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the afternoon. Have

1:58

you got that? 3D feeling out. certainly do and

2:01

I'm joined today by Brian Degnan, Jim

2:03

Oar and Lloyd Patrick-Jepson. It's something of a

2:05

dream team that thanks every single one of

2:08

you for joining us. I'm going to come

2:10

straight to the boys down the bottom. Sorry

2:12

Brian, I know that geographically you couldn't be

2:14

weirs last night but we managed to spend

2:16

a bit of time in the same room

2:18

as each other. Jim, Lloyd, cracking night with

2:20

the blessed Matt Noneo. How good was it?

2:25

Sensational, absolutely. I

2:28

would have said the word extraordinary but that's Martin's word

2:31

so I would just go with sensational. Sensational

2:33

was the word used on part

2:36

of the video reel that we played midway

2:38

through the first half and

2:41

it's incredible Jim when you look back

2:43

to the arrival in Martin that speech

2:46

you gave on the steps of Celtic

2:48

Park and then what happened in that

2:50

first season and everything afterwards but the

2:52

video focused on you know Sutton and

2:55

the 6'2 game and Larson and

2:57

Petra. Sensational evening as Lloyd

2:59

says but he is an extraordinary

3:02

character as Martin O'Neill isn't he?

3:05

Yeah and that's the third time I've seen him and

3:07

I think he's turning out to be the only one.

3:09

Basically he's a stand-up routines

3:11

and making up fictitious stories and pretending

3:13

to talk Swedish. He's just kind of

3:15

a habit. He's got whole activities on

3:17

these days so expertly

3:20

hosted by Mr Dikes who

3:23

hugged Martin O'Neill at the end. He's

3:27

having a hug status with regard to Martin

3:29

O'Neill. He imagined he would have must have

3:32

hugged in the past or so. So Dikes

3:34

is in there. He took his shots and took a

3:36

serious turn. That

3:41

story. What the actual guys

3:44

there last night Lloyd, Lawrence,

3:47

Jerry, Aasim, who

3:50

else was there? Chris

3:52

was there as well. Chris doubled in with wife. I can't

3:54

stop them getting numbers there. That's a real name and JP

3:56

was there that I saw him. But

4:00

yeah, a number of people come across to see how much

4:02

he enjoyed that. So I'm sorry, that was good as well.

4:04

But yeah, he's a top man,

4:06

master in the new year. He's listened to him all

4:09

night because he has so many tilts to tell. And that's the thing

4:11

about his book. His book is so kind of matter

4:13

of fact. He can at

4:16

least go school, school's in his master's, a woman goes

4:18

down to school. He goes across

4:20

to England, school of the day, he goes all the

4:22

time for a fine biology report. He was the Celtic

4:24

in the fact. I think the Celtic

4:26

part of his book was only a count for a bit. A

4:29

thrift, something like that, or something. So he's done all

4:31

this stuff as well. So he's a very

4:34

charismatic individual, his master's for him.

4:36

So this morning he's now the chair of the League

4:39

Management Association. So that's quite a

4:41

prestigious gig. So obviously he's

4:43

recognised by his peers as well. But yeah, he's always

4:45

worth listening to. In a great

4:47

venue, the bar is out in design. Really

4:50

cool venue. So he's all in a

4:52

really good night. And yeah, good stuff. Looking forward

4:55

to the next one. You're right. There was a

4:57

tremendous roll call of acts from contributors and viewers.

4:59

A lot of people coming up and speaking to

5:01

us. And let me tell you, it is not

5:03

lost on us. It's great to hear in

5:06

first person. And the fact that

5:08

you tune in, you enjoy it, you

5:11

love the debate, you comment

5:13

live or you listen to this walking the

5:15

dog or on the treadmill. Whatever it is,

5:17

I think what we've done, you get a

5:19

sense of it last night. You build a

5:21

wee community. There's a wee, you know, there's

5:23

a vibe in these nights where everybody's in

5:26

it together. Yes, we can disagree, but at

5:28

the end of the night, all you want

5:30

is the best for Celtic. And I'll tell

5:32

you something, the reason that I love that

5:34

speech on the steps of Celtic Park, General,

5:36

I'll come back to you just for a

5:38

moment, is it's the same steps that just

5:40

a few years earlier, Brian Dempsey and Fergus

5:42

McCann stood on those steps in the

5:44

rain. And there's such

5:47

a contrast between that scene 30 years

5:49

ago now and the Martin O'Neill scene

5:51

and the sunshine and the optimism that

5:53

was shown in that. I used the words

5:56

and, you know, I said that, did you

5:58

feel obliged? Was it an obligation? obligation

6:00

for you to turn this

6:03

into a successful football club? Martin said he felt

6:05

there was an obligation, didn't he? I

6:09

think it was a simple game. Pick

6:11

the right manager, you give yourself the

6:13

best chance of going for that. He

6:15

was outstanding candidate. It was a good

6:17

sitting. There was other potential ones. How

6:20

many things have worked out if it was a good

6:22

sitting? He was the best manager of the job at

6:26

the time. A 6-2 game, I put down

6:28

a marker and things went from there. If you

6:31

look at sliding doors, if you

6:34

lost that game on 6-2, maybe it's under different.

6:36

Even after the 6-2 game, with the

6:38

horse, five-one, I worked. That was a bit

6:40

of a setback. So, manning is such an

6:42

interesting job, but it would tell stories about

6:44

how you signed your learning and taking

6:47

a chance. When you have such a horrible feeling

6:49

at Chelsea, taking a chance now on Thompson,

6:52

he's got a good instinct about

6:55

Martin O'Neill. He said, really

6:58

nice guy, he said charismatic,

7:00

best man for the job at the time.

7:02

Great years. I mean, I've said before, a number

7:04

of times. So me, the office all the Europe, and

7:07

after the whole season was, I'd

7:09

have said in the last 50 years, that's what the best season

7:11

is. Even though we won nothing. But it was

7:14

a journey. The journey and getting there, and his map, and

7:16

the O'Neill puts on the map. We put

7:18

against anything and we feared no one at

7:20

Celtic Parks, certainly. And he's still confident going

7:23

abroad as well. And that's a

7:25

stark contrast to most of the last

7:27

20 years where you're heading

7:29

by the couch, or two

7:31

couches sometimes. You brought

7:33

yourself belief to the club. I'd

7:36

imagine any Celtic fans would work through

7:38

that over the

7:40

last 30, 40 years. Goodhouse said that's been the best

7:43

period. Even though since they went one nine in a

7:46

row in a group of travels, we have to get

7:48

into context. The opposition

7:50

were top quality. How they paid

7:52

them is another story altogether. But

7:54

we had to go on top of it again. And he

7:57

got us on top of it again. Just a shout. a

8:00

giant within the game, not just for

8:02

himself, but a giant football field. Come

8:05

back to being a sort of fussed, talented captain of

8:07

Northern Ireland. That was a huge thing, a huge thing

8:09

to take on. Who doesn't really know

8:11

that world coach but can remember vividly and he

8:14

tells the funny story that has managed to

8:16

qualify for the round-robin stages and the

8:18

Irish F.E. did think we were going to do that, so

8:20

it was a good place to go, a good place to

8:22

stay and we'll fight. So, yeah,

8:24

it's a good guy, love Matt Nail. The

8:27

way that he did that and then turned

8:29

it round to Sue and Roy Keane left

8:31

the camp because the training, the bibs didn't

8:33

arrive. Imagine how he would have reacted that

8:35

there was a flight back to Belfast even

8:38

though they had qualified. One

8:40

thing, I really love the tales

8:42

obviously and everything else but it brought back to

8:44

my mind a wee story of that I'll share

8:46

with you. I think I've mentioned it before, but

8:49

it's gone back to that 1982 World Cup and

8:52

everybody will remember the performance of

8:54

that great side under Billy Bingham but I

8:57

don't know if you remember this, Jim, you probably do

8:59

because you've always had a keen eye on it and I

9:01

have football, but Billy Bingham's assistant was Bertie Peacock at

9:04

that time and Bertie is an

9:06

experienced player played with a very young

9:09

Bobby Murtuk at Celtic and

9:12

leading up to the 1982 World Cup finals,

9:14

Bobby Murtuk was in charge of Middlesbrough having

9:16

gone down there, having

9:18

been freed by Joachim Somesay

9:21

too soon. He went down and

9:23

became a son of a legend at Middlesbrough and he became

9:25

the manager there. So Bertie Peacock

9:27

contacted Bobby Murtuk and said, you know, we've got

9:29

someone, we want to get him fit because

9:31

we believe that he can do something for us at

9:33

the World Cup finals and that player of course was

9:36

George Best and George Best would be

9:38

playing over in the States and back

9:40

then it wasn't what we're looking at now

9:42

in terms of the competitive edge of the

9:44

MLS, I don't underestimate the league

9:46

at all. Back then it was more of a kind

9:49

of showbiz league and they were bringing in all the

9:51

big names and all that. It was

9:53

a retirement home for all the big

9:55

names, Jim, wasn't it? And also a

9:57

lot of the ex pros in Britain.

10:00

probably were at the end of the game but they could go over there

10:02

and still get a game. And Best had been

10:04

over there, he wasn't the fittest, so

10:06

Betty Peacock wanted Bobby Murdock to take

10:08

a minute, Middlesbrough. Middlesbrough were in a

10:10

relegation dog fight for six months

10:12

and got them fit because they believed that they

10:14

took him to the World Cup in 82. He

10:16

wouldn't start the games but just being behind the

10:19

scenes and maybe coming on for 20-30 minutes and

10:21

I always think back to that story blind, the

10:24

fact that George Best never graced the world stage

10:26

but there was that chance and you know the

10:28

reason that George Best didn't go to Middlesbrough,

10:31

his Miss World girlfriend at the time said

10:33

she didn't fancy moving from the States to

10:35

Middlesbrough and that's the reason he didn't do

10:37

it and that's the reason he never played

10:39

in the World Cup finals. That's just

10:42

typical Best is it though? It's amazing, it

10:44

always reminds me of that quote and

10:46

I think I'm probably paraphrasing because it's

10:48

one of those ones that's in detail but

10:51

he said something asked him one time what

10:53

did you do with all your money and he says

10:55

well spent it in fast cars and women, the rest

10:58

of it I just wasted. Love

11:00

that. The rest of it I just squandered, yeah

11:02

he was the original bad boy wasn't he? Not

11:04

but the reason we're talking about Martin is we

11:06

will tie it into now because he came to

11:09

Celtic at a point where we were

11:11

obviously aware of the fact that we

11:13

hadn't been the dominant force for some

11:15

time. Obviously we had

11:17

everything in place with regards to the

11:19

stadium and the finances but we're in

11:21

better financial health now than we

11:24

were then but back then we

11:26

were prepared to spend Brian and

11:28

spend Brian, Matt Moniel did, he

11:30

brought ready-made players, a

11:32

lot of them came from the Premiership

11:34

obviously down south on the big

11:36

wages, on the big English wages as well Brian

11:39

and we really did make an effort to

11:41

progress in Europe and we almost, as

11:44

Jim said we almost did that in 2003

11:46

however there was a couple of other really

11:48

good runs, I mean there was one season

11:50

in the Champions League where Matt Moniel was

11:52

team won nine points and didn't qualify from

11:55

the group so we really were punching

11:57

after weight, not punching above our What

12:01

the end of that kind of scenario in that

12:03

era was that we then started downsizing and spending

12:07

a lot less for a number of years Brian. And

12:10

I do feel that we're still in

12:12

that frame of mind. We're talking right now,

12:15

if we went into the summer right now

12:17

Brian, and we signed a player for six

12:19

million, a la Carson, a player for something

12:21

like five or six million in New London,

12:23

another one for four and a half as

12:25

we did with Alan Thompson, we'd be sitting

12:27

here absolutely delighted at that. But

12:30

that was in 2000, that was 24 years ago

12:32

we were doing that Brian. So I think we

12:34

need to find a middle ground where we're not

12:36

going to stretch ourselves to the point where it

12:38

becomes actually a bit risky financially, but we're not

12:40

going to do everything on the cheap. No

12:43

you're right and I think there's a few things

12:45

to unpack there. So you talked about

12:47

Mark when he was coming in, one of the

12:49

things that I think has been so important,

12:52

so important about that campaign in particular,

12:54

the civil campaign, was the

12:56

mentality shift at Celtic, which

12:59

I think we've sort of read

13:01

the quote to you almost since, because

13:03

the whole attitude changed that what it was to play

13:05

for Celtic, to be Celtic, to win. And

13:07

we started winning and winning well and it

13:09

had to, demands were getting better. So

13:12

even when Golden Shracking went after

13:15

Mark and he left and it was sort of downsizing a

13:17

little bit, we went to last 16 of the Champions League

13:19

twice, twice in the bounds, and then

13:21

won somebody winning after. So it did sort

13:23

of maintain him, it donned it domestically, but

13:26

then to your point, what

13:28

happened was the transfer

13:30

policy, the transfer mentality sort of changed.

13:36

Now, on your point about the players, Martin Newbong,

13:38

wasn't it just the money he spent? It was

13:41

the type of player. So

13:44

they were a huge, physical team,

13:47

powerful, strong, fast

13:50

experience. They

13:52

knew how to do it. They were such a

13:55

competitive edge, like you always hear stories of heights

13:57

players talk about that team and how intense training

13:59

was. how they were all at each

14:01

other being proven. And that cultural

14:03

shift maintained for a while, but

14:07

that's where it's dropped off. I

14:09

keep saying on here, and I've said it loads of times,

14:11

and I'll say it again, it's not necessarily the amount of

14:13

spending, it's how you're spending it. So

14:16

to your point, we spend six million now. Six

14:19

million's not a lot of money anymore in terms

14:21

of football, which sounds crazy to say, right? But

14:24

I do agree that you see a spending like 12 million on a

14:26

player. It still

14:28

has to be the right player for the right team. Still have

14:30

the right qualities to do it. So

14:32

look at the guys we've seen in the summer, and I'm

14:34

not going to go into the recruitment for the summer again,

14:37

particularly, but we're all

14:39

seeing these guys that have really bad

14:41

athleticism from Europe. He's got technical players, and

14:43

we've got a stellar player that might work,

14:45

and Brendan's carrying off that, he can sort

14:47

of make tactical

14:50

changes throughout the night, get a result here. If

14:52

you guys that can't track back fast enough, if you

14:54

guys that can't hold the ball because they're strong enough,

14:56

if you guys that can't hold the ball in the

14:58

air because they're strong enough, like we're most certainly the

15:00

right type of player. And that's

15:02

what Mark did at the time. He identified and

15:05

he spoke well about Rangers when he joined, as he did

15:07

as well. Always did,

15:09

they were the benchmark. They respected them as

15:12

a team, and that was the right thing

15:14

to do. And he said to

15:16

compete against them and compete in Europe,

15:18

maybe get bigger, stronger, more experienced. That's

15:20

what he did. So what do we

15:22

need to do in this window, and what do we do coming up? We

15:24

need to go right, what do we need? What type of

15:26

player do we need? And then we'll look

15:29

at how much we're spending to get them. Because

15:31

as I've said before as well, it doesn't

15:33

matter. You know, we will

15:35

never get the same players in Man City or as

15:38

Barcelona or whoever, right? So we kind of pay the

15:40

wages for that type of player. But there's no reason

15:42

we can't have the data guys and the scouts and

15:45

pay money to that side and identify these

15:47

guys before they go there and

15:49

have the bravery to get a chance in some players to

15:52

provide the fit of profile. No,

15:54

you're right there. And you

15:56

know the physical aspect of it, I don't think

15:58

Man City wanted to be bullied. coming up

16:00

obviously from an English game where the

16:02

athleticism is almost a given every team

16:04

you play, you know, at every age

16:06

level. Even when you remember back, you

16:08

know, to tournaments where you

16:10

would play an English team for example as a

16:12

youth, you would be up against guys that appear

16:15

to be five years older than you but they

16:17

were the same age and the physicality was incredible

16:19

at that time. Probably down to

16:21

the diet Lloyd of breakfast or cocoa pops

16:23

rather than whatever they were

16:25

throwing themselves full of. But in relation to

16:28

that I think one of the examples is

16:31

we have a guy in Stasselt for example,

16:33

right, who costs there's something in the region

16:35

and by the way the figures that you get are,

16:38

you know, there or there abouts it's

16:40

never exact and even when

16:43

you're looking at sometimes into the accounts of football

16:45

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16:47

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16:49

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16:51

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and you. Can fully up like Israel

19:37

and wasn't just the tape player that even if

19:39

the sake of the Us. And.

19:42

I think that's a big thing I'm sick of. Buddies

19:44

besides, because it. To. Bring

19:46

some the and millennials menthol and. And

19:49

and also will what the job in that

19:51

he mows as to when to use. This

19:54

to when cops. If you paying someone

19:56

who's just. Kinda to start Note: and

19:59

the game but also guy then

20:01

they're not really going to have that so

20:03

they're kind of just starting on their

20:06

pathway in their career so

20:08

this is kind of where the summer recruitment is

20:10

going to be important but

20:12

before that we've got a like title and a cup

20:14

to win and that's going to be even more important.

20:17

Can I just say though we started off

20:19

the show live and you had some pretty

20:21

nasty headgear on and I've got to say

20:23

you do shoot that and I know that

20:26

it's terrible. I did walk

20:28

around with one old all night last night

20:30

as well so I don't know if

20:32

anyone noticed that at all. Lloyd, what

20:35

do you mean to do these things

20:37

like I'm now drinking from an actual

20:39

mug. Things taste better with that. I

20:42

clearly briefed you guys to do this right

20:44

look at that simultaneous look at that. Right

20:47

let's get some of these comments coming in. We

20:53

started off with Matt and we know it was

20:55

a long time ago but we're talking about strategies

20:57

we're talking about recruitment and how things have changed.

20:59

We've got to realize that things have changed absolutely

21:01

we do. We're in rude financial help I keep

21:04

using that there's the klaxon but we

21:06

need to do it in such a way that I'm at a

21:08

stage of my life Jim and I don't

21:10

know this is just a natural thing with

21:12

age whereby it used to be one or

21:14

the other but now I'm thinking why not

21:16

have both right so you can you can

21:18

be financially secure but still spend big way

21:20

necessary surely we can do that Jim surely

21:22

we can compete but also make

21:25

sure that the the bottom line is healthy

21:27

I think we're in a position where we

21:29

can do that. I

21:31

agree with Ryan I think it's what you spend

21:34

your money. It's not what you spend and I

21:36

think you know good examples of the moment of

21:38

Bernardo and

21:40

the number seems to be six million. Could

21:42

you give better value for six million pounds?

21:46

discuss but if somebody said earlier

21:48

Paul I mean I have no idea what's happening in

21:50

the shelter, I don't know but I don't

21:52

buy this the manager say

21:54

these things are quick, quick, far on.

21:57

You know I have to induce the pain and leisure.

22:00

I found the manager and

22:02

I've come in there and then somebody said,

22:04

if I'm not saying this guy and you certainly look

22:06

at the start and you say, nah,

22:08

he's not for me. He can't run. Yeah,

22:11

he can't discuss. I'll tell you that. So

22:13

I don't buy this. Either he

22:15

wasn't involved and it's a fair complete

22:18

or he wasn't involved and he didn't do the due diligence. I

22:20

don't want to be negative today because we've a lead to a

22:22

intro. Come on into the

22:24

season, we can debate all this kind of stuff. But

22:28

yeah, you need to do your due diligence

22:30

in this stuff. And it's about using the

22:32

money wisely. And I think the market

22:35

has changed. We can't get down to

22:37

the EPA and buy a cross-suttin' or

22:39

a Alan Thompson. That would be tens

22:41

of billions of pounds. So if we're

22:43

pretty sharp, we're

22:45

very dependent. Now we can't shop in the EPA

22:48

and sometimes we can't shop in the championship, which

22:50

we could have done 23 years ago. That

22:53

was doable then. So

22:56

what was the question about who

22:58

we buy? Yeah,

23:01

I just showed that what happened

23:04

over the summer is

23:06

where we are just now. And we're in

23:08

this tight race and this is usually what's a two

23:11

horse race, as usual. And what

23:13

you tend to do in horse racing is to make

23:15

that an even race, you tend to handicap the better

23:17

horse, put the more weight on the

23:19

horse. And that's what we've done that season. And we put weight

23:22

on ourselves to make it more

23:24

difficult to win this league in terms of who

23:26

we brought in. Some of the managers decisions, these

23:28

substitutions, these teams that like to use tactics. I

23:31

think we've handicapped ourselves. And we're

23:34

in this dirty, silent tight race. I think that

23:36

we embrace it, enjoy

23:38

it. It's getting exciting. I

23:40

mean, Sunday, we'll get super Sunday. Both

23:42

games are on that afternoon. They're both live on the TV.

23:45

So how we've got here is what

23:47

you're alluding to there. That's how much bigger the

23:49

bait. We're here where we are. I

23:52

think the last time I was home was before

23:54

the living game. And I think we've got eight games to go. And

23:57

I stripped the Iberics in there and threw one of their games in

23:59

hand. and maybe somewhat two points ahead, she thought it

24:02

would be difficult. But now things

24:05

have changed, we're now starting to win

24:07

the next three games and win the league with a whole Glasgow

24:10

doubt, it will be a difference from a different

24:12

place now. But that's not been completely

24:14

over making because I mean,

24:17

rivals are stumbled. So

24:19

if we do win this league, I think it's the

24:21

least worth of the two teams that's going to win

24:23

this league because for me, this will be a

24:26

pretty forgettable season compared

24:28

to last season and the

24:30

season before in the fight. I

24:32

would say we're kind of 60-40 winning this league because we're doing what

24:34

kind of service we're going to turn up. And

24:37

if we had last year's team

24:40

and last year's manager and

24:42

a state point advantage, it would be a pretty much

24:44

infinite with Georgia and I

24:47

feel you mentioned there Moi and Riakemakis

24:49

and you know, you'd be dead confident,

24:52

I'm no coincidence. I think that's a

24:54

bigger debate come to the finishing line

24:56

once we go over, hopefully over that finishing line.

24:59

Yeah, you're right. And by the way, I don't

25:01

think what you're saying is negative, Jim. I think

25:03

it's very realistic. I mean, just about

25:05

everything now is deemed to be negative. You disagree

25:07

with someone you're being negative. No, I don't think

25:10

what you've said there is. I think it's actually

25:12

looking at the

25:14

season in its entirety

25:16

and saying, we know what the Celtics think it's

25:18

like, we know what they're capable of, but we

25:20

know that sometimes you don't turn up. We know

25:22

sometimes that during a game, they just can't get

25:25

into a rhythm. And that does concern me at

25:27

times. The one thing that K. McCluskey and I

25:29

speak a lot about on match day at halftime

25:31

is don't panic. Next 10, 15 minutes

25:33

are absolutely key to how this game is going to

25:35

finish. And I think there's going

25:37

to be some ropey moments at the halftime

25:39

break. We're thinking, wow, we need to win

25:42

this and it's nothing each. One

25:44

thing before I move on from the map, we're going to

25:46

be talking about the team from back to front. And we're

25:48

actually going to be looking at the bigger picture, not only

25:50

who starts at the weekend, but what

25:53

we do moving forward, do the need to replace, how

25:55

we're going to do it, what's it going to cost.

25:58

One thing I would say about Matt and Neil, I've seen a lot of dialogue,

26:01

not just after last night, but about all, but he

26:03

had money, it was easy for him, etc. I'm going

26:05

to make a point here about people

26:07

that required a certain amount of belief

26:10

from the gaffer, a certain amount of

26:12

development, because people

26:14

don't regard Matt O'Neill as a track

26:16

suit manager. He had this coaching team

26:18

that worked with the guys as

26:21

it was Barriefield back then, and then obviously he would

26:23

come in maybe a day or two before the game

26:25

and he would be there on match day. Matt

26:27

O'Neill said last night, I found this interesting, the

26:29

dressing room was his, I found

26:31

that very interesting because Andrew's the opposite, wasn't

26:34

it? The dressing room was the domain of

26:36

the players, the dressing room was Martin's. But

26:38

one thing, I'm just going to make this point here,

26:40

let me know in the comments. So I feel that

26:43

there was a crop of players in that Celtic side

26:45

that he inherited and got the best out of, but

26:47

also there was a couple of guys that came in

26:49

who didn't have the best time spot that came to

26:51

Celtic. So the names I'm going to throw out, tell

26:54

me if you agree or disagree. I think there's an

26:56

obvious one in Stan Petrov. I

26:58

don't think we've really seen the Petrov that

27:00

we grew to love until O'Neill was in

27:02

charge. He made a change

27:04

of position for Johan Mialbe and what we

27:07

saw with Mialbe under Matt Mialbe. I believe

27:09

was the best version of Johan Mialbe. I'm

27:11

going to throw this one out, but I

27:13

realise it's maybe one for the label. Did

27:15

we see the best of the label under

27:17

Matt Mialbe? I think we've definitely seen the

27:20

best of Jackie McNamara. I know that I

27:22

loved watching Jackie under Tommy Burns, but

27:24

he didn't play for a successful team under Tommy. We

27:27

only won the one trophy and that was before Jackie

27:29

arrived. So there are the guys within

27:31

the hub that I felt he improved,

27:33

but you look at Johan Hartson, Johan

27:35

Hartson couldn't pass a medical when Celtic

27:37

signed him. I think he'd failed three.

27:41

There's one that springs to mind in particular,

27:43

but I think he failed three. You

27:45

know this, he failed his medical at Celtic as well.

27:48

Martin O'Neill had the belief in him. He says to

27:50

him, unless you've got a hole in your heart, I'm

27:52

signing you. He actually signed him

27:54

even though he failed his medical. So he

27:56

showed a belief in Johan Hartson. I

27:59

tell the story of about Chris Sutton and Alan

28:01

Thompson. In the FA

28:03

Cup final the previous season, it was Aston

28:05

Villa against Chelsea. And from

28:08

memory, I think Chelsea won one nil. Was

28:10

it Gianfranco's roller that maybe scored the goal?

28:13

And both Thompson and Sutton

28:15

were unused that day. So

28:18

Sutton was a 12 million pound striker. He wasn't even used

28:20

in the FA Cup final. Not even sure if he was

28:22

stripped. He might have sat on the bench. But after the

28:24

game, Pomo of Aston Villa who

28:26

didn't play, Sutton of Chelsea who didn't play,

28:28

shared the beer after the game. And basically

28:30

the pair of them were on the scrap

28:33

heap of English football. Martin the Neil signs

28:35

them for Celtic and turns the world around.

28:37

So I don't think it was as simple

28:39

as just chucking money and hoping that it

28:41

worked. Brian, I think that Martin doesn't seem

28:43

to get the credit that he was due

28:45

for being something that can tap into a

28:48

player's mentality and psyche. Actually make them feel

28:50

a bit better about themselves and get the

28:52

best out of them as well. Absolutely.

28:55

I think it's very, the

28:57

recording theme whenever we talk about sort of Celtic

28:59

greats and Celtic managers, Martin the Neil has to

29:01

be one of them. As that

29:03

sort of character and that installation you can see

29:06

guys growing confidence. They've got that thing

29:08

of, we're not getting beat today. You've

29:10

got guys that can dig it out. Like, you know, we

29:12

speak about leaders a lot and it

29:15

is something we lack in this current squad, I think.

29:18

But interestingly, what

29:21

lengths, I think a lot of managers have mentioned post

29:23

the club, Lewis Strachan, Martin the Neil

29:26

and also Brendan Rogers. But I think when you

29:28

look at these guys, it's the

29:30

type of player. So there's a perfect storm. There's

29:32

like the player at the right time is clear,

29:35

the right club and the right manager. And they

29:37

all have to coalesce for a thing to

29:39

be successful. And if you

29:41

look at, say, I mentioned Strachan again, Lloyd

29:44

made a good point about character. I remember Gary Colby

29:46

was in a good one thing and he talked about

29:49

Gordon Strachan with his character days, where

29:52

he would basically turn men and torture

29:54

the players with these runs because

29:56

he was a fatless fanatic. And

29:58

the ones that saw it through. how much

30:00

they were struggling with a guy he knew could rely

30:02

on in the Chitsford down and

30:05

that's why in the lot of guys

30:07

striking sign these most successful signings would

30:09

obviously squat down the guys were Paul

30:11

Hartley, Barry Rogson but he was

30:13

also spending big money on Eerie Arasic, Thomas

30:16

Gavison so you

30:18

can see there that's no to your point still

30:20

just the amount of money even the player the

30:23

type of player at the right time with the

30:25

right gaffer and on

30:28

that subject we've mentioned star suit a few times

30:31

Anal Ascently did and I'm sure a lot of us did

30:34

most of last season before we said we

30:36

need to upgrade on star suit now

30:39

no since he's left he's became betting about one of

30:41

these eyes because of what we're playing with this season

30:44

but the reality is even then we said good

30:46

player that we need better we're not mistaken

30:48

them we need a better partner for Carter

30:50

Bickels we don't have that

30:52

this season actually now we're going geez I'm all could

30:54

be your star suit back yeah so that sort of

30:57

personifies almost how far we're

30:59

falling in terms of squad time but

31:02

here's the positive on that to Jim's point that we get through

31:05

at the end of the season people

31:07

were sort of getting out

31:09

as scales was going to look at us and they're like

31:11

why scales can't they stay there they're all scared of whatever

31:14

but I think it's these

31:16

kids I think Roger sees these guys and thinks

31:18

we're weird chips are down we're up

31:20

against it we're under pressure I

31:22

can rely on these guys maybe

31:25

there's a few that maybe some of the other guys and that's why they're

31:27

getting picked they think scales are best

31:29

set in a half in the world absolutely

31:31

not I think we need to say another

31:33

one absolutely however I get the impression and

31:35

I think goes back to the first class with

31:38

our beta season everyone whenever they were writing us off when

31:40

the scales and wheels you think it's set in a half like

31:42

a vehicle is fine lager lager

31:44

lager lager they say them you

31:47

know these guys ask them you need to

31:49

de-men you need to stand up and be counted yeah

31:52

and I think that if you look

31:54

at Martin O'Neill, Stracken, Lennon,

31:56

Foster Cogley, Rogers these guys have had

31:58

that if I'd stood up for

32:00

them and I had people to rely on and

32:03

I think that's where we spoke

32:05

about it before the command work game.

32:08

I will back home, we get slightly for it because

32:10

we said this very thing. I've been correct Colorado just

32:12

for most of the season but when he

32:14

needs to win, when he's back against the wall

32:16

that's the best version of him. I think that's where we

32:18

can get the results and so far it's

32:20

proved to be correct and I hope it's correct at

32:22

the end of the season. I don't understand the

32:25

Lager-Bjorka thing because that was a massive game

32:28

and he proved to be one mistake in the

32:30

game and almost cost a go but I thought

32:32

he was really really good that day. I don't

32:34

understand how he's been treated since and it's very

32:36

fit. It's also I think that must be a

32:38

person, there must be something. Between

32:55

him and the explosions maybe there's no like

32:57

his attitude maybe or something because I agree

33:08

with you. Even I think, was it

33:10

a game of kimono as well? I think it was a

33:12

final score but it was another

33:15

game of kimono and it done really well with a

33:17

shaky start. I don't think it's what it's doing

33:19

at all and I don't understand that one. That's

33:21

why I think it must be a mentality thing.

33:24

That's why I was saying I think it was

33:27

handicapped ourselves. He

33:30

was a good big centre half and given him

33:32

a game to see what he's like

33:34

because the manager thought Nat Phillips was

33:37

a better option. So you then say well do

33:39

we just shouldn't we say that half and you think Nat Phillips is

33:42

a better man? So any of

33:44

that's what they want. No, it's

33:46

again I don't think it is Jim. We'll

33:48

start off in that position though because one

33:50

of the big questions, one of the big

33:52

decisions facing Brian Rodgers ahead of the trip

33:54

to Dundee which is going to be

33:56

the second fixture in terms of the

33:58

tight race anyway on the team. Sunday at three o'clock

34:01

will be who partners Kamrin Karthivik or Centre

34:03

half. So you brought the point up, Brian,

34:06

and I think that, you know, we do

34:08

talk about Stafford, but you're right, he was

34:10

criticized whilst he was here, right? And I

34:12

think the thing that handicapped

34:14

Stafford was the fact that he wasn't

34:16

a natural left-sided defender, and he

34:18

was always playing on the left-hand side. And often,

34:20

I felt that he was second-guessing himself, he took

34:22

an extra touch because he had to get a

34:25

strong foot, he had to change his body shape

34:27

at times. And I don't think that worked in

34:29

his favour, yet he had a brilliant partnership with

34:31

Karthivik. And now we're looking at a

34:33

situation where, although we brought in three, as

34:36

Jim Wright says, you forget sometimes that

34:38

Nat Phillips came in, Lagerbierch, Novrozki, we

34:41

brought in three. Stafford's been replaced by

34:43

Liam Scales. Now, if

34:45

going into the preseason, Lloyd,

34:48

you were told that the table winners were going

34:50

to replace, they were going to sell Stafford, right?

34:52

Get your money back, we're a wee bit of

34:54

profit, and we're going to play Scales there. I

34:57

don't think many Celtic fans would have been happy with

34:59

that. I don't think anyone would have seen it as

35:01

progressive. On the flip side, not

35:03

to be negative, I think Liam Scales has had

35:05

what could only be described as a breakthrough season

35:07

for him, in terms of Celtic, has been discussed.

35:09

And this is where I'm going to go back

35:12

to Brian's point, this is where I think he

35:14

always plays. He's been discussed by Brendan

35:16

Rodgers as being something of

35:19

a unique situation in his entire coaching

35:21

career. It's like the best example of

35:24

the scenario that he's ever seen in his

35:26

Liam Scales. He obviously regards him as somebody

35:28

he can rely on, but there are few

35:30

he's there like. And we saw him again

35:32

against Aberdeen, and it is a big concern

35:35

for me. I mean, Dundee can target that

35:37

left-hand side just like Aberdeen did. Dundee, you're

35:39

a better side than Aberdeen. Yeah,

35:41

exactly. That's the thing. I think

35:43

it comes down to Brendan Trust's Scales

35:46

more than what he does in Novrozki

35:48

or Lagerbierch in that aspect,

35:50

because, did you quite rightly say that Scales

35:52

has basically played most of the season? So,

35:55

obviously Brendan's seen things on the training

35:57

ground, a lot of characteristics and mentality.

35:59

the yeah

36:04

it does have some

36:06

defensive frailties but

36:09

it also makes up in other areas as well is

36:11

it good at covering the tailors? yeah

36:17

but the thing is

36:20

they're always going to be critical one way

36:22

or another because we all know

36:24

Katarvickers is the best defender but

36:26

very rarely when he makes a mistake we don't

36:28

know Katarzaj's time either but

36:31

it's always a partner I guess it's always your

36:33

staff help, scales so

36:35

on so on so to me yeah scales

36:38

well played because once again they had

36:41

a bad game last weekend Brendan thrown

36:43

back in he trusts him and

36:46

basically he's got a chance to redeem himself for

36:48

the last week see that's

36:50

a good point Lloyd right because apparently

36:52

against that Brendan Katarvickers did not have

36:54

a good game and after the match

36:56

I went on about how great he

36:58

was right and it's one of these

37:00

things Jim you do have biases as

37:03

a football fan as a Celtic fan they get

37:05

picked up on pretty quickly in the comment section

37:07

because you've got a great cross section right now

37:09

we've got 1200 I'm

37:11

going to say Celtic fans in the comment section sometimes there's

37:13

a few trolls let's look through the net

37:16

and there's a great cross section

37:18

Jim of Celtic supporters to get an

37:20

idea of what the feeling is around

37:22

a certain player or a certain performance

37:24

so after the game against Aberdeen I

37:27

thought Katarvickers had been like a warrior

37:29

throwing his body on the line blocking

37:31

things winning headers and balls off

37:33

the line but very quickly I realized

37:35

everybody else disagreed with me so that's a

37:37

bias I must have Jim whereby Katarvickers never

37:39

plays bad it's always his partner that plays

37:41

bad what do you think about scales though

37:43

are we at the point now we've

37:46

got five games in the league Scottish

37:48

Cup final it's all about winning the

37:50

winning might be a battle the winning

37:52

might require us to score three goals

37:55

again if I've already noticed and mentioned

37:58

because we do have the filters at the back James it's too

38:00

late to do anything other than playscales? I

38:03

don't think it's too late. I think the

38:06

big issue this year has not been defence has been

38:08

attack. It's the fact that missing

38:10

chances after chances after chances are out, defence has been

38:12

a worry. In terms of numbers of goals lost or

38:15

that kind of stuff. Just

38:17

getting back on the staff field was the habit. It was

38:19

much more lame. That was a big support to the staff

38:21

field. You've got a mistake in them. But what do you

38:23

see in the line? You see it's a line used

38:26

out of defence. It didn't suit Andrew's system.

38:29

We had to prove it to the ball. I thought he

38:32

was much behind. He always proved

38:34

he's best players. I like

38:37

Naroski. I think what feels Naroski is a

38:39

bit more physicality than Liam Skeels.

38:41

He proved the ball much quicker than

38:43

Liam Skeels. I think there's another sneaking

38:47

goal in the derby. He was a guy that

38:49

hit the ball really quickly through in one of

38:51

the two paraglides in Banquil. He scored so high.

38:54

Those three are best players. If he can't last 90

38:56

minutes then give him 70 minutes. My

39:00

asset to this is always are

39:03

the players who play for selfie too

39:05

good to play for other sports teams?

39:08

You know, so, Carter Rickles, he's

39:10

too good to play for him. He's too good to play for

39:12

Aberdeen. Yeah, if you'll go, yeah, yeah. Liam Skeels? Yeah.

39:16

Don't think he's too good to play for him than Aberdeen. Nothing

39:18

against the ball. I

39:20

think he's been amending this season and he's been called a

39:22

point for most of the season here.

39:24

We do need a wee bit better. I

39:27

get tactically, what's the tactics? Because it

39:29

was last week, nobody stopped the cross.

39:32

Come on in. You take off James Forrest. Right, why don't

39:34

they guide the ball to space in harmony?

39:37

So it's not always down to the

39:40

defenders. It's how you shape up and how

39:42

you do things. It's something

39:45

like, you don't defend as much as you defend other

39:47

teams. There's good defenders that

39:49

play for other teams who do a job for

39:51

selfie and we find it difficult because

39:54

although, I can say, there's nothing to stand

39:56

up as well as put out the good this season. I mean,

39:58

look at the defensive, that's right. the face of it,

40:00

which pretty well, I think. You

40:03

know, that on balance I

40:05

think they do okay. I mean, it's a pretty good team,

40:07

so it's far superior to them when they're putting the

40:09

big two. There's a lot of goals.

40:11

There's not many absolute hammerings of teams these

40:13

days, they won't give me a name, but they

40:16

descend pretty well. So that's always been

40:18

a kill yourself for certain because of the way they've still to

40:20

play. It's always been a kill

40:22

yourself. Again, I give back

40:24

to this acting youth,

40:26

the Peyton Leisure. I don't think who was

40:28

brought there should be there, but

40:30

they are there and that's what it is and there's only

40:33

five games to go. So I think Naros

40:37

is the better player, the way

40:39

the manager thinks that Skier's going to get that

40:41

partnership with Carter Vickers and that's the least riskier

40:45

thing of the two. So we

40:47

probably will be able to skew, but as

40:50

you say, we're suspecting doing that left hand

40:52

side and that's a concern. I just think

40:55

if we're afraid the players do the business,

40:57

then if you were to go to

40:59

the squad for the five, I think that's

41:02

been the big concern this season

41:04

for me. Yeah, and you made

41:06

a point there Jim, regarding the actual through

41:08

ball, stop that and the danger

41:10

is averted. And I don't think we're very good

41:12

at that if made, there's not an the wing

41:14

in terms of the wing play. Palma,

41:17

for example, giving that ball away cheaply, it's

41:19

not a dig just for the sake of

41:21

a dig at Palma because I don't think

41:23

he's got that mentality whereby, Brian, you spoke

41:25

about it, there's going to be an

41:27

occasion in the next six games where, let's

41:29

say we go behind and

41:31

we're sitting 65, 70 minutes into a game and we're one

41:35

nothing down. I would expect because of what

41:37

we've seen based on what Jim says, based

41:39

on our knowledge of this team, I would

41:41

expect in the next six games for us

41:43

to be facing that situation 65,

41:45

70 minutes in and it's at

41:47

that point Brian, that you're looking at every

41:49

single one of your players to be this

41:51

warrior that Liam Scales spoke about in the

41:53

first Glasgow Derby where in terms of the

41:55

defence, we were so short at the back

41:58

for central defenders that we had to seen

42:00

an emergency defender and even he was injured

42:02

when the game came round and we had

42:04

to have warriors. There's some players

42:06

that don't think I've got that in them.

42:08

Now I'm not saying they never will, it's

42:11

something that can be implemented as part of

42:13

our culture at a football club. You know

42:15

dressing room culture on the training pitch on

42:17

a daily basis where if you're the odd

42:19

one out you then become obviously if you're

42:21

going to stay there you need to embrace

42:23

that culture and become that warrior or that

42:25

winner. There's at the moment one

42:27

or two players I don't think have got that

42:29

in their mentality. Is it a case

42:31

of just don't play them for the next five

42:33

league games in the Scottish Cup final? Is it a

42:35

case of use the players that

42:38

you know? They might not necessarily be as gifted as

42:40

some of these guys I'm talking about but you know

42:42

that they're going to do a job and you know

42:44

that they're not going to hide. In

42:46

a scenario like that one I just mentioned. 100%

42:50

and I suspect

42:52

that's entirely what we do.

42:54

In terms of just quite likely what the

42:56

lame skills thing. I think he's been really let down

42:59

by the midfield and by Taylor to be

43:01

fair because he's very exposed

43:03

as well. So yes I

43:05

agree with Jim. I don't think he's what

43:08

you want moving forward but

43:10

I think you know he's

43:12

done well considering because I think Taylor's been

43:14

poor this season. I think Yang is

43:17

awful if I'm honest. I don't think he's got it.

43:20

I know people quite like him. I

43:22

don't see it and when me

43:24

there's no claim to your point Paul that

43:26

less easily exposed and

43:28

if you watch it Taylor and that's more

43:31

than Johnson does. There's a lot of things

43:33

it's scaled. He's getting doubled up upon and

43:35

he's coming to do his best. So I

43:37

think he's done well considering and I think

43:39

that's probably why Ben did things. He's

43:42

the guy that's going to fit because I also agree

43:45

with Jim that I think Nirozki is

43:47

the better player. I actually quite like

43:49

him. I think he's a player in

43:51

there but I understand why Rodgers would

43:53

pick scales because he might go on and on.

43:56

To your point when we're up against this here

43:58

when the pressure's on these guys can hand it. And

44:01

that's why I think if neither can't

44:03

start against Dundee, it has to be Forrest

44:05

starting. For

44:07

me, I've been

44:09

saying a few things before

44:12

it should start. I

44:14

wanted to call the Select Support Club

44:16

down here with Jimmy Forrest, CSE, who

44:19

I think is a legend and deserves a bit of recognition. But

44:23

I think he should start because, yeah,

44:25

he might not have the legs, but he's

44:27

so clever and he does get the ball, he

44:29

still has his out ball, he's underrated

44:31

for his strength as well, he's a

44:33

strong player, he can hold it up and when he

44:36

picks a pass, it normally

44:38

lands. He knows the

44:40

riskiest of players, he was more calculated

44:42

in this passing, so I would have him and

44:44

I think I would

44:46

be comfortable if these guys

44:48

were in there, almost battle hard in, that

44:51

would lead that experience to say, yeah, if

44:53

two goes down and it first 20 minutes,

44:55

there's plenty of time. I don't

44:57

want to cut that down to go

44:59

down. No,

45:02

but I get in that scenario, you want guys that are,

45:05

you know what I mean? Look at the, what do

45:09

you call it, the semi-final there.

45:12

So I thought I would need to have massive credit, well,

45:15

see me getting a goal early, I'll

45:18

be starting attacking, and you go, it's only

45:20

a goal, it's early, but that happened in the 80th

45:22

minute, and then at 1-0, you

45:25

need guys that are going to find, they're still playing

45:27

at a time here, no guys that are panicking, we're not going to

45:29

get them all quickly, and it costs, you know, and this is what

45:31

I mean, and that's why I think guys look like forest

45:34

and the sort of thirsty guys should

45:36

and will play for, again, provided me

45:38

there's no threat for the rest of the

45:40

games. Could you, I think you have to, I

45:42

do think you do, because the pressure's

45:44

going to be insane, and even against Dun

45:46

D, right, say, we

45:49

go, and it's a decent team, the boy McCown

45:52

is a good player for them. I watched him against

45:54

Rangers, he was excellent at that one, and they

45:56

played really well down to his efficient side, they

45:58

we go there, and it's, you know, We're

46:01

no score, there are no goals. That's

46:03

a lot of pressure because you can't slip up now.

46:07

They've got a lot of grief for dropping points in their mentality.

46:10

We need to make sure we win and

46:12

you can't panic and you can't flat and you've got to see

46:14

it out. So it might be with charity but

46:16

we've got a big idea that we

46:19

can bend the trenches with and we can align each other even

46:22

if they're not the most talented footballers at the club. Being

46:25

in the trenches, I mean, again, I've said this

46:27

so many times talking to people in football. I've

46:29

never been in a competitive dressing room but to

46:31

be able to look to your left and your

46:33

right and know that they guys, you can rely

46:35

on them, Brian, and that breeds that confidence going

46:37

into these games. I don't want to

46:40

write players off just for the sake

46:42

of writing them off but I've not seen any

46:44

of that mentality in the likes of Yang, like

46:46

you say. My only concern with regards to Forrest

46:48

is what Brendan said about these minutes from the

46:50

park. And by the way, I know

46:52

that 32 is not old. Even for a footballer

46:55

now in modern times, you look at a lot

46:57

of these players playing right into their late 30s

47:00

but he has had a lot of injuries, hasn't

47:02

he, over the years, over the 15 seasons now

47:04

that he's been played for Celtic. So I don't

47:06

know if he'll start. I would love to be

47:08

able to start him and play him for the

47:10

first hour he ever gained. And then you bring

47:12

in on maybe Palma or Yang to come in

47:14

and then run it a tired defender because I

47:16

still think they're a bit wet behind the ears

47:19

to tour him. So I would love

47:21

that the Forrest, that we know and

47:23

we know he can make that impact. I'd love him to start

47:25

but I think it's going to be flipped and he'll be the

47:27

guy to come on for the last 30 minutes

47:30

unfortunately. And when he does, he can make an

47:32

impact. They've got brilliant wee message

47:34

for you. Palma, mine is a probably already there,

47:36

but on me, the point of Maeda is that

47:38

quick that his hamstring probably healed before he pulled

47:40

it because Brendan Rodgers

47:43

has revealed that Maeda has

47:45

made a miraculous recovery from

47:49

his injury and although they're not expecting him to

47:51

be in a squad this weekend, he is coming

47:53

back before you know it. Who do we play

47:55

in his place? So that's a big question. We

47:57

spoke about scales and I think most of us...

48:00

we're agreeing that you play him because let's

48:02

be honest right he is he has got the

48:04

mentality that you're talking about there are fealty to

48:06

his game and maybe more of a

48:08

risk to throw in a replacement unless can i just

48:10

say this guys unless it's Welsh

48:13

i think you know what i think Welsh alongside

48:15

Katar Vickers you don't even notice he's

48:18

there and that's a good thing he just kind of

48:20

mops up he does his job but

48:22

in any case i'm going to go with

48:24

scales what about the replacement for me either

48:26

the loyd or start with yourself we've got

48:28

quite a few options there we've spoken about

48:30

mentality versus he's uh Paul's dropped

48:33

out there has that just one way

48:35

guys have i please well

48:43

yeah who's that

48:45

you go for um that's

48:47

a great question because i'm keenest

48:50

now i mean i like yang i don't know why

48:52

i like yang but it's

48:56

i just don't see what he brings

48:58

to his team because to me he just loses the ball of

49:00

course anytime he goes forward near that

49:02

final third he loses the ball tries

49:05

all the flexing tracks and

49:07

just doesn't do anything tracking back palma palma

49:10

is so inconsistent it's unbelievable

49:13

yeah crops up where i go on assist now and

49:15

again but once again

49:17

i don't see anything his game where

49:21

it excites me watching him as a footballer

49:23

so and i

49:26

get Brian's point obviously in James Forest but i

49:28

don't see James Forest being the

49:30

man who can start the game last

49:33

a full 90 minutes because

49:35

he's aged and obviously the history

49:37

of injuries so he

49:39

kind of first up just between yang and palma at

49:41

the minute whilst my hair is out so

49:47

if you're really going to pick one you probably would pick palma

49:50

on that aspect just because what he can

49:52

create in a game nothing

49:54

but he's not to me he's not an exciting footballer watch

49:56

at all right guys i don't know

49:58

how that was for you but you

50:00

all just rose and for a few moments I

50:02

was thinking to myself he's were just listening intently

50:05

to what I was saying but

50:07

then it became clear that you couldn't hear me

50:09

so brilliant you just ran with it that's tremendous

50:13

Jim I guess also the conversation we

50:15

need to be why we're not talking about Coon because

50:17

it seems as though he's guaranteed a jersey when we're

50:19

talking about the wingers because we're only talking about the

50:21

left hand side So

50:24

if we play the best team, I

50:26

gave it Brian to go back to my

50:28

personality you go for the course and distance

50:30

when I was a new artist, a forest

50:33

is better than you need to

50:36

a Yang and you need to a Palmer. He showed

50:38

last week he came on and he did with Yang,

50:40

he showed the ball, he got it, the ball won

50:42

it, people were caught and seen, it

50:44

makes things happen. I mean Yang was completely

50:47

inefficient last week. I think Yang is

50:50

a bit over-reward with

50:52

things playing a big club like Celtic, I think he's

50:54

a guy that maybe if you give him half a

50:56

dozen games on the throw it you

50:59

might see something happen but we can't afford to give him half a

51:01

dozen games on the throw it. I

51:03

think Palmer thinks he's made it,

51:05

that's the kind of impression I get, he's a

51:07

big club and he can do

51:09

his insta and his tic-toe and he's getting a

51:11

lot of money. You know we're on insta now

51:13

Jim by the way. Is that a good thing?

51:16

Hello Insta. We're on insta. We

51:18

might have made it, who knows? I was

51:20

in Palmer. But yeah, I

51:23

think Yang, you know

51:25

I think it's difficult, I think he's a lot overwhelmed by it

51:28

because of the painting on him and

51:30

he's not had that before. Palmer, as

51:32

I said, I think he's just a bit

51:35

too big for his boots at the moment, can't depend

51:37

on it. But James Forrest can come on last week,

51:39

change the game, basically up to then. What we

51:41

do need in his last such games is intensity

51:44

and pace and going out. We can't afford

51:47

to play the real play

51:49

most of the season, but let's tippy tappy

51:51

around the back. We

51:53

can't do that. If we do that, we

51:55

don't want to be deserved. Let's win the

51:58

league because we should in that 20. 25

52:00

minutes after James Forest went last week, we could

52:02

have scored three or four and finished the game.

52:05

And that's where we got to start the

52:07

game against Dundee. Forest would be all day

52:10

long. And if we do tie that out in

52:12

Yang and Palmer, it's the best I've ever done it, people,

52:15

albeit fine. Coon, I think Coon has actually

52:17

done really well. Good

52:19

buffs at speed. Got

52:21

the goal last week. Looks like a pretty

52:23

confident dude. I think he's okay, he's just

52:25

sick of him for that right hand side.

52:30

And Forest certainly for the left. But you have to

52:32

play, as you said earlier, the ones

52:34

we think we can depend on, and you can always depend

52:36

on James Forest, you can always depend on him. We can't

52:38

depend on Palmer, we can't depend on Yang. I think

52:41

if we're on different teams at different stages, then you're very

52:43

different players. Right, if Yang can't, if Angie's team wants you,

52:45

or if Palmer can't if

52:48

Angie's team wants you, they'd be different. But

52:51

we're depending on them this year. There's so many

52:53

games, because of the so inconsistent, and

52:55

we can't particularly play two halfs of football, there's

52:58

been bits of the game where we've really

53:00

depended on you, Palmer, we've really been on Yang,

53:02

and they haven't really stepped up

53:05

to the mark, I think. So that's

53:07

my concern. The mark always comes to the fact

53:09

that Ben's isn't that great, you know,

53:11

who would you bring him?

53:14

He's a, he's a

53:16

watter, nobody comes on to help show up again,

53:18

but we don't have the workers we

53:20

had before, and that's a concern again, back

53:23

to recruitment and who I've signed and

53:25

whatnot, but we couldn't, yeah. Couldn't for me definitely,

53:27

I think it's pretty well last few games, like

53:29

pretty well last week, and James

53:31

on the left, that's how they

53:33

picked themselves. I'd be astonished if

53:36

he doesn't, I'd be annoyed if he

53:38

was with Yang, and he's just as

53:40

ineffective as it was last

53:42

week, or Palmer, because

53:44

he showed last week, and I was

53:46

told, we're just for a store. Because even

53:48

even with Palmer, it just comes up with, say, Palmer, you

53:51

know, and then Palmer then does what Palmer does. Yeah,

53:53

yeah, you're right. See the thing with Coon, what I

53:55

like about him, what I've noticed is that even when

53:58

things aren't working out for him, he never hides. he

54:00

goes again and it's coming back to that mentality

54:03

thing and I think that you know he's maybe

54:05

not got as much tricks as Palmer, he's maybe

54:07

not got that kind of flair although I do

54:09

think that where he's running that a couple of

54:11

defenders it becomes a natural thing for him, he

54:13

seems to kind of slal them through them but

54:16

he's got a character on which I love and

54:18

I'm sure a manager loves that as well you

54:20

know you can rely on him

54:22

to basically dust himself down and get back

54:24

up. He for me starts for the rest

54:27

of the season unless there's a massive drop

54:29

off in form and whenever we

54:31

can use Forest we use them and

54:34

for me all the winners we've spoken about Yangs have brought

54:36

me the cue at the moment for me simply because the

54:39

performance against them, being the performance

54:41

against Rangers nowhere near it.

54:43

Palmer does have something in him where you know what

54:46

he might between the end of the season I would

54:48

even predict that he's going to score an important goal

54:50

for us, he's that type of guy but I don't

54:52

think he's going to have an 80-minute performance that's going

54:54

to get him the man in the match that's where

54:57

I am and of course there's another option just before

54:59

we move on Brian there's another option, he's pushing Kugo

55:01

out there but no counting Kugo's goals this season now,

55:03

it's not like his season has been written off but you

55:06

know play either through the middle, play

55:09

Kugo on the left, I know that

55:11

Kugo doesn't give you the same defensive protection

55:13

of someone like neither but I tell

55:15

you he can link play from midfield to front he's brilliant

55:17

at that. He

55:20

is but I think he's

55:22

wasted, I think if you really

55:24

need him occupying the defenders because a

55:26

lot of it, Kugo's scored as

55:28

many goals this season but what he always does

55:30

is drag people up position he

55:33

always always in midfielders to be creative and give him space

55:35

and give the winger space I think if you put him

55:37

out wide I think he's easy to

55:39

isolate like I think if you're playing him with

55:42

his side-turn he's all over the place you

55:44

can't even mark him, you can't control him I think if you

55:46

put him out wide he can be marked

55:48

out and I would say made I can't because made

55:50

is just pace and power so

55:52

for me I go to disagree there I would

55:55

have Kugo in and I don't think at this stage as

55:58

much as I've been saying the past that it changes shape and stuff I

56:00

don't think you can do it now. I think

56:02

this is what I'm doing, this is every rules

56:04

it needs to be better, it needs to be

56:06

quicker, you get the ball pass it, get the

56:08

ball pass it. So a bit

56:10

more intensity to it but I don't think you can

56:12

tweak it too much now. And

56:15

to be fair if I get it like, he's

56:18

um he's got like an

56:21

air of salmon I suppose and that there's things where

56:23

I think he looks amazing and there's

56:25

things where I go big man how you know what's

56:28

going on. Like he's still frustrated, he don't

56:30

get me wrong, he's no good looking to salmonist but who

56:32

is? But the big fella,

56:34

he just worries me

56:36

slightly and I know he's super young and I do think

56:38

you should sign him by the way but when

56:41

you talk about relying on, I

56:43

think he's better off to being so big man where

56:46

maybe he goes right after you know

56:48

save the day or I just need to ride it

56:50

out. I think start him in shift in curable because

56:53

see we do do that and it's no working, what do you

56:55

do? Then you're back to

56:57

square one again so I'm more horrified thinking

56:59

about that and I think he does a

57:01

better option off the bench but

57:03

for me yoga has to start up front

57:06

and out just because again he

57:09

reminds Scott he's so good at

57:11

defending from the front as well

57:14

and we won't need that. Like to Jim's

57:16

point when Roger took off forest against

57:19

Aberdeen, I couldn't believe it, I

57:21

think I put in the ax on group chat

57:23

a few split-tips about it actually, I thought it

57:25

was crazy decision and then obviously it turned out

57:27

that way because Aberdeen scored and

57:30

I just think if you're a cute duo

57:32

up there, you take him off, the defenders and

57:34

the other team just go all

57:36

right if things just go a

57:38

wee bit easier and we're in a

57:41

position with these games to go which will be

57:43

hard games and will be 10 games

57:47

but no room for error. So

57:49

it wasn't the first mad substitution of the

57:51

season in another tournament. If it was that

57:53

game last Saturday, people were creating that why

57:55

would you do that, why would you do

57:57

that all that space and world. You

58:00

go to suffer. The voice. Of. In the

58:02

pros because of. The. Stay or

58:04

civil, the season and the food way out

58:06

of have and the fights. it's that all

58:08

games people vote says that he will keep

58:11

believing he hopes and game to do with

58:13

mignon chances so I agree that dying yup

58:15

the always that fuel. And

58:18

the size of the chances in a school. And

58:21

corrected. Password. To not the

58:23

first how to do that so that game

58:25

just make him chances new school and are

58:27

you don't is will a thing even even

58:29

pretty good is is. A. Lot

58:31

better I thought he was gonna be. A

58:34

happy to have skivvies to the last minute To the board

58:36

you just. Choose

58:39

a coincidence season by the name of that

58:41

is why I books and enemies and standing.

58:44

He. Ran in school, degree go something

58:46

that's what you that you. See.

58:49

of this a bit nonstop and given him what has

58:51

taught to say we give them. To.

58:55

A thumbs up with a lot of he said

58:57

i'm a lot of Musketeer voicemail be feel like

58:59

I think you will although I thought the. Yada.

59:02

Yada without setting on you'll get you'll see with

59:04

a make your what was going to mention on

59:06

the back against point their brain was the fact

59:08

that ah we have a about trackable a taylor

59:10

Taylor's moffat this some everybody knows a bit of

59:12

a cause he through the arms often he's got

59:14

the glamorous notice I see eye to it's also

59:16

a lot late kill what doesn't. And

59:18

see this the station he must feel it

59:21

seems when is mixed in the runway and

59:23

is no been fine I remember there was

59:25

a a commercial the sleeps on the opposite

59:27

ends of the should hear that one's cuba

59:29

was make him and nobody was back in

59:31

the votes as it so I took a

59:33

leave it up at a had of a

59:35

single give up on with whom used as

59:37

a form team the seems to me so

59:39

there's a dozen voices june again nobody pa

59:41

system and be modest. Again,

59:44

he was overshadowed of the school doesn't get Sanyo

59:46

Yes, that's why we need to ask a. Bit

59:49

of players at the back to business boomed who

59:51

had and to to become. A reply

59:53

the thought the isn't you must have a hoof with

59:55

the last fighting was he a few years have won

59:57

the toss if you will use of his. being

1:00:00

tuned with Kyogo as well. And that's what

1:00:02

we need. And that's what he's missed is.

1:00:04

It's not like he's had a bad team,

1:00:06

but because it was such a

1:00:08

much, much better season they could more serve us. See,

1:00:11

this is another thing that came out of this

1:00:14

chat with Brendan, right? Was the fact that it

1:00:16

was raised in relation to that gym, the fact

1:00:18

that Kyogo's not been getting found the way that

1:00:20

he had been when we had the

1:00:22

likes of Jota on the wing. And

1:00:25

actually it seemed from a fan's perspective that

1:00:27

it was almost as if we were playing

1:00:29

the wingers differently and it was affecting Kyogo.

1:00:31

I remember having a conversation on here many

1:00:33

times, it was like, you know, we've killed

1:00:36

Kyogo because the services dried up. And

1:00:38

Brendan and Roger stated that this is not

1:00:40

something that they have tried to implement. They've

1:00:42

not tried to change the

1:00:44

role of the wingers. And in actual fact,

1:00:46

the coaches are working really hard with them,

1:00:48

telling them it's not about cutting and it's

1:00:51

about doing that. So I thought that was

1:00:53

interesting as well because we're now cutting into

1:00:55

the end of April. They're still doing it. So

1:00:57

if you're a coach and you're telling somebody on

1:00:59

a training pitch day in day out, go

1:01:01

and stop doing that, right? Because the wee man's making that

1:01:04

run and I want you to do it this way. Go

1:01:06

hit the line, bring it. If they're not

1:01:08

doing it now, that concerns me about the

1:01:10

quality of the wingers. I've been impressed with

1:01:12

Kyun and I've been impressed with Eda. I

1:01:14

think there's been a different sense of the

1:01:16

signings that came in in January compared to

1:01:18

the ones in the summer. And I think

1:01:20

sitting here with no one anything yet, right?

1:01:22

So I'm not cutting my chickens. But some

1:01:24

of the moments that Eda has been involved

1:01:26

in so far, you think of the two

1:01:28

penalties at Easter Road, you think about the

1:01:30

two goals against Motherwell, the goal against Rangers,

1:01:33

even stepping up as a young guy,

1:01:35

relatively, to take that penalty, the first penalty, whilst

1:01:37

he was injured, he hobbled away. I think he's

1:01:39

shown a lot of courage and he's shown enough

1:01:42

for me that I would be interested in signing

1:01:44

him. I've no idea what the fee's going to

1:01:46

be. Listen, I'm sorry for the commenters. I've not

1:01:48

brought as many up as I would have liked.

1:01:50

So I'm going to concentrate on them for a

1:01:52

moment. Pete McGee wearing

1:01:55

a vintage. on

1:02:00

the comment then I was telling them I'm

1:02:02

missing. Bring me back, just run with the

1:02:04

ice cream. All right guys, I'm back. Drive

1:02:08

with you, good chance. Sorry,

1:02:10

people just quiet, bug me as I start the zone.

1:02:12

I roll, 1300 life, Pete

1:02:14

McGee, CCV and staff that didn't lose when they

1:02:16

started together, tells you all you need to know.

1:02:18

I think the message that they had that record.

1:02:20

They tell you all you need to know about

1:02:22

the Carter Vickers. Yeah. Because

1:02:25

the staff at the last few games when the Carter Vickers was to play. The

1:02:27

thing is Brian, I call it the Van

1:02:30

Dyke Effect. It's clear that whoever's playing with

1:02:32

Carter Vickers is kind of like the second

1:02:34

in command, if you like, right? He's always

1:02:36

going to bring the levels up. But

1:02:39

we can buy somebody that compliments Carter

1:02:41

Vickers a wee bit better. Yeah. I

1:02:43

think we can. Part

1:02:45

O, I do not, I

1:02:48

did not go to Middlesbrough Sea because my

1:02:50

girlfriend was miss world. What a wasted opportunity.

1:02:53

Well, come on, to play the

1:02:55

World Cup. He will be forever

1:02:57

known as one of the greatest players never to play,

1:02:59

as will Jinkie, even though he was in the squad

1:03:01

gym, wasn't he? He wasn't used. Was

1:03:04

it the 74 World Cup gym? Yeah.

1:03:06

Yeah. Yeah. The

1:03:08

Maltese Falcon. But see, that's

1:03:11

a great name. Now is the time for the

1:03:13

quality stellar signing statement of intent. I'm talking about

1:03:15

bringing in. Well, you go Brian in

1:03:17

his hands. Go, go, go, go, go. Go Brian now. Go Brian.

1:03:20

I was talking about bringing in at least a buy.

1:03:22

You're going to pay at least five signings. No, that

1:03:24

is right. You're right. At least five signings and decent

1:03:26

wife buy. That's what we need in

1:03:28

the summer. Critanium time. Great night

1:03:30

last night, guys. Thanks for coming along. Martin

1:03:32

didn't disappoint. For people of my vintage, Martin

1:03:34

changed it up here and it's never changed

1:03:37

apart from a few wee blips here. And

1:03:39

you're absolutely right. And what I'm going to

1:03:41

say on the Instagram, bar

1:03:43

is that design I've actually tuned in to be a big shout out

1:03:45

to you guys because their staff was

1:03:48

brilliant. The venue is

1:03:50

outstanding. Even if

1:03:52

it's not a sell to late at night, go and

1:03:54

visit them on Matt's day or if you're in the

1:03:56

area. They are just behind

1:03:59

the court. called Calton entry, they're just

1:04:01

behind the Barris line.

1:04:03

You go and play a pyramid

1:04:06

visit, absolutely brilliant. Rogers wanted power.

1:04:09

Rogers wanted power. Brian,

1:04:12

good Brian. Rogers wanted power.

1:04:19

See what happens, if I die out, Brian

1:04:21

just jumps in and saves my bacon. So

1:04:23

there we go. How's it

1:04:25

going again? Good, everything comes back in.

1:04:30

I know, so it's a curse. I think it's a good time

1:04:32

to wind up anyway, James, that's just over there. I will. I

1:04:35

can't. I can't. You wind up where everybody

1:04:38

laughs at me. So, Loy, thanks

1:04:40

for your support. Thanks

1:04:42

for running with it. Obviously, somebody's

1:04:44

playing a PS5 somewhere next door. But we

1:04:46

will wrap it up there and we will

1:04:49

be back for the match day as well.

1:04:51

We've had an hour before kickoff against

1:04:54

Dundee. I've got to thank 13 to 1400

1:04:56

of you for tuning in live. And

1:04:59

whatever the issue is, I'll get that sorted out from

1:05:01

this end. Join us again for

1:05:03

the match day. Enjoy your weekend. Thank you to

1:05:06

Brian, Jim and Loy for joining me on a

1:05:08

Celtic State of Mind. Bye.