signing them. I

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think Tafoli was in LA

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obviously on the weekend. His agent is

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based in LA. I'm sure there were

1:13:07

some conversations but again,

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this to me is a tough one to call

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because I've had a couple people say to

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me that they think that Tafoli is

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more of a wish on the weekend than

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a likelihood and they wouldn't

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be surprised if Jersey takes

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their chances here. The price is

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high. So

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the indication is that A, it's a bit of

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a poker game between both New

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Jersey and the other teams, New Jersey and

1:13:36

Tafoli and also that

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they believe the preference is for New Jersey to try

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to sign them and the other thing too

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is New Jersey is going to start winning games but

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it's this whole thing where Philly, they

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righted themselves on Saturday with the win against

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Ottawa but they've been kind of wobbly and

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I believe those other teams that are chasing

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them, they don't think it's over and

1:13:57

some of them I don't think want to give up the season. season

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with five weeks to go, they still

1:14:02

think they can catch them. And

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I wonder if New Jersey is one of them, but they've

1:14:06

got to start taking care of their own business. Absolutely.

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New York Islanders, a

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really interesting team, Elliot. It's

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Lula Amarillo, so nothing's getting out. There's

1:14:20

a lot of players with a lot of

1:14:22

term. This is a team that once again

1:14:25

had high expectations. What

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did they do come deadline time here? Can

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they do anything? I'd like to tell you

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everything the Islanders are up to, but it's

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Lula Amarillo, as you said. I'm

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not expecting a sell-off. There

1:14:41

was social media noise around Brock Nelson,

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and I tried to call around and say, is

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there anything to this? Or

1:14:49

is it just noise? And

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I don't think there's anything to it. And

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I made a joke to me, I wrote in my notes that Lula

1:14:59

Amarillo would rather eat his left leg

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than trade Brock Nelson. And

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the other thing too is, if you trade

1:15:09

him, you're really changing

1:15:12

the soul of your team. So

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I just think that's talk. And

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I think you're right. I think the

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Islanders who got a

1:15:23

big win on Saturday night in

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Boston and

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finished Sunday six

1:15:31

points out of the playoffs with

1:15:33

decent math, they've got two games in hand

1:15:35

on Detroit and three on Tampa Bay, I

1:15:38

think they're going for it. Again,

1:15:41

I confess this to Islander fans who

1:15:43

want more out of me. It's

1:15:45

all speculation with Aizerman, but

1:15:49

his history is he doubles down.

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Rarely do you see him pull the chute

1:15:56

at the trade deadline, especially

1:15:58

in this kind of a situation.

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It's his history to double down. So

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I don't know if they're gonna add,

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although they've been looking for a score for some time,

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but I definitely

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don't think they're gonna break it up. I just

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don't. Alright Rangers,

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this is a team that we've talked plenty about. This

1:16:19

is a team that we've wondered about. How are they

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gonna fill the hole left

1:16:23

by Philip Heedle. I

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mentioned on my blog on Sunday

1:16:28

about the interest in Tommy Novak.

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We know they've been interested in

1:16:32

other players as they look to

1:16:34

put the final pieces on what

1:16:36

they believe is a Stanley Cup

1:16:38

quality team. What do you see

1:16:40

happening with the Rangers between now

1:16:42

and Friday? I think they're gonna add. They

1:16:46

got Jonathan Quick done on

1:16:48

Sunday. Congrats! That's great. By

1:16:50

the way, could I be a bigger idiot?

1:16:52

I was chatting with Quick after the morning

1:16:55

skate on Saturday and you think I would

1:16:57

have asked him about his contract situation or

1:16:59

anything like that? Not that he would have

1:17:01

told me, but still

1:17:04

could ask. As

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you mentioned, Novak was one of their

1:17:09

targets. If

1:17:12

you remember, Drury last

1:17:14

year he operated late. And

1:17:19

with volume. Yes, latent

1:17:21

with volume. Again, he's

1:17:23

only been a GM for a year so

1:17:26

there's not a huge book on him, but based

1:17:28

on that you're looking at, you're

1:17:31

wondering, okay, we're already four days before

1:17:33

the deadline so you're thinking okay there's

1:17:35

the possibility this could happen again. Also

1:17:38

too, like the later you go

1:17:40

the the easier it is on

1:17:42

your cap situation. You

1:17:45

know, for example, you know, he's

1:17:47

looking for a center. The

1:17:49

Blake Wheeler situation had him thinking

1:17:52

about wingers again too. He was

1:17:54

already looking for depth. So

1:17:56

like I had people saying to me

1:17:58

Blackwell who we mentioned. You know

1:18:00

who got a video tribute when he

1:18:03

went back was Kevin Rooney so

1:18:07

Kevin Rooney was someone people were kind of

1:18:09

wondering about a bit. You know the Rangers

1:18:11

know him You

1:18:13

know obviously a vitrano, but we know that's

1:18:15

a big price. You know vitrano

1:18:17

was a big price How does jury

1:18:19

feel about paying? What

1:18:22

is a big price for

1:18:24

them there? So and

1:18:26

I've mentioned Tyler Johnson before I

1:18:29

really do think that Novak was their

1:18:32

guy I think that was the

1:18:34

guy they really liked so I'm so

1:18:36

I'm trying to figure out where

1:18:38

his biggest strike is going to be

1:18:41

after that and then how

1:18:43

does he fit around that with the likes of

1:18:46

black what like is it gonna be vitrano

1:18:48

or is it gonna be someone else and

1:18:52

You know where does it go then

1:18:54

with the likes of the Rooney's the

1:18:56

Blackwell's the colic posos like

1:18:58

players like that who can fit into roles

1:19:00

because Those are the kinds

1:19:03

of guys. I think he's looking at too But

1:19:06

Novak took away Novak

1:19:08

signing or imminent signing took away the big

1:19:10

one. I think we were all kind of

1:19:12

wondering about for sure I'm

1:19:16

Speaking of wondering about we've wondered all

1:19:18

season long about the Philadelphia Flyers and

1:19:20

was this a mirage? It's not This

1:19:23

is a good team. This is a team that's tucked

1:19:25

into a playoff spot yet This is a team that

1:19:27

might be subtracting from the lineup Elliott

1:19:30

we wonder again about Walker. We

1:19:32

wonder about sealer Do

1:19:34

they get traded do they resign?

1:19:36

What is Daniel Breyer have up

1:19:38

his sleeve? How do you

1:19:40

see Philadelphia around this time and is there a

1:19:42

chance that they do? Nothing.

1:19:46

Well, I'll say this Philly

1:19:49

might actually do a little bit of adding Hmm

1:19:54

and and this to me is the real tell

1:19:58

and I'm not talking about big

1:20:00

ads unless it's like a

1:20:03

player that's gonna be there for a long

1:20:05

time like I do think Philly has taken

1:20:07

a look at Zegreus I

1:20:09

just don't know that they have what

1:20:12

Anaheim wants I don't know if

1:20:14

there's a fit there or that they're willing to

1:20:16

pay what Anaheim wants

1:20:18

I I don't know that there's a

1:20:20

match there but I think they looked at it but

1:20:25

I think Philly there's a little bit

1:20:27

here you know

1:20:30

you can see by the way that Torella is coaching

1:20:33

he's gone after Cam Atkinson this week he's

1:20:35

gone after Sean Couturier and he's gone after

1:20:37

Bobby Brink like he

1:20:40

doesn't discriminate against veterans

1:20:42

or rookies and

1:20:44

that says boy he wants to

1:20:46

make the playoffs and they you

1:20:48

know those players they do too

1:20:50

I have wondered

1:20:52

if Philly takes a couple of small

1:20:55

looks at goal and maybe a veteran

1:20:57

forward cheap inexpensive

1:21:00

price like that's why

1:21:02

Martin Jones is not on waivers in

1:21:04

Toronto because they know someone like Philly

1:21:06

he's not getting by them and I've

1:21:08

heard they're looking for an inexpensive and

1:21:11

not high priced veteran forward

1:21:13

too so they're

1:21:16

looking you know

1:21:18

Walker I think that's it's

1:21:21

poker you've got Danny Breair

1:21:23

is playing poker with both the other

1:21:25

teams and the agents Sean Walker

1:21:27

I think he wants a fifth year Nick

1:21:30

Seeler I think his number

1:21:32

is a little bit higher than

1:21:34

Philly's willing to go and nobody's budging

1:21:37

yet so where I said

1:21:39

this a thousand times that's what I think

1:21:41

that's the game I think Breair is playing who's

1:21:44

budging who's sticking to what they do

1:21:47

and if everybody sticks to their positions

1:21:49

then it's Breair's choice what do we

1:21:51

do here and I think he's still

1:21:54

trying to figure that out Lawton

1:21:56

that's another one I've heard the price

1:21:59

is high I just, I've

1:22:02

heard it's more likely than not that

1:22:04

he stays, but again, I'm freely

1:22:07

willing to admit that I could be wrong about

1:22:09

that. So, but I've

1:22:11

heard the price is really high on Lawton. I

1:22:14

just heard on Sunday as I was making my

1:22:16

calls, Philly's true

1:22:18

desire here, if

1:22:20

you see them go get an

1:22:22

inexpensive and low cost goalie or

1:22:24

an inexpensive and low cost forward,

1:22:27

they've decided they're going for the

1:22:29

playoffs. It's going to be

1:22:31

a big week for the Philadelphia Flyers, it

1:22:33

sounds like, no matter what they do. This

1:22:36

has been one of the more intriguing teams

1:22:38

around the NHL, one of the more surprise

1:22:40

teams around the NHL, Nashville to the West,

1:22:43

Philadelphia to the East. What

1:22:45

about the Pens? A team we wondered

1:22:47

about going back to last season. The

1:22:50

band, as we know, together, they've

1:22:52

added Eric Carlson. It hasn't gone

1:22:54

as they would have liked it

1:22:57

to have gone, despite the fact

1:22:59

that Sidney Crosby seems determined

1:23:01

to push this ball up

1:23:03

the deepest of hills almost

1:23:05

by himself. What do you

1:23:07

see Dubas doing? I think, well, look, they

1:23:11

awful loss in Calgary on Saturday

1:23:13

night. A

1:23:16

really tough loss. The

1:23:20

Flames, what's

1:23:22

the old line? Unfortunately, they snatched defeat from

1:23:24

the jaws of victory. They

1:23:29

had them and they lost. Then

1:23:31

they lost in northern Alberta on

1:23:35

Sunday night to Edmonton. Look,

1:23:38

we can see the writing on

1:23:40

the wall here. He's

1:23:44

going to move, guys. The

1:23:49

obvious ones, he's not going to move. He

1:23:53

went to Brian Rust and told

1:23:55

Brian Rust that they're not

1:23:57

even going to ask him to wave his no move

1:23:59

clause. He's hurt. but teams would take him and

1:24:03

Gensil's gonna get moved here I think. You

1:24:05

know on Saturday I said what are the chances

1:24:09

that they go back to Gensil and sign

1:24:11

him and I had people saying to

1:24:13

me like 95.5 he gets traded so it's a major offset

1:24:18

at this time if he signs.

1:24:20

So where are we

1:24:22

looking at here? We're looking at Vegas,

1:24:27

we're looking at Carolina, we're

1:24:30

looking at Florida, we're

1:24:32

looking at Edmonton, we're

1:24:34

looking at Vancouver with all the

1:24:36

caveats I've mentioned in all of

1:24:38

these teams. What

1:24:40

I'm curious about here young

1:24:42

Jeffrey is does Gensil

1:24:44

get permission or do teams get permission

1:24:47

to talk to Gensil. Now

1:24:50

the reason I asked that is two

1:24:52

things. Number one you

1:24:57

get a better return if you trade for

1:24:59

him and number two

1:25:01

while I think it's unlikely I

1:25:06

have wondered if teams that are out

1:25:09

of the playoffs this year but

1:25:11

wish to be in the playoffs next

1:25:13

year would ask for the

1:25:15

opportunity to talk to him. I

1:25:18

don't think that's impossible. Do

1:25:21

you see them doing anything with

1:25:23

their net minding? I do.

1:25:25

I you know I mentioned it last

1:25:27

I think there's some interest in the

1:25:29

Delkovich especially. I think

1:25:31

it's less likely it would be

1:25:33

Jari but I've heard that there's

1:25:35

been some interest in

1:25:37

the Delkovich and it would not surprise

1:25:40

me at all if he was traded.

1:25:43

Alright 2005-2006

1:25:47

season Elliott NHL

1:25:50

comes out of the lockout. There's

1:25:53

a shiny new logo, there's a

1:25:55

new rules package, there's a couple

1:25:57

of new stars to market the

1:25:59

game around. I just mentioned

1:26:01

Sidney Crosby and the Pittsburgh Penguins a couple of

1:26:03

seconds ago and as we

1:26:05

found out in a very interesting

1:26:07

Brian McClellan press conference, for

1:26:10

the first time since Alexander Ovechkin joined

1:26:12

the Washington Capitals in the NHL, it

1:26:15

sounds like the Capitals are taking a

1:26:18

slight retreat now for the first

1:26:20

time since Ovechkin's been there. First

1:26:22

of all, your thoughts on, well, we

1:26:24

should mention you have Gennie Kuznetsov as

1:26:26

well, your thoughts on, Kuznetsov being waved

1:26:28

to Hershey and also what we

1:26:30

heard from Brian McClellan on Saturday. Well,

1:26:33

obviously the first thing you say is

1:26:35

you hope he's alright. He

1:26:38

was cleared to practice on Saturday and like

1:26:41

I don't think it was discussed on like when

1:26:45

he returned, let's get him

1:26:47

a fresh start. I think that had been

1:26:49

discussed a while ago. So

1:26:51

the Capitals just looked at let's just

1:26:53

do that. Earlier

1:26:55

in the season, like I don't think these

1:26:57

conversations were held just as he was coming

1:26:59

out of the program and was eligible to

1:27:01

turn to practice. I think these conversations were

1:27:03

earlier in the year. The

1:27:06

Capitals and Kuznetsov and his

1:27:08

representatives were

1:27:11

engaged in conversations about starting

1:27:13

over and the

1:27:15

Capitals have decided to go through with

1:27:17

that now that

1:27:20

he's returned to the organization. I

1:27:22

don't think anybody was surprised he cleared waivers.

1:27:26

And I think that the question is going to

1:27:28

be what happens next. And like I said, first

1:27:30

of all, you just hope he's alright. He's

1:27:36

got 7.8 million due next season. And

1:27:39

if he was tradable, it would have

1:27:41

already happened. And don't

1:27:44

forget the closest it came as far as we

1:27:46

know was last year

1:27:48

at the draft, Nashville and Washington

1:27:50

were discussing a Kuznetsov- for Matt

1:27:53

Duchain deal that fell

1:27:55

apart and then Nashville bought out Duchain.

1:27:58

And one of the reasons Nashville was concerned... considering Kuznetsov

1:28:00

is because Barry Trots is there,

1:28:03

who Kuznetsov won a Stanley Cup within

1:28:06

Washington and played great. Now

1:28:08

I would

1:28:10

expect that there'll be a buyout in the off

1:28:13

season if it gets there, but

1:28:15

I was talking about this with someone

1:28:18

on Saturday afternoon and

1:28:20

he brought up the name Philip Zadina.

1:28:23

Oh! And

1:28:25

I said wow, I mean like that's

1:28:27

a lot of money to walk away from. Big

1:28:30

chunk of change. Wow

1:28:32

Elliot. Like Zadina walked

1:28:34

away from a few

1:28:36

million dollars. Which was five. It's five million

1:28:39

bucks. A bold, bold

1:28:42

decision that everybody talked about.

1:28:45

So Kuznetsov was to get bought out. The

1:28:49

two million signing bonus, you get that

1:28:51

no matter what. A buyout does not

1:28:53

affect that. That's why so many players

1:28:55

structure their contract this way with signing

1:28:57

bonuses later in their deals because they're

1:29:00

buyout proof. He's getting that Kuznetsov no

1:29:02

matter what. A

1:29:04

buyout will cost

1:29:06

him two million of

1:29:08

the six million in salary he's owed. So

1:29:14

he'll get four million dollars. So

1:29:19

he will get two million signing bonus plus

1:29:22

four million cash over two years

1:29:26

if he gets bought out. If

1:29:29

the contract is terminated, he

1:29:31

loses everything. So

1:29:35

you have to show a way

1:29:38

that a team could

1:29:40

sign Kuznetsov in

1:29:42

a place he wants to go where he's

1:29:45

going to say, okay, I'll

1:29:48

walk away from that money or

1:29:50

that buyout. It's

1:29:52

hard to see it. I don't

1:29:54

know what team that could possibly

1:29:56

be Elliot. Or maybe Kuznetsov is

1:29:58

like Zadina, he just says. I

1:30:00

want to play but that's a

1:30:03

lot of money to walk away from. Like

1:30:05

it is. But

1:30:07

I felt I had the responsibility to

1:30:09

mention it simply because

1:30:11

it's a

1:30:14

possibility and someone was talking it with me.

1:30:16

I would say it's unlikely but you got

1:30:18

to mention it. Sure.

1:30:21

Capital is on the move.

1:30:23

Meanwhile, we've talked about Nick

1:30:25

Dowd. We've talked about Anthony

1:30:27

Mansa. How do you see the caps between now

1:30:30

and Friday? I

1:30:33

think Nick Jensen is another one who's had a

1:30:35

few people look at him. I think the

1:30:37

Lees are one of the teams that looked at Nick

1:30:40

Jensen. Edmondson's

1:30:42

had a few

1:30:44

people around on him. Jensen

1:30:48

is a couple more years after this one. So

1:30:50

that's I don't know how teams view that

1:30:52

if they do view that well or not.

1:30:54

I'll tell you this. I think the Capitals

1:30:56

have also discussed goaltending because they have a

1:30:59

kid, Clay Stevenson, who is

1:31:01

ready soon. He's

1:31:03

given the we've got to get younger quote. So

1:31:06

and Dowd. Dowd

1:31:10

is another one. They've put him

1:31:12

in the bubble just to keep him

1:31:14

safe. And

1:31:17

you know, he's another guy that definitely

1:31:19

there is interest in. So they have

1:31:21

players that that people

1:31:23

are looking at. It's

1:31:26

just you know, basically, it's going to

1:31:28

come down to preference how people feel

1:31:30

about Oh, another name that people mentioned

1:31:32

to me was Beck Malenstein, who's got

1:31:34

16 points this year and 58 games.

1:31:37

He's making 762. A

1:31:41

couple people told me like, don't be surprised

1:31:43

if teams have

1:31:45

poked around him as well. How

1:31:50

deep do you think this goes? Like this

1:31:52

is this is new territory for the Washington

1:31:54

Capitals. I think they'd like to have some

1:31:56

flexibility this summer. I think how

1:31:58

much of a step. back because

1:32:00

we're not used to this out of the

1:32:02

caps, right? It's always been like the penguins,

1:32:05

they have Crosby, Washington has Ovechkin, it's full

1:32:07

steam ahead. I think they want to create

1:32:09

some flexibility. Like I

1:32:11

think Washington has been around, has been

1:32:13

doing their research on guys who might

1:32:15

be available this summer. I

1:32:17

really do think they want to kind of change up

1:32:19

their mix. Like, you know,

1:32:22

for example, I've talked now like Hannafin, I

1:32:24

think he's a Tampa Bay guy,

1:32:26

like that's his preference, but I think Washington's

1:32:28

been around there. I

1:32:30

think they want to change themselves a little bit.

1:32:35

All right, we'll see how how much

1:32:37

they end up changing themselves by Friday.

1:32:39

Okay, so that's the Metropolitan, we're finishing

1:32:41

up with the Atlantic and we'll start

1:32:43

with an intriguing team as well.

1:32:45

And that is the Boston Bruins, a team that you can

1:32:47

look at and say, you know what, they

1:32:50

have a chance to win the Stanley Cup here. They probably

1:32:52

had a chance to win the Stanley Cup last season, but

1:32:54

they ran into the Florida Panthers. Your thoughts on what

1:32:56

Sweeney wants to do here and what do

1:32:59

you think he can accomplish by Friday? As

1:33:02

I said earlier in the pod, I think Boston

1:33:04

has a chance to be one of the really

1:33:07

fascinating teams. There's

1:33:09

a decent chance we're headed towards

1:33:12

another Boston Toronto series, another

1:33:15

seven games of Marshand Mayhem.

1:33:18

You're going to see a preview on Monday. And we're going

1:33:20

to see a preview on Monday night on Monday

1:33:22

Night Hockey. Look, they don't

1:33:24

have a lot of picks to

1:33:27

move. They've they've gone, they've

1:33:30

sold all those off. But

1:33:34

the word, the two words I've heard,

1:33:36

the two word phrase I've heard with

1:33:38

Boston is hockey trades.

1:33:41

And you know what that means, Jeff? Body's

1:33:43

going. Body's. Now, I think

1:33:45

they're looking for some depth, but

1:33:49

I've definitely heard the phrase hockey

1:33:51

trades tied in with the

1:33:53

Bruins. Now, and you look through their

1:33:55

roster and you

1:33:58

know, like. Jake de Brosk,

1:34:01

I really don't like talking about him

1:34:03

because of the obvious family connection. He's

1:34:06

an unrestricted free agent. You

1:34:10

take a look at some of the other guys.

1:34:12

Grizzlix a free agent. There's

1:34:16

a lot of noise around

1:34:18

Allmark. Now one thing

1:34:21

about Allmark to know is

1:34:23

that he has a

1:34:26

half league no trade. During

1:34:31

the middle of a season,

1:34:33

especially if you're leaving a really good team,

1:34:35

it's hard

1:34:37

to see players agreeing

1:34:40

to that, right? I

1:34:45

don't have any insight on

1:34:47

what Allmark might be thinking, but

1:34:50

it has been hinted to me by some

1:34:52

other teams in the league that

1:34:55

in mid-season it's

1:34:57

going to be tough to get Allmark

1:35:00

to alter his list. So

1:35:02

if that's real, and

1:35:04

I do think the Bruins have at least

1:35:07

investigated it, it's got

1:35:09

to be somewhere he's already willing to go.

1:35:15

So I just think the

1:35:17

Bruins are considering

1:35:19

some things with roster players.

1:35:23

And we'll see

1:35:26

where it goes here. But I

1:35:29

don't know what I want to put the percentages on

1:35:31

here, but

1:35:34

they're looking for centers. I

1:35:38

think they do something on their blue

1:35:40

line. They've

1:35:45

got three UFA's on their blue line. And

1:35:49

in a weird goaltending market, they've got

1:35:51

a chip if they wanted to play

1:35:53

that's a really good chip, although they

1:35:55

don't have full control over the situation.

1:36:00

least I think they've been weighing

1:36:02

some things for quite

1:36:05

some time. Could

1:36:08

Hannafin be a fit here? Again

1:36:13

he's declared where he'd like to go.

1:36:16

Absolutely he's a fit. Absolutely

1:36:19

he is. But the

1:36:23

Bruins have to be in the game. Alright

1:36:28

a team where we expect some exits where

1:36:31

at the beginning of the season we thought they're going

1:36:33

to take the big leap forward and that is the

1:36:35

Buffalo Sabres. Whether it is

1:36:37

players on expiring contracts like Kyle

1:36:39

Pozo or

1:36:42

Eric Johnson I suspect that Kevin Adams

1:36:44

will be a busy general manager this

1:36:46

week. Elliot? Yeah

1:36:48

I do wonder about Casey Middlestadt too. Again

1:36:50

I know I keep pounding that drum but

1:36:52

I still wonder about it. I

1:36:55

think the UFAs go. That's

1:36:57

likely. I

1:37:01

believe that Adams has indicated

1:37:03

that the heavy surgery

1:37:05

will likely come in the summer.

1:37:10

You know again I

1:37:12

could always be wrong. I could always

1:37:14

be fooled. But

1:37:17

I believe if he's going to change

1:37:19

a bigger piece like for like I

1:37:21

don't think he's against it. That's

1:37:24

the one thing that people have indicated. He's

1:37:27

not saying no but what

1:37:29

he is saying is you've got to give me

1:37:31

a real good reason to do

1:37:33

it now. So

1:37:36

that's where we are with him. I

1:37:39

was talking to a few people who heard

1:37:41

our take on Middlestadt that you're getting close

1:37:43

to bleep or get off the pot territory

1:37:46

with him and that's true but

1:37:48

they still have time to do it in

1:37:50

the off season. And

1:37:53

I think that's kind of what Adams

1:37:56

I've heard has indicated. Give him

1:37:58

a reason to do it now. And

1:38:00

so I don't know if anyone's going to

1:38:02

step up and do that. The

1:38:06

Detroit Red Wings, Elliott, a team

1:38:08

that made the big slash by

1:38:11

signing Patrick Kane. I don't think either of us

1:38:13

think for one second though, the Steve Eisenman is

1:38:15

going to remain quiet this week,

1:38:17

knowing where the Red Wings are and knowing

1:38:20

how much playoffs mean in Motown. You

1:38:23

know what someone said to me on Saturday

1:38:26

that could lead to maximum

1:38:28

carnage? Ooh, what's that?

1:38:32

Well, Toronto

1:38:35

is looking for a right

1:38:38

shot defender. You know

1:38:40

who's available? Justin Hall? Yep.

1:38:47

Yeah, that could be some maximum carnage right there.

1:38:49

You know, like, first of all- They brought back

1:38:51

Lebuch, and now they're going to bring back Justin

1:38:53

Hall? First of all, he

1:38:56

got a rough ride

1:38:58

here that he really didn't deserve.

1:39:00

Holy crap. He played

1:39:02

really hard for Toronto, and he's a better

1:39:04

player than he got credit for. Like

1:39:08

depending on what Detroit was willing to do here, I

1:39:11

just kind of thought about it. It

1:39:14

blew my mind, the possibility of

1:39:16

it occurring. Detroit

1:39:20

is looking to clear up some

1:39:22

space. My

1:39:27

Gantzel theory, I don't know.

1:39:30

It fits, but people make a

1:39:32

great point that it's

1:39:34

not like Eisenman to give players like

1:39:36

that seven year extensions. I

1:39:38

do think Detroit has

1:39:41

been doing- like they re-signed

1:39:43

Rasmussen. I do

1:39:45

think Detroit's been doing their work on

1:39:47

Raymond and Cider. Like

1:39:50

that shouldn't surprise anybody.

1:39:53

It's not exactly a big scoop, but I

1:39:55

do think Detroit's working at those so they

1:39:57

know exactly what they're going to be

1:39:59

dealing with. with. All

1:40:02

of that said, a couple

1:40:05

things for them. You have talked about Dee.

1:40:07

I agree with you there. I have

1:40:10

wondered about their left side and

1:40:13

I'll say this as

1:40:16

Alex Lyon saved their season but

1:40:22

I wonder if he's looking at a goalie. He's

1:40:25

got three. I wonder

1:40:29

if there's anything better. Well,

1:40:32

you know, somebody would go out. I get

1:40:34

that you're trying to improve certainly but my

1:40:38

main thing there is a star

1:40:40

leader defenseman as I'm told. Well

1:40:43

I know you said that and I don't think you're wrong and

1:40:46

he wants to clear up a bit of the

1:40:48

log jam on the line. There's no question but

1:40:51

I have kind of wondered

1:40:54

if Iserman would do that. I

1:40:56

like when you do Max Carnage theories. Okay,

1:41:00

Florida Panthers, they

1:41:02

don't have a lot to bargain away

1:41:04

and they don't have a lot of

1:41:07

room to bring players

1:41:09

in but it's not like Bill Zito

1:41:11

just to, you know, keep

1:41:13

his bat on his shoulder. No,

1:41:16

I think they're gonna try. They have

1:41:18

cap room. Yeah, they do. Like,

1:41:21

you know, there were some reports

1:41:23

on the weekend about Hannafin. I got mixed

1:41:25

messaging on that. Like to

1:41:27

me it makes a lot of sense

1:41:29

because if they're going to lose people

1:41:32

on their blue line, he's a good ad.

1:41:34

He's a good player. They

1:41:37

have some things to clear up there

1:41:42

but I had other people who say to me

1:41:44

they really like their blue line and if they

1:41:46

spend their money or their capital they're gonna add

1:41:49

another forward. Like that's a

1:41:51

team that's around on the better forwards. The

1:41:55

Tarasenkos, the Gensils,

1:41:58

those kinds of players. the

1:42:00

to foley's if he's available. That's

1:42:06

something that Florida is considered as

1:42:09

well. So I'm mixed

1:42:11

on the Hannafin. I

1:42:13

absolutely believe the forward. I think

1:42:17

the thing is, does Florida get any

1:42:19

business done this week? I

1:42:22

think they'd like to get Forsling done.

1:42:26

That's been a battle. They'd

1:42:28

like to get Forsling done. There

1:42:31

are a lot of teams out there that really like

1:42:33

Forsling by the way. Why not? I've learned that. I've

1:42:36

heard, I don't know how close

1:42:38

it is, but I've heard

1:42:40

there is a deal to get done with

1:42:44

Reinhardt. That I

1:42:47

don't know if it's, like again, I

1:42:49

don't know how close it is. That's

1:42:51

got to be Whopper Elliott. Well it

1:42:54

is, but I think it's going to

1:42:56

be under Kachuk. When someone

1:42:58

says to me there's a deal to

1:43:00

be done, that means that whether it's

1:43:02

close or not, both the

1:43:04

team and the agent understand what

1:43:06

everybody wants here, right? And

1:43:10

they don't think it's impossible. So

1:43:12

that's the word I've gotten on

1:43:15

him. Montour, it

1:43:17

seemed like it's a little bit slower,

1:43:20

but I would

1:43:23

say that it seems like it's

1:43:25

been a little bit slower, but

1:43:28

things can change fast and

1:43:30

he's such a huge part of them. Like

1:43:33

to me, when I watched

1:43:35

them last year, like he

1:43:38

was one of

1:43:40

their emotional cornerstones, if not their

1:43:42

emotional cornerstone, I think

1:43:44

Florida would look kind of different without

1:43:47

him in their lineup. Now ultimately

1:43:49

that's the Panthers choice to make.

1:43:52

And if they don't keep them,

1:43:54