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to a cast of kings a decoding

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and i'm kim renfro and i have

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gas attack me that idea that

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is in fact something that happened last

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week on the show a

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we we made a quote unquote factual

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error about the dragon riders

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michelle can you explain what happened

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yeah for same ah you can

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go ahead and same bellamy ah

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yes i inaccurately

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said that the reason why

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ignore who is

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the son of corliss malaria in ah

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is a dragon rider and his dragon to see smoke

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ah i said that was because oh they're

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like all from the blood of old valeria

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something to that effect what i meant

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was that he

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lane or valerian is a dragon

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rider not because of his valerian blood

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but because his mother is rainy star

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gary and so he has target area

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blood that enables him to

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dragon rider

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only those of target area and

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blood descent can be dragon riders

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questions we did get quite

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a bit of emails about the

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topic of incest on the shelf and

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i thought we just have a conversation

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about it right up top before we even get

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to the episode because i think

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it's very important to the episode ah

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it's like we've gotten a lot the email already

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like literally the last four hours

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as the episode aired we got several emails from people being

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like i don't understand how incest

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works the show specifically what people's

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attitudes are towards it it

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goes on one hand we know that the tiger

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and seem to have normalize it on the other hand viscera

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seems to be really against it or

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have opposition to it people

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did right in and tweet

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at me about my objection to

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the resources attitudes

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about incest last week episode

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where he with thing it doesn't make sense

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for rainier

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a to be went to his son because he's only two

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years old and

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, lot of people that that is less it objects into incest

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and more an objection to the fact that he so young

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and therefore their be many childbearing

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years that would be wasted

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with that rennie are being married

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to a child rarely gets the goal

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is to shore up the line of succession

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her marrying hurt like two year old

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half brother

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the gonna fix that problem anytime soon

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the i saw think the way that he's approaching

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it can research is approaching it feels a little

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bit naive , me there's

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no like okay hague good idea like you

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know there's no like hey auto i like we're

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has a butler i'm going to yes

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and you you know there's nothing has been as without

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ideas in the bridge bridge

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where you're at it was nothing like that he's like

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do you know he's a slice reacted

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so i still kind of have issue that all

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that said okay kim as

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far as we can understand what

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are the attitudes towards incest in west rose

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and one of the attitudes towards incest in

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the house tiger and in the show

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yeah so unimportant like start

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the point of information it to include

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is that george rr martin author of fire

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and blood a whole world of ice and fire

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entire he has said

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that target audience often lead

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within like their immediate family

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either brothers or sisters he specifically

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brings up and nephew as and example like

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wink wink john now and denarius

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at some point like that was like a big read

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why people believed that they were deathly gonna hook up

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with because georgia kind of and like i answer

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nephews of target

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in which also means uncle the me

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whatever

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the point is is that target area the

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off in marry within their own family

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to rich

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the strongest possible blood line

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of dragon riders especially after the

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duma valeria which basically

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eradicated the world of all other dragon

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writing families and so they have this like deep

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tradition and custom to

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whenever necessary or i guess whenever somebody

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wants to with

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the family it's like totally cool

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among them to have and such happening

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the rub comes when they

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arrived to west rose and westroads prior

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to the aegon the conqueror his arrival and

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his sister wives remember he married but

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not one sister he married both of his sisters

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and they conquered west or else i'm

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lester have followed the face of the said

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which is it's own religion

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it's not a religion that the target

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koreans were or and practicing it

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income for bleary eyed this is of wester us

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but basically like if you

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think about it as like the pope if like the high

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such thing as the pope it's like the pope's

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eventually made of an amendment

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to the faith of the seventh rules which are

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against incest and said well it's

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okay if it's target areas because

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they are different it's almost like they decided

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to treat them as like their own race of people

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who are some it's like targeting

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exceptionalism they are the exception

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to the rule under the faith of the seven that

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incest is not okay that

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where you get sort of like this like confusing

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attitude towards it from some people because

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the again if it's if we're using like the pope

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example it's as it's like

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you don't agree with the facts of that at

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the exception was made for target area

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like it still is like a little bit gross

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to people who are who follow the face

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of the seven and therefore have been raised with the understanding

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that you

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the only ever marry like a first cousin

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if necessary beyond that it's a big

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no no

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and so there is like there's

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a bit of conflict within at ray of light

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people who follow the faith

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i guess understanding that target area

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have their own exception to this rule but still

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may be being very uncomfortable with the idea

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and finding it

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offensive depending on the

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situation

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within the family

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which baby the and i believe me i'm sure

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i basically like west rose is

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not really in favor of incest

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like it doesn't happen

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all the time in in western culture

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anything like that now they are aware that are

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gary and sometimes have

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incest within their to preserve all bloodlines

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and they more they more like understand

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happens and like kind of accepted but it's like

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it's good for them but not for me kind of the would

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out with empire

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it is also comes from like a history of conflict

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between i like after aig on the conquerors

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rain so once we got into like more kings

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there was sometimes conflicts between nuke

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new target korean kings and faith of

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seven representatives or acceptance

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and everything and sometimes that led to like actual

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bloody wars i'm among like

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the faith of the seven faith militant

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is like a thing remember that happened and game of thrones

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that had happened prior in the past two

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and so it's almost like this or this agree

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to this the a thing

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came about as like as way to keep peace

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effectively

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but there are still some people who

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feel that

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the to like

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the outwardly disgusted by ends as your

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know it's something bad

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that the faith hands like some people

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just feel the need out of nowhere to

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be outwardly disgusted by you know who

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say work of who says they were political

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motivations okay so

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them within them tiger in family runner

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the

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apparently they're still diverted attitudes as

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we see was kinda sarah's but i'm curious like it

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seems as though it is largely

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accepted within the target

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yeah and i i would say that this

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the times where you might see

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objection to it

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within the targeting family is

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possibly coming from the knowledge that like

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the wedding brother to sister were wedding with

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father to daughter i actually don't know

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if that ever happened that they worry

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that that will like that that will

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incite another com

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flex between

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so i think sometimes it's like okay

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when can we like curb their

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the thing that we know it's controversial

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to everybody else

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then the realm so as not to disturb

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like the hard fought piece that we have

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going on at the moment

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interesting i think very little that

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is made super clear the show oh

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i'm and i and who knows if they're going to change it for the show

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but that is really good context have heading

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into an episode like this one isn't so

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any other hop on incest

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before i move on to the rest of the someone insists we're going to

10:45

cover this episode get i think we can save the rest

10:48

for are more detailed

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sat in sat suit mrs let's

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dive into season one episode four

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of how's the dragon

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king of the narrow sea let's start with overall

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thoughts on this episode can renfro what

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did you think

11:02

i really loved it i think that

11:04

this was another really good example of how

11:08

the , set in this world in both game

11:10

us around the now house of the dragon can really

11:12

excel when it's like a character drama

11:14

and when you just understand

11:17

everybody's motivations everybody's once

11:19

and means and how the

11:20

are in conflict with one another throughout the whole

11:22

episode i'm yeah i thought

11:24

it was really great would you think ah same

11:27

this episode was awesome

11:29

it had a lot of interesting

11:32

thematic elements to a awesome performances

11:35

or it's one of those of us is that you're like hey i wanna talk

11:37

about this is honestly and episode like this that's

11:39

why this podcast exists me so

11:41

we can talk about it because everyone is like

11:43

one of those buzzy episode that is like was so much

11:45

happened little talk about

11:47

it and yo hubbard so much ground

11:50

right an hour i

11:52

really loved it i thought it as is great episode

11:54

and i , those shows

11:56

really finally starting to come into it's own

11:59

ah i do that there it's not a coincidence

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that there is the smallest time jump

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between basically

12:06

between last episode in this episode

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the and

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that allows for things

12:12

like character development we can feel and understand

12:15

you know like as actions that seem directly

12:17

connected to what we just saw from the previous episodes

12:19

which you don't get when you have a three or tandem you know

12:21

just it's not really as possible so

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i don't think it's a coincidence says there

12:26

is a time job it like months right since

12:28

last episode but not not huge

12:30

yeah i would guess maybe around six

12:33

months

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yeah i can't tell someone else who knows

12:36

what babies look like in

12:38

, immediate months after their birth

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tell me that looked for me i got babies

12:42

not like fresh but it

12:44

felt so no one years old so

12:48

i think it's complicated for someone else

12:50

it look like she was in her third trimester less of a science

12:52

like i'm about to give birth any day the

12:54

for the problem is there is a

12:57

there is a floor

12:59

on how young babies can be in shows

13:02

right trends they're not actually

13:04

the actors are not actually having the baby so they're actually

13:06

recruiting actor babies from other people

13:08

way to spoil magic the city

13:11

of it's as you're telling me this actress

13:13

didn't arrive and so some usually like

13:15

when a character has a baby they pull

13:17

a baby out from under the whatever is

13:21

a from under the hood medical

13:23

seat is i'm not saying anything or body parts of

13:27

there it is the baby's like at least a week

13:29

so if not months old raise

13:31

the baby they pull out right but it is like or

13:34

had cia or land saddam

13:36

for lying animatronic you

13:38

know i'm so

13:40

anyway so

13:43

basically i don't trust baby okay right

13:45

v shows and films is what i'm trying to say this it's

13:47

a baby

13:48

actor cannot be real relied upon

13:50

for our timeline but yeah

13:51

read about

13:54

how dare you suggest it might be relied

13:56

upon coming from an era of an performance

13:58

from this baby action

13:59

so

14:02

the episode begins

14:04

storm's end

14:06

there is storm then given for storms

14:08

and is not too far away from king's

14:10

landing but storm and is a

14:12

the the region of west or oh that's

14:14

the it's the castle know the region

14:17

westroads warehouse for at the end result

14:19

in and though it's almost like on this tour

14:21

of trying to find suitors and

14:23

rain euro has wound up being hosted by

14:25

the brassy ends in order to

14:28

order to ever all the nearby l

14:30

or bachelors com and vie

14:33

for her hand

14:35

and as you pointed

14:37

out in our twitter space that we do every sunday night

14:40

on twitter be sure to follow both are you uncover

14:42

spaces

14:44

there's a lot of a aladdin energy in

14:47

this episode yes totally

14:49

run euro has a lot of princess jasmine

14:51

energy and the moon bay

14:54

yes he's looking at looking at line of suitors

14:57

and she's like this guy's too old and in this

15:00

this young adorable oh

15:02

by the the old get older guys it on

15:04

darien their it

15:05

yeah i believe she's i don't dare in

15:07

which of kind the body of like chris and coal

15:09

sitting there watching her we've talked

15:11

in the past about how kristen call was knighted

15:14

by

15:15

dart a dot dairy and so i don't know

15:17

if this is possibly the exact same on bird is interesting

15:20

that they like brought the dunder and back and for

15:22

for this little spat but yeah then

15:25

then adorable other adorable child comes

15:27

sort of oh lovely speech about how is going to take

15:29

care of everything there was

15:31

some debate online about who this

15:33

child this the

15:36

cases some people

15:38

speculated that he might be

15:41

a benji caught blackwood the

15:44

bay summer or you know others

15:46

said that it might not be buddy cop i could because of

15:48

the age and because of what we're point

15:50

in time i were in as

15:52

of this morning there is confirmation of

15:54

who's a child is right as

15:57

child report

15:57

the lives shannon miller i guess

15:59

the

16:00

last h b o direct

16:02

the way to confirm like the character name which was

16:04

super smart also apparently

16:06

same as willem blackwood which as far

16:08

as i know that is not a name that was

16:10

in any of the books so i think that they've

16:12

sort of the show has sort of made him like an amalgamation

16:15

of different blackwood's but in fire

16:17

and blood basically this whole scene

16:20

comes from just like one sentence one short

16:22

sentence and fire and blood which says when ranier

16:24

have visited the trident in one twelve

16:26

a see the sons of lord bracken

16:28

and lord blackwood fought a duel

16:31

over her and so the younger guy

16:33

the board is the son of lord black

16:35

white or

16:36

now we know will on blackwood and the older

16:39

kinda like teenage maybe

16:41

early twentieth frat boy

16:42

look in western the lord ah

16:45

is

16:46

the fun of lord bracket and in the books actually

16:49

board bracket when that duel

16:51

we find out eventually man however

16:54

the show again

16:55

like made this little tweak and had lord

16:57

liquid come out victorious but

17:00

yeah i loved that i love this moment not

17:02

only for the way that it adapted from the but

17:04

i've been at the really good example of like like

17:07

she's sort of their the stand and for loss of innocence

17:09

among young men it's like

17:11

if this whole epa is about rainier and alison

17:14

having to contend with like

17:16

being pushed into womanhood or

17:18

whatever

17:18

this seems to be the first time

17:20

that little lord blackwood has killed

17:23

anybody it's you can sort of see him like about

17:25

to vomit

17:25

about an hour you seem about

17:28

to throw up and as like i wish we'd seen what

17:30

happened out because it's it's it's ,

17:32

amazing moments to like

17:34

a character moment that he clearly like god

17:36

or out over his skis kill him this guy guy

17:39

prepared for it emotionally or physically for it and

17:41

yeah and he looks like he's about vomit you don't see

17:44

it because the way but to me

17:46

this scene gave me vibes of the season

17:48

one king joffrey how

17:51

could absorb a game of thrones i

17:53

don't have you remember there was like was guy who was singing the

17:55

song and he's like

17:57

okay your meta like you sang a song that was offensive

17:59

to me the to cut off your hands

18:01

for your time

18:02

then like he's like oh i guess i gotta

18:05

i need my hands to work so it's gonna be tongue

18:07

and then like there's a camera shot where they're

18:09

you're like walking pulling away

18:11

from while like this incredibly violent act

18:13

is occurring out yeah the background

18:16

yeah i think the framing is almost like identical

18:19

i haven't added go back and check the bike it's

18:21

a it's a thing of like the extreme

18:24

violence is normalized in the society

18:26

i think gray like when people when they're breaking

18:28

out in this

18:32

the rule is not my girl sir

18:34

chris is like always gets you out of your like the secret service

18:37

with president or so it's like oh we just like

18:39

walking away because this is just something that i guess

18:41

happens a lot so

18:44

, i thought as a nice touch to show like

18:46

oh yeah i guess some people did you stool

18:48

each other and like decent ball each

18:50

other you know yeah and

18:52

it's in western back then

18:54

i mean and part of me thinks i mean it's also

18:56

not

18:57

it seems to me to be a related also it's website

18:59

about like the violence that we saw in the tourney right

19:01

which is like logically it does seem

19:03

to make a lot of sense for these younger and more

19:05

to be like murdering each other's

19:08

son but i think

19:09

that what these first four episodes

19:11

are doing are taking us from

19:13

peace time everything's fine in the round

19:16

to like everything's getting more and more splintered

19:18

a little bit more facts as and the like this

19:20

is just one more example that we see of this

19:22

like random bloody

19:25

violent outbursts among among

19:27

young lords who i've never encountered

19:30

war before right i

19:32

would rather detail of like the production design

19:34

here with like the leaves kind

19:36

of like all over the floor blowing around it gives

19:38

you give you fall impressions

19:40

and as we know like in westroads seasons

19:43

are unpredictable but like the change

19:45

from something like summer and fall

19:47

would be pretty significant for what that means for

19:49

the realm and sort of like shoring

19:51

up now for for whenever

19:53

the winter is going to come

19:55

indeed i see themselves back to king's

19:57

landing and

19:59

see his demons dragon fly overhead

20:02

you most gets hurt by it but she's

20:04

also kind of in all of it like she's a

20:06

she likes dame is looking for does return or

20:08

before move on to what happens next any other

20:10

thoughts on this whole sequence of events ah

20:16

i mean you totally nailed herb

20:18

you brought up again the jasmine and aladdin

20:21

the times which is just like rainier it

20:23

clearly like wanting to find a suitor

20:26

that she's excited by and i don't think it's

20:28

a coincidence that like she exits the

20:30

scene which is clearly like but

20:32

it doesn't lie and and then

20:34

that's all i grew legs starry eyed

20:36

when she knows that dame and as coming

20:38

back sir king's landing

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run euro returns to king's landing

22:45

and

22:47

there is a

22:49

the throne room seen i feel like

22:51

to her there's and

22:53

dame and have a confrontation

22:56

and we we get the sense that this is again fairly

23:00

if somewhat shortly after the events of

23:02

that we saw last episode where damon wins

23:04

this war in the step son's room with

23:06

his battle the series of bells the stuff sense

23:10

and drop some mean stats about

23:12

the people that have been left behind to warn

23:14

others away two

23:17

thousand ray or two thousand two thousand

23:19

that were like it sounds like they were like

23:22

the

23:23

i think he to i think that he hammered

23:25

them to a stake in the theory that crab theater

23:28

had but just like i'm i imagine like

23:30

a row

23:32

slowly dying people

23:35

across like a low tide bay

23:37

they know they which is a pretty gnarly visual

23:40

yeah or it must've taken a lot of work to

23:43

hammer those two thousand people in is all i could think

23:45

about like wow he must be exhausted a

23:47

she when damon comes into the throne

23:50

room i just love that seen you know when he

23:52

walked straight up to the king and one of the guards

23:54

like puts a sword up his chest and he like

23:56

walks right into it a

23:58

that seen as in as trailer and i just think it's like such

24:00

a bad ass like power moved to be like go

24:03

, you know try me and see what happens like

24:06

and so i

24:08

love that everything about the scene was

24:10

pretty awesome the idea of like there's

24:12

all this drama about

24:15

whether demons can actually respect king viscera

24:17

said all i'm he does bend the knee

24:19

he does like give up his crown it's very like

24:22

actually moving you know because you never see these

24:24

characters really get along then

24:27

again you know another is my wish there had been such

24:29

massive time jobs as like we were going to see it would

24:31

have met even more it was very powerful wouldn't even

24:33

more if we saw a little bit more the

24:35

relationship developed in the past and then of course

24:37

you see run euro shooting all these interesting

24:40

looks

24:41

them and because

24:43

there's a thing

24:43

the aim is one of the most effective people in the

24:46

show he's one of the most the

24:48

action pro active action oriented

24:50

get things done people

24:52

in the show whatever his weaknesses

24:55

are he at least know how to

24:57

get stuff done and or as rainier

25:00

is one of those people as well or he wants to be one

25:02

of those people like you can you can see why they're be such

25:04

aberration they're so a lot

25:06

of great dynamic scoring on the seen anything

25:08

else you wanted to mention can

25:09

i just love the the

25:11

added tension of the fact that like she's not

25:14

supposed to be there like

25:16

farting the serious knows you know has

25:18

like two months left of this tourists of the idea

25:20

that like the three of

25:22

them in that room are engaged in this like

25:24

little day and

25:25

the right were like ring

25:26

it doesn't really want her dad to see the she had

25:28

she hides out of the back but then she's trying to

25:30

catch damon's i and she just walked right past

25:32

or so then she follows dame and all the way up to

25:35

the front of the room and i think it's just like i

25:37

thought it totally nailed that dynamic of

25:39

like younger teens person

25:41

who's like oh like my cool uncle the back he

25:44

always like if the presence in like see

25:46

this is a guy who understands me in

25:48

a way that my father doesn't always seem

25:50

to and like either that that was really

25:52

beautifully staged and direct

25:54

and

25:55

there's a celebration and missile a courtyard

25:58

with the gods would in

26:00

you notice as detail about the

26:02

snack table right him

26:04

the love lemon cakes just

26:06

like sansa yeah like they

26:08

open with her are taking just

26:10

a lemon off the top of a lemon cake and

26:12

eating it which i think is like authored interesting

26:15

bit

26:15

like hurt her taking the most

26:18

like tarts and like concentrated

26:20

flavor of lemon to like i don't need

26:23

the whole cake i'm just going eat the lemons and when i

26:24

screenshot it it i saw that than like eight caped

26:27

that all don't have lemons on top of them

26:29

so i'm like a seat have been sitting over here

26:32

eating slice of lemon

26:34

sugar bit by bit brought

26:37

seinfeld

26:39

occasionally but not like all the way through

26:41

there is an episode where they tried

26:43

to open a restaurant the only served the

26:45

tops of muffins because the

26:48

top of the muffins the best parts for it rang

26:51

and it was called top of the muffin to you and

26:55

is going to be it be it gonna be awesome you know

26:59

though i think west

27:01

rose needs a top of the lemon cake

27:03

few restaurants is kind of what i'm gathering

27:06

from this

27:07

the manager for candid lemon peel

27:09

everly know

27:11

how lemon kicks work him so you're you

27:13

tell me you tell me all the i'll bake some

27:15

far as

27:17

i love that the the other that such a like

27:19

teenagers the part of like the family party

27:22

move of like lingering by the snack

27:24

table a little bit to put off the time that you

27:26

like have to go do the church as you're

27:29

you're so there

27:31

is to chat there are some conversation

27:33

between allison to and running or

27:35

about what

27:38

their place in life is you know else

27:40

is like hey your dad really

27:42

that a lotta work to try to make this a suitor

27:44

thing work for you you're kind of just kissing all over it

27:47

and you know he

27:49

is the kind of i think

27:51

it was you might have mentioned this last night or someone else was

27:53

as but it's like the kind of like in

27:55

some ways like want to swap places not like we're

27:58

near was sleep with adapted like the like

28:00

like like allison what would love to be

28:02

kind of in her situation where she gets

28:04

to choose who says with and

28:07

running or would probably love to be

28:09

more respected the queen out

28:12

of those you wanna be like the ruler and not

28:14

just queen to viscera

28:16

skyn totally

28:19

i think about the with of go ahead

28:21

the god you

28:21

i would say it's also

28:23

one a specific moment that i love

28:25

in this right before veneer an hour center like

28:28

kind of having a tommy moments again like

28:30

we're seeing them sort of feel like their friends

28:32

is when they're like of awkward

28:34

silence between the group and allison

28:36

tries to fill added by being like oh perhaps

28:39

we can take damon to see the tapestries and like

28:41

the way that the stairs and dame and just like

28:44

laugh at her face about that and have this

28:46

sort of

28:46

like brotherly moment of like oh like

28:48

silly little

28:50

queen like thinking that we want

28:52

like those formalities i think is also like

28:55

it's an important it's important important moment

28:57

for us to see it the way that allah centers

29:00

treated

29:01

like among the court and in front of this

29:03

areas and i think that she would gladly

29:05

trade that to be were near a who's who from her

29:07

point of view has a little bit more freedom and can

29:10

be like assertive and

29:12

be listen

29:12

to yeah that space

29:16

damon and when you have a chat about things

29:18

and about what's , meaning of marriages

29:20

in this world's by i

29:23

think it's dame and this is marriage is only a political

29:26

arrangement and co and that's kind of

29:28

one of the key elements said dr

29:31

this whole episode and one other

29:33

ways in which a show like this can be a

29:35

great show is by illustrating

29:38

harsh truths about this

29:40

fantasy world that theoretically is

29:42

based off of our medieval

29:44

ages

29:46

the

29:47

you can help us to understand how

29:49

we got to where we are in present a society

29:51

right in some ways and the idea of marriage

29:53

being a political arrangement is

29:56

a potent one by bigger anything you

29:58

want to mention about this conversation f

29:59

i just once again i

30:02

think that the writers are doing something really smart

30:04

with damon and that like

30:06

eva eva bad dude like

30:08

we've seen that he makes violent

30:11

and harsh and cruel decision sometimes

30:14

but he also seems to be the one who frequently

30:16

says the truth about

30:18

a situation i'm and i think

30:20

that that's just a gotten like a

30:22

great consistency to have like one of your quote

30:24

unquote like worst characters also sometimes

30:27

been the most honest and observant about

30:29

the world around them and

30:31

he doesn't again when again when tells

30:33

read your at that what happened to the

30:35

mother was a tragedy but like the world

30:37

this is tragic end if you live in

30:39

fear than you're gonna miss out on like

30:41

the actual good part of life which is like

30:45

i can't really argue with that damon even though

30:47

you sort of sucks also another

30:49

small moment in this is like the way that he offers

30:52

the wine glass to her it's

30:54

just like

30:55

one more example of the way that he

30:57

seems very aware of like

31:01

his power over her or like his his

31:04

the authority and any sort of situation and

31:06

it's like she's trying to like make them feel

31:08

like peers by being like oh yeah i hear have like

31:10

a sip of my wine like were just chit chatting were

31:12

speaking in high valerian we have like our own little

31:14

bond and then as we see learn the episode he

31:17

knows how to like

31:18

that further and further

31:22

yeah kind of this way this way of understanding

31:25

what she is looking for which insisted be treated

31:27

like one of the adults that's really what's right

31:29

and she wants autonomy and she wants

31:32

of the rights or any male would have in her situation

31:34

is is what she's looking for and i think he

31:36

understands that he was soccer and that way

31:39

there is

31:42

some conversation of a small council about

31:45

corliss valerian who's didn't

31:47

show up notably to

31:49

this whole meet great and

31:53

they clearly have some tension because

31:56

the researchers rejected his offer

31:58

to

31:59

for him to wet his daughter and

32:03

they're gonna have to figure out a way to get

32:05

through that obviously and they're like well

32:07

hey we need another

32:10

marriage the unification

32:13

to another sort of packed help

32:16

us get to the situation m

32:18

it's like know like wonder who the packed my be between

32:21

tribe but tribe

32:22

at least appreciate that rainier it is sitting

32:24

the table now which is on

32:26

my laundry serving drinks that's right

32:29

a everyone still looks at her awkwardly but at least

32:31

as awkwardly as seceded they're

32:33

not like holding a pitcher of wine

32:35

in the background while everyone's talking about her

32:39

we get a couple glimpses of allison in

32:41

this episode and i think like at this point

32:43

we can now kennedy talk about

32:46

the three different sex

32:49

scenes that we haven't really like because

32:51

they they all kind of progress from this point yes

32:54

and each scene is has different

32:56

characters in it is seen mean has

32:58

a different part dynamic and mean something different he to the characters

33:01

in a relief swiss let's start with allison

33:04

because we've me else and she's

33:06

not pregnant anymore so she had that the child

33:08

and ah you see

33:11

the the baby

33:13

and apparently it's a girl the right

33:15

the this of her second child at the girl named

33:17

helene and they didn't

33:18

fighters me as a coat that knock over the episode

33:21

or i'd so

33:23

i just know that a

33:26

ah and them at all since ads

33:29

at all later point go to sleep as knock on door

33:31

at it's like the king has requested your president's like they

33:33

they sleep apart most

33:35

the time is what it seems like that

33:38

none of room in the kings bedroom

33:40

with all that valerian models space

33:43

, and the thing is there after

33:45

years right like it feels like

33:48

it's gotta be impractical like dinner mean

33:50

at some point the kings gonna be like hey the

33:53

thing is in the way when i get up and wanna go to

33:55

the bathroom or like leave the room i

33:57

don't know why he lisa the thing

33:59

that's a good question i'm not share plug

34:02

on display in the throne room you know like killing

34:04

now and what you big to get out the door it's like we still

34:07

have an ikea couch inside of your room and then

34:09

you can never take that couch outside again

34:11

no true true , anyway

34:15

the it we should also when others never seen were like

34:17

i guess a you see and in the sexy

34:20

you see more of the kings decaying

34:22

body and like ah allison

34:24

like ten of is like cleaning his

34:28

i guess is opening sore is

34:30

open sores and and so you

34:32

get a sense that he is like there is some

34:34

care there there is some concern like it's

34:36

not like completely like she has

34:38

no affection for a metal plate

34:41

clearly not like happy with the arrangement

34:43

and can't voice that that's my

34:45

that

34:46

yeah i mean allison throughout

34:48

this whole episode we get the sense that she

34:50

is like very committed to do

34:52

her duty your as the queen

34:54

of the realm and she knows what that means

34:56

which is like supporting her husband preserving

35:00

his dignity like that's almost what i read

35:02

when she likes sends the servants out as like she

35:04

can see his discomfort or being seen

35:06

so like exposed and she

35:08

just decides like

35:09

i'll just take it from here and like he

35:12

interpret that as like are she loved me so much

35:14

whereas like i interpreted that is like though she just

35:16

like she's an empathetic person

35:19

and she wanted to make you

35:20

feel better in that moment

35:21

there's a very sweet wholesome

35:23

, to do and his response

35:26

to that is great i'm gonna wake you up

35:28

in the middle and night and some

35:29

the to my room so that you can like

35:32

lay on my bed

35:34

the comfortable while i had

35:36

sex with you

35:38

yeah pretty

35:41

, and also like his his body

35:43

is like continued to decay like during the sex

35:45

and you see like all these yeah open

35:47

sores all over his body so ah

35:50

my senses he is not heading towards heading

35:53

peaceful painless

35:55

death just based on to you know

35:58

how a what how is it he's physically doing

36:02

yeah but it but it kind of

36:04

vividly illustrated

36:06

the life the else and has been living for

36:09

all this time which is that yes he

36:11

as a loyal servant the king the

36:14

needs to do things that aren't really

36:16

not enjoyable to her and shouldn't be expected of anyone

36:19

you know frame so

36:20

and not like the contrast like the

36:23

fact that we see her like holding

36:25

her crying baby and were near a just like walked

36:27

right past the room like you can hear

36:29

this baby crying but like she's

36:31

not going to help allison with this baby

36:33

like she gets go often do

36:35

her

36:36

adventure jasmine out of the castle

36:38

in disguise like gambit

36:40

whereas allison does like entirely like

36:43

chained to that castle in that room

36:45

where baby crying and she's having deeply

36:48

uncomfortable sacks and like

36:50

the seems really sad eyes i really feel

36:52

for

36:52

allison throughout this whole episode yeah

36:56

so renew euro

36:59

goes back to room and i want

37:01

to point out that she has great rapport

37:03

with the circus the call this whole time it's like oh

37:05

those who should really be together you know sit

37:07

overnight cel be the greatest outcome

37:10

is if if she wound up with sir chris the goal

37:12

i mean sure he is sworn to celibacy

37:15

as a member of what

37:17

is it the lacking card yeah he's

37:20

not was the and it would be a massive scandal

37:22

if a ,

37:24

over the years position where someone

37:26

from the kings guard guard

37:29

would be really bad for the kingdom overall because

37:32

he was the just

37:34

up and a lot of norms and the people

37:36

be upset about

37:38

there be unrest but

37:42

that's what should happen you notice that the

37:44

outcome but we all want that

37:46

the like the

37:47

the here i think in this episode or really

37:49

like almost prince charming character

37:52

riot

37:53

here's the shiny bites

37:55

always very it deferential to hurry

37:58

very protective of her constant

37:59

like making sure that she's okay

38:01

the and applied yeah no dollar like

38:03

eighteen year old rainier as gonna be like hey the

38:06

gonna like this one

38:07

yeah

38:09

i'm he he he understands her even more than

38:12

than damon does argue approaches has been

38:14

lot more time together but anyone stress so

38:17

she gets see bag

38:20

with some clothes and a message or

38:22

that we later learned from damon with

38:24

, to sneak out through this passage way we

38:27

see that massive dragon

38:29

school that we saw in i think episode one

38:31

one one in season

38:33

express it and she's dressed like a commoner

38:36

and they basically got on

38:38

these adventures in king's landing they go to

38:41

see things lending it's a it's guess it's a

38:44

look at night fair going on a kings let him

38:47

do you think i'm this is like a special

38:49

events camera or is it

38:51

the this is what kings landing is like every

38:53

night literally it's the the

38:55

culture is that rich

38:56

i remember what kings landing is like

38:59

most nights or at least certain neighborhoods

39:01

or kings landing right like they specific

39:03

the time square of or kings

39:05

landing it really is yeah knowing see

39:07

a show and then see another show have

39:09

a different elk i think

39:11

a little bit you know

39:13

the run amok

39:14

yeah i have to say i really

39:16

enjoyed all the details of

39:19

everything else going on going king's landing like these

39:21

frames are really dense there's like

39:23

somebody walking somebody walking in his someone else

39:26

who looks like they're passed out and getting robbed and

39:28

someone's eating fire and like all this

39:30

stuff is happening like all around them

39:32

and in ways that make it feel like really

39:35

no you can imagine as somebody who spent all

39:37

their days in the castle like going

39:39

out with you be like sensory overload to

39:42

the what's all this stuff happened but am

39:44

i really loved all the detail of that

39:46

entire sequence so

39:47

anything

39:50

else you know mention about kings landing before

39:52

we get to the scene i mean there is

39:54

a scene where they go watch a little play

39:57

with puppets and actors dress

39:59

up and

39:59

rainy or sees who

40:02

you know what

40:03

the city folk really think of her ismail

40:05

areas which distress like rousing

40:08

the crowd in opposite directions it was gonna

40:10

go with is

40:12

, simulate flanders or near

40:15

near that is liable if it's and writings

40:18

you're gonna oh yeah

40:20

i like valley pretty hilarious yeah but the on

40:22

the detail i would add real fast is that

40:24

i love that the secret passageway that

40:27

dame and shows are all of the secret

40:29

passageway were built by a previous king make

40:31

or the cruel who we've heard damon

40:33

compared to in the past and make or specifically

40:36

like had all of the builders

40:38

create these like secret tunnels passageway fake

40:40

doors and then

40:42

the old every single person who worked on the project

40:44

so that's why like she seemed

40:46

so excited and thrilled

40:47

hear about this to the flake it's like being

40:49

led an on like and the family secret

40:52

family

40:54

an offer we already kind

40:56

of know what the people

40:59

who are being rolled with think of the fact

41:01

that rainier i might be heir to the throne

41:04

it's been made clear to us in a number of ways

41:07

what hasn't they

41:09

made clear is

41:10

her learning

41:12

what they actually think through unassailable

41:14

sources which is like actually being amongst them right

41:17

like total at this is like a big

41:19

a but it doesn't really seem like a wakeup call she's

41:21

not like whoa like

41:24

look at these ah these people don't

41:26

respect me she doesn't have that realization yet

41:28

maybe he will later because she's like he doesn't matter what

41:30

they think it's gonna be fine you know like and

41:33

so i do wonder like

41:35

how long her educational

41:37

beyond this topic and how it's all

41:40

gonna play out they don't know it's gonna

41:42

play out because i've read books that was

41:44

we will say

41:47

it looks like a quick break and will be right back

41:49

with more discussion of us drugs

41:53

so then damon takes her to a

41:55

pleasure house and

41:59

the way this whole sequence a shot is

42:01

like pretty cool it's like

42:03

very dark like very moody

42:05

atmospheric lading in the editing

42:07

get slow and weird

42:11

i say the twitter space i commented on how

42:14

somebody editing with him in her got a little weird

42:17

i don't have you caught it but basically like sometimes

42:19

he's like next year and then like next thing you know his face

42:21

to face of their and in his next or again it's like

42:24

a little some continuity says and continuity

42:26

couldn't tell who's intentional or not the

42:28

and tell if they're trying to like play with your perception

42:30

of reality or not but anyway

42:34

and then they

42:36

start making out

42:37

which is

42:40

shocking moments in a race and it's

42:43

it's not completely unanticipated because he's been

42:45

making googly eyes animal episode but like

42:47

they start making out and and

42:50

then something happens that is like really

42:53

unclear in the context of the show but

42:55

in the post show breakdown

42:57

i think it's muggle supports like that explains

43:00

that

43:00

dame and has impotence and that

43:03

that is why you cannot complete the act or

43:06

, like get the act go and

43:08

yes six six

43:11

, interests and

43:13

the that

43:15

was really and quickly watching show it's like

43:17

the kind of unclear why damon

43:20

besides to abandon her

43:22

a like why he riots in the middle of it people's

43:25

pets of great speculations during the twitter space like

43:27

maybe it's when radio with into

43:29

him and that's why he felt like oh i'm no longer

43:31

in control or that he

43:34

himself realize he had guilt around perhaps

43:36

betting his the much

43:38

younger nice but it's like know it it

43:41

it doesn't maybe some of that played into

43:43

the impotence but it was like the impotence

43:45

that was primarily the the factor and

43:49

it's have to convey impotence

43:52

if you're not showing any thing and is no dialogue

43:54

and right putting another right so it's like the

43:56

tough creative brief but

43:59

they probably

43:59

needed a little bit more than what they showed

44:02

in in in the episode is kind

44:04

of my assessment

44:05

yeah i mean i i

44:07

saw the me i

44:09

was i was reading the whole scene which

44:12

muggles passionate i think also said in the

44:14

behind the scenes thing as like i'm

44:17

were watching

44:18

the form of abuse unfold ray

44:20

were like damon who

44:23

there's a power imbalance here he significantly

44:25

older than her am i think at this

44:27

point she supposed to be about eighteen

44:29

and he's in his like early thirties she's

44:33

you know her family member of an authority

44:35

figure in her life and all this stuff but also like

44:40

okay

44:41

bringing her out of the castle he

44:43

really has put her at risk and he's

44:45

the best thing that she has for protection so even

44:48

if she was uncomfortable at a point she can't really leave

44:50

and then it's like he brings her

44:53

he's kind of like opening her eyes to

44:55

sexual exploration which like

44:57

three eighteen year old girls can be

44:59

sexually as board of as much as they want like she

45:01

seems really intrigued by what's going on in the pleasure

45:04

house i'm he also seems

45:06

to bring her to like a back room that i think

45:08

is like the taboo room

45:11

you know like in the front room

45:13

we saw other kind of like hive what looked like

45:15

high born ladies to sort of watching

45:17

people sexy dancing it's almost like the since

45:20

i'm a hundred club not that i'm like super

45:22

well versed will strip clubs

45:25

the for and ah ok

45:28

it's like he brought her back to back room where there like guys

45:30

make it out with guys and like threesomes

45:32

and orgies happening so it's almost like he like

45:35

she got her into the space where like the most

45:37

risque things are happening which like therefore

45:39

i guess incest is also chill in this back

45:41

room like no one really seem surprised to

45:43

see them there but yeah

45:46

when he pulled back it was like to

45:48

me that was such a like an

45:50

abuser thing to do have like oh as soon

45:52

as you gotten comfortable and into this i'm

45:54

gonna

45:54

make you feel like you're doing something

45:57

wrong or i'm gonna withhold my affection

45:59

from you

45:59

the sedan because like the

46:02

events right like he wants

46:03

the hot and cold with her

46:05

right away with stage

46:07

where he's trying to kiss him and he gonna pulls

46:09

back very much gave me the vibes

46:11

that you're describing yeah i'm

46:13

bird and and anything hurt that sought

46:16

god my we might as well

46:18

yeah he leaves her and she's kind of like

46:20

in a state of undress basically and

46:23

ah

46:24

and she's drunk he's been giving her what i

46:26

assume is like a stronger liquor then she the

46:28

issue like when she takes a swig out of his little

46:31

things you panic costs and like we've seen her drink

46:33

nine she knows what wind taste like

46:35

so i assume that something stronger so he's been like

46:37

playing or with alcohol getting her little like

46:40

loose and uncomfortable and then to like to leave

46:42

her in that vulnerable state where

46:44

she's like afraid to the point that she's like calling

46:46

out his name

46:47

the really awful and like i

46:50

guess

46:51

now there's no excuse for it

46:52

i don't think impotence is the best

46:55

narrative reason

46:56

that would have happened i'm not it was more

46:58

of a a conscious i'm

47:00

tactic on his behalf yeah

47:02

and it's again legacy thought because

47:05

they don't

47:06

there's no character that says what happened you know

47:08

he's not like this never happens like you just the same

47:11

thing like that and so says they want

47:13

they were was it to not

47:16

have any words like it's that

47:18

there is a concurrent harper gray

47:20

in the there is as

47:23

a result of very little dialogue

47:25

happening it does leave

47:27

the scene really open to interpretation is

47:29

the how played out so and

47:31

the anyone who was watching which

47:34

like we get this report it's

47:36

understand that the little bird who runs

47:38

off and like

47:39

it's a little little a street urchin that

47:41

a you know the he sees

47:43

everything that's going on yeah it's it's unclear what

47:46

to what extent he witnessed anything he

47:48

was outside of

47:50

whatever so it's a it's a lot of word of mouth

47:53

which again plays right into fired

47:55

blood the book which is supposed to be this

47:57

like ah

47:59

there

47:59

the objective historical account with sometimes

48:02

conflicting reports of what went on and

48:04

so this was just like i thought oh the really smart

48:06

way to film the scene and show like all

48:09

of the ways that people might have thought that

48:11

they knew what happened but really nobody

48:13

knows only rainier of and dame

48:15

and know at the end of the day and they both fudge

48:17

their stories moon

48:20

is this sequence of events depicted

48:22

in the books at all kim or

48:25

yeah so it's actually there's like a

48:27

much more kind of elaborate explanation

48:29

of stuff between them going on but

48:31

it does explicitly say that dame

48:34

and return to king's landing and that she

48:36

began spending a lot of time with run here

48:38

i like it starts with like oh they were going

48:40

dragon writing together and meeting

48:42

lunch together and just like generally bonding

48:44

and then it gets to a point where ah

48:47

it says that there are like conflicting reports but

48:49

one of those reports of that he started taking

48:51

her to taking pleasure house to like instructor

48:53

on the way of seduction and

48:56

then they like did everything

48:58

but

48:59

he envies for like her maid

49:01

the hood is still know

49:04

is still preserved but that they were like having

49:06

sexual release

49:07

i'm and that they

49:09

were if that it was discovered by someone

49:12

like found them in bed together they both

49:14

insisted that nothing happened but the sarah's

49:16

sent damon

49:17

anyways as been they legs he

49:19

seems to be

49:20

during up some shit in king's landing and we can't

49:23

have that

49:23

interesting interesting so it's

49:26

i'm it's and it's first thing

49:28

that lake house show like this needs to

49:31

compress time to a kind man describing

49:33

takes place over like days weeks months

49:35

whereas like one night of actions and

49:37

actions think it's immoral

49:39

dramatically impactful that it's when they you know yeah

49:42

it does he goes back to reporters sir christened

49:44

supercomputers like what she didn't leave

49:46

the chorus spray and he

49:49

goes inside to be like what's going on and on

49:51

and kind of

49:54

this is really intense on

49:56

gun some action tonight so

49:59

one way or the other even then

50:01

there's this scene

50:03

where they

50:05

basically slowly decide to

50:08

have sex with each other

50:10

the end

50:12

it's really interesting the way that it's filmed because

50:15

reversal is by far

50:17

the most joyful of all that the three

50:19

sex scenes that are in the upset read a fake

50:21

yeah

50:22

really like tender

50:24

played it almost seems sweet

50:27

yeah i'm an

50:29

at the same time there is a pardon a mega play like

50:31

she's technically his employer

50:33

rights not rights think the epa

50:35

the episode may takes

50:37

great pains to show that he is also a willing

50:40

participant in this like at any point

50:42

he probably could have been like hey

50:45

i'm out of your good bye amount of here and

50:47

there's actually this moment where i think he's like at the threshold

50:49

the of the per room her bedroom

50:52

and then he like besides like proceed

50:54

yeah we start like slowly

50:57

addressing at the same time that

51:00

it it does seem like it is consensual

51:02

at the same time there is a par dynamic at play and

51:04

those things can coexist and and are compatible

51:06

so yeah i was

51:08

it was really uncomfortable when she

51:11

was having to like

51:12

coerce him into the room and kinda like

51:14

messing with his helmet and she kind of goes

51:16

he just goes completely like stis

51:19

for a while while she's like taking off his

51:21

grave which are his like little forearm

51:24

armor pieces and like she kisses

51:26

him and he just

51:27

like no response and i was like ah

51:29

this is like the still yucky

51:31

right like yeah he's sworn to do basically

51:34

whatever she says he's her protector but he also

51:36

with like sense of honor and duty and

51:38

yeah i've you can sort of see the moment

51:41

he he like has to take a moment to like

51:43

put down the white cloak which is like the symbol

51:46

of his virtue and his honor and

51:48

set that aside and then she like sweeps

51:50

her up in a cast and i'm like okay like he

51:52

is into the as he was just

51:55

he needed a moment to kind of like make the decision

51:58

and the and the other like a really

51:59

the shot of them like both leasing

52:02

their boots are like a time their boots and they both

52:04

can have the same face of like how all this a

52:06

little awkward that we have to take our super boots

52:08

off

52:09

the slowly but like it does add

52:11

to the there's so much time

52:13

clearly that passes between that kiss

52:15

them actually be getting dot sex that like he

52:17

seems to be fully consensual with it at that point

52:21

yeah i think that it it so important to

52:23

me that rain euro went from

52:25

a situation where she

52:28

thought something really exciting and

52:30

like empowering was happening to her with

52:32

damon and then was left very like

52:34

humiliated and vulnerable

52:36

and upset and then like went and decided

52:39

to like take charge of things

52:41

and take charge of the way that she was going to

52:43

have

52:43

her first sexual encounter and

52:46

, did it with a man who see clearly very much

52:48

trust and who she knows generally

52:50

has her best interests at heart

52:52

and so so but

52:55

at the same thought you know lot of the great as i

52:57

move it or not it's not abusing that

52:59

yeah using her season and that that's

53:02

that's what i think is great about this was like none of these

53:05

sexual encounters is quote unquote queen in

53:07

any way like better life is always some

53:09

kind of imbalance in the

53:11

encounter and all marriages

53:13

political base and ,

53:15

some ways all sexes political in the show

53:17

so

53:18

especially if you're a woman because like she

53:20

makes a point over and over again that like young men

53:22

are allowed to do

53:23

yeah whatever they please but or

53:25

her in for allison's it's as there's so

53:28

many layers too

53:30

it it also striking just how much

53:34

stuff he has on like secrets

53:36

to have on you know like they were actually

53:39

removing his layers of stuff and it's like

53:41

dude i bet m is sad

53:43

that the or have showers and less risk as i bet it's pretty

53:45

ripe under their i'm just putting

53:48

that out there but yet they have like kinds

53:50

of stuff that like use like wow

53:52

like must be huge family as the put

53:54

on every day

53:57

standard all out outside of her room

53:59

presumably like all my

54:00

yeah i

54:03

think it's also like lot

54:06

of questions around for me i'm i'm fearing

54:08

for sir chris his life during this entire

54:11

encounter right and

54:13

i'm afraid for sir crispin because crispin

54:16

if it ever discovered that does happen he

54:18

is probably gonna lose his job in

54:20

the kings guard right because aren't kings guard suppose be

54:22

celibate or

54:23

they are and it's

54:25

just it's interesting because within

54:29

within what we've seen and game of thrones like

54:31

the kings guard or not

54:33

donner like very few of them

54:35

seem that actually adhere to the

54:38

rules and

54:38

mack this is obviously like jamie

54:40

lancaster is a member of the kings guard

54:42

in the opening up with ever seen ever stepped

54:45

out of a he told the line sexually all mind

54:47

, don't , he

54:49

certainly didn't do anything wrong doubling the number

54:52

of

54:52

they're all the time and father

54:54

bastards and

54:56

even like marin trans is like is

54:59

like has his kings guard like beat

55:01

the crap out of sansa like that's not an

55:03

honorable and virtuous me do

55:06

that if idea that the

55:08

that the white cloak and supposed to be like

55:10

this i think that at this point and house

55:12

the dragon in the prequels setting it still

55:14

does it still a

55:17

position that carries a lot of honor and has not

55:19

been publicly sullied in the way that

55:20

the feel it later

55:22

and game at round so yes i'll

55:24

all and he he's aware of that fear

55:26

you know like he kind of like looks back that

55:28

door a few times to make sure like know

55:31

and about a walk in right now is

55:34

that were definitely nice treat

55:36

nice treat storm

55:38

indeed and also like

55:40

what if ranieri gets pregnant

55:42

i mean my interpretation of

55:44

like what why was guessing it would go would be

55:47

she gets pregnant and then like has to marry

55:49

damon to like cover it up

55:51

to cover it up in some way you know but i

55:54

don't think that's what's gonna happen they so what happens of inverse episode

55:56

will see of so

55:58

there is a scene with

56:00

sorry

56:01

yeah he's back to be and clearly they've

56:03

they've like i think we've broken up her

56:06

name in a broken up and not

56:08

only that bird auto apparently

56:10

clock that he was probably not super happy with

56:13

damon in the seen a dragon so

56:15

from a couple of years ago and

56:17

she is now one of his sources was with her

56:19

official name in the in the shona

56:21

though she's a she's like known

56:23

as the white worm ah

56:25

but her tight i she's master of whispers

56:28

so in the same way that various was the

56:30

master of whispers in game

56:32

of thrones like we don't see her sitting on the small

56:34

council the way the various did occasionally and game of

56:36

thrones but she's she's serving that same role

56:38

where she's

56:39

presumably an official position master

56:41

whispers

56:43

or like not the court metal

56:46

no of the small council

56:47

always has a masseur whispers but the thing

56:49

is like court jester is like a visit

56:51

court jester and there's a court master whispers

56:54

the yeah yeah yeah yeah

56:56

so she has we see the the

56:58

problem little birds and game of thrones

57:01

are is the name for like the small children basically

57:03

that she has to

57:04

by and and report back and so she's the one

57:06

who sent word to auto

57:08

that the thing had happened which again

57:11

that little bird wasn't in the room

57:13

like one of that what what has that's

57:15

what makes a kind of this what makes a so like

57:17

interesting and kind of confusing is like to see

57:20

you what we see him see

57:22

is only that see like gaming walks past

57:24

them and then she walks thousand and that's it that's that's all we

57:27

really see this that street urgency

57:30

the she communicates that too

57:32

the white worm then like what

57:35

is see tell auto we don't know like

57:38

the snow auto like they

57:40

were seen together a war that they were having sex

57:42

or whatever and then this this auto

57:46

you know it all passing on information from the white wormed

57:48

which again was already would have been inaccurate or

57:51

with he kind of upping it himself

57:53

like it's unclear bryant who is

57:55

actually doing what unfortunately read the rise

57:58

of

57:58

adam this

57:59

the magnifier also kind of absolves

58:02

they may have a tiny bit of steaming

58:04

here because like she seemed surprised

58:07

to see her and to like find himself and that

58:09

bad so it's like okay did he really just go and

58:11

get so drunk that

58:13

he can't remember anything

58:15

did he not anticipate than anybody would be

58:17

watching them but a kind of seems like he did

58:20

know that i'm a

58:22

lot emerging as which again right

58:24

in line with the books of like

58:25

in a bunch of he said she said

58:27

they said everywhere so

58:30

yeah

58:31

the king of osiris growth spine this

58:33

episode he's actually making some big

58:35

moves this episode in a way that i was a

58:37

as a fan of like this is him at his most

58:39

admirable and effective

58:42

and he actually like seems to recognize

58:44

what is going on around him

58:47

because sir auto

58:49

hightower goes to him in the morning and is like

58:51

a i have some very this company news

58:54

and this long and painful conversation and

58:56

steve authors actually making like reasonable debate

58:59

is like okay will say what it is and he's like

59:01

what have to say anything yeah yeah say

59:03

it's pretty freaking important that you you know if i guess

59:06

these are important questions and then he

59:08

know auto high taxes they were coupling you

59:10

know and canvassers gets really upset

59:15

and he kind of kill the messenger you know which

59:17

is a the i'm not a fan of because like maybe maybe

59:19

auto hightower was giving him information that was good

59:21

but what the

59:23

sarah's then says

59:26

to renew or later is like it doesn't

59:28

matter she she

59:30

says like you don't you don't i'm getting your members

59:32

i'm sorry miss like it does matter does matter what your version

59:35

pistorius a the perception

59:37

is already there like that and then all that matters like

59:40

people are out there talking about it like it's true

59:42

and that's all that matters and it's like damn ,

59:44

is the first smart thing that kingfisher as a said

59:46

like an entire show may be true true

59:49

he does kind of have this conversation with

59:51

rainier and he shows have a dagger and it's so

59:53

important to saw the vices viable of us are

59:56

so what did you what

59:58

did you make of the dagger and that whole scene

59:59

in him kind of telling her about her responsible

1:00:02

i mean i thought it was a little

1:00:04

bit hanim i was like oh doing

1:00:06

like the ring and lord

1:00:08

of the rig the black new with or

1:00:10

the secret message on the blade the whole time

1:00:12

that only fire can reveal man

1:00:15

you know okay cool i'm

1:00:17

i guess i did like the the

1:00:20

added history that like not only was that

1:00:22

blade the aegon the

1:00:24

conqueror but he mentions a nice

1:00:26

before or a in our before him a

1:00:29

in our is the target area and leader

1:00:31

who there was a child we've talked about this

1:00:33

i think before named deniz the dreamer

1:00:35

who has a prophetic dragon dream

1:00:38

that something that the duma valeria was going

1:00:40

to happen and a nervous the

1:00:42

one who like believed her and got the target

1:00:44

areas out of their which is the reason why they are

1:00:46

the last living like direct bloodline

1:00:48

of dragon riders pretty cool though

1:00:51

like fun little like lords had been

1:00:52

but

1:00:54

yeah i think that they just really want to hammer home

1:00:56

that like everything that we're seeing is still

1:00:59

connected to avenge really

1:01:01

jon snow into neris like

1:01:03

the fact that the name drop of the prince that was promised

1:01:07

like , the phrase that came up so often and

1:01:09

game of thrones and and a thong of ice and fire and

1:01:12

bolstered all these fan theories about okay who is

1:01:14

it and then in game of thrones we learn that like

1:01:16

oh that word could have been missing miss translated

1:01:19

it could mean princess and for like

1:01:21

the ideas that john and danny combined

1:01:24

able to defeat the white walkers and

1:01:26

unite the seven kingdoms or whatever so

1:01:29

the more little more

1:01:31

sprinkle last

1:01:33

golf for us in this episode

1:01:35

i don't know about you but when my

1:01:38

wife and wife watch any tv show or

1:01:41

or film whenever the the title

1:01:43

of the thing is spoken we always do a ron

1:01:45

howard from breast development they were like hey

1:01:47

that's the title of the think they

1:01:50

, only drop a song of ice and fire

1:01:52

in this episode the also dropped house

1:01:54

of the dragon and as upset as yeah

1:01:56

they did yeah there's did drop in the that really

1:01:58

sets the title of is it would matter

1:01:59

that it like that the title the so anyway

1:02:02

is a day he has a conversation

1:02:05

with their where he impressed upon her like

1:02:07

how challenging the thing is that

1:02:09

she's she's doing isn't

1:02:12

and mckenna have this like negotiation or

1:02:16

okay i'm going to do the thing you say sexy greys

1:02:19

i , to marry lane or is that right and

1:02:21

out with i was like stunned by i'm like wow

1:02:23

i guess but she's like you have to do your

1:02:25

duty which is get auto hightower the heck

1:02:27

out of there now auto hightower as game

1:02:30

is he wants to be close to the throne and close the acts

1:02:32

as a power and i guess by

1:02:35

sharing this news with the king he

1:02:37

wants to take renew our offer

1:02:39

board right he whammy like he

1:02:42

wants looking to be sick be like oh it's a bad idea

1:02:44

for any or to be queen now

1:02:48

gone is going to be king and egg

1:02:50

on his out of hightower his grandson

1:02:52

right yes so

1:02:54

that would be what he would prefer yeah bed

1:02:58

and we see him mention his brother again

1:03:01

a board hightower who we saw

1:03:03

in the hunting episode and board

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hightower certainly seems to have a

1:03:08

massive agenda like he seems

1:03:10

he seems almost like

1:03:12

confident that the

1:03:14

hightower bloodline as going to get

1:03:16

on the throne here via

1:03:19

allison's and so like there

1:03:21

are times where times like i'm can't quite tell

1:03:23

if auto himself really

1:03:25

want says or if he is like acting

1:03:28

out of some moon of duty to his family and

1:03:30

his brother and like doing his job

1:03:32

as the as the messenger here but

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he clearly

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overstock

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and in baby on may be underestimated how

1:03:40

much the sarah's would be able to see through the fact that

1:03:42

there's a reason why this message

1:03:44

why this room

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or has gotten the legs at a dead

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indeed well we will talk a little more

1:03:50

about that the first we're gonna take a quick break for a sponsors

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will be right back and talk about the final

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scenes in this episode of us the drug

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the researchers realizes with

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and he calls auto hightower

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into the small council chamber love

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the way the scene is stage

1:04:07

block late it's like very dark

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sad brooding and it

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starts with him at opposite ends of the table and then like he's

1:04:14

slowly kind of approaches him as the saying goes

1:04:16

on walking

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it's just like a

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most classic like we start

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emotionally distant villas be confrontation

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at the end i like that there

1:04:27

, he talks about like five

1:04:30

days as being the group when he is obviously

1:04:32

canvassers rid of this whole speech he wants to assess

1:04:36

what did you make of this five days conversation

1:04:39

the like

1:04:41

you give a sense of what he was trying to convey

1:04:43

and for those who aren't as familiar with the lore

1:04:46

can you articulate for us

1:04:48

i mean i think it was again and

1:04:50

interesting like retelling of

1:04:53

history right because the ferriss the

1:04:55

ferriss recounting

1:04:58

all the political machinations that happened

1:05:00

around his own father's death his

1:05:02

father bale bale on who

1:05:04

died

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quote a burst value which we've

1:05:07

talked about before i think

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the point that basically a likely

1:05:10

appendicitis just like randomly

1:05:12

killed someone

1:05:15

yeah i like the idea that on

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reputable west earth of dragons

1:05:20

and they also have a vestigial body

1:05:22

parts that can get infected is hop

1:05:25

or or or explode and

1:05:27

months luke

1:05:30

where it were so what's more alike than we are different

1:05:33

you know i travel west or a see people is kind

1:05:35

of where i'm thinking so

1:05:37

the adversary colonel and going through

1:05:39

this like five days timeline i think is a good

1:05:41

example of how like history on paper

1:05:43

can feel one way like if you just

1:05:46

you know order

1:05:47

of person died so than this other person had

1:05:49

to take over their position whatever but the saracens

1:05:51

liked him viewing it with all the meaning

1:05:54

and intention and like manipulation

1:05:56

of being like oh you must have

1:05:57

those thrilled about like that happen

1:05:59

and because it immediately elevated

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your status in the kingdom

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and a but i think it's it

1:06:08

is unclear right as you said to what extent

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auto hightower actually is driven by

1:06:13

does blind ambition and to what extent he actually

1:06:15

is doing something that he believes is

1:06:17

best for the crown and or

1:06:20

the the

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and also that applies to like

1:06:25

when he was doing this episode you know like

1:06:28

he's clearly making a strategic move by telling

1:06:30

the kings this information

1:06:34

is it a good idea and and what was actually told

1:06:36

him we don't actually know in owners

1:06:38

but but the most fascinating part

1:06:41

to me that the information

1:06:43

was hold him was wrought with like factually

1:06:46

incorrect i mean they were making out and stuff

1:06:48

in of damon in the could the the prince's wear makeup

1:06:50

it was factually wrong what was told

1:06:52

to him fray

1:06:55

i'm trying to figure like doesn't make it more interesting

1:06:57

less interesting you know but but it's like have

1:06:59

like

1:07:00

the was operating under bad information reaches

1:07:03

the feed the king better from a suburb like on some level

1:07:05

it doesn't matter whether the information as good or bad right

1:07:07

like he's telling this really upsetting

1:07:09

information to try to provoke an action

1:07:11

from the king and hopefully not

1:07:14

get his ambitions realized or

1:07:16

are recognized yeah and

1:07:18

, ultimately like what and of sinking him in

1:07:20

the end so so the confrontation

1:07:23

and he basically virus him as

1:07:25

a he like removes the pin which

1:07:27

is really symbolic any other

1:07:29

thoughts of this other thoughts confrontation can

1:07:32

i'm i just think it's really interesting

1:07:34

to watch

1:07:36

the sarah's and auto have their

1:07:38

little showdown as opposed to what

1:07:40

we saw with very near and allison's because

1:07:42

it's basically the same that

1:07:45

like the same size of family

1:07:46

confronted each other over

1:07:48

this rumor but it lays

1:07:50

out so much more interestingly between

1:07:53

rainier an elephant because they have a bond

1:07:55

that like as much as i believe that auto

1:07:57

into serious have been like

1:08:00

good coworkers that whole time or like good

1:08:02

bye the manager

1:08:04

the dynamic you don't really get the sense

1:08:07

that they're like

1:08:08

drinking buddies that actually like a lot

1:08:10

of times the other outside of the high council

1:08:12

earth outside

1:08:12

the small council meetings

1:08:16

yeah we actually sorry

1:08:20

we right over that scene where allison demeanor

1:08:22

have the confrontation and she kind of

1:08:25

run your i think plays a pretty smartly i

1:08:27

you know i think she knows that she only has one option

1:08:30

which is too in

1:08:32

i everything

1:08:33

the

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because if her maiden hood is compromised

1:08:37

like says

1:08:39

then be in a bad situation

1:08:42

the will be like a big scandal she might not

1:08:44

be air anymore right is is my sense

1:08:46

magazine this yesterday

1:08:49

and technically which he saying is true

1:08:52

the

1:08:52

the spirit of what you saying is not true because

1:08:54

he obviously

1:08:56

i got you

1:08:57

she told the line up to the

1:08:59

point that she then finally said dame and

1:09:02

never laid a hand

1:09:02

on me or like meme and memory touched me and

1:09:05

i was like well that's not true yeah

1:09:07

there were hands

1:09:09

there was touching on and

1:09:11

i i i also like again love the tension

1:09:13

coming into that scene where like her

1:09:15

and kristin clearly i think that they're about to get

1:09:17

called out

1:09:18

and then like a full i

1:09:20

think that renier enter that conversation in the gods

1:09:22

were thinking that she was about was about lie about what

1:09:24

happened with sir

1:09:25

then but instead she like oh we're

1:09:27

actually even further back in my

1:09:30

night of exploits and i have to come up with

1:09:32

us a story

1:09:33

damon like i don't think that she was expecting

1:09:35

that so i do think

1:09:36

i'm glad they didn't go the full on

1:09:38

sitcom route of her being like

1:09:41

having oh yeah being livid the

1:09:43

thinking they're talking about different things and she's like

1:09:45

work like you know i really

1:09:47

just wanted to spend time with sir chris that and she's

1:09:49

like the like wasn't talking about sir

1:09:51

chris that you know like i'm glad that the nap and

1:09:53

that would be totally know lame but

1:09:56

totally and honestly a parts of there are parts

1:09:58

of their confrontation i would

1:09:59

the vibes of like dude came

1:10:02

back from his bachelor party and his life

1:10:03

about

1:10:05

not touching a stripper like oh reaches

1:10:07

over should look like i just went to the brothel

1:10:10

like nothing happened

1:10:12

it feels to me like there's still have

1:10:15

you know and earlier episodes and and

1:10:17

millie alcorcon emily kerry who play younger in your

1:10:19

knowledge and have talked about like how there are

1:10:21

a slight romantic undertones to some of

1:10:23

their interactions and this felt like a time to me

1:10:25

were like they were having a conversation

1:10:28

as like queen and princess

1:10:30

about like customs and expectations

1:10:32

and also having a conversation about like

1:10:35

almost a jealousy and

1:10:37

like the the the

1:10:40

way that they are both able to have access

1:10:42

to relationships outside of one another

1:10:44

not like analysis case he doesn't have

1:10:46

any one right now except the ferris and we've seen

1:10:48

how miserable that kind of makes her

1:10:52

and rainier oh

1:10:53

the old like she can't have a relationship with alice

1:10:55

and in the same way anymore because she's not married

1:10:58

to her father and so like rainier has been seeking

1:11:00

enjoyment elsewhere and then i think

1:11:03

you

1:11:03

the her feel badly about that in this

1:11:05

conversation without and yeah basically

1:11:07

the subtext to all the also renew

1:11:09

or conversations of like why

1:11:13

can't we be better friends why can't we be you

1:11:15

know closer mother in in any number

1:11:17

of ways and it's because of all the stuff that we're actually

1:11:19

talking about the surface but deep down they're

1:11:21

like other things that are animating all that were

1:11:24

discussing so totally ah

1:11:26

yep it's really that's really sad

1:11:28

but i think it is

1:11:31

good that else and tells really are assessing kind

1:11:33

of prepare herself right for this

1:11:36

yeah out of it as a whole thing i wrote

1:11:39

else and those right by bring your own episodes and

1:11:41

a total a seat and then she really

1:11:43

advocate for her and private of osiris to

1:11:45

the might look we all know damon

1:11:47

is a manipulative little liar

1:11:50

man like we don't have any

1:11:52

evidence that rainier is also

1:11:54

that way and so like really stands

1:11:56

up for her in that regard

1:11:58

i think what i love about the episode is

1:12:00

everyone is going out on

1:12:02

a limb

1:12:04

in a big way in this episode right like

1:12:07

the daemon go without

1:12:09

only him when he like makes a pass at rainier

1:12:11

ah and rainier

1:12:13

oh is going out to live when she kind of like

1:12:16

that makes a pass it's a christian and like

1:12:18

you know the situation obviously we've already

1:12:20

talked about the power dynamic there

1:12:23

and then auto is going

1:12:25

out a limb by telling the king this

1:12:28

information that maybe he's he like his life

1:12:30

will probably be better he didn't say anything yeah

1:12:32

and then rainier is

1:12:34

going out of a limb by denying everything

1:12:37

especially with the already surplus or kristin

1:12:39

and that already is so many scandal but hopefully

1:12:41

no one's ever gonna find out about the aisle

1:12:43

and so it's just like everyone is kind of like going

1:12:45

out and a way that could really damage

1:12:47

them in that region ratcheted

1:12:49

up attention for me watching out like what

1:12:51

is gonna happen if literally

1:12:54

any of these perceptions are discovered

1:12:57

right and to

1:12:59

some extent that autos ambition

1:13:01

is discovered and that's that's primarily it but

1:13:03

there is one other become for days but happens episode

1:13:06

which is the one between king for saracens

1:13:08

and damon

1:13:11

damon's dragged into the courtroom they

1:13:13

have as big argument about it and

1:13:17

problem things to note about the see first of

1:13:19

all you get to see the throne room from

1:13:21

below like you get to see a rise

1:13:24

out of focus what the third rooms ceiling

1:13:26

slice roof looks like i'm like man that looks pretty nice

1:13:28

you don't usually see from that angle trail prop

1:13:30

probably because as have been built is my guess

1:13:32

is like a cg thing i'm a

1:13:34

bit but yeah but

1:13:37

, also important the

1:13:39

regard to prospective dame and doesn't

1:13:41

deny anything right logan

1:13:43

and i thought there was an interesting choice because he could have

1:13:46

any damon's denying at emory near as the dying

1:13:49

then he they probably

1:13:52

could convince the king that it was complete bullshit like

1:13:54

i think that would have been a possibility yeah

1:13:56

but i think dame and realizes that it

1:13:59

is more avenue

1:13:59

this to him

1:14:01

strategically if the king believes that something

1:14:04

did happen that's my

1:14:06

yes i don't what was your assessment of the

1:14:08

demons viscera comforting

1:14:10

yeah i mean i really

1:14:12

it was out when dame and finally

1:14:14

says like well just wed her

1:14:16

to me i was like ah the

1:14:18

gambit late dame

1:14:21

and might have this whole time known that if he

1:14:23

just gets three near enough of them vulnerable

1:14:26

and like public position with him

1:14:28

and

1:14:29

sexual relations or hands the

1:14:32

relations that it might bus birch

1:14:34

her virtue to the point that the only

1:14:36

way to preserve that and to maintain

1:14:39

target area and rule would be to just marry them

1:14:41

and be like own others and we all

1:14:43

through the subbed not we always we sometimes

1:14:45

do this it's fine just marry her

1:14:47

to me the

1:14:50

thing that i don't i don't believe that it

1:14:52

was like straight up a plane

1:14:54

for the iron throne i think that the

1:14:56

serious just like

1:14:57

that damon canst not

1:15:00

push the saracens buttons and

1:15:02

it was like as soon as he got back

1:15:04

did the nice ceremony

1:15:06

of like getting back in the kings good graces he

1:15:08

was just onto the next scheme of how

1:15:10

to like disrupt the thera says life

1:15:12

and get his attention and sort of like a sandwich

1:15:14

himself as like

1:15:15

chaotic dominant person

1:15:17

and king's landing but it backfired

1:15:19

i'm probably cause he was so hung over

1:15:22

that he couldn't even like some in a

1:15:24

lot of words was i would like that's real

1:15:26

when the third like him right in i think

1:15:29

like of the kidney and i was like ah

1:15:31

like if you've been drinking

1:15:33

for like twenty four hours

1:15:35

then you just get

1:15:36

like a kick to the kidney i

1:15:38

wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't know personally can but

1:15:41

you know

1:15:42

you know i i'd you run id

1:15:44

i've never been to a strip club i've never drink

1:15:46

for twenty for supper making

1:15:49

you know it's the respectable part of part strip club upfront

1:15:52

is what is imagined it would be of

1:15:54

rather drinking happens is

1:15:56

both it's with now though

1:16:00

he's just like they

1:16:04

mary and that they like bring

1:16:07

the full sprint he says the worth house of the dragon

1:16:09

at some point where adam got like got full strength

1:16:11

of the whole separate rouses dry you know you

1:16:13

the as like as breed to it's former

1:16:15

glory bring a house the dragged into something along

1:16:17

those lines so

1:16:20

and the is i think you're right

1:16:23

that he didn't try

1:16:25

to seduce run euro with the intention of

1:16:27

some kind of iron throne aim or anything like that

1:16:30

by i think

1:16:32

that in the moment and

1:16:34

maybe you're right that it is like he just like pushing the buttons

1:16:36

and like he had nothing strategic in in

1:16:39

mind there by i

1:16:41

do think it is kind of like to his advantage

1:16:45

if

1:16:46

the sarah's believes that he and rainy or i

1:16:48

have been intimate like yeah that is i think

1:16:50

benefits damon if that's

1:16:53

the case so he's like i'm not gonna deny it

1:16:55

because it doesn't make any sense to do that some and

1:16:57

that's what i would

1:16:59

do if i was an incestuous treacherous

1:17:03

on , current bad a psychopath

1:17:05

yeah i mean not

1:17:07

that i am to some badgering in

1:17:10

in the same way the cube knows what's your personal

1:17:12

life as what i imagine what a person

1:17:14

in that situation would be like susan

1:17:17

final sequence a

1:17:20

very the question of hey

1:17:22

the renew or get pregnant when she

1:17:24

slept with sir crispin and i was curious like is

1:17:26

that gonna become apply wealth nope

1:17:28

they they're going to nip that situation

1:17:31

the bud a grandmaster brings

1:17:33

her this drinking this like a like prepared

1:17:35

myself now there's a name for this drink

1:17:37

it is beverage in western rec him

1:17:40

if known as moons he sometimes

1:17:42

tansy t also but like moon

1:17:45

he is the most common phrase

1:17:47

for it and yeah it's it's pretty

1:17:49

widely known especially among people and like

1:17:52

who what like the sex workers basically

1:17:54

have to drink and all the time so they're not just

1:17:56

constantly getting

1:17:57

pregnant cause i guess as far as we know condom

1:18:00

no one invented like a sheepskin

1:18:02

them we are pugs and westroads

1:18:04

but no one think we are hotter and

1:18:06

we have planned be but we have no condoms

1:18:09

yellow if if you're keeping track of reproductive

1:18:11

medicine in west or us and

1:18:13

dog breed advances for

1:18:16

this is the first to see things

1:18:18

that things know everyone is tracking listening to this podcast

1:18:20

so exactly

1:18:21

yeah moon he does work

1:18:24

i'm it's actually seems to be like a combination

1:18:26

of plan b and an actual abortion

1:18:28

pill could plan b's in our

1:18:30

world the events ah what

1:18:33

he doesn't i'm terminate

1:18:35

a pregnancy at prevent the pregnancy from

1:18:37

ever happening if you take it within a certain amount of time

1:18:39

after having unprotected sex i'm

1:18:42

moon t like does both like it will

1:18:44

both prevent pregnancy from happening

1:18:46

or if you're in the early stages of a pregnancy

1:18:49

it will induce

1:18:50

bors and basically

1:18:52

so yeah the fact that the grandmaster

1:18:55

brings that and says that it's from the king okay

1:18:58

if we taken at face value

1:19:00

the ferris is basically like

1:19:03

what

1:19:05

there's a there's a phrase for it it's like he's

1:19:07

answering his

1:19:09

ducks or something i don't getting

1:19:11

all your ducks in a row

1:19:13

i guess are soaring up his

1:19:15

i'm there

1:19:20

is a duck related saying you're to you're reaching for

1:19:22

his for his hoping whatever sangha the got all your ducks

1:19:24

in a row tickets coming home to roost

1:19:27

circling the wagons

1:19:29

all

1:19:31

of the above i don't know it's like he's

1:19:33

it's like his answer

1:19:34

policy judgment

1:19:36

rainier i was actually lying

1:19:38

to him

1:19:40

though and you're sure and you sure the idiom as do

1:19:42

with ducks now i'm not modify

1:19:45

we can move on he noted the get let's explore

1:19:47

this earth here's your popular doc

1:19:50

idioms okay i'm

1:19:52

like water off a duck's back a

1:19:55

, be a dead duck a

1:19:57

have one ducks in a row to take something

1:20:00

the duck to water to pour water and a duck's back

1:20:02

to be happy fucking clever

1:20:06

no

1:20:08

it's none of those suck now none of those okay

1:20:11

now i'm sorry i'll think

1:20:13

of it than three that later something yeah whatever

1:20:15

point in order to get you really get like fifty tweets with

1:20:17

whatever nebula you please give me all the duck

1:20:19

related and non doc related idioms that

1:20:21

might that might

1:20:23

encapsulate the idea that it's like

1:20:25

his insurance policy of like

1:20:27

just in case she was lying to me i'm

1:20:29

gonna have the mr bring her that

1:20:31

the moon

1:20:32

but i don't entirely trust

1:20:35

grandmasters within was rose i'm

1:20:38

a lot of

1:20:39

the great may have is always been reliable

1:20:41

is that we now

1:20:42

like pie sell in game of

1:20:44

thrones was a notorious for just like

1:20:46

swapping allegiances or like

1:20:49

promising one thing to one person he also

1:20:51

like the masters also seemed have access

1:20:53

to sort of like a little bit of a spy network

1:20:55

depending on their position so like i

1:20:58

don't entirely trust that this definitely came

1:21:00

from the king so then it's like okay who else could have come

1:21:02

from maybe alice and again

1:21:04

also it's like she may be was still dabbling

1:21:07

what rainier had told her but that

1:21:09

seems kind of unlikely of unlikely also like

1:21:12

is there any chance that kristin call himself

1:21:14

like an audience

1:21:17

with the grand may serve something or

1:21:19

also kind of seems unlikely to happen

1:21:23

i don't know or maybe i

1:21:26

don't doubt maybe it was just a ferris and we're just

1:21:28

supposed to believe that he doesn't set it's a sign

1:21:30

that he hasn't fully trust

1:21:32

rainier i even at the end of all of their

1:21:34

airing of grievances that is the outcomes

1:21:36

razor burn i agree could be any

1:21:38

number of things could , have been out

1:21:41

elses would be the other strong contender

1:21:43

for it i do think the episode ends in an interesting

1:21:45

way where is he looses looking at it

1:21:47

and then it cuts before you see whether she

1:21:49

drinks are not so

1:21:52

the guess we're gonna find out to sea dragon or not ah

1:21:55

hopefully next a ghetto episode of the show

1:21:59

right

1:22:00

i think that is the episode any other thoughts can

1:22:02

renfrew on this week's episode of the show

1:22:05

really that's again how much i really loved

1:22:07

it at we also didn't really talk very much about the

1:22:09

fact that claire kilner

1:22:12

directed at episode first woman directed

1:22:14

episode of house of the dragon so far

1:22:16

and i for i think that it showed that

1:22:18

you

1:22:19

we saw and understood all the nuances

1:22:22

and all the power dynamics are happening between

1:22:24

these i'm younger women

1:22:26

and the various men in their lives and

1:22:28

i just really appreciated the approach that they took

1:22:30

so what could have been a like this

1:22:32

there's a sequence of yes

1:22:34

a sexual relations happening

1:22:37

i thought that they really nailed it

1:22:40

yeah and certainly i think game of thrones you

1:22:42

know in it's they had some issues with his depiction

1:22:44

of how consensual

1:22:47

things were and so on and i think that was way

1:22:50

less of an issue with this episode like you really understood

1:22:52

by the dynamics were upset okay

1:22:55

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