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This phase five live boxing would

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have a big fine in a

1:13

big arena that's good when you

1:15

have to pick fights you the

1:17

big or a that that's even

1:19

better. Sandy Ryan in a World

1:21

title fight against Terry Harper and

1:23

then thoughts and space in a

1:25

world class fight against Jose Sir

1:28

Peter that my friend is a

1:30

proper night I'll tell you who

1:32

was in a moment that see

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the podcast onstage pants and this

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we're going to stall and one of the

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corridors that's the echo you get his empty.

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1:48

in this and were an earlier flight. The

1:50

rest of the fighters terry help us and

1:53

Iran is still down there as his daughter

1:55

and smear. I think how do they Sir

1:57

Peter, These people have just left That of

1:59

course. Backstage me here in cheerful

2:01

just lot backstage for me Will most venues

2:03

around the world to be on the Cbs

2:06

is Barrios Barilla some let's start with the

2:08

world sort of fire sand Iran and sorry

2:10

Harper Now I'm not sure who use who

2:12

would win but I know one thing you

2:14

didn't think it would and like that. know

2:16

the assault so we all know sorry This

2:19

is one of the few times I got

2:21

a spa. some. Absolutely

2:23

spot on as a fake access to as

2:26

we can Roka area will carry. I don't

2:28

have any sports on I I I be

2:30

seen all week that I think Sunday Ryan

2:32

will stop sorry half us and the reason

2:35

being really I say that I've got several

2:37

other moms I'm somebody with terrorists or help

2:39

was coming or going out on Sunday Rise

2:41

Sandy. of her first

2:44

ago. it was unbelievable. It was a

2:46

flawless. Pugs. Perfect display or

2:48

homelands of awful you'd with I didn't think

2:50

you'd stop A very jones's in the Me.

2:53

he predicted it almost to the round. That's

2:55

it that burrow a beverage like a profit

2:57

by. Know. I did I did says the

2:59

I did I just so I thought I just or what

3:01

movies have an awesome is. To use I thought you

3:03

would be aggressive and it's important we say was

3:05

he would she was I so that that sorry

3:08

harvest because apostasy his shows a panic when she

3:10

gets his. And I thought she

3:12

shows up palaces you you in that off the hook

3:14

a second will have. Upset when I see now

3:16

fun not turn signal by set now. What?

3:19

Where did you? wouldn't you think you could

3:21

do? What you ended up doing was his

3:23

early on a uma him fantasizes and dreaming

3:25

about it for the last six weeks. But

3:27

in Newry when did you think I can

3:29

guarantee Awesome! I could quit immediately. Fitness center

3:32

or thing is wrapped free wasn't as. Good

3:34

as. The Iran Phrase and

3:37

as I seen. That when

3:39

I saw as as he just took

3:41

that step back to fi in earnest

3:43

Fired Success! Set back like that

3:45

is. I. They. Don't want

3:47

a beer and that is gonna survive

3:50

and so forth. Yeah, I'm not saying

3:52

this setback. And you didn't say is

3:54

that by you put your foot down especially in the

3:56

fourth. They were hopeful punches, but he was tied to

3:58

the pursuit you you basically. Pushing

4:00

around rank? Yes. This

4:02

a dominant form it's I

4:05

wanted to bring say yeah

4:07

I. I am bit I was

4:09

a bit reckless. I'm not going to send.

4:12

Me so know this is I. Want

4:14

to be like I want to be

4:17

sitting down and was shot small been

4:19

when I was excited Fire image saw

4:21

as a bit reckless thinking. I'm

4:24

going to suffer cause I just I

4:26

think others we've decided as usual I

4:28

was I think is the wrong with

4:30

when the wrong before he pulls of

4:32

votes that he pulls I'm Terry Else

4:34

you would thus said is he was

4:36

extremely accurate those shots and also we.

4:39

The. Physical sense as evidence is using you're

4:41

gonna be thus was stronger than a

4:43

insoluble person. Plural: like yeah, food. I

4:45

feel like I'm a good light and. And

4:48

gray, I'm a good whoa. wait. And.

4:52

Under. For like, I'm

4:54

one of the strongest. Whoa. Wait, so I say.

4:56

I felt like I could do. that with

4:58

terry office and for yell at you

5:01

seen it was put face it was

5:03

I the only seen a little sniffle

5:05

me this you i. Was so

5:07

we saw a minute. Susan, I've. Been on this

5:09

guy excited for my next. He fights

5:11

because most at home. So say most of

5:14

the zebra of was this kid was kids

5:16

private business. She fires could be massive going

5:18

this the road normal what with what we

5:20

need is still one of those corners. Maverick

5:22

manages the slow round Like guys that you

5:24

notice that Seven never the radio both of

5:26

the order the horns I don't exist. Outside

5:30

of i'm a Professor really does give

5:32

us a bit of an inside look.

5:34

What we have known as obsessed some

5:36

Vincenzo giant what's out there is now

5:39

that now have gotten a man. I've

5:41

got the money but. Yeah

5:43

and. Money Manager Bryan His.

5:46

Assets in the of day as

5:48

an said I believe like was

5:50

used. By. My side Now mercury

5:53

in bill means is that so and

5:55

I? I really believe that. And

5:57

some just excited and. All

6:00

jokes aside, there are big fights at

6:02

your weight or in and around your

6:04

weight. Obviously, Natasha Jonas holds one version

6:07

of the World World's Weight title. We've

6:09

got Lauren Price in May fighting for

6:11

another version of the title against Jessica

6:13

McCaskill. Obviously, Chantel Cameron's not far below

6:15

you. Katie Taylor's in and around.

6:17

Who knows if you could come down, she could come

6:19

up. There are big fights. We talked about this

6:21

the other day, didn't we, in that gym. It's

6:25

a dream division. And at the moment, let's

6:27

not mince our words. You

6:30

have made a very big statement. Yeah,

6:32

like when

6:35

you see big fights, my name's in

6:37

there now, isn't it? Absolutely, isn't

6:39

it? You're not coming to the party.

6:41

You're holding the party, sister. It's your

6:44

house, pie. They've got to come to

6:46

you. I like that. You can have

6:48

it. I see that. It's true, though.

6:50

Yeah. You

6:53

know the other day, though, I'm going to embarrass you now. You know

6:55

the other day when I saw her at the gym, she got out

6:57

of a car and she hadn't seen her three nieces, and they mean

6:59

more to her than just about anything. She sees them 568 times a

7:01

day, trust me. She

7:04

spoils them rotten. She hadn't seen them for months and

7:06

months and months. She got out of the car. These

7:08

three girls, they know what age they are. They

7:10

literally jumped. I'm standing back. They jumped from about

7:12

four foot. And all three of them ended up

7:14

wrapped around them. It was great, wasn't it? Yeah,

7:17

it was so nice. It was months.

7:19

The last time I seen them was New Year's. And

7:22

then, yeah, so yeah, I

7:24

love them. They're my people. Yeah.

7:28

You know, so standing, all jokes

7:30

aside, a newling couple of people

7:32

in Las Vegas, obviously it worked.

7:35

You loved out there. You talked about the hills and

7:37

the snow and filling your lungs up. So you'll have

7:39

a bit of a break here, then get back because

7:41

you will fight at least, well, at least you'll fight

7:43

twice more this year. Or, well, so, so, yeah, two

7:46

if we can do it. Yeah, we're getting a sign

7:48

from the Invisible Man. Yeah. Well

7:50

done tonight. I mean, it was, it was

7:52

a really impressive display.

7:59

I know you had a new year. capable of it but it

8:01

was it was quality tonight. Thank you so much

8:03

thank you. One of the things we talked to

8:05

her about Barry obviously was all these

8:07

other fighters out there and Brian Peters their

8:09

manager was laughing and joking and that was

8:11

a statement that she sent out to the

8:13

others I mean Tasha Jonas great victory over

8:15

Michaela Mayer don't get me wrong and if

8:18

Lauren Price beats Jessica McCaskell which who knows

8:20

she's capable of Lauren's exceptional fighter that

8:22

means we have three British women

8:24

holding three versions of the World

8:27

to Weight title and I'd like to see

8:29

them all fight each other. Well we

8:31

know what we get with women's boxing. Even if

8:33

they add on different sides

8:35

of the streets to cut her lower. She is sandy to

8:38

the other two but the performers discovered

8:40

a lot of the performers tonight. I

8:43

thought she was going to be physically stronger but not

8:46

that much stronger I think it was important to not

8:48

only Terry Harper who maybe is the

8:50

better natural boxer better rhythm to

8:52

her work so it was important for her not to get

8:55

the establish an early rhythm otherwise going to be hard

8:57

for Sandy Ryan to really um

8:59

you know kind of a flag if you like but

9:01

she went out very early but she actually if you

9:03

went out she went out of the

9:05

corner and I'm in a solid jab straight away. So

9:08

to be fair tell you how

9:10

to fight back. Yes you did. I mean compared to trying to

9:12

land that right she wasn't turning it just enough. And

9:15

I'm grooving because I picked the method of victory

9:17

but I mean I do think that I've always

9:19

thought that if she can hurt it early if

9:22

Ryan can hurt a half early I know

9:25

what sort of fighter she is

9:27

and Sandy Ryan she

9:29

will feed off that. Yeah. She will only have to hook it.

9:31

She never I understand early if there's a few rounds she got

9:33

a bit close early rounds she got a

9:35

bit close to her tacks that's what she's saying she's in

9:37

the corner they were saying to her they're saying you're just

9:39

getting a bit smothered in your work a little bit but

9:41

the finish I know they pulled

9:43

the clock the finish doesn't matter she barely missed

9:46

with a sharp steal. Yeah I know. And I

9:48

think just before that she found her very early

9:50

I thought after making a few adjustments that she

9:52

had to punch she was she was throwing her punches

9:55

And moving her feet with the punches forward sounds like the

9:57

right idea, but she was getting too close. Acid

10:00

Acid. That while. A.

10:02

Very forgiving the corner so this you get too

10:04

close. She planted a seed she's it's offensive for

10:07

was a she was closed didn't overseas. And

10:09

through the punches the suit and others and I

10:11

target move back easily. The movie at a little

10:14

easier says resent Foods They're so every shot. I'm

10:16

not unhappy struggling that couldn't find a way of

10:18

not invasion an Amazon, Amazon and lots of it.

10:20

I think that's acceptable to divide the noses fighter

10:22

one very responses in the corner and the ask

10:25

any was asked in it wasn't a exhausted from

10:27

into the first round if she was or how

10:29

you get yeah them somebody day that was was

10:31

a straight which is which is so strange man

10:33

but he knows his fighters. Who says yeah I

10:36

said is a nosy nosy body language. You hear

10:38

it all. About but I think for. The

10:40

sunday by that I was in all Santa before

10:42

mr business and but that that was a break

10:44

that was a person of a Korea by the

10:46

Pentagon officials the last night was she bossism a

10:48

casket over thought she was into the myself Thus

10:51

if we the doesn't grow that for me I

10:53

would I would argue barrier she got her this

10:55

is another Mccaskill ah still fun that was the

10:57

best when of a committed I outgrew cruises unlike

10:59

your because it was just maybe she'll always be

11:01

worth as much as good as a cheese over

11:03

the I guess and say okay yeah I would

11:05

say that would be a sandal when and this

11:07

phenomenon happens because of that when ironically because you

11:09

my thought on your are innocent. Know ongoing of

11:11

unification? yes. But now the doors that

11:13

open though as a be the Us

11:15

and Allied I think he'll daven domestic

11:17

rivals. Special. Women will have

11:20

improved massively and we I'm really had

11:22

that yet. much. And she

11:24

saw a character. Who Pays of or Xhosa

11:26

there's this there were there is so very sorry

11:28

about every night for the great such the winds

11:30

of a form and yes I'm what it means

11:33

that are Korea yeah that was agree with this

11:35

and it there there there is there is something

11:37

about a your other the she's busy have been

11:39

a member was he lost that first that fights

11:41

he lost his about a full file or that

11:44

is far as hard as she was who's and

11:46

that was ambitious much my kids and it didn't

11:48

work out on our members will killer face in

11:50

that fight after by three rounds as she knew

11:53

she was gonna lose Bashir the stigma doggedly. For

11:55

the eight till same as he was for she knew

11:57

to skill just too much. She came back and between

11:59

the remote. Be a com to be in

12:01

a very much a show called wish we see

12:03

the Nemesis Don't get me wrong the effort

12:05

as other positions that the to see me

12:07

women's boxing they get the offices but supposedly

12:09

so we you can see also save with

12:11

it was math was that twenty fights but they

12:14

also us a little joke quicker they don't

12:16

even get those intermediates fights were you step

12:18

of levels I don't I don't get bottles

12:20

with has said I still don't get any

12:22

that exists get sucked in. And

12:24

the champion might be rubbish sometimes split know

12:26

was like the same as you might be

12:28

really good or they might be automatically can

12:30

say that was our company or just come

12:32

across the water was before his you been

12:34

established or yeah it's is usually already happened

12:36

by the way what what what will those

12:38

when we will have it will take a

12:41

little break their will me combat will hear

12:43

from will hear from goals and smith was

12:45

way hopefully from the for motor Eddie Hearn

12:47

and will talk about that. daughter's been five

12:49

years ago some quite school ago since. quite

12:51

strong opinions about that fight for what I

12:53

don't wanna. Hear off that at five as

12:55

opposed to what what are what I

12:57

would like say A Berries don't go

12:59

anywhere but especially when I hear and

13:01

see if it would take the bright

13:03

when we come back when. a mobile

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app though and smith sport we won't

13:07

have is that enigmatic manager that we

13:10

were so we were talking about because

13:12

he just doesn't or interviews This though

13:14

interviews he might flow around the Las

13:16

Vegas with his friends from the Irish

13:18

pop band You so you might do

13:20

that. But he warned though it's humanism,

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my name's eddie hearn and

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this is no voice I'm

14:00

excited to be back with this new series.

14:02

As always, I'll be talking to top performers

14:04

about what drives them, how they gain an

14:06

edge over competitors, and whether their dedication to

14:08

constant improvement becomes what they cost. I love

14:10

roles. I've played in the summer and sleep.

14:12

I just enjoy that there. Taylor's noise here.

14:14

What makes them feel fulfilled? It's not the

14:16

monies, not the trophies. It's the friendships and

14:18

the memories I've got. And does that change

14:21

as their career progresses? Just a girl

14:23

who grew up playing football, and now I'm

14:25

getting past without even seeing the camera like

14:27

it's crazy. From BBC Radio, five lines.

14:29

No passion, no point. Listen, whenever

14:32

you like on BBC Sounds. I

14:34

must admit, Ariel Hawani, who you worked with

14:36

in Saudi Arabia, he often gives us a

14:38

big mention on his show because he just

14:40

says he loves the backstage pods we do.

14:42

And I try and convince him that we

14:45

do them seamlessly. He doesn't realise how much

14:47

work and how much waiting around, and how

14:49

many times you think you've got someone and

14:51

they vanish for, I don't know, to

14:53

have a blood test or to go into a

14:55

press conference. Anyway, Eddie heard he'll be out in

14:57

a second, hopefully, Barry. But let's talk a

15:00

little bit about Daughton's move against Jose

15:02

Sepeda. He finished in the fifth

15:04

round with Sepeda unable to continue up to

15:06

being hit by a full-blooded, not subtle, right

15:08

hand to the body after Daughton had softened

15:11

him up. But that really wasn't a story

15:13

of the fight. In my opinion, the story

15:15

of the fight were the first two rounds

15:18

when Jose Sepeda looked sensational.

15:20

When that fight first got announced, I went,

15:24

it's a danger fight this is. No,

15:27

Petit Jean, the European level, would have been the fight

15:29

that Adam Azin beat recently. Absolutely. That would have been

15:31

the next step up. And perfectly acceptable should not have

15:33

popped up. Well, that's the right step up for him,

15:35

but this is a step too far. Now, you think

15:37

someone who's boxed for a world title but has fallen

15:39

short and is still on that level is the perfect

15:41

opponent for the step up. And it

15:44

is, but in that way division, the super lightweight

15:46

division, that happens to be Jose Sepeda, who is

15:48

good enough to win a world title in almost

15:50

any other division. Absolutely. That's the problem. So I

15:52

thought it was a real risk. But as

15:55

if I got closer, I didn't get nervous. I got

15:57

more confident that I thought to do a job. And

15:59

it's I went

16:01

to the open workout on Wednesday

16:03

and I left there thinking this is a test day. I've

16:05

not been an after timer. I thought this was a hard

16:08

test. I still thought it was a really hard test and

16:11

discipline was the key for me because you

16:14

make a mistake against a payer or you

16:16

get overconfident with your success and he has

16:18

the perfect one-two, Steve, a straight and a

16:20

self-forward jab and a lovely left cross. But

16:23

he curls the shoulder with it so he

16:25

has an added extension that most football boxers

16:27

don't get and I give you an extra

16:29

two inches on the shot which means if you hit

16:31

you flush, if you lean back it catches

16:33

you clean, if you don't lean back it punches through

16:35

and you're

16:37

gone. We've seen that against Barancik

16:40

and many others and so I think

16:42

it was a danger fight for him but he was

16:44

disciplined. The first couple of rounds he got caught with

16:47

it a few times. Body shots. He looked a bit

16:49

upset, not panicked but he didn't panic but he

16:54

had to do something and what he did was

16:56

just have a good look at the payer I

16:58

think and then he went to work and he

17:00

sat and landed a loop and left cross, a loop and left hook

17:02

I should say, right hand through the

17:04

middle quite easily and then he

17:06

just got a rhythm to his work and it looked like all

17:08

of a sudden the payer had no

17:11

judgement or distance and that wasn't him, that

17:13

was Dalton Smith doing that. Hold on

17:15

one second, here's Dalton Smith, here's Dalton now,

17:17

let's grab Dalton, we might as well grab Dalton

17:19

and we'll get Eddie in a second. Dalton,

17:21

first of all, that

17:23

was, and we said it on 5

17:25

Live tonight, that was punch perfect, it showed patience,

17:28

it showed composure, he overcame it, he's a bit

17:30

of speed and he's a bit of power and

17:32

he's footwork in the first couple of rounds, you're

17:34

just in the third, look at it in the

17:37

fourth and you're out Mexican to Mexican. I'm telling

17:39

you son, that was a flawless display. You might

17:41

find some flaws in it, it was brilliant. Yeah,

17:43

I appreciate it. Yeah, I know

17:46

I had to be switched on. Like you

17:48

say, he's fast, he carries power. It was

17:50

just about proving to me, myself as well,

17:52

what I can outsmart the

17:55

more experienced fire. Like I said, show

17:57

him that I've got the balls, that makes it come blood too.

18:00

not even Mexican blood, it's like Sheffield blood. The

18:03

strong blood. The strong blood and yeah,

18:05

I work hard man. And

18:07

you had to work hard because he was sharp in the first

18:09

couple of hours, his feet were good and he was looking for

18:11

shots and he was catching the body shots looking around. I mean,

18:13

you know, and I did a thing,

18:16

we did a thing on radio, both myself and

18:18

Josh Roentgen saying listen, don't think this guy came

18:20

over for the money, don't think this guy came

18:22

over as a retirement, he's not getting paid enough

18:24

money to retire. That was a good performance. Yeah,

18:26

I think Jose came over here thinking I

18:29

wasn't really on his level. He probably looked

18:31

at the level I was fighting at before

18:33

and thought nah, he's too soon

18:36

for this kid. And

18:39

not only that as well, you

18:41

forget I was over with Manny last year. I

18:43

mean, we interviewed you when you came down to

18:45

Mexico for that fight. I didn't actually know Manny

18:47

was his coach when we took the fight so

18:49

they thought they was going to come over here

18:51

and do a number and but yeah,

18:54

like you say, I proved that

18:57

to a lot of people tonight. I know you've got

18:59

to go off to present in that sort of fur around when

19:01

you're starting to turn things around, you might even miss for the

19:03

first time so you can make him miss and then counter him.

19:05

Could you sense that you were getting to him? You

19:08

know, it was the time and the feet. And

19:10

obviously I was just wary of his left

19:13

hand, his looping left hand. So

19:15

I knew I couldn't just commit straight away with

19:17

that. I took I took Jugy's distance, Jugy's timing.

19:19

And as soon as I got that with the

19:21

feet, you could see then that's when I was

19:23

I was whipping him in, walked him onto the

19:25

uppercut. You know, I was then had the confidence

19:27

to step in. You know, it is just judging

19:30

his timing. And that final shot you knew once

19:32

that was going in, it was a 10 second

19:34

punch. Yeah, that's it. And like you say, the

19:36

shots you don't mean to hurt them

19:38

with, you know, sharp boom. That's what gets them. A

19:42

lot of noise a few months ago about a fight

19:44

with Adam Azim. I know and it's not really your

19:46

thing, but it was his name was mentioned in the

19:48

ring. Exactly. I've not called

19:50

that fight. I'm

19:52

not one to call somebody out. Like

19:55

you said, the fight's been

19:57

put there by itself. I don't know if somebody's in

19:59

my. weird and that's it. Like

20:02

you say I don't like to talk much

20:05

crap. I'm just confident in my ability and

20:07

if that's the route I'm going down then

20:09

you know. It was great tonight. I

20:11

mean well done tonight. You can go

20:13

down out on that. And then don't do me a favour.

20:16

Don't go watching it back and think oh I could have

20:18

done this, I could have done that. Trust me that's the

20:20

way the boxing works. You can't plan for all of it.

20:22

Well done tonight. Thank you. So

20:25

that's a big compliment in Daughton Smith because I

20:28

really do believe that was a quality point.

20:30

Eddie Hurn will be out in a second

20:33

we think very. Daughton

20:35

there unmarked and you

20:38

know you could also, I don't know about you but you're

20:40

looking into his eyes there. Even

20:42

though he's won comfortably tonight in fifth row

20:44

knockout. You know he's been in a fight.

20:47

He knows he's been in a fight tonight.

20:49

Draining. The training for it. The anticipation, the

20:51

nerves. All the stress. Because

20:53

you know when you start

20:55

stepping up in levels and you

20:57

know this is not a fight I can lose. It's

20:59

a fight I can really lose and lose badly by

21:01

the way. You know what I mean? And it's not

21:03

like if I box the best of

21:05

my ability I'll do a job. This

21:08

is a fight where I could box the best I can

21:10

box and still lose. That's what it should be when you're

21:12

the height of the fight. So you

21:14

train differently. They're sleepless nights. They're not

21:16

anything smooth. Your mind's constantly always thinking

21:18

about the fight. It's a stress and

21:21

it's a tired. Because a

21:23

loss is bad. You know you're unbeaten and

21:25

you know this was the test so a

21:27

loss is bad at this point. Really bad.

21:29

Think about the loss. It's just the intensity

21:31

of the thought process trying to win. It's

21:33

going to drain you. And the higher the

21:35

level you go the harder it is

21:38

for you mentally, physically and everything. So you

21:40

knew that. But I said to Adam Baggett after commentary

21:42

I said you know what? Look at

21:44

him. I love it. It just takes you back to when you,

21:47

you turn from you think you could. And people without telling

21:49

you you could. And you start believing you could. But Then

21:52

when you have your first real win at

21:54

a higher level then you know you're good.

21:56

Then you know you're good. You know. It's

21:58

not that you think. You know it. And

22:00

that was the winter him wherever he says

22:02

you are I love he believes in a

22:04

good believe it if you use and so

22:06

you do is you can stand on see

22:08

as yourself and that's after that by he

22:10

knows know what I went to.a member of

22:12

Seasons yeah I'm I remember last season was

22:14

it is Lt was mine are several European

22:16

sought some new law gives a champion at

22:18

Dartmouth I thought I'd be similar and yes

22:20

or no no and one beyond lives I

22:22

sell my own Go in there are those

22:24

like winnable. saw this as for him though

22:26

he knows he knows now. Isn't that miss

22:28

know just how does that. Us as does it

22:31

says it's hello ladies a division and his name's

22:33

in that sub sense I suppose I welcome and

22:35

as well as his ex was it on the

22:37

root causes of I'm not saying he can go

22:39

in a big Devon hyena not Sunday can go

22:41

in and B C of famer Lopez A Not

22:43

sending going to be Jack that's a loosening going

22:45

to be doubly spot for is the every right

22:47

to be in a mix of the conversation on

22:49

a table you ask? You know if he goes

22:51

into his visa program Us as is this sciences

22:53

wow just three Us is still has cited he

22:55

could soon. As they give the

22:57

things that are. Zola as a lot. Also

23:00

you those last September Richardson hating driven

23:02

seems the love okay maybe a good

23:04

fighter see one every single round against

23:06

debate but it was only six foot

23:08

Six months ago. he didn't stop him

23:10

or I've honestly that was the fight.

23:12

that device I feel comfortable thought was

23:14

with us didn't keep the same disciplines

23:16

as Hitchens it says and and hits

23:18

and say that I think he will

23:20

win Pretty choice to go for the

23:22

city's he might human stuff would exempt

23:24

that. that's the thing tonight he was

23:26

composed those in over in common sewage

23:28

just. Wanted rules and that was the key

23:30

word he used off the the from Canada

23:32

The fifth round he said he needs to

23:34

stay composed now I saw my sorts of

23:37

on the others through that. with was that

23:39

a buzzword with the with the we we

23:41

we've all we've all of the former boxes

23:43

of rigs as a you tube valuable to

23:46

a just wanted August. Yeah just stay composed

23:48

that he's a very easy I suppose the

23:50

bureau's how much of his his eyebrows a

23:52

mature of it's he went on to mature

23:54

from composed either. It was all of those

23:57

things I thought. Another shot. at it

23:59

wouldn't have the my said. in the bread basket. That's

24:01

what it reminded me of. Right in the bread basket. You

24:04

know what, when I talk about it being

24:07

generally a nice body shot is a little

24:09

left hook slipped under the elbow or something

24:11

that comes in here. He planted his feet

24:13

like he was throwing an axe.

24:15

He bent his knees and he threw a right

24:17

hand and went through the body.

24:19

Beautiful. Little shots, you can take those

24:21

shots all day unless

24:23

you don't know they're coming. Yeah, good point. So I could

24:26

tend to know even at my old age, now,

24:28

of 22. And I could take that sort of

24:30

dog and throw it to you. No, maybe not

24:32

him. But I mean, but when you don't expect

24:35

it and he was out of distance and he

24:37

slid in and threw the shot. He came in

24:39

a bit lower. And he used to pay that.

24:41

He tried to stay up. You could see the

24:44

grimace on his feet and he was like, oh,

24:46

it's half a second. There should be a name

24:48

and I haven't got

24:51

it and I might have to invent it the next time I

24:53

call him about knockout body shots. There should be

24:55

a name for that half a second when

24:57

you get caught. When

24:59

last, okay. And then suddenly

25:02

half a second later, something erupts

25:05

inside your stomach and there should be a name

25:07

for that half that half a second. It's just

25:09

unbelievable moment. Anyone listening, if you want to write

25:11

in, you can let us know. Give us a

25:13

name for that. We'll use it on the commentary.

25:16

And if I could remember the

25:18

pods email address, I'd give it out

25:20

now, but I have no idea what

25:22

our email. Yeah, we're going to plug

25:24

your Twitter. The

25:27

extra comes on. Big Daddy Bunch. Big

25:29

Daddy Bunch. That'd be enough. I sense

25:31

that Eddie's coming. There's a bit of movement

25:34

from that door. Hold on just one second, Barry.

25:36

And right on QS, come out. First of all, thanks

25:39

for your time. Well, I've

25:41

got to be honest with you. The two

25:43

people I thought would win tonight did win

25:45

tonight, but I didn't think either of them

25:47

would win in the

25:49

manner that they won. I'm not sure which

25:51

one I'm most surprised by, to be honest

25:53

with you. I thought they were brilliant finishes,

25:55

brilliant performances, and they had a bit of

25:57

everything in both of their fights. Sandy

26:00

Ryan and Dalton. Yeah, it was a brilliant night,

26:02

a boxing, to be honest with you. So many

26:04

great fights and, you know, when you make that

26:06

step, obviously for Sandy, it was fighting another world

26:09

champion, coming off a really unlucky decision against Macaskill,

26:11

new team. I thought she looked like a beast

26:13

in there tonight. I mean, she was super strong

26:15

and Dalton was just world class. You know, Zappida,

26:18

you could tell from the early rounds how good

26:20

he is, how dangerous he is and how smart

26:22

he is, how composed he was and he didn't

26:24

really hurt him a lot early. He was starting

26:27

to just buzz him a little bit and it

26:29

was just a beautifully timed body shot. Zappida

26:31

has never been counted out before, you know,

26:33

in any of his losses. And, you know,

26:35

I thought it was just a brilliant performance

26:37

that really proves that Dalton Smith is world

26:39

class. Yeah, and it was, we know that

26:41

Zappida is 34, but

26:43

he wasn't here for a payday. I'm assuming

26:46

you didn't get $2 million on anything stupid

26:48

like that. So he wasn't here for a

26:50

payday. He's not washed up and those first

26:52

two rounds, he made Dalton do a lot

26:54

of thinking in those first rounds. I thought

26:56

that was a great finish and that's when

26:59

the Sandy Ryan finish, talk about sending

27:01

a statement at the right time in the right

27:03

division. There's not a better division for women at

27:05

the moment. There are so many great fights for

27:07

Sandy. I mean, that Sandy Ryan against Chantel Cameron

27:09

is a war. Sandy Ryan against Tasha Jonas is

27:11

a tremendous fight as well. So she deserves those

27:13

fights. You know, I think she's the best in

27:15

the division. I think she really showed it tonight.

27:17

And with regards to Dalton, that was

27:20

the step up. You

27:22

know, you obviously work closely with matchmakers

27:24

on big fights like this. What

27:27

would you like to see him do now, Eddie? Chase

27:30

the world title, really. You know, I think

27:32

that tonight he's going to

27:34

go into the WBC top five in

27:36

the world. That title will probably become

27:38

vacant when Devin Haney fights Ryan Garcia,

27:40

Sandal Martin against someone. And if it's

27:42

not Dalton Smith, he'll be there for

27:44

a final elimination. That's what tonight did.

27:46

One of our guys has already messaged

27:48

us, reached his program and said, I

27:50

like the Dalton Smith fight. I mean,

27:52

that's a big fight, you know, and

27:55

that's another big step up. We've got

27:57

Sabriel Matisse. We've got Liam Parro. We've

27:59

got Richardson Hitchen. We've got Jack catterall

28:01

you know I mean the winner of Taylor catterall

28:03

why not you fight a loser of Taylor? Okay,

28:05

absolutely is a big fight against all the smithard

28:07

now You have to remember he's 16 out but

28:09

you've got a guy here who's on the verge

28:11

of fighting for a world title And he just

28:13

felt a bit different in here tonight He's just

28:15

welling up and it's you know the crowd is

28:18

growing the atmosphere is growing the city's believing in

28:20

him And so they should and he looked like

28:22

a different kid when he came out in that

28:24

third and fourth round and the Dalton Smith that

28:26

finished that fight tonight was a different Boy, man,

28:28

than the Dalton Smith that walked into the ring tonight.

28:30

That was a fight that might have made it And also

28:32

you know it just feels like it's swelling you know you

28:34

got the fight against Sam O'Mason then

28:37

the fight Yeah, yeah, Sam Maxwell on paper

28:39

Sam Maxwell was his toughest No, no, no

28:41

that was a good job. With all due

28:43

respect to Sam like imagine what Jose's a

28:45

Peter would do to Sam Maxwell So that

28:47

shows you the levels above and it shows

28:49

you the way that Dorn dealt with him

28:51

and Eddie with regards to Sandy we mentioned

28:53

that we went for that whole list of

28:56

potential potential fights. She wants to fight twice

28:58

this year I

29:00

bet that would be good on there. Yeah, and yeah

29:02

like I said she only really wants big fights I

29:04

don't see the point they all do the Ryan

29:06

against somebody in a margin tree

29:09

Like make her against Maya yeah, make her against

29:11

Jonas make her against Cameron Yeah, you know she's

29:14

up for those fights. She's ready for those fights

29:16

make it happen and it might sound kind of

29:19

Cold of me and she'd probably be upset if I

29:21

said it But if she were to lose a points

29:23

decision to Maya then it's a rematch anyway Yeah, she

29:25

was to lose a point decision to Cameron then it's

29:28

a rematch and they're all gonna be great fights So

29:30

let's roll the dice and make him happen and you

29:32

and you had both and I know that Becky I

29:34

was doing our ringside interviews and she actually she put

29:36

you on the spot She what's it like having both the people

29:38

you went I hate it Like

29:41

you watch me in a Campbell Hatton fight. I'm

29:43

up screaming Yeah, you are screaming and like you

29:45

know and then you got that fight And you

29:47

don't really want anyone to do so I prefer

29:49

it when we're up against it Yeah, but yeah,

29:52

just finally and I appreciate your time and I

29:54

know you've been been real busy Oh, did you

29:56

go to see Harper and And

29:58

How was that? Despite it

30:00

was devastated Lose Campbell Homes devastated who

30:02

was? It's very often was your world

30:04

champion at one fifty for your to

30:06

division world champion? Oh you have to do

30:09

in again Now despite the big fight

30:11

Absolute my money. Trying. When another

30:13

watch him ship assets with really what sun

30:15

shades and I actually need to come back

30:17

than the whites. The Sandy Rhonda lock up

30:19

least it should have on our said it

30:21

you got ran and dixon line for the

30:23

whoa Saw a light light welterweight that's a

30:25

good five years after trying become a free

30:27

white world champion there might be money she

30:29

my good money tonight she wrote at us

30:31

has been in the game a long time

30:33

no. Conscious

30:35

Max out spoke before it's se boot on a

30:37

great job yesterday in in possession of as the

30:40

says he's been on those of a subtler says

30:42

this is a let you go because I don't

30:44

do a duty oh shopping list of the fifty

30:46

thousand going on own author and as if there's

30:48

a time and apply surface what about Xp and

30:50

what about why? added a but it's not one

30:53

o'clock it among other why shouldn't I know so

30:55

as not one of them wouldn't always yes votes

30:57

off the two performances like that every time I

30:59

was as as a face with hoses on shopping

31:01

lists and thank you for just as I it

31:03

either off to a wedding vows which. Is talk

31:06

to as many people as possible a

31:08

very before before we leave he ah

31:10

deceased have been on a wonderful long

31:12

time noiselessly few a nice our do

31:14

two things the first thing his own

31:16

look forward to this Sunday at the

31:18

Oh to a British Heavyweight title fight

31:20

on basic. Looking forward so Fabio Woodley

31:22

against the champion against of Fraser plus

31:24

the first one other than of our

31:26

little secret thing I want to do

31:28

at the end of the parts little

31:30

bit show mercy of a show business

31:32

of the edge of Woodley against cause

31:34

a loss you. To expose fill your

31:36

initial reaction when you heard it

31:38

was made. Hosea I'm on

31:41

your side with that because there's no agree

31:43

it is that he says he'll do domestic

31:45

have classes a fantastic and I think know

31:47

war the box and as these shows are

31:50

what like. Desecrates.

31:52

i think even this even is that even the

31:54

best examples and pretty heavy weights you know i'll

31:56

assume you're with us history classes over the years

31:58

as as we as we both know And

32:00

the loser can still go on. Yeah, absolutely.

32:02

Yeah, but so and I but I understood

32:05

why it got it got messed around first

32:07

of all I think I think you know,

32:09

especially for Fraser clackie and really had the

32:11

rounds or the quality of opposition. Yeah I

32:14

think it was a right move. I don't know who's

32:16

fault who's fault that was he blamed everybody for a

32:18

beautiful way That's what it was. But now he's in

32:20

a position. I would know he can't hang around forever

32:22

Yeah, he's got to take the leap of faith now, you

32:24

know and you know on paper On

32:27

publicity on paper it should it should be

32:29

him who's massively dominant because the world series

32:31

of boxing because in the world European

32:33

and because the Olympics natural ability he

32:36

has Yeah,

32:38

it's a big but it is a big but I think

32:40

what these one of those fighters who know in

32:43

the midst of danger Where

32:46

he where he's likely to get knocked out. He does

32:48

his best work. Yeah He's

32:51

one of those he's one of those weird

32:53

weird brave fighters who might just

32:55

always get it right. Yeah To

32:58

a certain level of course, but you know

33:00

when when when he started Fabio We know all the

33:02

stuff about the white collars and he looked a bit

33:04

raw and he'd fall over his feet But you know

33:06

this last 18 months two years.

33:08

I've really come to a moment. I know

33:10

how hard he works I think he's effective

33:13

and I tell what's obvious. I'm talking to

33:15

people to find is he properly punches He

33:17

I think he's incredibly heavy-handed and he's smooth

33:20

He's had to be because of that point and also and

33:22

again to go back to me. He's brave. So he when he

33:24

gets caught And the ultimate

33:26

it might be and some of them a lot It's my

33:28

business doing and it might be against face a crack, but

33:30

I mean when he gets caught and hurt His

33:33

first reaction like a kind of like

33:35

a like a like a no no, Ben Excuse

33:39

me, no, she was one of the most one of us

33:41

reacted fighters When he was

33:43

first he fired back with everything and that and

33:46

the golem up tall so many times And I

33:48

think he's a little bit like that. Well Nigel

33:50

Ben knocked out Anthony Logan a Royal Albert

33:52

Hall He got hurt and he got dropped really

33:54

because he's gloved touch the floor and with the

33:57

same glove from floor to chin He knocked out

33:59

his opponent That's not fact, that's not a

34:01

bunched out, that's actually true, it happened. It's a close

34:03

reactive fight that we've had. I think, well, he's not

34:05

the same as that, but he's an asshole at will.

34:08

When he's under pressure, like we've seen against Nathan

34:10

Gorman, and you think, oh, you'd be safe

34:13

here, get yourself in a safe place and go

34:15

again. You know, go through a second phase. He

34:17

goes, nah, have some of this. And

34:19

they're half fighters to fight. And when you have, sorry,

34:21

I'm on a roll now. You are, son, I'm loving

34:23

it. And when someone frees a clag, it's technically really

34:25

good, when you haven't had that experience yet, and

34:28

he's going to be in that position. He's definitely going

34:30

to be in that position when they fight. Absolutely. How

34:32

he's going to, all that amateur experience and all this.

34:34

You can do another six hours, you could. I know,

34:36

I'm on a roll. But I

34:38

literally think, I get paid by the minute, apparently. But

34:41

a word, you get paid by the word, that's my joke, yeah. Well,

34:43

then, as you see, I just think that,

34:45

I genuinely think that, you know, how

34:49

he reacts will tell us off how he goes. We're going

34:51

to lose, by the way. So that's Fabio

34:54

Wardly defending his British heavyweight title against

34:56

Fraser Clarke this Sunday. That's the 31st

34:58

Sunday, yeah, I meant Sunday. That's at

35:01

the O2. Tickets are still available. See,

35:03

I do my best, public service. And

35:05

that fight will be, well, that'll be next

35:07

week's pod. We'll talk about that. Now, this

35:09

is before, before we finish tonight,

35:12

I want to do something

35:14

about a man called Liam Cameron. He

35:17

fought on the undercard here in Sheffield. It was his

35:19

23rd win. You might not have heard

35:21

of him. That's because in 2018, he failed a

35:23

routine drug test for a recreational drug. He

35:27

was given a hefty ban, and he

35:30

didn't come back until late last year.

35:32

In fact, in the last six months,

35:34

he's fought three times. He stopped his

35:37

opponent tonight in the first round. I

35:40

caught up with Liam afterwards, and I've

35:42

got to tell you, OK, this will

35:44

put a smile on your face. Liam

35:46

Cameron talking to me at ringside after

35:48

his first round knockout. This

36:00

is it. Let me survive this and

36:02

I'll stop drinking. I'm 15 months on

36:04

now. I'm not drinking. I had a

36:06

drink. I'm doing

36:08

it for my kids, my girlfriend, Tanya. I've

36:11

been at gym and I'm loving life at

36:13

my next time. Before the band, before you

36:15

vanished, you were world ranked. You were Commonwealth

36:18

Champion. You'd been an ABA Champion.

36:20

You were a star, son. You can

36:22

do it again, can't you? It's already

36:25

a fairy tale. Definitely. I'm here. I've

36:27

met it. I went back to that

36:29

hospital ambulance with lights on. How far

36:31

were I going to die? I'm here to

36:33

met it now. You're selling tickets? I'm selling

36:35

tickets. 200 in 10 days. You

36:39

are a great story, Liam. Thank you

36:41

very much. I still got your picture of

36:43

you signing me years ago. Years ago, in

36:45

Nottingham or somewhere like that? That's it. Okay,

36:47

we'll come as I get. Durell. You're

36:50

a top voice. Thank you. Liam Cameron

36:52

there, Barry, and everyone knows the story. The

36:54

kid has got a giant heart and he's

36:56

turned his life around. We all like that.

36:59

It's a good story. Barry, listen. It's been

37:01

a pleasure and a delight. You've managed to do about six

37:03

hours on the zone. Then you've done 45 minutes

37:05

of me wandering in the corridor. It's always a pleasure.

37:07

I'm driving you home, aren't I? And you're going to

37:09

be driving me home in a moment. Get in. Life

37:11

is... The highlight of my career, Buncee's taxi. I'll make

37:14

you a coffee when you get to my house. Life

37:16

is grand, as they say, in the

37:18

trade. So, this is the way tonight

37:20

worked out, if you don't mind me

37:22

saying so. Sandy Ryan. Okay, we might

37:24

have expected her to win. I thought

37:26

she was devastating. Breaking Terry Harper's heart.

37:28

Forcing Steffi Bull to pull Terry Harper

37:30

out. Sandy Ryan. Absolutely fantastic. And then

37:32

Daughton Smith. The first two rounds he

37:34

had to think. He was cool. He

37:36

wasn't hurt. Don't worry about that. And

37:38

he clawed his way back into it

37:40

in that third fourth round. He

37:43

made Jose Zapeda, the Mexican, make

37:45

mistakes. And finally took him down

37:47

with a beautiful body shot that

37:49

Jose Zapeda never saw coming. Down

37:52

he went. He out, Mexican and

37:54

Mexican. That's a night of boxing

37:56

in Sheffield. Barry Jones was with

37:58

me thanks to... Eddie Hearn for

38:00

talking to us, thanks to Dawson Smith for talking

38:03

to us, thanks for Sandy Ryan to talking to

38:05

us and more than that thanks to everybody for

38:07

continuing to download this pod and one day, on

38:09

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38:14

has been Sheffield and it's been 5 Live Boxing.

38:30

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38:32

Westatford who

38:34

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