Nancy Jo Sales is known for her ability to connect with “the youths” of America.

Her new book, Nothing Personal: My Secret Life in the Dating App Inferno, is a window into how the apps have taken over our lives both from interviews, and from being a subject of her own experimentation with the apps. In this week’s podcast interview, Lisa Birnbach discusses what Nancy Jo has learned, and what she thinks these apps are doing to society – and more importantly to our kids.

Lisa Birnbach’s 5 Things: 1. Medical insurance, 2. The sourdough bread her friend Fred introduced her to at Winner in Brooklyn 3. Digital book tours, 4. An old leather coat she has in the back of her front hall closet, 5. New York City’s endless scaffolds.

Nancy Jo Sales’s 5 Things: 1. Sake Bar Satsko, 2. Edibles, 3. Zazie, her daughter, 4. Sturdy Bookshelves, 5. Her treadmill.

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