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Kings. An unofficial recap podcast about

1:01

the HBO original series House

1:04

of The Dragon. I am David

1:06

Chen, and I have not read fire and blood. The book

1:08

on which House of The Dragon is based.

1:10

And I am Kim Renfro, and I have

1:12

read fire and blood, the book upon which House of

1:14

The Dragon is based.

1:16

Welcome

1:16

to the podcast. On today's episode

1:18

of cast to Kings, we're gonna

1:20

be covering season one episode nine of the show.

1:22

The Peppa Ultimate episode of

1:24

the first season. The episode is entitled

1:27

The Green Council. It's directed by Clear

1:29

kiln are written by Sarah Hess, written

1:31

for the screen by Sarah. We're written

1:33

for television, I think, is what they say in the Yeah.

1:35

Yeah. Yeah. On the credits. But

1:37

we will spoil everything through season one episode

1:39

nine. We will not be discussing anything from future

1:41

weeks episodes that includes anything for the books

1:43

or the next time on preview.

1:46

You can find more episodes of this podcast at a cast

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Before we get into today's episode,

2:00

there's a bunch of little announcements I wanna

2:02

make. First of all,

2:05

Typically, we record this podcast

2:07

early Monday morning. And

2:10

by that time, The episode has

2:12

had a ton of time to marinate, mostly

2:15

in Kim Renfro's head because she's the one

2:17

that has all the information that we desire.

2:21

and partially in my head as well. And so

2:25

what what emerges is what I to

2:27

be a relatively polished recap

2:29

of the episode. Now some

2:33

people might scoff at that and say, that's your definition

2:35

of Paulie Davidson for me. But

2:37

for me, it is. For me, that's what it is. We

2:39

are not recording on Monday morning this week. We are

2:42

actually due to scheduling reasons we're recording on Sunday

2:44

night. So right after the episode is

2:46

aired, So if things are a little

2:48

bit more scrappy

2:50

-- adrenaline fueled. -- adrenaline

2:52

fueled, if they're a little bit more gradually a little

2:54

bit rough around the edges. That's why we

2:57

are not recording as our usual schedule this

2:59

week. So that's so just just letting

3:01

you know if it feels if the energy is different, week.

3:03

That's why. Okay.

3:06

A couple of other things I wanted to mention.

3:09

One is that I

3:11

wanted to reiterate what I said last

3:13

week about this

3:15

podcast and what our current plans are,

3:18

which is that Our current plan for Cascade's

3:20

Podcast is for the feed to go relatively

3:23

dormant until the next season

3:25

of how the dragon comes out. but we will

3:27

be recording intermittent bonus episode

3:29

updates. So be sure to keep subscribed

3:31

whenever there's like a big announcement. I'll try to hop

3:33

on the mic with Kim, and we'll talk about it and put it on on

3:35

a caskings podcast. a podcast

3:37

feed. So just as FYI,

3:40

we also are planning to do

3:43

for the main feed I mean, we've been

3:45

doing bonus episodes for the decoding t v dot

3:47

com feed this whole time. But for the main

3:49

feed, we also plan to have at least

3:51

one postmortem episode

3:54

after season one episode ten. So

3:56

that's something you can look forward to and

3:59

and be ready for on your podcast

4:01

feed is after our recap of season

4:03

one episode ten. There's gonna be at least one

4:05

additional episode with me and Kim where

4:07

we kind of talk about the season read

4:09

your emails at caskings at gmail dot com

4:11

and so on. So feel free

4:13

to write in and, you know, we'll respond to

4:16

a lot of people's thoughts. And and, you know, A

4:18

lot of writing and other things will come out in the

4:20

wake of the finale, a lot of think pieces.

4:22

Mhmm. So we'll try to talk about those kinds of

4:24

things in the post mortem

4:26

that happens at the after season

4:28

one is over. So look forward to that.

4:31

I got a DM.

4:33

from a listener this week

4:36

named Barbara. Barbara writes

4:38

in Hi,

4:41

David. I really enjoy listening to a cast

4:43

of kings. Side note.

4:45

Me too. I enjoy the podcast as well. Okay.

4:47

Going back to Barbara. Really like how

4:49

you structured it, and I'm wondering if you know of

4:51

something similar for the Lord of the Ring show.

4:53

I like having a host who's familiar with the

4:55

lore of the series and has read the books and a

4:57

host who has not read the source material. Anyway,

4:59

if you see this message, please let me know.

5:01

End quote. So Barbara

5:03

is pointing out something really

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astute, which is that I am terrible

5:07

at marketing my own podcast apparently.

5:10

No. Because because, literally, that

5:13

podcast that Barbara is talking about

5:15

exists. It is on

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the, you know, Castle Kings is a decoding

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TV podcast. If you're paid number to

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decoding TV, you get a bunch of

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podcast benefits for different podcasts. And one of

5:25

those podcasts is the main decoding T. V.

5:27

flagship I guess, we are covering Lord of the

5:29

Rings, the Rings of Power with Don Marshall

5:31

who is a book expert. And

5:34

apparently, people have been able to get through a cast of

5:36

kings and not know that. So that that's my bad.

5:39

But go to podcast dot decoding

5:41

TV dot com. And

5:43

you will see the decoding TV podcast,

5:45

which is currently covering multiple shows, including

5:47

the rings of power with a Lord of the Rings expert.

5:49

So I told Barbara this

5:51

is VIDM and she was very excited about it. But

5:53

if you want to hear a

5:55

similar dynamic to me and

5:57

Kim, in terms of a book reader

5:59

versus nonbook reader, check out podcast

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dot d coding TV dot com. We just

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finished recapping the

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And it was explosive. It

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So See what you did. Check it out.

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Podcast dot tickling TV dot com. Okay. Finally,

6:17

there was a couple of things that happened

6:19

last week. In last week's episode

6:21

of the show, that

6:23

I wanted to follow-up on. Right? So

6:26

obviously, you should assume we're spoiling at this point

6:28

through the season one episode nine. We

6:30

did get a few emails from folks

6:33

saying that, you

6:36

know, I complained somewhat

6:38

heavily and you joined me a little bit,

6:40

Kim. And in

6:42

talking about how, wow, kind of a big

6:44

shakespeare, you know, like a a

6:46

huge misunderstanding to hinge major

6:48

events on. Right? Yeah. To

6:51

hinge at at least the events of this

6:53

episode on. Right? It's hard to say that Allison

6:55

misunderstood what Vocera was saying.

6:57

Vocera was talking about egg on the

6:59

conker. She was not he was not talking about

7:02

Allison's son, egg on.

7:05

And

7:07

I,

7:07

you know, I think we had said, like, the

7:09

various too many of these kinds of misunderstandings of

7:12

the show. A lot of people wrote in and basically

7:14

said they intended for House of Dragon

7:16

to be Shakespearean -- Mhmm. -- and these

7:18

kinds of misunderstandings happen in Shakespeare

7:20

a lot. Romeo and Juliet being

7:22

one of the main examples where spoilers

7:25

for Romeo and Juliet, but at the end of

7:27

the play, Juliet thinks that Romeo's

7:29

killed himself, but he hasn't killed or

7:31

or the other way around. Sorry. Yeah. Romeo thinks

7:33

Juliet's is dead, but then

7:35

So then he kills himself, but then she wasn't

7:37

actually dead. She just taken some draw you know?

7:39

And -- Yep. -- I think it's a fair

7:42

call out. And also, I

7:44

talked to my friend and colleague Jeff Kanata about this

7:46

and he was like, yeah, Vicerise does give off

7:48

big King Lear vibes, you know, which is

7:50

which is true. So I do wanna acknowledge

7:52

that. I did Texas to UK Renfro,

7:54

and you were like, let's

7:56

let's wait and see how this all plays out

7:58

before we conclude about

8:00

how she Experian, how sweet Dragon

8:03

really is. But I guess, I I don't wanna mention

8:05

it because I thought it was a it was a good parallel

8:08

and, you know -- Yeah. -- we'll we'll we'll

8:10

see how it plays out. Yeah. I thought you were about to

8:12

say I texted you and your response

8:14

was, well, it bothered me and Romeo and Juliet,

8:16

too, which

8:19

it did when I was, like, a

8:21

freshman in high school. So

8:25

No. There's always a they're not

8:27

they're not publicly out your views on Romeo

8:29

and Juliet here. No. No. I'm doing that

8:31

all by myself. Yeah. But, yeah, I

8:33

did. I was literally, like, I wanna sleep on

8:35

it. I'm very curious to see, like, what

8:37

Allison does with that

8:39

misinterpretation, this episode, and

8:41

I have to say I was extremely

8:43

pleasantly surprised to see

8:45

how they decided to characterize everything.

8:48

So interesting. Well, I wanted to acknowledge, you know, that

8:50

response to the criticism. I don't I

8:52

don't I'm not when I hear it, I'm not like,

8:54

oh, yes. Of course, Shakespearean, that solves

8:56

everything. Like, I No. It's a really

8:58

good perspective to have. Agreed. It's a really

9:00

good perspective to have, but I think yeah.

9:02

I mean, worth

9:04

worth noting as we head into it in a good good

9:06

lens to view the show. I don't

9:08

know that I I still think

9:10

it's a completely legitimate viewpoints to be

9:12

infuriated by, you know, the end of

9:15

last episode, but I I understand

9:17

people's perspective on the Shakespearean thing.

9:19

Mhmm. The other thing I wanted to mention

9:21

is There

9:24

was some debate between you and me, Kim,

9:26

about the final moments

9:28

of last episode.

9:30

Patty Considine's character,

9:33

Vocera, says my love, as he's kind of reaching

9:35

up towards the ceiling, and it's

9:37

it's an open question. It's Dewey's talking about IIII

9:39

posited that it was Emma Patty

9:42

Considine has since posted on Instagram. And

9:47

actually, you know, before I read this, I

9:49

do just wanna say, like, I

9:53

you know, when I when I record

9:55

the podcast if you can, I do

9:58

spend some time reflecting on, like, how how did

9:59

I do, you know, in the podcast

10:02

reflecting on did I communicate all the

10:04

points I wanted to cross? Or was there a ticket,

10:06

etcetera? And

10:08

I I think if I wish I

10:10

had done something a little bit better last episode,

10:12

it was to praise

10:14

Patty Considine more. You know, I thought I

10:16

I thought I did that, but I'm

10:18

not sure if I did that enough because

10:20

it really was a very compelling depiction

10:23

--

10:23

Yeah. -- of a

10:24

person at the end of their life. Of

10:27

of a slow and drawn out death, the kind

10:29

that we rarely see depicted on screen

10:31

in general. It was remarkable performance.

10:33

And again, despite

10:35

many of my issues this season, like,

10:37

it's a towering episode, a towering

10:39

performance, a towering moment

10:41

that was deeply moving and

10:43

I was moved by it as well. So, like, to the extent

10:45

that I didn't fully convey that, I I

10:47

do regret that, but I'm

10:50

taking the moment right now to to correct the

10:52

record and say, I really thought he

10:54

was wonderful last episode. And

10:56

I thought I I thought I did, but, you know, just reiterating

10:58

in case. I don't think there's ever no

11:00

such thing as too much praise for someone

11:02

who has clearly poured so much into a character

11:04

the way that Patty Constantine did.

11:07

fantastic.

11:07

Patty

11:08

Constantine posted on Instagram.

11:10

Yeah. And and I should say, like, there was an

11:12

outpouring of -- Mhmm. -- praise. He

11:14

was trending on Twitter, like, after

11:16

last episode. And he posted on Instagram

11:18

the follow he a quote oh, sorry.

11:21

An image of King Vocera's

11:23

and Emma, from the

11:25

first episode. And the

11:28

caption reads quote, thank you for the kind words. I

11:30

cannot reply to every comment. but I'd like

11:32

to acknowledge that they haven't been lost upon me. It

11:34

was an incredible adventure where I made lots of new

11:36

friends that will be with me for the rest of my life.

11:38

I'd like to thank the creators for allowing me the

11:40

freedom to make Vicera's my own I've never

11:42

loved the character so much. I wanna

11:44

give massive love and respect

11:46

to Brook Cayan, who came in only for a

11:48

few days, but changed the course of my character.

11:50

with her brilliant performance and commitment to

11:52

the work. That's the actor who plays Emma.

11:54

Right? Yeah. The impact stayed

11:56

with me until my final improvised

11:58

words. She unlocked the missing piece of

12:00

the puzzle for me and allowed my story to come

12:02

full circle. From the moment she

12:04

dies, so does Vicero's. It

12:06

was a love story. That's the secret

12:08

I carried with me. As sick as he gets,

12:11

he never himself demands any

12:13

cure. He quietly accepts his suffering. never

12:15

forgiving himself or putting his beloved wife through such

12:17

torture in her final moments. Vicero's was

12:19

a gift. I am so honored he found me.

12:22

Now no more. End quote.

12:24

Beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful caption.

12:26

Also, I don't I just in

12:29

case I didn't mention it on this podcast

12:31

before, I don't know if I did. Patty

12:33

Considine was one of the only of the core cast

12:35

members who did not need to audition for

12:37

the show.

12:37

She was literally just selected

12:39

for the role, and I can't, like,

12:41

like Yeah.

12:43

Just haven't beautifully done all around.

12:45

Yeah.

12:46

He

12:47

does also confirm that

12:50

the words that he said at end were improvised.

12:52

and also that they were about Emma. So

12:54

-- Yes. -- that is worth noting

12:56

as well. Yeah.

12:57

Honestly, if you, like, re like,

13:00

reading that caption, like listening to it, if you just go back

13:02

and rewatch that scene, I feel like

13:04

for as effective as it was

13:06

without knowing that context, like

13:08

having that insight to his

13:09

performance and how he kinda crafted all this stuff

13:12

just

13:12

lovely. There is

13:13

one of the point I wanted to make about

13:15

Patty Consonini's character is

13:18

I think that I

13:20

I have many issues of the time

13:22

jumps as have many other people but

13:25

the show is viewed really

13:28

it can be interpreted and looked at

13:30

really differently. if you

13:32

view Patty Considine's character of

13:34

Acerus as the the

13:36

protagonist of the first season. Right? Or

13:38

both the first season. Right? Like, if

13:40

if he is the protagonist, then all the time stamps

13:43

make complete sense. Like, he's

13:45

the character with which you're viewing the rest

13:47

of the lens through which you're viewing the rest of

13:49

the show, you're kind of seeing the

13:51

full scope of his life, his

13:54

his self

13:55

imposed suffering to some degree,

13:57

as indicated in the caption, His

14:00

desire for peace

14:02

and collegiality between

14:04

members of his family, but his inability

14:06

or unwillingness unwillingness to do

14:08

the things that will

14:09

allow for peace or

14:12

create peace to make the difficult decisions.

14:14

And to see the consequences

14:16

that over over time is really

14:18

compelling. Now, I think the

14:20

show is not really structured like that, you know,

14:22

because obviously we spend a ton of time with

14:24

Reneer and Alison. And so, he's

14:26

not really the true portrait protagonist, but it

14:28

did it did kind of give me this different

14:31

lens with which to view the show of of, oh, wow.

14:33

If if viserus is the protagonist,

14:35

like, then this time jump

14:37

stuff really makes a lot of sense

14:39

and and is a really fascinating,

14:41

unique way to look at this character's life

14:43

and what that character's perspective is.

14:45

So Right. Yeah. Yeah.

14:46

We started with the prologue. We

14:49

get the moment that he is named

14:51

air to the iron throne all the

14:53

way through to his dying breath in

14:55

the first season -- Right. -- of

14:57

the show. Yep. So

14:59

it's just this really, like,

15:01

vast, expansive time that the show

15:03

allows us to to look at because

15:06

of the and it's only made possible because

15:08

of the time jumps. Yeah. In

15:10

praise of time jumps as well, I have to say,

15:12

you know, spoiling a little bit of this week's

15:14

episode of the podcast, but just

15:17

like Olivia

15:19

Cook is just crushing it this season.

15:21

And and if the time jumps allowed us to have

15:23

Olivia Cook in the show, it was completely worth it.

15:25

In my opinion. Like, she she's just bringing so

15:27

much intensity and

15:29

rage to an

15:31

indignation to this performance -- Mhmm. --

15:33

that it's it's really remarkable. And and

15:35

and, yeah, I mean, I think I'm

15:38

not saying, again, the actress

15:40

who played Young Allison was not

15:42

incredibly talented as well, which she was.

15:45

Or which they Normally, Carrie was great,

15:47

I think, for what we needed

15:49

out of the

15:49

younger, slightly

15:51

less ground

15:53

down version of Allison that we have in

15:55

the first half season in

15:57

order then for Olivia Cook to pick up that

15:59

mantle and run with

15:59

it the way that she did.

16:02

Totally.

16:03

So those

16:05

are all the pre episode thoughts,

16:08

but you can always email us, let us know what

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you think of a show at a cast at kings at gmail

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dot com. or find us on

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Twitter, TikTok, YouTube at

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16:18

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16:20

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16:22

a quick break and we'll be back to discuss

16:24

season one episode nine of House of Dragon.

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17:57

Season one episode nine. of House of Dragon. The

17:59

green Council directed by Claire Killner written by

18:01

Sarah Hess. Opening

18:03

credits, Kim. What's different

18:05

this week? I

18:06

was able to decipher

18:08

more symbols. Yay.

18:10

Woo. I still think that this is

18:12

a little bit more complicated than it always needs to

18:14

be, but hey, it's fun

18:17

when I can get it without

18:18

expanding too many brain cells. So, yeah, this

18:21

is as far as I could tell the first time that we have

18:23

seen not only Allison's symbol,

18:26

but her children. And now she has

18:28

grandchildren. Not sure if everybody caught

18:31

that, but

18:32

of she is a grandmother

18:33

now. Pretty wild. We have a

18:34

whole new generation of Targaryen kids.

18:37

So yeah. So her little symbol is

18:39

the high tower sigil, which is like

18:42

that the tower with the flame over

18:44

the seven pointed star of the faith of the

18:46

seven. So, like, very in line with this

18:48

costuming that we've seen on her last

18:50

couple of episodes where she's very wrapped in

18:51

the mantle of her faith representing

18:54

the green of of high

18:56

tower. And

18:57

then, well, okay, I'll

18:59

talk about the kids that we all know about first

19:01

for their symbols. So we

19:03

get the three circles representing Aegon,

19:06

Helena, and Aymand her three children

19:08

that she had with Vocera's that we've

19:09

come to know over the last few episodes.

19:11

Helena's little circle seems to

19:13

be a spider. We also saw her Helena

19:15

embroidering a spider in this episode.

19:18

She just likes her critters, and

19:20

so that is her little symbol as

19:22

a spider. egg on symbol looks to me like it's a dragon

19:24

egg and a naked woman,

19:26

perhaps

19:26

some sort of illusion to his

19:27

proclivities in the bowels

19:31

of flea bottom? Not his non

19:33

discriminating proclivities. Yes.

19:36

That's what they call it. Yeah. non

19:38

discriminating. And

19:40

then there's a

19:40

really obvious blue stone, a

19:43

sapphire

19:43

representing Aymond. They haven't

19:45

really, like, explained

19:46

this at all or, like, shown this in the show, but in the if

19:48

you've read the books, you know that there's, like, in

19:50

the histories, it's claimed that he replaced

19:52

the i, that he's missing with a

19:54

sapphire sometimes.

19:55

Like, in

19:57

order to be extra spooky, I guess, when he's not wearing

19:59

his eye

19:59

patch. So that's why his

20:02

little symbol in

20:02

the opening credits is a blue sapphire.

20:05

then there is a fourth bloodline

20:07

coming away from Allison

20:09

and Viceras because guess what?

20:11

They

20:11

have a fourth child that

20:13

we have not met on this show

20:16

yet.

20:16

Wow. His name is Darren, and

20:19

George r Martin last week just

20:21

like casually threw up a blog post that

20:23

was like some casual musings about House of

20:25

Dragon. This isn't an official statement or

20:27

anything. He said but

20:29

he mentioned that, like, oh,

20:31

of course, they've had to, like, some adaptation choices. For

20:33

example, we haven't seen Darren yet

20:35

on the show. He's over an

20:37

old town hanging out and, like,

20:40

we just couldn't work him into season one.

20:42

So I cannot believe that they haven't

20:44

even done like a throwaway

20:46

mention of this fact, but there is a

20:49

fourth child of Alison and

20:51

Vocera's in existence in the

20:53

world, but we just haven't met him yet on the

20:55

show. However, they did take the time in

20:57

this opening credits to show that little

20:59

fourth bloodline indicating that we'll

21:01

meet him at some point, maybe

21:03

season two. Anything

21:04

else from the opening credit you wanna mention?

21:06

Oh, well,

21:07

you do you you see the kids later,

21:09

but, yes, you also we got a little branch

21:11

off of Helena and Aegon.

21:14

so they also have children of their own now.

21:16

We saw the two twins, Jairus

21:19

and Jaira.

21:21

named

21:21

after former King Jairus who was the

21:23

one who rolled before Vairus.

21:27

As

21:28

much as I like Olivia Cook in the show, she is

21:30

twenty eight years old in real life. So it

21:32

does kind of strained belief a tiny bit

21:34

that she'd be grandmother at this point. Yeah.

21:36

But, you know, What

21:38

else? But thank you

21:40

for

21:40

the breakdown. You you know, I was thinking

21:43

Kim that I really

21:45

do feel like in some

21:47

ways, this show

21:49

is one that is more built for book

21:51

readers than Game of Thrones. Right? Yeah.

21:53

And and and the opening credits

21:55

is one which, like, from my perspective are almost

21:57

completely impenetrable as a nonbook

21:59

reader. Yeah. It's kind of like a sign

22:01

of that. And the fact that there's three

22:03

people named Aegon and two people named

22:05

Eric and so on. You know, it's it's

22:08

it's something that I need your help talking through each

22:10

week, and I appreciate it. But it

22:12

does it does feel like I I do wonder if

22:14

that was the kind of the mentality when

22:16

they were, coming into the show is, like, this is

22:18

for the hardcore fans and, you know, for people

22:20

who are, like, already into the show. Whereas,

22:22

I feel like Game of Thrones is more,

22:24

like, let's try to, like, bring people in

22:26

who are, like, outside of this world. Yeah.

22:29

I don't know. No. And I

22:30

and I think I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this

22:32

before on a main pod, but

22:34

maybe it was a bonus episode. Either way,

22:36

go subscribe and

22:37

listen all the bonus episodes. They're great.

22:40

Yes. But

22:41

I do sometimes feel like the across

22:43

all sorts of honors of TV now that sometimes

22:45

writers or creators or directors are very aware

22:47

of the content machine

22:49

that exists around television too. And

22:51

there's like a there's a little bit of like

22:54

sometimes feels like there's a trust expectation of like, well,

22:56

someone's gonna take the time to break this down

22:58

into all of the little nerdy details that

23:01

we aren't

23:01

going to explicitly lay

23:04

out. in this adaptation. So, yeah, I

23:06

agree that it does feel that way so far in

23:08

this first season. Let's

23:10

talk about

23:10

our overall thoughts in this episode, Kim.

23:13

What did you think of season one episode nine?

23:15

So

23:15

many really good payoffs

23:18

to things that happened earlier

23:20

in the season. that

23:22

I loved. And then just some really great surprises

23:25

for me as well throughout.

23:27

So

23:28

I was like, watching

23:30

the episode for the first time. I was I could

23:32

feel myself, like, pulling faces

23:34

at, like, oh my god. Are they really doing

23:36

this? Or oh my god. That just happened. And like

23:38

Pulling pulling faces like, you you you're, like, physically placing your hands on

23:40

your face. Is that what you're saying? Or Not pulling faces.

23:43

Like like, I the we'll

23:45

just jump

23:45

ahead very quickly. The laris feet

23:48

situation, which we'll talk about more in-depth later. But

23:50

I could feel, like, my mouth

23:52

hanging open.

23:52

I see. And I was, like,

23:55

Oh my god.

23:55

This is really happening. And then, like, I had

23:57

this, like, expression of delight

23:58

on my face when

23:59

rainy's burst into, like, the dragon pit, like --

24:02

Mhmm. -- I it it

24:04

was like everything

24:05

I want normally out of a Game of

24:07

Thrones or House of the Dragon episode. I thought it

24:09

was great. What did

24:10

you think? This

24:12

is possibly my favorite episode of

24:14

the season so far. Hell yeah.

24:17

It I thought it was awesome.

24:19

give

24:19

it like an a a minus. It's

24:22

really, really, really good. Largely

24:25

because of the structure of the

24:27

episode. Mine are point of course. This

24:29

this is, I think, the least amount of time

24:31

that has transpired between episodes in

24:33

the whole season. I think it's literally, like No.

24:35

No. No. No. because I think it was It

24:37

it it was it's not clear to me

24:40

if this was, like, the same night as last

24:42

episode or the night after. I

24:43

think it's just same So, like because she says

24:46

she says I saw him last night before he

24:48

died. So I didn't know if it was I think

24:50

it's, like, the early morning the early

24:52

hours of dawn. So yeah. Maybe a matter

24:54

of hours. Like So smallest time at

24:56

midnight. It's three thirty in the morning

24:58

when that kid finds him. Right. Smallest

25:00

time jump in the whole season.

25:03

I'm sure it's just coincidental. That's why I really

25:05

love the episode. I think that

25:07

the

25:08

it v The

25:10

episode is structured like a thriller, basically. It's structured

25:13

like, first of all, this is great opening scene that

25:15

takes place almost entirely in real

25:17

time of this debate in the

25:19

small council seeing Allison's

25:21

reaction to that and her indignation is

25:23

is amazing. And then it's like a race

25:25

against time, you know -- Mhmm. --

25:27

to control the

25:29

situation. I

25:29

do have minor

25:32

knits

25:32

as usual, but overall, this

25:34

was like a home run episode. I

25:36

loved it. I was completely engrossed

25:39

in it. just really

25:41

some of the my favorite TV that I've seen

25:43

this year. Like, I just I just thought it was

25:45

tremendous hour of television. So

25:47

at a great time, loves

25:49

season one episode. So let's get in

25:52

touch. The episode opens

25:54

with

25:55

the darkness

25:57

and desolation of the

25:59

Red Keep. You see, like, all these various scenes, the

26:01

small councilroom, everything's just dark and

26:04

billowing in the winds.

26:06

There is a plaintive piano score that plays throughout most

26:08

of the first sequence where, like, all

26:10

this stuff is happening. It's very, very beautiful --

26:12

Mhmm. -- as is most of the music for the show and

26:14

throughout the episode. So

26:17

there is a

26:19

small boy

26:20

that's walking down the hall and he I

26:22

believe he knows, right, he knows that

26:24

Viceris is dead. he tells

26:27

Talia who is an

26:29

informant for the white worm

26:31

-- Mhmm. -- and we also

26:33

understand, like, an informant for our auto

26:35

high tower Right? Mhmm. And

26:38

then Talia tells Alison, and

26:41

Alison springs into action. You

26:43

notice something about Alison's appearance.

26:45

Right? Yeah. I clocked that her,

26:47

like, night down is sort of a a

26:49

light blue silk. And I

26:51

think because especially for

26:54

Olivia Cook's portrayal of Allison High

26:56

Tower. She's been wearing mostly, like, dark

26:58

greens and is very, like, aligned with

27:00

High Tower. and that blue

27:02

reminded me so much of the dress that

27:04

Emily Carey was wearing in the pilot

27:06

episode when we first meet Allison and she's

27:08

just friends with Raynira and

27:10

she, like, comes into Queen

27:12

Emma's room and sort of like hangs out in the

27:14

back. And I just felt like there was

27:16

a

27:16

little bit of symbolism there that, like, in

27:18

private by herself Allison seems

27:21

to still kind of like be holding on

27:23

to that teenage

27:24

dumb of

27:25

herself. And then, of course,

27:27

when she needs to us and be the queen.

27:29

She's in, like, the very elaborate regal

27:31

dark

27:31

greens and blacks that she's

27:34

gotten used to wearing as queen.

27:36

Allison

27:37

is deeply

27:39

upset by the king's death. There's a couple of scenes

27:41

this episode where she's clearly in

27:43

mourning a scene later with the Silent

27:45

Sisters, kind of prepping King Vessaris'

27:48

body. I

27:48

do

27:49

like that she has kind of genuine

27:52

emotion for the king probably

27:54

didn't feel that way her whole life, but by this

27:56

point, they've been together for

27:58

many, many years. And so, of course,

27:59

someone would feel someone in that sit something in

28:02

that situation. she goes to auto and

28:04

explains what

28:06

was

28:06

told to her last episode, which is

28:08

that the king wanted Aegon to be king.

28:11

Now

28:15

Obviously,

28:15

that kind of motivates all of the action for

28:17

the episode. Right? Is

28:20

this deathbed confession. But

28:22

and this is

28:23

a thing that you and I found a little bit frustrating that it's

28:25

like the whole thing is he's done a misunderstanding.

28:27

But to be fair, this is something that auto has

28:29

been plotting for for a long time. Yeah.

28:32

And also, Rainyra, in

28:34

some ways,

28:35

has has been you'll

28:40

probably get mad at me for this kid, but I would say,

28:42

like, her her sort of claim to her,

28:44

like, thrown and her Progyny is,

28:46

like, premise on a similar

28:49

misunderstanding as well, you know. So, like, to

28:51

me, it's not this one is

28:53

obviously, like, more no. Actually, no. I I would

28:55

say they're they're both equally kind of these

28:57

misunderstandings of her like, her children

28:59

basically don't talk about. Right? Oh.

29:01

Yeah.

29:02

Yeah. And it's It claims

29:05

to the throne. He's unavailable, but it's like,

29:07

you know, the whole situation. Yeah.

29:09

Yeah. I just I just find it interesting

29:11

that I'm seeing, like, two characters or

29:13

basically one is a misunderstanding, and the other one is

29:15

a lie. And they're both, like, using deploying

29:18

these things in the

29:20

furtherance of their of

29:22

of power. I the the truth can

29:24

clearly be made that the high

29:26

towers or Team Green is worse

29:28

in the and we will make it this episode,

29:30

you know, in some ways. But --

29:32

Yeah. -- but anyway, I just for

29:35

that reason, I didn't mind it as much

29:37

this episode because, like, okay. Well, it's all built online.

29:39

It doesn't matter if it's a lie. It's gonna, you know,

29:41

Like -- Right. -- he knows auto high tower might

29:43

have tried to make a grab for parter anyway

29:45

even if, you know, like, I'm near possible

29:48

if if there wasn't a thing. So it's, like, Right.

29:50

Fundamentally, the misunderstanding doesn't really matter. But we

29:52

do get this opening scene in the small council where she

29:54

kind of explains it to everyone. She

29:56

sees that everyone has been plotting

29:59

the

29:59

without her knowledge, and she's very

30:02

upset by that. Uh-huh. I think they call it I

30:04

I wrote it down, but it was,

30:06

like, There

30:06

was no need to sell you

30:09

with darkling schemes. So one of them says,

30:11

which I thought was a cool cool turn of

30:13

phrase. Darkling schemes. I thought

30:14

it was so interesting.

30:16

because I agree with you that it doesn't ultimately

30:19

matter. Otto was gonna do what he does. Because

30:21

in fire and blood, this whole

30:23

viserys' final last words, the

30:25

misunderstanding does not exist. we don't have

30:27

any insight into, like, the actual goings

30:30

on in in any sort

30:32

of last moment between Allison

30:34

and Vocera. So I think that it is of it

30:37

was to me a very important choice

30:39

to to make it clear that Alison

30:41

was not in on the darkling

30:43

schemes from the get go. And

30:45

instead, this misunderstanding is

30:47

more like, it's just

30:49

a brutal way to make her

30:52

direct actually connected to the motivation --

30:54

Right. -- to what they're doing. And from anybody

30:56

from the outside's view, like, we see it happen

30:58

in real time in the small council room. Like, Lord

31:00

Biesbury is, like, Alright. You're telling me

31:02

the ads, like, you're telling me that

31:04

the the mother of the

31:06

person that you're about to crowd happen

31:08

to hear this, like,

31:10

final plea from king visseris when

31:12

nobody else was around,

31:13

like, very convenient, sure, Allison. But

31:16

we know that she thinks

31:18

it's true. And so that affects the

31:20

way that we see her moving through all of

31:22

these episodes and sort of starting

31:25

to flounder as she can't really

31:28

control going on? In

31:29

the after the episode, I

31:31

watched not the trailer for the next episode, but, like,

31:33

them ex you know, them reflecting this episode

31:36

and how Allison always wanted the throne for her

31:38

son, but not like this, not

31:40

like this. Mhmm. Like, she wanted

31:42

it in a way that wasn't

31:44

under she wanted it all above board.

31:47

And to see this kind

31:49

of very powerful

31:51

memory for Alison being weaponized in

31:53

his way, is upsetting for her. And and I

31:55

like that because she also

31:57

believes that King Viceris, despite

31:59

what King Viceris said, There's no

32:01

way you can interpret King Viceris' thoughts

32:03

to be wanting his daughter to

32:05

be killed. Like, there's no -- Right. -- there's

32:07

no rational way to interpret that.

32:09

Right? Right. In that way. And she brings that up. So Something I

32:11

didn't notice until I was actually watching this

32:14

scene for a third time

32:15

tonight is

32:16

because II1

32:19

The

32:19

first time through, I clocked this framing that

32:21

they had in the in that small council scene

32:23

where Alison is sitting in

32:26

the main chair, the chair where king of stairs would have sit if he was

32:28

present for his small council meetings. And

32:30

she's flanked by auto and

32:32

Cole. And she she's, like, looking

32:34

down the chair is sort of like

32:36

beautifully crowning her head. It's

32:38

it was very striking to me. And so then I went and

32:40

I looked at the scene of her in the small

32:43

council chamber in episode eight where she

32:45

was, like, clearly in control of Rayonier and

32:47

Damon show up, and it's, like, oh, Alison's running the

32:49

show here. And

32:51

the contrast between the way that

32:53

she was holding herself when she

32:56

believed she was in control of

32:58

everything, she believed she had a handle

33:00

on, like, Vicero's illness. She felt like she

33:02

was giving orders and they were being listened to.

33:04

And then this episode, it's like,

33:06

nuh-uh. That was your dad, the whole

33:08

time. He was just letting you

33:10

think you

33:10

were running this show.

33:12

And

33:12

now they don't need you to be their

33:15

figurehead for Queen anymore, and they

33:17

now have Aegon that they're gonna go

33:19

crown and then run the realm through him.

33:21

And like

33:22

and and so the thing I noticed when I was

33:24

watching it the third time tonight is that she doesn't speak.

33:26

Auto is the she doesn't speak at the beginning of the

33:28

meeting. Auto is the one who tells everybody else that the king

33:31

died. He starts going on. The the

33:33

first time that she speaks up is

33:35

when she hears Thailand say,

33:38

oh, our long laid plans can now

33:40

come to bear. And it's like something it's like

33:42

she fully wakes up and she's like, hold on

33:44

a second. And so, like, like,

33:46

you just all of her emotion follows

33:48

from that, like, outburst. And it was

33:50

just so believable to me of,

33:53

like, she she doesn't have control over a thing that she

33:55

thinks she could have control over

33:57

because this was never about her getting

33:59

power. It was always

33:59

about auto.

34:02

and other men in the

34:04

realm wanting what they wanted, which was a

34:06

man on the throne next. I'm just gonna throw this out

34:08

there. If you're gonna plan for years to usurp

34:12

the throne, maybe make part of that plan not

34:14

exposing that you had a plan to the

34:16

queen. I know. But, you know,

34:18

we know that Thailand last year's a

34:20

big dumb dummy. Mhmm. He he said something stupid, like, every

34:22

episode.

34:22

So as soon as he said that, I was, like, that was, like, the

34:24

stupidest thing you could have

34:28

just, like,

34:29

given Ottawa

34:30

wink when Alison wasn't looking and been

34:32

like, this is all working out great, pal. But instead,

34:34

yeah, he totally spilled the beans and

34:37

then she loses her marbles

34:40

rightfully. There's some great well speaking of

34:42

marbles, marbles, there's great moments in the

34:44

episode of this

34:46

scene. Right? Lord Biesberry is really upset. And

34:48

obviously, it's it's a

34:51

foreshadowing things to come

34:53

of people not accepting this as you

34:55

would as you might

34:58

think. You might anticipate

35:00

that they wouldn't. And so Lord b is very protests

35:02

because The king clearly wanted

35:04

Reneera to be the

35:06

ruler. And and then you seek

35:08

so Christian kinda walk up behind him, and it's a

35:10

great shot because out of focus and you like, something terrible is

35:13

probably gonna happen to him. So

35:15

Kristen then murders Lord Biesberry

35:17

right in front of him. There's

35:19

a confrontation between Kristin and

35:22

the head of the King's Guard. Do you know what what's his name

35:24

again? That guy? Harold Westerling.

35:26

Yeah.

35:27

Howard Westerling. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

35:29

I think

35:30

that's right. And, you know, Westerling

35:33

honestly, the

35:36

thing

35:36

that this whole sequence reminded me of

35:38

is people may or

35:40

may not recall, but when

35:42

our current sitting president

35:45

was elected, there was a lot of debate

35:47

as to whether, like, what would happen and

35:49

if the former president would not

35:51

surrender power and -- Yeah. --

35:54

and I did get kind of I did think

35:56

about what these these kind of scenarios

35:58

playing out when that happened of, like, what

36:00

if the Secret Service is, like, refuses to accept

36:02

that, like, this guy is the new president, you know?

36:04

And this is kind of, like, similar situation

36:07

where here's a guy

36:10

who

36:10

did not like,

36:11

there there's

36:14

clearly differences within the kings guard about who

36:16

should actually have the power. Right?

36:19

Right. Westerling refuses

36:21

to kind of accept that

36:23

the decisions are being made in this room.

36:25

So Kristen's clearly allied to

36:28

Allison in what ways?

36:30

Open question. We'll talk about more later probably.

36:32

But anyway, Any other thoughts on the small console scene? Like,

36:35

auto wants to kill Ranira because he's like, this is

36:37

the only way we're gonna retain

36:39

power. Westerling refuses to do

36:41

so. But really, what they need to do is find Aegon,

36:43

which is what most of the episode is is

36:45

involved with. So any other thoughts? The

36:47

last thing I would

36:50

add about the lord commander. I I just I loved that

36:52

entire scene. I love the contrast between the way that he

36:54

behaves and the way that Kristen does. And I thought it

36:56

was really good

36:58

payoff. Like, Sir Harold, the Lord commander, hasn't really

37:00

been super forward. Like, he

37:02

hasn't been a a very present character in many

37:04

of the scenes, but I thought it was good

37:06

payoff for the

37:08

pilot episode, and we saw that he used to be the

37:11

sworn protector for Raynira, and

37:13

it was only after The

37:15

other Lord Commander died, Harold got promoted

37:18

to Lord Commander, and then that

37:20

left Raynier sworn protector

37:22

spot open, and that's when she handpicked

37:24

Kristen Cole. So,

37:26

like, the order of how

37:28

sir Harold eventually got promoted and the

37:30

fact that he is, like, the captain of the

37:32

King's Guard effectively, but he used

37:34

to have a very close

37:36

relationship to Rayonier

37:37

when she was a child. And it's like,

37:39

of course, he's watching all this unfold. And he's like,

37:41

I'm not gonna go murder Right. Her,

37:43

like, I've known her since she not only have I known her since she was a child, but, like,

37:45

this isn't how we do things, and I just I

37:47

love that scene for

37:50

for, you know, sprinkling in the the

37:52

morally neutral slash good characters of Westeros

37:55

that are still out there.

37:58

Totally.

37:58

So the priority at this

37:59

point becomes find everyone who

38:02

might have a stake in this thing, control

38:04

the situation, and

38:06

specifically get egg on back. So -- Mhmm.

38:08

-- they go to Helena,

38:10

and I believe

38:11

they tell her what

38:14

has happened. Helena mentions the beast is beneath the

38:16

boards, which is something that she said last

38:18

episode as well. And this episode,

38:20

you you know, was she talking

38:22

about this

38:24

episode

38:24

at last episode, maybe. Right? Because

38:28

she was force

38:28

you know, she has prophetic abilities. So

38:31

maybe she was saying, talk

38:33

about the dragon in this episode. Right? Right. I

38:35

think that that might be true. The other

38:37

interesting thing about, like, the line delivery in the

38:39

scene this time was that the way that she said it

38:41

and the way that Alison reacted

38:44

almost made me feel like this is a thing that

38:46

she has been repeating, like, more and

38:48

more frantically. Mhmm. And

38:50

so, yeah, I do wonder if

38:52

the Dragon

38:53

pit scene was it at the end of

38:54

the episode with Rainy's or if there is still more

38:57

to

38:57

come from, like, why

38:58

she's latched on to this

39:00

phrase as

39:01

opposed to the other ones that she used to to mention from time

39:03

to time. Yeah. So

39:06

Agon

39:06

is not there.

39:08

And

39:08

so they got a Allison wants to find a gun so she can do what she can

39:11

to exert control of the situation because she's already seeing

39:13

it slip away from her. Mhmm.

39:16

She talks to sir Kristen Cole, and then also Eamon

39:18

says he's gonna join Kristen Cole in

39:20

the city to try to find Aegon.

39:25

There is this moment where Alison says to

39:28

Chris Nicole, like, right up close to his face,

39:30

like, you know, I know your loyalty to

39:32

me and you have to do this

39:34

for me. And I'm like, what is going on there? because

39:36

I I understood that Kristen is

39:38

loyal to, Allison, that makes complete sense. But

39:40

it almost

39:42

felt like there might have been a

39:44

hint of something else going on there. I'm curious what your thoughts working. Yeah. When she, like, gets up in his face

39:46

and

39:46

she says everything you feel

39:48

for me

39:49

as your queen I

39:51

was are we talking romantic

39:54

or sexual feelings? Yeah.

39:56

Yeah. Like,

39:57

III also perked up with

39:59

that line, but

39:59

I don't I I

40:01

don't think that they're letting us fully in on

40:03

whether or not we're supposed to

40:06

I

40:06

don't wanna assume that they have had

40:08

any sort of non

40:10

Queen Knight relationship. But

40:12

-- Mhmm. Mhmm. -- I you're right to pick up

40:14

on those fives. Sir, Kristen has a type, you

40:16

know, aka people he's guarding, I guess.

40:18

perhaps. So, Otto is making his

40:20

own play. He finds Eric,

40:22

whose twin brother is Eric,

40:24

twin brother is eric I'm

40:26

not even gonna I'm not even gonna try to, like, refer to them really throughout the

40:29

course of the episode. Should we

40:30

just call the P and A or

40:32

something? Like, how do we I

40:36

don't even think it matters. I mean -- Okay. -- obviously one of them has a

40:38

crisis of contests in this episode and decides

40:40

to not follow through with the mission.

40:44

This

40:44

was the one note this whole,

40:46

like, Eric Eric subplot was the

40:48

one note that I felt

40:50

didn't really work that much for

40:52

me because it's so

40:54

rushed and felt a little bit shoehorned in.

40:56

It's a cool moment at the end

40:58

when one of I don't even remember which one, but,

41:00

like, one of the

41:02

Eric Eric's decides, like, hey. I'm I'm not cool if this anymore, but,

41:04

like, we bear we don't know these characters.

41:06

Like, we don't know what their opinions are.

41:08

And so for, like, one of them to, like, have a

41:10

sudden turn it it it's

41:12

really limited to how much impact it can have

41:14

on me. Yeah. Just because, you know, we we

41:16

just met them and -- Yeah. -- they're early

41:18

in the episode. So I bring first first watch

41:21

through. I was, like, I was just

41:23

I

41:23

kept writing down both of their names and being, like,

41:25

one of them is going on. There's this

41:27

conversation happening. But and it

41:29

was sort of one of the my

41:31

little nitpicks, and it's literally only until

41:33

I took the time to, like, write

41:35

down everything that they're saying, watch

41:36

it with captions, look at last week's episode. I

41:38

was okay, I know what they're doing in the show now. Eric with an e, the only

41:40

reason why

41:41

it's the only reason why it's slightly narratively

41:43

important is that Eric with an e,

41:45

the one who defects was

41:48

Aegon's sworn protector. And

41:50

I think that it is supposed to tell the

41:52

audience something that the night who has

41:54

the most close relationship

41:56

with this soon to be

41:58

crowned king is like

41:59

absolutely not bro.

42:01

Again, we have like Kristen

42:03

Cole, Harold Westerling, and then the

42:05

Eric's we're seeing four different

42:07

interpretations of what a King's Guard should

42:09

do when this kind of crisis of

42:11

succession is happening.

42:13

Yeah. So -- Yeah. -- that's all that I would remember. Is that Eric

42:15

with the e used to guard

42:18

Aegon directly? And

42:18

he's the one who bailed and then

42:21

tried to help Rainey's escape? Yeah.

42:24

Obviously, yeah, the the plot

42:26

function of Eric with an

42:29

e

42:30

is to is to kind of have him have this crisis conscious

42:32

and then get Rainey's into where she needs to be right

42:34

at the end of the episode. Right? Yeah.

42:38

But anyway, So they all go out and they

42:40

try to find hang on. And that's what a lot of the episode is.

42:42

And I

42:46

have to say, Eamon and Kristen, they

42:49

don't cut a

42:51

very inconspicuous face. into

42:53

his incredibly tall with blonde hair and eye

42:56

patch, and to Christian wearing a

42:58

beanie. And a

43:00

westeros beanie, know, it was

43:02

sitting, meaning. Yeah. It was not a

43:04

subtle group of guys. So

43:06

they looked like

43:08

such dogs. They go

43:10

to a brothel on silk

43:12

street. They try to find they

43:15

try to find

43:18

egg

43:18

on Aiman says

43:19

that he's been taken here by Aegon when he was younger, and then the

43:21

woman that he's talking with was, like, oh, look how much you've grown.

43:23

So it's clear like they've interacted before.

43:26

Yeah. But yeah.

43:28

Any any you know, we have

43:30

more thoughts on this search, but any thoughts

43:33

on sort of this chris Egon

43:35

and Eamon scene before I'm sorry. Egg egg Eamon

43:38

and

43:38

Christian scene before we move on.

43:40

Just a hard eye roll on

43:42

Kristen trying to be, like, every woman is an image of mother to be

43:45

spoken of with reverence. Like, I I do like

43:47

the through line of, like, he's clearly, like, a very

43:49

religious person in this world

43:52

and, like, that

43:53

does explain his

43:55

he severe reactions, you

43:56

know, in -- Yeah. -- the first episode.

44:00

or,

44:00

you know, a few of us a few of us is I

44:02

think he's a hypocritical, religion

44:05

loving man. Would

44:08

have, like, Alright. Like,

44:10

like, you

44:11

can't even allude to the fact

44:13

that

44:13

sex exists, but you were just calling Brineira,

44:15

like, a spoiled cut a few

44:17

years ago. Like, I mean

44:19

Alright. But I

44:21

mean,

44:23

Myles McKnight at

44:26

his newsletter,

44:28

episodic medium, lays out the case against Team Green or

44:30

the Greens, I guess, to refer

44:32

to in his recent

44:34

newsletter at episodic medium dot substrate

44:36

dot com. He

44:38

writes quote, even

44:40

if

44:41

I feel more sympathy for

44:43

Alison's position by the end of this episode

44:45

than I did previously, I still would

44:47

have gladly had Rainey's recordist a lot of them.

44:49

I feel marginally bad about Helena with her

44:52

increasingly prophetic

44:54

remarks I have no real feelings for the rest

44:56

of them. There's an effort to suggest that Eamon's decency in comparison to Aegon means

44:58

that he should somehow be more deserving of

45:02

sympathy. but he's still the one who blew up the dinner last week and the fact that he's just

45:04

a walking sneer means I have no actual connection

45:06

to him. I truly do not

45:08

understand how the show continues to

45:10

have Kristen

45:12

Cole murder innocence in cold blood, and yet just pranced about

45:14

the city in a dumb hat. Like, we

45:16

wanna see him do anything but die along

45:18

slow and painful death. And how

45:21

swiftly Aegon goes from resenting his duty to relishing it? The

45:23

second he thinks he has his dead daddy's love and

45:25

the adoration of the people. And

45:27

you have collection of characters, I'd have gladly

45:30

watched burn as the credits role.

45:32

And Alison, about who might have felt a change of

45:34

tragedy, and then moved on with my life. End

45:36

of course. I do

45:38

think that the Kristen Cole, like, murdering

45:40

innocent left and right, it does bother me,

45:42

like, is it just something that's like, does he do that in the

45:44

books? Like, can you just kill people left and right? Like, with

45:46

no repercussions? Yeah. He does. We

45:47

kinda blew past this, but the Bsbury thing. It doesn't happen like

45:49

that, obviously. Those little marble dishes are a thing

45:52

in the books. That was like a show

45:54

invention. And Joanna

45:56

Robinson shout out former

45:58

cast of Kings cohost

45:59

totally called that of, like,

46:02

I wanna see someone standard

46:04

with one of those at one point. And

46:06

then they

46:06

decided to have that be the method by

46:09

which Kristen Cole does. But, yeah, he gets

46:11

he he gets away with crap

46:13

like that in the book because he's in

46:15

the pocket of Alison and

46:17

Autumn. No. I you you

46:19

know, I do wish that they had done a better like,

46:21

I wish I wish there have been some kind

46:23

of poetic reason why it would have been interesting to

46:25

murder him that way, like, that the because they never I

46:27

don't think they ever

46:30

actually explained ex explicitly

46:32

say what the marbles are meant to

46:34

represent. No. And it would have been interesting if the

46:36

marbles if they you know, someone had given some

46:38

voice over that was, like, these, you know, as a

46:40

reminder, the someone's giving a tour of the

46:42

small council room. As a reminder, these marbles

46:44

represent, you know, our fealty to the king

46:47

and blah blah, you know, like, And they

46:49

proved to be murder we gave -- of the small accounts. So

46:51

Exact yeah. But like but

46:54

then as right now, like,

46:56

Lord Biesbury's murder is just he's murdered

46:58

because of set decoration. Like -- Yeah. -- as

47:00

opposed to there was, like, oh, some

47:02

kind of interesting metaphor about the fact that he's cold with it. So

47:04

In Fire and Blood, there are, like, the rumored

47:06

accounts of what happened in that room because,

47:08

again, it's, like, a closed room. So the histories

47:12

don't exactly know what happened, but it's like one of the rumors is that

47:14

Christian Cole just

47:15

slit his throat at the table. The other

47:17

one is that he, like, pitched him out

47:19

a window and he was

47:22

on the spikes below the

47:23

tower. So, like,

47:26

they went somewhere in

47:27

the middle between those gory. pencil

47:30

ways of murdering someone and just had him, like, smash

47:32

his head down in a fit of rage.

47:34

Anyways, less Kristen,

47:36

more

47:38

Eric

47:39

and Eric Talk.

47:42

Alright. We're

47:43

gonna take a quick break and we'll

47:45

be back with more talk about season one

47:47

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Christin and Ayman are looking

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for Aegon, so

49:39

are the Eric's and we learn a lot about king's

49:41

landing, like the fact that it subjects young

49:44

children to cage fights

49:46

apparently. Is this in the

49:47

books, Kim? I'm curious. Not

49:50

that I

49:50

remember. Oh, wow. Show

49:53

invention perhaps. At least not as

49:55

detailed as, like, oh, we

49:58

file teeth and grow their nails out and we made a

49:59

fully artist make the

50:01

sound of -- Mhmm. --

50:03

fingers scratching cheek flush

50:06

out So the Eric's Discover, you know, or not Discover, but

50:08

I guess they happen upon the cage fights. And

50:10

then I think it's revealed that

50:14

one of the kids in the cage fight is a bastard child

50:16

of Eamon or Aegon, I apologize. Is

50:18

that correct? Yeah. I apologize.

50:19

Like or at least,

50:21

like, one of children to be in this cage riding situation. He

50:23

looked a little

50:24

younger and like sitting off to the side, but that

50:26

blonde kid is in the

50:27

same way that Robert Baratheon

50:30

had like Bastards

50:32

all

50:32

over the city with dark hair and blue eyes,

50:34

and then Joffrey had them all executed. This

50:36

was, like, letting us know, like, oh, there's

50:38

a bunch

50:39

of little egg on bastards out

50:41

there. and

50:42

someone at least knows about them, including

50:44

his sword and sword. Yeah. But

50:47

I really kinda like

50:49

this whole dynamic of cutting between these two characters

50:51

and and they're they're, like, racing against time to

50:53

try to find Aegon and I thought that

50:55

was pretty cool.

50:58

there is a brief scene, you know, we start to see the

51:00

Eric's have a crisis of conscience and, like, hey,

51:02

should we really be sticking up for this guy? Because

51:04

look at all this stuff that's going on.

51:08

And Same thing with Eamon and sir Christian,

51:11

where a lot

51:12

of Prince Charles Energy coming off of

51:15

Eamon, by the way, like, I've

51:17

been watching the Crown and there's actually

51:19

many

51:19

Crown parallels with

51:21

this episode of of

51:23

House of Dragon. But, yeah, one

51:25

of them is, like, I felt a lot of Prince Charles Energy coming off of Eamon who's, like, I'm

51:27

the one that should be should

51:30

be the

51:32

king and he's probably right.

51:34

And this is a thing that was true in the

51:36

crowd as well. In addition to kind of Prince Charles

51:38

Energy of, like, I'm the better one.

51:40

There's also this dynamic

51:42

in the crown where Queen Elizabeth is

51:44

crowned the queen, but her sister

51:46

Margaret is theoretically more quote

51:48

unquote well suited for

51:50

it. Mhmm. And when I say

51:52

the crown, I'm talking about, like, in real life too. Like, these are

51:54

these are documented facts, some of them.

51:56

Yeah.

51:57

We're, like, you

51:58

know, Margaret is way more in like, way more, like, sociable as

52:00

a person and, like, more gregarious.

52:05

is that what the institution of a crown needs,

52:07

not necessarily. And so maybe it fell to the

52:09

right person, assuming you believe that the

52:12

monarchy can be a force for good

52:14

at which I am not conceiving whatsoever. But point

52:16

being that, like, there's this idea

52:18

of this tragedy that

52:20

the actual throne falls to

52:22

somebody who

52:23

is not for it, doesn't want it. When in fact,

52:26

like, the sibling is the one who

52:28

should, by all me like, by all

52:30

sensible accounts, be the person that

52:32

gets it. Yeah. pandemic

52:34

that happens with real life in the crown slash

52:36

the British monarchy also on house drag

52:38

as well. So any thoughts on that,

52:40

Kim, or any anything you can share about that? I mean,

52:42

it just kind of you saying that at the end there just sparked in my

52:44

head that that was a big dynamic between

52:46

Tyrion and Tywin Lannister and Game

52:48

of Thrones. Right? Which isn't, like, Tywin

52:52

is very strategic, very

52:55

good at accumulating power and wealth

52:57

and influence, and yet he

53:00

cannot see that one of his sons would actually make a

53:02

fantastic heir to the heir to

53:04

casterly rock and is worthy of

53:07

of political strategizing and everything, but instead

53:09

he can't look past his

53:12

physical attributes and his

53:14

preclivities for also

53:16

the brothels of Free Box or whatever. Mhmm.

53:18

But you know what I mean? Like,

53:20

yes. That I think that that is a very George

53:22

r Martin dynamic to bring in of this,

53:24

like, internal

53:25

family, tragedy, structure, abuse, network of, like,

53:27

one, siblings being pitted against

53:30

one, one

53:32

another. Auto

53:34

Auto High Tower

53:34

is really busy this episode. He

53:37

is trying to control

53:39

the situation himself by getting

53:41

a lot of people to swear guilty to his

53:43

grandson under the new plan

53:46

because hey,

53:48

turns out, you know, and and I I like that they had to explain

53:51

it multiple times in the episode and

53:53

you get to see multiple different people

53:55

react to it. because it is a fundamentally

53:57

silly and implausible thing that's like, guess what? I'm the

53:59

only person that heard him say this thing that

54:02

benefits me. And

54:04

I like that you get to see how, like, different people react to it

54:06

-- Yeah. -- some very skeptically. And

54:09

so there's this seen in

54:11

the throne room where he asks people to swear fealty.

54:14

And I did think it was cool that they brought up in

54:16

the small council meeting, hey, we had

54:18

dozens of houses already swear

54:20

loyalty to Rainier, and people say, like, that was

54:22

decades ago. And many of

54:24

those people already dead. And I was like, oh, that's

54:26

that's interesting that, like, it's

54:28

true

54:28

that, like, It was

54:29

a great scene in the opening. I think it was

54:31

a pilot episode where they're like -- Mhmm. -- hey,

54:34

everyone swear guilty to Reniere. And it's like, oh, yes.

54:36

This is very sacred bond, blah

54:38

blah blah. But then it's like, it's been decades since then. Most of these people

54:40

probably dead. Some of them probably don't even

54:42

remember. And they could probably very easily

54:44

switch sides without creating too

54:46

much problems. And that's

54:48

kind of the option that's presented to them in

54:50

this episode. So most

54:52

people do fall into line. There's a couple of houses

54:54

that don't One of them

54:55

is by one of them is a the House

54:57

of Fel, a woman representing it. Right? Is that a

54:59

-- Yeah. -- is that, like, something from the books,

55:01

Kim Rempro? Or No. Minor House

55:03

mentioned in the books. I think they

55:05

might come into play

55:06

later or there's some

55:08

connection. I was

55:08

when I was looking this

55:12

something about

55:12

how it fell. I was like, I can't talk about that yet on a cashier basis.

55:16

I love I love that you

55:18

felt that. I love that you felt that.

55:21

Then there's a there's, like, a, I think, like,

55:23

a bald guy. Do you what was the guy's

55:25

what house? caswell. Or caswell.

55:28

Right? It's

55:30

her

55:30

guy. Is it

55:32

is

55:32

it the House of Caswell? Or is it It's

55:35

a

55:35

good question, David Chen. Alright.

55:37

Sorry.

55:38

I I I'm just writing him

55:40

down

55:40

as more Caswell. The

55:42

word of

55:43

Lord Caswell was the word

55:45

of beerbridge. Yeah. It's just house Caswell.

55:47

Yeah. House Caswell. There you go.

55:49

And the camera spends a

55:51

ton of time focusing on him, so you know

55:53

he's going to be extremely important in the

55:56

episode. He does

55:58

end up bowing the

55:59

need to

56:01

the new line of succession,

56:03

but then he tries to escape presumably to warn

56:05

Ronero because he's still loyal to her.

56:07

I thought I thought they were gonna like I thought Otto was

56:09

gonna off these people right there, but I think he was

56:11

still, like, open channel. thought that that was about

56:13

to happen. I think he's still open I think

56:15

offing them would definitely be kind of, like, declaring war right

56:17

off the bat. But I think he definitely wanted

56:19

to control the situation, so at least, like, there

56:22

was a new

56:24

coronation before he let them go. I think is kind of how I

56:26

interpreted it afterwards. Because I don't think they would

56:28

have killed Caswell if Caswell

56:30

hadn't tried to flee. You know what

56:32

I'm saying? Sure.

56:33

But he

56:34

also, like, bent the knee and

56:36

then didn't really mean it. Like, I

56:38

think that's why he got -- Yeah. -- the execution

56:40

-- Fair enough. Fair enough. -- in this episode

56:42

that saw. And I I again

56:44

thought it was, like, a nice through line of the fact

56:46

that, like, that same man lord Caswell was

56:48

the first person to ever congratulate

56:51

Raynira on the birth of Joffrey when she was making that

56:53

horrific, like, walk up the stairs.

56:54

He was one of the only people in the court

56:56

to be, like, Mhmm. Hello, Princess

56:58

Rayonier. So nice to see you.

57:00

that's the same guy. So it's like needed they

57:03

needed at least one

57:04

person that we had seen before

57:08

clearly be a little bit team rainier earlier

57:10

in the decades to then be like, okay,

57:12

that guy's for sure not gonna be

57:16

down with this

57:16

whole egg on switcheroo thing. So Great

57:18

catch Kim Renfro. Great catch Kim. I was

57:20

really rooting for him to make it out of there. And

57:22

then I was like, no. I was like, ride

57:25

that horse. the fence. You can do that. Did

57:27

you not know, like, in the books? Is it is it

57:29

not clear what happens to him? Or I think

57:31

I was

57:32

hoping that they changed it.

57:35

I was like, look, he's getting his moment

57:37

here. He's on his horse. So he die so he

57:40

dies

57:40

with the books as well then. There are, like,

57:42

there are like multiple multiple

57:44

Yeah.

57:44

It's not good for anyone who was in that castle and was super

57:47

narrow and she wasn't there. Mhmm.

57:49

So Yeah.

57:51

Alright. Sure. Kassel. RIP,

57:53

Lord

57:53

Kessel. We should mention there's a scene with

57:56

Allison and Rainey's where

57:58

she says, look, I know you just publicly

58:01

war Fealty to Rainyura and pledged your

58:03

children to her. But guess what?

58:05

I saw this you know, my husband said

58:07

this thing that completely upends everything he's been saying for

58:09

the last twenty years. you should

58:12

follow me instead. And

58:14

Reneese comes back with

58:16

something pretty surprising, which is, hey, like,

58:18

Why are you settling for scraps when you could have the meal, Allison?

58:20

Why are you looking for a

58:22

window out of the prison when

58:26

you could walk out the door. You know?

58:28

Basically, it's it's cool that Reneith has

58:30

never stopped having

58:32

her eye on the throne and think like,

58:35

Allison assumes, like, Reneces out of the game,

58:37

but Reneces out of the game yet, you know? I

58:39

I like that idea. I didn't even

58:41

interpret that as,

58:43

like, that Rainice

58:43

wants the throne or that Alison or

58:46

that she thinks that Alison wants the

58:48

throne. I think that she's just,

58:50

like, fully illuminating

58:51

Allison to the fact that

58:54

she, for however much she

58:56

believes, like, when when Allison is, like, we do

58:58

not rule, but we may guide the men who

59:00

do. I'm, like, that is

59:02

some self hating misogyny,

59:04

like

59:06

like mentality.

59:06

Right? Of, like, It's

59:08

not our place to rule, but we may be, like, the gentle souls

59:11

behind every great king. There's

59:13

a woman, like attitude,

59:16

and Rainy says, like, what are you talking about? Like

59:19

like, you are

59:21

just living your life

59:23

and service to these men. And

59:26

for as much as you think

59:28

that you're like, in my opinion, I was like,

59:30

okay. So what else could Alison have

59:32

done? Like, when Rainyce was confronting

59:34

her about this. And I was like,

59:36

I guess, if Alison

59:38

really wanted to be free, quote unquote,

59:40

she could have gotten herself out

59:42

of Kings Landing and found Rayonira and

59:44

said, like, your dad told me this crazy shit on

59:45

his deathbed, like, I don't know what to do.

59:48

My dad's been plotting against you

59:50

this whole

59:52

time. Like, you know,

59:54

actually ally herself with

59:56

women, but Alison didn't have any of

59:58

those instincts

59:58

in place. Instead, it

59:59

was just like go straight to my

1:00:02

dad, tell him hand him

1:00:04

the gift of knowing that I

1:00:06

now believe that Aegon is definitely

1:00:08

supposed to be king and then try

1:00:10

to control the situation from there and she

1:00:12

just can't. and, like, that's why rainy's, I think, popping

1:00:14

up at the end is so great because this

1:00:17

really rainy's being, like, guess

1:00:18

what? This is how you get things

1:00:20

done. If, like, you really want to set

1:00:23

yourself free, you imprison me

1:00:25

in your castle and guess what

1:00:27

I got for you with the help of

1:00:28

some good allies and my dragons. So, like

1:00:30

-- Mhmm. -- peace out, Allison. I I

1:00:32

would agree that Rhaenice is not angling

1:00:34

for the

1:00:35

throne or anything like that. But I do think I do think

1:00:37

she's she's saying to Allison, like, why are

1:00:39

you counting yourself, like, don't

1:00:42

remove yourself from the game prematurely. You know, you see my

1:00:44

interpretation of what she's saying. Mhmm. And

1:00:46

and you should think of yourselves as

1:00:49

these people's equals, basically, Right?

1:00:51

That's kind of what she's encouraging Allison to think

1:00:53

like. So anyway It's great scene. I

1:00:55

love that conversation.

1:00:55

It's great. I was -- It's great. -- on the edge of

1:00:58

my seat. Auto

1:01:00

and Masari

1:01:01

Amit because the Eric's have found out

1:01:03

that, you know, through Masari's

1:01:06

intermediary is

1:01:08

that She knows where Aegon is. So they have a meeting,

1:01:10

they give her a bunch of money, and

1:01:12

she says, hey, you gotta stop

1:01:16

the child cage cage matches, and then I'm

1:01:18

gonna tell you where Aegon

1:01:20

is. So it's it's good that we

1:01:22

have some policy going

1:01:24

on during westeros during this episode.

1:01:26

Right? Yeah. But -- Yeah.

1:01:28

-- gives us a little peek into, like,

1:01:30

into like miscellaneous motivations

1:01:33

in operating in

1:01:35

this position in sleep bottom. because

1:01:37

ever since she left Damon, I

1:01:39

was sort of, like, What are you getting

1:01:41

out of this besides just money? I don't believe

1:01:43

this character in its current trajectory

1:01:45

is gonna be, like,

1:01:47

particularly interesting or critical, but just based on

1:01:49

how the show is treating her, you know. So

1:01:51

-- Mhmm. -- so it did feel a

1:01:53

little bit perfunctory to me this idea of, like, hey,

1:01:55

you have to do this thing. But what I liked

1:01:58

about the scene is

1:02:00

when auto agrees to

1:02:02

the deal and says, you have my word

1:02:04

and and he says something along lines of I'm gonna

1:02:06

remember this, you know? And

1:02:08

I took it to be very

1:02:10

threatening. Like, one day, he's gonna make

1:02:14

Misaria pay for kind of extorting

1:02:16

this outcome out of it.

1:02:18

It was it was my interpretation.

1:02:21

So I thought that was pretty chilling and well done personally.

1:02:23

Yeah. I don't know if you I don't know if

1:02:25

you had that read, Kim. I

1:02:26

did it

1:02:27

initially because I just generally

1:02:29

assume that auto's being a

1:02:31

little shitster whenever he's making

1:02:33

faces. Yeah. But I think

1:02:34

that that's a really good read on it, especially because the

1:02:36

last thing that she says, at least in my

1:02:38

notes was there is no power, but what

1:02:39

the people allow you to take. And I think

1:02:41

auto was also being like, yeah,

1:02:44

I'll keep

1:02:45

that in mind. lady.

1:02:47

Like, I don't like, you know, she's trying to make a statement about,

1:02:49

like, the importance and

1:02:52

power that

1:02:52

collective group can have against

1:02:55

a single and auto clearly does not buy

1:02:57

into that. He thinks that it all can come down

1:02:59

to just one or two people. I

1:03:01

I had the opposite opinion. Right? Which is, like, oh, yeah. Oh,

1:03:03

don't worry. I'm gonna remember that

1:03:06

because that's the thing I'm gonna freaking

1:03:08

put down when next

1:03:10

like, at the first opportunity that I have. You know, that was kind of my interpretation.

1:03:12

Interesting. Got it. Well, yeah. No.

1:03:13

because you're right. Now that I'm thinking about it, because he's

1:03:16

the one who I mean, I'm assuming mostly

1:03:18

him and Alison who staged the fact that,

1:03:20

like, all of Kings Landing has to come witness it

1:03:22

and guess what, eighty thousand people cheering

1:03:25

for your new king is a pretty

1:03:27

powerful public statement to have, like, influence

1:03:28

and manipulate it. So yeah. I got what you

1:03:30

I got what you mean. So we found that the

1:03:32

massuria is basically stashed had

1:03:35

gone away just for safekeeping.

1:03:38

Right? And I guess she

1:03:40

stashed him in this like, what what was your

1:03:42

interpretation of why he's kind of in the he's

1:03:44

in the sept. Right? One of

1:03:46

the steps that we

1:03:48

see

1:03:48

Allison and Rainira in earlier

1:03:50

on the season. Mhmm. And Aegon is underneath

1:03:52

that big table that they were praying under over

1:03:54

at the beginning of the season. Like, was

1:03:56

he just kind of hiding there? Was that kind

1:03:58

of your interpretation? Or I

1:03:59

thought it was, like, he was

1:04:02

wasted and she shoved him in,

1:04:04

like, the secret compartment.

1:04:06

The church underneath the prayer

1:04:08

candles

1:04:08

were, like, presumably people don't

1:04:10

go poking around too

1:04:11

often and, like, the

1:04:14

Eric's.

1:04:14

What I don't really understand is how,

1:04:16

like, that Eric's

1:04:18

left with, like,

1:04:19

the general note of, like, oh,

1:04:21

he's somewhere

1:04:21

in the store. You know what I'm trying to do. Like,

1:04:24

we're playing hide and seek. Right. I'm like, you couldn't have

1:04:26

been more specific or, like, what if he hadn't

1:04:28

coughed at that exact moment? But, yeah, they

1:04:30

they find him and pull him out and

1:04:33

One other note

1:04:34

by the way about the massaria scene

1:04:36

before we move completely on from that is, you

1:04:38

you know, in the show notes you highlight

1:04:40

this great line of, you know, you

1:04:42

are the mysterious white word my ticket or you simply a further peel in this

1:04:44

stinking onion, you know, which is a

1:04:46

which is

1:04:47

a great line. Mhmm. It

1:04:50

did strike

1:04:51

and you you asked the question, like, who is I who do you think he was giving was

1:04:53

giving him the info? Like, my interpretation was he

1:04:55

just had never met the white

1:04:57

word. Right? And so And

1:05:00

that was actually surprising to me that the White Worm would

1:05:02

expose herself in that way in the show.

1:05:04

Like, that's that's typically a

1:05:07

person who you never

1:05:09

meet the person, you know, like

1:05:11

and

1:05:11

-- Yeah. -- you

1:05:12

know, because there's a lot of power in not being

1:05:15

known in in a speech like that. But

1:05:17

No. You're totally

1:05:17

right. I'm more inclined to just annoyed by auto most of the time. And

1:05:19

so when when I saw that, I was like, so

1:05:21

you're telling me that, like, your

1:05:24

confidential source that

1:05:26

you, like, couldn't possibly disclose to Vocera's was,

1:05:27

like, a person that you didn't even know the their

1:05:30

identity of. You know? Like, that all

1:05:32

of

1:05:32

all of his, like,

1:05:34

insist

1:05:34

But but putting on my Kim hat, you know, that is you

1:05:37

know, that that that's not

1:05:40

implausible because maybe to auto, it doesn't

1:05:42

matter whether or

1:05:44

not it's true or not. Right? He's still gonna

1:05:46

weaponize that information. Right? Right. So right. So

1:05:47

to me, I was like, this is just one

1:05:49

more example that

1:05:52

auto is doing what he's doing, not out of some, like,

1:05:55

truth telling

1:05:56

bias. I just I

1:05:59

must my king tell you that, like, your daughter

1:06:02

was seen with Damon in the brothel, but, like,

1:06:04

oh, yeah, I'm using every morsel of

1:06:06

information I could get

1:06:08

to dis wrapped the relationship between Vocera's and Minera.

1:06:10

Yeah. Yeah. So that was my read on the fact that

1:06:12

apparently until this episode, he did not

1:06:14

know who Miss Aria

1:06:16

really was. Mhmm. And then

1:06:18

yeah. Yeah.

1:06:19

That's all. So

1:06:20

the Eric's drag egg

1:06:22

on out, there's a

1:06:23

great line that one of

1:06:26

them says, You flee what other men die

1:06:28

seeking, end quote, great line. I don't know if that's from the

1:06:30

books, but it's an awesome line, you know.

1:06:32

Mhmm. And it's a

1:06:34

it's a Signal to the

1:06:36

fact that Aegon obviously

1:06:38

doesn't wanna be king. He's like, let me let me go away

1:06:40

on a boat. You'll never see

1:06:42

me again.

1:06:42

the

1:06:43

a fight ensues

1:06:45

between Alison's men

1:06:47

and Otto's men.

1:06:49

Alison's men

1:06:52

triumph Eric, the one with the e, is like, f this. I'm I'm not

1:06:54

even doing this. I'm not giving my life to this

1:06:56

guy, which is just, you know, it's a it's

1:07:00

a cool I I agree. It's a cool moment. I think, you know, it's

1:07:02

not we just met these characters basically.

1:07:04

This episode one one of them last

1:07:06

episode. Right? But or the episode before.

1:07:08

But, like, Yeah.

1:07:10

Does does it make us an e? Yes. Does it

1:07:12

make

1:07:12

us an emotional? Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.

1:07:15

I was gonna say, again,

1:07:16

know that's Eric with an e because he was the

1:07:18

one who was privy to the fact that Aegon had

1:07:20

assaulted this serving girl and had to go, like,

1:07:23

tell the queen. So again, he's had this,

1:07:25

like, up close view to the effect

1:07:27

that Aegon is having on the people around

1:07:29

him and

1:07:29

how terrible it is. So

1:07:32

yes. Anyways, But I see

1:07:34

that it it's loosely

1:07:36

threaded in there. So it feels

1:07:37

a little wonky when you're watching it the first time

1:07:39

through in this episode. it didn't make

1:07:41

a huge emotional impact on me, but it's kind of a

1:07:43

cool moment when the guys is, like, peace. I'm out. You

1:07:45

know, like, this is a fun thing to have

1:07:47

happened. But, anyway, they get them. They drag them back to

1:07:49

Allison and Allison then, like, theoretically controls the

1:07:52

situation for that point forward. She has

1:07:54

a confrontation with auto where he says,

1:07:56

well played, and they

1:07:58

kind talk as equals for once.

1:07:59

And and he tries to insist that he

1:08:01

had her best interest in mine, and she's like, no,

1:08:03

you were just kinda using me this whole

1:08:05

time, which she's absolutely right about

1:08:07

everything. And, you you know, the one

1:08:10

question I had, Kim, was do you have a

1:08:12

sense of that this

1:08:14

have necessarily played out differently if auto had gotten Aegon

1:08:16

first because, you know, Allison's priority

1:08:18

is, hey, everyone's gotta see Aegon

1:08:21

Crown as soon as possible. we have to have the illusion of

1:08:24

power as quickly as well. You know? And I think auto probably would

1:08:26

have done something similar. So that was the only thing where I was

1:08:30

like, like, I wonder if this is all all a bunch of hull of for nothing. But

1:08:32

I do think that I I am

1:08:35

compelled by the idea that Allison

1:08:37

needs to control the situation,

1:08:39

and so she does get that. But, you

1:08:41

know, would would auto have done something different with Aegon, do you think? Like, he

1:08:43

he he sends the Eric's way very

1:08:46

sinisterly to get them. Right.

1:08:48

I don't I don't know if he

1:08:50

had any other plans, you know. Do you have any thoughts on that? I don't know other than

1:08:53

maybe knowing

1:08:56

that Allison sense

1:08:57

was a little bit of a

1:08:59

loose cannon at the moment, and he really wanted to be in control of her children.

1:09:04

the I

1:09:05

think maybe the I think that

1:09:07

the reason why I honestly think it all comes down to Raynira Yeah. -- Allison, thinking about

1:09:11

Raynira. And so

1:09:13

reading your notes right now, and it all

1:09:16

makes sense. Yeah. It's totally a renewal thing. I you

1:09:18

finished what you're saying. But, yes, that's that's really

1:09:21

the reason.

1:09:21

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that she knows that if she

1:09:23

has egg on, she can get auto to

1:09:25

back off from this go send

1:09:27

murders, write the second to

1:09:30

Dragonstone to handle this situation

1:09:32

because Yeah. Again, sorry,

1:09:33

folks. We we're we're just fresh off watching

1:09:35

the episode. Usually, to Kim and I do a

1:09:37

Twitter space on Sunday nights, and I work out

1:09:39

these kind of temporary

1:09:42

misunderstandings. But, yes, it's clearly Raynira.

1:09:44

She says that they're gonna send the

1:09:46

terms to Raynira at Dragonstone that she

1:09:48

can accept without shame. So basically,

1:09:52

Allison has probably saved

1:09:54

Reneera's

1:09:54

life by getting control of

1:09:56

Aegon first. Right. -- thinks

1:09:59

that she is

1:09:59

saving. Great. You know? Because it's like

1:10:01

she also she doesn't know

1:10:03

how Rainier is gonna respond to those terms.

1:10:05

Like, even if she

1:10:06

believes But if she's a a chance

1:10:09

there's a chance that -- Yes. -- like I

1:10:11

mean, in in the flip side, it would be, like, auto

1:10:13

sends

1:10:14

his men and they, like,

1:10:16

infiltrate Reneera's base, and they kind of just kill her right off the bat.

1:10:18

You know, like -- Yeah. -- that's the alternative. Right? So It pulls out the West Jersey

1:10:20

credit card and hires a

1:10:22

faceless man and Exactly. Yeah.

1:10:25

Exactly. AKA laris. Anyway, so okay. Yeah. I

1:10:27

apologize. It's clearly the veneer thing that's

1:10:30

that's what's going on. And

1:10:33

so then it's like, hey, we gotta we gotta crown this guy king as quickly as

1:10:35

possible and then get the show

1:10:39

on the road.

1:10:42

Let's talk about the Laravel scene before we

1:10:44

take a break and then go

1:10:46

to the end of the episode.

1:10:48

Laravels shows up There

1:10:50

there's there's this amazing moment when

1:10:52

Alison walks into her own chambers,

1:10:55

and she is freaking exhausted. I

1:10:57

have had the day from hell. I've had the longest day. Frickin' Lara shows up.

1:10:59

It's like, oh my gosh. Like, whatever

1:11:02

you have to say,

1:11:05

is not gonna be abusing or enjoyable for me. Right? Mhmm. And then but to

1:11:07

be fair, Lara has some good information. She's like, hey.

1:11:09

He's he's like, hey. There's network

1:11:12

of spies. And

1:11:15

they're they're giving

1:11:16

what figuring this out,

1:11:18

Larry. They're giving what they're giving

1:11:23

they're

1:11:23

giving away information including from you to auto and,

1:11:25

like, they're undermining your authority, blah blah

1:11:28

blah. So including Talia,

1:11:30

right, the woman who's like

1:11:33

going to the White Worm, and I guess he's

1:11:35

going to the White Worm, and then the White Worm has been selling the information back to auto in,

1:11:39

like, a huge when it's

1:11:41

convenient, when it's strategic -- Okay. -- communication, telephone

1:11:43

communication. Yeah. And

1:11:48

so, Larry, you know, Alison's like,

1:11:50

okay, can you take care of this for me, you know, meaning like actually kill people for me and Lars's

1:11:52

like, I could,

1:11:55

you know, but what

1:11:58

are you gonna do for me? And then we see what that is.

1:11:59

So what do you what

1:12:01

do you make of the scene, Kim?

1:12:03

Make of the scene.

1:12:04

you are what make a the seen him make

1:12:06

of the scene

1:12:07

I this was one

1:12:09

of

1:12:09

those scenes where, like, I

1:12:12

she takes off

1:12:12

her shoes. Right? And

1:12:13

I was like

1:12:14

Yeah. I was like, what

1:12:16

I was going out. What is with the

1:12:18

socks and

1:12:19

the shoe? Right? Yeah. I was like, okay. Interesting. Whatever. But, like, all done that.

1:12:21

Right? Long ass day,

1:12:23

you get home. you take

1:12:25

off your shoes, feels nice. So I was like, okay. Maybe I'm maybe I just registered that weirdly. And

1:12:28

then she, like and then she puts them on

1:12:29

the And she puts them on the table. Right? And

1:12:31

I was like,

1:12:34

again. Interesting. But, you

1:12:36

know, they're just having a little convo.

1:12:38

She's we know she has dinners

1:12:40

with him. She's just like relaxing.

1:12:42

And then she starts taking off

1:12:45

stockings. And I was like, no. No. I was like,

1:12:47

that can't be necessary right now. And then he like put

1:12:49

his hand in his pants. And I was

1:12:51

like, okay. Yeah. This

1:12:55

is this is happening. Look, no no no

1:12:57

ill

1:12:57

will towards

1:12:59

anyone who enjoys feet. It's

1:13:01

not about

1:13:01

that. It's like the look

1:13:03

on her face. while it's happening

1:13:06

and the

1:13:06

clear, like, quid pro quo. Okay. I'll do you a

1:13:08

favor, my queen, as long

1:13:10

as I can jerk off to

1:13:14

the vision of your feet on your

1:13:16

couch in your own

1:13:18

bedroom. Like, yes, I

1:13:21

think

1:13:21

it's a wonderful

1:13:23

Game of Thrones esque,

1:13:24

you know, weird

1:13:26

messed up

1:13:27

situation. I I have

1:13:29

to say I was

1:13:31

a little bit I have qualms

1:13:33

about the fact that Lara's is the

1:13:35

only disabled character in

1:13:38

the in the show,

1:13:40

basically, or what,

1:13:42

you know, him and him

1:13:44

and are the, you know, differently

1:13:46

abled characters.

1:13:47

And I think

1:13:48

i think it's shot

1:13:50

and done. And so you including, like, Allison's opinion on the whole situation, it's done in

1:13:52

such a way

1:13:55

that I think we as the audience

1:13:57

are supposed to perceive what Larry is doing as off putting. These are not you're

1:13:59

not two people who are indulging in

1:14:02

each other's kinks in the

1:14:04

sex positive way. Yeah. This

1:14:06

is, like, O'Laris is deviant, basically. It's kind of the way it's shot in my in

1:14:08

the dynamic of the scene. Yeah. And

1:14:10

I don't I don't like that he's, like,

1:14:14

you know, it's like it's almost like connected to his

1:14:17

disability because he's they they have a

1:14:19

close-up on his foot that's a

1:14:21

little bit like you know, Kaiser, Jose,

1:14:24

and usual suspects, like, in terms of the

1:14:26

angle of it. And -- Uh-huh. -- and

1:14:28

and it's I just it made

1:14:31

me uncomfortable a little bit that, like,

1:14:33

that that specific

1:14:36

character has this specific kink and

1:14:38

it's depicted in this specific way. You

1:14:40

know? Yeah. Yeah. Take a take

1:14:42

a bet with you. And revealed

1:14:43

to us in this

1:14:44

episode as a

1:14:47

like, it it the way that it

1:14:49

unfolds makes me think that

1:14:50

this is a this is just how these interactions have been going for a while that, like,

1:14:53

you know, this isn't the first time.

1:14:55

And so I'm like, the

1:14:58

choice to to insert that

1:15:00

into this episode. Again, something

1:15:02

that very much surprised me, and

1:15:04

then I was just like, I

1:15:06

yeah. there's a lot to

1:15:07

read in to that

1:15:09

choice. Indeed.

1:15:11

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So

1:16:54

there is

1:16:55

a cool montage with

1:16:56

some beautiful music of

1:16:57

all you see all the characters getting

1:16:59

no sleep and I

1:17:02

do feel the weight of

1:17:04

history on these characters.

1:17:05

You know, you do get a sense

1:17:08

that whatever the next movie is is

1:17:10

gonna be incredibly consequential. Mhmm. and I like that about scene.

1:17:12

And then, you know, the next day

1:17:14

happens and they're off to the coronation.

1:17:17

They're

1:17:19

in this

1:17:21

mobile carriage,

1:17:22

I guess, to carry Aegon off and Aegon and

1:17:25

Alison have an

1:17:28

interaction about what's

1:17:30

going on. You know, it's really awkward

1:17:33

obviously, but Alison explains like,

1:17:35

you know, I saw it

1:17:37

in the prophecy

1:17:38

and Aegon rightly calls out

1:17:40

That

1:17:40

makes absolutely no sense. He had

1:17:42

twenty years to change his mind. He didn't. And Aegon is right

1:17:44

now, here's the question

1:17:47

I had all episode. Kim,

1:17:49

is

1:17:49

because have you seen breaking bad? Most of it.

1:17:52

There

1:17:52

is a spoilers for

1:17:54

breaking bad,

1:17:55

not radical so, but in

1:17:58

in breaking bad, there's there's

1:18:01

a scene where Jesse's

1:18:03

girlfriend starts, like, choking on her own vomit.

1:18:05

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then, like, Walter White, like,

1:18:07

lets her die. And it's like a horrifying scene.

1:18:09

And it's like, oh, there's gonna be

1:18:12

some comeuppance for

1:18:14

this. There's gonna be there's

1:18:17

gonna be

1:18:18

some you know, Jesse's probably gonna find out at

1:18:20

some

1:18:21

point that Walt

1:18:24

was responsive. Right. And that does you

1:18:26

know, that does in fact happen. There's, like, tension from that point The tension But it's, like, is is he ever

1:18:28

gonna find out? Like, they they ceded

1:18:30

that in? Is he ever gonna find out?

1:18:34

the But

1:18:36

in that show, it's like very clear.

1:18:38

The way he's gonna find out is

1:18:40

Walter

1:18:40

White's gonna tell

1:18:41

him somehow. And that that is, in

1:18:43

fact, when it's happening. This show I'm

1:18:45

watching this show. I'm, like, is Allison ever gonna find out she was wrong

1:18:47

about the prophecy?

1:18:50

No. You may scene the book.

1:18:52

Right? Like, where she as you said Yeah. Yeah.

1:18:54

This has all been a show invention. Yeah. So

1:18:56

so in the books,

1:18:59

it's not even, like, he misunderstands the prophecy

1:19:01

in the book. So the whole time I'm wondering, is Allison

1:19:03

is there is there

1:19:03

even a mechanism for Allison to

1:19:06

find out

1:19:06

that she was wrong? And

1:19:09

in this scene, he was like, she says here, you can have

1:19:11

this blade. I'm like, holy crap. Like, is it gonna is

1:19:13

he gonna, like, see

1:19:15

the prophecy and say, oh,

1:19:18

he met egg on the cocker when he's you know, like, I'm curious, like, if there's ever gonna be wrecking

1:19:20

I hope there is. I hope

1:19:23

there is a wrecking for rainerist

1:19:27

children not belonging to Layneur

1:19:29

and and her misreading the

1:19:31

prophecy. Like, these are things that

1:19:34

should be paid off later. Invite. Mhmm.

1:19:36

And the dagger is the way to do

1:19:38

it. Invite, like, theoretically? Yeah. Totally. It's

1:19:40

the

1:19:40

plot device sitting right there. And

1:19:42

I, again, I think that this episode, including

1:19:44

everything that we've already talked about with Allison,

1:19:46

and now, like, the stagger and

1:19:49

stuff, like, some little qualms I was having with, like,

1:19:51

the the adaptation choices they were making or just, like, a little bit of confusion as to,

1:19:53

like, I wonder why that

1:19:55

particular thing happened.

1:19:57

the dagger and the fire thing when it

1:19:59

first happened, I was like, that

1:20:01

seems a little whammy to me or

1:20:03

like a little

1:20:05

too lord of the rings. language of

1:20:07

Mordor inscribed on the ring that can only be revealed by fire

1:20:09

type of vibe. And then this

1:20:10

was when I was like, oh, it's

1:20:12

the it's a it's

1:20:15

a piece of evidence that this

1:20:17

misunderstanding is a misunderstanding, and Raynira knows about it.

1:20:19

Mhmm. And now

1:20:23

that sitting on

1:20:24

-- Mhmm. -- little sex

1:20:26

pest kings' waste. So, like, I

1:20:27

do hope that there is some

1:20:29

payoff for the

1:20:31

fact that they planted because otherwise, the

1:20:33

whole dagger having the prophecy thing on it is gonna

1:20:35

continue to kind of feel excessive to

1:20:38

me

1:20:38

in terms of, like,

1:20:40

like,

1:20:40

really trying to carry this through line between House

1:20:42

of the Dragon to

1:20:43

Game of Thrones. This

1:20:47

is this is the kind of downside of making it a misunderstanding, though, is, like,

1:20:49

let's say, these reveal to

1:20:51

Alison that she was wrong

1:20:53

about the prophecy. It's like,

1:20:55

oh, whoopsie, like, whoops, you know,

1:20:58

that that's kind of what the reaction. As opposed to her, like, affirmatively making the decision

1:21:04

somehow and then seeing the wrongness of her

1:21:06

ways morally or ethically or attack or whatever, it's just, oh,

1:21:08

it was a whoopsie daisy.

1:21:10

Like, I misunderstood. You know, like,

1:21:12

No. I do I do want her to

1:21:14

realize she's wrong, but I'm because it's a misunderstanding, I don't know if it's gonna be satisfying

1:21:19

because it's like, Okay. She made a mistake. You

1:21:21

know, like, there's nothing -- Yeah. -- there is a tragedy in knowing

1:21:23

that, like, oh, we could have been friends this whole

1:21:25

time, Reneera, if I hadn't made this mistake. But

1:21:28

it's like, her

1:21:30

mistake is not unreasonable, you know,

1:21:32

like, in my No. Yeah. That's

1:21:35

I I totally agree. Part of

1:21:37

me wanted them to

1:21:39

go the the the narrative that we get in

1:21:41

fire and blood just says that, like, Alison wanted her son to be

1:21:43

king and therefore

1:21:44

she fought like hell to make it

1:21:46

happen, you know, type of thing. And well,

1:21:49

I also don't love, like,

1:21:51

mother crazy protective of her children. trope. I I there's

1:21:54

a version of the

1:21:55

show where Alison just

1:21:59

truly

1:21:59

believes in all of this

1:22:01

stuff and, like, and is in

1:22:03

on it with auto

1:22:06

to supplant or to to skip

1:22:08

over Raynira as even a potential

1:22:10

successor and then realizes that that was not

1:22:13

the right thing to do or realizes that she might

1:22:15

have taken it too far in to

1:22:18

genuinely contend with that. Whereas, yes, I

1:22:20

think that the misunderstanding makes

1:22:22

her character a little more likable

1:22:25

or, like, I don't think likable's the

1:22:26

right word. I take that back. But, like,

1:22:29

makes her character a little

1:22:31

more tragic. Yeah.

1:22:32

You know? Yes. And and

1:22:34

sympathetic. In

1:22:34

the tragedy as opposed to

1:22:36

like this was a tragedy of

1:22:38

her own making, it's a tragedy that she

1:22:40

was forced into and is an

1:22:42

outrage. some, like, culpability from her.

1:22:44

Yes. In the event. Right? That's

1:22:46

a good way to put it. Yeah. Alright. Well,

1:22:48

Eric with an e

1:22:49

has had a crisis of

1:22:51

consciousness and gotten Rainey's

1:22:54

out from her chambers and whisk her out of the way. This is the

1:22:56

same

1:22:56

pathway

1:22:58

that Damon used to

1:23:00

get used

1:23:02

to get Raynira out of the Red Keep, if I recall correctly.

1:23:04

Right? Yeah. Same secret

1:23:06

passageway. And it's the same

1:23:09

in

1:23:09

episode six

1:23:12

when Raynira went and overheard

1:23:12

Harwin Strong talking to Lionel Strong and having

1:23:15

that argument about their children. That's also

1:23:17

the same passageway, but

1:23:18

Rayonier just went up it

1:23:21

to go to that place where Harwin

1:23:24

was, whereas if you go down, it's this path

1:23:26

that leads past the Dragon skull and

1:23:27

out to that little

1:23:30

escape into into Kingslanding

1:23:32

exactly. Yeah. And if I am

1:23:35

if I'm recalling to me,

1:23:37

you said earlier, Kim, you

1:23:39

know, one of the things you said that I thought interesting was I mean, most of

1:23:41

the things these are interesting. Ninety nine

1:23:43

percent of things these are interesting. And

1:23:45

the one percent is the impressions

1:23:47

which are just amusing. The But

1:23:49

you had said, you know, that

1:23:52

the egg there was

1:23:54

this king that was bad. Right?

1:23:57

What was he was his name? Maygar the

1:23:59

cruel. Maygar the cruel. And he had, like, hired all these people who had built the Red Keep with

1:24:01

the secret passageways and he, like, killed

1:24:03

them all to so

1:24:06

that we can get out. Mhmm. It actually I got

1:24:09

a I got flashbacks to that be

1:24:11

when Larry was giving his speech this

1:24:13

week about, like, there's a network of

1:24:15

spies here and And maybe I'll you know,

1:24:17

who knows how many of them will be executed? Right? But but it's just the idea that you're, like, surrounded by all

1:24:19

these people that know this information

1:24:22

that you don't want them to

1:24:24

know, Mhmm. I didn't know if

1:24:26

it was a I didn't know if the show was calling back to that idea at all or referring to that idea at I

1:24:29

think it

1:24:31

is. And and in general,

1:24:33

like, why we even have the accounts that we do in Fire and Blood through

1:24:35

Georgia's story is the idea that there are literally

1:24:37

people, like, in the walls,

1:24:39

under the floors, in

1:24:43

secret passageways who might be privy to private interactions

1:24:45

between people or small council meetings

1:24:47

and stuff who shouldn't know

1:24:49

what they know. and the fact that that

1:24:51

itself is its own little secret. Like the

1:24:53

fact that Megor kept all of those

1:24:55

secret passageways and stuff hidden

1:24:57

from as many people as possible makes it a

1:24:59

very inside secretive, you know,

1:25:02

MI six level

1:25:03

operation of

1:25:05

spied

1:25:07

them in Kingsland.

1:25:08

and in

1:25:09

the red keep specifically. Yep. Well, they get

1:25:11

Rayniss out through the passageways. And

1:25:12

I guess

1:25:15

they're

1:25:15

hurting people

1:25:18

through

1:25:18

the streets towards the coronation is

1:25:20

kind of my sense. Right? And then

1:25:22

there's this moment when she sees the

1:25:25

destination where they're hurting everyone through. And she

1:25:27

gets a smile interface because she realizes that they're doing the

1:25:29

coronation in the dragon pit. And this is actually detailed from the

1:25:31

books. Right? Kim, like, the

1:25:34

coronation did in fact take place in Dragon Bay. Not clear in

1:25:36

the show why they chose that location, I guess, maybe

1:25:38

because it's really large and so might as well.

1:25:41

But

1:25:41

It says

1:25:42

in the books that it seats, like,

1:25:44

eighty thousand people. And I looked it up and

1:25:46

I think Madison Square Garden is twenty thousand. So it's like four Madison

1:25:51

Square Gardens. worth of people in

1:25:54

Kingsley. That's a lot of people to, like, make witness. Like, I think

1:25:58

by having as any witnesses as possible to the

1:25:59

coronation. They are all gonna hear

1:26:02

what Otto says, which is that

1:26:04

it was king

1:26:07

vissiris, dying that Aegon ascended throne and, like,

1:26:09

all

1:26:09

that stuff, they're basically just trying to shore up the legitimacy

1:26:12

of this power

1:26:14

play right here. Mhmm.

1:26:16

Mhmm. So

1:26:17

they get everyone in the dragon pit and it's time for

1:26:19

the coronation. Auto gets on stage and

1:26:21

he says,

1:26:22

viserus the peaceful is dead.

1:26:25

and his dying wishes for Aegon to

1:26:27

succeed him. And you kind of hear people being like, hot murmurs. And then people are like,

1:26:29

okay. Okay. Yeah. Why not?

1:26:31

Why not? You know? Sounds

1:26:35

great. I believe you, you know, they start

1:26:37

clapping and and then

1:26:39

it's

1:26:39

time to

1:26:41

crown egon

1:26:42

gone king. And

1:26:44

I actually really like the sequence of all

1:26:46

the knights lined up with the swords and

1:26:48

the used slow motion which is not

1:26:50

something they've do very often in Game of Thrones almost never as

1:26:52

far as I can recall. Very very

1:26:54

rarely do they use slow motion

1:26:57

in Game of Thrones. Johns know what this

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with the horses. Right. Exactly. What's the last,

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like, notable time that I can think. Yeah.

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It's not it's not like they never used

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it, but it's it's not common. I was say.

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So for for very big moments. Yeah. The music

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is beautiful. It looks amazing. Yeah. Any any thoughts on, like, this

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whole sequence before we get to the

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big reveal at the end? Yeah.

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