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Postmortem. And I'm joined today by

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two incredible producers on the show,

1:58

Marie Hegwood and Lauren Walsh. to

2:00

discuss their latest episode about the killing

2:02

of Andrene McDonald. And we've

2:05

actually never done this before on post-mortem,

2:07

but for today's episode, we're going to

2:09

hear audio from the trial that did

2:11

not make it into the hour. So

2:13

thank you so much for joining us. Great

2:16

to be here. Yeah, thank you. This

2:18

was a case that left viewers with a lot of questions,

2:20

especially when it came to the verdict, but

2:22

this was also a particularly violent

2:25

case. Before we get

2:27

to our post-mortem, let's listen to an overview

2:29

of this week's episode. Twenty-nine-year-old

2:32

Andrene McDonald, a businesswoman, wife

2:34

and mother who had turned

2:36

her assisted living healthcare business

2:39

into a million-dollar enterprise, had

2:42

seemingly vanished from her home. Her

2:45

purse was still there, her keys were

2:47

on the counter, and her vehicles were

2:49

still there. Investigator Frank

2:51

Stubbs saw something startling in

2:53

the bathroom. There was

2:55

blood on the wall. There was blood

2:58

and hair on a light switch. Andrene's

3:00

husband of ten years, Air

3:02

Force Major André McDonald, told

3:04

investigators the last time he

3:07

had seen his wife was

3:09

the night before. But

3:11

the next day, investigators discovered

3:13

items inside Andrene's car that

3:15

were not there during their

3:17

initial search, including a

3:20

shovel and, in a

3:22

trash can, some clothing that appeared

3:24

to be André's. We found

3:26

blood on the pocket of the jeans. Although

3:29

investigators had suspicions about André

3:31

without a body, none of

3:34

the evidence collected proved that

3:36

a murder had occurred. Law

3:39

enforcement, along with volunteer search

3:41

teams, came out to search

3:43

for Andrene. Their

3:45

search ended when a local farmer

3:48

made a shocking discovery. I

3:50

saw what appeared to be a human skull.

3:52

That must have been a shock. Yes. McDonald

3:55

was arrested and charged with his wife's murder, but

3:57

he would play a role in the murder of

3:59

André. not guilty, raising an

4:02

unusual defense. I'll

4:06

actually just say a little something about

4:08

myself. So my background is Jamaican. So

4:10

listening to the mothers in particular, it

4:12

reminded me of my own mother, you

4:15

know? So I want

4:17

to talk about the families here because viewers might not

4:19

realize that, you know, this is much bigger than

4:21

just Andre and Andre. For

4:23

sure, for sure. You say much bigger. Well, I

4:26

guess because, you know, the family is very close-knit.

4:28

They all group together. The two families. The

4:30

two families, both Andre and Andre's

4:32

family. That was something I

4:34

realized I'd never really seen before, the closeness

4:36

of the two families. And

4:39

here they are at this trial. They haven't seen each other

4:41

in a really long time. It was almost like a family

4:43

reunion for an awful reason,

4:46

you know? And so even

4:48

though they're there because they, you know,

4:50

one side thinks the other side is guilty

4:53

of murder, they were still hugging each other

4:55

and being kind to each other. And

4:58

I did not expect that. So interesting. Did they

5:00

speak to each other? Not frequently, but

5:02

yeah, they did. Yeah, they did. Especially because, you

5:04

know, they had the thing is

5:06

that they deeply loved each other,

5:08

this family. And so now they had

5:11

like two sides. They were forced

5:13

to do that in the courtroom. And so that's

5:15

the thing about it. And you could see on the

5:18

defense side them looking over

5:20

to Andre's mother and sister

5:22

who was – his sister was there also, then

5:24

looking at them and you could tell

5:26

that they loved each other. As

5:29

we know from the episode, Andre

5:31

is arrested and he is charged with

5:33

Andreen's murder. And he hires then

5:35

this incredibly talented defense team who they

5:37

have been working on his defense for

5:39

years at this point. And then

5:41

three days before the trial is set to

5:44

begin, Andre makes a phone call and he

5:46

turns the case in a completely different direction.

5:49

I mean, when I heard about the phone call,

5:51

Andreen's mother and sister called me and said,

5:53

you know, he's called us and he's confessed.

5:55

Confessed to what? Confessed to what? He said

5:57

he did it and I was like, okay.

6:01

And they were just floored. And so and

6:03

he told us how he did it and

6:05

I just thought, okay so this is it. He's

6:08

going to jail. It's all over with. This is the

6:10

end of it, but no. Yes. So that was

6:12

shocking to me. He didn't say anything leading

6:14

up to the trial and then a few

6:16

days before he came clean.

6:18

It was interesting to see because I

6:20

think everybody was scrambling to try to figure out

6:23

what to do next. So

6:25

much like the jury, this episode

6:27

asked viewers to figure out who

6:29

and what they believed. Marie,

6:32

Lauren, you both attended the full trial.

6:34

Yes. It has so many jaw-dropping moments.

6:37

You know, the, I mean, even from the beginning

6:39

with the prosecutors opening, you

6:41

know, he starts by listing all

6:43

of these things that Andre had

6:46

been looking up online. So

6:49

it was just like, okay, the searches don't matter

6:51

at this point because he's already copying to it.

6:53

He'd already said, I did it. In

6:55

a way, the prosecution was like almost proving the

6:57

wrong thing. And then after all

6:59

that, the defense comes on and

7:02

their opening was only three

7:04

minutes long. This

7:07

is not a murder case. This

7:11

is not murder. But

7:14

it is the case about the degree and level

7:19

of responsibility. It's

7:21

a responsibility case. The

7:24

degree and level of the

7:26

responsibility major

7:29

Andre McConaughey for

7:31

the death of Andre

7:34

McConaughey. I imagine the

7:36

jury was like, well, why are we here then? It was

7:39

the shortest opening I've ever heard. Right. Okay.

7:42

So let's talk about the prosecution. The prosecution

7:44

brings forth some, some of the evidence. I

7:47

want to start with that shocking moment

7:49

when Andre tells Andre's friends

7:51

and family that he goes to the

7:54

hospital to check up on her because she suffers from

7:56

really bad migraines. And I guess it was normal for her

7:58

to go to the hospital periodically. I think you. was

8:00

in a precarious situation because when he was

8:02

there at the house and he decided to

8:04

go to the hospital was because all these

8:06

people, I mean her co-workers were

8:08

there, her mother was there asking where Andrzej

8:10

was, the police were on their way, like

8:14

the walls were closing in on that basis.

8:16

Because he's being cornered by the police and

8:18

family members asking where she's at and

8:21

what does he do, what does he say. Yeah and

8:23

to his surprise there's a McDonald's

8:25

already there. Yes

8:27

and it was a woman as well and

8:30

so the the hospital attendant,

8:32

the front desk guy, he testified

8:34

and he said you know I

8:36

let Andrzej and I buzzed

8:38

him in to go in and Andrzej just looked

8:40

down the hall and turned around and

8:42

walked away. Because he wasn't expecting that. He was in the

8:45

hospital for a little less than a minute,

8:48

in and out. The excuse that he

8:50

didn't bring his cell phone didn't make any sense at all because

8:52

if you had a sick relative in the hospital, the first thing

8:54

you would do is check on them and then

8:57

leave. And I think there's a moment

8:59

too if you look in the surveillance footage right

9:01

at the top right corner as he's walking to

9:03

his car is kind of distant but he

9:06

kind of does this gesture that I guess

9:08

the way to describe is almost like aw

9:10

shucks, you know with your shoulders and your

9:12

hands and you know kind of frustrated. I

9:15

don't know what that is, is that him saying like oh my

9:17

goodness you know I'm in it now, I don't know

9:19

but it was kind of crazy to see that reaction

9:21

from him. I want

9:24

to talk about Avin, Andrzej's

9:29

ex-boyfriend lover. You

9:32

know you can

9:36

understand why a husband

9:38

would get upset of course when his

9:40

wife turns up with two tattoos. I

9:43

mean the birth date of her

9:45

lover? It was beyond a

9:47

tattoo. They were making plans of

9:50

her being with Avin. I mean they were...

9:52

Oh this is serious. This was serious, yeah.

9:54

And her husband never knew until he saw

9:56

those tattoos. And even then he

9:58

was kind of like... matter of fact

10:00

about it, like he was initially was filed,

10:02

he filed for divorce and

10:05

they ended up getting mad together. So those

10:07

tattoos, even though people might have thought that

10:09

that was a motive, his motive, that was

10:11

a year before. Right. And she

10:13

had covered them up. Yeah, he told her to

10:16

cover them up at his request. The defense really

10:18

tried to make Aubyn almost like,

10:20

I guess in a way of making

10:23

Andrene look bad, they kind of made Aubyn,

10:25

they kept talking about how Aubyn was, you

10:27

know, this gangster and you know, this big

10:29

bad drug dealer. They showed the jury kind

10:32

of like a scary picture of him with all

10:34

these tats and stuff and this big muscular with

10:36

no shirt on. I think if Aubyn would have

10:38

had a suit on and it would have been

10:40

like more love affair-ish, but this was like he

10:42

was just unclothed with all these tats. This is

10:44

who she went to. She left her husband for

10:46

this man. So there was another

10:48

expert who testified, who didn't

10:51

actually make it into the broadcast,

10:53

but whose information could have led

10:55

to Andre's conviction for murder. So

10:57

both of you felt very strongly about

10:59

this expert's testimony. Why? So it's

11:01

a potentially damning piece of evidence

11:03

that would seem to poke holes

11:05

in Andre McDonald's claim that he

11:07

had hit Andrene's body with the

11:09

hammer the night after her death.

11:12

We don't know if he didn't hit her and

11:14

do this damage to her in the house and

11:17

then take her to the field. He could have hit her

11:19

in her throat or jaw. You

11:21

know, we don't really know what we were just

11:23

going by what he's saying, you know? So I

11:25

think we don't really know for sure how she

11:27

died. So Dr. Harold Gil

11:29

King is the former director of forensic

11:32

anthropology at the Center for Human Identification.

11:34

He came to share his findings about

11:36

the injuries on Andre McDonald's skeletal remains.

11:39

The doctor testifies outside of the presence

11:41

of the jury at like 9 a.m.

11:43

to see if his testimony

11:46

should be admitted. You noted

11:48

that there were exhibitions of parabordant

11:50

blunt force injuries to the mandible.

11:53

That's correct. It is difficult

11:55

to conceive how

11:58

such a fracture would have occurred or why

12:00

it would have occurred following death. OK,

12:04

but you'd

12:06

agree with me that that's a question

12:08

for the imagination more than something you'd

12:10

be able to scientifically include or exclude

12:12

as a possibility. I

12:15

would say that in my

12:17

46-year experience, fractures

12:21

such as the one you mentioned

12:26

occurred at the time of death or

12:28

slightly before. He

12:30

made it very clear what they were talking about in

12:33

terms of the injuries and when they might have occurred.

12:35

And I think I don't know

12:37

what happened in terms of that motion

12:39

and why he was excluded because he

12:41

was very key to this whole testimony

12:43

in terms of when the injuries happened.

12:45

He was not wavering. I

12:48

think some of the other experts kind of waver,

12:50

like we believe, we think. But

12:52

I think it's really interesting too that when Dr.

12:55

Gil King is giving this testimony,

12:58

he's doing this before Andrei testifies. He

13:00

testifies. The doctor testifies outside of the

13:02

presence of the jury at like 9

13:04

AM. And then Andrei takes the

13:06

stand at 1 PM. And he

13:09

explains it all away. When

13:12

we get back, who takes the

13:14

stand? Andrei himself. So we're

13:16

going to hear from him about his fear

13:18

of his wife. He said he was afraid

13:20

of her. And the one moment during the

13:22

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15:00

back. You know, perhaps the most disturbing part

15:02

of this trial in Andre's testimony is

15:04

when he explains what he does after

15:07

Andre dies. He

15:10

says when the police came and are

15:12

examining the house he's sitting there thinking

15:14

just filled with the rage and getting

15:16

really angry and then once they leave

15:18

he grabs a hammer and some gasoline

15:20

and goes out there to hit

15:22

her body. I think everyone else, at

15:25

least on the prosecution side, thought no

15:27

he's going there to destroy evidence. Let's

15:30

hear him questioned during the trial. At first

15:33

I hit her in the face with the hammer fork

15:37

and then I used the claw

15:39

and like hit her in the neck

15:41

area and I remember the claw got

15:43

stunk in like her neck

15:46

and then that's when I was like I was like

15:48

ripping the hammer out and

15:50

then at that point I

15:53

thought I was done. That's how I'm like suddenly

15:56

I walk away. I give it like one more walk sometimes

15:58

but I'm not sure how to do it. You

16:01

know, listening to his testimony

16:03

about what he did to the body was

16:05

just so brutal and

16:07

detailed. You know, he talks about the claw

16:10

of the hammer getting stuck in her neck.

16:12

He kept using the word rip. It

16:14

was just it was it was terrible. It was

16:16

terrible. It was. And I think

16:18

the thing about it is that we have to remember this

16:20

is his point of this is his story. This is we

16:22

have nothing else to go on because her body had been

16:24

left out in the open. And maybe that

16:27

was a plan to leave out there that

16:29

we don't really have anything to go on. But

16:32

what he's saying, did he testify

16:35

about how he determined that she was dead?

16:37

Did he say, you know, I checked her

16:39

pulse, I checked to see if she's breathing.

16:41

I didn't do anything. He didn't he didn't

16:43

try to resuscitate her. Even when the prosecution

16:45

said Biden to try to resuscitate her, he

16:47

said something to the effect of why would

16:49

I try and resuscitate a dead body? Yeah,

16:51

yeah. Why would I call 911 for

16:53

a dead body? Yes. The thing

16:55

about it is that he didn't get pressured for

16:58

that. The prosecution didn't push him on that. They

17:00

never really took into task. They just let him

17:02

explain it. Keep on explaining himself.

17:05

So watching him testify, I didn't

17:07

know how to interpret his demeanor.

17:10

I didn't know if this was a man

17:13

who was just not

17:15

emotional when talking about this horrendous,

17:17

horrific thing that happened in his

17:19

life. Or if this was

17:21

a man that was highly disciplined because

17:23

he's a trained military guy, how

17:25

did you guys feel watching

17:28

him testify? I

17:30

definitely felt that he was in

17:32

control. Even just

17:34

his whole aura and his vibe. And

17:37

I think the way the testimony when he

17:39

was understanding and the way he talked about what he

17:41

did to her and the way that he did it and

17:43

how he did it, just kind of

17:45

matter of fact. Not only did he

17:47

speak about her flippantly, but he rarely said

17:49

her name. He

17:52

rarely said her name. He usually said

17:54

the body or her or it. That's

17:58

just another layer of dehumanization. So

18:01

when he's on the sand though, he says something that

18:03

certainly surprised me. I don't know if it surprised the jury. He

18:05

actually turns this whole thing on

18:08

Andrine and talks about being in

18:10

fear of her. You see a video

18:12

of Andrine with André on her

18:14

back and they're running around the

18:16

house and they're laughing and it's

18:18

happy times and then that

18:21

was used against her to show,

18:23

wow, she's so strong she can carry André

18:25

on her back. And then they

18:27

showed the videos of her power lifting and André

18:29

talked about how Andrine could lift about 300 pounds

18:32

and he was about 180 pounds at the time

18:34

this happened. She

18:37

looked taller than him too. She's about maybe two inches

18:39

taller than him. Okay, just a little bit. Maybe she

18:41

was in heels. Yeah, she always wore heels. She

18:43

did. She wore all four inch stilettos at

18:45

any time she could. When

18:48

I first heard the testimony about it, I

18:50

was offended. Be honest with you, I just

18:52

thought, oh my God. This is a

18:54

wife and a mother. She's a victim. She's

18:56

this big brute. This is how

18:59

she's being framed. I

19:01

think for them to hear you have this

19:03

beautiful black woman and you're talking about how

19:05

strong she is, how mean she is, how

19:07

angry she is, I think it definitely

19:09

was playing into stereotypes for sure.

19:12

Very much so. And I think one thing to

19:15

add to that is that when we first

19:17

started hearing about the victim, we never saw

19:19

a picture of her. Right. I've

19:21

been to trials where they have a photo of

19:24

the victim up the whole time. And

19:26

you rarely saw photos of them in a

19:28

dream during the trial. It was really a shame. The

19:30

defense rested. The following day was

19:33

supposed to be closing arguments, but then what

19:35

happened? So we live

19:37

in New York, New Jersey area. We

19:39

were used to freezing rain. Texas

19:41

is not, come to find out. So here we

19:43

are in San Antonio. There's a

19:45

freezing rainstorm coming. And

19:48

not only does it shut down the court

19:50

for that day and the city of San Antonio,

19:52

but it shuts it down for two whole days.

19:56

And so this was right

19:58

after Andre's testimony. Because

20:00

of this, when I spoke to the jurors,

20:02

they told me that they believed that break

20:04

kind of had a negative effect on the

20:06

jury because it gave

20:08

some distance from the testimony and

20:11

from the prosecution's case. And

20:13

so they're just going off of memory

20:15

from like the week prior. That's a

20:17

really interesting detail. So finally, it's up

20:20

to the jury to decide whether to

20:22

convict Andre of manslaughter or murder, right? And

20:24

it's all in how you sort of define these

20:26

two crimes. They

20:29

decide manslaughter. What

20:31

was the reaction like in the courtroom? The family,

20:33

I was sitting behind Andre's family and you could

20:35

tell, I mean, they were all just shocked when you

20:38

hear not guilty of murder. And

20:40

then the law enforcement side, they

20:42

all just seemed really disappointed. For

20:45

sure. Yeah. Yeah. I

20:47

think anyone who hears the graphic detail of

20:49

what he did after, according to him, after

20:51

the fact would think, how could you find

20:53

him not guilty of murder? But when we

20:55

spoke to the jurors, they said that surprisingly

20:57

the ones who were pro

21:00

manslaughter, when it came

21:02

to discussing what he says he did after

21:04

the fact with the hammer, they said, we're

21:06

not here to discuss that. We're

21:09

here to focus on what did he do leading up to

21:11

her death? I

21:13

talked earlier about how what was

21:16

really kind of disturbing to me was the way

21:18

in which he testified. It came off

21:20

as casual, which seemed even

21:22

worse than unemotional. But there

21:25

was emotion. There was emotion during the sentencing.

21:27

During the victim impact statement. That was the

21:30

first time you

21:32

saw emotion in his face because

21:34

when the father said, you're like what?

21:37

My son, Andrene's father. Andrene's father says

21:39

that you're like my son, you know,

21:41

you where you're going, I go with you

21:43

like he, the way he talked to Andre

21:45

is like the father-son relationship. And

21:48

that's when you knew that that family was a

21:50

close that they loved each other, deeply loved each

21:52

other. And they just wanted that love

21:54

to continue. I want to play a

21:56

clip from his statement. But

22:00

I wanted to know, despite the verbiage,

22:03

I forgive you, I know

22:05

you, I would like to end longer after

22:08

that change, it's like a part of

22:10

me is in the symmetry and

22:13

a part of me is going to jail. You

22:16

know, when Paul Anderson said that, you know, there

22:18

wasn't a dry eye in the courtroom, we

22:20

all were weeping. It was

22:23

just so emotional and you could

22:25

just feel, we all could feel

22:27

for Paul, who at this point he

22:29

had lost Andrey and he had lost another

22:31

child whose name was also Andrey. And now

22:34

he's speaking to Andrey, the person who he

22:36

believed murdered his daughter and saying, I love you

22:38

and I'm still with you. You're still a part

22:40

of me. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

22:43

And that's when you saw Andrey, because I think

22:46

he, at that point, he knew that he, you

22:48

know, ruined his life and ruined the family that

22:51

he had. Everything that they

22:53

worked so hard for, that American

22:55

dream was just gone. His

22:58

daughter, Elena. Yeah. And

23:02

so Andrey McDonald is sentenced to 20

23:04

years. He's also appealing

23:06

his manslaughter conviction. Any final

23:08

thoughts about working this case? Well, I

23:10

will say, you know, as far as,

23:12

yes, he was sentenced to 20 years,

23:14

but according to the judge, Frank Castro,

23:17

with time served, he could be out

23:19

in about six and a half years from today's

23:21

recording. He could be out in about six and

23:23

a half. So that's kind of surprising when you

23:25

hear that. But, you know, overall,

23:27

this case was just it's just so sad. They're all

23:30

sad of all of them, of course. But,

23:32

you know, the family aspect and, you

23:34

know, the fact that these two people

23:36

found each other, built such a wonderful

23:38

life for their whole family. And

23:41

it was just all destroyed. And

23:43

I think within the Jamaican culture, I mean, just

23:46

education is important. Success

23:48

in your career field, like that's kind of like

23:51

the bottom line, you know, in terms of coming

23:53

to America and achieving the things that they did.

23:56

That's what they were here for. That's what they lived for. You

23:59

know, and so now. It's so sad because

24:01

sometimes I'll check in with Andrea's

24:03

mother, Maureen and Cindy to see

24:06

how they are doing and how the daughter's

24:09

doing. It's like night and

24:11

day. In a moment like

24:13

that, everything's gone. Thank

24:15

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24:18

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24:21

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24:23

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24:26

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24:28

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24:30

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