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episode. Hello everyone and welcome to

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a bonus episode for a cast

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of kings. I am David Chen.

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She is Kim Renfro. We're here to

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talk about extraneous bonus

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topics that didn't make it into

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the regular show because

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even though the show usually

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last longer than the actual episode

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of the House of the Dragon on which it's based,

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there's still way more to discuss. So

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one thing I wanted to mention, Kim, before we

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get going here, is

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that according to a piece

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in variety, House of the Dragon

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is averaging twenty nine million viewers

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per episode and that the audience has gone

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up in

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week five.

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So Pretty

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good. Pretty good. You know, like,

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pretty pretty successful show

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in terms of, like, total number of years

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per episode and And the fact

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that the viewership is going up, I think,

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is a really good time for them. Yeah.

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Really just keeps building upon itself

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in a way that I don't know that I was expecting

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too, which is really cool to see.

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Do

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you feel like first

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of all, what I love about the show is like it's very

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buzz worthy, very water cooler

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type conversation

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driving, like, stuff happens

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every week. That's -- Mhmm. -- interesting. Like,

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we gotta talk about that, you know, and And

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I think that's true of this show in a way that it

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isn't really for most other

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shows on TV right now. Yeah.

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But anyway, thought it was worth mentioning

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that if you are enjoying House of the

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Dragon and the cast of Kings, you're in very good

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company. So

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Alright.

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We

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Bill

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writes to a cast kings at gmail dot com.

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Dear, Dave, and Kim enjoyed your discussion

2:56

about episode five of House of Dragon.

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I agree with you guys at conversation between Reinera

3:00

and Lanor didn't quite land as the writers may

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have intended. You rightly brought up

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a parallel scene in Schitt's Creek, but for me,

3:06

It seems like a clearer reference to scene from

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a much longer ago in cinema history. Specifically,

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the nineteen sixties Epic Spartacus

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directed by Stanley Cupric and written by

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Trumbo. In one key scene,

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the character of Marcus Lusenas

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crisis played by Lawrence Olivier is

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getting bathed by his slave Antoninus played

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by Tony Curtis. sort of out of

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nowhere, this dialogue occurs.

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And

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listener, I have clipped the dialogue for you so

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we can actually play it from the movie.

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Do you eat

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oysters? When

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I have the master? Do

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you eat snails? No

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master. Do

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you consider the eating of oysters to be modeled

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and the eating of stairs to be m modeled?

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No matter. Of

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course not.

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It is

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all a matter of taste. Yes,

4:03

ma'am.

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And taste is not the same as appetite.

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And therefore, not a quest enough models,

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is it?

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It

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could be argued so master

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Alright.

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That was clip from Spartacus. I'm continuing Bill's

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email and please let us know where you're writing from when you

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write in the future. quote, this

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scene was deemed too controversial for

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nineteen sixty, perhaps especially

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because Dalton Trumbo had spent time in Hollywood

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jail for his left wing politics. so it was

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cut from the theatrical version. But in the nineteen

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nineties or early two thousands, it was restored to

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a new DVD release of a film. However,

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the original audio track had been lost. At

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this point, Tony Curtis was still alive, but

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Lawrence Olivier had died, so they brought

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in Tony to record his lines and Anthony Hopkins

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to do his best Olivier impression. The

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scene is now back in the movie in the criterion

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collection edition I have. Anyway, if I had

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to guess, I'd say this is the reference to that

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the House of Dragon writers were going for. because

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Spartica seems a more like for like inspiration.

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Really enjoy the podcast. Keep up the great work.

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End to quote, that comes in from Bill.

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It was so cool. I would agree that

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that is probably the reference that they were going

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for and not the Schitts

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Creek. scene. To be

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clear, I didn't think they were, like, referencing

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Shitts Creek with that scene. I

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was just when I explained

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that it was more, like, this is a very

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clear example of how this conversations

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can play out between characters. Yes.

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I agree. I didn't I wasn't I mean, it didn't

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mean to imply that you thought it was a Shisko driven. but

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I also I also agree that that was a you know,

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Shitt's Creek scene was like a great

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example of what that is. Right? Totally. And

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I didn't know this. I I haven't seen Spartacus.

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And it was really cool to get

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so many people writing in about this

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little detail that I had totally missed. I love that

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this this totally does seem like it is

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the more direct reference. And I

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like all like all this backstory too about it

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having been, like,

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lost a time and then rediscovered

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really cool.

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You had some quizzical looks on your

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here's the thing. We do this podcast

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on video. You can find it at youtube dot com slash

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broadcasting. It's like the normal episodes. It's not the bonus

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episodes. But you

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Kim has a very expressive face. And

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sometimes, Kim, you have this like you had this

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physical look on your face when I was playing that clip.

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And I'm like, is there something that was

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surprising to you about the clip? Or were you just kind

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of what was your reaction to the clip? I'm

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curious.

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A lot of wet

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sounds -- Oh, mostly.

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-- they're getting because he's getting bathed.

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Right. was I was picturing what was

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happening in my mind.

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Alright. But I no.

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Andrew I know the gutter cam. Good job. I was just

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listening closely to be, like,

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because,

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again, I haven't seen

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this movie, so I don't know all of the extra

6:53

context of this. Like, are those two characters

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also lovers at some point? Or, like,

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are

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there? Or

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was this just like a really

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subtle

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script moment to like allude to the

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fact that people might have different taste? Yeah. I

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think it was it was more the latter

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than the former. But yeah.

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Cool.

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Thanks to Bill for writing that in.

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everyone who sent that in and agreed that was

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probably an homage to

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Spartacus. So Okay.

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Jason from Boulder Colorado writes

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to caskings at gmail dot com.

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And Jason writes in with a multipronged email

7:29

that I thought these are, like, really nice juicy

7:32

questions we can dive into each one

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of these. I think each one is worthy of conversation.

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So let's get into it. Jay, so question

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one. Jason Writing in to Kaskings

7:42

at gmail dot com. I feel like the show

7:44

has not done enough work to show us why King

7:46

Vicero has chosen Rainera as his heir

7:48

over Aegon. From what we have seen,

7:50

she did not show up for Aegon celebration. She disobeyed

7:52

him and flew her dragon to Dragonstone when

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King Viceris and Otto High Tower, and she

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snuck out of the Red Keep and was caught coupling with

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demon. Everyone is telling him that the kingdom

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will not accept her as heir, now that Aegon is

8:03

born. So why would king viserys keep her as

8:05

his heir when Aegon has a more legitimate claims

8:07

to the throne? I don't mean to be misogynistic at

8:09

all. I personally think Reneer is amazing. I would love to

8:11

see her on the iron throne. But in these Game of Thrones

8:13

times, a male child is always the heir. don't

8:15

feel like enough work has been done to show us why king of

8:17

affairs shows Ranira over Aegon. Is it because Aegon

8:20

is less Targaryen than Ranira since Ranira's mother

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was also a Targaryen that doesn't seem like the

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explanation end quote.

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I do think there is something

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to Jason's email about the

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show doing its work to

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to to kind of demonstrate why viserys

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is so clearly on this path. Now my

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interpretation of it is

8:41

those conversations that

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Acerus had with Alison like, that

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conversation that he had with Alison about

8:48

the prophecy and, like, maybe I

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stuck to the prophecy too much. Maybe

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my desire to see a male heir on

8:54

the throne was too intense

8:57

and it cost my wife her life. And

8:59

therefore, I'm gonna overcorrect in the

9:01

other direction, which is

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Reneer is on the third no matter what. Like, that's

9:06

That was my that's my interpretation.

9:09

But I I understand. That's

9:11

that's like one scene, you know, like and,

9:13

yes, there were other scenes that kinda

9:15

lit up to it and the scenes that have pimped it up, but,

9:17

like, I understand why someone might have

9:20

Jason's

9:21

reaction because it really does seem

9:23

like Vesteros is committed to this path

9:25

no matter how many people are telling him it's a

9:27

terrible idea. What

9:30

is your take on a,

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why viserus is committed to Rayonier on

9:34

the throne and b, whether the show has done a good

9:36

job of depicting why that is.

9:38

Yeah. I mean, first off, I think

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it's important to remember that he

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named Rainier as his heir and had all of those

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lords swear obeisance to her before

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Aegon existed, before he was even

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remarried, before he had another child.

9:52

So, like, I I

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think that that is sort of what is

9:56

part of his main driver is that I totally

9:58

like, you are so spot

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on with the fact that, of course, he

10:02

seems to

10:04

have realized that his determination

10:07

to have a male heir and have that

10:09

heir sit on the throne

10:11

is what led to his wife's death

10:13

who by all accounts and by his own account

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he loved very dearly.

10:19

So to me, it feels more like a

10:21

loyalty thing to

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her and to his family of

10:25

like I

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think that Vocera's really struggles with

10:28

underspike, with

10:32

accepting what it means

10:34

to be a good ruler. And I think in his

10:36

mind, like, follow through

10:38

seems to kind of be important

10:40

and, like,

10:41

the idea that he would be,

10:43

like, really flip floppy about

10:45

his air. I think to him, he worries

10:47

would make him seem more weak. And also,

10:50

like, naming an infant air

10:52

is a lot more risky than

10:54

having a, like, rainier is pretty

10:57

much a full grown woman in

10:59

Westeros' eyes at this point, and

11:01

much more capable of actually like being involved

11:03

with the day to day stuff versus a toddler,

11:05

like, then you're signing up for another

11:07

ten, twelve years of your

11:11

your line of succession not being really,

11:13

like,

11:14

mature if

11:15

that makes sense? I think that that might also have

11:18

something to do with it. Yeah. What was the

11:20

second question? Oh,

11:21

and how they're doing of, like, showing that? Well,

11:23

I was gonna say, like, the idea of king viceris

11:26

not wanting to flip flop or not

11:28

wanting to be seen as flip flopping, I

11:30

agree that that's probably where it comes from, but, like, I

11:32

don't think the show has done a really great job of

11:35

showing that. You know what I mean?

11:36

Yeah. And to me, I think that

11:38

to

11:39

me, that doesn't feel like a missing

11:42

piece of the story. That kind of feels like the point

11:44

of the story. That Vocera is really

11:46

struggling with communicating to

11:48

anyone -- Mhmm.

11:50

-- why he's doing what he's doing and then,

11:52

like, backing that up with actions. Right?

11:54

He seems to kinda, like, make a choice and then

11:57

hope for the best And then when everything

11:59

starts falling apart, he gets pissed and tries

12:01

to, like, double down. And I don't

12:03

think that that's the mark of a good king I think

12:05

that that's part of the point is that Vocera's

12:08

was unable to

12:11

create a, like, orderly An

12:16

orderly line of succession, while

12:18

also drastically changing the customs

12:20

of Westeros, like exactly as Jason

12:22

points out, the fact that everyone else in the realm

12:24

is seems very confused as to why Aegon

12:26

would not now be

12:29

next in line, viserus has done a

12:31

crap job of getting his lords fully

12:33

behind this idea of having a total

12:35

change to the way that the line of succession works

12:37

in Westeros. I think that he just sort of made the

12:40

call and then hoped everybody would fall into

12:42

line. and they didn't.

12:44

And

12:44

that's part of the reason why there's

12:46

the chaos happening that there is five episodes

12:48

in.

12:50

So it

12:52

sounds like you're saying that

12:54

the show is doing a good job of depicting

12:56

the fact that viseris is not doing

12:58

a good job of communicating his rationale. Yeah.

13:01

I think so. Alright. He's

13:04

a he's a bad diplomat. Yes.

13:06

No. Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay.

13:09

Question two from Jason from Boulder,

13:12

Colorado. Can't leaprodo you have any idea

13:14

of what is happening with Winterwinds in the last book

13:16

of a song of Ice and Fire? My Google searches are very confusing.

13:18

Is George R. Martin still working on it? is

13:20

the book completely abandoned. I was so disappointed

13:22

with the final season Game Thrones, and I'm still holding

13:25

out hope that winter winds will eventually be released and we will

13:27

have a better ending to this amazing series.

13:29

Yeah. So I do have some

13:31

idea. George has been updating us

13:34

more frequently than he used to. He has a

13:36

blog on his website

13:37

that's

13:38

he jokingly calls it not a blog. So

13:40

if you search like not a blog The

13:42

Wins of Winter, which is the title of the

13:44

upcoming Sixth Book in song of Ice

13:46

and Fire, you will

13:49

find him commenting on it. He says that he's still

13:51

working on it. He has gotten

13:53

to the point, I think smartly, where he

13:55

just does not promise us when he expects

13:57

to have it done. He's, like, blown through,

14:00

I think, like, three anticipated deadlines.

14:04

The last book came out in two thousand eleven.

14:06

Mhmm. And at that point, he already had some

14:08

chapters done over the winds of winter. So he's been working

14:11

on this book for, like, twelve years now. He

14:13

says he's still working on it. He says it's still

14:16

one of his many priorities of projects.

14:18

I remain hopeful that we will see that book eventually.

14:22

I'm no longer certain that we will actually

14:24

get the the planned final

14:26

book of the show. And

14:29

that was Zelda's tail making a cameo

14:31

appearance on our video. But

14:36

So the winds of winter is supposed

14:38

to be the next book, and then there's supposed to be an additional

14:40

book after that. Yeah. It's called a Dream

14:42

of Spring, which is

14:44

supposed to be the final book. is

14:46

supposed to be where everything that we

14:48

saw in season eight of Game of Thrones may or

14:50

may not happen.

14:52

I I honestly think that very few things that

14:54

we saw in season eight are actually gonna happen based

14:56

on the way that George has talked about it. I have

14:58

a very long article about this that

15:00

I can link in the show notes if anyone

15:02

wants to learn more. But

15:04

basically,

15:05

aside from brand being king,

15:08

there's very little that we know for sure.

15:11

is going to be the same in his planned

15:13

book ending versus the show's ending.

15:15

So there's not gonna be a big scene where Arya

15:17

kills the Night King with that dagger.

15:18

The Night King straight up does not exist

15:21

in the books, which is bananas. I remember

15:23

you telling me that. Yeah. Sorry. I was like I'm

15:25

sure I say that all the time. It's

15:28

Kim is actually wearing a shirt that says the Night King

15:31

does not exist in the books. I don't know if you people

15:33

who aren't looking at the video can't see, but that's what

15:35

she's it's it's weird. She's really intense

15:38

about it. But, yes, we

15:40

discussed this in our pre show bonus

15:42

episodes, and, yeah, Nike does not exist in the books.

15:45

But, yeah, it's fascinating. So you you are

15:47

holding out hope Kim, that Wednesday of winter will

15:49

come out, you

15:50

are less sure that Dream of Spring will ever be

15:52

released.

15:52

We'll see. But

15:54

Wouldn't that be absolutely wild?

15:56

that, like -- Yeah. -- the final you

15:58

know, I I mean, just based on the

16:00

timeline, it feels unlikely if

16:02

the last book was eleven years ago, and

16:05

then the next book has not yet come out.

16:07

It feels like really a pipe dream

16:09

that the dream of spring might ever come

16:11

out. I'm so curious what's gonna happen. Like, Yeah.

16:14

You know, is yeah.

16:17

Sometimes, other

16:19

authors can take over the franchise or

16:22

posthumously that can happen. I

16:24

believe Georgia said he does not want

16:26

that to happen. So

16:30

we just got

16:31

it. Like, my most optimistic

16:34

feeling -- Or, like,

16:36

imagination is that the

16:38

winds of winter really tangled

16:40

up in the fact

16:41

that the show existed. Right?

16:42

He wrote all of the other books before

16:45

HBO's Game of Thrones was a thing.

16:47

And I think it is totally understandable that

16:50

that, like, was very un he didn't

16:52

think it was gonna be as popular as it was. It was

16:54

very unexpected. Probably got his writing

16:56

process all very, like, tangled up. we know

16:58

that he, like, rewriting and changes things all the

17:00

time. I'm, like, maybe

17:03

he just it was, like, he had a lot of writer's

17:05

block around

17:07

the sixth book and, like, it's taking

17:08

him a long time to push through that and to,

17:10

like, let Game of Thrones

17:13

kind of, like, settle in the background a little

17:15

bit. all of those feelings, all of,

17:17

like, the revelations that he had hoped to have

17:19

on his own in the books that he didn't, like, John

17:21

Snow returning.

17:23

Hodor probably was the

17:25

Hodor. one of his

17:26

his book reveals that he hasn't gotten

17:28

to show us yet in his writing. And so I'm

17:30

like, maybe if he just finishes the winter

17:33

winter, then it'll be like, boom, smooth

17:35

sailing from here. Like, I finally

17:37

got the big hurdle done with

17:39

and now can just, like, bang out my

17:41

ending. But,

17:44

again, that's my most optimistic

17:47

brain. Mhmm. Talking. I don't know.

17:49

but -- Mhmm. George can do whatever he wants.

17:52

Yes. Of course. I'm letting him letting

17:54

him tell me what to be excited

17:56

about. I'm just

17:57

trying to think if there's anything in modern

17:59

like,

17:59

I don't think there's anything in modern

18:02

precedent that even is similar to the situation

18:04

where You know? There was

18:06

a manga.

18:07

Right? Now

18:08

I can't remember the name of it. Okay.

18:11

You're not narrowing it down for me. Can sorry.

18:14

Someone I'm sure someone listening knows,

18:16

but finish your finish your Well, it's where

18:18

where there's a book or a series

18:20

based off of the book. the series is becomes

18:22

literally one of the most popular TV shows

18:25

in the history of television, and

18:27

then they're like kind of matching each season

18:29

to each book. And then they

18:31

the books aren't unfinished and then the season needs

18:33

to keep going, and then the book ends

18:35

up not ever being finished, or the book

18:37

series ends up not never being finished. Like Right.

18:40

never being finished as I yeah.

18:42

Definitely

18:42

unprecedented. There

18:44

I I feel like there was some anime that

18:46

was based on, like, a

18:48

manga series where

18:50

they, like, caught up to the published material.

18:52

And so then the TV show just had to, like, spin

18:55

its wheels for, like, multiple

18:57

seasons waiting for the author to catch up,

18:59

and then they I did.

19:00

But, yeah, the

19:02

the no.

19:03

There what that there's been nothing

19:05

like this. in history,

19:08

which is very exciting, but also sometimes

19:10

very overwhelming. Because the time

19:12

when you want answers, they're just aren't any.

19:14

It's like so out of our hands.

19:17

What happens? But I really

19:19

do hope that I get to read

19:21

the winds of winter someday. And

19:23

then a dream of spring would be like,

19:27

I don't know,

19:28

a surprise free coffee at the drive thru or

19:30

something where you're like, oh,

19:32

that's nice. I

19:35

wasn't expecting that. Oh, someone bought it for

19:37

the person in front of me bought it for me. Do

19:39

I wanna pay it for it or pay you know,

19:42

Anyway, I never pay it forward. I'm sorry.

19:44

Yes. I agree. You should stop that. I take

19:46

pity on the workers who have to figure

19:48

out all that chaos. And I just accept that was

19:50

a worker that was, like, pay for it. I would just

19:52

keep the money and not say anything. You know, that's

19:54

kinda what I would recommend.

19:57

Okay. Question

19:59

three

19:59

from Jason from Boulder writing into a guest, King's at

20:02

g mail dot com. I can't

20:04

stop thinking about House of Dragon takes place about two

20:06

hundred years before Game of Thrones yet the world seems essentially

20:08

the same. where there are no major advances technology

20:11

in two hundred years. I keep thinking about how different

20:13

life was in eighteen twenty two versus twenty twenty

20:15

two. I've tried to just accept this, but I'm curious

20:17

if you two have thoughts on this end quote. Yes,

20:21

Jason, there were many changes between

20:23

eighteen twenty two and twenty twenty two,

20:25

but were there a lot changes between

20:27

thirteen twenty two and fifteen

20:29

twenty two, you know. I feel like the last two

20:32

hundred years has seen basically unprecedented

20:35

technological growth in human society. And,

20:38

yes, life would be completely unrecognizable to

20:41

someone two hundred years ago, but I don't think

20:43

we were always at this rate of

20:45

technological acceleration. So

20:47

to me, it actually feels

20:50

pretty reasonable the difference that we

20:52

see. And in fact, To some

20:54

degree, some of the stuff we see in this

20:56

show is more quote unquote advanced because

20:59

it the the Dragon pit

21:01

and all the Dragon stuff is still, like,

21:03

live and with us. And in

21:05

the Game of Thrones universe, you see a lot of that stuff

21:08

being bombed out and depleted and not

21:10

in a good state. And

21:13

you you feel like, obviously, great

21:15

wars happened here, and civilizations

21:17

have declined to some degree, and, you know, the Hungarian

21:19

Empire has reduced to basically two

21:21

people. So,

21:24

yeah,

21:25

it it it feels pretty reasonable to me. Kim run

21:27

for what do you think?

21:27

I totally agree. The

21:30

only other thing that I would add is I believe that

21:32

there's a really good video essay on this

21:35

on YouTube about how magic inhibits

21:38

technological advancement in,

21:40

like, certain

21:40

societies, which I thought was, like, an interesting

21:43

point, like, the fact that there is, like,

21:45

dragons and magic and

21:47

all of that, that, like, it

21:49

would be contained to that family, which

21:52

it effectively is exactly like you said, you know,

21:54

the Targaryens have their saddles

21:56

and, like,

21:57

all

21:58

these things that are that get

21:59

lost to time eventually when

22:02

magic also

22:02

fades out from the world. So

22:05

I think it tracks within the universe.

22:07

I agree. I agree.

22:09

And

22:09

final question from Jason. from

22:12

Boulder, Colorado writing into keskings g

22:14

mail dot com. I was very confused about

22:16

why they had the wedding in episode

22:18

five right after the death occurred. What

22:20

happened to the seven days of feasting? Is that what

22:22

happened in the book too? I feel like it made no sense.

22:24

I jumped right to the wedding after brutal death, and I

22:26

feel like this is not at all explained. Was

22:29

this a choice? Because

22:31

it would have been really expensive to film a royal

22:33

wedding. David appreciated your explanation about why

22:35

Kristen Cole might have acted the way he did. However,

22:37

I was still very confused by his actions and initially

22:40

thought he was Damon that he was attacking since

22:42

Damon had his hands on Rainera. Not

22:44

a fan of this welcome dinner scene but

22:46

I have been loving the season overall.

22:49

So why did they move up the

22:52

the marriage or the wedding, I should say? Why did

22:54

they move up the wedding? It was

22:56

not it was not explained in the show. What

22:58

was your interpretation of that kid?

22:59

Yeah. My read on that was that Vocera's

23:02

kinda made the call to basically do like a

23:04

shotgun wedding after he

23:06

saw everything unfold at the

23:08

feast. I think

23:10

that his main concern was that Damon might

23:13

actually take Raynira up on her

23:15

on what we saw her intimate to him

23:17

on the dance floor of being, like, why don't you just

23:19

take me away to Dragonstone and make me your wife.

23:22

Obviously, if Acerus didn't hear that, but

23:25

he was clearly very concerned by

23:27

the way that they were behaving in public and think

23:30

that he just did not trust that, like,

23:32

he could keep it under control

23:34

for another seven days. and not

23:36

risk losing this very, like,

23:38

hard won alliance

23:40

with the Valerians.

23:41

So Yeah.

23:43

That was my read on it.

23:45

Yeah.

23:46

I think that's very reasonable.

23:48

I think the

23:52

the the only other thing I might

23:54

add is, hey, there's been a

23:56

killing at this wedding and And,

24:00

yeah, it might not be possible

24:02

to control not only

24:04

Rainira and Damon, but

24:07

also just the safety.

24:09

You clearly don't even have good safety protocols

24:11

in place for the wedding itself. So, like -- Right. --

24:13

maybe rather than risk anything bad

24:15

happening. Rainyura could have been badly

24:18

injured in that. Right. So it's, like, rather than risk

24:20

anything else bad happening, because something else terrible

24:22

has already happened. Yeah. Just get it done

24:24

with and, like, take that off the table as

24:26

a thing that might occur. Right. Like,

24:28

we were on the basically,

24:30

like, the welcome feast

24:33

devolved into that much violence

24:35

and chaos that he didn't wanna continue

24:37

risking the exposure of all these families

24:39

and also maybe he was worried that like lane

24:41

or would back out if given more

24:43

time to actually process what just happened,

24:47

which is terrible. So then you make him

24:49

marry your daughter in

24:51

the feet away from

24:53

the blood of

24:54

the love of your life is really awful.

24:57

Yeah. No. It's terrible.

24:58

I think the whole thing was supposed to read as, like,

25:01

tragic and the exact opposite of

25:03

what the actual seven day

25:05

party wedding festivities

25:06

would have looked like. Right? Mhmm.

25:09

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25:11

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