How does a golfer from a non-political family end up prime minister? Former Finnish Prime Minister Alexander Stubb shares his unusual political path, including joining a  party for the first time at 36 and becoming prime minister by "accident". He says we must find a way to be kinder to politicians and tells us why he's an internal optimist.   

This interview was originally used for our A Political Path written interview series, which you can find in our weekly briefings. We liked it so much that we decided to bring a longer version to our podcast audience. 

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