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2:03

Between the Maristow area and Las Vegas,

2:05

I mean there's just thousands of square

2:07

miles of desert. Leaserhurst

2:11

could have been anywhere in this massive

2:13

desert in San Bernardino County. Talk

2:18

to T1. Okay, go ahead. There were

2:20

hundreds of people and an extensive amount

2:22

of resources that were utilized to try

2:24

to search for Leaser. My

2:31

mom was very pretty and full of life. My

2:36

daughter, Leaserhurst, turned out to

2:39

be a great mom with this two girls. Before

2:42

Leaserhurst's disappearance, she became involved in

2:44

a relationship. Leaserhurst

2:46

believed that Jamie Chappellis was a great

2:48

guy and that he'd fall in love

2:50

with her and her two children. He

2:53

just reminded me of a person that wanted to be with

2:55

kids all the time. Jamie

2:59

Chappellis said he was a combat veteran

3:01

in both Iraq and Afghanistan. She

3:07

wanted to marry Jamie Chappellis and

3:09

become a family with Jamie. January

3:14

22, 2009, Leaserhurst took her daughter

3:16

to school. After

3:23

dropping her daughter off at school, she just vanished. I

3:29

was just devastated and scared. Leaser

3:33

became missing and we went out looking for her. And

3:36

we kept looking for her. You should

3:38

already all be assigned to a search team. We're going

3:40

to work on Leaser. It

3:45

was a very large-scale search. Numerous

3:49

foot searches with a hundred people just stretched out

3:51

in a line. Really

3:53

dedicated to try to help the family find. Leaser.

3:58

I was hoping and playing. It

4:00

was a nightmare for us to be out there looking. I

4:04

know that I cried a lot. In

4:10

my investigation I found no one that

4:12

could say anything negative about Lisa.

4:15

I was wondering who could have done something to

4:17

her. Could you think of

4:19

anyone who would have wanted to harm her?

4:22

No. Lisa's

4:25

first disappearance didn't make sense to us

4:27

until we learned of the... Lies

4:30

and deception. All the lies. Lies. In

4:33

this case it's about deception. None

4:36

of it was true. House of Cards, if you

4:38

will, is getting ready to fall. Living a double life. Diabolical,

4:41

absolutely evil is what I call

4:44

evil. Man's sword, taken

4:47

to their grave. Body

4:51

of lies. A

5:25

A A

5:29

A A

5:33

A A A

5:40

Jamie Chiapula seemed to have lived

5:42

quite the amazing life. Highlighted

5:46

by military combat from

5:49

Afghanistan to Iraq. He

5:52

even had a photo of the elite Ranger unit

5:54

he had served in. It

5:56

all appealed to single mom, Lisa

5:58

Hirt. her father,

6:00

Lynn. I was

6:02

impressed with him because of my

6:04

military background. Did you like this

6:07

guy? You seem like a very nice man, very

6:09

nice man. A man who

6:11

sensed Lisa's kids, Ashlyn and

6:13

Tyler, with a way to her heart.

6:16

He knew like our jokes and stuff and

6:18

he'd give us gifts and stuff

6:21

and he'd get stuff from

6:23

Mom. Did you think

6:25

that your daughter was in love with this guy?

6:27

Yeah, she was. Okay,

6:30

Ashlyn, maybe so. Lisa

6:32

was a graduate student living in Barstow,

6:34

California. The

6:37

mother of two young girls had lived 31

6:40

years without making an enemy.

6:46

That's why in the hours after she went

6:49

missing in January 2009, it made no sense

6:51

at all. All

6:54

right. Lisa

7:01

grew up surrounded by love and

7:03

the safety and security of close

7:05

family. Those were

7:07

the gifts Lynn and Debbie

7:10

and her older brother, Walden, gave the little

7:12

girl. Happy-go-lucky, always

7:15

smiling. I

7:18

think what really set off her personality

7:20

was her deep blue eyes. Girlie

7:23

Girl, her little bit of a tomboy was born.

7:25

Tomboy. Yes, she was. She

7:30

played baseball. She was

7:32

very good. Home

7:36

was the endless, starkly

7:38

beautiful desert outside Barstow.

7:41

Lynn was a Vietnam vet, a

7:43

working man. Debbie

7:46

worked as a medical assistant. It was a

7:48

nice place to raise kids. But

7:50

Lisa wasn't a kid for very long.

7:53

Outgoing or shy? Outgoing. And

7:58

then just blossomed into a beautiful woman. and

8:00

I thought. She

8:04

was an adventurous teenager and

8:06

Lisa struggled to manage all the

8:08

newfound attention from the boys. She

8:11

was unlucky at love, starting

8:13

with her high school boyfriend,

8:15

Jesse Poveronica. So when

8:18

she came home and told you she was pregnant, what was

8:20

your reaction? I wanted to

8:22

strangle her, but there's not much you can

8:24

do and I realized that you gotta be

8:26

there for your kids. The last thing

8:28

is she was a baby. Baby

8:31

Ashlyn was born. I

8:33

told her I'd be there and I

8:36

was. Lisa's family was

8:38

incredibly supportive and this

8:40

teenager worked hard at being a good

8:42

mom, even after she

8:44

and her boyfriend broke up. She

8:47

was a little scared at first, but

8:49

real life, you know, she's bringing a

8:51

life into the world and she's

8:54

accepting it. Hi,

8:56

my Ashlyn. She

8:58

was really proud of her. She's very...

9:00

Oh my gosh. There

9:04

would be another relationship. It's

9:07

a cross country truck driver, Reuben

9:09

de Leon. Ashlyn!

9:12

It was serious, lasting almost five

9:14

years and then she got

9:17

pregnant again. Yeah. There's

9:19

your new sister. Then Tyler

9:22

arrived. Lisa

9:25

and Reuben seemed ready to be a

9:27

real family. Go, Daddy,

9:29

Tyler! I

9:35

thought they were gonna get married. I thought Reuben

9:37

and Lisa were gonna settle down and

9:39

have a family. Lisa

9:44

even bought a wedding dress. But

9:48

that didn't work out, so it

9:50

tore her apart. That was hard for her. Yeah. She

9:53

tore it up. She took the scissors to it and

9:55

to the dress, to the dress afterwards. She

9:58

was so devastated. So

10:01

in 2005, Lisa became a

10:03

single mother again, trying

10:06

to make it all work for

10:08

Ashlyn, then eight, and Tyler,

10:10

who was only five. She

10:13

was our mother that

10:15

took good care of us, and

10:18

she taught us a lot. Under

10:22

the desert sky, the three girls

10:24

settled down. And

10:30

began repeating the precious rituals

10:32

of family that Lisa had learned

10:34

as a child. What

10:39

kind of mom was she? I

10:43

don't think you could find a better

10:46

person for her situation.

10:49

Raising two girls. They

10:52

were very well brought

10:54

up. Lisa Hurst,

10:57

along with her two daughters,

10:59

was finally growing up. She

11:03

would attend Barstow College with plans to

11:05

become a teacher. Did

11:08

you feel like once she went back to

11:10

college that she was kind

11:12

of finally on track? Yeah. But

11:15

life without a partner was lonely

11:18

and difficult for Lisa. Tyler,

11:20

go get your pitties on. She really

11:22

wanted to get married, I think, and settle down and

11:24

have a family and someone to actually

11:26

be there for her and be

11:29

part of her life. Then

11:31

in October 2006 at

11:33

Barstow College, she met

11:35

fellow student Jamie Chiapolis.

11:38

And before long, she said, okay, do

11:40

you want to go meet my

11:43

new boyfriend? Jamie Chiapolis was

11:45

anything but a typical student.

11:48

He was a 34-year-old war hero

11:50

and a cancer survivor. He

11:52

had a big house, a big heart,

11:55

and as far as Lisa could

11:57

tell, Chiapolis was single and

11:59

a veil of love. The ball. Obviously she wanted

12:01

him to the in her life

12:03

and. Jamie. She'll Blues wounded Lisa

12:06

in his life. She graduated

12:08

and they were set to

12:10

finally become a family. The

12:12

kids and their single mom. Were

12:15

thrilled and I really thought

12:17

that she it sounds right

12:19

person. So in January. Two

12:21

thousand nine a new life seem

12:23

to be truly dawning for Lisa

12:25

and her two girls. That's why

12:28

would happen next Was such a

12:30

surprise to Leases family. Priest.

12:36

Loses car. Had been sounds

12:39

fifty miles south. In

12:42

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12:46

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13:04

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13:06

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managed. On January twenty second,

14:28

Two Thousand Nine. And

14:32

police told her parents that report

14:34

has been sound abandoned. Her

14:37

parents knew something was very.

14:39

Wrong. The car was nuts. I

14:41

said is said and then set.

14:44

Leases father immediately calls her

14:46

apartment and learn from his

14:48

granddaughters Aslan Twelve and Tyler

14:51

Nine. That Lisa had not

14:53

come home the previous evening. She'd

14:56

never really had satellites into space, school

14:58

and and home. So.

15:00

Where could Lisa be? The

15:03

last person to have contact with her

15:05

was her boyfriend. Jamie. T en

15:07

plus. Who. That Thursday afternoon

15:09

of leases disappearance had to dump

15:11

her daughter Tyler from school. While.

15:14

Aslan walk home alone. As

15:17

airways long any said. Hide

15:19

so. She was told

15:21

Tyler that her mother was here

15:23

at the University of Laverne in

15:26

Victor Valley, where Lisa occasionally to

15:28

graduate classes. The later

15:30

at night the she took later classes

15:32

that night she ah plus got the

15:34

girls settled in. And. He even

15:36

picked up dinner nine just I like

15:38

to know or stuff like homework and

15:41

then he left. Knee so

15:43

rarely less the girls home alone. but

15:45

when she did she would always call

15:47

to speak with them. Would she have

15:49

gone out with girlfriends and partied all

15:51

my. The snow away

15:53

places. To was. And

15:58

that. Is when her to live. Girls that

16:00

scared when I was having a

16:03

start out and he got. Ten

16:06

are scared. Detected

16:09

Keith Libby from the bar still

16:11

police department. Of in

16:13

the investigation into the disappearance of

16:16

Lisa Hers. Her oldest daughter's

16:18

for years my I ever saw

16:20

so it was pretty was pretty

16:22

difficult. For from the very

16:25

beginning every saying about leases

16:27

case we suspicious from the

16:29

location where her car was

16:31

found. She had no connection to that area. To

16:34

What a boyfriend! Jamie Chiapas told

16:37

Detectives Libby the first time

16:39

they met. He was

16:41

saying that they weren't actually engaged. With

16:43

he basically denying. That.

16:45

They had a relationship. To is so

16:47

absolutely. In fact, Chiapas dropped

16:49

a bombshell, selling decisively be he

16:52

was actually married to a woman

16:54

in the army who moved out

16:56

of state. Insisted make

16:58

sense when I water wells exodus

17:00

because of. That

17:03

was no surprise to this

17:05

woman and dated she antholis

17:07

a lifetime ago. I

17:09

think it's very possible that he hurt

17:11

somebody. Jamie teacher

17:13

or lives in Georgia two thousand

17:15

miles away from Lisa Hirst. But

17:18

some the two young women ever

17:20

met, Jamie would have cautioned Lisa

17:22

to stay far away from to

17:24

ya. I was sixteen

17:26

year old girl and you know, impressionable

17:29

young. It was ninety ninety

17:31

two and loves it for

17:33

side. As Youtube Hall rock

17:35

star. Long long hair, To

17:38

Ya Police said he played the guitar and

17:40

had a band. And. With any

17:42

of that true. Know I never

17:45

even seen him set up a guitar. The

17:47

to dated for over a year

17:49

and they even had a child

17:51

together. But the more time

17:54

Taiko spent with Chiapas, the

17:56

more lies she caught him

17:58

in. A bizarre com. Harry

18:00

was you. I'd done with all that time and

18:02

so is he. Really? Who is this guy? I

18:04

don't even think that she knows. He will tell

18:07

a lie and he will try to live it

18:09

out. In. After. A

18:11

while. You're at know it's true anymore.

18:15

When Tutorial broke off their relationship,

18:18

she also has drifted west and

18:20

dropped off the radar. And

18:24

to do things into When he

18:27

joined United States Army as an

18:29

infantry man based in Hawaii, he

18:31

eventually settled in Barstow, California. That

18:34

then he was very popular. Everyone

18:36

liked him. Science. Major

18:39

Jewish friends and remembers meetings. Yeah,

18:41

Police in two thousand and five.

18:43

When. He enrolled at bars to

18:45

college is in my biology class

18:47

and catalogue charisma. He

18:50

also told his new classmate he

18:52

was a war hero. He thought

18:55

he was a green for a

18:57

in the army for fourteen years,

18:59

and he was medically discharged. From.

19:02

More. Vault.

19:05

She also has bragged to all about

19:08

his war record. There was something he

19:10

kept secret from everyone. The. Fact

19:12

that he had a wife. In

19:14

two thousand and six, Chiapas had

19:17

married this woman army Lieutenant Colonel

19:19

Catherine Taylor. The couple shuttled between

19:22

Barstow and her base in Texas.

19:25

She has done some time in

19:27

Iraq and as she was our

19:29

station of of webos for Sam

19:31

Houston, Texas. And with his wife

19:33

away, that left she novelists ample

19:35

time to lead his double life.

19:38

While she was deployed, he was going

19:41

to Over Community College in Barstow and

19:43

he also was established in relationships with.

19:46

Several. Different. Women: Including

19:49

Choice, who became much more

19:52

than a friend told me

19:54

he was single and training

19:56

like a queen. So

19:58

not only was there. Mean

20:00

his wife enjoys He was a

20:02

well this time that she all

20:05

boys also began dating. We saw

20:07

Hearse. Streaming Jobless was playing

20:09

the field with many women while.

20:11

It's likely that neither his. Wife

20:14

Nord Lisa. Knew anything

20:16

about the others. Joy says

20:18

Chiapas had mentioned Lisa to

20:20

her describing Lisa as a

20:22

student who had been harassing

20:24

him for date. I. Kept

20:26

telling her something wrong. Over

20:28

time leases mother Debbie had

20:30

begun to suspect something was

20:33

not right with her daughter's

20:35

fiance. Is gonna hurt she

20:37

only had we had talk about that

20:39

before all this happen and when it

20:41

she says mom thing for them be

20:43

fine or get married celebration celebration. And

20:47

winter daughter vanished. A mother's

20:49

intuition. Turned to dread.

20:53

The evidence was piling up

20:55

and when detectives searched Schioppa

20:58

loses house they hit pay

21:00

dirt. While we were searching his house

21:02

or we found the receipt. Home

21:04

Depot receipts listing items Chino

21:06

Plus had just purchased. They.

21:09

Included bleach. Don't.

21:12

Gloat. Or. Pick axe

21:15

shovels and a large.

21:17

Trash Barrel. It

21:20

doesn't take Scotland Yard to figure out for

21:22

those are items or to be used Get

21:24

rid of our or body. There was the

21:26

marriage. And the receipts and

21:28

there would be one other

21:30

bizarre discovery. and she opposes

21:32

trash. On the receipt. Home Depot

21:35

receipts listing items Chiapas had

21:37

just purchased. They. Included

21:39

bleach duct tape

21:42

plus a pick

21:44

axe, shovels and

21:46

a large. Trash Barrel.

21:49

It doesn't take Scotland Yard to figure out

21:52

of those are items or to be used.

21:54

Get rid of our abadi. There was the

21:56

marriage. And the receipts and

21:58

there. Would be one other. bizarre

22:00

discovery in Chiopolis's trash,

22:03

the used condom. It just seemed disgusting to

22:05

me the way he answered it. He said,

22:07

well, that's Joyce. Chiopolis

22:10

was with Joyce Franson

22:12

the night Lisa disappeared.

22:15

The last thing he said to me was, promise

22:18

never to tell anybody anything,

22:20

no matter what happens in your life. They

22:22

had sworn to take it to

22:25

their graves. Four

22:45

days into the investigation of

22:48

Lisa Hearst's disappearance, Detective

22:50

Keith Living knew he had

22:52

his man, Jamie Chiopolis. And

22:55

so did Lisa's mother. And my

22:57

God, I kind of felt it was Jamie. But

22:59

even with the discovery of Chiopolis's

23:02

marriage and the receipts

23:04

showing his purchases for duct tape,

23:06

gloves, a pickaxe, and

23:08

shovel, there

23:11

was still no body. I

23:15

was thinking, definitely foul play. I was thinking

23:17

he could have killed her. Desperate

23:19

for answers, they focused on the

23:22

woman Chiopolis told police he was

23:24

with the night Lisa disappeared. I

23:26

didn't think there was anyone else. Like

23:29

Lisa Hearst, Chiopolis had promised to

23:31

marry Joyce. He told me

23:33

that was his heart's desire. But that

23:35

is not what Joyce told Detective

23:38

Libby when he interviewed her just

23:40

four days after Lisa disappeared. She

23:43

said she knew Jamie, but hadn't seen him in over a year.

23:46

It took my pointing out to her that we'd found a

23:49

condom and it might have her DNA evidence on it for

23:51

her to say, OK, I was there on Thursday night and

23:53

I had sex with him. That

23:55

is all Joyce would tell police.

23:57

She failed to mention the night

23:59

Chiopolis... Korver in a panic with

24:01

an odd request but she's help him

24:04

get rid of a car. It

24:06

also happened to be the very same

24:08

night Lisa Hearst went. Schioppa

24:11

was said he needed to help a

24:13

friend who had fallen behind on car

24:15

payments. He needed some place to dump

24:18

the car so he would appear that

24:20

it had been stolen. I never

24:22

had a reason to this. Trust him. To

24:25

said she ah plus her here

24:27

to the town of his failure

24:29

to a neighborhood that she said

24:32

had a bad reputation for crime.

24:34

They left the car right here

24:36

on this road way with a

24:38

windows rolled down and the key

24:40

in the ignition After they ditched

24:42

lisa car the to then drove

24:45

back to Jamie's house where they

24:47

had sex and toy says that

24:49

is when Jamie told her a

24:51

truly on believable story. He

24:54

told me that she had

24:56

family in the mafia and

24:58

food recently delivered him a

25:01

passes. Confuse

25:03

being threatened to rid of it media.

25:07

Users trust. Trust.

25:12

So now, just hours after jumping

25:14

a car. Juicing,

25:19

she'll lose. Been to a remote

25:21

part of the desert. Where

25:26

she says she novelists spent

25:28

hours digging a hole to

25:30

dump that mysterious package. He

25:38

never saw what was in there. I

25:41

was in the car. I stay there the whole

25:43

time for his of the whole. Future

25:49

so I need to worry about it.

25:53

Joys claims she was

25:55

to scare and to

25:57

confuse to say no.

26:01

Really? Did you feel

26:03

under the All American that is

26:05

coming to. Your aunt Ah

26:07

ha ha ha ha ha.

26:11

Ha ha. half of our our to go.

26:14

On to to wonder what might have

26:16

fun on the trash. On. Very

26:19

serious. Did

26:23

you think mafia trashcan

26:25

body. And everything

26:27

cross my mind that is,

26:29

except for telling Detected Libby

26:32

what she knew. Money

26:34

Approval. On is no doubt

26:36

my mind about into for. I

26:38

was third call for their

26:40

the looking per who have

26:42

a whole pro hi Paula

26:45

okay and with no physical

26:47

evidence to tie jobless directly

26:49

to Lisa's disappearance. The

26:52

investigation came to a halt.

26:54

Are we not getting anywhere? But Levy

26:56

was about to get help from

26:58

an unlikely investigator he says brother

27:01

vol them. We'd gone to his

27:03

burial looking for a sister just

27:05

hours after they discovered she was

27:07

missing. Valve and have

27:09

recovered a pair of orange

27:12

rubber gloves and a plastic

27:14

pot shower cap. They. Were

27:16

lying in the roadway there and the important thing that

27:18

he did was he took a photograph of them. A

27:21

nice clear digital photograph which showed

27:24

the conditions that they were felt.

27:26

When it was intentional or otherwise, he never mentioned

27:28

Jamie Chapel said he took the photo. Bold

27:31

and handed the cap and gloves

27:33

over to Chiapas. And. She

27:35

nautilus would turn them over to police.

27:37

Five hours later, he wouldn't

27:40

take long for the detective

27:42

to made a startling discovery.

27:44

Or said i his his which is rough. T

27:47

Ah police said actually given

27:49

police a different pair of

27:51

gloves and a different colored

27:53

caf. But

27:55

Why? he had done something

27:58

to try to avoid detection while driving

28:00

the car and then trying to avoid

28:02

prosecution by destroying the evidence. And

28:05

with that, a critical piece of the

28:07

puzzle fell into place. The

28:09

Home Depot receipts and

28:11

Chiopolis' bizarre double life. Now

28:14

Detective Libby felt he could make

28:16

a strong case against Jamie Chiopolis.

28:20

We obviously knew that there were going to be some challenges

28:22

about her body. However, we

28:24

were confident that we had a good case

28:26

circumstantially. Libby would get

28:28

no help from Chiopolis, who was

28:30

no longer talking because he

28:33

had committed himself to a local

28:35

psychiatric ward. He's

28:38

probably trying to buy time to set it

28:40

up as an insanity defense. Three

28:45

weeks after Lisa Hearst disappeared, on

28:47

the same day Chiopolis checked out of

28:50

the mental ward and into this motel.

28:52

Police moved in.

28:55

And then we just went ahead and arrested him. Jamie

28:59

Chiopolis was charged with Lisa's

29:02

murder. But

29:05

where was Lisa? I felt

29:07

that his arrest might shake

29:09

loose some information from him leading to

29:11

the whereabouts of Lisa Hearst. We

29:14

know that he purchased items from Home

29:16

Depot, specifically a pickaxe and a shovel.

29:18

Lisa's family was already dealing with

29:20

the painful reality that she would

29:22

likely not be found alive. Some

29:24

of the things that we would look for, a

29:27

hump, disturbed dirt,

29:29

use your nose, odors. If

29:32

there are odors out there,

29:35

there's a good chance that I'll pull those. I didn't

29:39

want to accept it. But they still desperately wanted to

29:41

bring her home. That's why

29:43

we're here. She's out here somewhere.

29:45

I will be looking till I can find

29:47

her. And

29:52

you really were stuck in this

29:54

horrible limbo. Chiopolis,

29:57

however, remains silent. And

30:02

soon the entire community would join in

30:04

the search for Lisa. Hundreds

30:06

of volunteers canvassed the vast

30:08

California desert looking for her.

30:12

There's just thousands of square miles of desert.

30:15

This is almost the perfect place to bury a body.

30:18

I mean if you just took the area that we're looking at right now,

30:21

you tell somebody to go look for a body. It's

30:23

just virtually impossible if it's buried

30:25

and concealed well. To

30:28

find Lisa, investigators might

30:30

be forced to make a deal

30:33

with the one person who knew

30:35

where she was. Sometimes

30:37

you have to make a deal with the devil to bring the angels

30:39

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31:47

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31:50

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31:54

Hearst's family prayed that they would

31:56

find the young woman they all

31:58

loved. Just

32:00

isn't there. I need closure

32:02

too. And so does my crying kids. Then

32:06

the family. How certain

32:08

are you that Jamie killed

32:10

Lisa? Absolutely certain. Without a doubt.

32:14

Initially, right after he was arrested,

32:16

Chiopolis remained silent over the whereabouts

32:18

of Lisa Hearst. And

32:21

without her body, prosecutor Shawn Daugherty

32:23

could not seek the death penalty.

32:26

But Lisa's loved ones had their own

32:29

ideas about justice. He

32:31

shouldn't be able to be alive. Tell

32:34

me what you would like to have

32:36

done. Tie him down. I'm just leaving there.

32:40

The truth was, Lisa Hearst, who thought

32:42

she had found the man of her

32:44

dreams, had actually encountered

32:46

a nightmare. He's

32:49

manipulative and diabolical. Jamie

32:51

Chiopolis had built a life

32:54

that didn't actually exist. He

32:56

was the war hero, that he was the combat

32:58

veteran. Later I found out that he was... He'd

33:01

never seen any type of combat. He wasn't a ranger

33:03

at all. Did he tell women that he

33:05

had cancer? Yes. He never

33:07

had cancer. He would also

33:09

come across as, I care. I'm

33:11

the man you're looking for in your life. I'm

33:14

a good listener. And was he any of

33:16

those things? Not at all. Yeah, I don't know

33:18

that he can ever tell the truth. With

33:21

Chiopolis keeping quiet, there was

33:23

little hope of ever finding

33:25

Lisa's body. Still, District

33:27

Attorney Daugherty thought he could make

33:29

his case for murder and

33:31

get Chiopolis locked up for life.

33:34

I thought it was convincing and compelling enough

33:36

to take to a jury and go, this

33:39

is... this all points one direction. Getting

33:42

Chiopolis convicted of murder was key,

33:44

but so was bringing Lisa Hearst

33:46

back to her family. To

33:49

do so, the DA was forced to make

33:51

a deal with the devil. In

33:54

exchange for a reduced sentence, Chiopolis

33:56

would admit to killing Lisa, but

33:59

even more importantly, he would have

34:01

to reveal where in

34:03

the vast, hot, unforgiving desert

34:05

he had buried her body.

34:13

When he brought us out here, he was walking, he was shackled.

34:16

Had he not told us, we

34:19

wouldn't have found him. We were searching 50 miles

34:21

south of here. It's

34:23

half the plastic. This way. This

34:27

way. We're

34:31

probably in this position. We're... After

34:36

hours of digging under the hot

34:38

sun, detectives finally found

34:40

Lisa's body, as

34:43

Chiopolis looked on. There

34:45

was no remorse, there was no emotion. It

34:48

was a feeling of relief

34:50

that we'd found her. And

34:55

it was also a feeling of anger that we didn't find

34:57

her without his help. On

35:06

October 8, 2009, Lisa Hearst was finally

35:08

brought home. It

35:12

was very important to me, because then

35:15

we could pay our respects to her.

35:21

And Jamie Chiopolis got his

35:24

reduced sentence, only 15 years

35:27

to life in a California prison.

35:30

That's not justice. I

35:32

had to look at the benefits of recovering

35:34

the body versus a

35:37

life sentence. So in your mind, was it

35:39

worth it to offer the plea? Yes,

35:41

it was worth it. But

35:44

at least one mystery remained. Chiopolis

35:46

admitted to killing Lisa, but

35:49

just how had she died? It

35:51

was only after Chiopolis was sentenced

35:53

that he agreed to tell police

35:55

his version of what had happened,

35:58

claiming it was an accident. That

36:00

old drowning. And so

36:02

he goes right. Effects were initially where

36:04

did it to school and the pool.

36:07

And will have a quarter as

36:09

access to the local. We have

36:12

two. Sisters

36:14

or. He. Was

36:18

as a deterrent and I came

36:20

out to the whole she's she's

36:22

been cool and as users. Are

36:25

causes. And

36:28

of years. Old and was a realize

36:30

what had happened but police. Didn't

36:32

buy it for a minute because

36:34

they say the evidence refuted all.

36:37

Believe it was probably some type of

36:39

violent altercation. Amateur Raj. Investigators

36:41

believe to bleach Chiapas thought at

36:43

Home Depot was used to clean

36:45

up a bloody brutal. Murder probably

36:47

involved or some type of injury

36:50

that there was a loss of

36:52

blood. What do you think happen

36:54

that last day? And where they

36:56

don't know what half And I know that

36:58

was a cyclist with a thought as hard

37:00

as she cat. City. Think

37:02

he was planning this. Are you. Four

37:05

weeks. From a voice.

37:08

But why would the master

37:10

manipulator wanted killed a single

37:12

mother, two little girls, As

37:14

House of Cards a few wells get ready to

37:17

fall in, I see. A list was

37:19

juggling Lisa Verse and Joyce

37:21

Francis to women who thought

37:23

they were going to marry

37:25

him and to know senators

37:27

worthless ya. Plus he his

37:29

wife Lieutenant Colonel Catherine Taylor

37:31

was allowed to return to

37:33

California. And the face in Texas

37:35

he just has so much pressure coming

37:37

up, his wife showing up soon and

37:40

he knew that sooner or later of

37:42

allies gonna fall apart police. Now has

37:44

a modal a serial liar Schiller

37:46

done in by his own to

37:48

see. But

37:51

there was more more crucial question.

37:54

Did Jamie Chiapas act

37:57

alone? See new

37:59

seen all along. The. Police

38:02

investigation was far from over

38:04

because she off the list.

38:06

Finally reveal more about what

38:08

happened the day Lisa hearse

38:10

Thai. For

38:16

a first time, she'll lose would.

38:18

Implicate. His girlfriend Joyce Fransen.

38:21

Selling hops, he wasn't alone when

38:23

he ferried lease or hers in

38:25

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38:29

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jamie chiapas now locked up investigators

39:54

turn their attention to his twenty

39:57

four year old girlfriend jewish friends

39:59

him If

40:02

she didn't dig, then she definitely helped

40:04

Tim put Lisa's body into that hole.

40:06

Detective Libby believed Joyce knew that

40:08

Jamie had killed Lisa, and then

40:11

knowingly helped him bury her body

40:13

in the desert, in a

40:15

place where it would never be found. Yeah,

40:18

she's timid, she's shy, but she had

40:21

great motivation to keep it quiet, and that was because

40:23

she was saving her own butt and trying to prove

40:25

her love for this guy. But

40:28

Jamie proved unworthy of that love.

40:31

Question by police after his

40:33

sentencing, Chiopolis said that Joyce

40:36

knew everything. Sir, he's coming in late

40:38

at night. Okay. And

40:41

I told him what had happened. And

40:43

Joyce said, what more do you

40:45

want to do? Jamie

40:48

said Joyce helped him to plan

40:50

the cover-up. So we both

40:52

agreed to bury her butt, Joyce,

40:54

that she knew him in place. Detective

40:58

Libby confronted Joyce and

41:01

broke her down. During that conversation, she

41:03

admits that she took him out to the desert,

41:05

showed him where to bury the trash can. She

41:07

denied knowing the body was in the trash can.

41:10

But on November 24, 2009,

41:13

based on what Chiopolis had told the cops,

41:16

Joyce was charged with five counts

41:19

as an accessory after the

41:21

fact in Lisa's murder. It's

41:29

a place I never wanted to visit again. While

41:32

awaiting trial, Joyce returned to

41:35

the desert with our cameras and her

41:37

attorney to tell her version of what

41:39

happened. He spent hours there

41:41

that morning digging it by himself. And

41:45

he discarded the contents of

41:48

the cans in the holes when

41:50

I wasn't looking. And she

41:52

would swear to us that

41:54

Chiopolis buried the mysterious

41:56

package entirely on his

41:58

own. This

42:01

person is not the person that of new

42:04

for four years. How

42:08

Fat Fat. She definitely knew that she

42:10

was in that, trust him. when she

42:12

showed up at his house. There's

42:15

no doubt in my mind in that regard. Did

42:18

you have anything to do with

42:20

Lisa? her assessed now? the burying

42:22

of her body. The

42:24

clean up after the murder know. Did.

42:27

You know that she had been

42:30

murdered? Know. I

42:32

will see. Really did know. She's

42:35

shit. Also have to pay

42:38

for that, I might ask.

42:42

How could you sit on that information for

42:44

ten months and not tell? Anyone. Say

42:47

I can do is move to

42:50

school time. To

42:55

do Not think about her family. I didn't

42:57

think of health. I'm. Hoping.

42:59

So horrible. Hurry for

43:01

to move. To.

43:05

Me: I think she's just put on a good

43:07

at. I'm sorry. I

43:10

knew think she knew exactly what was in the

43:13

trash cans. Yes, I do. So

43:17

on July Twenty six, two thousand

43:19

and Ten. Rates of the

43:21

jury prosecutors. Would make that

43:24

case with Jamie. Chiapas was

43:26

set to testify against Joyce.

43:28

Joyce France and help Jamie Chiapas

43:30

dispose of a body. When

43:33

you were in court every day, did you

43:35

ever go to Choice and confront her? Well.

43:40

Did you want to? Yes I

43:42

wanted to save her and slapper

43:44

across the face for same what

43:46

is wrong with you Why clinton

43:48

to say something? After.

43:51

Just one day of trial,

43:53

suddenly it's all over. The

43:56

judge unexpectedly offers Jewish friends

43:58

in up. This

44:01

time the court will hold you

44:03

accountable for your actions. Joyce

44:05

will plead no contest to all

44:07

charges. Instead of

44:09

a possible five year

44:11

sentence, she will now

44:14

serve only three. She

44:16

spent ten months looking for her.

44:19

And all he had to do was say, I'm scared.

44:21

Help me. While

44:23

disappointed with the outcome, Lisa's

44:26

mother finally gets her chance

44:28

to confront Joyce. I

44:31

can't forgive you for what you

44:33

did. I just pray that God can free

44:35

you. As

44:40

close as we can get, justice was done. Yet

44:44

no one seems satisfied. It

44:47

just makes me sick because they're

44:50

getting away with it. Don't

44:56

beat me again. I'll draw you a yin too.

44:58

No. But

45:01

Ashlyn and Tyler would rather focus on

45:03

the mother they had and

45:05

the future she was working so hard for.

45:09

What do you think she would want for you and your sister

45:11

as you get older? To get a

45:13

good career and go to college. I

45:17

feel that she's just with there with me

45:19

and it feels

45:23

like she's watching me. While

45:32

in prison, Jamie Chiapolis was convicted

45:34

of soliciting to commit the murder

45:36

of Lisa Hearst's two daughters. He

45:39

was sentenced to an additional 16 years. Tell

46:00

us about yourself by filling out a