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Hey, cast of Kingslisteners. What you're about to hear
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is a clip from a decoding TV podcast
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episode that I recorded with Kim Rintreau and
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my wife Joy in which we discuss the Netflix
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original series eighteen ninety nine.
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Season one of which is streaming right now.
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In this clip, we discussed overall thoughts
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on the first season with those spoilers.
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And then there's a spoiler warning and then we get into
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full spoilers including what we thought of each
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character storyline as well as what is
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going on with the ending of season one
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and our wild speculations and theories.
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So this is the non spoilerory part where we talk about
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our overall thoughts. To hear the rest of the episode, all you gotta
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do is go to podcast dot decoding tv dot com
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where you can listen to us discuss eighteen ninety
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nine, as well as other shows like Andor
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White Lotus and the Last Of Us
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coming up in January. Thanks so
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much for listening. Hope you have a happy
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holiday and enjoy this clip from
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the decoding TV podcast in which we cover
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eighteen ninety nine. Hello,
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everyone, and welcome to decoding TV,
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a podcast about television. We got
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a special treat for you today. We are here to
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talk about 1 of the top
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shows on Netflix has been there consistently
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for the last few weeks. It's a show called
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eighteen ninety nine. It's from the creators of
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Dark And joining me today
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for this podcast episode, I
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mean, I have the best of the
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best. The cream of the crop
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She is known as at joy on
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napping on Twitter, and also
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my wife. At joy on napping,
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who will call joy, welcome to decoding
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TV. Thank you. I'm so excited
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to be here with you and the rest of the cream of
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the crop.
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Indeed. Indeed. I mean -- Yeah. -- everyone
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I just spilled it. Every
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every one at decoding TV is is really the
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cream of the crop. But, yes, I We're all tied for first.
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You're all you're all tied for first. That's really what
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it is. But obviously, you've
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heard Joanne and myself talk about the Crown
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season five and better
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call sole season season finale here on the decoding
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TV feed and probably
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many more things in the future. Joining us
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also. She
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is a writer at
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insider dot com. She's also my cohost
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on a cast of Kings podcast, Kim Renfro.
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Welcome to decoding TV. I think this is your
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first appearance On decoding
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TV. I've made it. Yeah.
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The your the whole first ten
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episodes of House of Dragon recap was
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really a long elaborate test
2:19
to see if you're worthy to get onto decoding
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devices. Yeah. So welcome. Thank you. Yes.
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Yeah. Hey, Kim. It's this
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is this is like our first podcast since
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House of the Dragon ended. So
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I hope I hope life's been treating you well. I've
2:33
missed our weekly chats. I know me too.
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It's so nice to to see her face and hear
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her voice. Oh, well, the
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the feeling is mutual. But,
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hey, We're not here for the Lufus. We
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are here to talk about eighteen ninety
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nine. Six
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hours ago, we received a message. We
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believe this comes from the Prometheus. You
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think the passengers are still alive? Kavitha,
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we paid good money for this trip, seven
3:13
days to get to New York, no details.
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That was from the trailer for eighteen ninety
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nine season 1, which is currently streaming
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on net Flicks. I'm going to read the plot summary
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of this movie of this TV series from
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MDB. Multinational immigrants
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traveling from the old continent to the new
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encounter a nightmarish riddle aboard
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a second ship adrift on
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the open sea. That is
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the pretty vague plot
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summary. About eighteen ninety nine.
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Now, I think in
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order to talk about eighteen ninety nine and
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like why we are interested in the show at all,
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it might be good to provide some context.
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The people who created this show, I'm gonna
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probably butcher their names, but I'm gonna give
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a shot. Jansa Freeza, and
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Barron Bo Oder. Is
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that roughly the the co creators
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of eighteen ninety nine? Mhmm. They
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also co created dark, which
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ran for three seasons on Netflix and
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is a massively popular international
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show that was critically
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acclaimed, and both of my co hosts have
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seen the entirety of Dark. I've seen season one
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of Dark, never finished it, but I enjoyed what
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I saw. But, Kim,
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why don't we start with you? I mean, you
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were an enormous Santa Dark. Tell us
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about what you loved about that show and why
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you were looking forward to eighteen ninety nine.
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Yeah. Dark is one of those like
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sleeper Netflix hits
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for me where you
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know, it was in the era where Netflix wasn't
4:53
quite putting out the level of originals
4:55
that they are right now. This was twenty sixteen.
4:58
If I'm She's remembering
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correctly. It was like
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the post Stranger Things era where everyone
5:04
was kind of like hunting for what was gonna be that
5:06
next hidden gem. And
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dark. I saw the teaser and it looked
5:10
to me like a combination of like
5:13
like true crime, murder mystery, stranger
5:16
things with like a David fincher filter
5:18
put over it. And I was like cool, sold.
5:20
I'll watch this. And yeah, I just
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fell in love very quickly. It
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was the first international Netflix
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series I watched, so I watched it all in
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the original German with just
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reading subtitles. I thought it
5:32
had, like, an incredible score, both
5:34
the original score and then the soundtrack
5:36
of songs that they paired along with it were, like,
5:38
some indie bands I've always loved and have never,
5:40
like, heard like,
5:42
I hadn't heard Feveray used in a
5:45
Netflix show yet. And so, yeah, I
5:47
just really loved it and By the time
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that they got to season three, I think
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that Dark is one of the most, like,
5:53
tightly written series I have ever
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seen, like, to completion from
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start to end. It is so rewatchable
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because they very clearly from the outset
6:02
knew exactly how complicated everything
6:04
was gonna be, but they planned it out to
6:06
a tee. Which is something that,
6:08
you know, shows, like, Westworld have really struggled
6:10
with once they get up to those second third
6:12
seasons. But, like, Dark was, like, whoa.
6:14
This was it felt
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very buttoned up. Mhmm. And
6:18
so It it it felt like when you
6:20
got to the end, you're like, oh, wow. They clearly
6:22
were planning for this from the beginning as
6:24
opposed to making things up left and right, and
6:26
now it doesn't really fit with what we saw earlier.
6:28
Right? Yeah. Or, like, you know, it's inevitable I
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think in, like, these, like, big high concept
6:32
sci fi show sometime that, like, threads
6:34
will get dropped eventually, like lost
6:36
or whatever it is. But, like, really dark
6:38
had so few, like, even
6:40
minute prop details
6:42
or, like, character costumes that were
6:44
coming full circle, like, just
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very cool. But yeah. So I love I
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love digging down about it. Joy, I would
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love to hear all of your dark thoughts
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too. Yeah. Joy, tell us about your dark thoughts,
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bleak thoughts, but your thoughts on
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On dark? My
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happy thoughts about dark are,
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you know, it took me a little while to
7:03
finish the show because it
7:05
is in German and I wanted to read the subtitles
7:07
as opposed to hear the
7:08
dub, I think I didn't quite catch
7:10
up until very recently.
7:12
And I
7:12
knew it would be frankly, it's like conceptually
7:15
pretty difficult to follow what's
7:17
going on. Yeah. And I knew just from
7:19
Internet vibes that it was gonna get escalatingly
7:22
complicated. So if you
7:24
for instance David enjoyed season one, I
7:26
think season two and three will below
7:28
your mind, And
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don't worry Internet. If you were screaming
7:33
at your phone just now when he said he only
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watched one season. That
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I am working on him really hard to finish
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it. Because it is so rewatchable. I'd be
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thrilled to start it with him again at the beginning.
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Yeah. You look you look like you might 1899 react
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to that, David. Yeah.
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Well, so I watched season
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one. I thought it was really, really well
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done. But the show is just a lot
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of work. You know, it demands a
7:56
lot of you. You're
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seeing multiple
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characters in different time periods
8:02
of their lives played by different
8:04
actors. And
8:06
you need to kind of memorize, like,
8:08
who is who, and then also, like,
8:10
sometimes they're, like, from different dimensions, and then
8:13
then it's, like, okay, which one of these and so you just
8:15
need to keep track you just need to work to keep track of it all.
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And -- Yeah. -- I didn't have Kim
8:20
Rempro with, like, amazing show notes
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to guide me through it, unfortunately. So
8:26
but I'm willing to to tackle again. That said,
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I was a huge fan of what I saw from season
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one. Like, it's season one is really well
8:32
done overall. Like, it's a very satisfying
8:34
watch overall. And
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so when eighteen ninety nine showed
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up on the Netflix queue, I was like, hey,
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let's give it a shot. Let's I
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was at the time as I was finishing
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season three of
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dark. Eighteen ninety nine was coming
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out. And so I thought I need to,
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like, really get through dark so that I
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can close that off even though it is
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incredibly complicated like you said and takes work
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David, I really believe it is worth
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every ounce of that effort. I
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too, like, so many other people have,
9:03
like, post lost
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traumatic syndrome where you, like, start
9:07
a show and it's so intriguing, but you really
9:09
wanna see if they kind of land it
9:11
before you put in the effort to do the
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whole thing. So, yes, Kim, and
9:15
her incredible recaps, and
9:18
dissection at insider dot com are there to guide
9:20
you as well as, you know, your wife nudging you in
9:22
the ribs. And
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coming off of that, I
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felt So in
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awe of the architecture of what
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these show runners had put together for a dark
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that I was ready to really follow
9:35
them literally anywhere including
9:37
into this steampunk y,
9:39
you know, sort of late Victorian
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era world. And
9:44
we can talk about how excited
9:46
or not we are about that now that
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we've seen season one. Yeah.
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So here's how the structure of this conversation is
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gonna go. We are gonna talk
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about overall thoughts on eighteen ninety nine
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with no spoilers, and
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then we are gonna dive into full spoilers
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because you really can't have a conversation
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about the show without diving into full spoilers.
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So we're gonna try to be as vague as
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possible during the pre spoiler
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section, but Let's start with Kim Renfro.
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Do you think people should watch
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eighteen ninety nine? What do you think of a show
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overall? I
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do think people should watch eighteen ninety
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nine. It's eight episodes. Like,
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you know, if it was ten,
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I might hesitate little bit
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more these days in this economy. In
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this economy. Eight episodes in this
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economy. Eight
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episodes that are all under an hour, you know,
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this is a show that I think is worth
10:39
it. Honestly,
10:41
due to a
10:43
very well deserved build up of
10:45
goodwill for the creators of
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this show based on what I've seen in
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dark. Interesting interesting
10:52
statement Kim because that almost implies
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that without that buildup of
10:56
goodwill, season one might
10:58
be regarded by many people as like a
11:00
waste of time. I'm just throwing out
11:02
hypothetically. That's a fascinating
11:05
completely off the cuff thought that I think you
11:07
just had there. I'm not I'm just calling I'm
11:09
just shooting the hip here, you know.
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But it it sounds like it sounds
11:13
like from what you're saying that, like, some amount
11:15
of goodwill might
11:17
be desired perhaps even necessary.
11:20
To really -- Yeah. -- enjoy the show. Yeah.
11:22
The the goodwill smooths
11:24
out some rough edges that I
11:26
would probably otherwise mull
11:31
over more than I am at the moment. I've
11:33
sort of -- Mhmm. -- I've sort of shaken off
11:35
the things. Which
11:37
we can get into later once for talking
11:39
specifics. But, yeah, I I think that,
11:41
like, dark season one was probably
11:43
a a stronger overall
11:46
introductory season for the story that they
11:48
were telling, then this is
11:50
based on what I think they're doing
11:52
by the end of this season.
11:56
But it's still very strong for me
11:58
in terms of, like, production
12:01
design, like, a
12:03
lot of, like, the sci fi concepts
12:05
that we see in this show, I think, are executed
12:08
very, like, in a very just cool
12:11
way that I like and I like to just sit
12:13
there and, like, be in awe of this
12:15
little invention or this little steampunk
12:18
retro futuristic thing that
12:20
I probably wouldn't have thought of.
12:22
I like how multilingual
12:25
it is. I really like that
12:27
aspect of it. Because
12:30
I don't watch a ton of shows that
12:32
are subtitled or that are in foreign
12:34
languages. And so this one
12:37
liked dark. I found it very easy to get into and,
12:39
like, fall into the rhythm of these characters.
12:41
But, yeah, there are there are some there are
12:43
some rough rough patches in there
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and some things that I'm, you know, I
12:47
really hope I see a second season of
12:49
that can clear up some of my questions and
12:52
concerns at the moment. Mhmm.
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Joy, what did you think of eighteen ninety nine season
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one? Very similar to
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what Kim thought. A,
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if you just wanna hang out vibe's show and
13:05
this is your vibe, there's no
13:07
better you're not gonna find something with more
13:09
spectacular production. As
13:11
a moody, probably
13:14
haunted ship, you know, kind of show
13:16
set in this era, steamship specifically.
13:20
And I learned a lot about the workings of
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steamships, actually, from this, like how much work it
13:24
is to shovel that coal. But
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you know Right. Like not not too long ago, basically,
13:29
there was physical humans that
13:31
needed to throw coal into fire in order
13:33
for a ship to keep
13:34
going. Right? You guys not re watching Titanic on
13:36
a, like, biannual basis.
13:42
A whole engine room plotline. It's
13:44
a reminder. It's a reminder. It's a
13:46
reminder. Yes. What
13:48
James Cameron brought to our lives so many years
13:49
ago, we are now reminded of through the magic
13:52
of eighteen ninety nine. Steam ships. I
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think the
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scifi concepts work enough for
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me. What I think, you know, it's so hard again
14:01
not to compare this to dark. Dark
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manages to deliver emotional
14:06
payoffs along with the sort
14:08
of plot reveals, even the interim
14:10
plot reveals in a way that
14:12
this doesn't quite do for me. And
14:14
I think that is probably both
14:16
a feature and a bug
14:18
of the fact that the cast mostly
14:20
doesn't speak the same language. So
14:22
because it is by construct people
14:24
from all over Europe and China,
14:26
basically, all ending up on this
14:28
steam ship headed to
14:29
America. It's a metaphor for
14:31
America itself and its founding.
14:34
You are
14:34
frequently looking at pairings of people
14:37
who cannot communicate to each
14:39
other. And there is
14:41
a restrained choice Have
14:43
you I don't know if you guys have ever
14:45
been in a foreign country where you don't speak
14:47
the language, so you end up making these really
14:49
wild hand gestures that you might not ordinarily
14:52
make. People aren't even doing
14:54
that. They're just sort of speaking that native
14:56
language to each other. Yeah.
14:58
And so the idea that they have
15:00
an emotional connection is a little
15:02
bit harder I don't think it's even there
15:04
on screen. So I
15:06
really believe that as we head
15:08
into a second season, hopefully, we'll see
15:10
if Netflix I know
15:12
the Netflix money is not flowing like it
15:14
used to, and this thing is clearly very
15:16
expensive. But if we get
15:18
another season, I have to believe that they're
15:20
gonna take another pass at what some
15:22
of those relationships might be like.
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I
15:25
think that was a really good point about
15:27
the limitations then of the
15:29
emotional payoff. In the multilingual
15:31
setup.
15:32
Mhmm. And I loved the multilingual
15:34
setup. Some people are very annoyed by it. I think
15:36
it's quite realistic, quote unquote,
15:39
for a fi concept. But Yeah. Di
15:41
Chen, you seem most satisfied
15:43
with that. Okay. Well well, first of all,
15:45
as of this recording, we don't know
15:47
if there will be season two. It's possible by
15:49
the time you're listening to
15:50
this. It's like season two has been announced. But as we're
15:53
recording right now, we don't know if season
15:55
two Or it's been canceled. Or if
15:57
it's been canceled, we just don't know at at
15:59
this moment. It seems
16:01
like it might, you know,
16:03
be renewed just because the show
16:05
is from what I could tell, it's always,
16:07
like, on the top ten charts. Yeah.
16:11
So I think it it is distinctly
16:13
possible that it will get a renewal.
16:15
According to Wikipedia, the
16:18
production budget for season one
16:20
was something on the order of, like, seventy
16:22
million dollars. Sixty
16:24
or sixty two point two million
16:26
dollars. So it's like a pretty expensive
16:28
show. It's like and and it it
16:30
looks expensive.
16:32
Okay. My thoughts on eighteen ninety
16:34
nine, you know, when
16:36
I pitched this podcast to you both, I
16:38
was like, I'll be the facilitator. And
16:41
it it was gonna be listening to Joanne
16:43
Kim two incredibly
16:45
intelligent commentators talk about
16:48
this very deep show
16:50
that it is very intricate and complex. Why
16:52
is that the setup for this podcast? Because
16:55
I didn't care for this show, really
16:57
at all. I mean, this
17:00
is a show where I
17:03
felt like the
17:07
storytelling went off
17:09
the rails. Like, it went
17:11
out of control. Like, there's a
17:13
certain feeling you get when you feel like, oh,
17:15
man. Like, these show runners are,
17:17
like, in control of the storytelling.
17:20
And andor is
17:23
one such show. House of
17:25
the Dragon, in my opinion, to a lesser extent,
17:27
like some of their decisions
17:29
felt like, oh, like, it it almost feels like it's spinning
17:31
a little bit out of control with regards to all
17:33
the time jumps for me personally.
17:36
But ultimately, like, those were shows that I felt like,
17:39
oh, they accomplished what they set out to
17:41
do in those shows. Eighteen
17:43
ninety nine was a show where I
17:45
constantly felt like I don't even know hey,
17:47
I don't even know what I'm looking at. Like, I don't
17:49
even know what is happening in the
17:52
show. And It
17:54
it felt honestly very similar
17:56
to Westworld later seasons
17:58
where, like, the show
18:01
consistently saves
18:05
reveals in order to, like,
18:07
give you a little twist. And
18:09
it prefers to do the twist rather than just, like,
18:11
tell you, hey, upfront. Here's what's happening. Here here's
18:13
what we're watching upfront. And then you can,
18:15
like, go through this emotional journey with the characters
18:18
together. It doesn't do that. Instead, it would rather be like,
18:21
surprise. And what was
18:23
incredibly frustrating about the show
18:27
is Often times many episodes would end
18:29
with a massive twist and then they
18:31
don't explain what happens in the
18:33
next episode. So it'll show you
18:35
this incredible visual of,
18:37
like, oh, look at this. And then, like, I'm,
18:39
like, oh, wow. I'm in Creek. And then I gotta watch the
18:41
next episode, and then they don't explain.
18:43
Or they explained very insufficiently what
18:46
happens the next episode. And
18:48
I found that to be frustrating. All that
18:50
said. All that said.
18:52
I agree with a lot of what you said about the positive
18:54
aspects of the show. Production design
18:56
is great. Like, it's it's very steam punk.
18:58
There's very few steam punk
19:01
shows on TV right now or
19:03
on streaming right now that are, like, really
19:05
popular. And so if you wanna get your
19:07
steampunk dose, this is one of the few places
19:09
to get it. I used to do
19:11
these box office Twitter spaces with someone
19:13
named Scott Mendelson over at the wrap,
19:15
and we were talking about,
19:17
like, drastic world, all those movies, the dress school movies, they all
19:19
did really well. And it's
19:21
like, why do those movies do well even though
19:23
they're terrible? And
19:25
and the answer is, at
19:27
the end of the day, those movies offer you
19:29
something that no other movies offer you, which
19:31
is dinosaurs in the real world. Right? Like,
19:33
no other movies or to, you know,
19:36
offer that thing. And so if you want
19:38
dinosaurs and there's only one game
19:40
in town. Which is the Jurassic World
19:42
franchise. Kind of the same thing with
19:44
steampunk in eighteen and eight. Yes. There's other
19:46
steampunk stuff, but, like, this is one of the most
19:48
popular ones. you like that aesthetic, you
19:50
like that feel, you like the sci fi
19:52
puzzle box mystery stuff, there's
19:54
very few shows doing it at
19:56
this level. And so you
19:58
might enjoy eighteen ninety nine. Also,
20:00
a lot of the performances are great. Even
20:02
as I think the storytelling is, like, completely
20:05
nonsensical and devolving into nonsense,
20:07
everyone in the show is still giving it
20:09
their all. Like, I I never felt
20:12
like these people aren't even trying. Like, everyone is, like,
20:14
kicking butt with their performances. And
20:17
so it's compelling for that
20:19
reason
20:19
alone, but To me,
20:22
I did not enjoy the show particularly
20:24
through season one. So Can we have a
20:26
quick gut check with Kim?
20:29
Yes. I felt at
20:31
the end of Dark season
20:33
one. I remember the final image and I
20:35
remember thinking, I did not want
20:37
this in season two
20:39
because I can barely understand what just
20:41
happened in season 1, and I don't need
20:43
this new level of trouble in
20:45
my life. And I have a
20:47
feeling that maybe because she
20:50
and I have been on the the
20:52
full journey of dark that we are
20:54
used to some of these feelings a little
20:56
bit more And it's not just
20:58
like a trust in the final product. It's part of
21:00
that, but maybe trust that the final
21:02
product includes a journey that feels like
21:04
this. I don't
21:04
know. That might be me project What
21:06
do you think Kim? Yeah. There is
21:09
something to that that the first season of
21:11
Dark, like
21:13
the first like, this first season of eighteen
21:15
ninety nine are both,
21:18
like, with dark by the
21:20
end, you understand that they had,
21:22
like, a massive, you
21:24
know, wall sized puzzle, and
21:26
they were showing you, like, this little
21:28
itty bitty center bit of it in
21:30
season one. And so It
21:33
feels like that's happening again with eighteen
21:35
ninety nine, but in with
21:37
Dark at least along the way, you
21:39
were already really invest
21:41
stayed in just that center piece.
21:44
And, like, there were like,
21:46
you pointed out exactly, Joy, like,
21:48
there were emotional payoffs throughout
21:50
that to me I was, like, already
21:52
in on. Like, I was in on just
21:54
this kid has gone missing and I really
21:56
want him reunited with his family. And,
21:58
like, the way that that's not that's, like,
22:01
the tiniest slice of the story, whereas in eighteen ninety nine,
22:03
I'm not sure that they were as successful
22:05
about getting you to care about
22:07
all of the different personal relationships
22:10
going on. I think exactly spot on because they
22:12
weren't they were just constantly confessing
22:14
to one another, not actually
22:17
empath able to empathize and understand
22:19
one another. Right. Because
22:22
in dark I mean, first
22:24
of all, the premise is dark, is there's child
22:26
that's vanished, and everyone's trying to figure out
22:28
what's going on. That is an extremely
22:31
understandable, relatable situation.
22:33
Right? Like, you may not have had a child damage, but, like,
22:35
you've read about the news countless times, you know
22:38
maybe you know someone for which 1 happen
22:40
or
22:40
whatever. Here,
22:42
this show takes place in eighteen ninety
22:44
nine. And if the question is, where is the
22:46
steam ship and is it going to get? In
22:48
your contact? Yeah. Exact
22:49
exactly. It's just it's just inherently
22:52
less relatable of a thing. And
22:54
then, like, everyone has these, like,
22:57
fairly outlandish backstories, I have to say, like,
22:59
just, like, really out there, like, extreme
23:01
back story, the show is much
23:03
more ambitious than dark. You know, to me,
23:05
it feels like. Like,
23:07
they're trying to create new world for every one of these
23:10
1. And It's
23:13
definitely much more grand visually and
23:15
in its, like, scope. I
23:17
think it's really ambitious. It's not I don't know if anything can
23:19
be as ambitious as dark in terms of the sci fi
23:21
concept that I don't wanna even say anything about because I think
23:23
it's kind of a spoiler. But Okay.
23:26
Well It
23:26
looks like you've had something to Yeah. Go ahead, Kim.
23:28
I was just gonna say, I do think that
23:31
you're right that it's
23:33
it has parallels to Westworld a little
23:36
bit in what 1 agree with
23:38
that parallel that you mentioned about
23:41
it's it almost seems sometimes like they're more interested
23:43
in hiding the
23:45
actual story from you than
23:48
like, building a really solid puzzle
23:50
boxy mystery thing, like, at times
23:52
where, like, similar to, like, Westworld season
23:54
two or three, where you find yourself kind
23:56
of asking, like, did you
23:58
need to, like, obscure that
24:01
from me for that long? Or
24:03
were were you just trying to elicit some
24:05
sort of shock from me? When
24:07
you finally let me know what's happening. I
24:09
don't mind. Like, it I think it is
24:11
a healthy feeling for a
24:13
show runner to want to be, like, to
24:16
take the the handkerchief
24:18
or whatever, the cloth off of the table
24:20
and, like, reveal, look at
24:22
this and for, you know, to
24:24
want the viewer to be like, whoa. Amazing.
24:26
I think the problem with Westworld, and to some
24:28
degree, with eighteen ninety nine, is, like, it can't
24:31
be just that for the whole
24:33
thing. You know? Like, or it can't be, like,
24:35
eighty percent that. It needs to be,
24:37
like, ten to twenty
24:39
percent that. And the other eighty percent is, like,
24:41
making me care about all these people on
24:43
the show. But anyway, we have
24:45
so much more to discuss. So
24:47
why don't we say that that is going to
24:49
be our non spoiler
24:52
discussion about eighteen ninety nine. That was a clip from the decoding
24:54
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