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Congress will likely be the least
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Republican majority is having. trouble
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few have seen the dysfunction like
2:05
Democratic minority leader Hakeem Jeffries. And
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2:13
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2:35
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2:38
same incentives that have long helped
2:40
the C-suite get rich and apply
2:42
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2:44
flatbeds and farms. Even our
2:46
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United States Congress is not particularly
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popular these days and look
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no further than the current session to understand
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why. It will likely
5:30
be the least productive Congress since
5:33
the Civil War. One
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lawmaker who's figured out a way to get a
5:37
few things done is Congressman
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Hakeem Jeffries. He replaced
5:41
Nancy Pelosi as the leader of the
5:43
Democrats in the House over a
5:45
year ago. And the 53-year-old has
5:47
built a reputation as a consensus
5:49
builder in his own caucus and
5:52
as a tough but respectful opponent
5:54
of the Republican Party. Minority
5:57
Leader Jeffries could potentially become the
5:59
first... black speaker of the House.
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So to hear him tell it, the
6:03
Democrats are already in charge. Even
6:07
though we're in the minority, we
6:09
effectively have been governing
6:12
as if we were in the majority
6:14
because we continue to provide a majority
6:17
of the votes necessary to get things
6:19
done. Those are just the facts. The
6:22
fact is Republicans in the House
6:24
are a majority in name only,
6:27
with just two votes to
6:29
spare infighting has crippled their
6:31
conference. Even some Republican members
6:33
are at their wit's end. The
6:36
Lord Jesus himself could not manage his
6:38
current. It's a difficult
6:40
situation on the other side of the aisle because
6:43
many of my Republican colleagues
6:46
are more interested in creating
6:48
chaos, dysfunction and
6:51
extremism. For what purpose? That's
6:53
a good question that has to be asked of them.
6:57
We were sent by the American people to
6:59
get things done, to solve problems. At the
7:01
end of the day, some people
7:03
don't have that view of the
7:06
job. Nine
7:09
months after getting the job of
7:12
speaker, Republican Kevin McCarthy of California
7:14
got dumped by the far right
7:16
wing of his party. Following
7:18
three weeks of paralysis, Mike Johnson of
7:21
Louisiana took his place. I want to
7:23
thank you all for the trust that
7:25
you have instilled in me. After
7:28
he worked with Democrats to pass the
7:31
foreign aid bill that included $61 billion
7:34
for Ukraine, Georgia Congresswoman
7:36
Marjorie Taylor Greene, who opposed it,
7:38
said she will follow through with
7:41
the threat to oust him. Jeffries
7:44
told us he works to find common ground
7:47
with the other side of the aisle, and
7:49
at least one Republican who might be
7:51
happy about that is Speaker
7:53
Johnson. Johnson, at some point
7:55
today, this past week, Democrats
7:57
said they would vote against
8:00
Congresswoman Greene's effort to remove
8:02
him. Has Speaker Johnson asked for
8:04
your help? He has not. And
8:07
all of you would traditionally be, let
8:09
the other side work its own mess out.
8:12
But when that mess starts to impact the
8:15
ability to do the job on behalf of
8:17
the American people, then a
8:19
responsible thing at that moment might be for us
8:22
to make clear that we
8:24
will not allow the extremists to throw the Congress
8:26
and the country into chaos. Hey, hey, hey, hey,
8:29
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, as chaos
8:31
spreads across college campuses nationwide
8:33
over Israel and Gaza. Whoo,
8:35
hoo, back up. Some
8:38
far-left members of Jeffrey's own
8:40
party have shown support for
8:42
protesters. Leader
8:44
Jeffries, whose district is 11% Jewish, spoke
8:48
about the protests at his weekly press
8:50
conference this past Wednesday. Peaceful
8:52
protest is an important part of the fabric
8:54
of America. But we shouldn't
8:57
see any protests ever there
9:00
into threatening the
9:02
safety and security of others, into
9:06
anti-Semitism or racism or xenophobia.
9:10
In all, 37 House
9:12
Democrats recently voted against sending
9:14
more military aid to Israel. The
9:18
divisive issue will follow Leader Jeffries
9:20
and President Biden into the election
9:22
this November, where control of
9:24
the White House and Congress looks like
9:27
a coin flip. What do
9:29
you think about how Israel has been
9:31
waging this war against Hamas in
9:33
Gaza? Israel was put
9:35
in a very difficult situation when
9:38
it comes to the horrific events
9:41
of 10-7, a
9:44
brutal terrorist attack by Hamas,
9:46
which is an entity that
9:49
has sworn to wipe Israel off the
9:51
face of the Earth. So
9:53
Israel was in a position where, of
9:55
course, it had to respond to decisively
9:57
defeat Hamas. At the same time, My
10:01
view has been that we have
10:03
to do everything possible to
10:06
get the hostages out and
10:09
to surge humanitarian assistance
10:11
into Gaza. But
10:14
isn't it also true that
10:16
while retaliating and going after Hamas
10:18
terrorists, that Israel has
10:20
been indiscriminate in its bombing? I would
10:22
not say that they've been indiscriminate. I
10:25
do think what we'd like to see moving
10:28
forward is the execution
10:31
of the new phases of
10:33
this conflict with surgical precision.
10:36
You could still be a strong supporter of
10:38
Israel and Americans' defense of Israel and
10:40
be critical of their approach about how they've waged
10:42
this war in Gaza. That's correct. But
10:45
you seem reluctant to criticize Israel at all. I'm
10:47
dealing with the facts on the
10:49
ground. The facts are that according to the
10:51
UN, half of Gaza's 2.2 million
10:53
people are on the verge of famine. Has
10:56
Israel done enough to get food and aid
10:58
into Gaza? Israel clearly needs
11:00
to do more as
11:03
they have recently
11:06
acknowledged through their actions to
11:08
surge humanitarian assistance into
11:11
Gaza. The other thing that I think
11:14
is important... Only after they
11:16
killed seven aid workers from World
11:18
Central Kitchen? And that was horrific,
11:21
including one American. Now
11:23
in terms of the loss
11:25
of innocent Palestinian
11:27
life in this tough theater
11:30
of war, that is deeply
11:34
disturbing, tragic,
11:37
and should be painful for
11:39
anyone who has a shred of humanity
11:41
in their body. And
11:45
civilians do not deserve to suffer
11:47
for the sins of Hamas. The
12:00
go to peace is Israeli
12:02
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Was
12:05
later summer speech a turning point.
12:08
Anything. That such humor has to say. Ah,
12:10
On the subject is gonna be
12:13
incredibly important and received. But.
12:15
At the same time, every single member
12:17
of congress. Has. The.
12:19
Responsibility of answering to their constituency.
12:21
That's the beauty of American democracy.
12:23
So what lead assume or has
12:25
to say on a given to
12:27
see what Miss Mcconnell has to
12:30
say? Want to give an as
12:32
yet it's some importance connected to
12:34
it. In. Congress inside
12:36
the Beltway. I was
12:38
a very long answer without answering my
12:40
question. Was it was there. Will come
12:42
on yet. Chuck Schumer. Criticizing.
12:45
The Prime Minister of Israel, Calling.
12:48
Friend to be replaced? That's a big deal. Subsume
12:50
was words speak for themselves. But
12:52
I think that trying to suggest
12:54
that Leaders Schumer is somehow undermining
12:57
the Us. Israel relationship is ridiculous.
13:00
How worried are you. At
13:03
Voters frustration. With President
13:05
Biden. Over the war in
13:08
Gaza. Could. Hurt democrats
13:10
chances and this lesson? Yeah, We
13:12
can't say. Any.
13:15
Vote. For granted. But.
13:17
Also believe that at the end
13:20
of the day voters are gonna
13:22
look at the totality of circumstances.
13:25
Who. Is fighting to deliver? For.
13:27
Everyday Americans. And
13:30
who is simply fighting for
13:32
himself? Hakeem. Jeffries
13:35
says he learned about fighting
13:37
for everyday Americans from his
13:39
parents. His. Father was a
13:41
substance abuse counselor, his mother a
13:43
social worker who Jeffrey says taught
13:45
him and his brother a college
13:47
professor to work hard and be
13:49
good to people. Jeffries.
13:51
Attended N Y U Law School. Worked.
13:54
For a prestigious law firm. then
13:56
spent a few years as an
13:58
attorney for sixty minutes parent company
14:00
CBS before entering politics in 2006.
14:04
This election is about a fresh start
14:06
moving forward. So many great pictures of
14:08
Brooklyn all around here. You were the first
14:10
black leader for either
14:12
party in either house ever. What
14:15
does that say about America? Government
14:17
of the people, by the people, and for the people
14:20
isn't just a theoretical concept.
14:23
Like, it actually exists
14:26
in America. He was
14:28
raised in the Crown Heights section of
14:30
Brooklyn, a few blocks away from his
14:32
district, where
14:36
Sundays were for church. At
14:38
12 years old, he became an usher and
14:40
also taught him how to talk to people. These
14:43
are challenging times. Jeffrey
14:46
says he visited more than 60 churches
14:48
in Brooklyn last year. And
14:50
in Washington, we're going to continue to
14:52
put people over politics.
14:57
One of Jeffrey's allies told us
14:59
his ability to connect to both
15:01
young and old black voters makes
15:03
him an important surrogate for President
15:05
Biden this fall. Black voters are
15:08
a core democratic constituency. Why do
15:10
you think support for President Biden
15:12
has decreased among black voters? I
15:15
think that tremendous progress has been made
15:18
for African Americans under the leadership of
15:20
Joe Biden. That's quantifiable.
15:22
But the reality is there are
15:25
still real challenges. One
15:27
new challenge in communities in New York City
15:29
and in many others around the country
15:32
is the influx of migrants. Shelters
15:35
to house thousands of them have gone
15:37
up in and around Jeffrey's district. What
15:40
do you say to voters who not
15:42
only see migrants streaming into the U.S.,
15:44
not just from Mexico and Latin America,
15:46
but also from China and
15:48
other countries and wonder, what's Congress doing
15:50
about this? We have a
15:52
broken immigration system, and
15:54
we have clear challenges at the
15:56
border that we have to confront.
15:59
Decisive. and in a bipartisan
16:01
way. And the American people are crying
16:03
out for us to do something about
16:06
the situation at the border, in a
16:08
manner consistent with our values. How
16:11
big of an issue will abortion rights
16:13
be this election year? It's
16:16
going to be an incredibly significant
16:19
issue because on
16:21
its own, it's about freedom,
16:24
and the extreme magma Republicans have
16:26
set in motion the erosion of
16:29
reproductive freedom. We're going
16:31
to fight for it with everything
16:34
that we've got at
16:37
our disposal. If Roe v.
16:39
Wade can fall, anything
16:42
can fall. Social security
16:45
can fall. Medicare
16:47
can fall. Voting
16:49
rights can fall. And God
16:51
help us all, but democracy
16:53
itself can fall. If
16:56
Roe v. Wade can fall, then
16:58
anything can fall. Every single
17:02
thing that we care about is
17:04
on the ballot in November.
17:07
Leader Jeffrey says Democrats have a
17:09
story to tell beyond what voters
17:12
have to lose in November and
17:14
pointed to legislative wins for gun
17:17
safety and the billions invested in
17:19
American manufacturing and infrastructure.
17:22
Those are real results.
17:25
But two-thirds of voters think the economy
17:27
was better under President Trump. Well,
17:30
that's just not the case, and
17:32
we have to do a better
17:34
job of laying out the facts
17:37
that the economy has dramatically improved
17:40
under the leadership of President Joe
17:42
Biden. But if those are the
17:44
facts, why don't
17:46
voters believe it? Is that
17:48
a communication problem? Voters understand
17:50
that more needs to be done, that there
17:53
are challenges that remain.
17:56
We understand. We have to lower costs. We
17:58
have to end prices. gouging. We
18:00
have to grow the middle class.
18:02
We have to keep our communities
18:04
safe. We have to solve the
18:07
problems and challenges at
18:09
the border. We're on the right side of those
18:11
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18:14
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Stavros, unlikely champion for empowering
19:58
and enriching. the rank and file.
20:01
Stavros is a heavyweight in the world
20:03
of private equity, an industry famous for
20:06
its ruthlessness. Yet he's emerged
20:08
as the leading evangelist for the concept
20:10
of employee ownership. His idea? Take
20:13
the same incentives that have long
20:15
helped the C-suite get rich, and
20:17
apply them to the folks working
20:19
factories, flatbeds, and farms. Norman
20:23
Rockwell never did paint Arthur, Illinois.
20:26
But what a canvas of Americana.
20:29
Beating slow in the heart of the heartland, this
20:31
town of 2200 sits in
20:33
a pocket of Amish country, a
20:35
place where past and present cohabitate.
20:38
Not long ago, Arthur was the
20:40
unlikely site of a daring experiment
20:43
in American capitalism. CHI
20:45
overhead doors, which manufactures garage
20:47
doors, was founded by a
20:49
local Amish carpenter. Then
20:52
in 2015, KKR, one of
20:54
the world's biggest private equity firms,
20:56
came to this small town and
20:59
purchased CHI for $700 million. That's
21:02
when Brad Edwards, a 19-year veteran
21:04
of the factory floor, and
21:06
his wife, Crystal, started googling the
21:08
new corporate overlords. To me, it
21:10
seems like they owned half the
21:13
world, right? And then the rumors
21:15
start going around like, this is
21:17
big New York private equity. They're
21:19
going to skin this
21:21
down to the bare bones until they can squeeze
21:23
a few bucks off of us, and whenever
21:26
they leave, there's going to be nothing left. Today,
21:28
roughly 12 million Americans are
21:30
employed by companies owned by private
21:32
equity. Firms like KKR that specialize
21:34
in buying businesses with the goal
21:37
of improving performance and value, in
21:39
ultimately reselling, ultimately reselling for
21:42
a profit, a practice
21:44
that often involves cuts and layoffs.
21:46
Over a 10-year span, it's estimated that at
21:49
least a half million jobs have been lost
21:51
to private equity cutbacks. That
21:54
would have devastated Brad and Crystal Edwards.
21:57
Buried under credit card debt and with no
21:59
savings, They had taken second jobs
22:01
to support themselves and their three daughters.
22:03
You were working, she worked midnights at
22:06
Casey's. The gas station used to be
22:08
open 24 hours. So you
22:10
took a late shift at the gas station. Like you
22:12
had a gas station and then maybe slapped
22:14
or maybe didn't sleep. Soon
22:17
after KKR bought CHI, employees
22:19
gathered to meet the new
22:21
boss, KKR executive Pete Stavros,
22:23
who came bearing an unexpected
22:25
message. No slashing, no
22:27
burning. CHI would be
22:30
growing. And the entire workforce would now
22:32
be part owners in the company. What's
22:35
your immediate response when you heard about that?
22:38
It was too good to be true. You
22:41
would hear people talk about, no, this is
22:43
just, they're just dangling the carrot. What's
22:46
the catch? Yeah, what's the catch? Exactly.
22:48
A lot of times you're walking in
22:50
and people say, I've heard
22:52
promises before. Stavros had
22:54
given the employee ownership pitch before
22:57
and was accustomed to a skeptical
22:59
audience. Day one, we sit
23:01
down with the workforce. We explain at a
23:03
very high level, this is our
23:05
business plan. This is where we're headed. These are
23:07
the key priorities. There is a
23:10
pool of ownership set aside for you. His
23:13
idea really is simple. Give rank and file
23:15
workers a stake in their company on top
23:17
of salary, plus a voice in how the
23:19
business is run day to day. With
23:22
skin in the game, they'll be motivated
23:24
to work harder and smarter. Ownership is
23:27
really an ethos. It's a mindset. What
23:29
I mean by that is, what
23:32
you want are people feeling
23:34
like these are my products. So
23:37
if I'm sending out poor quality, that's
23:40
a problem for me. If our productivity
23:42
is down or if our customers are unhappy, these
23:44
are my customers. And this doesn't
23:46
happen overnight. But when they pay off, you
23:48
do get behavior change. You get people on
23:50
the shop floor saying, I have ideas on
23:52
how to reduce scrap or improve quality. The
23:54
concept is not a new one. In
23:57
the 70s, Congress passed laws to encourage
23:59
employees. ownership, a story 60 Minutes
24:01
covered at the time. A year ago,
24:03
the 75 employers of this
24:05
company were told they were going to
24:08
become part owners, stockholders and infant specialties.
24:10
But as corporate America struggled with the
24:12
complexity of a new model, the effort
24:14
sputtered. Today, while it's common
24:16
for executives to be compensated with shares,
24:18
fewer than a quarter of private sector
24:21
employees own a stake in their company,
24:23
all as their wages and wealth have
24:25
stagnated. On this topic,
24:27
devout capitalist Pete Stavros can sound
24:30
downright revolutionary. You've
24:32
said the social contract in America is broken
24:34
right now. What do you mean by that?
24:36
That workers feel like they don't have hope,
24:39
they don't have a way to get ahead. There's
24:41
half of America earns an hourly wage. Most
24:44
of them have no assets, no
24:47
plans for a dignified retirement.
24:50
This Stavros says it's not as
24:52
bad for society, it's bad for balance
24:54
sheets. 70% of America doesn't like their
24:56
jobs. Somewhere around 20% hate their
24:59
jobs, but they're throwing the proverbial wrenches in the
25:01
machinery. Like, sabotage. Sabotaging their
25:03
own employer. That's bad for human beings,
25:05
it's bad for our economy. You very
25:08
clear, though, this is not charity, this
25:10
isn't philanthropy, this isn't socialism, you are
25:12
making a business
25:14
case. This is the
25:17
right thing to do that also
25:19
happens to be good business. His obsession
25:21
with employee ownership traces to his working
25:23
class upbringing outside Chicago. His
25:25
father paved roads for a construction
25:27
company. And the lessons around the
25:30
dinner table from my sister and I were really
25:32
about the plight of the hourly worker. And there's
25:34
no incentive. I mean, the thing that
25:36
really drove my dad crazy, he used to talk about the
25:38
need to just work steady. If you
25:40
work too fast and you're too productive, your hours
25:42
go down and your paycheck goes down. You
25:45
need hours. You need hours. In
25:47
Harvard, Stavros published research on, you
25:49
guessed it, employee ownership. Once
25:52
he'd reached the gleaning offices of KKR, he
25:54
put the program into action, for the first
25:56
time in 2011. Today,
25:58
thanks to Pete Stavros. KKR has
26:01
implemented the model at 47
26:03
companies and counting. That's
26:05
100,000 employees globally, union,
26:07
non-union, in manufacturing, e-commerce,
26:10
even book publishing. Will
26:12
you do a deal that doesn't have employee ownership now?
26:15
In the U.S. now. We've been at this almost 15 years. This
26:19
is the new way we are operating. This is
26:21
the model. In February, we
26:23
visited a recent KKR acquisition,
26:25
Potter Global Technologies in St.
26:27
Louis, manufacturer of fire protection
26:29
equipment. Employees were first
26:31
learning the details of their new ownership
26:33
plan. It was part
26:36
pep rally, part
26:40
polished TED Talk. As
26:42
of today, you're a part of a movement. A
26:45
movement to change the way ownership is shared in
26:47
corporate America. Afterward, we sat
26:50
down with factory employees Debbie Brumit,
26:52
Craig Leppert, Mike Irby, Donna Henson
26:54
and Gina Grant to hear their
26:56
reaction. We kept hearing employees start
26:58
thinking like owners. What
27:06
does that mean? It's easy to spend somebody else's money,
27:08
but when you work for it and you own it,
27:10
it's a difference. When it's your money. These
27:12
big checks, that's a motivation? Absolutely.
27:15
They said no, the payouts and
27:17
what it can potentially bring in my future. This
27:19
is actually something I have prayed for.
27:21
It's personal to me. The
27:24
aim is for employees like these
27:26
to get checks equivalent to at
27:28
least a year's salary when KKR
27:30
sells the company five or so
27:33
years later. Congratulations on becoming owners.
27:35
Stavros also offers workers free financial
27:37
literacy training to better understand the
27:39
economics. But he is
27:41
quick to stress, any payout depends
27:44
on how the company performs and
27:46
whether KKR sells at significant profit.
27:50
There is no downside because workers are not investing
27:52
out of their own pocket, but
27:54
there is definitely no guarantee. We always
27:56
say we need to perform for
27:58
this to work. to have that ceremony
28:01
on the shop floor of, look, we're
28:05
selling, but unfortunately there's no pot
28:07
at the end of the rainbow. We haven't had
28:09
that yet. It will happen. That day will come.
28:11
We've been fortunate so far. Pete
28:14
Stavros has his critics. This, after
28:16
all, is private equity, the sector
28:18
often vilified for its aggressive business
28:20
practices. Here are some of
28:22
the critiques we've heard about your efforts. It's
28:24
greenwashing, it's whitewashing, it's mostly public relations, it's
28:27
a watering down of the real employee
28:29
ownership. What do you say
28:32
to detractors like that? When you look at what workers
28:34
are getting, I just think there's too much substance for
28:36
someone to shrug it off and say, ah, that's just,
28:38
that's fake. Coming
28:40
from a sector that doesn't traditionally
28:42
act like this, that tends
28:44
to cut jobs and tends to squeeze profits
28:46
and tends to hollow out companies, does that
28:49
create an additional challenge for you? Well, I
28:51
don't agree with that characterization. You don't? No.
28:53
I think certainly mistakes have been
28:55
made both in
28:58
our industry and in capitalism. If all
29:01
private equity was doing was plundering, I just
29:03
don't think it would be where it's at,
29:06
which is continuing to gain
29:09
market share. Stavros does concede that when
29:11
there is a sale, top executives stand
29:13
to make orders of magnitude more than
29:15
rank and file workers, tens
29:17
of millions of dollars. I think that's
29:19
one of the things that I
29:21
struggle with about employee ownership
29:23
in general. It's giving people a chance to get
29:26
a leg up, but it is not going to
29:28
solve the wealth inequality problem that we have. Talk
29:31
about this yawning wealth gap
29:33
we have in the country.
29:35
Does private equity help that gap or help
29:38
create it? We're investing
29:41
capital, and that capital is owned for the most
29:43
part by wealthy people. It's just a fact of
29:45
life. So in a sense,
29:47
we are compounding the problem.
29:49
So we'll be experimenting. We'll
29:51
learn. An imperfect messenger, perhaps,
29:53
but Pete Stavros has emerged
29:55
as the leading employee ownership
29:57
apostle. He's founded a nonprofit.
30:00
that teaches executives how to deploy the
30:02
model. He crisscrosses the country
30:04
preaching his gospel at business schools and
30:07
before DC lawmakers, advocating to
30:09
update the tax code to
30:11
incentivize employee ownership, which he
30:13
hopes will soon be standard
30:16
business practice, not an exotic
30:18
exception. This is an unbelievably
30:20
popular idea with liberal
30:22
progressives and MAGA Republicans and everything in between.
30:24
You can make this palatable to anyone on
30:27
the spectrum. That's right. It's not a government
30:29
handout. This is a benefit tied to work.
30:31
And the outcomes are driven by performance. And
30:34
about performance. Nothing has matched
30:36
that of CHI in Arthur,
30:38
Illinois. In 2022, KKR
30:40
sold the business for a
30:42
10-fold return. Employees were
30:44
again summoned to the factory floor. They
30:47
knew they stood to gain, but not precisely
30:49
how much. Pete gets
30:51
up there and announces what the payouts are
30:54
gonna be. You're smiling. Yeah, yeah. Obviously,
30:56
I'm excited for myself. I mean, how could you not be?
31:00
And they start tossing those numbers around. Even
31:02
our newest colleagues are gonna get a meaningful
31:04
payout of $20,000. Oh!
31:10
$20,000, $50,000, $100,000.
31:12
Holy cow. They
31:16
haven't even got to 19 years yet, right? You're
31:19
your seniority level. The payout is six
31:22
and a half times. Absolutely. Brown
31:27
and Crystal were too modest to reveal exact numbers, but
31:30
told us their check was in the mid six
31:32
figures. Life changing. Absolutely. And
31:34
not just for us, for our kids too. Yeah. Our
31:37
kids don't have to worry
31:39
about us being stressed out about money. We're not
31:41
working night shifts. The Edwards
31:43
family donated to their church. They finally paid
31:46
off that credit card debt. And
31:49
they started a college fund for their kids and for
31:51
Brad. Still at
31:53
CHI, he's studying for his bachelor's degree at
31:55
night. These stories
31:58
rippled across Arthur after the summer. sale
32:00
as CHI employees had money
32:02
to spend in and on
32:04
the community. I'm curious do
32:06
you think this idea of hey employees
32:09
can turn into employee owners
32:11
is that a challenge or is that hey it can
32:13
happen in the middle of Illinois it can happen anywhere? Absolutely
32:16
it can happen anywhere. You
32:20
know look outside of my window
32:22
you're gonna see a house and miles
32:25
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32:27
here where can it not happen. But
32:29
this might be the biggest payoff of
32:31
all. Employee ownership was not
32:33
a fad or a one-time windfall. After
32:36
KKR sold the workers got a stake in
32:38
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32:41
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the school year ends, many students will
34:05
be only too happy to see math
34:07
classes in their rearview mirrors. It
34:10
may seem to some of us non-mathematicians
34:12
that geometry and trigonometry were created by
34:14
the Greeks as a form of torture.
34:17
So imagine our amazement when we
34:19
heard two high school seniors had
34:22
proved a mathematical puzzle that was
34:24
thought to be impossible for two
34:26
thousand years. We met
34:28
Calci Johnson and Nakia Jackson at
34:31
their all-girls Catholic high school in
34:33
New Orleans. We expected
34:35
to find two mathematical prodigies. Instead,
34:39
we found at St. Mary's Academy all
34:41
students are told their possibilities
34:44
are boundless. For
34:52
Mardi Gras season, New Orleans
34:54
is alive with colorful parades,
34:56
replete with floats and beads and
34:59
high school marching bands. In
35:03
a city where uniqueness is
35:05
celebrated, St. Mary's stands out,
35:07
with young African-American women playing
35:09
trombones in Cuba, twirling batons
35:11
and dancing, doing it all,
35:14
which define St. Mary's, students told
35:16
us. Junior Christina Blasio
35:18
says the school instills in
35:20
them they have the ability
35:23
to accomplish anything. That
35:25
is kind of a standard here, so we aim
35:27
very high. Our
35:29
aim is excellent for all students. The
35:32
private Catholic elementary and high school sits
35:34
behind the Sisters of the Holy Family
35:36
Convent in New Orleans East. The
35:39
academy was started by an African-American
35:41
nun for young black women just
35:43
after the Civil War. The
35:46
church still supports the school with the
35:48
help of alumni. In
35:50
December 2022, Seniors
35:52
Nakia Jackson and Kalsy Johnson
35:54
were working on a school-wide
35:56
math contest that came with
35:58
a cash prize. I was
36:01
motivated because there was a
36:03
monetary incentive because I was like $500 is a lot
36:05
of money So I would like
36:07
to at least try Both
36:09
were staring down the thorny
36:12
bonus question. So tell me
36:14
what was this
36:16
bonus question? It was
36:18
to create a new proof of the Pythagorean theorem
36:21
and it kind of gave you a few guidelines
36:23
on how would you start a proof? the
36:26
seniors were familiar with the Pythagorean
36:28
theorem a fundamental principle of geometry
36:30
you may remember it from high
36:33
school a squared plus b squared
36:35
equals c squared in plain
36:37
English When you know the lengths
36:39
of two sides of a right triangle, you can
36:41
figure out the length of the third Both
36:44
had studied geometry and some trigonometry
36:47
and both told us math was
36:49
not easy What
36:51
no one told them was there'd been
36:53
more than 300 documented
36:55
proofs of the Pythagorean theorem
36:57
using algebra and geometry but
37:00
for 2,000 years a
37:02
proof using trigonometry was thought
37:04
to be impossible and
37:07
that was the bonus question facing
37:09
them when you looked at the
37:11
question, did you Think
37:13
boy, this is hard Yeah,
37:16
what motivated you to say? Well, I'm gonna try
37:18
this. I think I was like I
37:21
started something I need to finish it. So
37:23
you just kept on going. Yeah for
37:26
two months that winter They spent
37:28
almost all their free time working
37:30
on the proof. She was
37:32
like mom. This is a little bit too
37:34
much CC and Cal
37:36
Johnson are Calci's parents So then
37:39
I started looking at what she really was
37:41
doing and it was pages and pages
37:43
and pages of like over 20 or 30 Pages
37:46
for this one problem. Yeah, the guy
37:48
was getting was full of papers, which she would,
37:50
you know work out the problems and If
37:53
that didn't work, she had balled it up
37:55
through in the trash. Did you look at
37:57
the problem now? Liska Jackson
37:59
is The Coyotes mother
38:01
personally. I. Then that doesn't.
38:04
Look as I'll add on to say which is though I. At
38:07
what if we did this would five
38:09
crisis. Does this help a x square
38:12
your most Teachers Michelle Blue and Williams
38:14
initiated the mass contest and did you
38:16
think anyone would solve it? Well,
38:18
I wasn't necessarily looking for solve, so
38:21
no at removing for I was just
38:23
looking for some ingenuity. You know, Chelsea
38:26
and the Coyote delivered on that.
38:29
They tried to explain their groundbreaking
38:31
work to Sixty Minutes. Chelsea's proof
38:33
is appropriately titled the Waffle Cone.
38:35
So to start the proof, We
38:38
start with just a regular right
38:40
triangle. Where the angle in
38:42
the corner is by a degrees
38:44
and the to angles are alpha
38:46
and beta. So then what we
38:48
do next is we draw a
38:50
second can grow in which means
38:53
they're equal in size. But then
38:55
we started creating similar but smaller
38:57
right triangles. Going in a
38:59
pattern like this of in a continues
39:02
for infinity and eventually it creates this
39:04
larger waffle cone shaped. Am I
39:06
going a little to show you been
39:08
beyond me since about six or so?
39:11
How does you figure out the proof?
39:13
Came so that have a right
39:15
triangle, ninety degree angle. Alpha
39:18
Data. From would as you do. Have
39:21
a. Tangle inside a
39:23
circle. And. I
39:25
have a perpendicular by scepter
39:27
at o p C divide
39:29
the tranquil to make that
39:31
that small by triangle. And
39:34
that's basically what are these for?
39:36
The proof? That proof that's
39:38
what I call a movie. Or
39:41
think. Vivid been
39:43
one other documented proof of the
39:45
serum using trigonometry by mathematician Jason
39:47
Zimmer in Two Thousand and Nine.
39:50
One in two thousand Years Now
39:52
it seems Decline and Kelsey of
39:55
join perhaps the most exclusive club
39:57
in mathematics. so you both. independently
40:00
came up with proof
40:04
that only used trigonometry.
40:06
Yes. So are
40:08
you math geniuses? I
40:12
think that's a stretch. If not genius,
40:14
you're really smart at math. Not
40:17
at all. Yeah. To
40:19
document Kalsy and Nakaya's work, math
40:21
teachers at St. Mary's submitted their
40:24
proofs to an American Mathematical Society
40:26
conference in Atlanta in March, 2023.
40:30
Well, our teacher approached us and was like,
40:32
hey, you might be able to actually present this.
40:34
I was like, are you joking? But
40:37
she wasn't. So we went, I
40:39
got up there, we presented, and it
40:41
went well, and it blew up. It
40:44
blew up. Yeah. It blew up.
40:46
Yeah. What was the blow up like? Insane,
40:49
unexpected, crazy,
40:52
honestly. Today's story
40:54
features two local students, Kalsy
40:56
Johnson and Nakaya Jackson. It
40:59
took millennia to prove, but just a
41:01
minute for word of their accomplishment to
41:03
go around the world. They
41:05
got a write-up in South Korea and
41:08
a shout-out from former First Lady
41:10
Michelle Obama, a commendation from the
41:12
governor, and keys to the city
41:14
of New Orleans. Why
41:16
do you think so many people found what
41:18
you did to be so impressive? Probably because
41:20
we're African-American, one, and
41:23
also women. So I think, oh, and
41:25
our age, of course, our age has probably
41:27
played a big part. So you
41:29
think people were surprised that young
41:31
African-American women could do such a
41:34
thing? Yeah, definitely. I'd like to actually
41:36
be celebrated for what it is. Like,
41:38
it's a great mathematical achievement. Achievement,
41:41
that's a word you hear often
41:43
around St. Mary's Academy. Kalsy
41:46
and Nakaya follow a long
41:48
line of barrier-breaking graduates. So
41:51
good, oh. The late queen of Creole
41:53
cooking, Leah Chase, was an alum. So
41:56
was the first African-American female New
41:58
Orleans police chief. Michelle Woodfork
42:01
and judge for the Fifth
42:03
Circuit Court of Appeals, Dana
42:05
Douglas. Math teacher Michelle
42:08
Bluhan Williams told us, Calci
42:10
and Nakia are typical St.
42:12
Mary's students. They're not unicorns.
42:14
Oh, no. If they
42:16
are unicorns, then every single lady that
42:19
has matriculated through this school is a
42:21
beautiful black unicorn.
42:24
You're yours? Pamela Rogers, St. Mary's
42:26
president and interim principal, told us
42:28
the students hear that message from
42:31
the moment they walk in the
42:33
door. We believe all students
42:35
can succeed. All students can
42:37
learn. It does not matter the environment
42:40
that you live in. So, when word
42:42
went out that two
42:45
of your students had solved this
42:47
almost impossible math problem, were they
42:49
universally applauded? In this community, they
42:52
were greatly applauded. Across the country,
42:54
there were many naysayers. Or the
42:57
shame. They were saying, oh, they
42:59
could not have done it. African-Americans
43:01
don't have the brains to do
43:04
it. Of course, we sheltered our
43:06
girls from that, but we absolutely
43:08
did not expect it to come
43:11
in the volume that it came.
43:14
And after such a wonderful
43:16
achievement. People
43:18
have a vision of who
43:21
can be successful. And
43:25
to some people, it is not
43:28
always an African-American female,
43:31
and to it is an African-American female.
43:34
What we know is when teachers lay
43:36
out some expectations that say, you
43:39
can do this, kids
43:42
will work as hard as they can to
43:44
do it. Gloria Ladson Billings,
43:47
professor emeritus at the University
43:49
of Wisconsin, has studied how
43:51
best to teach African-American students.
43:54
She told us an encouraging teacher
43:56
can change a life. And
43:59
what's the difference? say between having
44:01
a teacher like that and a
44:04
whole school dedicated
44:07
to the excellence
44:09
of these students. So a whole school is
44:12
almost like being in heaven. What do you
44:14
mean by that? Many
44:16
of our young people have their
44:19
ceilings lowered. That somewhere
44:21
around fourth or fifth
44:23
grade, their thoughts are, I'm
44:26
not going to be anything special. What
44:29
I think is probably happening at St.
44:31
Mary's is young women come in as
44:33
perhaps ninth graders and are told, here's what
44:35
we expect to happen and here's how
44:37
we're going to help you get there.
44:40
Who is the author of this story? At St.
44:42
Mary's, half the students get scholarships
44:44
subsidized by fundraising to defray the
44:46
$8,000 a year tuition. Here,
44:50
there's no test to get in, but
44:52
expectations are high and rules
44:55
are strict. No cell
44:57
phones, modest skirts, hair
44:59
must be its natural color. Students,
45:02
Raya Sadiq, Summer Ford,
45:04
Carissa Washington, Tatum Williams
45:07
and Christina Blasio told
45:09
us they appreciate the rules and
45:11
rigor. Especially the standards that they
45:13
set for us, they're very high and I don't
45:16
think that's ever going to change. So
45:18
is there a heart of philosophy
45:20
and essence to St.
45:22
Mary's? Sisterhood. Sisterhood.
45:25
Sisterhood. Yes. And
45:27
you don't mean the nuns, you mean... I mean, yeah. You. So
45:30
when you're here, there's
45:33
just no question that you're going to go on
45:35
to college. College is all I've been talking
45:37
about. And, Arizona
45:39
State University. Principal
45:42
Rogers announces to her 615
45:44
students the college is where every
45:46
senior has been accepted. So
45:49
for 17 years, you've had a
45:51
100% graduation rate and a 100% college acceptance rate. That's
45:57
correct. Nakia Jackson. Last
46:01
year, when Nikaya and Kelsey graduated,
46:04
all their classmates went to college
46:06
and got scholarships. Nikaya got
46:08
a full ride to the pharmacy school
46:10
at Xavier University in New Orleans. Kelsey,
46:13
the class valedictorian, is studying environmental
46:15
engineering at Louisiana State University. So,
46:18
wait a minute. Neither one of
46:20
you is going to pursue a
46:22
career in math? No. No.
46:26
I'm a minor in math, but I don't want
46:28
that to be my job job.
46:32
People might expect too much out of me. I'm a
46:34
part of my petition. But
46:36
math is not completely in their
46:38
rearview mirrors. This spring,
46:40
they submitted their high school proofs
46:43
for final peer review and publication,
46:46
and are still working on further proofs
46:48
of the Pythagorean theorem. Since
46:50
their first two... We found five, and
46:52
then we found a general format that
46:55
could potentially produce at least five
46:57
additional proofs. And you're not
46:59
math geniuses. No. No.
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the last minute of 60 Minutes. Tonight
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an update of the story from
48:18
October, a quiet invasion of the
48:20
country of Georgia. As
48:22
the nation's president, Salome Zorabishvili,
48:25
told Sharon Alfonse, Russia
48:27
occupies 20 percent of Georgia,
48:29
even as Georgia applies for membership
48:31
in the European Union. A
48:34
proposed law in Georgia's parliament could
48:36
scuttle that membership. Resembling
48:38
Russian legislation, it opens the
48:40
way for a crackdown on
48:42
journalists, aid groups, and other
48:44
international agencies, and may draw
48:47
Georgia away from democracy and
48:49
closer to Russia's orbit. This
48:51
past week, Georgians took to the
48:53
streets in protest. They faced
48:56
off against water cannons, tear gas,
48:58
and riot police. Parliament
49:01
is expected to pass the law, but Georgia's
49:03
president, Zorabishvili, has promised
49:05
a veto. I'm
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Bill Whitaker. You'll be back
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