0:08

us return once more to a more civilized

0:11

age of Clone Wars Podcast. I'm Rob Zachary

0:13

joined by Ali Arapora, Austin Walker, and Natalie

0:15

Watson. This The day before is

0:17

always hard. Andrew tells us at

0:19

one of the tenses moments in today's

0:21

episode, the asks for guests. And if

0:23

the accumulation of out frustration and fear

0:26

that ties this week's

0:27

plot lines together before what

0:29

will be presumably a climactic

0:31

rate on the Imperial payroll next

0:34

week. Not

0:36

much necessary

0:38

plot advancement happens in

0:40

all of that, but in watching all

0:43

these like fears suspicions work

0:45

on these characters. I think

0:47

we we see a lot of great character

0:49

establishment and and world building

0:52

detail. I would say that

0:54

the seeds of distrust and frustration are

0:56

sown most densely among the

0:59

rebels themselves who are concluding their

1:01

preparations and who march

1:03

the operations jumping off point while Andor

1:05

is tested by

1:07

by skiing, prostylatized by

1:10

nerdy little mimic. he

1:13

shows up different members of the

1:15

band during their final preparation, and

1:17

I am pretty sure he thinks about shooting

1:19

his shot with Centa. lieutenant

1:22

Goren spends a solid final day with

1:24

his garrison of board and lazy imperial

1:27

soldiers playing a role and letting him

1:29

be manipulated by his recalcitrant

1:31

charges in order to further

1:34

his own secret designs against them.

1:36

our various ISB officers continue marking

1:38

time in bureaucratic territory while

1:40

waiting for their vague sense of

1:43

threat to democratize. Meanwhile,

1:45

down in the thickets of concrete

1:47

and steel towers, serial car and salts while

1:49

enduring the hand pecking and admonishments

1:52

of his mother. when Malcolm's

1:54

double life is revealed, or at least

1:56

it's underlined to be something of a

1:58

triple life where the secret dissident

2:00

and wealthy liberal senator, both

2:02

appear be personas that had been built up

2:05

at the expense of a relationship with

2:07

family. And Louthan brewed

2:09

on the upcoming operation waiting to hear

2:11

news and suspecting that he gave too

2:13

much information to maintain

2:16

his his own safety. By the end

2:18

of the episode, not,

2:21

like, the plot has advanced right up until,

2:23

like, the eve of the actual strike.

2:26

But

2:28

mostly what has been served is

2:32

outlining again who these people

2:34

are and and what world do they inhabit.

2:37

So how does how does all land with

2:39

you?

2:40

Well, my

2:43

first note is

2:46

Just, like,

2:47

the first five minutes of this

2:50

episode were just absolute

2:53

delicious content for

2:55

me personally. And I

2:58

would just it's I just think they're they're

3:00

truly

3:00

Why do you need to read sorry, Natalie. I'm gonna

3:02

need you to read your actual first note. I don't know

3:04

what it is. I wanna know. You

3:07

you made this you phrased it in

3:09

a way where you were gonna your note, and then

3:11

you read your first note, and then you're like,

3:13

I'll just summarize. So I'd like to know what your

3:15

first quote is, your first note. I'll

3:17

give you a lot too. Okay. It's

3:22

Yeah. Okay.

3:29

Serial Carter's u

3:33

Mine

3:33

is Karn's little

3:35

twin bed, his puffy face

3:38

and red eyes. and then

3:40

it's Italian mom confirmed

3:43

eight exclamation points.

3:46

Ali, do you also have a note?

3:48

the

3:49

Mine says, my dear fellow

3:52

man, terrible boy.

3:53

Oh, yeah. Here here is my note.

3:56

the brief moment of natural sunlight

3:59

that kinda sets

4:00

us up.

4:01

I

4:05

we should do we should do, like,

4:07

a moment no comparison. And

4:09

and this is very good. We found

4:11

a really good the

4:14

the thing is, in the past, I don't think

4:17

the shows we've been the show we've been watching

4:19

would not support such a

4:22

compelling exchange -- Exactly.

4:24

-- of notes, but this

4:27

opening moment of broken domesticity.

4:29

One of many in this episode.

4:32

Yeah. This whole episode is just

4:34

bad families everywhere. If

4:36

you especially if you count if a rebellion could

4:38

be a family -- Yeah. --

4:40

it's just bad family vibes

4:42

and, like, people trying to

4:44

figure out how to be get

4:46

through the fucking world surrounded by people they don't

4:49

trust or don't like. Mhmm.

4:51

And it starts with a bowl of cereal

4:53

and blue milk. man. God,

4:55

the fucking serial

4:57

dude. It's a little,

4:59

like, a little cop. Heave

5:00

the little garlic C Puff

5:03

p. It's it's

5:05

just so and what I love

5:07

about the cereal is that it's

5:09

still there. Then, like,

5:12

when we when we advance further

5:14

and we come back to them. So he's

5:16

still sitting at the table -- Oh. --

5:18

untouched cereal. Still

5:20

like -- Oh. -- it's so good.

5:22

It's so it's so I

5:25

think they're they're trying it's almost as

5:27

if they're trying harder to

5:29

paint a parallel with

5:31

like, our real domestic, you know,

5:33

like -- Mhmm. -- human beings

5:35

on earth domesticists. We know

5:37

that scene. We know the scene at the breakfast

5:39

table with the untouched food

5:42

and and the quiet just

5:45

hate familial hatred,

5:48

we know that. And

5:50

I I love that are using the, like,

5:52

the symbol of the untouched cocoa

5:54

puff cereal here that

5:56

is so recognizable to us.

5:59

And they, you know, they put a

6:01

Star Wars skin on it in a way,

6:03

but it's still The

6:05

thing is that Star Wars The

6:07

original trilogy is defined by

6:11

little moments of they're just like

6:13

us. Mhmm. Like Luke

6:15

is a farm boy, the

6:17

Cantina is the shitty bar

6:19

that you know. The you're

6:22

playing chess in the in

6:24

the shitty pickup van. that

6:26

your friend you know what I mean? Like, the money

6:28

talking is not a sleek, you know,

6:31

buck Rogers spaceship. Right?

6:33

Mhmm. it is a it

6:35

is a beat up, you know

6:38

-- Yeah. -- held together by duct

6:40

tape and spit. Like, it feels

6:42

real. And now creatures we see on

6:44

dagobah are are real are real

6:46

animal like the snakes and blizzards.

6:48

Yeah. A hundred percent. There's a snake

6:50

in Yoda's house. than that. Yeah. Don't

6:52

remember that, but there was just a fucking snake.

6:54

It's just a normal ass snake there. And

6:57

it's, like, and Yoda's, like, stealing Luke's

6:59

candy bars and ration stuff. You

7:01

know what I mean? There is a Star

7:04

Wars was sold on its ground its sense

7:06

of groundedness, and andor

7:08

feels like it wants to keep that and focus

7:10

on that and make it legible

7:12

for people in twenty twenty who

7:14

don't necessarily live on farms

7:16

as much as they live in, you

7:19

know, public housing or

7:21

in bad,

7:23

you know, upper middle class family

7:25

situations, in the case of my mama's

7:29

shitty vibes. And

7:31

I think that that is core to what Star Wars

7:33

was once. and and it

7:35

got turned into, like,

7:37

a fetishization of, like, rustiness

7:40

and grebels. And it it

7:42

left mind that, like, the actual thing that's

7:44

happening here is the co pilot

7:46

for the for the

7:49

the space ship is a big hairy guy

7:51

who likes to play chess and threatens you

7:53

if you win. Like, that's just normal

7:55

ship. You just know that guy. You

7:57

know? Mhmm. Do we want

7:59

today to stay on plot

8:01

by plot the way we've kind of defaulted to

8:04

doing? I think it's fast.

8:06

I

8:06

think it's best. Because I think

8:08

we wanna talk I mean, I think we can speak

8:10

to some transition moments going

8:13

between story to story, but I think

8:15

it it makes more sense to, yeah, just go

8:17

through the whole plot. So

8:18

what's up with Karen? What's actually happening here?

8:20

Oh my god. So, I mean,

8:23

what like, the detail like,

8:25

honestly, the detail where

8:28

his

8:28

house only gets that minute of sunlight. And I'm

8:30

not even sure if during sunlight, it's glinting

8:32

off of another building his window faces. And,

8:35

like, it is such a grim

8:38

little detail about what life

8:40

is like for people literally at

8:42

that at that stratum.

8:45

Mhmm. And this is Coruscant,

8:47

by the way. The thing happened thought would happen.

8:49

Star Wars dot com put up tribute for last week's

8:51

episode. Mhmm. And one of them was, like, you

8:53

can see here some of the places that are being

8:55

advertised at Court from Coruscant's SpacePort.

8:57

This is that was the Coruscant space port. This is

9:00

Coruscant. I knew it. But

9:02

Damn. Also,

9:03

I am curious. Okay.

9:05

So And it's just like he

9:07

wants out. Right? That's the whole thing.

9:09

Every day he woke up and looked out his

9:11

window and the sun touched his face for

9:13

a moment. and he was like, how do I

9:15

get out of here? And his mom's

9:17

an enormous personality. She's

9:19

like, what's

9:20

implied here is who She loves

9:23

a house. Yes. And

9:25

he cannot make himself small

9:27

enough or high deep enough within it

9:29

to get any sort of privacy. And that

9:31

includes, like, emotional privacy. because

9:33

she does the thing of, like, I am

9:36

going to read to you how you were coming

9:38

across so you can better control it. And here's the

9:40

other thing I wonder. I'll

9:42

call Harlow. This is definitely

9:44

an ex boyfriend who was, like, calm him

9:46

uncle Harlan. Oh, that's not what I mean.

9:48

Alright. What what are you getting? He's

9:50

a

9:50

mobster. He's

9:52

in the mafia. He's

9:54

gonna find you work. We

9:58

can finally call him that favorite Uncle

9:59

Harlow.

10:00

That's this is the other thing he could be is,

10:03

like, mid to high tier Imperial

10:05

bureaucrat. That's what I think. But the

10:07

result is the same. He's gonna find you a

10:09

job moving boxes from one room to

10:11

another room.

10:12

Yeah. He's gonna make sure you're on the

10:14

payroll. I get

10:15

the I get the read that

10:18

that Cheryl and his mom are,

10:20

like,

10:21

not disc like, disgraced

10:24

family members, but, like, are definitely

10:26

like, the other like,

10:29

feel like they're on the other side of the family.

10:31

Like, they're not, like, fully

10:34

as integrated in the rest of the

10:36

family, but they're still claiming

10:38

claiming ties. Yeah. It felt like there was

10:41

almost like an income difference, but between

10:43

-- Mhmm. -- and -- Mhmm. -- and Karen and his mom

10:45

and, like, the supposed uncle of, like,

10:47

oh, we don't talk to them that much, and we be

10:49

asking them more favors than we do, but I have to save

10:51

up this one. She

10:52

specifically calls it the family favor.

10:55

I'll call in the family

10:57

favor, man. That's what say when you go to

10:59

the Godfather. Oh, man. And that is the

11:01

favor owed because dad like,

11:04

Daddy Carne, like, end up

11:06

wearing a pair of shoes. seventy to wash at some

11:08

point. Yeah. Yeah. Or that.

11:10

Right? Yeah. They they She's Italian.

11:16

Literally. And we No Star

11:18

Wars is racist. Yeah. We Oh, no

11:20

wonder. Where's the where's the race We've been

11:22

asking for mom represent we've been asking

11:24

for this. Like, I'm sorry, but

11:26

we manifest in this. We what

11:28

we shouldn't over what we shouldn't I ignored.

11:30

Like, to Rowan, a little bit, Rob, you're talking how

11:32

she's a huge personality, and she sees

11:34

right through him. And he can neither

11:37

he can

11:37

neither puff up up his chest and, like,

11:39

punch back in

11:42

in in dialogue strong enough to

11:44

get her to back off, nor can he

11:46

be small enough. And she just sees

11:48

him constantly. The first thing she says to him, I think

11:50

when she comes in the room, it's telling

11:52

to sit up and then specifically says,

11:54

by

11:54

the time you remember to sit up straight. It's

11:57

too late. She's like, no wonder the thing that

11:59

happened happened. You might as well wear a sign that says I

12:01

promise to disappoint you. Fuck.

12:03

A notable detail. and then the the

12:05

bit about him being, like, why didn't you come

12:07

visit me? Do you wanna do that? And

12:09

and there was always an invitation, and she says an

12:11

open invitation. Any civil ice beam.

12:13

There's an open invitation. There's no invitation

12:15

at all. It's so Right.

12:18

It's set of yeah.

12:19

It's so, like, your mom being,

12:22

like, well, you never you never really asked

12:24

me to come. You didn't you you

12:26

told me to come, but you didn't tell

12:28

me to come

12:29

and be very welcome.

12:31

Right? And

12:32

it's just it's so real because it's

12:34

both it's both things. It's like,

12:37

Yeah. I didn't put the time

12:39

in to call out

12:41

this weekend, come this but I

12:43

also have my shit going on

12:45

mom. Like, I'm

12:46

want you You know

12:47

what I mean? It's just

12:49

Well,

12:51

we all

12:51

love our family and we all want to be

12:54

with our families. And also -- Yeah.

12:56

-- sometimes

12:56

you're a mid level cop

12:59

on a bad mining planet and

13:01

you gotta lock out and you're trying to fix it.

13:03

Right? No. But you can

13:04

tell to be No sympathy no sympathy

13:07

regarding but he's like but it the way

13:09

he says I had an open room.

13:11

it feels like he did ask her to

13:13

come, but he didn't ask her to

13:15

come in the way that she

13:18

wanted him to. what

13:20

it really feels like. What do

13:21

you think his room was like

13:24

at

13:24

Primor? I think that

13:27

empty room room was a twin bed and an empty

13:29

room. I think there's nothing on the walls.

13:31

I think that place was

13:34

No.

13:34

Maybe not. Maybe he had a nice or maybe we

13:36

may have seen it briefly. I don't know. Maybe maybe I

13:38

feel like they imply he's standing outside the door

13:40

to his room sometimes, but not lying outside.

13:43

I don't like

13:44

the you know,

13:46

so as a follow-up, she she

13:48

mentions that she does go to Uncle Harlow

13:51

and he's mulling over

13:53

what to what to do with

13:55

this favor. And she sort of advises him

13:57

maybe maybe you'll study Uncle

13:59

Harlow more more carefully

14:01

in in the future. And I think, you know, we

14:03

already sort of leave him as he's he's

14:05

he's

14:05

brooding over the

14:09

prison headshot of

14:11

Andor. And this is see

14:13

what was in the background during that sequence?

14:16

No. He has, like, little action figures. There's

14:18

little action figures of what I think

14:20

are either clones or stormtroopers.

14:22

I couldn't I was like, I kinda

14:24

know It's a little dark. It's not a special.

14:26

I I just put a screenshot in the chat. Oh, it

14:28

looks like loans. Yeah. I think for

14:30

loans. I know. and

14:33

you're such a corn ball. Rob, do

14:35

you wanna, yeah, explain the thing he's

14:37

looking at that's not the clone trooper? Yeah. He's

14:39

looking at the he's looking at the the

14:42

Imperial Prison photo of

14:44

of Andor, and it's clear like this the Andor

14:46

is turning into his Moby deck. Mhmm.

14:48

You know, this is this is the

14:50

guy, the author of all these misfortunes that

14:54

that that are starting to to dog him.

14:56

He

14:56

ever hates the bad.

14:59

You just

14:59

sit at bed at night and think about

15:01

them. And look at their And look at

15:03

their face.

15:06

But also, like, I mean, you know, the

15:08

a thing that Val mentions later is

15:11

everyone has their own rebellion. And I'm still,

15:13

like, fifty fifty on whether, like, we're seeing

15:15

a villain well, well, are we seeing a

15:17

villain origin story? Or are we

15:19

seeing, like, who the origin story for

15:21

what is going to become a really important

15:23

turn coat? it's at some

15:25

juncture of this. Because, like, car

15:27

like, again, carne fits this bill for

15:30

somebody who for not good

15:32

reasons, not like pull it,

15:34

like, not moral or

15:36

or like

15:40

open minded reasons,

15:42

like, we'll we'll turn on

15:44

the

15:44

people he wants desperately wanted to

15:46

be accepted by. Right. Right. The

15:49

the two versions of this that seem

15:51

possible are Khan

15:53

in pursuit of Pandora

15:56

ends up hurting everyone

15:58

around him causing a disaster and

15:59

and effectively furthering the destruction of the

16:02

empire, or Karn

16:04

dies to save Andor's life. These

16:06

are

16:06

the news of them. This is the That's

16:08

just by direction of of

16:11

drama. Right? One of these

16:13

dramatic ends needs to be met

16:15

is because we know he doesn't get Andor

16:17

because we know what happens with Andor. Right?

16:19

And it's like either he ends up

16:21

and again. eighty thousand things that could happen

16:23

here. But I think that those the poll those

16:25

are the two dramatic polls here

16:27

for an arc is either he

16:30

has to go from being he has

16:32

become Moby dick, ahab obsessed until

16:34

lots of people die because of his

16:36

obsession, his stupid obsession. Or

16:38

he has to be he

16:41

has to find his way to being the

16:43

person who's in the right place at the

16:46

right time to make a decision he never thought he

16:48

would make at the beginning of a story. Right? and

16:50

I'm very curious. I mean, I guess he

16:52

could also be and we just don't know if this is the type

16:54

of show it is. He could also just

16:56

die miserable in his mother's

16:58

apartment.

16:59

Right? This will be the most subversive thing to do

17:01

of all. That his story never goes

17:03

anywhere. Yep. Mhmm. Or he touches

17:05

it again briefly and then never

17:08

you know, but I suspect it's one or two.

17:10

We'll see.

17:11

That's all of our current for

17:13

the day. That's all of our current I

17:16

I have

17:16

I have to call out one of

17:18

my favorite lines so far. I

17:20

know what you tell me. I intuit

17:22

the rest. Was

17:24

Great boy. which is what?

17:27

Which

17:27

is which is a little mirror

17:29

of Louthan saying,

17:31

I know I know what

17:33

I know and I imagine the rest about Antoine. There's

17:36

lots of people filling in the gaps in

17:38

this show. There's lots of

17:40

people trying to make

17:42

sense of other people, which again is just

17:44

not a thing we've seen in a lot of other Star Wars

17:47

content. As

17:48

a you

17:49

know, there isn't too much happening with the

17:51

subplot, but let's check-in with the people

17:54

that the card really wanted

17:56

to be. Right? The the

17:58

imperials. particularly our two ISB officers.

18:01

Both of whom like, I I think

18:03

you're both are little check

18:05

ins with them to me. Feel like they

18:07

capture two different flavors of rot. Mhmm.

18:10

You know, first, we

18:12

get we we get to

18:14

see Blevan who is establishing

18:16

an ISB headquarters on Ferrix

18:18

in the neighborhood that got shot up in the

18:20

last arc. They've they've taken over

18:22

an entire hotel to

18:25

to create these outposts, which feels like way

18:27

over in like, this is a place that needs like

18:29

a small local police station.

18:31

and it looks like they are taking a they

18:33

they have, like, AA5 story building

18:36

effectively -- Oh. -- to house

18:38

ISP operations. But is being

18:40

handed off to a dude, Captain

18:43

Tigo. And I I

18:45

think you'll find he has a new

18:47

title, Rob. Yeah. I want because I wanna take this

18:49

through. What is what is Captain Tigo?

18:51

What what what figure does he

18:53

cut, Austin? man,

18:55

what does

18:55

he cut? He is he arrives. I

18:57

mean, I think immediately one of the

18:59

most interesting things is he shows up. He's

19:01

in all his black officer uniform.

19:04

He has his rank on his on his

19:06

chest. Little three blue little

19:08

squares. And Blevin is in the all

19:10

white trench coat of the ISB. No

19:12

rank show own, but very clearly in

19:14

control. Tigo

19:16

is offered the hotel. I I

19:18

mean, he what Stephan said is do

19:20

you want it or not? And TIGO is like, do

19:22

you mean the job? And it's like, no,

19:25

you idiot. You had like, that you're

19:27

gonna take the job. Do you wanna work out of

19:29

the hotel? and he's the sort person

19:32

who it's not

19:34

even power he wants. It's

19:36

not authority. It

19:38

is the the it's I don't even know if it's

19:40

actually prestige, but it is the

19:43

the fashion of

19:45

power. It is the symbol of power that he wants to put on because

19:47

what his request is is, could I He

19:49

literally says, I know that

19:51

there is no you know,

19:54

pay increase, but could I be

19:56

prefect? Could I be prefected,

19:58

generics?

19:59

which it's so funny. I

20:02

literally was just talking about this

20:04

fairly recently. Feels like

20:06

a direct punch at

20:09

Paul Bremer. who was the

20:11

effectively self declared viceroy of

20:13

America in Iraq during

20:17

the the two thousand three

20:19

invasion. a viceroy a title that, like,

20:22

is not a no one has

20:24

viceroy anymore. That's a fucking title

20:26

that you type yourself in the back

20:28

about out. And Brammer has since, like, if

20:30

you look up interviews with Brammer now, he

20:32

and the people around home, like, well, you were never Viceroy,

20:34

which is just a lie. This is just

20:37

wrong. absolutely referred to himself as a viceroy.

20:39

He was referred to as a viceroy when

20:41

he first got there. And then later,

20:44

like, clearly because don't haul

20:46

yourself viceroy, started

20:48

becoming Envoy instead and

20:50

things like that. Right? I ended up

20:52

getting another, like, administrator,

20:54

was his official official official

20:56

title. But only after he'd served as Viceroy. And

20:58

that's what's happening here. This is someone who wants

21:00

the symbols and status

21:03

of a different era

21:06

of of rulers

21:08

of of empire. Right? Like, this is someone

21:10

who's like, we're in an empire, so I

21:12

should be perfect. even though that doesn't mean that

21:14

he has the role or

21:17

responsibilities or even income of -- Yeah. --

21:19

governor. Right? He isn't

21:21

actually in charge of tariffs in any

21:23

different way. He's here to administer.

21:25

He's here to make sure it's up and running, that

21:27

the taxes are coming in the way they're supposed to

21:29

be, that ISB agents get access

21:31

to whatever they need to do

21:33

here. And all he cares about is

21:35

the title.

21:36

And, of course, Leaven

21:39

is

21:39

like, yeah, sure. Like,

21:41

just make sure that by the time I have my next

21:43

fucking stand up, you have

21:45

things up and running. That's all I care

21:47

about. All I want is results. And that is

21:49

like the difference between someone who can play the

21:51

game at the ISV and someone who

21:54

is like, just going to be That's why, you

21:56

know, a piece of furniture, a family.

21:58

Yeah. That's why Blovens is

21:59

Blovens. That's why Blovens is in the position

22:01

he's in. That's why

22:03

We're

22:04

ah

22:05

gonna have to see him do

22:07

this because I thought that he was

22:10

I thought that he and Debra were,

22:12

like, at the same tier, but

22:15

I I because they're both in that meeting, I thought

22:17

they were, like, at the same but this does not seem like thing that

22:19

she would be doing ever. So part of

22:21

the guys outlined when he was shutting her down. He

22:23

was like, yeah, Nevan is more Nevan

22:25

is more traditional. He also

22:28

has, like, eight districts. They report to

22:30

him. They report to him at that time. Right. So if

22:32

Levin is, like, a master administrator,

22:36

And I think Dedra is,

22:39

like, more of a

22:41

special investigator with, like,

22:43

jurisdiction that crosses these district

22:45

district lines. That makes

22:47

perfect sense. But it's interesting, like,

22:49

where does the ISB it's

22:51

interesting that this is an ISB

22:53

project, getting Farrick's under

22:56

Imperial Control and not

22:58

an Imperial Army

23:01

mission. Do you know what I mean?

23:03

Or or navy or, you know

23:05

Yeah. I'm I'm curious. This is the equivalent of

23:07

the CIA being in charge of

23:09

setting up an American occupation. This is

23:11

the thing. III feel like we're

23:14

going to see more of it and stuff like how

23:16

transitional all of this is. Then, like,

23:18

there's, like, what are we using the army in May

23:20

before? What does like, is the I like,

23:22

because ISB is also, like, it seems like a power

23:24

hungry institution. And so you can

23:26

see where, like, we wanna be we wanna be the

23:28

FBI. We wanna be an intelligence agency. I mean,

23:30

this is also really, like the FBI

23:32

is this. The FBI is an intelligence

23:35

agency that is also a huge law enforcement

23:37

agency. Always has been. and

23:39

has always, like, been

23:42

ambitious and territorial for that

23:44

level of like, wide

23:46

ranging authority and ability to have, like,

23:48

different types of operations. Like, there's the

23:50

epic field offices and then, like, where they

23:52

do cop shit. And then there's

23:54

all their, like, entire allogent stuff. And

23:56

I think and I think that's but and but

23:58

this is the thing. Like, so to me, it feels like,

24:01

like, you're forced to hand it off to guys

24:03

like TIGO who are going to blow this.

24:06

Like, you like, you would have been

24:08

better off with the checked

24:10

out corporate security, like police chief, than

24:12

a dude like TIGO. because TIGO is

24:14

going to settle this.

24:16

Yeah. TIGO

24:17

TIGO like,

24:19

there's what what

24:21

they had before was consistency.

24:24

They had just we're

24:26

we're hitting the status quo.

24:28

We're we have we

24:30

know not to interfere with the locals. The

24:33

locals like, we're not you

24:35

don't feel the corporate

24:37

securities fist in

24:40

that world as it was

24:42

until two stupid

24:44

security guards like,

24:46

I don't know, just had their shit

24:48

coming to them. You

24:50

remember the king of Underon, the

24:53

second king of Underon who ate fruit and

24:55

threw it before he was done eating fruit -- Yeah. -- in Clone

24:57

Wars -- Yes. -- Tigo. That's how Tigo's

24:59

gonna roll. Yep. Yep. You know what I

25:01

mean? Yep. And Our

25:03

other example of, like, what's happening in

25:06

ISP, we we check we check back in

25:08

on DedRA. And

25:12

she's brooding over, like,

25:14

you know, these plots that she sees these, these

25:16

machinations for their belly in, but

25:18

also it looks to me she is popping uppers,

25:20

right and left. Yeah.

25:22

She's like so

25:25

she's like, speeding through

25:28

her duties as, like,

25:30

intelligence chief and weird seems to be

25:32

getting, like, parent like,

25:34

paranoid and, like, hyper

25:36

fixated out of theory. Mhmm. Mhmm.

25:38

Literally seeing her pop that pill was like

25:41

I This is Star Wars. I was

25:43

like, weren't there? You can do that there.

25:45

Is this a loud? Is that

25:47

a loud? I'm

25:49

with it. I mean No.

25:52

No. III I'm her

25:54

and her little intern

25:57

staying late to do two more

25:58

files each and just,

25:59

like,

26:00

smacking their lips. like,

26:03

and then just, like, popping pills

26:05

to, like, stay and

26:07

and and follow this, like, conspiracy bread

26:10

string plot that there's or that they're

26:12

putting together. And it's funny that,

26:15

like, she's she's

26:18

making herself out to be

26:20

like, this is how I would do

26:22

it type of cop.

26:24

Like, I like, I'm I'm the

26:26

cop that can put myself in their

26:28

shoes. I'm the cop that can,

26:30

like, that can, like, think

26:32

like them. It reminds me a lot of the

26:35

speech from

26:36

ah and

26:38

glorious baster. It's like the Christopher

26:41

Walker where

26:41

he talks about, like, thinking. Yeah. Waltz.

26:43

Chris yeah. Christophe Waltz.

26:45

It it, like, it

26:47

it reminds me a lot of that type of

26:50

of

26:51

self a

26:54

grandizing, like, mentality

26:57

of, like, oh, I I'm different

26:59

because I I unlike, other cops can

27:02

put myself in their shoes.

27:04

Mhmm. And that's what, like, is her, like,

27:06

super power essentially.

27:10

And and and I think

27:12

it's meant to I think the addition of, like,

27:15

the popping of pills is it's meant

27:17

to feel like, I

27:19

don't I don't know how to

27:20

describe it, but to, like, heightened and,

27:23

like, and intoxicated,

27:25

like, that think not

27:27

thinking both drug related and

27:29

and not drug related, like, this

27:32

intoxicated, like,

27:35

way of being consumed by

27:37

this type of obsession with

27:41

her theory. I am

27:42

still so curious. We

27:45

do know that Lutham is out

27:47

there like like spinning many

27:50

plates. But on the other hand,

27:52

whenever you get someone being like, it's too randomly

27:55

random. My antenna start twitching --

27:57

Mhmm. -- where it's like theory

27:59

that cannot be disproven. You're so wedded to

28:01

it that, like, you just want like,

28:04

do you think do you think

28:07

she's on to like, do you think she's on to the real

28:09

thing? Or do you

28:11

think she's taking, like, data points

28:13

that are genuinely at this moment

28:15

unconnected? Right. And events are just going

28:17

to overtake her theory. And,

28:20

like, proof her like, because it seems like

28:22

Louthan does want Like, this payroll heist

28:25

is a foundational element to whatever

28:27

is the next stage, plus whoever

28:29

Manavima's other contact is. Like,

28:31

there's two things in the wind that are going

28:33

to, like, sort of kickstart a wider

28:35

rebellion. But the fact that,

28:37

like, when we check-in with Lutham and

28:39

Mabma, it all seems so early,

28:43

Deborah's theory to me feels like

28:45

it is way

28:47

cart before the horse. I

28:51

I The thing that it makes me

28:53

think is I think you might be

28:55

right that what we

28:56

have is a

29:00

bunch

29:00

of factions doing stuff that

29:02

Luton wants to tie together. MatHuma wants

29:04

to tie together. and

29:07

she's anticipating that being

29:09

tied together before it happens

29:11

and is making the

29:14

mistake

29:14

that to

29:17

go back

29:18

to Iraq. Right? Like -- Mhmm. -- in

29:20

the years during the occupation, there

29:22

were a ton factions

29:25

inside of the civil conflicts that would emerge

29:28

there. From the

29:31

various suny and shiite factions,

29:33

to people who are still loyal

29:35

to the old bath

29:38

party, to outsiders coming

29:40

in you know, opportunistically.

29:43

And obviously, all of

29:45

the Western PMCs and

29:47

security forces and everything else also there

29:49

as part also was combatants there. And I

29:51

I think that there is a

29:53

totalizing perspective that you

29:55

found on lots of people in the

29:57

west that were like we

29:59

just have to beat them as

30:01

if there was one of them on the other side

30:03

of that conflict. And as if

30:05

this is part of the thing with al with al Qaeda. Right?

30:07

Was that, like, in in after nine

30:10

eleven, there was again this totalizing thing, this

30:12

idea that, like, all you do is cut off the head of the

30:14

thing, and then whole thing falls apart. If only we

30:16

get Bin Laden, this all falls

30:18

apart. Not understanding that

30:21

contemporary terrorism has lots of

30:23

autonomy across its various cells.

30:25

It isn't a single military

30:28

faction with one leader. And

30:30

I think that there could be some of that happening here.

30:32

That deadpool is like, well, if we're losing in

30:34

a bunch of places -- Mhmm. -- we must be

30:36

losing against an opponent who is

30:38

well armed, well resourced, super

30:41

organized, because it's us who's

30:43

losing. Right? We couldn't -- Right. -- be losing to local

30:45

To anyone. Yeah. Yeah. We have to be losing

30:47

to a conspiracy. And I

30:50

think that that could be an interesting angle, Rob, on

30:52

what you're what you're saying.

30:54

Alternatively, the looting stuff is

30:56

further on we think it is. Yeah. But but given the

30:58

end of this episode, that doesn't seem likely. Yeah. I

31:00

am just wondering if the one of the ironies of

31:02

this subplot is going to be

31:04

they're going to will it into existence because,

31:06

like, part of, like, part of the story of a rock

31:08

is, like, your presence create,

31:11

like, create creative problems. And you

31:13

need vindicated. You'd be like, look, see, we knew

31:15

there were terrorists in here. Mhmm. And it's

31:17

like, yes. because now you've just filled you've

31:19

stocked it with targets. And,

31:23

like, I I can see it. because

31:25

where you saw, what went wrong

31:27

on Ferrix was presence. they went

31:29

into a neighborhood they should not have gone into,

31:32

and all hell breaks loose.

31:34

And that's gonna like, it does not get

31:36

repeated. Mhmm. I'm

31:38

very curably. And, like, that that is

31:40

also just like a a classic thing

31:43

of we already talked about this

31:45

in Star Wars. Right? That, like, the

31:49

we we know that

31:51

soccer rare is out there and that

31:53

the most logistic elements already

31:55

in the republic were part of who trained him.

31:57

Anakin trains Sagarrera. Sagarrera

31:59

is now out there fighting the empire. That's

32:01

in the story as it stands.

32:03

who have listened to the clone wars episodes, there's an

32:06

arc on the on the planet of

32:08

Andiran, in which Anakin and

32:10

Anakin's Patois ASOCA,

32:12

AND OBVIOUAN, trained some

32:15

local partisans to fight back

32:17

against a separateist occupation

32:20

we also know that, like, Champs and Dula's group

32:22

in the in the dialects are

32:26

are, I believe,

32:27

part of whatever comes the eventual

32:29

rebellion -- Mhmm. -- those the it's

32:31

like those groups were very

32:33

closely aligned with the Republic during

32:35

that war. And so there is a degree of like

32:37

you've invented your own twenty years

32:39

later you're fighting these people you armed twenty years

32:42

ago. Right? Which again which

32:44

we're saying again for who either didn't listen to that episode

32:46

or forgotten that Underrun ARC ends

32:48

up being very directly

32:51

analogous to the US giving

32:53

Stenger missiles to the

32:55

Taliban in in Afghanistan during

32:57

the war against

33:00

the so obvious. And so, like, here it is

33:02

again. Like, is this is

33:04

this Kendra? Like, when is Kendra

33:06

gonna pull up the thing that says Salt

33:08

Carrera got his missiles from

33:10

from the Jedi. You know what

33:12

I mean? Yeah. I want

33:14

that badly. Yeah.

33:16

anyway Anyway, I

33:18

do wonder where they are gonna end up going

33:20

with her though because it does feel like you're supposed to

33:22

be more like sympathy FedEx to her,

33:25

especially when you see, like, you

33:27

know, you have the scene on FedEx

33:29

where it's, like, I

33:31

freak Belden is,

33:34

like, he doesn't have any relationship with his

33:36

superior. Superior is a joke. He's

33:38

overextended. But with that, Drew, you have this

33:40

thing of like, oh, well, I'm gonna stay

33:42

here if you're here. Like, you're supposed to,

33:44

like, think that their relationship is

33:46

closer or that, like, she

33:48

if she had the

33:49

support, she would be the person who could have

33:51

knocked this down. Right.

33:53

Yeah. There is a there is

33:56

a there's definitely

33:58

like two college students

34:01

staying up all night to do their term

34:03

papers together. energy between

34:05

these two. That is,

34:08

like, they're

34:08

gonna power through and that's

34:12

a weird and it I mean and it's again,

34:14

the last thing that we see is her popping a pill

34:16

and, you know, getting ready to sit

34:18

down to do the damn thing. So it's not like

34:20

it is untinged by some

34:22

some amount of cynicism, but

34:26

you're right that there is a sort of

34:28

Are we supposed to be sympathetic? Is she are

34:30

Catherine Bigel O'Hara? Right. Exactly. I think kind of.

34:33

Right? Yeah. Well, I

34:35

see there's always someone smart on the

34:37

other side. They only they just they just kept this girl boss

34:40

down. She knew the

34:42

rebellion was coming, but

34:44

nobody wants

34:46

to listen to deadra. I

34:48

still think that that's fun. Like, this is a thing.

34:50

Right? It's fun. In a real way,

34:52

probably about

34:55

to get to. This

34:57

show earns a lot

34:59

of wiggle room inter

35:01

like, it would be very hard, I think, to read

35:04

this show as sympathetic generally

35:06

to the imperial cause.

35:08

What it might be sympathetic to or what

35:10

it asks you to

35:12

What it what it triggers is a is

35:14

a sympathetic response to individuals

35:16

inside of empire, which

35:18

by the way, we're we're individuals

35:21

inside of Empire. No

35:23

black dynamite. The taxes from this go

35:25

to the US army, like,

35:27

that is happening. And so

35:30

I I don't think it's that strange

35:32

for us, especially those of us who've worked in

35:34

offices or who have pulled on nighters or

35:36

who have felt like we understand something and somebody

35:38

else doesn't to, like, have some or

35:41

who've had tough relationships with our families to

35:43

find some sort of apathy

35:45

with Karnes and Deadra.

35:48

What is important and I think the

35:50

show totally understands, and it's doing the

35:52

opposite with, like, Mod Mothma, politics

35:54

don't make you your politics

35:56

alone can't save you as I make

35:58

you a person that other people want to

36:02

like, nor does

36:04

nor does

36:05

being even part of a

36:07

machine like this mean that you won't,

36:09

as someone else, might not feel

36:11

sympathy for you. That doesn't mean that they should like they they

36:13

should root

36:13

for you. Not yet. But I think sitting with

36:15

that sympathy is super important

36:18

for for sitting with

36:20

that response. is is pretty pretty important. Shall

36:22

we talk about the

36:23

first breakfast table? Oh

36:25

my

36:25

god. I'm so upset they

36:27

have a kid.

36:29

You're upset. They haven't they're like, you

36:32

know, why the same That house did not need a

36:34

kid in there to Well, maybe

36:36

maybe you can give me time. Maybe you can't

36:38

fix it. Yeah.

36:38

Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think

36:40

that? You don't

36:41

think the kid is gonna be the one who

36:43

rats out Mod Mothma in

36:46

the end? Oh, I do. That kind of

36:48

signature. So

36:50

where do we first do we first

36:52

see them out and about,

36:53

or do we see them in the house

36:55

in the hand number? Yeah. Okay.

36:57

Right. Okay. Yeah. So they're they're sitting down

36:59

for

36:59

breakfast and -- Right. -- my hot

37:02

time

37:02

is ten Jedi robes.

37:06

again. It's fucked up. It's fucked

37:08

up. Like, every scene

37:09

with him is, like, do you see

37:11

the meme or the

37:14

fuck's given? zero. Yes. This

37:18

motherfucker. And and the

37:19

kid

37:21

what's her name? Lada. It's like with a d in

37:23

Oh, man. The light text

37:26

is getting red. She's it's

37:28

just this is just Anakin

37:30

and and

37:32

cadre. Yeah. Yeah.

37:34

And The name the kid's

37:35

name is the same.

37:38

So

37:39

anyway Anyway. They have

37:40

her wearing has the fucking

37:43

pat one braids. We're wearing them

37:45

like it's fashion. Yeah. Shit. Like,

37:47

she was wearing

37:47

that little robe with the -- Yes. -- the

37:50

robe on it. I couldn't

37:52

tell us that robe was a

37:54

uniform or was it

37:56

was like, a chosen, like, a school class. So

37:58

the symbol on it, I don't know what

37:59

the symbol actually

38:02

is, but it

38:04

feels to me like a

38:06

minimalist version of I'm

38:08

sending you an image of it. The

38:10

Jedi symbol -- Yeah. -- which is

38:12

the, you know, the the big, like, wings with the

38:15

saber in the middle. You know

38:17

what I mean? It

38:18

has that exact shape. It

38:22

comes up. Yeah. So, like,

38:25

what

38:25

is happening? Anyway,

38:27

Ali or whoever was

38:29

talking continue, please. I

38:31

I'm

38:32

just curious. Does

38:35

the kids suck or is the

38:37

kid just, like, speaking some truth about,

38:39

like, family dynamics here?

38:41

well. So here's the thing

38:43

is the adults of

38:45

the roof. Don't need to be

38:47

having their own arguments in front

38:49

of this kid. And, like,

38:51

I mean,

38:52

i mean you

38:54

know, I I don't wanna

38:56

Mon mothma might be making some mistakes. She might

38:58

be busy at the office. But --

39:01

Yeah. -- there's there's such like there's

39:03

such a satisfaction action

39:06

that the dad takes as his conversation

39:08

is happening. Yeah. Seems manipulated. It

39:10

seems like they have some conversations

39:13

alone where he's, like, a while.

39:15

Because -- Yeah. Yeah. -- it because when when she's like, hey, Dad, are

39:17

you driving me into school? And he immediately says, well,

39:19

you have to ask your

39:22

mother, and not just

39:23

like He has a higher thing up. He

39:25

he he wants the fight happen. He grins and

39:28

smurfs as it happens.

39:30

He gets so much

39:32

joy out of her being

39:34

him being her favorite over the mom

39:36

and like -- Yeah. -- it's gross. he's

39:38

a piece of

39:39

shit. It's it definitely comes off he he spends he's

39:41

able to spend more

39:43

time with later because

39:46

the mom because Monmouth Ma

39:48

is, like, working late working late hours

39:50

is on, like, a lot of, like, work

39:52

trips and things like that. So naturally,

39:54

Karen and Leila have just

39:57

spent more time together. And

40:00

it's definitely Italy feels like

40:02

parent has fucking

40:06

instilled a lot of his own

40:08

opinions about his

40:10

wife in

40:10

in on

40:11

Leia. And Leia's,

40:14

like, if I can't the thing that I can't tell

40:16

is if it feels like Leia is

40:18

parodying, parroting, or

40:20

these are it

40:22

definitely feels like Lita has her own resentments

40:24

against Mon mothma for,

40:26

like, lack of attention. It it

40:29

comes off like like Mon

40:31

mothma hasn't been there when it's important

40:33

and, like, is only there when it's

40:35

visible, like, when it's, you know,

40:37

when it something to be perceived. Well, the

40:40

specific

40:40

claim that later

40:42

makes is so you

40:45

know, the the thing that's happening here is they're, like,

40:48

Man Manfred was supposed to take

40:51

Yeah. The fact that this whole conversation

40:54

is who's taking her to school today is

40:56

just small. It's just

40:57

small basketball. It's like

40:59

get your coat. We're supposed to be on the way already. We're

41:01

running late, basically. I planned on this.

41:03

We're going. Latest says you're only doing

41:05

this to show off. and

41:07

my mophthma is like, what are you talking about to show

41:09

off? And latest argument and claim is

41:12

that, like, you're trying to show that you're a

41:14

good mom. You're trying to show the people at school

41:16

that you're evolved in my life that you're

41:18

actually like here. But

41:20

nobody cares. Nobody cares if you're in my

41:22

life. Nobody's thinking about

41:24

us in that way.

41:26

You're just so selfish. And

41:28

and my mama is like, that's

41:30

so

41:31

hurtful of you to say. and

41:33

latest says, well, there you go again. Yep. You're making an announcement. Hold on. That but

41:35

that's the part where I'm like, I don't think that came from

41:37

dad. I think that's like

41:40

that feels like I'm yeah.

41:42

Yeah. I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying this is her

41:44

being

41:45

actually, I do think that she has recognized something

41:48

in Mon

41:50

mothma. that is real about her absence from the family

41:52

and about her desire to be

41:54

all appearances perfect. I

41:58

mean, like, it cuts back to the

41:59

shot of Mon

41:59

mothma looking

42:02

pristine. Like her no

42:06

hair on her head is out of place.

42:08

Everything is smooth. All of

42:10

the lines on her outfit for wherever

42:12

she's going are perfect. She

42:15

is all about presentation. She is all

42:18

about public perception. And we

42:20

know that that's because she's

42:22

secretly helping to put together

42:24

a rebellion. and she can't let

42:26

she has to be the perfect

42:28

image of a liberal

42:30

senator. Right? Mhmm. And and so

42:32

I do think that there is something happening there. The

42:34

way that she that she

42:36

describes it as we planned for

42:38

this. Like, this was this was a plan

42:41

it wasn't it's not a given

42:43

that Mon mothma takes Lita to school

42:45

every day. Like, this was the day that Lita was going

42:47

to do it. And it's like

42:49

It's not even

42:50

I I said last night that I

42:52

would take you to school. It's not even like it

42:54

happened out that way. You know, sometimes that

42:56

happens, like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go

42:58

going in early tomorrow so I can drop you off. That's not a plan. But this what

43:01

she's describing is like, at next Wednesday,

43:03

I'll drop you off, which is such

43:05

a different vibe. Yep. vibe.

43:08

And

43:08

and the and what late latest saying is

43:10

you're off the hook. You don't have to have

43:12

this obligation to me if you don't fucking want

43:14

to because you clearly don't fucking want to.

43:16

So you're off the hook. that that attitude

43:20

of you don't have to

43:24

do this for me because I know you're not doing it to

43:26

take me to school. You're doing

43:28

it for

43:29

your ulterior reasons

43:32

is is very telling.

43:34

Okay. But counterargument,

43:37

famous tweet, why do we bat

43:40

deadbeat dash and not being there for their kids, but

43:42

we never question if the child has bad

43:44

vibes or if they're just unpleasant to be

43:46

around. Lading

43:46

at it sucks. Maybe

43:48

look. I mean, that's the other thing. I

43:51

feel bad for Monmouth was she's getting up from the

43:53

table. She's like, I so appreciate the

43:55

support. Maybe Monmouth was going

43:57

for a campaign for something. kids, dad,

43:59

we need to rally together and and beat the meal

44:01

lived family that Monmouth was trying

44:03

to fucking emulate. Like,

44:06

Come on. Like, support your girl. Oh, no.

44:08

The problem is it is

44:11

tough, like, you can you can do it

44:13

for a campaign. It is tough one.

44:15

It's your life. And the live is that it's

44:17

the life. And it is the

44:20

show that never ends. And it

44:22

is like,

44:24

it is as yet unknown when the wheels flew off

44:26

this. Like, one question I was about to get

44:28

on Twitter. Make tweets about what a

44:30

bad mob. Well,

44:33

one one bunch of eye coming out of this

44:35

too is is

44:36

pairing himself. Is this a nightmarish?

44:39

Like, does the marriage have

44:41

its roots in, like, political convenience? I

44:43

think so. He's a soldier had

44:45

Frenchman's Regimental Days. What

44:48

could be better to burnish

44:50

the credibility of a left leaning politician

44:52

than a happy idyllic

44:54

marriage with a, you

44:57

know, chance seller L'Oreal war hero of some of

44:59

some strike. Mhmm. Does does the whole

45:02

like, does the is the marriage itself

45:04

founded to a degree on,

45:06

like, Optics?

45:07

I I definitely read it as

45:09

as as a politically

45:12

minded marriage.

45:14

at least, I could very well see that like,

45:17

I

45:17

imagine Mon Mothma's

45:18

is like like mastermind

45:22

that was like, I am

45:24

going to carefully choose and carefully

45:26

craft my life

45:28

for the visibility

45:29

of it all. and

45:33

parent, like and and

45:35

her maybe feeling like she can

45:37

control parent and parent

45:39

just ending up being this

45:42

shitty, like,

45:43

I does not

45:44

care, is not engaged. III

45:47

just wonder what what if there was

45:49

a I Was there a honeymoon period here? Like, was

45:51

was there -- Right. -- like a point where they were

45:54

in love and then, like but

45:56

didn't weren't seeing

45:58

each other for who they truly

45:59

were, but, like, I I don't

46:01

know. I just

46:04

yeah. I

46:05

read an interview with

46:07

Jedavivo Riley, who's the actress

46:09

for Monmouth thorough, and they were saying that

46:11

part of what they wanted to, like,

46:13

establish with her as a character is that she's been the sentence since

46:15

she was sixteen. So, like, what is

46:17

what happens to somebody's life when you're

46:20

trained about

46:22

this so long that, like, you didn't have a childhood

46:24

and you didn't have

46:25

an experience outside of it. And I

46:27

think that, like, being in a

46:29

loveless marriage might

46:32

be one of those sacrifices that you take. Mhmm.

46:34

Do

46:35

we think that

46:38

parent knows the name of the driver

46:40

and is choosing --

46:42

No. -- wanna quote forget it to to

46:44

needle No. I

46:45

I think he's

46:47

no.

46:47

I think he's just He's

46:50

just

46:50

like and I think that's sort of

46:52

like because there's such a fundamental,

46:54

like, mismatch between these two people that

46:56

doesn't even make sense that they're married.

46:58

And I think that, like, in a way that they're tiny things that you hate

47:00

about a person, the fact that he doesn't treat

47:02

service people well is one of

47:05

them. Yeah. And, like,

47:06

Well, hang on. That

47:08

service

47:08

person is a snitch. Sure.

47:11

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But

47:13

he doesn't know that or he

47:15

did. He wouldn't Yeah. Maybe. Chorus has just has

47:17

bad vibes. Uh-huh. Sure. I think

47:19

I think he does

47:21

know their names

47:24

and and but he

47:26

knows how much it just

47:30

insurances Monmouth meant to to to

47:32

forget the like, to not pay attention to the

47:34

kind of things. and he's doing

47:36

it on purpose. In in in that

47:38

moment particularly. Oh, well,

47:41

because also

47:41

they needle the shit out of each other. This is

47:43

like how, you know, so it's so fully

47:46

just a nightmare. Because now he's like, well,

47:48

why didn't know I know about this foundation.

47:50

You were starting when she's like, well, I didn't think you'd be

47:52

interested. It's charitable. You selfish,

47:55

man child, piece of shit, which

47:57

That's why I feel like the Fair

48:00

enough. Mhmm.

48:00

It's it's because that's the

48:02

lead up that that it feels like he's

48:05

he's forgetting again. forgetting

48:08

on purpose rather. But

48:10

she's also,

48:11

like, teaming him up to go

48:13

to a party and have some

48:15

guy be, like, oh, what's Mon working on and

48:17

him not having a response? Like,

48:20

by shutting him out, which

48:22

is

48:22

fair, I

48:24

mean, this bad vibes. Don't let him feel like, but,

48:26

like, if if there's social

48:28

people, like, letting

48:30

him and b on the the

48:32

the the back leg

48:34

there is also, like, a micro

48:36

aggression. Wow. Amongst many of this happens. Right?

48:38

They're just they're just constantly at work. Matter

48:40

from most of our women

48:43

-- Yeah. -- chandula.

48:45

Oh, chandula. Okay. Which

48:47

where she's dropped you go. So I

48:49

think this is really, like, some some basic, like, maybe decoding each

48:52

other's sequence. Like, they just

48:54

need a

48:56

good buck. You have to learn about what the roles of the family are.

48:58

Yeah. You know, who's in what

49:00

role? That's the big

49:02

reactionary. We we need to invent

49:04

a new a guy preparing to be

49:06

in that's Trat House

49:08

husband.

49:08

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.

49:11

He's because he's to

49:13

grab his mic. Before Just

49:16

I think he posts as of now. Are

49:18

you mourning? He posts I wanna see I

49:21

wanna see his Instagram likes. Yep.

49:23

Yeah. That's where those fellows

49:25

look alike.

49:26

Oh, yeah.

49:28

I think he posts

49:31

a a fit check

49:33

every morning, but not

49:35

not intentionally. It's

49:38

always like, like a like a off angle of

49:40

of of sort of the

49:42

details. Like, he he would post, like, the

49:44

the the sash or, like, something

49:46

very close-up

49:48

and and then he posts, like, the view from his apartment every

49:50

day. Every every morning -- He's

49:51

underwriting. -- do you think he does

49:54

some updates? No.

49:56

I actually see him much more as a, like,

49:59

a photo of him,

50:01

like, with it a pricey

50:03

antique or, like, like, military

50:06

relic or something being, like, military relic. It

50:08

means so much to touch this this history.

50:10

As a next soldier, I you know,

50:13

makes me makes me deeply reflective about and just like all that bullshit,

50:15

just like on the regular. Like him in a

50:17

-- Yeah. -- expensive place

50:20

doing something wildly expensive. And then, like, dude, he

50:22

spent on Christine this. Thank you so much

50:25

to me. Yeah. Hundred

50:27

percent. God, I want him to be stolen

50:29

valor guy so bad. I want him to not

50:31

have served anywhere. Oh,

50:33

yeah. Somebody finally

50:34

just called out. You're not even a phone.

50:38

Yeah. Uh-huh. I

50:39

need that. Under Don Draper. It's so He's

50:41

an Epotism

50:42

baby. That's what he comes off

50:44

like.

50:44

Well, okay. I've had one but I wanted to

50:46

hear the dandraper thing that what

50:48

if he's even deeper cover than the

50:51

mama when they what if he's a child. What if

50:53

they just don't know?

50:55

No.

50:57

be like if

50:59

I just keep wearing I just I look natural

51:01

and rose. Oh, I have to wear this. They said that

51:03

they're gonna they're gonna beat each other the rebel

51:06

face. They're gonna be nice because the room would be looking for love

51:08

songs. Yeah. I'm gonna

51:10

always -- Yeah. -- the

51:12

first real sexy

51:14

and installments history. Oh

51:16

my god. It's

51:17

definitely them. It

51:19

would be

51:22

so hot. I do think that there could be because we've left off We've

51:24

left off a possibility that she

51:26

knows exactly what he is

51:27

and he knows exactly what she is and

51:29

they both like it

51:32

that way. way. Yeah. It's a nightmare,

51:34

but it happens. Yeah.

51:36

Yeah. Get your your center

51:38

left, you know,

51:40

Neo Live, you

51:42

know, Instagram posting, you

51:44

know, about what charity to

51:46

donate person who is,

51:48

like, deep

51:50

into someone who post their pickup truck stuff. And it was like, we just

51:52

don't talk about politics. Yeah. And

51:54

that relationship gets bad, but sometimes there's still

51:56

a little bit of a spark there.

52:00

Yeah.

52:00

Yep. Yep. Yep. I'm III yep.

52:02

This is I I have scribed to this. I'm

52:04

not saying that that's a good scene. I'm not saying that that's a good scene. I'm

52:05

not saying that good scene.

52:10

but it would be in the that's the sort

52:12

of scene that would pop up in the sort of movie Tony

52:14

Gilroy would make. You know what I mean? A lot

52:16

of these filmmakers would make

52:19

this sort of, like, bad

52:22

relationship still

52:23

very intense

52:26

sex life. Yep. I don't

52:28

know that we're gonna see that, you know. We

52:30

gotta hint that sex might happen

52:32

in this episode. Actually, we gotta hit

52:34

that lesbian sex might happen elsewhere in this episode.

52:36

They're like they're like Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise

52:38

and Iswide shut. Like, that's This is sort

52:40

of

52:40

yeah. That that is like the,

52:42

like, I

52:44

still can't hear you, but I love you.

52:46

You love it. Yes. This

52:48

is what I'm saying. Yeah. That's what

52:51

I'm reading for them. I

52:53

can't believe the first Star Wars fox is gonna be

52:55

a hate fox. Got it. Got it. They

52:57

just increasingly treat each other like shit to

52:59

get the rise they need out of each other -- Yeah. --

53:01

to get these tension they need out of

53:03

each other. Yeah. like,

53:04

the literary fiction, you know,

53:06

prestige drama shit that a hundred

53:08

percent were pulling from. So

53:11

I I could see it. I could see it anyway.

53:13

Just

53:13

as for for

53:15

Raulo.

53:16

You know what, man?

53:20

They could've had long. They

53:24

could. I

53:27

like the car scene. I like them driving around the night

53:30

in Coruscant. What else with

53:31

her space Cadillac, by the way? We didn't

53:33

talk about it. That was a great

53:35

idea. Here's the is

53:38

also, that

53:38

could be a real car brand that

53:40

did that because, like, there's

53:42

a spaceship that pops up in the

53:45

Obi wan show. that was, like,

53:48

designed by Porsche.

53:50

Oh, interesting.

53:54

Interesting. And

53:54

so, like, they they are working product placement

53:56

of the shut. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. I could

53:58

see Yeah. I didn't see

53:59

any logos. I'm not and you'll look in.

54:02

So they can take that money all they want if

54:04

this is what they wanna do. I don't mind this

54:06

being that there's like a sponsored article

54:08

on some

54:10

website somewhere. being like, did you know that the all

54:12

of the cars in andor were

54:14

made by so and so? That's fine.

54:16

I don't care. I didn't get

54:18

my way. Yeah. Take the check. I mean, if anything, I think it just

54:20

like, it's it's re

54:22

the the fact that that design

54:24

is coming from, like, an actual car

54:28

manufacturer is is is moving back to this

54:30

is grounded in, like, a familiar real

54:32

real it's like the real details,

54:34

like, the serial, like, the

54:38

bar,

54:38

etcetera. Why does

54:40

he ask

54:40

Flores to go to take the

54:43

expressway? Is he I wanna be

54:44

home faster and let's get

54:47

get out of here. Okay. I think okay.

54:49

I could read that. That makes sense. I also just

54:51

think it's the thing that we just talked about

54:53

in collateral Rob, which is like

54:55

sometimes you have the person who wants to tell their driver

54:57

to take which way to take because

55:00

it's about exactly It's this you think it's

55:02

like

55:02

this same amount of time, but

55:04

it's just a different way to go. And it's

55:06

just like,

55:06

I think he thinks it's the faster way to get

55:08

home. Right. And I think he's under the

55:11

fact that the driver probably knows the best way

55:13

to go. Yep. Yep. Yep. He's a sort of guy.

55:15

He's like, well, I've been at Coruscant for five

55:18

years -- Yeah. -- or whatever. And

55:20

I know but the expressway is better. And they're gonna go on the

55:22

expressway, and then the Lakers game is gonna get out

55:24

and they're gonna get stuck behind all

55:26

the traffic. Corus

55:28

aren't definitely the home of the space lakers.

55:32

Sorry. I just have to get one thing. This

55:34

is just a stray thought, but Karn's mom

55:37

she has She just just aculates a

55:40

lot when she's talking.

55:42

Mhmm. And

55:42

I don't know if it's

55:43

but there is

55:46

there they're, like, in in all the U novels, there

55:48

was, like, reference to the fact that, like,

55:52

like, like I thought this was

55:54

gonna be another attempt.

55:56

No. It was it was, like,

55:58

the high like, high cast,

56:00

like, core Chorus Chorus

56:02

Society. like,

56:04

did a lot of underscoring

56:07

of meaning with,

56:10

like, really linked to gestures with their hands. And something about the way she

56:12

was, like, gesturing to him

56:14

to, like, make her points,

56:16

also just made me made me think

56:18

of that. Like, just the

56:20

the fact that, like, she speaks

56:22

like no other character we've

56:24

met. Right. Like, the the way she

56:26

uses gesture different than everyone. And, like, I couldn't staring

56:30

at it.

56:32

I love it. It's

56:34

it's so good. It's so incredible.

56:36

I don't know any I wanna

56:38

look up the actress.

56:41

and see what else she's breathing because I I

56:43

don't know her. So And

56:45

she's just fantastic.

56:46

Speaking of people

56:49

who just can't stop needling and testing each other.

56:51

We probably should go to Andor over on

56:54

Aldame. And him waking up to discover

56:56

all his shit

56:58

has been turned out by by

57:00

skiing. And they have

57:02

a conversation before the rest

57:04

of the camp wakes up.

57:06

you know, skiing service planning that Val asked

57:09

him to just check all

57:11

his gear and and sort

57:13

of make sure that everything

57:15

everything was on the up and up, but they had the most

57:18

Michael Man movie ass

57:20

conversation. Dude, like, comparing

57:22

prison cred.

57:24

And

57:25

like, are we on

57:27

a good crew? And can we trust each

57:29

other on this crew? It's

57:32

incredible.

57:33

And our specifically

57:37

recognizes prison tattoos or

57:39

or or gang

57:41

tattoos, Have you seen tattoos like

57:42

this ever before in Star

57:45

Wars? I this

57:46

Ever before, I would say, probably

57:47

in the EU stuff. We

57:50

have something civilant. I wonder if on the Rayco Hardean

57:52

arc, we saw stuff like this in the prison in

57:54

the background. You know, people had, like, got tied up,

57:56

like, crazy

57:58

were clones.

57:59

Yeah. This is true.

58:02

And, yeah, he's like he recognizes

58:04

the crate head tattoo and

58:06

the by the hand tattoo. And

58:09

and scheme specifically is like, rest

58:11

of these folks don't know don't have a

58:13

clue. They have no idea what these are,

58:15

which is so fun. that they don't

58:17

understand they're working with who's done some you know. But -- Yeah. --

58:20

also like

58:22

skiing so clearly not

58:24

trust Andor because when AES, where were

58:26

you? Andor says he went to

58:28

CECPO. It's a youth center to three years

58:30

there. And skiing is immediately

58:32

with, like, I never heard of

58:34

it. And andor

58:36

plays it off the right way, which

58:38

is, like, yeah, I don't care. It was, like, you

58:40

didn't miss much. but it's it's real in this jewelry facility. What

58:43

do you want from me? But we also get

58:45

a an incredible line from

58:48

skiing. They built a lot

58:50

of cages. The x for gets, but

58:52

the tree remembers. Now it's our turn to do the chopping.

58:54

Which is the name of the episode, is the x

58:58

for gets. excellent line.

59:00

So good. The axar gets what

59:02

the tree remembers. Good

59:06

shit. Their relationship is also great at this

59:08

moment. I mean, It remains

59:10

tense and we'll come back to that in a

59:12

bit, but there is the bit of

59:14

skiing looking out among the group

59:16

and kind of giving the run

59:18

down again. you know, obviously, at this point Who's Andor says? Like,

59:20

he's like, I like to work alone because

59:22

groups always they always it always breaks at the

59:24

weakest point.

59:26

And the weird thing in skiing immediately says, oh, you're

59:28

thinking about the kids. But Andrew is actually looking at skiing too.

59:31

So, like, I I do

59:33

think skiing lay let me address

59:35

anyone. trying to out who link. Skien's had those same

59:38

questions. Yeah.

59:40

Yeah. Totally. And so he goes through the group

59:44

and you know, says the, you know, mimic is green,

59:46

but he's like a true believer. He's all the

59:48

way in and talks

59:50

about sinta

59:52

sinta being being, like, the hardest of them actually, just,

59:54

like, absolutely stone cold. And also

59:56

is, like and also, by the

59:58

way, she's already

59:59

sharing

59:59

a blanket. not

1:00:02

knowing that that's when you get Sandor fired

1:00:04

up. Like, this is this is

1:00:06

what Vik's alluded to is,

1:00:09

Andrew's rep was like,

1:00:12

married

1:00:13

women

1:00:14

on Facebook. And or

1:00:16

and or Always a result. Please

1:00:18

don't hit

1:00:18

on the lesbian. Please

1:00:20

begging you. Please do it anyway. Sorry. He's

1:00:22

done it. It did already He did do

1:00:25

it. say any words. He did do it.

1:00:27

You can say words with

1:00:29

your eyes. So I speak volume. So, like,

1:00:31

I you know, but be

1:00:34

careful, please. Don't

1:00:36

want the phone. don't rock

1:00:38

to boat. You're here to get paid, not to get

1:00:40

laid. Shoot a shoot. Shoot a

1:00:42

shoot. Shoot a do shoot. Oh, we know

1:00:44

he's a shooter. He shoots first. Do

1:00:48

we know change worse. You missed

1:00:50

you missed a hundred

1:00:52

percent. Well,

1:00:55

the shot he should be shooting is with

1:00:57

the theory, the cute theory,

1:00:59

dynamic -- Agreed. -- recent. He's probably

1:01:01

a little bit younger for him,

1:01:03

but is is so charming.

1:01:05

And he's exactly the sort

1:01:07

of person the the

1:01:09

rebellion. This is the sort of person Star Wars

1:01:11

has needed for a

1:01:14

long time. I will probably just

1:01:16

drop this conversation in -- Yeah. -- about the the cat

1:01:18

or the navigation device space that

1:01:21

follows from there. Mhmm. Uh-huh.

1:01:25

Yes.

1:01:28

That's

1:01:31

another one. Old. and

1:01:33

true and sturdy. One of the

1:01:35

best navigational tools ever built.

1:01:38

Can't be jammed or intercepted. Something breaks,

1:01:40

you can fix

1:01:42

it yourself. hard to learn. Yes.

1:01:44

But once you've mastered it, you're

1:01:46

free. We've grown reliant on

1:01:48

Imperial

1:01:48

Tech and we've made ourselves

1:01:50

vulnerable. a growing list of things we've known

1:01:52

and forgotten, things they pushed us to forget,

1:01:54

things like freedom. Amex

1:01:57

is a prime and everywhere. Scheme pretends not

1:01:59

to

1:01:59

listen, but I know the message is sinking

1:02:02

in. He's writing

1:02:04

a manifesto.

1:02:04

did

1:02:07

he tell you? Apparently, the only thing keeping us from Liberty

1:02:08

is a few more ideas. A few more ideas.

1:02:10

I mean, it's so confusing. Isn't it so

1:02:12

much going wrong? So much to say in all

1:02:15

of it happened? so quickly. The pace of repression outstrips

1:02:17

our ability to understand it, and that is the real

1:02:20

trick of the Imperial thought machine. It's easier to

1:02:22

buy buying

1:02:24

forty a prosities in a single incident, but they have a fight on

1:02:26

their hands, don't they? Our

1:02:28

elemental rights are such a simple

1:02:28

thing to hold. They will have to shake the galaxy

1:02:31

awfully hard to loosen our grip. I'd

1:02:33

like to hear what

1:02:35

clumber leaves. I

1:02:37

know what

1:02:38

I'm against.

1:02:40

Everything else will have to wait.

1:02:42

I don't need to.

1:02:44

I love

1:02:45

that. And

1:02:48

then and then I there's this one

1:02:50

last little little

1:02:52

analogy, right,

1:02:54

in which he lifts up the the book

1:02:56

and the the camera thing,

1:02:58

and he's like, you know, look,

1:03:00

you know, one of one of these is is one of these

1:03:03

charts of a path through the stars and

1:03:05

this one max political consciousness. They

1:03:07

both help us achievable

1:03:10

outcomes. It's bad. It's a bizarre

1:03:12

thing. theory of trenching them

1:03:14

off, and that's where it's gonna die.

1:03:17

It's very funny

1:03:17

that he love him for it. It's his it's

1:03:20

his

1:03:20

own manifesto that he holds up.

1:03:22

Like, it's not, like, some somebody else that

1:03:24

he admired his business is there. Right.

1:03:26

Right.

1:03:26

Right. Right. Someone has to fucking do the work. You gotta back yourselves. You gotta, you

1:03:29

know, I I You need

1:03:31

this boy so bad They

1:03:33

needed they needed an ideology master. So

1:03:36

bad -- Yeah. -- because someone

1:03:38

has to give these disparate

1:03:40

groups the language

1:03:42

to understand that they're all on the

1:03:44

same fucking side. This boy is due, which is which is a follow-up question.

1:03:46

He he I feel like he dies. I'd

1:03:47

I'd just say Oh, yeah. I

1:03:49

feel like he's gonna die. Oh, My

1:03:51

only question is does he die in a way that

1:03:54

radicalizes Andor or that pushes

1:03:56

him further towards

1:03:58

distancing sentences?

1:03:59

I think it radicalizes him. I think this show is I

1:04:02

think this show is a hopeful We could either leave

1:04:04

with the

1:04:04

manifesto in his in his podcast. Yes.

1:04:06

I think so. Allie.

1:04:08

I agree. Yeah. I don't know. I think there's something with Andrew where

1:04:11

it's like I think what

1:04:13

makes Andrew an interesting character

1:04:16

especially in this, like, like, people's motivations for

1:04:19

doing what they do

1:04:19

can be shallow, but the fact that they're doing it is

1:04:22

what's important. Like, especially in the

1:04:24

first

1:04:24

arc that, like,

1:04:26

The third episode drop of realizing that Andor is not

1:04:28

just a person who will shoot first. He

1:04:30

is someone who has,

1:04:31

like, this resentment already,

1:04:33

even if it's for a

1:04:35

great reason. Like -- Mhmm. -- I don't feel like Inor

1:04:38

needs to have the moment of,

1:04:40

like, oh, I feel

1:04:41

differently about this now. Like, you

1:04:44

know, like, he already the anger is already there, and that's what sets him apart from,

1:04:46

like, the Han Solo moment of, like, I have

1:04:48

to

1:04:48

go back and get my friends. Like,

1:04:50

Andor

1:04:50

is in it. He's already in it.

1:04:52

you'd already in it you there

1:04:53

He's there. Yeah. Yeah. But the there is

1:04:55

also there is a focus on

1:04:58

personal reasons for being

1:05:00

there, which we see again

1:05:02

later when get when we do get

1:05:04

schemes, right, the thing is like and we get gorges also. Right? We consistently

1:05:06

get to like, why are these people here?

1:05:08

That's important to this show.

1:05:11

And I could imagine it becoming important

1:05:14

to Andor if we

1:05:16

are going to see Andor ever get close to

1:05:18

other people. And it's hard to know

1:05:20

because like I'm not even rewatch

1:05:22

Rogue One in forever. And it's

1:05:24

hard to know given some of the incredible

1:05:26

quotes that have come out, whether Tony

1:05:28

Gilroy cares about linking up

1:05:30

with that that. Mhmm. You know, the the the folks on this I mean, again, Gilroy

1:05:32

was part of that

1:05:34

production. But I guess, I'm I'm referencing a

1:05:36

quote that I should I

1:05:38

should read Tony

1:05:40

Gillette on Cat. This is this is from Phil

1:05:42

Sonostack on Twitter. Tony Gillette

1:05:44

on Cassie and it's predestined's death. Well,

1:05:47

why should we care? It's a

1:05:49

prequel of a prequel. I

1:05:52

said, we're all gonna die and yet we'd get

1:05:54

up every day. And

1:05:56

on Andor's slow burn, Gohr

1:05:59

is said, you can't cash a check if you haven't put

1:05:59

money in the bank, which is like

1:06:02

the line somewhere in

1:06:03

the show, which It's

1:06:06

true. And I think that that bit is like

1:06:09

I do think it the show

1:06:11

does feel kind of radically free

1:06:13

from Rogue One in a way that

1:06:15

for instance Obi wan could not

1:06:17

let itself be from

1:06:19

its source shows which

1:06:22

we'll talk about sometime soon on the Patreon.

1:06:24

Mhmm. It sounds like Rob is watching that

1:06:26

show. So yeah. Anyway, I

1:06:29

do think that it's important. I'm still not. I do think Nemic

1:06:31

is probably dead, you know, by

1:06:33

this time you get

1:06:35

a strong boomed like --

1:06:38

Yeah. -- the doom is heavy

1:06:39

upon. He's too wholesome. He's too good.

1:06:41

He's too pure he's he

1:06:43

has the purest relationship to this, I guess, that

1:06:45

we can see. Or at least the show wants us

1:06:47

to believe The other

1:06:49

hand, Turkey never killed

1:06:51

any of them, Hobbits.

1:06:53

You know, she's got

1:06:55

a robot energy. Think about

1:06:57

how much worse it'll sting

1:06:59

five episodes from now. vendemic

1:07:02

dies for real if he pulls if they

1:07:04

all get out of this one alive. If

1:07:06

they all get out of this one alive in the end

1:07:08

of the season as some of them

1:07:10

get got. and and or hits rock bottom, but then

1:07:12

gets super committed. You know, I think how much it

1:07:14

would stay. pandemic dies next

1:07:16

season in

1:07:18

internessing rebel, like,

1:07:20

cell war. That saw

1:07:22

Gaire's exiled because he was, like, Nevak

1:07:24

was holding his back. His scruples his

1:07:27

words were valuable, but he'd served his

1:07:30

purpose. Better at this border.

1:07:32

Yeah. Then Yes.

1:07:34

This is the most honest ending

1:07:36

to the radical theorists is is to

1:07:39

be killed internally. Yeah. Uh-huh.

1:07:41

So let's actually like,

1:07:43

talk like, talking about

1:07:46

these these motivation things. I

1:07:48

think touches on obviously, the

1:07:50

climax comes

1:07:52

when skiing

1:07:52

grabs the sky kiber. And sort of

1:07:54

calls, I asked the very good question.

1:07:57

With a knife, yes. And

1:07:59

that's the very

1:07:59

question who brings up treasure to a

1:08:02

robbery. But also,

1:08:04

like, I feel like it

1:08:05

ties into

1:08:08

when they give him the briefing. Like, they're asking him a question. They're

1:08:10

like, how hey. Pop

1:08:12

quiz hotshot. How do we how would

1:08:14

you fly

1:08:16

this freighter? out of the Imperial Payroll

1:08:18

Hanger. And he sort of figures out real quickly that it's not like they don't

1:08:20

know the answer. They're

1:08:23

trying to be like, prove you can

1:08:25

do it and they just have no clue what's going on.

1:08:27

And it dawns on him rules. They can't without him, they couldn't have

1:08:30

done this this robbery. They they

1:08:32

come this close and they had

1:08:34

not answered key questions about, like, the practicalities of

1:08:37

of carrying the softening.

1:08:39

He laughs at them. that

1:08:41

is astonishing they that that they get to

1:08:43

this point. They they don't know this stuff. But one of the things that comes up here is he's a

1:08:45

mercenary. Everyone else is a

1:08:48

true believer. But

1:08:51

also, I look at him

1:08:53

and, like, to an extent, I I

1:08:55

would say, like, is the story of

1:08:57

Pandora This is how a mercenary becomes a true believer. Or is there

1:08:59

something about the fact that he is a mercenary that lets him see things

1:09:01

and do things in a way that

1:09:04

true believer cannot,

1:09:06

but the show was getting out. Right. Is

1:09:08

there a value in the

1:09:11

in in the objective

1:09:14

role of the mercenary

1:09:16

in in the Valley Inn. A thing they didn't

1:09:18

ever do is go to Gorn, who,

1:09:19

as a reminder,

1:09:22

people listening who aren't

1:09:24

watching, is the Imperiallieutenant at the base who

1:09:26

is a turncoat who's on their side for reasons we'll get into. And

1:09:28

they never went to him and

1:09:30

said, hey, can you get a

1:09:34

Like, can

1:09:35

you can you super confirm that there's nothing in

1:09:37

there that we don't know about? Here's a

1:09:39

question we want confirmed. They didn't

1:09:41

do that. And I think part of what

1:09:43

it seems like the show is saying in regards to what

1:09:45

mercenaries can do that true believers can't

1:09:47

is doubt themselves. Right? That,

1:09:49

like, if Val and

1:09:52

the others verbal

1:09:53

verbalized all of the doubts that they had and all of the weaknesses that they

1:09:55

knew that they had, they might break because

1:09:59

they are occurring so much

1:10:01

of the project on their backs already. Mhmm. Cassian can have a distance from it and be

1:10:03

the guy who

1:10:07

cares about practicalities. and it

1:10:09

can say, this thing, you don't know how this thing actually works. We don't know how this thing

1:10:11

actually works. Are you sure about

1:10:14

details a, b, and c?

1:10:17

And he's like free to do

1:10:20

that because

1:10:20

Because by doing that, you're not sowing

1:10:22

seeds of doubt in in the in

1:10:24

the potential

1:10:26

success of the mission itself. Like,

1:10:28

I feel like there's a hesitancy to

1:10:30

question things because you don't wanna open

1:10:33

up holes in in the plan and then

1:10:35

just go and spiral down. Well,

1:10:37

this is this is unsolvable.

1:10:39

We can't do this. Also,

1:10:43

their rookies

1:10:44

is the other half of this. They're

1:10:46

rookies and they've been here

1:10:47

for months, like,

1:10:52

meticulously strategizing something that is almost an impossible

1:10:54

mission to pull off. Like, you've been here

1:10:58

for months trying to an

1:11:00

impossible problem. And you're

1:11:02

still here days before it's

1:11:04

time to do it and you

1:11:07

still don't have the answer.

1:11:09

never played the big game before. You've

1:11:12

never been in the playoffs. Yeah. You

1:11:14

don't have that that it's scary out

1:11:16

there. You know what I mean?

1:11:18

And they're and they're not familiar with those jitters. They don't have the familiarity with

1:11:20

stage fright that they need to know

1:11:22

that stage fright is part of a

1:11:26

problem. Right? Or a part of is is is

1:11:29

normal. It's not part of the problem that everybody gets staged.

1:11:31

Right? And that that's part

1:11:34

of the process. And there's also, like,

1:11:36

the fact that he's that

1:11:39

he impressed them on

1:11:41

these points, and there's also an

1:11:43

element of It's not that, like,

1:11:45

he has his reasons for hating

1:11:47

the empire. Mhmm. But

1:11:49

he's not going to throw his life away, like

1:11:52

he's seen happen with other people, you

1:11:54

know, who who've tried to strike a blow,

1:11:56

and that and that's it. you know,

1:11:58

to he's he's very much. You can see him giving the Michael Man speech. Do you see me holding up, like

1:12:00

liquor stores that

1:12:03

Warren Lou's tattoo? you

1:12:06

can see that. But it also enables

1:12:08

him, I think, to he can

1:12:10

sort of make this a precondition. If

1:12:12

he's there, It's serious. Like, that is the role he's carving out

1:12:14

for himself is, like, I kind of I work with the best. And the reason I know

1:12:16

of I'm working with

1:12:19

the best is because only

1:12:22

the best would be willing to pay

1:12:24

what I'm going to ask. Like, if if

1:12:26

it's, like, a a crew like this

1:12:29

could easily be thrown away. You know what

1:12:31

I mean? Like, just in in like, it wouldn't matter if a half ass

1:12:33

terracell or or rebel

1:12:36

cell, like, try

1:12:38

something that doesn't work. But, like, if

1:12:40

you invest someone like Andor,

1:12:43

it's at least a more a

1:12:45

more serious plot than a bunch of

1:12:47

people who are like, we're going to be

1:12:49

the spark that ignites the fire. Let's try something.

1:12:51

That's that's partly what

1:12:56

what fulfilling here. And I am curious, you

1:12:58

know, it has been a while since the watch broke one. I'm not

1:13:00

sure

1:13:01

i'm not sure him

1:13:03

being a true believer or a mercenaries inconsistent

1:13:05

with what we who we see in

1:13:07

that movie at all. I don't

1:13:09

quite

1:13:09

remember. I that's the

1:13:11

thing. gonna way in until I Gotcha.

1:13:13

Yeah. That's the thing that I I just don't really remember what Cassians, like,

1:13:15

vibes are like in that movie,

1:13:18

to be honest. I

1:13:20

like, Jen or or so,

1:13:22

like, you know, famously says that some of us don't have the luxury

1:13:24

of political positions. Mhmm. And so

1:13:26

they put that on her a lot.

1:13:31

Yeah. But I don't remember how he

1:13:33

is situated against that. So

1:13:35

I don't wanna guess. Mhmm. A

1:13:37

small detail, having that looking

1:13:39

at these these scenes again, but I

1:13:41

just wanna shout out. It's just a costuming in the show. It's so good.

1:13:43

One very specific thing. is

1:13:47

for Imperial folks from the

1:13:50

ISP,

1:13:51

from the the

1:13:54

base where where corn is, and even

1:13:57

and even Mon mothma

1:13:59

and

1:13:59

Perron, a lot of their

1:14:02

the materials on their fashion are

1:14:04

very smooth. You're not seeing the cotton twill.

1:14:07

You're not seeing any sort of

1:14:11

detailing or texture. you know, you might see

1:14:13

some some some pleading or some seams or something. You know what I mean? Mhmm. But you're

1:14:16

not seeing

1:14:19

Everything is flat. And I also think

1:14:20

historically, you're thinking about, like, the

1:14:22

prequel fast since a fashion. Everything

1:14:24

is flat. You know,

1:14:27

Jedi robes are, like, a flat beige

1:14:29

texture almost. Right? But if you look at the stuff that

1:14:31

the rebels are wearing at

1:14:35

the base from the shirt that that Cas

1:14:37

is wearing to the hoodies that people are wearing. All of the

1:14:39

pants, everything has

1:14:44

this extra very visible texture

1:14:46

that that, you know, the materials are not hyper refined -- Right. -- and not,

1:14:48

you know, put

1:14:51

through, you know, I

1:14:54

mean, they're they're all probably They're machine

1:14:56

manufactured, honestly. But they're but

1:14:58

they all have that that texture

1:15:01

of of less industrialized clothing, you know? Same. Skin

1:15:03

is wearing print print the pants

1:15:05

with a print on them. Like,

1:15:08

there is a

1:15:11

sense of of an extra layer of physicality

1:15:14

to all that stuff, and it's great.

1:15:16

Mhmm. Even

1:15:18

even I mean, I'm reminded of the conversation we had of

1:15:20

the the difference with the corporate

1:15:22

cop the corporal cops. Right.

1:15:24

Like, all all of them in

1:15:26

the offices and

1:15:27

stuff like that the

1:15:30

difference between the tailoring. almost emphasized Karnes

1:15:36

like the effect

1:15:38

of him tailoring to really emulate the clean, flat,

1:15:44

like, pristine, you know, texture,

1:15:46

look feel of the imperial clothing.

1:15:48

Like, I feel that

1:15:50

so much more as we

1:15:53

the you know,

1:15:54

spend more time with with these characters

1:15:56

in their clothes.

1:15:57

Mhmm. I

1:15:58

There you

1:15:59

go.

1:15:59

I wanted to to call

1:16:02

out at the scene where they're marching. Another great transition here too.

1:16:04

So after

1:16:07

the whole interrogation

1:16:09

between Belle and and or figuring out

1:16:12

what the strategy was

1:16:14

going to be. Now they

1:16:18

sort of question Clint, and

1:16:20

say, hey, can you do you even know

1:16:22

how to walk like an Imperial? Do you know

1:16:24

how to walk like a soldier? So

1:16:27

they do this little to march outside,

1:16:29

which is like it it is at

1:16:31

the same time, like,

1:16:34

a bit silly and, like, almost childlike, it it

1:16:37

like, it's, like, watching kids play,

1:16:39

you know, army or play soldiers in

1:16:41

the way that they're, like, marching. But

1:16:43

you're also, like, tomorrow,

1:16:45

you're marching on the base. Like, tomorrow like, this is very real, but there's still, like,

1:16:48

a weird

1:16:52

feeling of, like, a mad like,

1:16:54

we're a mad imagination in this moment. The

1:16:56

the the match

1:16:58

cut at the end of

1:17:00

seen is to the one

1:17:02

we already talked about with Tigo and Brevin, where

1:17:04

Imperial soldiers are

1:17:06

marching -- Right. -- in

1:17:08

pharynx. and

1:17:10

the revelation via Tigo, they're all fucking pretending. Right? The imperial soldiers don't have

1:17:13

it.

1:17:14

They never

1:17:16

had Like, there are a

1:17:18

bunch of they're they're all just like every they are also pretending to

1:17:20

be important people. Right.

1:17:21

And they wanna be called prefect.

1:17:24

So, like, I

1:17:27

think that that that you've you've hit

1:17:28

exactly what's happening. It's like they're going to go

1:17:30

to the same process that these soldiers and

1:17:33

I mean, we also just see

1:17:35

other soldiers getting you know, scolded in in

1:17:37

this episode who clearly, like, they feel like they're in

1:17:40

school. They do feel

1:17:42

like little kids. So I

1:17:44

think that, like, reverse of that here

1:17:46

is very fun. You're right. Yeah. They also sorry.

1:17:48

Go ahead, Rob. Well, I

1:17:50

just, like,

1:17:50

a detail I like just to

1:17:53

like the practicality of it, that

1:17:55

they built their entire base in scale with the location be hitting.

1:18:00

So they've lived this place for months,

1:18:02

but also the way they've, like, dressed up this little, like, shepherds camp also

1:18:05

just happens to be

1:18:07

a completely unrest noisable

1:18:10

one to one mock up

1:18:12

of of the

1:18:14

base they're striking. Yeah. It's

1:18:16

such it's such a good

1:18:18

it it really makes you feel like

1:18:20

they've been here for months. And like

1:18:23

this

1:18:23

like, the whole their

1:18:24

whole lives, their all of their mind

1:18:26

and focus and everything has been about this one

1:18:30

day, this one mission.

1:18:33

and everything is an

1:18:35

extension of that, including their

1:18:37

living

1:18:38

quarters and everything. I love

1:18:40

Cassian man

1:18:44

explaining, walking, and

1:18:46

guns. I I

1:18:49

just I love this

1:18:51

moment because it's, like, how does Cassian

1:18:53

knows that from having served,

1:18:55

question mark, but we

1:18:57

know that he was

1:19:00

a cook. does Cassia know that from

1:19:02

having observed watching, you know, soldiers? Like, is that, like,

1:19:04

just an image burned into

1:19:06

his brain? Like, how does he

1:19:09

Where does that

1:19:10

detail He's kicked down doors

1:19:12

in heists and stuff before because we

1:19:14

know he's done. Like, whether

1:19:16

or how much he the degree

1:19:18

which he served is, like, many things -- Embedded. Yeah. -- but we know that he used

1:19:22

to run jobs Right. And steel stuff. Right. And, like, I guarantee there are times that

1:19:25

he's gone into the door and the person to

1:19:27

his left is cross shooting him.

1:19:29

And he's, like, bro,

1:19:31

like Yeah. you know, doorstop.

1:19:33

Doorstop. Yeah. I I think, like but

1:19:36

also, they don't

1:19:39

know that he has

1:19:40

done this before. He has walked out on

1:19:42

an imperial lake like he owns it and walked to the star path unit and walked out

1:19:45

of it. Right. And that's all it to

1:19:47

be looking like he belongs. they

1:19:50

they don't know that, like, one of the

1:19:52

other skills he brings that he's he's this chameleon. And

1:19:54

there's one that I was thinking is, like, they're

1:19:56

trying too hard. as they're marching. I'm, like,

1:19:59

I'm, like, I don't think this I think you stand out at a Garrison like this. And that's what we

1:20:01

learn when we cut

1:20:03

to lieutenant Gorn They

1:20:07

don't

1:20:07

hit like, as you said, Austin, none of them

1:20:09

haven't like them especially here. Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:11

They're drinking beers and

1:20:13

doing Target practice at the old There should

1:20:15

be a built campbellic temple. Yeah. Uh-huh.

1:20:17

This is Fuck. We

1:20:18

get the, you know, the the the

1:20:20

sort of the sort of cut here is

1:20:23

we get the Oh, Because the end of the marching thing. Yeah. This is Is

1:20:25

the is the tie fighter coming back? Which

1:20:27

is just

1:20:29

yeah

1:20:31

Nope. Hell no.

1:20:32

now now Hell, fucking.

1:20:34

No. No. Thank you. And yes. Like a shark. It is.

1:20:40

It is.

1:20:40

It's so good.

1:20:42

It's so it's so scary. It is so scary. And it is so

1:20:48

violating. Like, the

1:20:50

way it cuts through

1:20:52

space feels like

1:20:54

violent. The way it

1:20:56

hovers for a like, it

1:20:58

dips around the corner of a of a mountain. Yeah. And someone's like, I think it's gone. No.

1:21:00

And then I is it is it

1:21:02

Cynthia who's like, I don't think so.

1:21:06

and it just kind of pops back up

1:21:09

over the mountain, the over

1:21:11

the tree line, and

1:21:13

it just hovers there

1:21:15

for a second like Like

1:21:17

Like, it's making a

1:21:18

decision. Yeah. Totally. Something leaping up like it's making decision and then it does that sweep. Yeah. And

1:21:20

it's just fuck

1:21:23

off. It's awful.

1:21:25

It's

1:21:25

so loud. It's so, like, unbearably

1:21:28

loud. Oh, but don't worry.

1:21:30

They'll they'll soon see

1:21:32

a surprise.

1:21:32

choppies

1:21:35

refer See, this is the thing. I'm not actually that sold on Nevak

1:21:37

because he's gotta have his little fucking quotable

1:21:39

with everything. That's not what he's but

1:21:42

what is he doing in that scene?

1:21:44

He's

1:21:44

trying to he's putting

1:21:46

words to the feeling that everyone's feeling. I think he's I think he's

1:21:49

trying

1:21:49

to go calm

1:21:52

down and he goes over to

1:21:54

Andor and puts a hand on his shoulder. And he's like, listen, they'll see. Like,

1:21:59

it's

1:21:59

okay, buddy. He's trying to carefully As

1:22:02

my as my little red book tells us a surprise. Yes.

1:22:04

A hundred percent. comrades,

1:22:07

I know you fear I

1:22:09

the the the enemies I know we cringe beneath the umbrella of the Thai fighters,

1:22:11

but the does not know

1:22:14

that a surprise from And

1:22:17

they're

1:22:18

right. Yeah. Yep. He's right? I mean, it it's it's also such a good

1:22:19

book item for, like,

1:22:22

such a petty aggression. like,

1:22:26

the the thought that the the

1:22:28

ship would stop and, like,

1:22:30

just, like, rev engines around

1:22:33

them to, like, intimidate

1:22:35

them when, like, the person in that ship knows

1:22:37

that there's gonna be a bunch of travelers to this specific place. Oh. And they both really

1:22:40

wanna, you know, see how cool

1:22:42

the sky is, but also are,

1:22:44

like, to

1:22:46

also garner racist people. Yeah. Uh-huh. That, like, it's the perfect

1:22:48

moment to be, like,

1:22:51

yeah. They're the they

1:22:54

throw their punches, but we're

1:22:55

gonna throw ours. Mhmm. Yeah. I

1:22:57

do like that because it's, like,

1:22:59

this isn't even,

1:23:01

like, quote unquote, real like,

1:23:02

a real attack. You know what I mean?

1:23:05

Like, this is this is just intimidation.

1:23:07

This is just, you know,

1:23:09

these cops being fucking

1:23:12

petty and and just just being disruptive and disturbing

1:23:14

because they're not yeah. So They

1:23:16

don't even believe

1:23:17

in what they have, which

1:23:18

is I think part of what

1:23:22

comes out of these gorn scenes, which Rob, I know you

1:23:24

wanted to to -- Yes. -- to disease. Yeah.

1:23:26

I mean, there's there's a couple of things. One

1:23:28

is that Like,

1:23:29

there's laser performance to what Gorn is doing. Right? Where he's he's playing a

1:23:31

bit of the Martin that, trying to, like, whip this Garrison

1:23:36

into shape and badgering them

1:23:38

about all the shit they've been up to and the way it's gonna keeping up the standard. But this is based on real disdain

1:23:41

for them. A

1:23:44

real dislike But also

1:23:46

because he's playing that character, he backflips them so much. Like, when he sees they've been

1:23:49

shooting up

1:23:52

the temple, And he's like, we're going to get

1:23:54

this clean for when the albani show up. Like, clearly, at least we we haven't gone this far where it's like,

1:23:56

we still at least

1:23:58

pretend to respect these traditions,

1:24:00

people, we chase off this land, which they might

1:24:02

be paving over next year is sort of the implication he has with

1:24:05

a with a, you know, conversation he

1:24:07

has with that corporate. Right. But,

1:24:10

like, by back footing them, looking out over

1:24:12

the the valley and being

1:24:15

like, it's beautiful, isn't it?

1:24:17

and the corporal's like, is it true they're gonna tear all this

1:24:19

down and move the airbase here and it's kinda flatten

1:24:23

it? And like The thing

1:24:25

that's so fascinating to me is just like,

1:24:27

this guy, the two people

1:24:29

you're about to talk to

1:24:31

inside, his his the

1:24:34

other two, like, I guess it's this guy again and another

1:24:36

different guy maybe.

1:24:38

They don't have they

1:24:41

don't have any wonder for what the empire is doing even. They don't even

1:24:43

they're not bought in in any meaningful way. They're not like,

1:24:45

when when he says together, they're gonna

1:24:47

turn it into airbase.

1:24:51

He neither can say, it's a shame.

1:24:53

It's such a beautiful view. But, oh,

1:24:55

wow. That's what's best for the world. Nor

1:24:57

can he say, I can't wait to see

1:24:59

it go. This you know, what this

1:25:01

place needs is more efficiency or more. You know what I mean? He has nothing. He's not.

1:25:03

He's fully a cog in the

1:25:06

system and has no vision for

1:25:09

a bigger project. I think it's so interesting to contrast that

1:25:11

with it's visibly a part

1:25:14

of what is being

1:25:16

contrasted between

1:25:18

the rebels who all have their particular reasons

1:25:20

for being here and these

1:25:22

guys who are like,

1:25:24

these smelly Donnie's which

1:25:28

is

1:25:28

wild. Just

1:25:31

poof.

1:25:31

I mean, it's And

1:25:33

and the fact that

1:25:34

then the next two guys are Well, everyone

1:25:36

says that, like, the whole reason

1:25:38

to, like, get get, you know, enlisted to

1:25:41

Aldani is to see the

1:25:43

eye and, like, I

1:25:46

think it would really mean a lot to the soldiers if you could let us, like, have the night off to go see the eye. And it's, like,

1:25:48

in in the same -- No. Go

1:25:50

ahead. -- and in the same sentence,

1:25:55

shitting on the people who fucking live here

1:25:57

and who have, like, a

1:25:59

real relationship with

1:26:02

this event Like, you are gonna be posting and

1:26:05

they

1:26:05

are going

1:26:07

to be seeing

1:26:09

an experiencing and living. And

1:26:12

it's just it's just it's peak

1:26:14

fucking gentrification. It's like, call it,

1:26:16

like, colonization. I don't like, they've

1:26:18

they've come to to somebody else's land,

1:26:20

they've pushed them into,

1:26:22

you know, other

1:26:24

other

1:26:25

areas that they didn't

1:26:27

live in prior. they grant them the

1:26:29

ability to come back to perform their little ritual as I guess

1:26:32

a, you

1:26:35

know, a piece like, oh, well,

1:26:37

we we were still respecting the culture. We just we have to be here

1:26:39

because this is

1:26:43

where the best possible place for this military operation

1:26:45

to be. We just it's unfortunate, but we just have to be

1:26:47

here. I'm sorry.

1:26:50

That's the official imperial stance. Like, that's the official Imperial

1:26:53

PR statement that's gonna

1:26:55

come out. But in reality,

1:26:57

the people patrolling that make

1:26:59

up this space fucking

1:27:01

hate the El Donis and think

1:27:03

that they're and are just And so there's no, like

1:27:06

I don't know. That's how I

1:27:10

view it. I I view it as this, like, outside force

1:27:12

coming into somebody else's land. And but

1:27:15

still having an appreciation for

1:27:17

or quote and quote appreciation for the phenomenon that

1:27:19

exists here and a complete disregard

1:27:22

for the people and culture

1:27:24

that have existing

1:27:26

relationships to

1:27:27

it. It is so

1:27:29

exactly that, like, colonizer thing of we can truly

1:27:31

appreciate the beauty here, shame about all the

1:27:33

people who lived here. And

1:27:35

and not, like, Not

1:27:38

shame what we had to do with

1:27:40

them. Shame that they were here at all. Like,

1:27:42

the shame that shame that the fact of them.

1:27:45

And, you know, but there's there's a weird I don't

1:27:47

know. It's what's interesting is that I

1:27:49

find like, this is a sad

1:27:51

Imperial base base sickly.

1:27:55

Like, the soldiers are lonely, they're bored, and

1:27:58

they they they hate

1:27:59

this job. But the only thing

1:28:02

the only perk with it is that

1:28:05

it's in this, like, you know, you can you can like,

1:28:07

when the job sucks too much, you can go out on the dam and,

1:28:09

like, stare off into

1:28:11

this incredible vista. But

1:28:15

you also can't fully see, like, that you're the

1:28:17

ones destroying it. You know what I mean?

1:28:19

That, like, that, like,

1:28:22

The reason the the thing that sucks here is not the

1:28:24

place. It's it's the job you've been sent to

1:28:26

do. It's the the the people you

1:28:29

work for. And the next people who

1:28:31

garrisoned this place are gonna have it even

1:28:33

worse because they're gonna flatten this entire range

1:28:35

and build a

1:28:38

giant like airbase. Right. slowly

1:28:39

but surely six Right. Yeah. Slowly but surely

1:28:41

the

1:28:42

planet will lose all of all

1:28:47

of its original makeup and will become

1:28:50

an industrial, like, mechanical planet. It'll be

1:28:53

a like, the whole planet will be

1:28:55

metal and and, you know,

1:28:58

walls and facilities, and

1:29:00

there will be no

1:29:02

Vista. The Vista will be like

1:29:04

most of our vibes, like, just like,

1:29:07

you know, big structures and and Or

1:29:09

like that base that tarkin

1:29:11

had that entire, like, where

1:29:16

where a soko was held prisoner at the end

1:29:18

of last season where it's just like endless expanse

1:29:20

of concrete and barrens. Right. and, like,

1:29:23

to the horizon effectively. Right. That's what

1:29:25

I imagine. Which comes back to this

1:29:27

conversation we've had now multiple times

1:29:29

about the place of technology. in Star Wars

1:29:31

and the like, I think that there's a really

1:29:33

nice bit of texture added by the

1:29:35

NEMEX scene that we played

1:29:37

earlier with the navigation tool

1:29:40

because it it you know,

1:29:42

in the same way that the rebels also have spaceships and the relationship between Imperial Technology

1:29:48

and rebel technology is like a little complicated

1:29:50

in the original series. It's not it's not as simple as nature is on

1:29:54

one side and machines are on the other, but the

1:29:56

force is on one side. And one of the

1:29:58

things that the force is is like knowledge

1:30:02

and connection and the thing that NEMEX zeroes in on is we used to

1:30:04

know things. We used to be connected to things. We

1:30:06

have been de skilled. We're using machines

1:30:10

that d skill us. We're using machines that take

1:30:12

away our relationship to knowledge and our

1:30:14

relationship to the world because technology can

1:30:16

connect us to the world when it's it's

1:30:18

something that we understand and are are is part

1:30:20

of a daily, you know, part of bringing their life.

1:30:22

And so I think that this continues

1:30:25

to develop that core

1:30:27

thesis that we've been working through since, you know,

1:30:29

since the first imperial symbol that we ever were introduced to was

1:30:31

the death star, was a big

1:30:34

fake moon. And so seeing them continue to to play

1:30:37

on that is really fun. Awesome.

1:30:39

You'd call out the

1:30:41

excellent manipulation Gorn

1:30:43

is doing. Like, by berating the soldiers so

1:30:45

good. He deflts them. So they don't ask questions about where he fucks off to.

1:30:47

He does things -- Yeah.

1:30:49

-- you I'm gonna

1:30:52

be gone for an hour when I get back,

1:30:54

this place better be fixed up. What did he do in that hour? Not for you to wonder. You're just

1:30:56

actually praying he doesn't show up

1:30:58

because an hour fifteen, you're frantically

1:31:01

trying to be like, how else do

1:31:03

we desecrate this temple? And, like, how could we

1:31:05

scrub the evidence off? And meanwhile, he's out there

1:31:08

being like, And

1:31:10

so when you walk into this room,

1:31:12

kill everybody immediately. But he's literally But the way he

1:31:14

convinced me to go do to strip the guard.

1:31:19

It's amazing.

1:31:20

It makes it's their

1:31:22

their ID they asked to

1:31:24

leave. They're like, I think it

1:31:26

would be, like, we really wanna go see the eye.

1:31:28

Like, do you mind if it's just essential

1:31:30

employees down here? And he's like, I

1:31:33

guess I can allow that. Yeah. That

1:31:35

Yes. But you're double duty on

1:31:37

Monday. Yeah. So there's gonna be double

1:31:39

duty on Monday. Let me

1:31:41

tell you. Let me

1:31:44

tell you. Oh my god. It's so

1:31:46

good. It's so good. He's doing like he's doing he's doing great. Like, everything's