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a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zachney,

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com slash civilized. He is

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a fucking jedi. He

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is a fucking Jedi.

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We set it weeks

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weeks to go Andor

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confirmed today last night

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at what time did I watch

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it? Seven. Twenty

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four Pacific Coast

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time.

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I no longer believe that Luther and

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Rail is a Jedi.

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Oh, what the hell? Okay. Why?

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Because now you think it's too obvious. Nice to be

1:00

so obvious. I think

1:01

it's too many. It's too. It's all right there.

1:04

And what's gonna be a lightsaber? I mean, we know it's

1:06

not light. We know it's a walking stick. And the question

1:08

is, is it a walking stick that It's

1:10

a moded It is it is okay. This

1:12

is my call. This is my called shot. Yeah. Uh-huh.

1:14

He the hilt that we see in

1:16

this episode. We've seen it before.

1:18

Yes. Not at all. on the episode

1:21

and no one said

1:21

it in the episode three or If I

1:24

could go back. If I had time travel,

1:26

the first thing I would do is

1:28

go back to when we recorded the

1:30

our first episode episode three -- Yep. --

1:32

and I would react. I would react. I

1:35

promise you that. But but but

1:37

but

1:38

This is my call shot, and maybe it's the obvious

1:40

one, and maybe it's not as fun

1:43

and surprising as him

1:45

not being a dead eye. But if

1:48

I believe it is a

1:50

moded he moded his lightsaber hilt

1:52

to be a walking cane slash

1:55

niche slash stick thing. Well,

1:57

that's the it's the knife. It's the

1:59

knife.

2:00

It's the knife.

2:02

did you see the action figure? Oh, I

2:04

can't believe it. No.

2:05

I got much time. Look at it. I did it.

2:07

I I on purpose

2:08

did

2:08

not go look up. I did not go

2:11

and look it up. I

2:12

did not go and see it. That's all I'll say.

2:14

Did you see the action figure? People can go look at

2:16

the action figure and spoil themselves if they want

2:18

to, but it crossed my feed today.

2:21

I didn't get the joints. If you look at

2:23

the action figure or not, but the action

2:25

figure makes me imagine a sequence

2:27

which swerves us away

2:30

from lightsaber.

2:31

but he has a kyber crystal. He has a

2:33

kyber crystal he gave it to Cassian. Mhmm.

2:35

And I think that's the crystal.

2:36

He's got all sorts of others. He's got

2:39

So how did he get a gunpowder? How

2:41

did he get a red pocket mask if

2:43

he's not a dead eye?

2:45

How? He's got gunpowder shields getting him

2:47

a gunkin.

2:48

Georgia

2:49

was. Yeah.

2:53

What's his girl? She was. Wow.

2:56

I'm jar jar jar that I will do.

2:58

Like, why not at this point? Yeah. Sure.

3:00

Sure. Sure. Sure.

3:02

Okay. Anyways, that's We'll

3:04

talk about the fucking terribly sad

3:06

situation that we're about this episode.

3:09

Who grinds with the so the the

3:11

episode? Before the episode starts again,

3:13

the theme has a new variation.

3:15

And this time, there is the ever present

3:18

sound of a it's not literally a ticking

3:20

clock, but there is the rhythm of a of a

3:22

clock. Yes. Stick It's it's much more

3:24

percussive than, like, the

3:26

drums are brought forward way

3:28

more in in this intro. It's, like,

3:30

they sound like like

3:32

like know in my mind, I go, oh, is

3:34

the name of this episode gonna be about about

3:37

drums or about a rhythm or about

3:39

a clock? And I move my a mouse over the

3:41

screen to pop up the thing in the top left.

3:43

It'll tell me what the name of the episode is. go, oh.

3:45

Season one episode eleven. Daughter of Eric's.

3:47

And I write down Oh my god. This title,

3:50

oh no. Marvin is gonna die. And

3:52

then almost immediately, I write, oh

3:54

my god, did she die

3:56

between episodes?

4:01

People die. That

4:02

is what the show has taught us that

4:04

people die it happens life

4:07

keeps going. it's so

4:09

fucked up that they did it to us in this

4:11

way this time, which

4:13

is in short of the episode problem. Rob,

4:15

have you even said anyone's name yet? Are we just in

4:17

it? skip No. We just we did

4:19

the intro, but now we're now we're just in it.

4:21

Okay.

4:23

patreon dot com slash civilized.

4:28

to enable us. Please.

4:30

So, yeah, Mar Marva's death

4:33

does sort of provide the framework around

4:36

this episode. There's really two things

4:38

that define the action of this episode. Marvel's

4:40

death is the more

4:42

important element. Her death

4:44

sets in motion a lot of things

4:47

Ferrix. We have a

4:49

large town funeral that is coming up

4:51

that the ISP wants to use both as

4:53

bait and as dead romero puts

4:55

it in a a meeting

4:58

with the ISP agents

5:00

on scene, she wants it to be a

5:03

a box. She wants it to be a place where

5:05

she can see the whole town gatherings, see who shows

5:07

up for this funeral. Likewise,

5:10

you know, it is viewed

5:12

the same way by the rebels. Val

5:15

receives word that this has happened from

5:17

Centa. and has also decided

5:19

she is going to be there when this

5:22

funeral funeral occurs because it

5:24

represents probably the last best chance to figure

5:26

out what has become of Cassie

5:28

and Andor. And of course She gets to see

5:30

her girlfriend,

5:31

fun bonus.

5:32

Good excuse to yeah. fair, fair, fair.

5:35

And, of course, you know, the

5:38

less dramatic part is we see the

5:40

the tail end of Andor's escape from

5:42

North Kiena as he rescued by a pair

5:44

of friendly fishermen Andor

5:46

then returns to -- I love them. -- money in his guns

5:49

and I love his little freaks. I'm red. No,

5:51

Airy in this show, then this episode happens.

5:53

I know. I said aliens

5:56

and big big caps. obviously,

6:00

you know, by the end of the episode, he will receive word

6:02

of Marva's passing. Hey, Rob. Where does he

6:04

receive? What what's the what's the subtitle? on

6:07

the screen when he receives

6:09

the word. Do you remember? Is it is

6:11

it waves crashing? It's waves crashing.

6:13

I have a scheduled tweet that will

6:15

be live by the nineties episode

6:17

goes live. Also,

6:20

like, it it Looking out at the fucking

6:23

sunset. It's the sun. It's the stop.

6:26

I I

6:26

water water. Rob was

6:29

Rob is right. Rob

6:30

I've never Rob has

6:32

never been more right about anything. No

6:34

one has ever been more right about anything. Agreed.

6:37

Well, in this this whole beach, honestly,

6:39

by the way, it's the it's almost like broad

6:41

church ass setting -- Uh-huh. --

6:43

or or, ultimately, like, the Dunkirk

6:46

Beach scene in Atonement is something that

6:48

has created multiple times in this in

6:51

in this series as he stands at

6:53

that, like, joyless recreational

6:56

shore -- Yes. -- where he receives

6:58

this news. Meanwhile, continues

7:01

to be tortured in in

7:03

the ISB in, like, the headquarters

7:06

on on Ferrix. receiving

7:09

word of Marva's passing in the upcoming funeral,

7:12

serial Khan from his four

7:14

former colleague, sergeant Mosk,

7:17

who And my

7:19

reasons. Right? Is he now just one of the

7:21

scrappers? He's one of the guys? Yeah.

7:24

I don't know. You know, either way, Cyrille

7:26

gets news of this. and

7:28

it is it is his summons to

7:30

return to action in some fashion or other.

7:33

So he steals his mom's money Not

7:35

of her jewelry, but he is in her jewelry

7:37

box to go and finance

7:40

what I presume is a race to

7:42

Ferrix to be in be

7:44

the one who captures. Can you imagine

7:47

can you imagine what dead dress going

7:49

to like, how like,

7:51

when she sees him on Ferrix.

7:55

On Ferex, she

7:57

is going

7:58

to shoot him. I am fully -- Immediately.

8:00

-- I fully have no idea what's

8:02

going to happen at this point with with

8:04

what's here. I have no idea. finish

8:06

this podcast in the episode, it's not gonna be there for us

8:08

to watch. I know it isn't ever. I know it

8:10

isn't. I know we haven't ever finished one

8:12

of these and, like, oh, we can go watch the next one because we're doing

8:14

it live. We I it's

8:17

worse now. I need to see it.

8:19

I need to know.

8:20

I need to know right now immediately

8:24

immediately now.

8:26

Anyway The other the other deadline

8:28

that is fast approaching in this episode is

8:32

Krieger's doomed raid on the

8:34

power station at SpellHouse. Louthan

8:36

heads out to meet with Saguera because

8:39

Sagu -- Bakersfield has decided

8:41

at the last second He wants it

8:43

on this. It's it's a it's a Pizos. Let

8:46

me tell you. Soul's

8:48

up. Right. Gone up in the

8:50

Pizos. Soul is out song. Sawl

8:52

is ready to go.

8:54

Sawl is touching grass. Sawl

8:56

said my name is my name. Like

8:58

Sawl, Sawl said we're

9:00

getting them corners back Andor

9:04

Louthan is unenthused at

9:06

the idea, which immediately raises SAW's

9:08

suspicions, which immediately confirmed by

9:11

the fact that when he con when he confronts Louthan

9:14

with the with his assumption that Louthan

9:16

has someone inside ISB, in fact,

9:18

inside every organization, It

9:20

opens a rupture between the two

9:22

men of distrust but also underscores

9:26

the degree to which Louthan

9:28

is a a hard and pragmatic

9:30

man and is willing to make sacrifices. And

9:32

they have an entire exchange but It a crazy door.

9:35

Doesn't it? This is it. This is how you go

9:37

from being hardened rebel

9:39

leader to a guy who has

9:41

a little pet snuff a lumpy guess that that

9:43

tries to eat people's memories. Yeah.

9:46

You know? You can't trust your own people.

9:48

You can't trust anybody around you. The paranoia

9:51

gets introduced here.

9:54

Meanwhile, Val is wrapping up

9:56

loose ends on Coruscant. She

9:59

passes word to play a that

10:02

that Marva has passed that

10:05

Louthan if he's interested, should

10:07

also view this funeral as his last chance to

10:10

figure out what's what's become of Andor. She

10:13

has read the Riot Act by Leia but

10:15

Leia does pass this information along.

10:18

Vell also has a meeting with Monasma.

10:21

So much happens in this episode. This is how

10:23

many things happen. we've just stay focused.

10:25

We have, you know, we just have to

10:27

zero in.

10:29

We can do this. We can get through this

10:31

episode. I don't know. And

10:33

so -- Gary. -- she she talks

10:36

to my mama and my mama reveals the depths

10:38

to which she is in deep trouble over this

10:41

money laundering issue. and

10:43

how it is potentially about to impact

10:45

her family. Velv does not have

10:47

much in the way of comfort or solutions to offer,

10:50

but they do they do share moment. before

10:52

Val, heads out on this mission. Louthan

10:55

does get on the bench. Alex will get on that

10:57

scene. But there again, that scene, we don't learn anything

10:59

new in that scene except that later.

11:01

He was one of the -- Yes. -- retiring house.

11:04

Yeah. Yes. God

11:08

damn. Andor course, we also see Louthan

11:10

ambushed by an imperial patrol Andor

11:13

sort of has to break cover with the Andor.

11:16

he is he is caught coming away from

11:18

the meeting with with Saas as he decides

11:21

that, you know what he probably is?

11:23

going to go check out Marvel's funeral

11:26

see what's what. So all the major

11:28

players are going to be converging back

11:30

in unfair it seems in the next episode.

11:33

But first, he has to get out of this

11:35

jam with the Imperial Patrol, which

11:37

he does by revealing

11:40

his ship is effectively a transformer.

11:43

Right. What he reveals is he's not he it doesn't

11:45

matter if he's a Jedi or not because he used to be

11:47

a Jedi. he has jedi James fucking

11:50

bond. He has lightsabers

11:51

out of his

11:53

his ship has lightsabers. His ship has fucking

11:55

two lightsabers, bro.

11:57

Yeah. I you know,

11:59

the camera

11:59

very specifically doesn't

12:02

zoom out enough for us to see if they

12:04

if they end like lightsabers do. They're

12:06

always touching the the end of the screen. So

12:08

we never see if they if you just have a

12:10

yard wall. just going forever. think they're

12:12

laser glass. They could be those laser blasts.

12:15

Yeah. We don't know if they're laser blasts or if

12:17

he has Garthmall's lightsaber. Here's

12:19

the thing I will say, though. I

12:22

think that's a hard weapon system to use if you're

12:24

not a Jedi. Yeah. A hundred percent. Why is that

12:26

shit like a Jedi? Who why is that shit like a Jedi?

12:28

Like, there's no gunners, but

12:30

it's just They don't mean No. The fact that he gets,

12:32

like, four kills in a row, he's

12:36

he's eluded just with The absolute

12:38

sauce. Let me Really? We already knew

12:40

who the eSports star was on the show, and it was

12:43

Blevin. But it turns out, it's

12:45

it's a dark place. It's a looping. It's

12:47

a looping. Or it's his cool droid that's

12:49

built into the ship. Mhmm. Like shout outs to

12:51

that droid, which may have been operating most of the

12:53

wearings. Yeah. That's possible. But

12:56

that is just about everything that happens

12:58

in that episode, we'll we'll get to the the

13:00

the beats here. Speaking of droids.

13:03

I I think for me, like, one of the things that,

13:06

like, strikes me about this entire

13:08

episode, though, is that You

13:11

know, so much of Star Wars has been about, like, being

13:13

the galaxy feel sometimes really really small

13:15

to have fungible time Andor space are. The communication

13:17

can be instant instant. Travel

13:19

is not really an obstacle except for those rare

13:21

times that it is. But this is

13:23

this is an episode where, like, unusually

13:26

for Star Wars, so much about

13:28

the friction of communicating across

13:31

space. It's an it's an episode full of

13:33

misconnections or half understood phone calls

13:35

or people struggling to make themselves heard

13:38

over most literally, like, you know, these

13:40

bad technological connections

13:42

which notably the empire is not afflicted with.

13:44

You know, the people, the the loftiest perch

13:46

in the empire. They have crystal clear instant

13:49

communication. They don't have

13:51

have these struggles. And the episode ends

13:53

on this note of MELSI trying to figure out how do we get

13:55

the word out about what has happened on

13:58

our Kina five in in places like

14:00

it. But likewise, you know, you'd also say that

14:03

so much of the conversation between saw and

14:05

Luthin are also trying to make themselves understood.

14:08

What what MI do you? What, you know, how

14:10

do you see this? We is

14:12

sort of the natural extension of their conversation of

14:14

who are you? Saw gets

14:17

a clearer view of who Louthan is

14:19

at this point, but it raises more questions than answers.

14:22

And I think one of the really

14:24

signature moments of that conversation is where

14:26

Civilized, why did you

14:28

even come here? Why are you telling

14:30

me all this? And does

14:33

Louthan even have really an answer

14:36

that's satisfying? He doesn't seem to fully

14:38

know. So Or does

14:39

he just know exactly how to

14:42

play saw? Like,

14:43

is Louthan playing

14:47

six d chess in the sense

14:49

that he

14:50

is he has

14:53

to be completely in control

14:55

in every single inner encounter

14:58

interaction relationship

15:00

that he has across the galaxy.

15:03

Like, to me, I read Everything

15:05

seemed It

15:06

comes off calculated to me, even his

15:08

vulnerabilities. His like, Louthan

15:11

choosing to show his vulnerability to saw

15:13

at that time,

15:15

guarant

15:16

to him, I think, guaranteed them

15:18

developing even a more trustworthy

15:21

relationship because

15:22

Saab began was able to understand

15:25

something about Louthan that he wasn't before

15:27

I don't know. The thing that's that

15:29

was revealed to me in that scene is that, like,

15:33

like, Louthan is revealing that saw

15:35

us even

15:35

more of a liability. Like,

15:38

when he's like, he hasn't seen my

15:40

face, so he's not as vulnerable.

15:42

Like, does that mean that, like,

15:44

the people that people of the

15:47

people that Louthan have met, like, are

15:49

immediately

15:49

on the kill list. Oh, yeah. They're

15:51

in this situation. We like to say

15:53

that two saw's face is

15:55

not like a bringing

15:57

you in sort of moment. It's a sort of like,

15:59

yeah, this is the distance that I

16:01

hold you at.

16:03

Yeah. Because he is, you know, Cassie

16:05

in the penis's face Andor the fawn door,

16:08

and that's all he knows. Right? But

16:10

I guess he knows he's like a funder. Saw

16:12

knows so much more than even that. It makes

16:14

saw that much more of A0I don't think he's at the liability.

16:17

Well, we have to wait about go deep. Yeah.

16:19

Mhmm. So

16:21

I think, you know, first, I'd actually just love to

16:23

handle Cassie Mel. She's escaped

16:25

from North Kiena in the scene with the fisherman.

16:28

I I we have of the bit on the cliff's edge

16:30

where

16:31

Melxi is, like,

16:33

convinced he just can't hang on anymore. Water

16:36

below them again can't stop

16:38

seeing it. Cassian's mother

16:40

is dead on another planet. And and

16:42

when she dies, he is hanging by his

16:45

fingernails. above an abyss

16:47

of water. You know what mean?

16:48

I do have to say, I appreciate

16:51

that the very first scene of this episode was

16:53

Cassie and Melsey because if that had been like

16:55

a late episode reveal, I would have been,

16:57

like, crazy. Is everybody okay?

17:00

I really will. And I will I just

17:02

love that little that little beat of the exchange where, you

17:04

know, I mean, there's almost like

17:07

It's Deer Hunter esque in in

17:09

some ways. As as Melxi's like, I can't I

17:11

can't do this. I can't climb.

17:13

Do you do you understand, like, I'm just spent

17:15

Andor telling me that the reconnaissance flight

17:18

is about to leave. The materials are almost gone because I

17:20

know it's not true even saying that forever. And

17:22

then at the end, he he wants like, and he needs to tell

17:24

me again. Like, tell me they're leaving. Yeah. And

17:26

and Cassie and feeds it to him.

17:29

And then that's that's up their escape when they

17:31

come across the the fisherman

17:33

sort of in this quarried

17:36

out pond basically,

17:40

looking looking for fish MELSI,

17:43

desperate to escape is, like, I'm just gonna

17:46

boost their car right now. It just

17:48

takes off running He is not a thief

17:50

like Andor. He e c's e c's

17:52

the escape. He just runs

17:54

for it. They both they both take

17:56

up Bolton. I just love the of the aliens

17:58

who just stand there and watch, which is

18:00

your tell that this is about to go real real

18:02

bad because they're not even they're

18:04

not even concerned that those guys are

18:07

making for their for their little space ship.

18:09

They hit their little their little web launchers

18:11

and immediately cocoon these dudes. And

18:14

we get a really interesting

18:17

scene as Andor

18:20

thinks he he needs to frantically negotiate

18:23

a way out of this, like figure out a way to fast

18:25

talk and explain, like, make

18:27

some sort of offer to avoid

18:29

being basically turned in for the reward

18:31

money because

18:34

The more luquacious of the two fishermen

18:36

does spell out. He knows of the reward.

18:39

He knows of the escape. noisy

18:41

noise. Prison

18:44

hair. Scapers. 2Z2A

18:47

thousand deep. offer me one

18:49

for each of us three d. That

18:53

efficient on land, these times here.

18:57

build out water in there yet.

18:59

What? All of us squiggly know, but

19:02

much of that. Even yeah.

19:04

No harm. We kill nothing. Nothing.

19:06

Chris, we're gonna boil our water.

19:09

All our water. no

19:13

biggie dinner tonight. Like past time,

19:15

so biggie are water

19:18

spoiling here Wars your

19:20

You got it in prison. I see Empire.

19:23

We were dropped. We were dropped there. It's still present.

19:25

Always the Empire.

19:27

Yeah. What

19:32

what is she saying? What what is she saying? What what is she

19:34

saying? a night or

19:36

dead the upper nose. No.

19:39

No. No. No. Let's talk. Let's talk. Hang on.

19:41

Until any water. They would. Give them

19:43

water. Till this prerelease.

19:47

They're not a snug who they kill here.

19:50

Stop the empire.

19:53

Aye

19:53

not be killing you later

19:55

today.

19:59

Why is to be

19:59

jumping quickly though? Where

20:03

are you be looking to run now?

20:11

niggles. Oh, animals.

20:16

These

20:19

are people from NARCANIA five, we should say.

20:21

These folks the subtitles says they're speaking NARCANIAN.

20:24

Mhmm. This is their local fishing

20:26

reservoir or or pond, you know, lake

20:28

or whatever that has been ruined by the

20:30

construction of the Imperial. Prisons

20:33

here and

20:37

there is a minute where you're like, oh, they're done.

20:39

They're done. That's I just fucking eighteen

20:42

too. By the way, this is just a

20:44

thousand each the offer be I'm

20:47

curious about that. They sound like pirates.

20:49

Right? They're crazy me, he says.

20:52

Not that squiggly no. Yes.

20:54

Nobody's sick me now. It's

20:57

so good. They're big. They're

20:59

bulbous. They got these cool cyber eye

21:01

things going on. It's

21:04

it's just the one who just grunts

21:06

back in NARCANIAN who isn't speaking

21:08

human. Freaky. Freedy. Yeah.

21:10

Uh-huh. Mhmm. Oh, they're so good.

21:12

I love them.

21:14

And in fact, we love this It turns out,

21:16

Andor has been

21:18

afraid of this outcome. It's been winding up some

21:20

sort desperate sales pitch. We haven't needed to. what

21:22

the guy's been working his way around to

21:25

is that, yeah, I hate the empire. And if

21:27

the empire wants you, I'm not giving

21:29

you up. And so they

21:31

they You

21:32

know? Where you go, track record? trying to go.

21:34

This part busted me up. The part where,

21:36

like, so where are like, Why

21:40

is to be jumping quickly though? Where

21:42

you've been looking to run now? Hey. It's

21:45

so good. And -- Andor course.

21:47

-- what your thinks is Niyamos, and

21:50

they both start laughing. Yeah. Yeah.

21:52

We know Niyamos. They've been to Niyamos before

21:54

you love

21:55

Niyamos.

21:56

officially Niyamos, you know. hundred

21:58

percent that. Oh,

21:59

and their littlest do you think they prefer?

22:02

Oh my god. I bet they're they

22:04

like the greeny green everybody's

22:05

They're definitely greenies. So greenies

22:07

are just topped tier.

22:08

They just topped tier pizzas. Their

22:11

quad jumper space truck that almost

22:13

just like falls into the because they

22:15

try to take off. Oh, the little light. It

22:17

looks like it almost says wet start too where there's

22:19

fuel that lights up outside the engine.

22:22

No. gets coughed out then

22:24

burned by the igniting into. It's so good.

22:26

It's so good. It has, like,

22:28

propellers on the front. It's such a good Bear

22:31

with me. It's off the ground. I love it. I I love

22:33

everything. When when Melchi asks him,

22:35

he's asks Andor when they first see it, he's like, can

22:37

you can you fly this thing? And he's like, it's

22:39

very old. It is

22:41

so good. It's so good.

22:44

It was so much needed comic

22:47

relief after the intensity

22:50

of the past year

22:51

episode. Andor needed aliens. Like

22:53

-- Yeah. --

22:54

that little that little note of

22:57

Yeah.

22:57

These guys know the score. They they they like,

23:00

these are people who the Empire's made enemies

23:02

of them, probably barely even acknowledge just

23:04

their their around, but it's like this

23:06

this sense of the

23:08

empire's made mortal enemies them because

23:10

just the the waste byproduct of

23:12

this prison being here and having fact that the ecosystem

23:15

has, like, not ruined

23:17

their way of life, but made it much much harder.

23:19

And they they can sort of see the

23:22

the land being poisoned and and and

23:25

the maybe the end of

23:27

the planet as they they have known it.

23:29

And so again, without even being aware of

23:31

it, the empire has created enemies.

23:34

Yeah. And just know it's not it has not felt

23:36

the need to take take note of that, but

23:38

it is this is the the vector

23:40

through which Andor makes this escape. No

23:43

biggie dinner tonight like past times. Are

23:45

you free? You'll biggie dinner

23:47

tonight.

23:49

I love them. This

23:50

is the biggest cat of the Star

23:52

Wars universe. I just saw it.

23:55

Which is a compliment for people who don't Yay.

23:58

an extreme compliment. But this is big

24:00

to cat, Froggy. You're right. It's a little revealy.

24:03

Yeah. Uh-huh. It's all right here.

24:05

You're right.

24:06

shout outs. Yeah.

24:08

So you can also take it away. I've also

24:10

mentioned every time I see b

24:12

at burst into tears. we

24:14

do not wanna don't want we'll save the cap off

24:16

for for we'll save the

24:18

end. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. actually for the end. Okay.

24:21

But the next bit, I it was just, like, being stabbed

24:23

in the heart repeatedly. Like, opening on

24:26

such a tight close-up of these little orange

24:28

eye that we don't even know we're looking at Foley.

24:30

but we just hear we just

24:32

hear the voices of the women in the in

24:35

in the room where Marva has been dying.

24:38

Andor talking over. We need to burn the sheets,

24:40

you know, that that all of this

24:42

is done, and we see the droid begin

24:44

to tremble. And

24:47

you know, it the sea

24:49

the scene is brutal.

24:51

I was sobbing.

24:53

It starts to it starts to shake when

24:55

someone says, or B2BB2 email

24:57

starts to shake when someone says, what about

24:59

the droid? And it's like, In

25:01

my mind, this was the first time

25:03

that b two emo had thought about

25:06

himself. Do you know

25:08

what I mean? No. He'd been so focused on

25:10

Martha Andor Martha okay, where

25:12

is Cassian? And someone says, what about the

25:14

droid? And it's like it hits him

25:16

that his whole life that he's alone

25:18

his whole way of life has to change he doesn't wanna

25:20

confront it and just start shaking and I wanna hug

25:22

him. He says, I don't don't wanna

25:24

be alone. I want Martha Andor

25:27

I'm going to die. I

25:29

the way that that the

25:32

Have we What?

25:34

Have we ever seen a droid get

25:36

to have emotional besides

25:39

CTPO being afraid? So we have CTPO

25:41

afraid a lot in Star Wars. Yeah. And

25:43

we get our design for comic book. It

25:45

all it is. Have we ever gotten, like, the interior?

25:47

And I think that there is a way in which some

25:50

people might view this, my enemies might

25:53

view this as comic relief. Oh,

25:55

this little stupid droid, just a droid. You

25:58

know what? Like, those people exist. Those people are out

26:00

there. They're terrible people, and they should not associate

26:02

with me in any manner. Get out of my fucking

26:04

city. But they but

26:06

but I I don't know the the last time I've ever

26:09

I've seen a droid. I've seen, you know, RTD

26:11

Shuky goes, like, boom. Like,

26:13

he can be sad. But this is a different level

26:15

of droid intern you

26:17

know, internality. Right? Mhmm. There's

26:20

something happening here. And so much what is also

26:22

just about the way the people interact with the

26:24

droid. Like -- Mhmm. -- this is a

26:27

relationship with Drag Queen's scene, other

26:29

other places in Star Wars because, like, Thank God,

26:31

Brasso's there, by the way, who who figures out

26:33

that, like, what

26:35

b is going through, and he figures out the best

26:37

thing can do is to give between

26:40

Moe a a task, a way

26:42

to be helpful. Mhmm. And so he's

26:44

like, you got a very big responsibility to

26:47

help Jesse and the daughter's affairs because

26:49

there's so much to be done.

26:51

And Jesse too doesn't

26:53

view

26:53

it as joke that, like, she has to reassure this

26:55

this droid. She too, like, gives him

26:57

the pitch of, like, yeah, you know, we really we

26:59

all gotta pitch in to get through this.

27:01

We we need your help. And the

27:04

and you know, I think

27:07

later, this is gonna be reiterated when

27:09

might as well deal with it. Andor think

27:11

here as well where where NASA comes back during the

27:13

night to be like, you've gotta you gotta come

27:15

back to my place. And

27:18

b begs him, like, can I just stay here? You

27:20

know, why can't you say here.

27:21

Like, I'm still charging. I still have more

27:23

charge. It's a

27:23

little dog bed charger. He's a

27:25

little dog bed charger. Andor

27:28

he's not charging. Well, you can

27:30

charge that's, like, it's charging meter

27:32

on the door. Yeah. And it's, like, full.

27:34

Yeah. That's what, you know, he's depressed because

27:37

of Martha being dead. Like, extremely

27:41

And Brasso agrees

27:43

to stay the night, which is so

27:46

good and kind and you gotta

27:48

be there sometimes for for your

27:50

droids? You do. Also, as

27:52

they as they carry Marve out in that first scene,

27:55

the details. Literally, just as underscore this

27:57

a little bit. Right? Like,

27:59

we basically never

28:02

see anyone in this world treat

28:04

droid as anything other than laborers

28:06

that they could deploy. And then you get to be

28:08

happy about whether whether they did a good job, are

28:10

frustrated when they fuck it up. But literally,

28:13

I Istruck again. There are episodes where people

28:15

are RTD twos gone missing. We gotta get them

28:17

back. Andor often those are tied to,

28:20

like, because he knows all the plans,

28:22

the mannequin doesn't wipe his memory, or

28:24

because he has something important in his he's

28:27

done some whatever. But

28:28

-- Yeah. -- it's his value. They're And and these

28:30

two emote emote doesn't have

28:33

that type of value

28:34

anymore. Right. Is that an old

28:36

dog? Right?

28:37

And and which also, like,

28:40

we've talked a lot about Star Wars and Disability

28:42

here. Right? But, like -- Mhmm. -- b two emo has

28:44

problems charging. Needs big charges to

28:46

to have access to his full memory core, etcetera.

28:49

You can do a disability

28:51

reading here. And you

28:53

know, the world state of Star Wars is one in

28:55

which if a droid has if a droid

28:58

does not function unquote to maximum,

29:00

you know, normative spec, wipe its

29:02

memory, fix it up, get rid

29:04

of it, or replace it. Right? In some

29:06

way, or at least replace its parts. And

29:08

so the fact that here we see a character

29:10

who's not only like I care about

29:12

this droid and this droid's emotional state,

29:15

but also whose first recourse isn't

29:17

replacement or you

29:19

know, repair is a very complex

29:21

thing in which, like, yes, medical

29:24

conditions deserve to have act people who

29:26

have medical conditions should have access to to

29:28

medicine and care. But there's a different sort

29:30

of emotional care that we never see offered

29:32

or rarely see offered here, and

29:34

it is here. And so that's I just think it's really

29:36

worth calling out -- Yep. -- that they found the space

29:39

for that here. And and the fact that it's first, like, community

29:41

wide. Like, it's different. Like -- Correct. -- Ferrix is

29:43

a place where this this treatment

29:45

of droids does not seem they have a different

29:47

relationship with with droids here. Yeah. Maybe just in

29:50

this droid, but it feels like just more broadly,

29:52

like, the way MARV immediately in that first

29:54

trio episodes where they're, like, threatening

29:56

the droid she's like, these cops can't do that.

29:58

Like, don't worry, b to b,

29:59

they're not allowed to treat you that way. which

30:02

again, that's still all wrapped up in some shit.

30:04

Yes. But it's also the first time in Star Wars. We've

30:06

been like, hey, no. Hang on. He's got rights.

30:09

Like, it's the first time we've heard

30:11

that where some of these, like, be it. Be it. Shut

30:13

the fuck up Friday. You don't have to tell them shit.

30:15

Like,

30:16

that's the first time we've, like, seen droid's

30:19

treated that way. Andor, the

30:21

fact that Brasso

30:23

looks core like, this is not a this is not

30:25

a solution long term, but yes. He's

30:27

gonna stay the night with

30:30

with me. And then hopefully bring him. Right? Because

30:32

the initial thing is, like, come with me to my

30:34

place. because

30:36

I don't wanna leave you alone, Martha wouldn't like

30:38

me leaving you alone. And so I'm honoring

30:40

her as much as I'm honoring your personhood. Right?

30:42

But like but it is. you know, he doesn't

30:44

say, well, you're just enjoying. Bye. Yeah.

30:47

Yeah.

30:47

Right. Exactly. Like, he's willing

30:49

to stay, oh, he's

30:51

got work in the morning. He's gonna stay at

30:54

Marva's

30:54

home -- If possible.

30:57

--

30:57

Austin, I think that all might

31:00

be dad. for how? Like,

31:02

I think some real bad is coming on Yeah.

31:05

too. We're -- I know what you know what? -- Sunday situation.

31:07

We're like Yeah. we're right there.

31:09

Like, I like, I do not like, I think

31:11

this is the I I did not expect a triumphant,

31:15

like, escape from North Kiena, ask pay

31:17

off to all this next episode. But no.

31:20

I mean, I couldn't help but think, like, is there is there clearing

31:22

up the house Boston goes back there and you think about

31:27

You know, is this the space where, like, you know,

31:29

as kids, they played together, you know, Andor

31:32

shows up, there is a similar age to Brasso.

31:34

Like, it's you know, it's we we see

31:36

this. How how tied together this community

31:38

is. And you get that sense of gravity

31:41

and also tradition when they show up with a mining

31:43

cart. they don't have horses, but they just got their

31:46

the little cart that takes the workers, but they wrapped

31:48

it in their little garlands. Mhmm. Such

31:50

a good little detail. but also

31:52

crucially in this moment, we

31:55

see Santa clearing tables, the coffee

31:57

shopper she's working, but she stops and she folds

31:59

her hands and, like, watches the

32:01

cart path solemnly. The ISB

32:03

agent inside is just casually

32:06

slowing his espresso as it goes

32:08

by. And it's like, the key thing

32:10

here is they're both undercover.

32:13

Senta understands how to be undercover

32:15

in space like this. Understand what this moment

32:17

requires what looks what it takes to look normal

32:19

in the space.

32:20

You have to, like, treat some of the gravity.

32:22

This dude's like, what's going on? What's going on?

32:25

What's going on? Like, backward

32:27

backward Yankee tab. No funny shit. Like,

32:29

it's these two hundred percent. It's

32:32

just it's so up is it

32:34

embarrassing?

32:35

It's so embarrassing. I just I

32:37

hope to dear God that Cynthia stays

32:41

I mean, Santa has to know that Sent

32:42

to know. I think Santa knows. I think Santa

32:45

reads him immediately. I don't know. That's She ran

32:47

him in the last episode. She saw him. And so

32:49

he's being, like, So you know what's going

32:51

on? She's like, I just started working here myself, and

32:53

she's still sizing him up and and figuring out how

32:56

to to work it. So yeah. I think I think

32:58

Cynthia is well ahead of this game.

33:00

My fear my fear

33:02

is that he is going to take a special

33:05

interest in her,

33:06

not for,

33:07

like, a totally unrelated reason.

33:10

Like, because he's, like

33:12

I don't know. He just is just too crushing

33:14

on her. he's gonna, like, stick too

33:17

close to Santa for,

33:19

like, the wrong reason it's gonna

33:21

fuck something up next episode.

33:22

So the thing that I'm

33:24

confident though is, like, I do believe skiing when

33:26

he's, like, she's the hardest one

33:28

of any of us. Like, didn't give me

33:30

as a problem. I think he's just

33:33

gonna get his throat cut ear to ear and

33:35

be dubbed something. I think he has twelve corpses

33:37

in the back room. Like, he he he looks like

33:39

a a hit man level going wrong. wherever

33:41

she's staying right now. Like True.

33:44

Yeah. If if she doesn't,

33:46

it will feel ridiculous that this dude got

33:48

the draw. I mean, you're right. It could just be chaos. could

33:51

just be his presence through his wrenching.

33:53

Like, it's Right. Right. Yeah.

33:54

I I also

33:56

wanted to call out one detail

33:58

in this scene before

34:00

we move on, which is the

34:03

the glass that's sitting on top of v

34:05

two emo's like,

34:08

head -- Mhmm. when there's,

34:11

like, a close-up on it where it

34:13

feels like a tear fit filled

34:15

eye. Yeah. Andor

34:18

it's just such a, like, humanizing

34:22

the the lens of of

34:25

the droid's eye or whatever in

34:27

this way. Right. It's it I

34:29

thought it was I was, like, oh, do we think?

34:32

Yes. It's like, while he's shaking,

34:34

and it feels like an eye welling

34:36

up. And then, you know, we cut out and that

34:38

it's a cup sitting

34:39

on top of But it's the same transparent liquid

34:42

and the it looks like the white outside of

34:44

Yeah. A hundred percent. That's that's totally

34:46

what's being evoked here. You nailed it. Good

34:49

show. Who's, you know -- Great show. --

34:51

what I'm talking about. The other

34:54

thing is, you know, we see

34:56

deadrobing informed of the funeral and

34:58

the prefect is, you know, again,

35:01

just the emptiest shirt in

35:03

this in this entire show, you know, talk

35:05

about. They're asking for a permit. Well, of course, the Maya,

35:07

they're compiling their little list of grievances.

35:10

Like, in the background, irrespective of what

35:12

is happening, this dude is slowly pissing people

35:14

off. Andor, like,

35:17

would eventually be a problem, I think,

35:19

for for the empire on Ferrix

35:21

even if al hell or not be able to break loose.

35:24

But deadder of a roll some you know,

35:26

she's, like, I want the funeral to to

35:28

to happen. It's it's a big box where

35:30

you can put people. But She

35:32

asked some question about the timing, and

35:34

there's the ISB guy on Ferrix who

35:37

has, like, a some sort of northern

35:39

accent, it sounds like, Andor

35:41

maybe he's the dude that Musk refers to later

35:43

as someone from the from the old office, but he

35:46

informs explains understands the local

35:48

customer about the, you know, two days observants

35:51

than the burial. And he he

35:53

talks through the the burial custom that

35:55

they have, that that that are mixed in the mortar

35:57

and before brick. And

36:00

you know, dead red doesn't get it like

36:02

Andor then and then what do they do? And

36:04

he kinda looks confused and says

36:07

they they put you in a wall. They find you.

36:09

They find a wall. Yeah. And what's interesting

36:11

here is, like,

36:13

I know

36:14

she doesn't she

36:16

doesn't get the metaphor. You know what

36:18

I mean? She doesn't understand

36:21

from like, she doesn't it doesn't

36:23

read to her. She doesn't It's like zero. listening.

36:25

Yes. Yes. Yes. Like,

36:27

I just don't and again, maybe this reflects

36:29

a story we haven't heard about where she

36:32

came from.

36:33

You know, I think we do a lot of saying

36:35

there are ways in which she feels like,

36:37

what if Civilized got the break that he wanted?

36:40

Yeah. And you can imagine, Cyrille wouldn't get this

36:42

either. Cyrille doesn't seem like someone who

36:44

has that relationship to community or

36:46

that relationship to metaphor, frankly. Right?

36:49

Mhmm. It's alien to

36:51

her that people would would

36:53

do this and see it as being meaningful

36:56

and being about being representative

36:58

of what the community is. Right? And it and it's so

37:00

in line with so many other metaphors

37:02

and symbols of the community, the bells, everybody

37:05

ringing things, the Wars gloves. Like,

37:07

this is this is a place of, like, collective

37:09

labor you know, as a core

37:12

identity. Andor, like, we're building stuff

37:14

here. We're taking things apart. Well, what do we do?

37:16

We salvage. We we take what do

37:18

they We break it down. We make it usable

37:20

again. Why wouldn't that extend to

37:22

their to their death rituals? Right? Their funerary

37:24

rights?

37:25

Well and

37:27

I don't think don't think this, like,

37:29

random, like, local

37:31

cop who's been sort of brought into the ISP. I

37:33

don't know if he's, like, I'm not saying

37:35

he's he's their position. He's like, well, they're not

37:37

all bad or they all don't get it. But, like, he

37:40

does seem more local and

37:42

more understanding of the customs and

37:44

what they signify. And I do think there is a warning

37:46

hidden in some of this that is being overlooked.

37:49

And I don't think the warning is like, hey, don't fuck with this

37:51

funeral dangers. I think the warning is deeper of like,

37:55

there's an episode of the Sopranos actually

37:57

where Tony gets involved with with

37:59

some orthodox

37:59

Jewish gangsters. And, like,

38:02

you know, his right hand advisors,

38:05

like, do not get involved in this

38:07

business. You do not understand these people.

38:09

They like, you they do not like

38:11

make the same value judgments, the

38:13

way that you do, they are motivated by things that you

38:15

do not fully comprehend, stay away.

38:18

Andor course, he doesn't Andor hell breaks loose

38:20

because in indeed there there

38:22

are deeper waters here that he understands.

38:24

Like, there's some of that warning

38:27

here of this is how these

38:29

people conceptualize, like,

38:31

death and community. and

38:34

and how these thing and how these things are

38:36

processed. But I but

38:38

I also do wonder

38:40

you know, is he is he also once again

38:43

are we seeing the the the same thing

38:45

repeating of it's people

38:48

just like this who try to warrant serial? don't

38:50

go to Ferrix and, like, raid that town,

38:52

it's just going to go bad. Once

38:54

again, he's sort of trying to clue her in.

38:56

And later, he's the guy who's interrogating pics.

38:59

He's been told to ask about they've got a picture

39:02

of Andor AntoKreger, who is

39:04

a big boy.

39:05

Andor if just be, like, Yeah.

39:07

Well,

39:08

but he's he's he's telling

39:10

he's telling you know, I if I don't

39:12

believe you're telling me the truth, I have to go get

39:14

doctor Goran. I don't know if

39:16

this guy has again, I'm not

39:18

I I'm not saying he's being positioned as

39:21

secretly like the good guy or like a future

39:23

lieutenant It's

39:26

not doctor Gorse. Doctor Gorse. And it was

39:28

lieutenant Gorse. I don't know that he's being

39:30

positioned as future like lieutenant gorn

39:32

type. But there's this moment where he realizes

39:34

that, like, they've broken books. She doesn't

39:36

even know how to respond. She doesn't even know, like,

39:39

should she lie? What even like, what are

39:41

they looking for from her? What is the thing to

39:43

do? And he waits for her to respond, and

39:45

you sort of see this moment where his, like, face sort

39:47

of, falls. as you realize there's,

39:49

like, the pointlessness of this exercise,

39:51

there's gonna be she can't answer.

39:53

Mhmm. She doesn't

39:55

work. the way -- Yeah. -- you hope it does.

39:57

Right? I think you do the Harry of the empire.

39:59

Of Dedra, Dedra

40:02

gave the orders to have this like,

40:04

say this turned loose on her. And

40:06

now, once again, they need

40:08

information from her, and it's too it's too late.

40:10

They've they've they've inflicted too much damage.

40:13

You should know, this is not Tigo. The one who

40:15

the guy who is interviewing her post torture

40:17

is not the the not

40:19

the m. What's the the The prefect

40:21

the prefect of the of the place,

40:23

the viceroy of the place or whatever. He

40:25

is the he's just a lieutenant

40:28

or something, right, or sergeant. Just

40:30

wanna make sure people listening didn't get

40:32

that.

40:32

Yeah. Prefect is still the douchey

40:35

s t bone sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really

40:37

quick, I'll go back to the that that core thing of

40:40

this is something on the ground to understand that things

40:42

that things work differently here. Andor

40:45

Khan, Deadra is often is is far away

40:47

in. And I think the core thing

40:50

that both Khan and Deadra

40:54

more widely the empire. Don't understand,

40:57

is that things can move bottom up and

40:59

not just top down.

41:01

they have a sort of imperial logic

41:03

in mind. It's how Deadra's entire

41:05

scheme works, which is there is

41:07

one guy named Axis, and he's at the center

41:09

of it all. and he's making moves on a

41:12

chessboard. People

41:14

at in people out there in the

41:17

world have have there Wars

41:19

a leader the leader makes calls Andor then

41:21

things follow from that. And there

41:23

are leaders Andor there are people who are important

41:25

to be clear. But what feels like

41:27

they don't get is that things

41:29

can bubble up.

41:31

She wants to put them in a box

41:33

so that Andor will pop up or so that a leader

41:35

will pop up so that axis will pop up.

41:38

But what she can't imagine, which is

41:40

like one of the messages of the showroom back to

41:42

the beginning, is that there could potentially be

41:44

an organic resistance that bubbles up.

41:46

Go back to think about the virus.

41:48

Go ahead.

41:49

Oh, just that people are working independently

41:51

of each other, that people are are are

41:53

being inspired to to

41:56

resist or rebel independently of

41:59

some larger You don't need

42:02

a figurehead uniting the galaxy

42:05

in order

42:05

core to the the

42:07

philosophy of this show is again,

42:09

Ferrix says it's elemental. It's so easy to

42:11

hold. Brasso destroys the

42:14

the ship in episode three, no one told

42:17

Russo to do that. Right? And then

42:19

when they report it, they say, oh, that

42:21

our two suspects had other people in the

42:23

town. They didn't. This is just this did

42:25

happen because people are were aligned

42:27

and fundamentally agreed upon,

42:30

you know, what was the best thing

42:32

for Ferrix that moment. And

42:34

it's it's impossible for the empire and for

42:36

the imperial imagination to

42:38

to bring that into They can't think about

42:40

it. They can't imagine Right? And think this

42:43

is what's going to bite them in the ass here. Right? I mean,

42:45

you're right. I think it's gonna go really bad on tariffs.

42:47

But think that they will not be prepared for how

42:49

bad it might be for them.

42:51

Right? So

42:53

Mhmm.

42:56

I guess since it touches on on impossible,

42:58

we'll we'll skip back because I wanna on on

43:00

Ferrix, skip ahead briefly.

43:03

Just like by a scene, two

43:06

serial getting a call to his apartment well,

43:08

to his mom's apartment -- Yeah. -- in the middle of the

43:10

night. Andor

43:12

call. This is such a -- Yes. -- for showing

43:15

up at the door. Oh my god. Oh

43:17

my god. it's like

43:20

her yes. Her just like a a specter,

43:22

like, lurking in the background or night nightgown

43:24

as he stands next to this little

43:27

almost like a buzzer, you know, interface.

43:30

And it's just so funny

43:32

because Musk cannot hear a single thing,

43:34

Cyril, is saying, he continually misunderstands.

43:38

It is it is a it's such a fragmented exchange,

43:41

but also what's

43:44

so funny is it appears that they

43:47

basically ruin Musk's life

43:49

in some ways. He went from being

43:53

clean cut, you

43:55

know, sergeant of Primoris Security.

43:58

And and now he's it looks

44:00

like he's like we're hitting night shift in refinery.

44:03

Just -- Definitely. -- noise all the time.

44:05

And even now, you know, he sort of he

44:07

sort of tells zero. It's been a bit

44:09

rugged for me lately, which you I have strong suspicion,

44:12

wild understatement. I suspect it's

44:14

been more than a bit rugged. Like,

44:17

he looks tattered. It looks bad. That job

44:19

looks bad.

44:23

even now he's like, but marching

44:25

onward, it's it's kinda

44:27

like

44:30

he's still eating boot. He was the boot. Yes.

44:32

And you still Yeah. You're still licking

44:33

it. Well, he's still on Marlana 1II

44:36

have to imagine he's he's

44:39

from like, maybe from Marlana

44:41

or, like, has, like, has

44:43

been there for a long time because

44:46

he has, like, this pride when he

44:48

says, yeah, I'm still in Marlana one

44:50

working at a smelter, like,

44:53

Brah.

44:54

Like, there's, like, it

44:56

sounds like big saws and

44:59

and big noise and clangs

45:01

and going on behind him and he keeps looking

45:03

behind him to see Oh, like

45:05

like line

45:06

for the call for the phone. They have one

45:08

phone they can take a break and make a phone

45:10

call. And he's apparently been in line for

45:13

it for a minute Andor finally gets access.

45:15

God, this reminds me, like,

45:17

I've seen one write up

45:19

of Michael Clayton, which is that it's, like,

45:21

one of the last movies made before

45:23

smartphones take over everything. And it's a fire

45:26

or hot devices disappear because,

45:28

like, there is no concept of, like, waiting for the

45:31

phone or, like, missing a message

45:33

because everything is instantaneous.

45:36

But, like, production

45:38

team for Andor is like pay phones.

45:41

You know, it was a great narrative device, pay

45:43

phones, bad actions. That's

45:45

right. god. It's

45:47

so funny. I didn't ahead.

45:50

That's

45:50

what really gets me in the scene though because, like,

45:53

I is it like a situation where

45:55

Musk is a knowing enough person to, like,

45:57

FaceTime would it should have been a text?

45:59

Or is it that, like, Wars, like,

46:02

here's my Bob's phone number because

46:04

it's like a wealth thing because they only have, like,

46:06

one communication device in

46:08

the house or, like

46:09

Yeah. I mean, just logistics the

46:13

the communication. Yeah. I don't think he has

46:15

a phone. I don't think he has his own number. He has

46:17

his own phone line, but was denied. like

46:20

if they want to talk to you, they can talk to me.

46:23

Right. Uh-huh. We can run an extra

46:25

line in to your room if you want, but it'll

46:27

be on the same line. It'll be on same number.

46:29

and he knows she'll just listen in. So she he's

46:31

like, fuck it. I'll just go out and they'll leave in the room

46:33

and take the call there. You know?

46:36

I him him, Karen, starting to, like,

46:38

tinker with the knobs and stuff to try to

46:40

dial it in more. I'm, like, screaming at my

46:42

TV. I'm, like, it was in. Stop touching

46:44

it. If you can't get it better, you're not gonna make it worse.

46:47

Well, Andor like,

46:50

it's so set like, the

46:53

in weird way, Moscow

46:56

is his only friend in Moscow is

46:58

only He's the only person who's still thinking of

47:00

him at all. Yep. And only the

47:03

con concepts context of this

47:05

case maybe, but, like, he's the only

47:07

person who's checked in on him

47:09

Andor, like, hope you're doing alright. you know

47:12

Sorry for calling the family home so late.

47:15

Yeah. It is so funny. because it's like

47:17

it's almost like do you I get the impression

47:20

that there was a conversation before this

47:22

where Karen was like, yeah, you know,

47:24

I'm checking in with my mom. I'm

47:26

gonna stay here with her because

47:29

she likes to have someone around. III

47:31

feel like he put on air in the previous conversation.

47:34

You know what I mean? Yeah. I think gonna go

47:36

back to Coruscant for a little while just to see

47:38

the family you know, just check-in. but

47:41

if you hear anything about this Andor a guy,

47:43

I want you to call me right away. maybe you

47:45

first take Once we get this sorted out with Andor, like,

47:47

I'll bring you in. I'll bring you in. Yeah. I'll bring

47:49

you back in the game. I get the impression that

47:51

Musk is, like,

47:53

that corn. Living on

47:55

Coruscant, you know, that's where the action

47:57

really happens. The at the core of the galaxy.

47:59

You know

47:59

what I mean? Like, in my mind, he

48:02

literally thinks still

48:04

looks up to Khan. Yeah.

48:06

When he calls him, he's like, he he

48:08

says, like, Puck.

48:12

He he I think he calls him, sir. Yeah. He's,

48:14

like, it's not you, sir. Yes,

48:16

sir. I'm reporting it,

48:18

sir.

48:19

General Andor

48:22

then after that hall has changed the way his

48:24

mom just cuts him down.

48:26

Well, watching his mom

48:28

watch him be like, yes, hello, sergeant.

48:31

Sir, sure. I'm like, you are

48:33

watching your son role play.

48:35

Like, you're watching your son have

48:37

imaginary friends and

48:39

play like stormtroopers

48:42

as or clone as kids

48:44

like

48:45

You've seen this scene before. It's so

48:47

embarrassing,

48:48

dude. The mystery of your former

48:51

triumphs have been vanquished. I

48:53

can sleep peacefully now. I hate

48:55

eating so much, but I love her. I love her.

48:57

What I love her? Unbelievable.

49:01

Unbelievable. We just keep

49:03

what she is saying is, like, you

49:05

didn't go off and and live some

49:08

fancy life. I you were just

49:10

a little you were just a little playing for ten.

49:12

You were just seeing our smooth tear --

49:14

Yes. -- of just, like -- Yes. -- terrible

49:16

destructive mob.

49:18

It's just, like, yeah. All the stories,

49:20

like, all of the all of

49:22

the bragging and all of the the accolades

49:25

and tryouts and everything, I see

49:27

exactly exactly what

49:29

you were doing on Marlana one. But

49:33

what sucks is

49:34

it's he wasn't necessarily he wasn't

49:36

that wrong. He overstepped But, like,

49:39

he did have this position. He did

49:41

solve a case that should not have been solved.

49:44

He botched it, but, like, Karen

49:46

Truth or Rob Zach, you know,

49:48

I've got compelled. Yeah. No. But it's

49:50

it's it's just, like, a relentless like,

49:52

you're nothing that, like, The thing, aren't

49:55

you lucky was here to give you this dog shit job

49:57

in the Andor Bureau that

49:59

that conforms perfectly with my low opinion

50:02

of you. Like, it is it

50:04

like, it is so brutal.

50:08

And then So there's little part of me. It's like, yes,

50:10

Karen. steal her wallet. You

50:12

need to get out of here. See you a must.

50:15

Now it might be now all that's waiting for

50:17

you might be a bullet in a crossfire

50:20

on Ferrix. It might be

50:22

a taser that deadweight jams

50:25

in here for up to minute. You come up

50:27

in, like, three feet of her. but

50:29

it's better than this. You know

50:31

what, you could take the jewelry too. But

50:33

I understand that I just

50:36

I have

50:37

to say, eaties eaties

50:39

got some

50:41

got some drip in the drawers. Like,

50:43

she had

50:44

think Uncle Harlow provided those? Where do

50:46

you where do you all stand from? Sweet

50:47

Uncle Harlow. Goddamn. I wanna meet Uncle

50:50

Harlow so

50:50

bad. But also, that feels

50:52

so much like I mean, shit. This like,

50:54

this was my grandma in some

50:57

ways of, like, never Wars

51:00

Yep. Had jewelry. Had jewelry.

51:02

Yeah. Uh-huh. Andor with the right occasion

51:04

to to bring it out. No. You know? But you knew

51:06

where it was and she'd, like, her pour over it

51:08

sometimes, like, all the beautiful little treasures

51:11

that yes. There was never the occasion. Never

51:13

anyone impressed, but, like, it was very

51:15

pointed to have a jewelry box. Mhmm.

51:18

And and Eddy is Yeah.

51:21

Or baby

51:21

or maybe they're all gifts

51:23

from Uncle Harlow, but she can never wear

51:25

them because if she wore them, people question. Where

51:28

did you get? Where where could you possibly

51:30

get these jewels? And she would have

51:32

to what would she say? She couldn't say uncle

51:34

Harlow because they have a forbidden love

51:37

that nobody knows about. And Uncle

51:39

Harlow is really papa Harlow, and

51:41

his

51:41

car's father. Father.

51:43

Yeah. Uh-huh.

51:46

That's

51:46

my theory.

51:48

I do have an extreme bone to pick with a

51:51

show -- Yeah. --

51:52

of all the scenes that I have wanted and have

51:54

been denied in the show. I

51:56

think that we should have had eating with

51:58

the grocery sort of during

51:59

the next day, being like You

52:02

could not believe it. My

52:04

son's

52:04

gonna call it 2AS0

52:07

my god. Lovely. I looks just today.

52:10

You can't She's just finally got behind

52:12

her baby. Yeah. In line. We're trying

52:14

to check out. And she's just like, going

52:17

on and on and on. Her

52:19

wallet's empty. The cash has gone

52:21

through. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people.

52:23

She goes to pay and there's nothing in her wallet.

52:25

It's so just like there used to be, there's, like,

52:27

the tails from the Empire, tails from the Los Angeles

52:30

Cantina -- Mhmm. -- tails from Edie's hairdresser.

52:33

Like, it's higher anthropologists here.

52:35

Like, fuck it. Please hold on. What's that what's

52:37

that fucking it's based on a manga

52:39

midnight dinner? or whatever.

52:41

But like that, but it's Eddy's hairdresser, and

52:43

it's just like, you know, every

52:46

every afternoon, Eddy comes in

52:48

and tells me of her troubles.

52:50

I love it. I'd watch it. I'd watch

52:52

it in a heartbeat.

52:54

Grogoo and the dust bunnies who. I don't care.

52:56

I forgot about that.

52:59

I still need to watch that. Wild.

53:01

How none of us watch that? Maybe few

53:04

minutes. Oh, really, like Good

53:07

watching. Short. Fuck this short.

53:09

Good children. Short. I'm, you know Three

53:11

minutes longer. You

53:15

know, oh, we don't want that smoke. I,

53:17

you know. I love Groku. I'll defend

53:19

him. He can eat as many little eggs

53:21

as he wants, that little frog freak

53:23

is my son.

53:24

an endangered sentient species.

53:26

She's my all like, that's a future

53:29

drama episode. just have to be gone.

53:33

Oh, god damn. That was so

53:35

crazy of him to do that. shows.

53:38

He would get canceled today if he Roku

53:41

is canceled.

53:43

the

53:44

You don't wanna know what they're saying on

53:47

on on Star Wars Twitter

53:48

about Groku.

53:50

Screen rant twenty five times Groku

53:53

was secretly dark sided.

53:55

I I think

53:57

it's the I think it's the it's the

53:59

tweet

53:59

about the allocator and the white kid.

54:02

It's a locator. Loadcator.

54:05

Wow.

54:08

Oh my god.

54:10

I believe there's probably some Darth darker

54:13

grow goo theory is using just

54:15

the eggs

54:16

as as material.

54:19

So people who don't understand our reference of the

54:21

dungsten that we are too online, don't

54:24

worry about it. None of it's important.

54:26

If you don't and you're in a better place

54:28

than we

54:29

are. So Yes. But I do think that she's a

54:31

stand. There was a there was a locator tweet

54:33

where someone basically

54:35

spotting the story of a child being

54:37

eaten by a a wild

54:39

gator on the Disney park

54:41

park property or near one. somebody

54:43

responded to this news with I am so

54:45

over. I feel

54:48

bad that I can't, but I'm so over.

54:52

Wars, like, bad things. Like, it's

54:54

it's over to having sympathy. But for a situation

54:57

to come from a man not listening to instructions

54:59

or something, it was It's

55:02

terrific. It was the most unhinged. Great.

55:05

his daddy ignored signs. that

55:10

toddler had it coming.

55:12

Broke a dam anyway.

55:14

Anyway, those little eggs had it coming.

55:17

So Fuck them. Fuck them eggs.

55:19

Fuck them eggs.

55:21

Like the Jordan image. So we got

55:23

a lot happening in Corsa. For

55:26

for one thing, Leia is losing

55:28

her shit. That is Leia

55:31

has had it up to here with

55:33

trying to hold this together. She sees

55:35

Valle up here at her door just

55:39

lets her wait out there until it's clear

55:41

that Valle's actually gonna do this. they'll actually

55:43

gonna come in here and

55:46

use her position as my mother's cousin

55:48

to, like, some sure, have some bullshit justification

55:50

to be here, but she shouldn't be

55:53

here. And they'll, like, you know,

55:55

Claire reiterates this multiple times

55:57

as they'll demands, like,

56:00

word be past dilute she's She

56:02

knows he's not there. She knows the Andor is

56:04

gone. Everything she says just

56:06

raises Claire's alarm level more

56:08

as -- Mhmm. -- that put going

56:10

places she should not be going. She's acting in ways.

56:13

She should not be observed to be acting.

56:15

Right. Val Val is is fully

56:17

mask off. She's she's straight

56:19

up just not per not

56:22

not disguising her

56:25

her speech or or,

56:28

you know, intentions at all.

56:30

Leia's responding with, well,

56:32

we're out of stock on that one. But

56:34

if I can but

56:36

I didn't get you something else.

56:38

I'm

56:38

sure I was And when I like, are we alone or

56:41

just fucking shut the shut up.

56:42

Shut up right now, please.

56:44

Andor why to be like, oh, I'm leaving.

56:47

Lee. Lee. Come on. Lee.

56:49

Alright. Peace. You're a spy. Go do

56:51

spy shit.

56:52

Andor there's this there's a super

56:55

strange dynamic between Val

56:57

and Claire that is, like,

56:59

it's it's competitive. They're

57:01

Oh, yeah.

57:02

VEL is getting increasingly agitated

57:05

Andor is confronting

57:10

Kalia, and almost cornering her

57:12

in in demanding she sees Louthan.

57:15

And Kalia responds with

57:17

We have rules for a reason. You

57:19

don't seem to understand that. I

57:22

sent up a flag this morning. We would seen

57:24

it tomorrow. We, the

57:26

fondolas gone.

57:29

Check the back on the way in.

57:32

Everything

57:32

you're doing right now is wrong. Tomorrow

57:35

is too late. Where is he?

57:38

You're off the rails. You're lucky he's not here.

57:40

I gave

57:42

him aldani.

57:45

What

57:45

have you done lately?

57:58

I don't have lately.

58:00

I have always,

58:02

I have a constant blur of plates

58:04

spinning and knives on the floor Andor panicked

58:06

faces at the window of which you are, but one of them

58:15

What

58:15

information?

58:21

I'll

58:21

make sure he knows where it came from.

58:27

Cassian Andor,

58:28

the mother died.

58:32

I'm leaving in the morning. Synthesis

58:34

is very busy there.

58:42

We'll

58:42

let him know.

58:44

Do that.

58:49

She is there, height. she

58:51

is ready to go. And

58:53

I I do love that tension it must

58:55

suck to be claya

58:58

here and know that like this whole thing

59:00

would spin off the access without you,

59:02

no intended with access. But

59:05

the the the

59:07

you don't get the big win. You don't get

59:09

the Super Bowl trophy. You don't get the Aldani

59:11

score.

59:12

Louthan might not even get

59:14

that. I mean, everyone holds Louthan

59:16

in in a certain regard,

59:19

like, those in the know. Mhmm. But Leia

59:21

is even more hidden

59:23

than Louthan.

59:25

Right. In a in a world, it doesn't like,

59:27

it's funny, you know. Louthan deals that

59:29

whole speech he says no last episode,

59:31

which, by the way, did you see that great that

59:34

great quote from an interview with with I don't

59:36

know what Tony or what Wars director of

59:38

Toby Haynes or or what. But

59:42

Louthan apparently her Skarsgard did

59:44

a couple of great takes Andor then

59:46

came over and was like,

59:48

did did I share this? Mm-mm. I don't think

59:50

so. Uh-huh. Okay.

59:52

Let me This is from the

59:54

ringer, which again shouts to the ringer verse

59:57

for shouting us out. a few episodes ago.

1:00:00

This is from an interview

1:00:02

with with Toby Haynes by Ben Lindbergh.

1:00:05

QAQ and a Andor director

1:00:07

Toby Haynes on Star Wars speech's prisons and

1:00:10

Callbacks. Toby says,

1:00:12

with the Stalin speech. That was really interesting.

1:00:14

Again, Stalin had been building up to the speech throughout

1:00:17

the whole season. I think he'd been in conversation

1:00:19

with Tony during the writing of it and had a really

1:00:22

a really clear take. Stella is one of the

1:00:24

the cinema's great powerhouse actors. He's

1:00:26

an intellectual goliath, and I

1:00:28

would have felt intimidated working with and if wasn't

1:00:30

for the fact that he's so joyous to work with.

1:00:32

So there's a real imp in him. He loves to

1:00:34

have fun. He loves to enjoy himself. But

1:00:37

then but then gets serious so quickly.

1:00:39

So when the cameras are rolling the place that he goes

1:00:41

to, his act absolutely incredible. He

1:00:43

took about three or four takes, and I think

1:00:45

maybe he'd take five. We found something that was

1:00:48

really working. And he delivered it and he got

1:00:50

to the end of it. He was really pleased with it. He had

1:00:52

all the power. He had all the power. He had all the rage there.

1:00:54

It was the emotion. But there was something that was bothering

1:00:56

me about it. There was something that wasn't quite

1:00:59

landing. And usually as a director,

1:01:01

you don't have a long time to think what

1:01:03

might be bothering you at the back of your mind.

1:01:05

You've as long as it takes to walk to the actor

1:01:07

from the monitor, so that's like five paces.

1:01:10

You've got about five paces to think about what you're

1:01:12

going to say before you're standing in front of Stellan

1:01:14

Skarsgard to say something intelligent to him.

1:01:16

I remember walking from the monitor thinking, what

1:01:18

am I going to say? What am I going to say?

1:01:20

And then I realized what it was Andor stood in

1:01:23

front of him. And I realized we got it,

1:01:25

but it felt like a speech. It

1:01:27

felt like a big speech. And I said

1:01:29

to him, I said, it's absolutely great,

1:01:31

but it feels like a speech. And he went, oh

1:01:33

my god. Thank you. Thank you so much.

1:01:35

Thank you. And then he did three more takes

1:01:38

and it had all the spot in the eighty, had so

1:01:40

much more emotion. We really didn't know whether

1:01:42

he'd lost his way in the speech It just felt

1:01:44

like he was actually saying it for the first time,

1:01:46

and we were just lucky enough to film it.

1:01:48

In that speech, you know,

1:01:50

he'd list all his great his great sacrifices.

1:01:53

And one of them is like there is no parade for

1:01:55

me. There's no one who can appreciate my

1:01:57

hard work, which one is

1:01:59

true

1:01:59

but not true because you have surrounded yourself with

1:02:02

comrades who are supposed to be doing that Andor

1:02:04

who do do that, right, to some degree. Like, I

1:02:06

don't think that Leia is

1:02:08

not is not, you know, respecting

1:02:10

the work he's given. But she is in the

1:02:12

same position except she doesn't even get to go

1:02:14

meet Sargeras. She doesn't even get to, you know what means.

1:02:17

So And Louthan calls out, like, there is ego that

1:02:19

craves that. There is, like, there's not there's not totally

1:02:21

divorce. There's a there's a mean -- You're right. --

1:02:23

there's a mean motivation for it. And

1:02:26

Clayya has that amp

1:02:28

you know, amp up even higher because, you know, as

1:02:30

we've talked about, it has been unclear to us

1:02:32

even who's actually running this operation in

1:02:34

some Wars. her job appears

1:02:36

to be making hard calls that Louthan shrinks from

1:02:39

to urge him to do the smart

1:02:41

thing not the not the thing maybe

1:02:43

he is he is pulled towards. Mhmm.

1:02:46

And so a lot of her job is also to be the person

1:02:48

who says no. Like huge part of her

1:02:50

job, Louthan gets to go Andor, cut deals

1:02:53

Andor, like, you know, green light the big

1:02:55

the big mission Andor has to be the person

1:02:57

in the background being like don't answer that phone.

1:02:59

Don't respond to this person. Don't do

1:03:01

this. Andor here's Val

1:03:03

putting herself in a position to have to,

1:03:05

like, confront face to face. Like, this is

1:03:07

why. This is exactly the sort of thing I tried to

1:03:09

avoid professionally. and

1:03:12

Val is is forcing this issue.

1:03:14

And and really in a lot of ways, acting

1:03:16

like the rich kid that she is you

1:03:20

know, who do you think you are? I gave him

1:03:22

an Adani. Like, there's there's

1:03:24

a degree of, you know, they're not gonna

1:03:26

see eye to eye because Val's out in the field doing

1:03:28

all the shit Andor, like, lives a more stressful terrifying

1:03:30

life. But there's also a degree of, like,

1:03:33

you're the help. that

1:03:35

I think Playa just like goes ballistic

1:03:38

at Andor tries to get this

1:03:41

get across, like, understand where

1:03:43

you are in this hierarchy. You're one

1:03:45

person among many that we deal with.

1:03:48

Yeah. great scene. Great sequence.

1:03:51

Unbelievable. I

1:03:54

think, you know, it's maybe not the best

1:03:56

the best actually, real quick,

1:03:59

because I I'm curious

1:03:59

about this.

1:04:01

What

1:04:02

do you think?

1:04:03

Val wants out of this? At this point,

1:04:05

like like, I'm genuinely curious, what

1:04:08

exactly is she so heated about

1:04:10

regarding this funeral? Like,

1:04:13

I know that they're all learned about, like,

1:04:15

the whereabouts of and this may be our last chance

1:04:17

to, like, know where he is at. But

1:04:19

Cynthia's there. You know what I mean? Like,

1:04:22

Like, she's going to it

1:04:24

reads you're right. what does she want from needing

1:04:26

to talk to? Why does

1:04:28

this message need to go into Louthan?

1:04:31

I think partly because Andor

1:04:33

is there, and

1:04:34

she wants Louthan to know that she's gathered

1:04:37

some information for him. But I

1:04:39

do wonder if she's going partly because Santa

1:04:41

is there and knows the chaos could follow Andor, like,

1:04:43

wants to make sure Santa is okay. But

1:04:46

I don't know. III It feels

1:04:48

so just an interesting character. Yeah.

1:04:51

Uh-huh. Feels so Go

1:04:53

ahead. You explained.

1:04:53

It just it just feels so responsible for

1:04:56

her to go. It seems like they have

1:04:58

to know how closely this

1:05:00

is going to be watched by the ISB.

1:05:03

They have to know that this is a

1:05:05

huge risk for VEL to

1:05:07

show for any anyone to

1:05:09

show anyone that shows up on Ferrix around

1:05:11

the time of this funeral is going to be under

1:05:14

immense scrutiny. Especially

1:05:17

because this is a heavily local

1:05:19

to Ferrix. It's not like

1:05:22

you can use an excuse of, oh, people

1:05:24

from off planet. Like, some this is

1:05:26

a celebrity. Martha is like a local you

1:05:28

know, that person is important to local community, Vail

1:05:30

doesn't have any relationship to that.

1:05:32

I almost felt like I was like, why

1:05:35

isn't Leia buying time

1:05:37

here? Like, why isn't Leia's stopping

1:05:40

vel from going

1:05:43

on what has to be a doomed

1:05:45

mission to fair like, I it just seems so

1:05:47

ill advised. for VEL to go.

1:05:50

Other than the fact that, like, yeah,

1:05:52

Cinta will will probably need backup

1:05:55

you

1:05:56

know Yeah. I mean, it is her mission

1:05:58

to go get and kill Cassian. Right?

1:06:00

So, like, in

1:06:01

that regard, she is following orders.

1:06:03

but I think she is

1:06:06

I guess that's the fear. The fear is casting

1:06:08

gets picked up here

1:06:10

and turns everybody out.

1:06:12

You know, I'll tell I'll say this,

1:06:14

Andrew doesn't know Clay's face. Andrew

1:06:16

knows Mel's face. Andrew knows Mel's name.

1:06:19

Andor name seems to be vel by

1:06:21

the way.

1:06:22

Yeah. Like, you know what I mean?

1:06:25

Which I would not have used personally speaking.

1:06:28

I would have had a student him,

1:06:30

a nam beguir, the way that

1:06:32

he did. He had Clem, you know? So It's

1:06:35

a great point. They know. that it's So

1:06:37

think to some degree, I think there's it's valid

1:06:39

for her to just be like, we gotta get this guy

1:06:41

because if he gets picked up by the imperials,

1:06:43

we are done.

1:06:45

you know.

1:06:46

But it's also like a tantrum of not

1:06:48

being in her circle.

1:06:49

Right? Like, she completely overestimated

1:06:51

me her value.

1:06:53

She wants to be, like, closer

1:06:55

to Louthan. Like, the even just thinking

1:06:57

about how, like, Louthan speaks to her

1:06:59

the last conversation that we saw with them, like,

1:07:01

she is not

1:07:02

Andor then didn't speak to me on that

1:07:04

list. Yeah. Right. He sent Claya to

1:07:06

go tell her to go kill Pandora. Right?

1:07:09

he didn't do that himself. And that's

1:07:12

interesting. You know? Yes. I think

1:07:14

she thinks that she could, like if

1:07:16

if if I get face to face with Louthan,

1:07:19

he'll see why I'm valuable, and instead

1:07:21

she has Claire as a sort of walled

1:07:23

between them. And it's interesting because

1:07:25

she y'all

1:07:26

are right that she comes across here as being

1:07:29

feeling entitled or feeling like she's

1:07:31

rich girl tantrum type stuff. But also,

1:07:33

we've seen her overcome that in the moment

1:07:36

we know she did lead that group on al Donnie

1:07:38

to steal eighty million credits or whatever,

1:07:40

hundred or whatever it And we saw

1:07:42

her push past some of her fear

1:07:44

to do the damn thing during that mission.

1:07:47

I think there's something really interesting about the character

1:07:49

who has the, like, has stage

1:07:51

fright but then nails it. Andor well, what's

1:07:53

that due to your standing inside

1:07:55

of the troop, so to speak? Right? Where it's

1:07:58

like, yeah, when you're on stage, you're

1:07:59

you're killing it. But everyone is kind

1:08:02

of fed up with your antics before and after

1:08:04

the show. And that's a stressful thing to

1:08:07

that's an interesting way to play

1:08:09

that character versus the, like, the person

1:08:11

who just can't do it come game time. You know,

1:08:13

the person who's, like, all talking and then fell apart.

1:08:15

She's the inverse of that, and that's such a funny

1:08:17

interesting

1:08:19

thing. Yeah. I just

1:08:21

to me, it is just so

1:08:24

like, I I'm just I'm still I I'm curious

1:08:26

what the ask is. It's gonna be more support for

1:08:28

the mission because she has the green light go kill

1:08:30

this guy one way or another unless on

1:08:32

some level she wants the mission parameters changed.

1:08:34

Like, I'm not sure she ever was comfortable

1:08:37

with this mission. And I've always had the

1:08:39

feeling that the person who most

1:08:41

wants Andor dad

1:08:43

is Playa. Because

1:08:45

it's the cleanest, simplest way to tie this

1:08:47

off. You dispatch us Athens to go handle

1:08:49

it and then get And again, it's easy It's

1:08:51

easy to do that from the backroom of

1:08:53

a Relic shop on Coruscant where you don't

1:08:56

meet any of these people. She also recruited

1:08:58

NAMIC. Ma'am. Oh, Nemak

1:09:00

Andor somebody else. Right? She is she is

1:09:02

out there sometimes. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:05

She's just she's just this. She just didn't have

1:09:07

it. So didn't send to she'd probably

1:09:09

be running the whole thing. I'm saying honest. It's

1:09:11

true. It's true. The

1:09:14

the scene she does I

1:09:16

think come across a bit better when she goes and visits

1:09:18

Monasma. And we get, like,

1:09:21

crucially, the way this this edited

1:09:23

happens, it's actually as as the tail

1:09:25

end of Bick's being interrogated one more time,

1:09:28

and we hear a catechism begin

1:09:30

to be recited over the last frame

1:09:32

of her looking completely,

1:09:34

like, just run down and overwhelmed in

1:09:37

this interrogation room. Did anybody write down

1:09:39

this catechism? Mhmm.

1:09:40

I wrote -- Yeah. -- wrote down part of it.

1:09:42

Yeah. Do you have the fall?

1:09:45

Yielding yielding in acceptance safe

1:09:47

in the braid of the old ways, true

1:09:49

and steady and braided and trust. the

1:09:52

old shout us. Hold us.

1:09:54

Hold us. Yeah. And she said,

1:09:56

should us. Find us. I was like, that's

1:09:58

not it.

1:09:59

saved a knot in the binding the

1:10:02

old ways teach us, bound against

1:10:04

the wind tied to the shore tethered

1:10:06

impermanence.

1:10:08

as Val comes like, as she

1:10:10

enters the apartment and sees this,

1:10:12

she looks more horrified

1:10:15

we've ever seen her look actually all seen.

1:10:17

She goes to my momma and says, I thought this was

1:10:19

over. And my mama

1:10:22

Like, I've heard parents talk about this. One, like, people

1:10:24

have kids who are tuned to things that are happening

1:10:26

in younger generations that, like, the rest of us

1:10:28

are oblivious to. She says, oh, you're

1:10:30

behind the times. it's coming back.

1:10:32

It's coming back. Yeah. Andor

1:10:34

she's like Is it is it, like, what's you know,

1:10:37

is this coming from Karen? And she's like, nope.

1:10:39

Not parent. Parents actually would like, he's open

1:10:41

minded about this. He's they this is a place

1:10:43

where they're on the same page. We don't drag

1:10:45

Kath TikTok. She's out like She's

1:10:48

like, what if that ain't true never happened? We

1:10:50

shouldn't even I shouldn't even be using basic.

1:10:52

I should be using basic TransUnion, original

1:10:55

Trans TransUnion to say this. Like,

1:10:58

I need to fulfill my wifely duties.

1:11:00

Literally, this is what's happening.

1:11:02

She is thirteen. Dasha is

1:11:04

out here. It's wild.

1:11:07

this

1:11:07

is this is how she's rebelling.

1:11:09

And it's, like, it's easy to imagine

1:11:12

the easy, but for her to

1:11:14

to do the thing of, like, Oh, my parents took

1:11:16

me away from my home. You

1:11:18

know, I wish I wasn't living with them. If I was

1:11:21

back home, I this is what I would be attached

1:11:23

to. Right. Andor

1:11:25

like building that castle in her mind. Or she'd

1:11:27

be like well, she's like I mean, literally,

1:11:30

I'm on a castle on the the open plains

1:11:32

of Sandrilla, looking out on

1:11:34

the the Masma estate,

1:11:37

you know, with my prince.

1:11:40

It's I mean, nightmare.

1:11:42

She found the elder She

1:11:45

found the elder. Like,

1:11:46

certainly What do you what do you what's does it

1:11:48

like? So At least the person

1:11:50

who's leading this pretty Yeah. I think she

1:11:51

I think she went on Star Wars

1:11:54

Yelp

1:11:55

Andor and and have

1:11:56

found, like, an old Trondylan

1:11:59

woman to teach her the ways of being

1:12:01

a Tranwife, like, It's

1:12:03

It's

1:12:05

the show is okay. Yeah. We're really quick

1:12:07

pause because, again, this

1:12:10

might be a story that people have not tuned into

1:12:12

if if they're listening to our Star Wars podcast. Obviously,

1:12:16

there has been a reactionary turn in

1:12:18

American politics in the last deck I mean, in

1:12:20

world politics in the last the

1:12:23

last decade, which is underselling the fact that

1:12:25

it's an extension of a broader conservative

1:12:27

turn since the the eighties. Right?

1:12:30

Which itself is an extension, you know, we didn't

1:12:33

keep on going. But In

1:12:35

the last decade, there has been

1:12:37

a return of a sort of we

1:12:41

keep saying trad faith or trad traditionalism

1:12:44

a reactionary movement

1:12:47

towards returning to the old And

1:12:49

there this this

1:12:51

kind of comes out in a bunch of different

1:12:54

variations. Sometimes you see this as,

1:12:56

like, in

1:12:58

dietary stuff, this sort of, like, this is the

1:13:00

caveman diet. Right? Mhmm. That is a

1:13:03

return to old ways reactionary. Liver

1:13:05

king. The the Liver king. Exactly hundred

1:13:07

percent. Like, if again, you go Google Liver king. I

1:13:09

think Danny Gonzalez has really fun video about liver

1:13:11

communities with Danny. But

1:13:14

it also happens inside of religious circles.

1:13:17

And so or religious groups. And so for instance,

1:13:19

there is a traditional Catholic, a tad

1:13:21

calf movement that is growing

1:13:24

in popularity or I don't know that it's growing

1:13:26

in popularity. It's growing in volume. Sorry.

1:13:28

Certainly. that has

1:13:30

attracted a lot of people to

1:13:33

quote unquote traditional Latin mass

1:13:36

replacing the local language masses

1:13:38

that became standard years and years ago, decades

1:13:40

ago now -- Mhmm. -- and and

1:13:42

away from the

1:13:44

friendlier more open Catholic church,

1:13:46

which fucking asterisk on

1:13:49

that, by the way. Mhmm. In

1:13:51

you know, in order to reclaim some

1:13:54

vision of past

1:13:56

grace and beauty. And along

1:13:58

with this is the sort of tragic

1:13:59

wife thing that Natalie and Ali

1:14:02

have been talking about that is like the

1:14:04

fifties housewife. The there is

1:14:06

there is it's valid to be in

1:14:09

a sun dress making making

1:14:11

lunch for your husband and putting it in a brown

1:14:13

bag. That is a way to live. And

1:14:15

it's not just valid. It's valorous.

1:14:17

you know, it's not just like, yeah, that's that's, you know,

1:14:21

people who keep homes are actually doing

1:14:23

great deal of work, it it, in fact, is

1:14:25

often being put in conversation with

1:14:27

that sort of contemporary feminism

1:14:29

Andor then is, like, spinning off into,

1:14:32

again, nightmare reactionary zone where it's, like,

1:14:34

and that is the best way to be Andor we've lost

1:14:36

something by putting women in the workplace,

1:14:39

you know. Mhmm. That's

1:14:41

a very quick summary of what we're talking about

1:14:43

here. that is Again

1:14:45

Another big component of that is is

1:14:47

is, like, young people

1:14:50

young like, gen especially Gen

1:14:52

z like, romanticizing the

1:14:55

aesthetic of

1:14:57

the in, like, lifestyle of

1:14:59

this, like, traditionalism in

1:15:02

this way, like, a lot of religious iconography

1:15:04

is jewelry da da da, but also

1:15:07

just, like,

1:15:08

romantic sizing and aestheticizing, like,

1:15:10

the stay at home, like,

1:15:13

girlfriend vibe. Like, that is a whole

1:15:15

thing on TikTok. This is such a deep

1:15:17

deep hole that we we could go down.

1:15:19

But what's amazing is that this show is in conversation

1:15:21

with this moment in a way that

1:15:23

Star Wars often we've

1:15:26

talked about it being mythopoeetic. think

1:15:28

Rob you made a big point a few episodes ago about

1:15:30

what Star Wars has traditionally been. It's not political.

1:15:33

or it's political, but it's not trying to be engaged

1:15:35

with a contemporary political question so much as it's

1:15:37

playing in the genre space of mythopoietics that,

1:15:40

of course, have political knock on and

1:15:42

political, you know, relevance. But

1:15:44

but here, like

1:15:45

This is happening. Well,

1:15:48

right? This is this is this is happening.

1:15:50

It is weird. And it is often happening

1:15:52

inside of asthma and asthma says, it's

1:15:55

it's more popular here than there. Then back on

1:15:57

chandrilla. This is there is

1:15:59

a a subgroup of, you

1:16:01

know But culture pacemakers who are

1:16:03

interested in this. What's what's quote there's two

1:16:05

things. One is it's the show is savvy

1:16:07

to get away from, like, I think, frequently, we

1:16:09

see in in Andor lot of things.

1:16:12

The the myth of progress is fostered by this

1:16:14

notion of, but the old ways are being put

1:16:16

aside. The young people are going to lead us

1:16:18

to a better way. And here we see an example of

1:16:20

it can be a wheel, and it can -- Yep. -- turn.

1:16:23

And so then Mabhav and Paron,

1:16:25

it sounds like for all their Andor maybe

1:16:27

because of the disastrous match they've

1:16:29

made had both kind of come to

1:16:32

kind of agreement of, like, this is probably where

1:16:34

we tie this off though. This is we we

1:16:36

don't necessarily want to, like, have

1:16:38

the same stuff passed on, and

1:16:40

we're going to raise Lita differently,

1:16:42

and this is kind of what is feeding some of mother's

1:16:45

my mother's reaction to Scalden. But

1:16:48

here Lita honor

1:16:51

an initiative has fully embraced

1:16:53

this this vision. The other thing though I

1:16:55

would say is it isn't to

1:16:57

a degree not necessarily

1:16:59

a work reflection, but it's it's it's

1:17:02

like we're looking through the same we're

1:17:05

looking

1:17:05

into a different part of Yeah.

1:17:10

Maybe let's say we're looking through the mirror into the

1:17:12

other side of, like, what Ferrix As Pemex

1:17:14

talks about, like, traditional knowledge and traditional

1:17:17

ways. The way this, like, sense of

1:17:19

divorce from

1:17:21

a way of life and a past

1:17:23

and past understandings Yes. can

1:17:25

be reclaimed and used as a tool

1:17:27

for liberation as a way

1:17:29

to draw a a separation. between

1:17:33

yourselves and empire that

1:17:35

are sort of imposing a new way of life and a new ideology.

1:17:38

And here, we see that

1:17:41

Lita feels a similar sense

1:17:44

of like dislocation. But, you know, kind

1:17:46

of tragically, think it's coming from inside the house.

1:17:48

Your your problem is not the empire. their

1:17:51

problem is that,

1:17:53

like,

1:17:53

she's in kind of broken home. And

1:17:57

she has turned

1:17:59

to

1:17:59

navigate

1:18:01

to we've seen she has struggled to

1:18:03

navigate the complexities of

1:18:06

the weird dynamics of her parents marriage

1:18:08

and her house. And what

1:18:10

she has turned to to navigate, like, to

1:18:12

be her guiding light, is traditional

1:18:14

chandrilling values, which she does

1:18:16

not fully understand because she is

1:18:19

a is a land she's never she has not

1:18:21

meaningfully visited. So

1:18:23

I think that this I think that you're I

1:18:25

think

1:18:25

that you're totally I think that's a totally

1:18:27

viable read. I do also think

1:18:29

that you can't talk about that the broken

1:18:32

home

1:18:33

without putting it in conversation with

1:18:35

what the state of the world is. Yeah.

1:18:38

The

1:18:39

the empire has in

1:18:41

effect

1:18:43

overridden local identity

1:18:46

with national identity. There's

1:18:48

like this a culturalism Right.

1:18:51

Like a hundred percent. And

1:18:53

what we're I think you're totally right that what

1:18:55

we're seeing is a

1:18:56

totally understandable desire

1:18:58

to reconnect with some part of the identity that your

1:19:01

parents have pushed you away from

1:19:03

because what's it mean to be Andor and in their

1:19:05

house? It means you drink

1:19:06

What are they called? Scalytical.

1:19:09

No. Scalytics are his. Yeah.

1:19:12

Fuck Godfrey. more Scalysts. Sears.

1:19:15

Greetings. I forgot what they're called. Whatever

1:19:17

they're called. Just blow me up on Spraglia's Andor.

1:19:20

Just however many she's I haven't

1:19:22

put you in mind. Put you in yeah.

1:19:24

Uh-huh. But

1:19:27

what one of the ways

1:19:30

that

1:19:30

fascism can work is

1:19:33

in that situation, traditionally, there

1:19:35

might be a lot of escape valves. Right?

1:19:38

Or you can say, okay, I'm gonna get in the Australian

1:19:40

art. I'm gonna get in Australian, you know,

1:19:42

a a poetry. I'm gonna get in the Australian

1:19:44

music. No. Uh-uh.

1:19:47

what's what's available is the

1:19:50

is the most reactionary project

1:19:53

for her, which is accepting, you

1:19:55

know, arranged marriages at thirteen,

1:19:58

that part is allowed. Right? That part

1:19:59

is in line with a certain sort of I

1:20:02

mean, the thing that of mind for me is

1:20:05

the early project of Nazi

1:20:07

Germany is to create Germany as a as

1:20:09

a I mean, Germany exists as

1:20:11

a state, right, prior to this.

1:20:13

But part of what the the

1:20:15

Nazis attempt to do Andor

1:20:17

this is like

1:20:18

this is one of the big projects

1:20:20

of Triumph of Will and Andor one

1:20:23

of the big projects of Hitler's Randy speeches

1:20:25

is to tie together different parts

1:20:27

of Germany under a single national identity

1:20:30

by by saying, hey, whether you're in Bavaria

1:20:32

or in the Black Forest, you're German.

1:20:34

You're German first and your

1:20:36

local, you know, regionality, you

1:20:38

know, there might be something there you could be proud of.

1:20:41

Right? But, like, you're German first.

1:20:43

And and closing off ways of

1:20:45

being German that could be

1:20:48

open to resistance. Right? That could be resistive

1:20:50

to the entire project. because Germanness

1:20:53

came before, you know, arianness

1:20:55

came first, Germanness comes and

1:20:57

says, hey, this is more important than whatever

1:21:00

your local regionality is

1:21:02

the sense of producing a fascist set

1:21:05

of cultural practices that are acceptable.

1:21:07

And it it It feels to

1:21:09

me like Andor this is lots of speculation,

1:21:12

but it's informed speculation that this

1:21:14

is the sort of thing. You can go find

1:21:17

the Tradewife Elder on

1:21:19

on Coruscant. That person has not been

1:21:21

stomped out, but we know that they are only

1:21:23

barely tolerant of aldani

1:21:25

religious customs. Right? I have no

1:21:28

idea what what was practiced

1:21:30

before in terms of other cultural

1:21:32

activities on Sandrilla. My suspicion

1:21:34

is THIS ONE GETS THE PASSED BECAUSE IT'S

1:21:36

PERFECTLY WELL IN LINE WITH BROADER

1:21:39

IMPIRIAL, Reporter: SCQUIGS,

1:21:42

I What's so squiggly. So squiggly.

1:21:44

So squiggly. squiggly. Yeah. Maybe maybe

1:21:46

maybe that Maybe that's where they get the

1:21:48

squiggly. You're the ones who

1:21:50

fish out the squeeze, and then they sell them,

1:21:52

and they get turned into squeaks. So Delicious.

1:21:55

I

1:21:56

think one of the things now now that you were outlining

1:21:58

that, Austin, it occurred to me. Andor also,

1:22:00

I I guess, in some ways, the the fact that, like,

1:22:02

whatever Monozama has been teaching or practicing

1:22:04

in the home has not reached this kid. I think

1:22:06

living over all this is she's going to become the head of a

1:22:08

religious rebellion. that that at its center

1:22:10

has has may the force be with you. And

1:22:13

that it like a huge part of its project

1:22:15

is going to be, we'll bring back

1:22:17

these old Right.

1:22:19

The jedi. I mean, this is

1:22:21

the thing. Right? There is a desire that

1:22:23

I we can frame

1:22:26

say say this the right way, but there is anxiety.

1:22:28

There Wars a real anxiety. We are living

1:22:30

in a different world than there was before.

1:22:33

And it

1:22:34

is often the case. And again, I wanna say this

1:22:36

is what the show keeps hammering us with. People

1:22:38

know in their heart of hearts that something is

1:22:40

wrong. Something is off. I've I've

1:22:43

been constrained in some way.

1:22:45

how do they respond to that? What

1:22:47

types of responses are allowed and encouraged?

1:22:50

How is that anxiety sublimated?

1:22:53

and turned into productivity for

1:22:55

an empire. And in this

1:22:57

case, it's like I have an urge to be

1:23:00

to be from somewhere Andor it's like Okay.

1:23:02

Cool. Be be from the place where there's

1:23:04

Tradewife Heritage. Like, don't

1:23:06

be from the place that has a big

1:23:08

religious ceremony where you look in the sky and

1:23:10

see everything be overwhelming and

1:23:12

and have this cosmic relationship. No.

1:23:15

No. No. No. No. That that no.

1:23:17

But be safe than that in the bible. But

1:23:19

be safe. Don't go a star destroyer

1:23:21

in orbit above your planet.

1:23:24

Yeah. Yeah.

1:23:27

Uh-huh.

1:23:27

Allison's point is interesting to because, like,

1:23:29

the thing that I was thinking of in the scene Andor little

1:23:31

bit from the last one is, like, if

1:23:33

there was someone in Monmouth's

1:23:35

life, like, if the parent would probably be this

1:23:38

role of being the person of being

1:23:40

like, well, that's why we mean the empire,

1:23:42

you know. If if if Palpatine

1:23:44

was on Cinderella,

1:23:44

people wouldn't be doing this anymore. Right. And she

1:23:47

wouldn't be getting these ideas.

1:23:48

And like,

1:23:49

how longoth would have to respond

1:23:51

to that. I wish I'd seen that. That would

1:23:53

be fucking confusing. Please someone

1:23:56

write that scene for me to read. Thank you.

1:23:58

I mean, you're already doing it.

1:23:59

It's in my head now. It lives. Also,

1:24:02

like, the thing that Lita can

1:24:04

be a little little shit, but I think, you know, I

1:24:06

returned to

1:24:09

you know, in a horrible breakfast scene

1:24:11

where she calls out, like, you just care about

1:24:13

being seen drop off. Can you you you you

1:24:15

care about pretending to care,

1:24:17

like, you're involved. And the

1:24:19

sort of the tragedy, I think, of, like, the

1:24:21

the mama the household in a lot of ways is

1:24:24

that, like, Lita is picking up

1:24:26

on an incredible falseness at the center

1:24:28

of her mom. But the the thing is the falseness.

1:24:31

I think it probably is stemming more from the fact

1:24:33

that like like Claya, she's

1:24:35

spinning so many plates, and she's

1:24:37

constantly disembling. She is

1:24:39

the leader of a growing insurgency.

1:24:42

who has to pretend to be a

1:24:44

rapid privileged liberal senator.

1:24:47

And lead us king on that. even

1:24:49

though she can't quite figure out why. And

1:24:52

another big part of it is, of course, because

1:24:54

parents not part of that secret either. That

1:24:56

parent is locked out of it, So there's a huge,

1:24:58

like, deception in the home.

1:25:00

And so, you know, kind of

1:25:03

tragically is Lita looking

1:25:05

for something real has

1:25:07

gone to what sounds like the

1:25:09

exact customs

1:25:11

and ideologies that led

1:25:13

to this awful marriage

1:25:17

Andor to a home that really

1:25:19

has no sense of, like, trust or, you know,

1:25:21

as as as as as David sort

1:25:23

of indicates, it sounds like

1:25:25

the great strength of the Andor in marriage

1:25:27

is that we live adjacent to each other but not with

1:25:30

each other. We're not we don't care about each other

1:25:32

in that way. and lead as a

1:25:34

kid looking for something looking

1:25:36

for something to be tied into that's more secure.

1:25:39

And -- Yeah. -- is not able

1:25:41

to have the honest conversations with

1:25:43

with with Mon about, like, where

1:25:46

where they stand in relation to this. So we get

1:25:49

you

1:25:49

know, this all sets up

1:25:52

Velveveld

1:25:52

knows that this is bad.

1:25:54

And she she asks you're not thinking of

1:25:58

I don't know if you got how she asked them. She basically asked

1:25:59

you not thinking of, like,

1:26:01

betrohing her at this stage. And

1:26:03

mom doesn't answer. She just looks at Val

1:26:06

and just says, I am in so much trouble.

1:26:09

And finally, she

1:26:11

lays out to val

1:26:14

everything that's that's that's gone

1:26:16

wrong. And a big part of it was

1:26:20

got the water theme, setting

1:26:22

up a stream of accounts, it was like water

1:26:24

running downhill. Then for her,

1:26:27

just opening the spigots of money.

1:26:29

was so easy until it's a

1:26:31

it's a great scene. It's just she she outlines

1:26:33

how financial crime investigators have

1:26:36

suddenly gotten on her case. It's a long

1:26:38

beautiful speech about you've been

1:26:40

cheating on your taxes Andor your books are

1:26:42

in bad order. And what's great

1:26:44

is, you know,

1:26:45

she talks about she brought in tea

1:26:48

thinking

1:26:48

he could keep her safe Andor

1:26:50

that he could fix whatever, you know, issues

1:26:52

that have risen. But all

1:26:54

his acumen business, all he's done is

1:26:56

show her how much trouble she's actually

1:26:58

in. I have

1:27:00

to take the l here because she definitely

1:27:02

thought about it. Yeah.

1:27:07

Yeah. I love

1:27:09

I love that you see. I can't believe that'd be dads

1:27:11

with this. It's just a bad

1:27:13

vibe. It's Somebody just had bad vibes.

1:27:15

You got a little man. I just get a little

1:27:18

We're like, you know, late

1:27:20

is probably good with it.

1:27:21

Guess what? Time to serve.

1:27:24

Gentlemen culture. Here's your loveless

1:27:26

dog shit marriage Andor a bag of cash.

1:27:29

She's just such a baby. I

1:27:31

know she's thirteen. She's a child.

1:27:33

She is a child. She is a

1:27:35

child. She's

1:27:38

living in story books. She's in a nightmare

1:27:40

age though of, like, but can be really precocious,

1:27:42

really smart, really incisive, Mhmm.

1:27:46

And also have a child's understanding of the world.

1:27:49

Right.

1:27:49

And also her mother is leading a rebellion.

1:27:51

It's paying for a rebellion. you There

1:27:54

are conversations you cannot have, because

1:27:57

she would snitch. For few years, why can't

1:27:59

I go to

1:27:59

that school? We can't afford it. Why not?

1:28:04

because mama bought a squadron of x

1:28:06

wings. It's your soccer player.

1:28:12

ah

1:28:14

III know I

1:28:16

know Leila is going to fall in

1:28:18

love with the evil grandson.

1:28:22

It's just

1:28:23

it's she's too primed for it.

1:28:27

impringly see this meeting. So you What

1:28:30

show The show doesn't The show doesn't

1:28:32

play. The show doesn't play. so

1:28:33

much that needs to happen in the next episode.

1:28:35

Arvada dialogue stream. normalize

1:28:38

our screen. The big dinner party happens

1:28:40

off screen. Yeah. We

1:28:42

might only need the door

1:28:44

to open and Dave would've be there with

1:28:46

his shitty son. And for us to know that

1:28:49

what's happening is about to happen. Right.

1:28:51

I don't wanna see the shitty son. I just

1:28:53

need to see what he would yeah. I need to know. Yeah. How would

1:28:55

lives in his hair. Like, what's the vibe? What's

1:28:57

his

1:28:57

vibe? because is he as

1:28:59

as un like, un

1:29:02

is he clued in to

1:29:04

his dad's

1:29:05

vibes? Or is he like a

1:29:07

totally wholesome, you

1:29:09

know, maybe he's not a bad guy.

1:29:11

really. But doesn't

1:29:13

matter because he'll be a child too. Like,

1:29:15

ultimately, like, this is the thing. Like, it's

1:29:17

it's very funny because there's there's a little apartment.

1:29:19

It's like, okay. Like, Lita

1:29:22

would have no conception of how shitty this fate

1:29:24

could be for her. Right. Which is

1:29:26

a a small mercy here. Which is ironic if

1:29:28

she lives with the fate she she sees

1:29:30

the fate all around her. But but she's

1:29:33

she's she's wrapped her mind around too. You know what

1:29:35

I mean? The problem here is that they're not traditionally

1:29:37

shindrelin enough. this would all

1:29:39

be good if they if

1:29:42

they were more secure in the binding. It's

1:29:44

like a ship. Like a ship.

1:29:46

That's the wind type Sure.

1:29:49

Row. So but

1:29:51

the other part and

1:29:53

it it gives it, like, that will

1:29:55

kind of asks how much does Lutha know

1:29:58

And

1:29:58

we have this real honest, like, who

1:30:00

knows how much Louthan knows? He knows everything, but

1:30:02

also seems to

1:30:03

check out, like, people's

1:30:05

relationships to Louthan is a real

1:30:07

fascinating thread that runs

1:30:09

through. It's me the the focus of the next

1:30:11

scene. But you almost feel like they come up to

1:30:13

the the boundary like do you know, maybe can

1:30:16

can loathe Andor The answer

1:30:18

is he won't probably.

1:30:19

It's

1:30:21

no money compared to what they just brought

1:30:24

in. Four hundred thousand dollars.

1:30:26

Right? They brought a eighty?

1:30:28

No? You

1:30:29

can't slide little over. I

1:30:31

I, you know But

1:30:33

I think that's what she needs to But it's about where

1:30:35

it came

1:30:35

from. Yeah. because

1:30:36

whatever it gets transferred in from

1:30:39

is gonna

1:30:39

be watched. She don't have anybody a

1:30:41

chase. He don't have someone who can just move it over.

1:30:43

Wait.

1:30:44

He's supposed to live. Fifty guys

1:30:46

die. He's not gonna be like, let me.

1:30:48

Let me let the

1:30:50

government have my tracking number

1:30:53

and account number.

1:30:54

Well, Val is like you you

1:30:56

know what

1:30:57

you're in. Like, you know what you

1:30:59

signed up for. There's

1:31:01

no

1:31:02

Yeah. She's kind of hard on

1:31:05

on Monmouth mine away.

1:31:08

I

1:31:10

she should just process returns

1:31:12

from the

1:31:13

Your aunties.

1:31:16

Yeah. Yeah. No. I didn't buy that. Yeah.

1:31:18

That's almost all my cards. She needs

1:31:21

So Louthan needs to buy her like

1:31:23

a ton of gift cards. like, a ton not to

1:31:25

live on for, like, ten years. Mhmm. You're

1:31:27

right. And we

1:31:29

just make up the shortfall that

1:31:31

way. It's

1:31:33

it's Also,

1:31:35

also, she says in that speech

1:31:37

she was moving a hundred k a month.

1:31:39

Yeah. Yeah. That's a

1:31:41

wild,

1:31:42

bro.

1:31:44

with no flags.

1:31:46

Like, you were living differently.

1:31:48

But this

1:31:50

is the This is the most funny thing. I'm not entirely

1:31:52

sure. Like, I like, She detest

1:31:55

Daveo, and I'm only partly sure

1:31:57

because it's because Daveo is kinda like a gangster.

1:31:59

It

1:31:59

is also she is so blue blooded. She

1:32:02

is so blue blue. She's so rich. That's

1:32:04

what I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, that's so like,

1:32:06

when when, yeah, when Daybreak shows up,

1:32:08

she's like, oh, this place is, you know, the

1:32:10

government pace for it, I guess. I you

1:32:13

know, this isn't really how I live my life.

1:32:15

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Yeah,

1:32:17

you have a you're pulling up a hundred

1:32:19

thousand credits a

1:32:21

month. Do you

1:32:22

think your family holdings, like, it's nothing?

1:32:25

Do

1:32:25

you think to her

1:32:27

this the these Wars like,

1:32:29

the government, you know, issued

1:32:32

homes are actually

1:32:34

less Like a swaggy? Yeah.

1:32:36

Like a downgrade. Then Schindra

1:32:39

la.

1:32:40

Yeah. Shoot.

1:32:40

Like, that's that's why I felt like

1:32:42

when when Davos

1:32:45

came in was like, What's

1:32:47

good? What's a what? Like, I'm not really

1:32:49

Like, it felt almost like she was like, well, it's you

1:32:51

know, if it was

1:32:52

me, I would have it. way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:32:54

Perhaps. Perhaps. A

1:32:56

hundred k a month is a lot of

1:32:58

money.

1:32:58

What's a lot of money? Again, it's a

1:33:00

lot of squigs. It's

1:33:01

a lot of squigs.

1:33:02

Wild amounts of money.

1:33:05

If I were the empire, I would have figured this

1:33:07

out right now.

1:33:09

it

1:33:10

She felt no parties aren't

1:33:13

that good. You know what

1:33:15

I mean?

1:33:16

She ain't throw in she

1:33:17

ain't throw in the party of the season.

1:33:19

Well,

1:33:19

but it's all going to charity. It's

1:33:22

all it's all, you know. So it's

1:33:24

books for books, laptops for

1:33:26

Well, on the weird thing, I was like, you

1:33:28

know, they have to ups with a lower level.

1:33:30

You always kind of trade territory on your pond,

1:33:33

your plutocrats. You know? Yeah. Every other time,

1:33:35

like, is this a good plutocrat or a bad

1:33:37

plutocrat for authoritarian regime? they're

1:33:39

figuring out that she's a bad, you know,

1:33:42

like, she she's a bad elite,

1:33:45

but that's going to and

1:33:47

that's sort of what's happened. you know, these their

1:33:49

their respect for family money has

1:33:52

sort of reached its end Andor now they wanna know what you're

1:33:54

doing with it. But

1:33:55

the yeah,

1:33:56

she's she's only gotten this far.

1:33:59

So they they depart. They

1:34:01

have their they have their farewell. Certainly feel

1:34:03

we might be a final farewell. given

1:34:05

what VEL is heading into.

1:34:08

You

1:34:11

know, let's just let's just touch on this. We

1:34:14

a little, little, and or check-in. Usually, we like

1:34:16

to handle two things in blocks, but each of these seems

1:34:19

seems so distinctive. Andor

1:34:22

has gone back to Niyamoto. He hitched that

1:34:24

ride. His monies right there where he

1:34:26

hit it, but I do love just the picture of, like,

1:34:29

Wow. It turns out cops just jailing people

1:34:32

for seven years without a trial over small,

1:34:34

like, non infractions. Yeah. Kill

1:34:36

the vibe of Neomos. That