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nation's number one football phone-in. It's time

1:35

for you to have your say about

1:37

your club. Or maybe I

1:39

should say your nation or your shirt. And

1:43

after an unhappy ending for England. Andreas

1:45

Pereira after dunk headed it to him. Now

1:48

through the middle with Vanishes. Vanishes for the chance. He

1:50

bounces to Hendrik who might have been in an

1:52

offside position nor the flag stays down. And

1:56

Hendrik, the 17-year-old, scores

1:58

his first goal for the Brazil here

2:00

at Wembley Stadium against England.

2:03

England defensively poor but did that

2:05

performance alter your thought on England's

2:08

chances this summer? No

2:11

not really I think England have a team

2:13

who are very very capable, I look around

2:15

Europe and I think who has a squad

2:17

as strong as ours? Maybe France but

2:20

these friendly games I don't read too much into

2:22

them but do the fans. No

2:25

Kane or Saki yesterday and they really

2:27

did feel like they were missed so call

2:29

us England fans what did you think of

2:31

the performance and who do you think plays

2:33

up front this summer? I also want to

2:35

hear from Wales and Scotland fans tonight it

2:37

was a good day for Robbie and it was a

2:40

bad day for me. Oh

2:42

brilliant from Dan James, Rob's the defender,

2:44

James is through, takes it round the

2:46

keeper and puts the icing

2:49

on the cake for Wales. Now then

2:51

into the poverty area, Portis couldn't stop

2:53

and sees poor super

2:55

finish by Daniel Mallor

2:58

he has bullied the Scotland defence again

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feel very much alive and cooking

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they play Poland for a place

3:25

at the euro Scotland of course

3:27

already there but do you think that was a

3:29

knock for Scotland Chris? I'm

3:32

not going to read too much into it Scotland

3:34

were actually good for 70 minutes they had chances

3:36

they didn't take them okay well they haven't won

3:39

in six but they won when it mattered I

3:41

still think that Scotland are in pretty good shape

3:43

under Steve Clark going into the euro. Yes Chris

3:45

that's what I wanted to hear call us

3:47

Scotland fans it might be six games since

3:49

we've won but are you worried and Wales

3:51

fans how are you feeling can you beat

3:53

the polls it's 0 8 0 8 5 9 0 9 6

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9 3 now in the WSL it's What

4:00

man? It's Chelsea and it's lying

4:02

right now. It's the hail sahees. Yeah

4:05

and it's West Ham nil, Chelsea one month

4:07

lead. It's a very even contest despite

4:09

Chelsea leading by that goal to nil.

4:11

Aggie Beva Jones after two minutes she

4:13

put Chelsea into the lead. West Ham

4:15

have missed three glorious chances and had

4:18

a good goal ruled out for offside.

4:20

We started in the second half, Chelsea

4:22

leading West Ham by a goal to

4:24

nil. So that goal will put

4:26

Chelsea back to the top of the WSL. That

4:28

was yesterday after 40,000 watched

4:30

the Manchester Derby at 60, taking on

4:32

United. And it was a brilliant, brilliant

4:35

atmosphere as well. So who else do you want to

4:37

hear from tonight, Chris? Want to hear,

4:39

Natalie, from Nottingham Forest fans back

4:41

in the relegation zone on a

4:43

points reduction. Nottingham Forest fans clearly

4:45

will be unhappy about that. I

4:47

know Nottingham Forest are appealing

4:50

it. But let's hear from you Chesterfield

4:52

fans. What a great story back in

4:54

the football league. Love to hear from

4:56

a spywright. And finally

4:58

I know people have had

5:01

very strong opinions on the flag on the

5:03

back of the England shirt collar. Not

5:05

the typical red but six colours,

5:07

purple, blue and a few shades

5:09

of red. How do you feel about

5:12

that? Are you offended? Does it

5:14

bother you? So whoever your club, this

5:16

is your chance. Come on, give us a

5:18

ring. Your club could be on the radio.

5:20

You just talking about your club. We're here

5:22

till 7pm. Give us a ring.

5:24

We're taking calls on the weekend football. The number is 08085 909

5:26

693. Oh,

5:34

Chris, it's lovely to be back. Oh,

5:36

it is. Yep. Yep. And with

5:38

you and not Robbie, Robbie's weekend

5:41

off. I don't think he takes enough weekends off, you know,

5:43

Chris. I think we should try and get him to take a few more.

5:46

Oh, no, I'm with you. Well, we

5:48

got our first caller. It's Anthony. Good

5:50

evening, Anthony. You an England fan? Yes.

5:55

Yes. I don't

5:58

know what to make of that last night. I

6:00

mean I felt Folly Watkins, everyone's

6:04

only needed his chance with Harry Kane

6:06

injured. I didn't think he got much

6:08

service at all. But

6:12

I think with the quality of players

6:14

that we've got in

6:17

depth as well, if

6:19

we don't win the Euros, Harris has

6:21

got to go. I

6:24

mean it's as simple as that for

6:26

you, is it? So if England perform

6:28

well in the Euros, they'll get to

6:30

the final and lose by a

6:32

deflected goal, but they dominate

6:35

the game. You still think Gareth would

6:37

have to step down then, do you? Yeah,

6:39

I do. I think the last

6:41

two tournaments that we've come away

6:43

from, we've come back with a wooden spoon. There's

6:47

obviously been some progression,

6:50

yes, granted, and Gareth

6:52

should be rewarded for that. Unfortunately

6:56

it might be time for someone to

6:58

take them that one step forward. So

7:02

I mean what are the positives

7:04

going into the tournament then for

7:07

England? I think you've got to

7:09

look at the likes of the performances at the moment,

7:11

the likes of Dex and Rice. I

7:13

mean I'm not being biased as an Arsenal fan. Phil

7:17

Foden, I mean look at him at the moment. He

7:19

is on absolute fire. Oliwok

7:23

is, and it's great to finally see

7:26

an England manager picking players on form.

7:29

Now the only thing I would have

7:32

against Gareth Southgate, again

7:34

particularly with this squad, how

7:36

on earth did Marcus Rashford

7:38

get onto that pitch last night based

7:40

on current form? Because

7:45

for me he hasn't been anywhere near

7:47

the thought of the level that the

7:49

likes of Phil Foden has. So

7:53

Phil Foden started, so are you talking about,

7:55

I think Madison never

7:57

came on yesterday? Do

8:00

you think Marcus Rashford would

8:02

feel slightly annoyed that Anthony

8:04

Gordon got the nod over

8:07

him to start? Maybe, maybe,

8:09

but again he's doing the job

8:11

for Newcastle. So

8:15

you've got to give some of them

8:17

a chance. Have

8:20

a look at the alternatives. If, God

8:24

forbid, the likes of Foden or Saka,

8:26

whoever got injured, leading

8:28

up to the tournament so Gareth

8:30

did have to have a look at the likes

8:33

of Anthony Gordon. Why

8:35

has James Madison never got a chance? I

8:37

do not know whether he's carrying a knock

8:39

or he thinks they've used him to Belgium

8:41

on Tuesday night. Who knows?

8:44

But, I mean, for me, and I

8:46

had a chat with my friend yesterday, for

8:48

me a

8:51

replacement for Gareth Southgate would be Jurgen Klopp. Ooh.

8:56

Yeah, to best out young players, I mean, you

8:58

look at these young players coming to Liverpool. Years

9:01

and Klopp, for me. Do you think he'd

9:03

be interested, Anthony? I

9:05

don't know. I honestly don't know. But,

9:08

I mean, they never thought a Swede would

9:10

manage England with Fengor and Ericsson. Surely

9:13

he'd be looking at... Surely

9:17

Jurgen Klopp would prioritise with the German

9:19

job though, wouldn't he? Yeah,

9:22

unfortunately, but apparently FA go all

9:24

the way up and try and

9:27

get him in. Interesting,

9:31

Anthony. Thank you so much. Thank

9:33

you. If you'd like to have your

9:35

say on England, let us know what you think. Do

9:37

you think that Jurgen Klopp would be a

9:39

good replacement for Southgate? 0-8-0-8-5. We're

9:42

going to the major major tournament

9:44

and they already talk about, you

9:46

know, that's the negativity. If

9:49

England don't perform, then that's on Gareth

9:52

and, you know, let's replace him. I

9:54

think he gets a hard ride, I

9:56

do. You know, I really do. You

9:58

know, Anthony mentioned progression. I'm wondering, you

10:01

know, when he took over, you know, he

10:03

took over a real mess, didn't he?

10:06

There's been a World Cup semi-final, World

10:08

Cup quarter-final, Euros finals, so close it

10:10

was penalty kicks, albeit it didn't perform

10:12

well in the final. I'm not

10:14

saying yesterday was great, it wasn't, Natalie.

10:17

It seemed a little bit flat. I think

10:19

England looked vulnerable at the

10:21

back, but, you know, reasons for that. I

10:23

think when England, when Harry Kane comes back

10:26

and Saki,

10:28

look at that England team, even if it does click, I

10:30

think they've got a right chance. Do you know what, Chris?

10:32

I feel like I was in this exact position before the

10:34

World Cup and we were having these exact same

10:36

phone calls and these exact same conversations

10:38

about Southgate being replaced before the World

10:40

Cup. Yeah, but, you know, what does

10:43

he, I mean, what does he

10:45

have to do? Well, I think Anthony said it, didn't he?

10:47

He has to, you know, he has to win the Euros,

10:49

but there is, I don't

10:51

think he, I don't personally don't think he gets

10:54

enough credit. Are there Gareth Fanns out there? I'd

10:56

love to speak to a Gareth Fann, you know.

10:58

If you think Gareth Southgate is the man to

11:00

lead England to glory, it's 085 909693 because we've

11:03

got Mick from Basingstoke on the line. And Mick,

11:05

you don't think Gareth Southgate is the man to

11:08

lead England? Even

11:10

in that evening, Chris. No, I don't. Why?

11:14

He doesn't

11:16

encourage the players to express themselves. I

11:18

mean, he doesn't get the right. Well,

11:22

you can see by the way they play, Chris. I mean,

11:24

it's almost like they've been told to go out and play

11:26

with a handbrake on. There's

11:28

no attacking. I mean, as Anthony

11:30

said, you've got Ekla

11:33

Rice, you've got Phil

11:35

Foden, Jude Bellingham.

11:38

I mean, the list is endless of world

11:40

class or potential world class players. We've got.

11:42

But are you basically? He can't get the

11:44

game to play a tune. I've

11:46

been saying it since he took

11:49

over, basically. I don't think

11:51

he's the man for the job. I

11:56

don't think he had enough club experience. Okay,

12:00

well that's enough experience and

12:02

I sort of understand that

12:04

but I think when somebody goes into

12:06

a job, you look

12:10

at that particular person and

12:12

you come to an opinion based

12:14

on how they perform.

12:17

And Gareth has performed well as England

12:19

manager. The team have progressed. Going into

12:21

this talk... I think that's despite of...

12:24

Really? That's really

12:27

harsh, isn't it? Do

12:29

you think that's in spite of Gareth?

12:32

Yeah, I mean he refuses to pick

12:35

players in form. He

12:37

refuses to drop players out of form.

12:40

I mean he said when he came in eight years

12:42

ago that form would be

12:44

the key to getting into his

12:46

England side. Give us an example, then. James Ward Prowse

12:49

has had... James Ward

12:51

Prowse, he was pulling

12:53

up trees at Southampton, on the verge suddenly

12:55

went out of favour. Harry

12:57

Maguire couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo

13:00

at times and he was never

13:02

dropped. Calvin Phillips couldn't get a

13:04

minute of Man City was never

13:07

dropped. Well he's dropped it, he's dropped it

13:09

now. I'm with you with

13:11

Harry Maguire. I don't think he

13:13

had a choice with Calvin Phillips because he can't even

13:15

do it at West Ham. No

13:17

difference to West Ham. But

13:19

with the Harry Maguire thing,

13:21

was he not proven right with that?

13:24

To be fair to Gareth for a second, because I

13:27

didn't think at that time he should have gone

13:30

to Qatar based on what you're saying. He wasn't

13:32

playing for his club. So you think, well, if

13:34

he's not playing for his club, how can you actually gauge

13:37

that? But he performed well, didn't he,

13:40

in Qatar? That's the

13:42

bottom line. He's played well lately.

13:45

But Marcus Rashford has exactly been ripping

13:47

up trees for Man United. Anthony

13:49

Gordon, so you're talking about not playing players

13:51

in form. Anthony Gordon's been good for Newcastle.

13:53

He's a player in form. Gareth's getting plenty

13:55

of them. Yeah, and as Anthony said,

13:57

he picks players. I

14:00

mean, there's so many there's on

14:02

a Cody. He

14:04

was playing well and was like a bit

14:07

part player for England. I mean, you've got

14:09

you've got Garros little favourites. I'm sure you

14:11

have. I mean, he won't play Grealish and

14:13

Foden in the same team. All

14:16

right, Grealish is is injured at the moment. So

14:18

that's probably a bit of a moot point. But

14:21

Phil Foden from Man City is

14:23

world class. For England, he looks

14:25

like public class. I

14:28

mean, I don't know if it's the standard of the

14:30

players around him, but it shouldn't be. You've got Jude

14:33

Bellingham, you've got Declan Rice.

14:37

You've got some cracking players in that side. But

14:39

you don't think that Grealish looks phenomenal. Jude

14:41

Bellingham in an England jersey looks

14:44

phenomenal, doesn't he? So so what's you

14:47

know, he he does. But he's

14:50

the exception that proves the role.

14:52

He he it's

14:54

almost like he says, well, I don't care what you think. I'm

14:56

going to go out and I'm going to play my football. And

14:58

if you don't like it, lump it and

15:01

pull me off if you dare. But

15:03

there's so many players that look, I

15:05

don't know, isolated, almost scared to

15:08

express themselves under Gareth. It's like,

15:11

you know, I can't do that because you

15:13

won't pick me again. I mean, Trent, when

15:15

he's fit, Trent Alexander Arnold, you

15:17

can barely get a look in. I

15:20

mean, I wouldn't play him at left back. I

15:22

play him at left midfield like he started to

15:24

do for Liverpool. Right

15:26

back, right back, fair enough. Yeah,

15:29

right back, right. But fair

15:31

play. That's where Gareth started to play him

15:33

for England against Jurgen Klopp's wishes and now

15:37

Jurgen Klopp's decided, well, maybe there's

15:39

something in that. Just

15:43

just before we just before you go, I

15:45

mean, you made some interesting points. Is there

15:47

anything positive about Gareth

15:49

Sarsgate in your view? You look good

15:51

in the waistcoat. Oh,

15:55

Mick, is that it? He

15:58

interviews very well. I would imagine

16:00

the FA think, oh Greg, we've got a yes

16:02

man. Um, I

16:05

think Anthony before me had, can't

16:07

be a good point, Jurgen Klopp. Um,

16:11

but would the FA be too scared

16:13

to employ somebody like Jurgen Klopp, who

16:16

doesn't exactly strike me as a yes man. It'd

16:18

be his way or no way. You

16:21

and Anthony Mates, by the way, Mick, you sound like

16:23

you're your friend. No, no, no, no,

16:25

no, no, no. I've never met the guy.

16:28

But if we, if we can't get

16:30

Jurgen Klopp, then I don't

16:32

know who, who would want the job, to

16:35

be fair. Um, I think it's a

16:37

poison challenge. It goes right the way back to

16:39

when Brian Klopp was ripping up

16:41

trees for Forrest. He was the wrong sort

16:43

of man for England. Um,

16:46

the only decent managers we've had

16:48

since are probably Bobby, Bobby Robson

16:50

and Cherry Venables. They're,

16:52

they're the two, two eras. I

16:54

remember is getting

16:57

me off my seat when I was watching England. Mick.

17:01

Thank you. That's

17:04

a big, big statement that Chris, isn't it? Um,

17:07

yeah, it is when you look at the quality

17:09

of play that England have at this particular time.

17:11

And I thought

17:13

that was really harsh. Uh, the line

17:15

about the players playing, you know, in

17:17

spite of, uh, of, uh, of

17:20

Garroszka. I didn't, I didn't think that

17:22

was fair, but that's what, that's what

17:24

people are feeling. Come on, let's

17:26

get a Gareth fan on tonight and

17:28

tell us what's good about Gareth Southgate other

17:31

than his waistcoat. Right.

17:34

Give us a ring. Give us a ring. There must

17:36

be somebody out there that thinks that Gareth is a

17:38

good manager. Right. We're going to go check in with

17:40

the hail at West Palm playing Chelsea in the WSL.

17:42

We've paid 59 minutes here, Natalie. Still West

17:44

Ham nil. Chelsea won the

17:47

goal coming after the second minute

17:49

of the first half. Aggie Beaver

17:51

Jones with a six of the

17:53

WSL season put through with

17:55

a lovely flick by Lauren James West Ham with

17:58

a better side in the second half. they

18:00

really should have equalised in the first half

18:02

of the PEGI PADER, they really should have

18:04

equalised. But this second half is being flat

18:06

from both sides. But Chelsea are leading, and

18:09

as it stands, they'll be top of the

18:11

WSL at full-time. But currently, 60 minutes

18:13

played, West Ham nil, Chelsea 1. Thank

18:16

you, thank you so much. We'll keep checking in there.

18:18

That will take Chelsea back to the top of the

18:20

WSL. It is a very, very exciting running in the

18:23

WSL. I'd love to see some WSL fans as well,

18:25

by the way. It's 08085, 9096930. What

18:29

an incredible end to the WSL season we

18:31

are having. We are talking, though, a lot

18:34

about England. We've got loads and loads of

18:36

people calling up to speak to us about

18:38

England, Chris. Next up, it's Aaron. Aaron, good

18:40

evening. Evening,

18:42

Natalie. Even Chris. Hello, Aaron.

18:44

What did you make of last night, Aaron? How

18:46

are you feeling about Southgate and England? First

18:48

of all, Chris, the only good thing about

18:51

Gareth Southgate, he could be the next main

18:53

night manager. And

18:56

so that means that you are a

18:58

Manchester United fan or not? Yeah, a

19:00

main night fan, a big main night

19:02

fan. Would you like that? What's

19:06

that? You'd like Gareth to be

19:08

manager? I

19:10

don't think it's going to happen, mate. Yeah, but

19:12

that wasn't the question. Would you like Gareth Southgate

19:15

to be manager? No, mate. It's all about Tenhark

19:17

and the project. Right.

19:19

So Tenhark, one of those Manchester United fans who

19:23

think Tenhark has a future beyond this season,

19:25

then, yeah? Yeah, I do, mate. The

19:28

real reason I rang up was the three

19:31

in midfield yesterday, Bellingham,

19:33

Rice and Gallagher, it

19:35

didn't work. Unfortunately,

19:38

Gallagher was asked to do something.

19:42

What he does for his club, but not for England,

19:45

he was more than eight in a 10, but

19:48

we need him as a six. So I

19:50

was going to ask you and Natalie, who

19:53

is the right fit for that third choice?

19:55

Because everybody knows it's going to be Bellingham

19:57

and Rice. I just wanted to see if

19:59

you... give me a name or a couple

20:01

of names because they've tried Phillips, they've tried

20:04

Henderson, it doesn't work. They've

20:06

tried Gallagher last night, he got exposed.

20:09

What about, you're a Manchester

20:11

United fan, what about Kobe

20:14

Mainu? The

20:18

question everyone says, if you're

20:20

old enough, you're good enough. But

20:22

he's only paid 24 times for Maina

20:24

this season. How has he played

20:26

in those games? He's

20:31

been good mate, without Castamero he's

20:33

been great. But I'd

20:36

like to see him get minutes against Belgium on

20:38

Tuesday, but when he goes to

20:40

the Euros, that was really what I want to ask.

20:43

Well it's interesting because the

20:46

caller before you, you were saying Gareth doesn't

20:49

pick players on

20:51

form and yet Mainu's found his way into

20:55

the squad. Anthony Gordon's found

20:57

his way into the

20:59

squad. I think it's an interesting one, that midfield

21:01

area. I think you've made some

21:03

excellent... Who did that quit? At

21:07

this moment in time... Everyone knows he's going to

21:09

be spelling him in rice. So

21:13

I think you could move, well you

21:15

could have Rice Bellingham and Foden, you

21:17

could play him as

21:20

an eight because Saka will come back

21:22

into the side. You could play James

21:25

Madison. I actually thought that him not

21:27

getting on last night. I didn't quite

21:29

understand that from Gareth England. Had Huffden

21:31

puffed and not really been

21:33

that creative. He's a creative player so

21:35

I didn't get that one. But you're

21:37

right, it is that third place. Rice

21:39

and Bellingham are nailed on. I don't

21:42

think it's going to be Conor Gallagher who

21:44

actually did some okay things but just

21:47

maybe being a little bit harsh but may

21:49

not just be quite up to the level. I'm

21:54

a fan of Conor Gallagher you know Chris. I think

21:56

he's been one of Chelsea's much better players this

21:58

season. But do you see? him as

22:00

an England regular. I

22:03

don't know. I don't know. Aaron, thank you so

22:05

much. Aaron raises a great point. Reis

22:08

and Bellingham though, two of the best midfielders

22:10

in the world easily. So perhaps

22:12

we just need to focus on that Chris. Perhaps we need

22:14

to focus on that, you know. Well

22:17

focus on the good ones, but you know, there is

22:19

that place up for grabs. And I think, you know,

22:21

a lot of people ask, you know, thinking who's

22:23

going to be that third one. Oh

22:26

Chris, some good news. We've

22:29

got a Gary Southgate fan. Someone has called

22:31

up who thinks Gary Southgate is absolutely outstanding.

22:33

I think he's going to have Gary Southgate on. We've

22:36

got Francesco. Hello.

22:39

I've spoken to Chris before. I mean, originally I

22:42

was going to ring up to invite Robbie to

22:44

the game of the season at crew because we're

22:46

playing Rexum in April in what might be a

22:49

potential promotion decider. But as Robbie's not there, I can't

22:51

do that. So yeah, I would like to do that.

22:53

Are you not going to be in a fight up?

22:56

You two can come as well. Sorry. Yeah, I meant to

22:58

invite all three of you. I

23:01

love a league two game. We're going to get

23:04

the place rocking. Pardon. I love a league two

23:06

game. I've been to a lot of league two games this

23:08

season. So I would like that. Yeah,

23:10

get yourself down. We're hoping to fill it,

23:12

really get the place rocking. Obviously,

23:14

we don't have the same budgets as some of the

23:17

teams around us. But we're still

23:19

in the mix for promotion. We still

23:21

produce technically good players. So it's

23:23

looking like it's going to come down to

23:25

one of the final games of the season

23:27

for that third spot. So yeah, feel more

23:30

than welcome to get down there to crew

23:32

and we'll be there waiting for you all.

23:34

But back to Gareth Southgate. Genuinely

23:37

don't understand the criticism. If you look

23:39

at the facts, the facts are plain

23:41

and simple. He's the second

23:43

man. It only the second manager to take

23:46

an English side to a semifinal on foreign

23:48

soil along with Bobby Robson.

23:51

And that was in the World Cup. Not a

23:53

bad achievement after Alf Ramsey.

23:55

He's the only Englishman

23:57

to take England to a final.

24:00

of a major tournament, be

24:02

it World Cup or European

24:04

Championships. So what's everyone

24:07

getting worked up about? I just

24:10

don't understand it. And

24:12

you know off the back

24:15

of a friendly game against, oh right,

24:17

it wasn't the strongest Brazilian team and

24:19

they haven't been in the greatest of

24:21

form. But there's always

24:23

been this pile on Francesco and

24:26

I'm with you, I don't get

24:28

it. You know you look at the

24:30

job that he's done. He just, is it fair

24:32

to say that you know he had the first

24:35

caller on tonight saying we'd get yoga and club.

24:37

He's just not viewed as

24:39

trendy enough. So Chris

24:42

if you allow me, my late

24:44

father, God rest his soul, he

24:46

was Italian and he used to say to

24:48

me he never understood why. He said Italy

24:50

very often would just do enough. He

24:53

said he'd never understand why everyone just thought

24:55

England just need to go out and put

24:57

five past everyone and you all know better

24:59

than me. International football

25:01

at the elite level is

25:03

fine, fine, fine margins. And

25:06

England for me anyway,

25:08

they talk about the

25:10

generation of Gerrard,

25:13

Lampard etc. They were called

25:15

the golden generation weren't they?

25:17

And everybody had these great

25:19

hopes of England winning World

25:22

Cups and Euros. Yeah

25:24

and I was just, that's what I

25:26

was alluding to, you're absolutely spot on.

25:28

So yeah they did great but

25:31

this team's already passed that and

25:34

no one can dispute that. The facts

25:36

are there for everybody to see. This

25:38

time with Jude Bellingham who

25:41

is an absolute phenomenon

25:43

at the age of 20 to

25:45

produce him what to be producing

25:47

what he does at Real Madrid

25:49

is outstanding. There's some players

25:51

in there with experience from

25:53

the last European Championship.

25:57

Why not go to the Euros in the

25:59

summer with the belief that yeah maybe this

26:01

side can go one better. But is

26:04

it the football though Francesca? I know

26:06

what you're saying about the stats but are

26:08

these are are so many England fans upset

26:10

because of the standard of the football do

26:12

they want to see more exciting less conservative

26:15

football with some of these incredible

26:17

world-class attacking players that England has?

26:21

Yeah okay I totally get that but

26:23

then you look at Brazil and the

26:27

Brazilians even last night with a so-called

26:31

second string side I mean if

26:33

that's a second string string side

26:35

then I'm Peter Pan. They've

26:38

still got that flair when they're on the

26:40

ball because that's how they're brought up. England's

26:42

got outstanding players but when it comes to

26:44

the crunch what would people want? A

26:48

team that goes out and lifts a trophy or

26:50

a team that just another

26:52

team of nearly men. You

26:56

can only and Brazil to be fair

26:58

there's even the great Brazil side in

27:00

some of their major tournaments

27:02

I seem to remember a

27:05

narrow if my memory is correct because it was

27:07

a while ago but the semi-final in 2002 I

27:09

seem to remember

27:11

Brazil sneaking past Turkey one

27:13

mil in the semi-final you

27:16

can't always drink a

27:23

great bottle of red. If you drank

27:25

the same expensive bottle of red wine

27:27

every night of the week you'd get

27:29

sick of it and it's so hard

27:32

to replicate a 10 out

27:34

of 10 performance in tournament football.

27:36

So but people would

27:39

argue then Francesco and by the way I agree

27:41

with you but when was the last time England

27:43

had a 10 out of 10 performance in a

27:45

major tournament? Ah

27:50

we come to the crunch don't we? So

27:55

he cannot satisfy anybody

27:58

so let's say Gareth you get gets to the

28:00

semi, he gets to the final, okay,

28:03

but is that not good enough? You can

28:06

only have a plate what is in front

28:08

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28:10

you have to adapt the way you play

28:13

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28:15

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30:12

England had got to the second, got the second

30:14

goal against Italy, or they'd

30:16

gone for the second goal, pardon me, and

30:19

we conceded on the counter attack, I

30:21

guarantee you that everybody in the country would have

30:23

said, Oh, we should have just sat in and

30:25

sat in on the, and waited for the counter.

30:27

I think the thing is though, the only time

30:29

everybody in the country is going to agree is

30:31

when they win a tournament. And I think that

30:33

is, that is the problem that Gareth is having.

30:35

But thank you so much for your call. I

30:38

love the fact that we had a Gareth Southgate

30:40

fan call up, but without a trophy, Chris, I

30:42

don't think anything's going to unite England fans, but

30:44

we've got as many Wales or Scotland fans yet

30:46

as well. And I'd love to speak to them,

30:48

Chris. Yep. Yeah. So would

30:50

I Scotland to the slightly

30:52

unfortunate, you know, saw some of that

30:54

game and they actually played pretty well

30:56

in, in parts where they ended

30:59

up getting a thumping, but I think they've got a

31:01

lot to look forward to. Yeah. I think maybe the

31:03

score was a bit flattering to

31:05

the Netherlands, but I am, I am, I am

31:07

still a little bit concerned about Scotland's goal scoring

31:10

abilities, but then I think that's what I've said

31:12

before every, every tournament, the

31:14

last tournament, and then going back to the nineties

31:16

said Chris for those tournaments, but it's 0-8-0-8-5,

31:18

9-0-9-6-9-3. Wales fans, how

31:22

are you feeling ahead of the big game against Poland? Do

31:24

you think you're going to be joining England, Scotland at the

31:26

Euro? Easy to forget that you're Scottish.

31:30

That's because of your accent. I

31:32

know. Because of that, that's not

31:34

a strong Scottish, is it? Do

31:36

you know what, Chris? It's not your accent that defines

31:38

your nationality. Is

31:40

it your flag? Is

31:42

it your flag? Well, my flag's blue and white.

31:45

What about yours, Chris? Chris

31:50

is not sure anymore. Whatever

31:52

you'd like to talk about there, if you want to talk

31:54

about that England flag, if you want to talk about Scotland,

31:57

if you want to talk about Wales and indeed England fans,

31:59

Gary Southgate fans. You

32:01

are very, very welcome here. 08085

32:03

90969. The

32:08

UK's biggest before the bank. This

32:12

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Savage on 5L. Rummy

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Savage is having a well-deserved

32:31

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32:34

plenty more if you ask

32:36

me. 08085 909693. We've

32:41

been speaking to a lot of England fans

32:44

so far. And the England

32:46

shirt controversy sparks a very

32:48

lively debate on Nick Campbell's

32:50

show here on 5L on

32:52

Friday. You can have

32:54

your say too, but first of all,

32:56

have a little listen to some of these

32:58

opinions. The

33:00

St George's Cross, which is

33:03

represented both in itself

33:06

and as part as the union, UK, one

33:09

is ultimately trying to disassemble

33:12

all the parts and the actual

33:15

nationalism that that, I mean, the Scottish, they voted

33:17

on it and they still want to be part

33:19

of it. Only just what they

33:21

do. People died. They

33:23

went to war together to represent the nation.

33:26

And we're forgetting the history. We're

33:28

forgetting the love of the nation

33:30

to letting commercialism reign. Rosemary, this

33:32

is a football. Before,

33:35

excuse me, Nick, I do think this

33:37

is important. Do you know who I

33:40

think should have been asked before this

33:42

was changed and represented to the king?

33:45

I don't really care. I mean, I

33:47

think that Nike injected some colour into

33:50

this kit. They're trying

33:52

to do something and everyone has jumped onto

33:54

this culture or bandwagon. No, I might stop

33:56

watching football altogether as a result of this. Well,

34:01

yeah, good for you. Don't watch football

34:03

then. But it doesn't mean anything. It

34:05

doesn't have to mean anything. It can just

34:07

be a flag with some colour. It does

34:09

mean something. It doesn't have to mean

34:11

something. You're absolutely right. But it does

34:13

mean something. I'm very 50-50 about this

34:16

shirt. That is not a real St

34:18

George's Cross anyway. That is not the

34:20

colours of our nation. Now, if I

34:22

was to buy the kids' version of

34:24

this shirt, it would cost me £65. And

34:29

now they've got this funky new

34:31

design of, well, it's not even

34:33

a St George's Cross. Chris,

34:37

God, Chris, what do

34:39

you make? Do you like it? Do you

34:41

not like it? Do you care? I'm

34:46

not fussed. When this first broke

34:48

up, how do I feel about

34:50

it? I don't really care about

34:54

it. But I

34:57

always thought that there would be a huge commotion

35:00

over this because of,

35:02

you know, they have changed essentially

35:04

Nike, the St George's Cross. I

35:06

think Gareth Sashgate said he doesn't

35:08

recognise that as the St George's

35:11

Cross, the changes. And

35:13

people feel strongly about this sort

35:15

of stuff. It didn't offend me.

35:17

It was a kit design.

35:19

I just thought it was really dumb, a dumb

35:21

thing to do. And the FA, you know, they've

35:24

had to clear

35:26

this as well. But I didn't understand

35:28

why they would put themselves in this

35:30

position because there was always going to

35:33

be a pile on and people get

35:35

passionate about stuff like this. But, you

35:37

know, personally, I'm not fussed. It doesn't

35:39

offend me. But, you know, I did

35:42

realise there would be a lot of people out

35:44

there who were offended, who are

35:46

offended by this. I just

35:48

think it's I think it's crazy. I think it's

35:50

crazy how at the level of the backlash. I don't

35:52

think they should have done it. But what do you think? 08085 909

35:55

693? Does

35:58

it inspire? the

36:01

change. I didn't really get

36:03

that. I don't understand where they're

36:05

going with that. I

36:08

feel like that was an excuse that they made afterwards, Chris. I mean,

36:10

but to be honest, I agree with one of the callers on Nicky's

36:12

show. I think the thing that we should be talking about is the

36:14

fact that to buy that kit for an adult is $124.99. $124.99 for

36:16

a football

36:21

kit is shocking. So I

36:23

wonder, will you buy it? Let us know if you'll spend

36:25

your hard earned $124.99 on that England kit. 08085909693. We're going

36:27

to take some more calls in just a

36:33

second, but we're going to go over to Sahail at West

36:35

Ham versus Chelsea. Yeah, we've got 10 minutes

36:37

to play here. Natalie and Chris, it's still

36:39

West Ham, Neil. Chelsea won that goal seems

36:41

an age ago. It came after two minutes

36:43

from Aggie Beaver Jones. West Ham have kept

36:46

themselves in the game. They really should have

36:48

equalised in the first half. They had a

36:50

goal ruled out for offside. Chelsea have been

36:52

poor in that first half. Much better in

36:54

the second. They lead West Ham by a

36:56

goal to Neil. Thank you so

36:58

much. So Chelsea, back to the top of the

37:00

WSL. Just in the one difference in the goal

37:03

difference now to Manchester City in seconds. Right,

37:05

we're going to David now. evening David,

37:07

how are you? Fine,

37:09

thank you. What would you like to

37:11

talk about? Well, I originally was

37:13

going to talk about the negativity towards Gareth Southgate because

37:15

I think we should be careful what we wish

37:17

for. Before Gareth

37:20

comes to England and the under 21s

37:23

football was sort of meandering and just

37:26

bobbing along on the bottom. He's

37:28

gone in and worked with the FA to turn football

37:31

into where it is today. And I'd just like

37:33

to ask a lot of these people that they call in, have

37:35

they actually played level at high sport,

37:37

sport at high level? Because unless

37:39

you've walked a mile in the man's shoes, you shouldn't

37:42

really comment. I think what he's done.

37:44

I don't agree with that, David. I don't agree

37:46

with that. I don't think I don't think that

37:48

you have to have played sport

37:51

at high level to have an opinion

37:53

on it. I mean, so sport at any

37:55

level? Well, I don't

37:57

think that matters. People can have good opinions on.

38:00

You know, any sport and

38:02

anything, you don't have to necessarily,

38:04

as you've put it, sort of walked

38:06

in somebody's shoes to do that. Just

38:11

for example, look at some of the best

38:13

managers out there at this moment in time.

38:16

Were they players or players too? Give

38:18

me a top player, a

38:21

top manager that was in the player. But

38:24

we're talking about top level then, are we? So

38:27

Jurgen Klopp was an okay player. Jose

38:30

Mourinho, for example, Arsene Wenger. I don't know

38:32

if they're Arsene Wenger. I think he must

38:34

have played at some level, but you

38:37

can't say that these were players who were still

38:39

playing. It's a different job. I believe they were.

38:42

But I think they were in football in the first place, weren't they?

38:46

Hmm. Yeah, but David, are

38:48

you allowed an opinion? Yes.

38:51

Have you played football to a top level? No,

38:55

I've played, I've done other sports to the top level. But you

38:57

can talk about football. I've

38:59

worked in business at a top level and you

39:01

wouldn't employ someone outside of an industry to

39:03

come in and run it at a top level. But

39:06

Gareth's done more than just the England football team. He's

39:08

developed a strategy with

39:11

the FA to take it forward. And

39:13

I think before Gareth came along, we were just

39:15

bobbing along, going from manager to the manager, paying

39:17

him lots and lots of money. They were walking in,

39:19

taking the money. He's coming on whatever

39:22

money he's on, but he's going to leave

39:24

a legacy behind it. You can't just throw that out

39:26

that they were just managers were just walking in and

39:29

taking the money. I mean, that's a

39:31

very loose thing to say, isn't it? Based

39:35

on nothing. Well,

39:37

no, no, it's based on what they

39:39

achieve. Based on your opinion. That's

39:42

what that's based on. No, no, based on results. But

39:46

that's a different argument based on what they achieved

39:49

and what they earn. You just

39:51

basically said they're just taking the money as if

39:53

they didn't care. Well, As

39:56

an England fan, that's what it felt like. But with

39:58

Gareth, he's not taking the money. In Iraqi

40:00

Freedom for Brooke providing results as

40:03

well. And this enormous

40:05

cost of that is almost goes to the top

40:07

level. The. Previous manages to get

40:09

podesta the top level it felt was

40:11

is to make. These guys came in.

40:14

Took. The money did the job disappear because they

40:16

didn't win anything. We. Have won anything

40:18

but we got for the full with the

40:20

me have them previously. L

40:22

think this might whoop. we will have on

40:24

criticisms judgments of. H Manager

40:27

but he buys. All. The

40:29

was manages previously on. Results are the

40:31

Sir Alf Ramsey of course. As

40:33

sort seconds to the pinnacle mon it. But.

40:36

Then the level next gallons. David.

40:39

Thank you and you have thirty! Welcome

40:41

your opinion on this show. David to

40:43

do not have to play top level,

40:45

fulfil his illnesses. Don't agree with

40:48

that in Nutley is away

40:50

with anything people. In

40:52

of we are made of course we

40:54

like they've been the pin is where

40:56

football phone and British justin just in

40:58

general in a good after played football

41:00

or any any sport really to of

41:02

us have a good opinion. On

41:04

it, you know, there are thousands of people

41:06

I though is love the small, much choose

41:09

certain sports and of the have never played.

41:11

We. All have an opinion and I think for money

41:13

supply will not ever saw have never ridden a horse

41:15

I'd look out any.dress thoughts though by the way.

41:17

Chris is this your pitch for the Olympics?

41:20

is a smaller Cel. He was. He.

41:22

Says there's a shortage of a common

41:24

sight. Does get me out, there are

41:26

no a flying changes. Oh okay I'm

41:28

impressed. Crystal and dressage commentator Olympics up

41:30

as of this out the that's as

41:32

you are indeed very well. Could you

41:34

do off your played any sport ever

41:37

and you entire life to give us

41:39

a ring away? Oh wait Five niner

41:41

Ninety Six Nine three we want your

41:43

opinion on We want Steve's opinion right

41:45

now. See you are always fun. Good.

41:48

Evening boss so you good length

41:50

of his us you must be.

41:53

Set. Of pretty excited. I had

41:55

a nervous though. Tuesday.

41:58

actually it's to more positive

42:02

because the last time I rang

42:04

in, I think it was, you

42:07

may not remember, last November I

42:09

was a bit negative about prospects

42:11

and also that Robert Page was

42:14

in charge. However,

42:17

we think we're looking very,

42:20

very confident and

42:23

I think actually we're looking forward

42:25

to Tuesday nights. Thankfully, we're at

42:28

the Cardiff City Stadium and

42:30

I think there's quite a good sort

42:33

of buzz around the area, you

42:35

know, and a lot

42:37

of optimism, I think. So

42:42

what's giving you the confidence because

42:44

you sort of alluded to Rob

42:46

Page and you weren't keen on

42:48

him before. Has he won you

42:50

over or does it all depend

42:52

on this, on this

42:54

jam? I don't think

42:56

he's won everybody over. Has

42:58

he won you over? I

43:04

think, technically, he was

43:06

much better against Finland.

43:11

We've come out of the, you know,

43:13

the Goddess Bill sort of shadow,

43:16

if you like, and we're more

43:18

of a, sort of being one

43:20

individual with a team. And

43:23

I think I must

43:25

respect him for it because he did encourage a

43:28

lot of players who weren't

43:31

playing for the team football to go out

43:34

on their own, you know, like sort

43:36

of Joe Roddon, you know, and

43:38

say well, this as well. You

43:40

know, they didn't move to orbit

43:44

locally, but they are playing regularly.

43:47

And I think, to be honest,

43:49

I think they did look like

43:52

that against Finland. You

43:54

know, like David Brooks is another one. You know, he

43:56

struck down to Southampton, you know, and I thought they

43:58

looked really, really good. good

44:00

and positive. Fingers

44:05

crossed basically. But the

44:07

form the polls are in that

44:09

just thrashed Estonia 5-1, does that,

44:11

you know, got some good players?

44:15

Yeah, at least we've got home advantage

44:17

and I think Estonia did have one

44:19

player sent off if I don't know

44:21

correctly. I think

44:24

we're buzzing, honestly. And as

44:27

I said, fingers crossed, let's go for it.

44:30

And attack it and

44:32

give it everything, isn't

44:34

it? Because it would be nice

44:36

to see, you know, Scotland and

44:38

England, isn't it? It would be

44:40

brilliant, Steve. It really would. Like,

44:42

absolute best of luck. And I don't know

44:45

how fancy it is. I think Poland had a

44:47

really bad qualifying campaign. I seem to remember them

44:49

playing the Faroe Islands and only just getting

44:51

a couple of goals against the Faroe Islands. Yeah,

44:53

but the Faroe Islands on their day don't underestimate them.

44:58

I never underestimate anybody, Chris. Never. I'm just

45:00

all for Wales here to qualify. Thank you

45:03

so much to Steve, the Wales fan. Now,

45:05

Chris, we've got to go over to West

45:07

Ham Chelsea. Sir Hale, there's been a goal.

45:09

Yeah, second goal for Chelsea. Natalie, West

45:11

Ham nil, Chelsea 2, the second goal

45:13

coming in the 88th minute. It was

45:15

a terrific strike from Aaron Cuthbert on

45:18

the edge of the area. It just

45:21

blew Mackenzie on. No chance for the

45:23

West Ham goalkeeper. So as it stands,

45:25

Chelsea are going back to the top

45:27

of the WSL on goal difference. Man

45:29

City are in second. It's set one

45:31

minute to play now here. West Ham

45:34

nil, Chelsea 2. Thank

45:36

you, Sir Hale. So it's so tight at the top of the

45:38

WSL, Chris. So Chelsea and City both on 43 points.

45:40

If Chelsea go ahead and win this. Chelsea with a goal difference

45:42

of 36 and City with a goal

45:44

difference of 34. It's phenomenally high.

45:47

So who, not who do you want to

45:49

win? I think I sort of would

45:51

know which way you'd sway, but who do you

45:53

think will come out on

45:55

top of this season? I think Chelsea will come out on top. I think

45:57

Emma Hayes will go out in an absolute season of

46:00

glory and negative. I

46:02

just think you can never see Chelsea dropping any points,

46:04

Chris. That's the thing that they're just phenomenal. But I

46:06

think, you know, hopefully for the league as well, City

46:09

will push them all the way to the end and

46:11

we'll get a super exciting end to the WSL season.

46:13

Now, we've also got Mark on the line, who's a

46:15

city player, but I think it's Manchester City. In

46:18

general, Mark, we're going to talk about the men. The city player?

46:21

Oh, Fann, sorry, Fann. No,

46:25

what I'm on about is,

46:28

I think it's ridiculous that clubs

46:31

don't have a sheet on our

46:33

own players to go and play

46:35

in meaningless boundaries, right? Now, as

46:37

a city fan, I'm very disappointed.

46:39

Of course, kind of Walker, if

46:42

it's a hamstring, he could be

46:44

out for ages. Now, next Saturday and

46:46

Sunday, we play Arsenal.

46:48

Now, Saka, he was through for

46:50

the squad, right? Now, he'll

46:52

be playing and Walker might not be playing. And the

46:54

way I look at it... How do

46:56

you know Saka will be playing? You think

46:59

he'll be playing? Well, he's hoping to have

47:01

a chance and Walker, at the first moment,

47:03

he...crisp. But that's just the

47:05

way it's always been, hasn't it? And

47:07

it was unfortunate, you know? No, it's

47:09

always been like that, mate, because if

47:11

you didn't play for your country, you burned me

47:13

out the next game that you're club played. Am

47:16

I right? But Kyle Walker, you know, wants to

47:18

play... wanted to play for

47:20

England, he's rocked up. These things happen,

47:22

don't they? It's, you know, it's an

47:24

accident. It's nobody's fault. No, I've given

47:26

the point. Every

47:28

player wants to play for their country, right? But

47:30

I still think the clubs

47:32

should hear a bigger scene, because

47:35

now it's a friendly, it's not

47:37

a competition game. And to me,

47:39

they're too much international football. And

47:42

it's... If you're the club manager, Mark,

47:45

if you ask all the club managers, they'd say,

47:47

well, we don't want any of our... I mean,

47:49

Gareth Southgate wouldn't get the play turning up. Neither

47:52

would Stu Clark. No, you're taking that to

47:54

a different level. I'm talking about clubs. I'm

47:57

talking about clubs like Shimon Tse. No.

48:00

I know not always a safe one. Where's your key?

48:02

Right. It's

48:05

like you walk, it's saying

48:07

right because we're playing Arsenal, top of the

48:09

table, clutch, second against

48:11

third. We need all the players to set for

48:13

that. I'm not just talking language players, I'm talking

48:16

about saying the brain have not gone for the

48:18

place of Belgium and all the

48:20

other players that's going to other countries. The

48:22

club should say no, we need these players from next week.

48:26

What happens if you get maybe four or five

48:28

players injured and your weekend in Arsenal comes in

48:30

beat shape? Because that's the only way they'll beat

48:32

if they go to play a weakened team. But

48:36

I just don't understand this, right? I know

48:38

what you're saying and you're frustrated because, you

48:40

know, would you have called in had Kyle

48:42

Walker not got injured last night? But you

48:44

have anyway. But where is

48:46

your cut off then? So Manchester City are

48:49

in a title, right? The Champions League as

48:51

well. But so are Liverpool. So

48:54

are Arsenal. Manchester United, the manager,

48:56

you know, he wants to finish the

48:58

season strongly so he can try and hang on to his

49:00

job and, you

49:03

know, he's let Kobe Mainu go

49:05

and Marcus Rashford. You'll

49:07

have teams near

49:09

the bottom of the table who players

49:11

are getting called up internationally who managers

49:14

will want to keep those players. But

49:16

they've not got a shape because the rules

49:18

have gone playfully, you have called out. Because

49:21

nobody would turn up at this stage of

49:23

the season. It wouldn't be any international football

49:25

if you left it down to club managers

49:27

because it'll be selfish and clubs just, I

49:29

don't want our players going out

49:31

because there is a risk. Honestly,

49:36

I think, excuse me here, who

49:38

plays football in the players or

49:40

regions? It's no England, Scotland, or

49:42

any. It's the

49:44

Cubs. Why,

49:46

you know, where I say, where I want to

49:48

be the strongest team, if it was a

49:51

competition game, yes, you can't stop your

49:54

players going. But for a minute, we're

49:56

friendly. Don't

50:00

away your way. It's done with this

50:02

because I think a lot of people

50:04

feel the same about you might meaningless

50:06

friendlies and in. or let's get it

50:08

right as it being overly exciting said

50:11

they are England applying for zealot the

50:13

weekend and then and then they've got

50:15

Belgium and Belgium. most of us as

50:17

a video that are pretty decent. saw

50:19

it but there's not that real buzz

50:21

on excitement because you know they on

50:23

they aren't tournament games I get that

50:25

but this isn't ever going to change.

50:28

Is it's. Bar. Don't

50:30

know, but I'll think you should choose because

50:32

it's a corporate breezy of bullets wages. And

50:36

are gone back to write his

50:38

father John consumed club is more

50:40

important and country because he have

50:42

club as guess in a peace

50:44

deal it as eat meat keep

50:46

units and against on to be

50:48

wages and what's the point of

50:50

walker said mr next week's race

50:52

when for say that thing at

50:54

least is painfully club it's get

50:56

the full a country and it

50:58

could be met before five games

51:00

of it's about homes and of

51:02

those is a league and my

51:04

billie if we call. Me

51:08

a in it or not is it's not. I

51:10

will consider the tends to places country. Out

51:13

on good? Yeah yeah, I'm you get

51:16

that weeks the point I'm thought let's

51:18

just as.budget. Or of course like

51:20

couples are I would be because like to

51:22

have a minimalist. Plainly stupid stupid so well

51:25

have been watching the he's gonna be surgically

51:27

and not go Oh be gets assault and

51:29

also too much groups and he goes to

51:31

Mondial a I'll be I'll of it though

51:34

I it did the same. does it seem

51:36

kind or get paid off of Middlesworth. Nod

51:38

sagely sober it's for you call sign

51:41

see their mark does not like Instead

51:43

are still football. Full Stop Craig,

51:45

What? Would he

51:47

didn't? They didn't say that he doesn't like

51:50

his team's players being cold up There was.

51:52

That. Was the come thrust of have club of

51:54

over country he said many many it's about we're

51:56

to go over back. To say oh god it's full

51:58

time West Ham. This is. Yeah, finished here,

52:01

Natalie and Chris Westham-Nill, Chelsea 2, Chelsea

52:03

then go back to the top of

52:05

the WSL on goal difference. The first

52:07

goal scored after two minutes. Aggie Beaver

52:10

Jones with the smart finish, with the

52:12

second two minutes from time, Aaron Cuthbert

52:14

with an unstoppable effort from 20 yards.

52:17

In between the goals, Westham wasted

52:19

three chances to equalise and now

52:22

the goal incorrectly ruled out for

52:24

offside. Full time, it's ended Westham-Nill,

52:27

Chelsea 2. Thank you there to Sahil.

52:29

If you'd like to give us a ring, we're here till 7 o'clock.

52:31

It's 08085 909. 09693, now clear. It's

52:33

time for S8. 606, it's time for SAS. Sensational,

52:44

amusing,

52:57

Well, as Chesterfield, we've already mentioned them,

52:59

Natalie and the programme, Paul Cook and

53:01

Chesterfield sealing their return to the Football

53:03

League and also winning the National League

53:06

title in the process. The Spire rides

53:08

beat Borenwood at home 3-0 yesterday and

53:10

it's been quite the season under Paul

53:13

Cook, who returned to the club in

53:15

February 2022. He signed

53:17

Will Greg. Remember Will Greg? He's

53:19

on fire this season. And

53:22

Michael Jacobs, two of his former players from

53:24

Wigan, anybody who thought Jacobs wouldn't stroll

53:26

it at National League level, they'd be

53:28

crackers wouldn't they? A hundred goals already

53:31

and on for a hundred points.

53:33

Chesterfield have been sensational but I've

53:36

got another sensational as well because

53:38

Florian Fertz put Germany ahead. He

53:40

was quick off the mark against

53:43

France after seven seconds, okay?

53:47

Christoph Baumgartner scored the fastest

53:49

ever goal in international football

53:51

after just six seconds for

53:54

the Austrians against

53:56

Slovakia, which is pretty

53:59

sensational. straight from the kick off. He

54:01

slotted one impostor for back in. Sensational stuff.

54:03

Love that amazing sensation of some Chesterfield fans.

54:05

I still want to speak to somebody before

54:08

the end of the show. You've got half

54:10

an hour 08085909693. Now what has amused you

54:12

this week, Chris? Who

54:18

has amused me? Ned Bolton,

54:21

the cycling specialist. Anyway, on

54:23

Fighting Talk yesterday, love Fighting

54:25

Talk, he was talking about the

54:27

2005 Champions

54:30

League final. Just listen to

54:32

this. I was fortunate

54:34

enough to be in Istanbul in 2005.

54:37

Working for ITV when Liverpool clinched

54:39

the penalty

54:45

shootout. And strangely, because

54:47

we were just about to run on the pitch and

54:49

start interviewing the players, whichever way the penalty shooter had

54:51

gone, I was standing with my camera crew right next

54:53

to the Liverpool bench. And when all

54:56

the players rushed onto the pitch, rather than

54:58

he says, rather confused at the time, jumped

55:00

up from his position, turned to me, and

55:03

I think he just thought I was a member

55:05

of the Liverpool staff. And lifted me off the

55:07

ground, gave me this massive bear hug, almost squeezed

55:09

the air out of me, and then realised that

55:12

I wasn't part of the Liverpool staff. And we

55:14

kind of upheld me in suspension in midair and

55:16

then just kind of dropped me like that. And then

55:18

we both sort of dusted ourselves down a little bit

55:20

like John Candy and Steve Markin from Plain and also

55:22

the Bills and just got on with it. What an

55:26

amazing, what a brilliant

55:28

story. Raph, I'm still

55:30

wondering today, who was that guy? Has anyone

55:33

ever randomly hugged you, Chris? Oh,

55:36

blimey. Let me think about that. Probably. Possibly.

55:42

If you have, call in. 085 909 693.

55:44

And finally, what has been shocking for you

55:46

this week? Well,

55:50

you stole my thunder naturally because you

55:52

mentioned it. So all the kerfuffle about

55:54

the England kit

55:57

design. What about the England kit

55:59

price? Absolutely shocking. £125 I

56:01

think it is for an England kit.

56:07

And then I think it's £119.99 for a junior kit. £33

56:12

for a pair of shorts and £18 for a pair

56:14

of shocks. Hocks.

56:18

It's shocking. Shocking shocks.

56:22

As Sean Connery would say. But it

56:24

is absolutely obscene it is.

56:26

It really angers me. Premier

56:29

League clubs are just the same. Most

56:31

football clubs are just the same.

56:33

But the price of kits, honestly. That's

56:36

absolutely shocking. Could not agree more

56:38

kit, Chris. I have had to buy Reggie

56:40

my six-year-old two full city kits. I don't

56:42

have to. He asked for the three-year-old kit.

56:44

And with the socks, the shorts, the kit,

56:46

the gold badge, like yours at

56:49

£100 for a six-year-old kit. You're

56:51

not going to discount with your connection. It's £20. It's

56:53

still over £100 though, Chris. It's still

56:55

over £100. It's ridiculous, isn't

56:57

it? I think we all are in complete

57:00

agreement over that. Do you know what, Natalie?

57:03

Kids of course go to school and they're in the up-to-date

57:05

shirt and then

57:07

there's that sort of pressure on other kids to

57:10

go out and buy it and pressure on their parents. I

57:13

think it's something that really does

57:15

need to be looked at. Completely

57:17

agreed. That was SAS week. Now,

57:27

you've still got half an hour to get your calls in. Chris and

57:29

I are listening to... Can you get anybody listening that 20% discount?

57:32

I don't know. Do you want a city

57:34

show, Chris? Is that a yes? Yeah, I'll get

57:37

you a city show with a 20% discount. I'll get a sut on the

57:39

back of it. Will you wear it? No.

57:41

Why not? You want all

57:43

the badges? No. I'll

57:47

get a savage one as well. So

57:50

do give us a ring. You've got less than half an hour

57:52

now. We'd love to speak to you. 08085 909693 and

57:56

we'll be back very, very shortly taking more of your calls after the

57:58

news in the sport on Find Your Name. live with Richard

58:00

Foster. Listen on

58:03

BBC Sound, this is BBC

58:05

Radio 5 Live. Simon

58:08

Harris has been elected the new leader of the Irish

58:10

governing party, Fina Gail. He's set to become the Republic

58:12

of Ireland's youngest ever Prime Minister at the age of

58:14

37. All this happened

58:17

after Leo Veradka's surprise resignation earlier this

58:19

week. Authorities in Russia say

58:21

at least 137 people were

58:23

killed in the gun attack on Friday

58:25

at a concert venue near Moscow. Emergency

58:27

workers are still searching through the fire

58:29

damage building. As Russians observe a day

58:31

of national mourning. A 12-year-old

58:33

boy has been charged with attempted murder

58:35

after a teenage girl was stabbed in

58:38

Kent. A 15-year-old is stable in

58:40

hospital after the attack in Sittingbourne on Friday. The

58:42

boy's too young for us to name him. He's

58:44

due in court tomorrow. And

58:46

the conservatives say they'll keep the pensions

58:48

triple lock if they win the next

58:50

election. It means pensions rise by 2.5%

58:52

or inflation or average wages, whichever is

58:54

the highest. The Lib Dems say the

58:56

Chancellor's announcement is a shameless election trick.

58:58

That's the news. John Wilkinson has the

59:01

sport. Elsewhere,

59:29

Bath beat sale 42-24 to move up to second place

59:31

in the men's Premiership.

59:45

To football and Chelsea have beaten West

59:47

Ham 2-0 to retake top spot in

59:49

the women's Super League. Aggie Beaver Jones

59:51

and Erin Cuthbert got the goals. West

59:53

Ham did have a goal wrongly ruled

59:56

out for offside. But Chelsea moved past Manchester City

59:58

at the top on goal difference. Everton

1:00:00

and Liverpool played out a goalless draw

1:00:02

in the Merseyside derby. There were wins

1:00:04

for Tottenham and Brighton. Third place Arsenal

1:00:06

travelled to Aston Villa this evening. Kickoff

1:00:08

has been delayed until 7.30, whilst

1:00:11

Rangers beat Parsec Fissel 4-1 to

1:00:13

win the Scottish Women's Premier League

1:00:16

Cup. Carlos Sainz led Charler

1:00:18

Claire to a Ferrari 1-2 in the

1:00:20

Australian Grand Prix as Max Verstappen was

1:00:22

left to ruin fourth-lap retirement due to

1:00:25

brake failure. The Red Bull driver had

1:00:27

won both races so far this season.

1:00:29

McLaren's Lando Norris took third, but it

1:00:31

was a win for the Spaniard Sainz to

1:00:34

relish coming just two weeks after having his

1:00:36

appendix removed. I'm a bit safe,

1:00:38

I'm not going to lie, but with the

1:00:40

adrenaline I was okay. The last ten

1:00:43

laps I retired a bit on the lower

1:00:46

back and stuff from not training and spending

1:00:48

too much time in bed. But with

1:00:52

adrenaline and when you're leaving everything changes

1:00:56

and I could get it done. At

1:00:58

the Miami Open tennis, Andy Murray's in

1:01:00

third-round action this evening against the Czech

1:01:03

player Thomas Macaacz. Katie Boulter and Cam

1:01:05

Norrie will also be looking to reach

1:01:07

the last 16 tomorrow. Boulter beat the

1:01:09

higher ranked Beatrice Hadad-Maya earlier. Catalan Dragons

1:01:11

have cruised into the last days of

1:01:14

Rugby League's Challenge Cup. They beat Halifax

1:01:16

Panthers by 40 points to 4, the

1:01:19

England win Tom Davis scored a hat-trick

1:01:21

inside the opening 15 minutes. In

1:01:24

cycling today Pogacz has outclassed his

1:01:26

rivals for the Tour of Catalonia

1:01:28

title. He won the final seventh stage

1:01:30

in Barcelona, a fourth stage win of

1:01:32

the week and beat Michel Lando in

1:01:34

the general classification by 3 minutes and

1:01:36

41 seconds. England's

1:01:38

Charlie Hull is one shot off the

1:01:41

lead at the LPGA LA Open held

1:01:43

by four players and Judd Trump has

1:01:45

won Snookers World Open title in China,

1:01:48

beating Ding Zhenwei. That's the label. Australian

1:02:00

Grand Prix, Charlotte Claire makes it a Ferrari 1-2,

1:02:03

and Lando Norris secures third. Very happy,

1:02:05

very proud of the team, happy to

1:02:08

be in that one-horse with Charles here. Max

1:02:10

Verstappen let his son get off pole, but

1:02:12

a rare mechanical failure saw him retiring and

1:02:14

out of contention. Remember to check

1:02:16

his mobile car, with an out-of-home reading

1:02:18

email. Now,

1:02:24

more to go through.

1:02:29

Onside live. How

1:02:41

many injuries they had, and players unavailable,

1:02:44

the voices held. What

1:02:46

do you think that you lacked tonight?

1:02:49

Well, I think with ten minutes to go, we

1:02:51

were thinking we'd play pretty well

1:02:53

here. We've seen

1:02:55

a lot of players that haven't had a lot

1:02:58

of England caps. We've more than held

1:03:00

our own, in terms of

1:03:02

position, in terms of attempts on goals. And

1:03:05

it's that one ruthless moment that

1:03:07

turns the game, which we weren't

1:03:09

able to find. But

1:03:11

that is football at the highest level, that

1:03:14

is the difference between winning and losing these games. Is

1:03:16

that a concern that those good players were

1:03:18

able to get at you? I didn't think

1:03:21

we ever looked like being carved apart, and

1:03:23

our pressing was really good. We

1:03:25

turned their position over a lot, and

1:03:28

were able to counter-attack. We had an unbeaten year,

1:03:32

but we deliberately took two really high-level games.

1:03:35

And of course, we've had to put out

1:03:37

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right Jay we've got Jay giving us

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a ring good evening Jay how are

1:04:16

you feeling about Gareth Southgate hey

1:04:20

well first I actually think Gareth Southgate is doing

1:04:22

a good job you know I don't I think

1:04:24

it's a thankless job to be honest I can't

1:04:26

see any like a clob or a Pep Guardiola

1:04:29

one into lead England I mean the

1:04:32

constant negativity in the press constant negativity

1:04:34

by people phoning in it's just a

1:04:36

thankless job why would anybody want to

1:04:39

make it on Jay what's what's the

1:04:41

constant negativity towards Gareth in the press

1:04:43

then just just it doesn't

1:04:45

matter how he performs get to a

1:04:47

semi-final a quarterfinal the team

1:04:49

just is never seen as being in positive light

1:04:52

you know what that your miles

1:04:54

out there I think I think

1:04:57

that I think that there

1:04:59

there is always balance and

1:05:01

I think and I don't know this but

1:05:05

I think there is a great deal of

1:05:08

respect from the the guys

1:05:10

and girls in the press towards Gareth Southgate

1:05:12

and the job that he's done of course

1:05:15

you know he has his detractors but I think it's

1:05:18

too easy just to throw it out there that that

1:05:20

the press are on Gareth's back I don't think that

1:05:22

they all are okay

1:05:26

all right but can I talk about the Saint

1:05:28

George's cross on the shirt yeah

1:05:31

I think it should be a proper Saint

1:05:33

George's cross you know I think what they've

1:05:35

done with the shirt isn't right and you know

1:05:37

I think if you know I'm faced here in

1:05:39

California if they were if Nike

1:05:42

were to do something similar whoever sponsors that

1:05:44

whoever is positive the USA shirt there'd be

1:05:46

in a whole heap of trouble right and

1:05:48

you know if Nike really want to do

1:05:50

something I mean something cool with the shirt

1:05:52

they could have done something with their logo

1:05:54

and use those colors on their

1:05:56

logo instead of messing around with the Saint

1:05:58

George's cross that's really interesting you say

1:06:01

that what would boycott

1:06:19

in Nike just have to look what happened

1:06:21

to Budweiser. People

1:06:25

said they'd boycott Budweiser. When they say something that

1:06:27

people thought was controversial, people stopped

1:06:29

buying Budweiser and it hit their profitability.

1:06:33

Did they change the flag? Did Budweiser change

1:06:35

the flag? No, they used LG certain

1:06:41

social media presenters

1:06:45

to represent Budweiser. It's

1:06:47

probably not a comparison then I would

1:06:50

suggest. But

1:06:52

if you mess with the USA flag people are going to

1:06:54

come after you too, right? Have you changed the colours on

1:06:56

it? I

1:06:59

know there's laws against tampering with the flags in America

1:07:01

as well isn't there? So

1:07:04

the St George's Cross should stay the St George's

1:07:06

Cross. I'd still love to know what everybody else thinks.

1:07:08

It should be the St George's Cross. It

1:07:12

shouldn't be changed. What you're saying Jay is it's not

1:07:14

the St George's Cross. If

1:07:16

they change the colours and I think Gareth

1:07:18

Sarsgate has come out and said the

1:07:20

same thing. He doesn't recognise that as the St George's Cross.

1:07:22

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's

1:07:28

not something which I've overthought. I'm not

1:07:30

offended by it. I don't really care

1:07:33

about it. I just wonder what the whole motive

1:07:37

was behind it. They must have known that

1:07:39

this was going to cause a commotion. The

1:07:41

FA essentially backed it, haven't they?

1:07:45

The FA will have approval on all shirts. So

1:07:49

it's on Nike and on the FA as

1:07:52

well. Are you surprised though Jay about how

1:07:54

much of the backlash or do you think

1:07:56

that the backlash is the amount

1:07:58

that there's been is fair? I'm

1:08:01

not surprised by the backlash at all, to be

1:08:03

honest. I mean, it is the English shirts and

1:08:05

national team. It's the national sport.

1:08:09

I'm not surprised at all. And I think what's added

1:08:11

to it is just people feeling, hey, it's 129 pounds

1:08:13

for the men's shirt. Is

1:08:16

it 125 for the charge? Yeah,

1:08:19

I mean, that's, I think VAT 20% is

1:08:22

no VAT in children's clothes. So

1:08:25

you've got something that's much smaller. That's

1:08:27

not 20% cheaper because the VAT

1:08:29

should have been taken off. And

1:08:32

just for the cost of living crisis, like I see

1:08:34

in the UK, it's just ridiculous, the price of

1:08:36

the shirt. And I think there's adding to it as well. If

1:08:39

it come out and basically said, hey, look, you've

1:08:41

got a choice of two shirts. You can have

1:08:43

this one with this particular flag on it and

1:08:45

it's 30 pounds, or you can

1:08:47

have this one with the, now

1:08:49

the same George's cross on it and we'll charge

1:08:52

a little bit more. And then the money goes

1:08:54

to a charity. I think people would have accepted

1:08:56

that. But basically I think just the price of

1:08:58

the shirt is added to the people's consternation. And

1:09:02

we can totally get behind the cost of the

1:09:04

shirt argument definitely. Thank you so much, Jay. Who paid? Who

1:09:08

has ever bought a pair of socks for 18 pounds? For

1:09:11

kids, Chris, I don't know. Kids,

1:09:14

that's what the football socks cost for Chris.

1:09:16

Yeah, but just socks. Yes, literally

1:09:18

just a pair of socks. Chris, honestly, it's

1:09:20

shocking. Come

1:09:23

on. Nobody is, I don't know

1:09:25

anybody. Robbie Savage definitely buys designer

1:09:27

socks, by the way, Chris. Spends

1:09:29

a lot more than that. How much? I mean,

1:09:32

honestly, I don't know. I don't know, I

1:09:34

buy a pack of five. Anything over a

1:09:36

tenner for a pair of socks is ridiculous.

1:09:38

I'd want five pairs for a tenner, Chris.

1:09:40

Great. Exactly. Exactly. Who,

1:09:42

who, get in touch. 85058,

1:09:46

give us a call if you've bought a pair

1:09:48

of socks for more than a tenner. You're a

1:09:50

fool. Yeah, come on and flex, come and show off to

1:09:52

us. Right,

1:09:55

Chris, I'm very excited. I've been asking for this all

1:09:57

night long. We've got ourselves a

1:09:59

Chesterfield. It's Jackie, Jackie

1:10:01

I imagine you are one happy

1:10:04

person. Oh I'm

1:10:06

ecstatic, I can't quite believe it, it's

1:10:08

been wonderful, what a weekend. Were

1:10:10

you there Jackie? I was

1:10:12

yes, I was there on Saturday,

1:10:15

I was there on Wednesday at Halifax and

1:10:17

I was the older mum that I did

1:10:19

before. Jackie,

1:10:22

what's it been like this

1:10:25

season and Paul Cook

1:10:27

came back, well his second

1:10:29

time at the club I think, February 2022 and then this season,

1:10:31

last season it was you know Reksom and

1:10:37

Knox County, but this

1:10:39

season it's all clicked and it must

1:10:42

have been one hell of a journey

1:10:44

for you as a Chesterfield

1:10:46

fan. What's been the difference

1:10:48

this season? I

1:10:51

think this sort of

1:10:53

collective team, there's a sort of ethos,

1:10:55

you can tell the players really wanted

1:10:57

it, they were delighted every time they

1:11:00

scored, there was a whole, in the

1:11:02

atmosphere you know everyone's been behind them

1:11:04

and it's a real community place and

1:11:06

it's just been, I've been supporting them

1:11:09

for 30 years and I live near

1:11:11

Blackpool but I go to every

1:11:13

home game now, I've got a season ticket and

1:11:15

I've been to watch them, I went

1:11:18

to watch them in the middle of a game

1:11:20

in 1997, I was at Preston when we were

1:11:22

in the playoffs when Cook nearly got us

1:11:24

up to the championship, so I've been watching

1:11:26

them and I think this season it's just

1:11:28

been so good, I mean we got so

1:11:30

used to winning, it's been quite a shock

1:11:34

when we've lost. So

1:11:37

you supported the club for 30 years,

1:11:39

I mean it wasn't so long ago

1:11:42

you went out of the football league,

1:11:44

difficult days I imagine and

1:11:46

then to get

1:11:48

yourself back, what have the years in

1:11:50

the wilderness been like? Well

1:11:54

I've been to some very

1:11:56

cold, damper way games in

1:11:58

the north-western there. frozen to

1:12:00

death and we've lost, you know, quite

1:12:02

spectacularly. But I've always been to go

1:12:04

and watch them. It doesn't matter. But

1:12:06

I think it's just so nice to

1:12:08

be sort of confident and winning. And

1:12:10

you can tell everyone is just enjoying

1:12:13

the whole experience. It's been amazing. You

1:12:15

know, what about next season, Jackie? Thinking ahead

1:12:18

yet, because obviously, you know, you look at Rexxham,

1:12:20

you look at Stockport County, you know, Knott's County,

1:12:22

although, you know, they've they've trailed off a bit.

1:12:24

They're still mid table. They're still they're still really

1:12:26

cemented themselves as football league teams. So you must

1:12:28

feel hopeful already. Well, I

1:12:31

think so, because I mean, when you think

1:12:33

about it, we've got practically part of the

1:12:35

League One squad, haven't we? We've got some

1:12:37

really good players now. And and even the

1:12:39

ones that, you know, in the last few

1:12:41

years, they've really come on leaps and bounds

1:12:43

and and desert. There's a buzz and a

1:12:45

confidence. And I think, you know, Paul Cook

1:12:48

and everybody want us to go up again.

1:12:50

And I think we could we could, you

1:12:52

know, do a decent job of it. You

1:12:54

know, and, you know, I think

1:12:56

we've got every chance to, you know, get mid

1:12:58

table or higher, you know, I'm quite confident that

1:13:00

we'll give it a go. And

1:13:02

in the meantime, you enjoy your summer,

1:13:05

Jackie, party, everybody in Chesterfield and all

1:13:07

the Chesterfield fans, congratulations. A

1:13:10

really, really incredible season for you in the National

1:13:12

League. Thanks, Jackie. Love,

1:13:15

love that, Chris. I'm so happy. I love

1:13:17

to hear the joy in people's voices, you

1:13:19

know, from their football. And when they when

1:13:21

they support the club of 30s, you can

1:13:23

hear how happy Jackie is that football is

1:13:25

about for me? Yeah, absolutely. And they've had

1:13:27

such a difficult time

1:13:30

and, you know, going out

1:13:32

of the football league. And I remember the

1:13:34

FA Cup, you know, that whole journey. And

1:13:36

I played with Kevin Davies, who was a,

1:13:38

you know, it's

1:13:41

a club legend. Played

1:13:43

with him at, you know, at

1:13:45

Blackburn. So it's great to see

1:13:47

them great to see them back

1:13:49

in the football league. And Paul Cook, what a job he

1:13:52

has done. So credit him. Credit him. I

1:13:54

look forward to seeing him in the football league. I watch a

1:13:56

lot of League Two football, so I look forward to see your

1:13:58

team in League Two. Then we're now in. I just

1:14:00

watch a lot of football Chris, I don't stick

1:14:02

to just the Premier League, there is football outside

1:14:05

the Premier League. Did you do Championship as well

1:14:07

then? Championship League 1, League 2, I watch them

1:14:09

all regularly. But you

1:14:11

were born in Stockport? Edinburgh,

1:14:14

Chris. Were you in a... Oh, you lived in Stockport then?

1:14:16

I lived in Stockport. I used to

1:14:18

go and watch Stockport County, I did. When I was a

1:14:20

teenager we weren't allowed to... Stockport more regular than

1:14:22

most. So we went, I had a season ticket in Man

1:14:24

City and then when City were away we used to walk round the corner

1:14:26

to Stockport and we used to go and watch Stockport. You

1:14:29

had any clubs do you support? Who's your Edinburgh team then?

1:14:31

I had the parts of Stockport County, I just went to

1:14:33

watch them because we weren't allowed to travel away. What

1:14:36

about your Edinburgh team? I don't have an Edinburgh

1:14:38

team but my brother supports Hibbs,

1:14:40

my dad supports Berwick Rangers. Right.

1:14:43

So we're a bit all over, we're a bit

1:14:45

all over. Right, that's enough Chris. What about you? What

1:14:47

about up there north of the border? No, I just

1:14:50

support Manchester City, that's it. No one else

1:14:52

Chris. Scotland fans, Scotland national team. I

1:14:54

just love football Chris, I just watch all

1:14:57

football, all levels. Not just Premier League football

1:14:59

out there. Right Chris, it's now time for

1:15:02

you to discuss divers and

1:15:06

cheaters

1:15:09

because...

1:15:11

This

1:15:14

is the distance junior, couldn't get the ball on the

1:15:16

edge of the area onto his left foot and loose

1:15:18

his balance but wasn't knocked over or did he just

1:15:20

fall over at the dive for me? Well

1:15:23

he was far too keen to go to ground and

1:15:25

the referee's not having any of that to shock and

1:15:27

dive to be honest from Vanishes, disappointing a lot of

1:15:30

the even fast food and their right to... The

1:15:41

ball's played into the penalty area, De Galaga,

1:15:43

challenge comes in on him from Lucas Barraldo

1:15:45

but referee Diaz was not interested in that

1:15:47

in terms of a shout for penalties from

1:15:49

England and De Galaga didn't look that

1:15:51

optimistic himself. De Galaga comes in but he doesn't go

1:15:53

to ground Barraldo, he stays on his feet and I

1:15:56

think he gets a piece of the ball or none

1:15:58

of the ball but he's still on the edge of the area. Gallagher

1:16:00

kind of falls into him not

1:16:03

a penalty it's Gallagher looking for it and the referee's called

1:16:05

it right. I'll

1:16:09

tell you what Matthew Upson there there's

1:16:11

a summer riser called

1:16:14

out Vinicius Jr Volkopf and

1:16:16

Vinicius Jr wasn't it but the

1:16:18

winner of this week's simulation game

1:16:20

Natalie and he's got previous Conor

1:16:22

Gallagher the con man Gallagher going

1:16:24

down too easily at the end of the

1:16:27

game good player he is but he's better than

1:16:29

that they're both better than that what's going

1:16:31

on I didn't think we'd be playing this

1:16:33

weekend I don't want to play the

1:16:35

simulation game but every week

1:16:38

there's always someone someone who always lets

1:16:40

us down Natalie they really do you

1:16:42

know what we need the simulation game

1:16:45

because I'm noticing it when watching my

1:16:47

son's under 16 there's

1:16:49

far too much simulating going on

1:16:51

in under six football games doesn't

1:16:53

matter whether under 16 under

1:16:55

30s under 50s over 50s

1:16:58

let us know around the country we will we will

1:17:00

call you out I'll call out my son

1:17:02

Reggie Pavlek for simulating several times during his

1:17:04

game this morning and he's been told he's

1:17:06

got to get on a minute yes where

1:17:08

has he got that from? Vinicius

1:17:11

Jr is one of his favourite players he

1:17:13

watches them on YouTube he watches the highlights

1:17:15

he's six Chris and he now rolls around

1:17:17

on the ground seriously arms in the air

1:17:20

looking at the referee what do you

1:17:22

what do you say we should

1:17:24

we tell him to get up and just stop doing it

1:17:26

and that is not yeah there's not the way to

1:17:29

be can I just

1:17:31

say can I just say to Reggie

1:17:33

I don't know that he's listening Reggie

1:17:35

you're better than that Reggie come on

1:17:37

just stop it Reggie you're better than

1:17:39

that Reggie right onto the next call

1:17:41

I can't believe you've done him on

1:17:43

national radio he needs it he needs

1:17:46

it knocked out ridiculous review Reggie come

1:17:48

on right Adam good evening

1:17:50

what would you like to chat about tonight? oh

1:17:54

hello there thank you for your time we're

1:17:57

just talking about the uh the flags St

1:17:59

George flag. And

1:18:02

I personally, it doesn't offend

1:18:04

me at all. I think it's becoming a

1:18:06

bit of a political and a big conversation.

1:18:08

And it's from a date from when I

1:18:10

wasn't really interested in anyway. So I don't

1:18:12

think it's a big deal personally. What

1:18:15

do you mean it's from a...

1:18:17

I mean, I guess it's from, I meant

1:18:19

like it from the days of when we're

1:18:21

a strong country, it was about us being

1:18:23

a strong like imperialism about being, you

1:18:26

know, like a powerful country. I just don't personally think

1:18:28

it's a big thing now and it's becoming a bit

1:18:30

of a political thing. It doesn't represent me as a

1:18:32

person or as us as a nation, I don't think.

1:18:34

So that's where, yeah, that's my kind of views on

1:18:37

that. But there is,

1:18:39

there seems to be

1:18:42

a fair bit of anger over

1:18:45

this. And I mean,

1:18:47

we had the earlier caller on

1:18:49

and, you know, he wasn't in...

1:18:52

Well, he's not in isolation in

1:18:54

terms of the way that he feels there

1:18:57

is this feeling about disrespect, but it's

1:18:59

a kit design, right? That's

1:19:02

all it is. Yeah. Yeah. So I agree.

1:19:04

I think it's, I think a lot of these

1:19:06

things when something's changed, I think people don't like

1:19:08

change anyway, but it becomes a bigger thing than

1:19:10

it is. I think it is a kit design.

1:19:12

I don't think it's meant to be offensive or

1:19:15

anything. It's not changing us as

1:19:17

a group of people or as a nation.

1:19:19

It's just trying to change things and things

1:19:21

don't always have to stay the same. You

1:19:23

know, societal moves. But then

1:19:25

Adam, so the playing devil's advocate with this,

1:19:28

when the language which was used, some

1:19:32

of the languages are to unite and inspire, does

1:19:36

that have that effect on people? Because I

1:19:38

didn't quite understand that. I

1:19:41

personally don't. If you look at this, it's

1:19:43

become a real long conversation. My

1:19:45

job, I'm a nurse and I work in the

1:19:48

safety area. I see society is quite split at

1:19:50

the moment. We're not a group of people. Sport

1:19:52

does bring people together. There's no denying that. Sport

1:19:54

is very powerful. And I think that brings me

1:19:57

together. But I don't think it's, it's

1:19:59

not kind of nation anymore. We're

1:20:01

relying on, you know, we're proud, this is

1:20:03

our badge, this is who we are, this

1:20:06

is about, I think sport, things

1:20:08

like that bring people together. But personally

1:20:10

I don't think it's the flag, whatever colour it

1:20:12

is, we are, we know that sport is

1:20:14

a really good thing but I don't think it

1:20:16

unites people. If you look at the

1:20:19

quality and equality and everything now that wouldn't

1:20:21

suggest that at all. Adam, thank you,

1:20:23

thank you. I love that call and I completely agree

1:20:25

sport and football in particular has an

1:20:27

incredible power to be changed for good. Ash,

1:20:30

good evening. Good evening,

1:20:32

how are you both? We are good. What

1:20:34

would you like to talk about? I'm

1:20:37

reacting to the caller that called

1:20:39

up about meaningless families, the Scottish

1:20:42

gentleman saying possibly a

1:20:44

city fan was he complaining about

1:20:46

Walker getting injured and not happy

1:20:48

and saying that the club should

1:20:50

have the decision

1:20:52

whether players turn up for internationals or

1:20:54

not. Completely disagree

1:20:56

with that. It's

1:20:59

a bigger picture. When we

1:21:01

failed to win the last couple of

1:21:03

tournaments everybody will say that

1:21:05

we didn't have enough time, the manager doesn't

1:21:07

get enough time to prepare his squad, he

1:21:09

can't see them enough in the camps. If

1:21:13

the managers of international clubs

1:21:15

can't get these players, how

1:21:18

are we ever going to win a tournament? I mean it's

1:21:20

two important games preparing for

1:21:22

a major tournament against strong

1:21:24

opposition. Manager needs his strongest

1:21:27

squad there and he needs

1:21:29

to see how his players react, he needs

1:21:31

to formulate plans, tactics.

1:21:34

I mean a lot of people were talking

1:21:36

about Foden not playing the same

1:21:38

for England yesterday, about not getting into the box,

1:21:40

no touches in the opposition box yesterday. He has

1:21:43

a fullback that

1:21:45

pushes on normally in the

1:21:47

game for City, different players when they

1:21:49

come inside will overlap. That's not

1:21:51

happening for England so he's not as effective. So

1:21:53

how can you get as effective if you can't

1:21:55

get the players? Yeah

1:22:00

He needs time with them, Ash. Thank you very

1:22:02

much. Right, we're gonna try and squeeze

1:22:04

in another call before the end of the show. Good evening,

1:22:06

Callum. Oh, hello,

1:22:08

how are you doing? Good, Callum. You've got

1:22:10

about 90 seconds, Callum. What's your point? Well,

1:22:14

I was really heartened to

1:22:16

hear the call you just had a couple of

1:22:18

minutes ago about the flag on

1:22:20

the back of the England shirt. Adam. You

1:22:23

know, how much anger, yes, Adam, and how

1:22:25

much anger there's been about it. But I

1:22:27

thought everything that your previous call you said

1:22:29

was spot on. And I think

1:22:31

it's really important as well to point out that

1:22:33

this hasn't, you know, this

1:22:35

isn't the first time it's happened where they've changed

1:22:38

the central Georgia flag, but before there wasn't any

1:22:40

sort of uproar. It's happened on

1:22:42

the England kit before it's happened with,

1:22:44

you know, Conservative Party conferences. So

1:22:46

I think it's worth kind of

1:22:48

having a look at why is it happening now?

1:22:50

What does that say about us as a country?

1:22:54

So that's kind of my point to do.

1:22:56

And I think also, if we go on

1:22:58

to do really well in this tournament, it

1:23:00

will all be forgotten, which I think is

1:23:02

quite interesting. Do you really

1:23:04

think that? I'm not so sure about that. I

1:23:07

don't think people will... I have to say, Chris, I'm 100%

1:23:09

sure that if

1:23:11

England go on to win the Euros

1:23:13

this summer, it will be kind of a

1:23:17

glimpse into the past, this sort of kind

1:23:19

of discussion about the flag. I think it

1:23:21

will be forgotten. And if it's not, I

1:23:23

think maybe it's an opportunity, that win, to

1:23:26

kind of reflect on the anger

1:23:28

that came up because of the flag and thinking

1:23:30

about, you know, was that the right response? Yeah,

1:23:34

I think it was, yeah, yeah. Brilliant, that's

1:23:36

great. That's kind of my point. You made

1:23:39

your point. Nice and succinct, and I appreciate it, Callum. Thank you

1:23:41

so much for the call. Thank you. Thank you

1:23:43

very much. Cheers. Chris, thanks for having me

1:23:45

tonight. Thanks, Natalie. You support multiple

1:23:47

clubs. I found out tonight, we've always

1:23:49

finding things out about you. You found

1:23:52

out that I like football outside the Premier League, Chris.

1:23:54

Nah, good on you. Do you,

1:23:56

Chris? You have rocks, yep. Well,

1:23:58

thank you for having me, and thank you all for leaving. listening thank

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you for your calls tonight Chris will be back with

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