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Welcome to A Thriving Catholic Podcast

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, a show that's dedicated to helping Catholics

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live the extraordinary and

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abundant lives we were

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made for . I'm your host , jessica

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Castillo . I'm a Catholic life and

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health coach , and it's my mission to bring

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you the best practices of body

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, mind and soul each week and

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help you apply them in your daily life so

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that you can truly thrive

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Well

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. Hey there , friend , and welcome to the show . One

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of the questions that I have been asking

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myself so much over the last

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few months is what does

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it mean for Catholics to strive

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for excellence ? What

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is God's idea of excellence for us

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, and how do

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we , as Catholics , respond

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to that call and that innate desire

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to strive to be the very

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best that we can be , while

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also recognizing our constant

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reliance on God and our need for humility

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? These are some questions

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that I explored with my friend , kylie

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Hine , on her podcast

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Persistence in Prayer a few

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weeks ago , and

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I wanted to share this interview with you here because I really think that there's so many

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ideas and concepts about what the Catholic pursuit of excellence

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looks like that I

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think you will enjoy

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exploring as well , and if

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you do , I have some exciting

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news for you I'm actually

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releasing a new podcast

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in the next few weeks that

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will be called the Catholic pursuit of excellence

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. So if you are interested

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in this topic and you want to dive more

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into it , I'm going to share with you when

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that podcast is live . I would

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love for you to check it out . Okay , hope

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you enjoyed this interview .

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Have you

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ever found yourself in the middle of something and

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working hard , but really just truly

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excelling week after week , and

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then had this moment where

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you asked yourself what

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am I even doing ? Why

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am I here and

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why am I pursuing this thing ? Well

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, that is exactly what happened to my friend , jessica

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, and if you are someone who

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is always striving to

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do the absolute best , who is seeking excellence

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not just doing well at things

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, but really I mean you want to be the top

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of the top then you are going to

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love this week's guest . Jessica Castillo

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is a Catholic life and

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health coach and the founder of A Thriving Catholic , but

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she is also a West Point

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grad , she is a veteran

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and she is amazing . So listen

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, in this week we are going to talk

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about some habits that can really

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transform your life , and we're also

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going to share how

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you can truly be living out peak

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performance . Hello , beautiful souls

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and welcome to the Persistence in Prayer podcast

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hosted by Catholic Mindset coach , wife

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, mother , educator and speaker

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, kylie Hine . Kylie is passionate

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about helping you deepen your relationship with

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God through the power of prayer . This

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podcast is a space for high

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achievers who want to do it all , but

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also want to prioritize their

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spiritual life and grow in faith . Join

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us as we explore the beauty of persistence

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in prayer and the transformative impact

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it can have on our lives . Get

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ready to discover practical tips , insights

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and inspiration to help you develop a

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daily prayer practice and cultivate

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a deeper sense of trust in God's plan

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for your life . Let's journey together

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towards a more fulfilled and faithful

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life . As we invite the Holy Spirit in

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, let's begin . Invite the Holy Spirit in , let's begin

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. Please help me in welcoming the wonderful

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Jessica Castillo . Jessica

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is a Catholic life and health coach and the founder of A Thriving Catholic

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, where she helps her clients develop the transformative habits of body , mind and

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soul that allow them to stop merely

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surviving each day and instead start

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living the thriving and abundant lives that God

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made them for . Jessica , thank you so

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much for being here . It's my

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pleasure . Thanks for having me . Yeah

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, so I feel like there's so much to your story

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that your bio does not even touch

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on . Can you just give us a

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quick rundown of , kind of like , what

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is your story , how did you get here , and then also

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tell us a little bit about your family ?

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Yeah , sure . So my background

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is that I am actually a West

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Point graduate and a former army officer

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, so I am

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an adult convert to Catholicism

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. I ended up coming into the church in

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between my two combat deployments to Iraq in between

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my two combat deployments to Iraq . So

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I came into the church at

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Easter Vigil 2010

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. And shortly after that

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I married my husband

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and so we have

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together three children . And

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when I was getting out of the army and pregnant with my first child

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, I was really struggling to figure out what God wanted me to do now that I was done

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with the army and it was time to start raising a family . And so I really

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struggled with what a good

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Catholic wife and mom would be like

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and look like and

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what was my mission , what was my vocation

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all about . And because

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I was still kind of a baby catholic at that time , I

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didn't understand very clearly

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how greatly

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varied all

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the lives of the saints are and that there's

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not really a cookie cutter perfect catholic

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wife and mom , that there's this mold

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that I needed to fit into . But I didn't

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understand that at the time . So

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I was really struggling with

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that identity of no longer being

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a working professional and now

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I was a stay-at-home mom and

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what was I supposed to be doing with my life

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? I was still very achievement-oriented

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and driven , so I was starting

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a lot of different graduate school programs

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and so I like to joke that I'm a grad

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school dropout because like kind of

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like the Griefs Beauty School dropout , because

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I was just constantly

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in a grad school program

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because I would think this is it , I'm

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going to be a counselor or I'm

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going to be a teacher , or I'm going to be a teacher or I'm

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going to do this thing . And so I couldn't

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find anything that really fit

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me and really

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what ended up happening for me is

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that I had this

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downward spiral , this real

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struggle with what I know now

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was depression , but

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I couldn't figure out

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what I was supposed to be

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doing with my life and

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I didn't want to be wasting my potential

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, my talents , my gifts that I felt the

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Lord had given me . And

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I just felt really trapped

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and stuck in this life

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of of being Catholic wife and

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mom and I felt like I was just another

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you know , the word just

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was always in my mind and heart Like I'm

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just another mom , I'm just

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another Catholic woman , and

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there was nothing special about me

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and there was nothing special I could do , and

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so I started really spiraling

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, and you know , one quote

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that I often think about

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in this time is what St Thomas

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Aquinas said . He said man

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cannot live without joy , so

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when he is deprived of true spiritual

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joy , it is necessary that

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he turn to carnal pleasures . And

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for me , because I had this great

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disconnect between this

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extraordinary life that I thought God

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had promised me when I was going through

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RCIA and coming into the church , versus

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the reality of what my existence

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was , which really I felt like I was just surviving

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, I felt

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such a lack of joy that

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I definitely turned to these carnal

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pleasures . I started drinking heavily

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, I was binge eating junk

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food , I was staying

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up late to binge watch Netflix

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. I was just a mess , and I knew

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I was a mess , but I didn't care , like

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I couldn't care , because I didn't

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understand what I was dealing

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with . So , thanks

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be to God , I had a wake up

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call , and a good friend really bluntly

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pointed out to me this is depression , you

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are depressed , and so

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that was actually such a grace , though

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, because that helped me take

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stock of what was going on

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in my body and mind , that I

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had control over that , I

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could fix . And

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so I started implementing this strategy

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of taking better care of my

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body and mind and it worked

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very rapidly . My mood was

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so much better

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. I had lost a lot of weight , I

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had more energy , I could think more clearly

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and I recognized all of these physical changes

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had such a huge impact on my mental

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health . And then it finally took

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me to this doorstep of where

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I could turn back to the Lord and

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actually , from a place of

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clarity and a place of

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wholeness , I could turn to God and ask

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what do you want me to do

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with my life ? Because I feel like

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you've called me to something and

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I feel like I'm missing that calling

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, which is why I feel so unfulfilled

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and so unhappy . And

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when I did that and I was

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finally radically open to hearing

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what God had to say instead of chasing the

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next grad school program , I

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very clearly felt the call to

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found a thriving Catholic . And

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at that time I didn't know

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that coaching was a thing . I didn't

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know that there was a name for what

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I wanted to do . I just knew

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that I could help other Catholic

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women break free from living

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their lives of quiet desperation

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and I could help them develop

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those habits that would give

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them more energy , more vitality

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, like more wholeness , so then

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they could actually have that

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strength that they needed

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to be able to serve the Lord in

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whatever unique way he was calling them to

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serve him . So

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that's how I started a thriving Catholic

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and then , as I started , I

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just took one step after another . That's

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when I learned more about the world of coaching

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and I ended up getting certified as an

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integrative nutrition health coach and

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started training in Catholic mindset

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coaching . And all of that came later , but

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the vision for Thriving Catholics was

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the first thing .

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I think it's so wonderful , because sometimes

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God puts this thing on our heart and we

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truly have no idea how we are going

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to get there , like , okay , now

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once I finally know what it is , I don't know how

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I'm going to do it , but he just provides

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if we are patient and we follow that

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inclination . I want to go back

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to some of the things that you brought up , because I think that

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the questions you were asking yourself are so

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relatable to my

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audience and just so many women in general

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. So the first question that you said was what

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does God want me to do ? And

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I have found myself asking

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this question even when I was working

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60 hours a week . Like Lord , what

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do you want me to do ? It never felt like it was enough

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. What do you want me to do ? What do you want me to do ? Do

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you have clients still come to you with that question ? What does

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God want me to do ? I can't figure out what he wants

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me to do with this five minutes . I don't know what I'm supposed to

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do with my life .

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Yeah , it's so interesting that you mentioned , like this , five minutes and then this bigger

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life picture too , because if we don't have that clarity on what the bigger picture of our life is

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, it's really hard to figure out what we should do in those five

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minutes too . Yes , definitely

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. Had science come to me and say

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, well , I just need more time , I just need more

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free time . And then I'll ask them , well , what

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would you do with that time ? And

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they just get that deer in headlights look . Oh

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, I don't know , I need

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it though .

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My response would have been take a nap . I would take

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a nap .

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Yeah , there's a lot of take a nap

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, but a lot of especially moms

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, I think if they do unexpected

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get handed a chunk of free time like

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, for instance , say , their mother-in-law

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is now able to watch their kids and they say , okay

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, you have an afternoon for yourself , they really

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are almost at a loss because they

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have no idea what

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they want to do with that time versus

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what they need to do . You know there's all

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of these things that it can be very challenging

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. So that's a really good place

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to kind of start and dig into

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. How would you want to spend , what

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would that extraordinary life look and

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feel like for you and how

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can we get your current reality closer

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to that ideal ? And also

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dreaming with the Lord , like you said . Like when

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we have this vision for our lives , we say

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, you know and I think this is very common of

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very driven , very type A , very

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motivated people , which I tend to

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attract a lot of that kind of client

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to myself and they'll

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come and they have this idea

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and I'll say , well , I want to do X , y and Z and

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this is how I'm going to do it . And

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when we take a step back and we say , okay

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, that's good , thank you for sharing , but what is the Lord

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asking you to do ? What is he

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, does he get to say in this ? And that was

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something that I had to learn the hard way for myself

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, because I'm so stubborn and

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choleric myself . I thought I knew exactly

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what I was going to do when I got out of the army . I was

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already accepted into my first graduate

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school program . I already knew what

13:47

I was going to be doing and

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I think it was actually

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, looking back on it , such a great grace

13:54

and blessing from the Lord that he just kept putting

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brick wall after brick wall in my path

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needed

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that to really slow me down and get me to stop and ask those deeper questions and be

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open to hearing what he had to say .

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Absolutely , I think that sometimes we

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can , especially , like you said , the high choleric

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, because I'm also high choleric we push

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and , push and push like the next degree

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. Well , if I just get this one more thing , if I learn this one more thing , I'll be able

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to do something with it . I don't know , but I'm supposed to do it thing . If I learn this one more thing

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, I'll be able to do something with it . I don't know , but I'm supposed

14:26

to do it and we wanted to recognize

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for it .

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I dropped out of every grad school program with

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the perfect 4.0 . Like I was

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, I was a good student , but I just was

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not . It was never a good fit . It was never

14:38

the right thing .

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And why do I want this degree ? Why

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does the Lord want me to have this ? Because if he doesn't

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, then I'm pursuing it

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for some other reason , either because

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I want recognition , because

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I feel like I'm not enough , or because I really just don't know what to do , and I don't know

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how to sit still . So I'm going to do anything else to not be still .

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Yeah , it feels better to be striving

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for something , even if it's the wrong something

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. It feels better to be striving for something , even if it's

15:06

the wrong something , than it does to not know or to be stuck in indecision . I think that

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that's for cholerics . That feeling

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of indecision is the worst . So we just

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have to decide .

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We have to decide and move , and

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sometimes it's hard to take that

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pause to let the Lord lead

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us Absolutely and then

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it leads to , like you said , where the

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Lord has to intervene and say no

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, I need you to slow down , and sometimes

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that can show up in our bodies . You

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work a lot with the body and

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soul connection . When

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we are constantly going and going and going

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and we're putting ourselves in these high

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stress situations

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because we're not resting , we're always

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pursuing the next thing , how

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does that show up in people's bodies ?

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Yeah , it's a great question . Well , some

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of the more obvious things , especially

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with women , will be like hormonal disruption

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, so problems with their menstrual

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cycle , difficulty sleeping

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. Sleep is a huge issue . I

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help my clients with weight

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gain , or especially weight gain

16:10

around the midsection and

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the belly area

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. This is really common because stress is so

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high , so

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these sort of things start manifesting in the body , but also

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habits , like I developed myself

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, where they're coping

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by turning to substances , whether

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that's food or alcohol , or

16:29

even scrolling or

16:31

binging type behaviors , because

16:34

they're not managing or dealing with

16:36

their stress adequately . And

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one of the things that I really like to help my clients

16:41

recognize is that they

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can still be a very

16:46

motivated , high achieving , driven

16:48

person and

16:50

not let it consume them

16:52

, that they can actually be thriving

16:55

even while being

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a high achiever . And so that really

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comes down to keeping

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priorities very

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crystal clear and in order . And so

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when we keep

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first things first and

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really for us as Catholics , we know

17:14

that this is our relationship with the Lord . When

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we keep our eyes fixed firmly on Jesus

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, he allows us to run

17:21

this race way better

17:23

than we can do on our own and he

17:25

also , you know , augments

17:28

our efforts . He gives us and is able

17:30

to accomplish , in and through us , more

17:32

than we might ask or think . So we think

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we have big dreams for our lives . Well

17:37

, god

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has bigger dreams for our lives , and he can also help us to actually

17:46

achieve them in a way that is ordered , in

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a way that doesn't lead to burnout and stress and

17:51

all of these things that

17:54

we attribute to chronic health conditions

17:56

.

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Yeah , I , I remember just thinking back to my early twenties of the extreme work hours and just going

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and going and going and , like you said , food and alcohol . Food

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was always on the go , because that's all you ever had

18:12

time for . The alcohol was on the

18:14

weekends , cause it's like that's your only social time

18:16

. The bar was what was open , or

18:19

I had friends who worked you know crazy

18:21

hours , and so that was the only place to

18:23

meet . So then you found yourself drinking

18:25

to be social , but also

18:28

coping with the stress and not even realizing

18:30

that that is what you are doing . And

18:34

also sleep for me

18:36

was something that for so long I struggled

18:38

with , and I didn't realize

18:40

that I actually could turn my brain off

18:43

. I could get to a point where I wasn't

18:45

thinking all the time , but

18:47

I also grew up with

18:50

a dad and my mom too , where

18:52

theirs didn't turn off either . They

18:54

both had trouble sleeping , and so that's what

18:56

I grew up with . I didn't know that it could be

18:58

different . So

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we're ending

19:03

Lent right when we've been in the desert , we're

19:06

exiting out . You just finished

19:08

up a really great Lenten

19:10

group . Will you tell us , kind

19:12

of what were the fruits of

19:14

that group that you had ?

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Yeah , so this has been my

19:19

second year now running the Missio

19:21

Parada Lenten Challenge , and

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Missio Parada is Latin for mission ready

19:26

, and the intent of the challenge

19:28

was my

19:31

goal was to help people literally

19:34

become fit instruments in the hands

19:36

of God so that they could accomplish the

19:38

work that he's given them to do . But

19:40

in order to become mission ready

19:42

they really , for

19:45

most people we needed to cut

19:47

out some of these habits

19:49

that were holding us back or destroying our

19:51

health . So having

19:53

a disciplined diet , eliminating inflammatory

19:55

foods , getting enough sleep

19:58

, getting enough daily movement so

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these were part of the challenge and

20:02

then also incorporating

20:04

into your life a disciplined

20:06

schedule of prayer , which , for

20:09

the purposes of the Missio Prado Challenge

20:11

, include 30 minutes of daily Lectio

20:13

Divina and a daily rosary

20:15

. So we took these habits

20:18

and combined them into this challenge

20:20

, so we had this group of people

20:22

working together on all of these habits

20:24

that really

20:26

are truly in and of themselves transformative

20:29

, but when we do them all together

20:31

at the same time , the

20:33

effect is really it's really life changing

20:36

. So some of the response from

20:38

the challenge has been for many people

20:40

who had never actually been

20:43

that intentional about their diet

20:45

before . They were surprised how

20:47

well they felt how much energy they

20:49

had . They didn't need a nap every

20:51

afternoon anymore . They could actually

20:54

function the whole day . They

20:56

could think clearly anymore

20:59

. They could actually function the whole day . They could think clearly . But I think a bigger fruit of

21:01

the challenge for most people was that for many people they've never had

21:03

that deep meditative prayer before

21:05

, where they didn't know how to have that

21:07

kind of deep prayer before . And

21:10

incorporating that and also

21:12

all of the graces and blessings that come from

21:14

praying the rosary also

21:17

all of the graces and blessings that come from praying the rosary People have profound experiences

21:19

of a relationship with the Lord or recognizing

21:22

that God has something to say

21:24

to them in scripture , like

21:26

to them uniquely and to them individually

21:29

, and so I think that was one of the best fruits

21:32

of the challenge . And , of

21:34

course , when people have more energy , more clarity

21:36

of thought , they don't need a nap in the middle of the day anymore

21:39

. They don't feel like they're just surviving

21:41

their day . So they actually now do

21:44

have the capacity to

21:46

listen in their times of prayer to

21:48

what the Lord might be calling them to do . Maybe he's

21:51

got something extraordinary lined up for them

21:53

and now they're ready for it . So that

21:55

was the goal and the end of the Michio

21:57

Prado challenge .

21:59

The food thing . I don't

22:02

know if I didn't believe it for a long time , but I

22:04

never realized how much it affected

22:06

me , and I know some of the things

22:08

that you cut out in your challenge are

22:11

sugar I think you do wheat Is

22:13

that right ? Gluten . Yeah , sugar , gluten , sugar

22:15

, gluten dairy and alcohol

22:17

, yes , okay , so all four things

22:19

that I have had to cut out of my diet over time

22:22

. Um , in addition to other things , and

22:24

it does make a difference

22:26

and I even found

22:28

through some of my food allergies as we were

22:30

doing testing , because the place

22:32

they go , they do a very specific type of testing where they

22:34

will inject me with something that I'm allergic to and then

22:36

monitor the symptoms , the

22:38

doom and gloom , like that's

22:41

what they call it . Doom and gloom like this anxiety that

22:43

comes over you from a

22:45

food that you are ingesting , that

22:47

blew my mind , that that

22:49

, or nausea , like these things

22:52

that were happening to my body that

22:54

I thought were a result of stress , which

22:57

adds into it , but it was really

22:59

from something that I was eating and it was

23:01

causing it to be so

23:03

recurrent all of the time , and I had no

23:05

idea .

23:06

Well , people , I feel like what happens

23:08

is people are so used to feeling bad all

23:11

the time that they don't even know

23:13

what it feels like to feel well , and

23:15

so this is your normal . If your this is your normal , if

23:17

your normal is that you're always a little achy

23:20

and tired and your nose runs every day

23:22

, then you don't know that

23:24

there's a difference . You don't know what it's like

23:26

to have this vital energy or

23:28

to have this really happy mood where

23:31

you're just like washing your dishes and

23:33

you think I'm happy right now . What's

23:35

going on in my external circumstances ? Nothing

23:38

, nothing has changed . But you

23:40

will feel so much more joy and vitality

23:42

in your life . And , yeah

23:44

, people don't even know . And so part of why

23:46

I included that in the Monsieur Prada Lenten

23:48

Challenge is because I knew how powerful those

23:50

habits were for people . But

23:53

I also know that

23:55

Lent is a time that people are willing

23:57

to embrace challenge . They're

24:00

willing to embrace something that's hard

24:02

in a way that maybe

24:04

they're not always ready to do , something

24:06

that feels that for

24:08

them . So it's great . I always said

24:11

well , let's capitalize on your desire to do

24:13

something hard and let's do it for the greater

24:15

glory of the Lord and see

24:17

what happens , and the first year I

24:19

ran the challenge it was just a let's see what happens

24:22

sort of thing I wanted to see , and

24:24

now I know that it is really powerful

24:26

and it is transformative for a lot of people

24:28

.

24:29

Whether it's eliminating food or

24:31

making time to pray the rosary

24:34

or Lectio Divina

24:36

, which I will say . One of my Lenten

24:39

things several years ago was praying the rosary every day

24:41

, and I have stuck with it ever since . It is such a beautiful

24:43

practice , so if you are not praying a

24:45

daily rosary , I highly recommend

24:47

it . But going

24:50

back to this , a lot of people

24:52

, I think , will say I

24:54

don't have the self-discipline for that . Do

24:57

you think it's a self-discipline issue or is it

24:59

something else ?

25:00

I think that different personality types

25:03

respond differently . I think

25:05

anyone can be disciplined enough to do

25:07

something if they have a deep enough why

25:09

for why they're doing . And

25:11

so I think , for people who think that

25:14

they lack discipline , what they really

25:16

lack is a strong enough motivation to

25:19

help them do it . So I think that's part

25:21

of it A strong enough why to do

25:23

it . And then the other part is really

25:25

just about systems . It's

25:28

about having the

25:30

systems in place that make it

25:32

possible and make it easy for you to

25:34

implement and develop these habits . And

25:36

this is why , for the Miss you Proud

25:39

of Winston Challenge , I provided free

25:41

weekly training and coaching calls . But

25:43

for some people that's still not going

25:45

to be enough to really dig deeper

25:47

into the actual

25:49

practical obstacles that they might be

25:52

facing , but also the

25:54

mindset things that come up

25:56

, because sometimes people don't realize

25:58

how much they're holding on

26:00

to some of these bad habits . Like

26:03

, for instance , if your thought is

26:05

this is all I have

26:08

, the only pleasure I have in life

26:10

is that I can have this glass of wine and watch

26:12

Netflix . When my kids finally go to bed and

26:14

it's gonna be a big ask for

26:16

me to tell you to get eight hours of sleep and to stop

26:18

drinking alcohol . So you're like , no , that's

26:21

all I have . So some

26:23

of that requires a little bit deeper

26:26

work and that's where coaching can be really

26:28

powerful . To work with a client

26:30

one-on-one and kind of dig into what

26:32

is this limiting belief ? What is

26:35

holding you back from making this change ? I

26:37

think it's very rarely a lack

26:39

of self-discipline . People are disciplined

26:41

enough to do things . They just either

26:44

lack a deep enough , a good enough reason

26:46

why they should , and then

26:48

also the practical and

26:50

mindset pieces of just really

26:53

the science of habit

26:55

formation . How do we incorporate that ? We know

26:57

how habits work . Let's just tap

26:59

into that and use it to apply to

27:01

what you choose with

27:04

your intellect and your will to do differently

27:06

in your lives .

27:07

So , speaking of intellect and will , I

27:10

feel like that is a very Catholic . Those

27:12

are Catholic words , right ? Talking about the intellect

27:14

and the will , you brought up St Thomas Aquinas

27:16

earlier . What is the impact

27:19

of being Catholic on your ? How

27:21

does it affect your approach to health versus someone

27:23

who's an integrative health coach ? That is not Catholic

27:25

.

27:27

I think that's such a great question . Well

27:29

, first of all , as a

27:31

Catholic , I think that we should not compartmentalize

27:34

anything in our lives , that everything

27:37

is this beautiful united whole

27:39

. And then , also as a Catholic , we know

27:41

that we are just this beautiful

27:43

body-soul composite

27:46

, impossible for us to try

27:48

to separate out and

27:50

say this is my body and this is my soul , and

27:53

they're separate . That's just not

27:55

the truth of our nature , of our

27:57

human nature . So when

27:59

one part of your nature suffers

28:01

, either your soul or your

28:03

body , the other also suffers . And

28:06

so , as a Catholic

28:08

life and health coach , I try

28:10

to really bring that integration

28:13

and unity into everything I do . And

28:15

then I feel like it also helps to

28:18

avoid some really common pitfalls

28:21

that other health coaches

28:23

or wellness experts can fall into

28:25

, which it can be really easy to make

28:27

an idol of our health and wellness

28:29

and to think well , perfect health

28:32

is the goal , and really

28:34

I think of perfect health and thriving

28:36

health as a tool . As

28:39

we are instruments in the hands of God

28:41

, so is our health a tool to be used

28:43

at his service and the service

28:46

of God and our neighbor . And

28:48

I also think that it's

28:50

really easy to slip into new

28:53

ageism with wellness

28:55

, where , you know , a lot of

28:57

people in the health space talk about the

28:59

universe or manifesting things

29:01

, and so I really love

29:03

being able to , in my work

29:06

, draw on a very deep and

29:08

rich tradition that's

29:10

founded in the teachings

29:12

of the Catholic Church , that's founded in the

29:14

writings and lengths of the saints , that

29:17

incorporates prayer very

29:19

heavily in my coaching , which I think I

29:23

really don't know any other health coaches that are incorporating

29:25

a lot of prayer . But sometimes what

29:28

I work with my clients on is how

29:31

to have more aspirational prayers in their day

29:33

, and that's what's going to help them actually

29:35

get to that next level of now

29:37

they can make these other lifestyle

29:40

and habit changes . So I

29:42

just feel like for me it

29:44

can't be separated . There's no way to

29:46

just separate out and say , well

29:49

, I'm a Catholic who happens to

29:51

be a coach , and for me

29:53

I'm like now I'm a Catholic coach . It's like fully

29:56

integrated in what I do .

29:58

Absolutely . Which is what I love so much about the work

30:00

that you are doing I think that really drew my

30:03

attention to you when I first learned

30:05

about your coaching was you

30:07

do focus so much on helping people get

30:09

good sleep and develop healthy habits

30:11

, but prayer is just as

30:13

integral . You talk about prayer just

30:15

as much in everything that you are doing . So

30:18

this kind of leads to my next question . I

30:20

think part of it comes from making sure that we're prayerful

30:23

when we are approaching these things . But

30:25

, as you mentioned , having a lot

30:27

of type A clients come to you

30:29

, how do we get from

30:32

not trying to do it all ourselves

30:34

to relying on the Lord to

30:36

help us take care of our bodies , take care of

30:38

our souls , take care of our kids , because oftentimes

30:42

clerics are very self-reliant

30:44

. We don't see a problem

30:47

because we think we do everything right

30:49

.

30:50

Yes , so I

30:52

can speak from personal experience here

30:54

and say that this is a lesson that the Lord

30:56

has been working on me with

30:58

for my bulletin blog , and so

31:00

I am still learning

31:03

this lesson , which

31:05

is why it's helpful for me . I feel

31:07

like that's why I can provide some

31:09

insight to clear my hands , because

31:11

I totally get it , I

31:13

understand it entirely , and so

31:15

I think , when it comes to

31:17

how do we push

31:20

and do our best but also

31:22

rely on the Lord and

31:24

not on ourselves , I think it really

31:27

comes down to a very moment

31:29

to moment acknowledgement of

31:31

, first of all , the presence of God . Just

31:34

the Lord is with me now and

31:36

in each moment I can ask him to be with

31:38

me . And so I think , constantly drawing

31:40

to mind the fact that the Lord is

31:43

here and present and active

31:45

and offering each

31:47

thing that I'm doing to the Lord , and

31:50

then really accepting

31:52

whatever comes from that , whatever

31:54

comes from that moment , because I think that

31:56

the real challenge with cholerics

31:58

or with type A driven people , it

32:00

is so much that they

32:02

want to achieve and do a lot of things . I

32:05

think that the Lord has made us that way , and so I don't

32:07

think that that's the issue . I think that

32:09

the issue is that we want to also then

32:11

control the outcomes . Yes

32:13

, and I think what we have to do

32:16

is embrace our intensity

32:18

, embrace our desire to achieve

32:20

and to excel . I

32:22

think there's nothing wrong with wanting to be excellent

32:25

. The Lord planted that desire in your soul

32:27

Be great , to be extraordinary

32:30

. That's what he's made . He designed

32:32

you that way . So if we fight against that

32:34

, we're just fighting against our own nature

32:37

and that's ridiculous . But

32:39

if we channel that

32:41

intensity into service of the

32:43

Lord , knowing that it's his strength

32:45

that's given us that , like , nothing that we have is on our own

32:47

. He's given us our gifts , he's given us our talents , he's given us the very breath and

32:49

our lungs and the strength that we have is on our own . He's given us our gifts , he's given

32:51

us our talents , he's given us the very breath

32:54

and our lungs and the strength that we

32:56

have to do the work that he's

32:58

given us to do . He's given us all of that . It's

33:00

all a gift . So then , when

33:02

we channel that intensity and then

33:04

we also say to the Lord

33:06

now you do what you're going to

33:08

do with it , I'm going to do my best

33:10

, and then I'm going to like

33:13

, lose hands on the results , what

33:15

comes of this , what happens next

33:17

, what you plan to do with this ? That's

33:21

all you , lord , that's your lane . My

33:23

lane is to

33:25

discern your will as well as

33:27

I can , and

33:32

then I'm going to channel all of my intensity and energy and strength into doing your will

33:34

with excellence , the very best I can , but

33:37

I'm not going to worry about what comes next

33:39

, I'm not going to worry about the outcomes . And

33:41

that's where I think the difference is , that's where

33:43

I think it turns away from being ungodly

33:46

self-reliance , because , with so

33:49

many driven people , we're worried about what we

33:51

achieve , what we accomplish , what we do

33:53

. And I think that if we can shift

33:55

the focus from those outcome-oriented

33:58

things and instead shift the focus

34:00

to who we are becoming

34:03

in the doing , are

34:05

we becoming that saint

34:08

version of ourselves ? Are we

34:10

becoming more loving , more kind

34:12

, more gentle , having those fruits

34:14

of the Holy Spirit manifest in

34:16

our lives as we're

34:19

pushing and as we're trying to achieve

34:21

, I think that really changes

34:23

the whole dynamic .

34:26

Absolutely . You explained that so beautifully

34:28

, so thank you for that .

34:30

Like I said , I've been dealing with it a long

34:32

time .

34:34

Absolutely , and I can

34:36

100% relate , and I know

34:38

so many of my clients can too . The

34:41

letting go of control is so

34:44

difficult . We want

34:46

to be in control of our

34:48

time , of our outcomes

34:50

, all of the things , and so

34:52

surrendering

34:54

that to God is difficult

34:57

. And another

35:00

question that I think can come up , because , calerics

35:02

, it's like well , we can , we

35:04

think in our brains we can fit it all in , but we really can't

35:07

. So how do we know what

35:09

we're fitting in and what we can't fit in ? Because trying

35:11

to fit in all of the prayer and all of the exercise

35:14

and all of the healthy eating which does take

35:16

some planning initially to learn how to eat

35:18

that way when do we

35:20

start ? Because even

35:23

though we think we can fit it all in and be perfect

35:25

at it , we're going to burn ourselves out trying to do it . Where

35:27

do we start ?

35:29

Yeah . So I have a tool

35:31

that I love to use with my clients

35:33

and I actually offer for free called

35:35

the Habits Planner , and

35:38

it includes an ideal

35:40

week spread and also

35:42

tabs for figuring

35:44

out which habits you actually are trying

35:46

to develop , and then also a tab for

35:48

figuring out and building your routines , because

35:51

I think the more routines we have in our lives

35:53

, the more we can habit stack , the more efficient

35:55

we can be Law , efficiency

35:57

and productivity , just like

35:59

the next type A person would . But

36:02

I also think that what that helps us visualize

36:05

on a grid is this

36:07

is it . This is the time

36:10

that I have , and I

36:12

know I want to do everything , and

36:14

I wanted to have done everything yesterday

36:17

. I want it to be all done , but

36:19

if this is what I got , this is all

36:21

I have to work with , then it's

36:24

a great blessing to recognize I

36:27

can't do everything

36:29

. So therefore , I must

36:32

choose to only do what's

36:34

important , and then it forces you

36:37

to like sieve

36:39

out now what's important , what's

36:41

really important . And so , when it comes

36:44

to things like building healthy habits

36:46

or even building your prayer

36:48

practices , well , first of all , I

36:50

would say , for prayer practice , that's

36:53

always discernment with the Lord , because

36:55

he knows what's going to be best for you and , in

36:57

your current season of light , what's

36:59

going to help draw you closer to himself . Because

37:02

that's the point of prayer is relationship

37:04

, and so it's not so much can

37:06

you do every novena , ever Can you

37:08

do every litany that's ever been written

37:11

. It's really more like Lord

37:13

. What are you asking me to do right

37:15

now , in this season , and

37:18

let him guide those prayer practices

37:20

. But you bring that same prudence

37:23

and that same discernment to

37:25

deciding what your healthy habits are as

37:27

well , like your lifestyle habit , like

37:29

how much exercise do you really

37:31

need ? And when it comes

37:33

to things like this , I really like to think about what

37:35

are the high impact habits , and so I

37:37

often work with my clients on what

37:40

are the habits that are going to take

37:42

the least investment of your time

37:44

and effort and have the highest return

37:46

on investment . What are those high impact

37:49

habits that you can streamline

37:51

and build into your life in a system

37:54

so that it becomes like

37:56

it's on autopilot . You're not thinking about

37:58

it all the time , it's just running

38:01

in the background of your life and it

38:03

doesn't take a lot of your time or energy . That's

38:05

the goal of healthy

38:07

lifestyle habits . They should not take over your

38:09

life . They should just be humming

38:11

along in the background , enabling you to

38:13

do what you're really here to do

38:15

.

38:16

Absolutely . And I heard you say you

38:19

know , focus on one thing what is the

38:21

highest priority , and that the

38:23

scripture verse came to mind . You know only one thing is

38:25

necessary , and the one thing

38:28

that is necessary is our relationship with God

38:30

. It is that prayer time . But I

38:32

also heard you talk earlier Sometimes we're

38:34

not there yet . You said

38:36

that you had to start with your physical health , which

38:38

led to your mental health , which then led

38:41

to you being able to go to God and pray , and

38:43

I think that's where coaching really is

38:45

so invaluable is

38:48

because so many people are not at the point

38:50

where they can sit and have quiet prayer time

38:52

. We know it's important , but

38:55

it's not a priority right now because

38:57

we're not able to do it . And

38:59

we're not able to do it because we

39:01

don't know how to clear all the other clutter out

39:03

, whether it's the physical health , whether it's all

39:06

of the mental chaos that's going on

39:08

our relationships and our families

39:10

, all of those other things . And

39:17

when we're able to work with a coach and clear up a lot of those things and get to the root

39:19

of the problem so it's no longer an issue , then we're able to really hear

39:22

the Lord .

39:23

Yeah , and I think that it's

39:26

really common too , especially for

39:28

moms . You might have your

39:30

prayer time set aside , but if

39:32

you are not

39:34

sleeping and you're not eating well , or

39:37

you're drinking happily or you're doing any of these

39:39

other things that I mentioned , you

39:42

will probably come to a time of prayer

39:44

and just sit there and

39:46

either be angry and resentful

39:48

with the Lord because you're so tired you can't even

39:50

think clearly , or you'll think , oh , I'm

39:53

in such a time of desolation

39:55

and you're not . You're not in a time of desolation

39:57

, you're sleeping , you're just tired . It's different

40:00

. You're just tired , you just need a nap . It's

40:02

a different , different . Yeah

40:04

, that is so true , absolutely

40:06

okay .

40:08

I kind of want to circle back around to where

40:10

we started . You talked

40:12

about knowing this

40:14

. Is it going from one thing to the next thing

40:16

? So you were currently working

40:19

on your master's I believe in chemistry and then

40:21

you decided no , I'm

40:23

going to be a quitter , which is really hard for

40:25

clerics to do . I'm going to be a quitter and

40:27

I'm going to do this other

40:30

thing . How did you know when it

40:32

was time to just leave that life behind

40:34

and start out on something new ?

40:37

Well , for a little while I didn't quit

40:39

because , again choleric I

40:41

had just pulled an A in physical chemistry

40:43

and I was super proud of myself I

40:46

am not dropping out of this master's in chemistry

40:48

because I had decided , without

40:50

consulting the Lord , that I was going to

40:52

be a chemistry teacher . And so this is

40:55

what I was doing , because

40:57

I knew I loved teaching and I knew I loved

40:59

science and I knew I loved the mechanisms

41:01

of the body and how things worked . So I

41:03

thought , sure , why not ? I'm like

41:06

well , like it's hard , I can do this . So

41:08

I love hard things , like many

41:11

cholerics . So I was going to do the hardest

41:13

thing I could think of , and that was why

41:15

not pursue this degree in chemistry

41:18

. And I actually

41:20

continued working on that degree

41:22

while I was forming a thriving Catholic

41:25

and while I was building out

41:27

and starting my business . I was actually

41:29

doing both . And I finally

41:32

reached this point where I had to make

41:34

a decision about just

41:36

knowing like I couldn't do everything

41:38

, knowing that my time and my resources

41:41

were limited . I had to just really

41:43

be real with myself and say , okay , is

41:46

this something I'm ever going to pursue

41:48

or want to do , or am I willing

41:50

to go all in on this new venture and

41:52

all in on this whole new coaching thing

41:54

that I didn't know existed before

41:57

, and it's

41:59

been one of the best decisions

42:01

I've ever made , because

42:04

I see now how

42:08

perfectly equipped the

42:10

Lord has really prepared me

42:12

for everything that I would do in

42:14

my business and as an entrepreneur and

42:16

in the work that I'm doing now , whereas

42:19

if I I was just thinking this

42:22

morning , I was in

42:24

my kitchen and I was just thinking what would my life

42:26

be like if I was a chemistry

42:28

teacher right now ? And I thought , if

42:31

I was a chemistry teacher right now , and I thought , oh , I'd be so bored

42:33

, I'd be doing the same thing all the time

42:36

. And so , yeah , it is a hard

42:38

thing for a choleric , especially

42:45

because my first thought was , oh , people are going to think this was too hard for

42:47

me . This wasn't too hard for me , I could totally do this , but it was a decision

42:50

. It was a decision based on limited

42:52

time and resources and what

42:54

was really going to be the most fulfilling

42:57

thing that I could possibly do with

42:59

my life . And I think that's

43:01

the exciting thing about handing

43:04

over control to the Lord

43:06

, because not

43:08

only does he know us better than we know ourselves

43:11

. He also has so much better dreams

43:13

for us than we have for ourselves . I

43:16

was willing to settle for something so much less

43:18

than what the Lord had in store for me

43:25

to

43:27

know and come to trust

43:30

how good the Lord is

43:32

and how his

43:34

plans far exceed my plans

43:37

. So , yeah , I am a grad

43:39

school dropout and I can tell you a

43:41

lot about chemistry , but

43:44

I am happily not

43:46

a chemistry teacher .

43:47

Now , yeah , and really quick , because we've talked about choleric a lot . So for anyone who

43:49

is tuning in for the first time or who hasn't

43:51

heard me talk about the temperaments , even though I speak

43:54

about them a lot , choleric is

43:56

someone who is quick to react to

43:58

a stimuli and , as you can tell

44:00

, these are often people who are in leadership positions

44:03

. They really like to be in control

44:05

, they like to be efficient and get things

44:07

done . So that's a really

44:09

quick synopsis of cholerics

44:11

. St Paul

44:13

was a cleric . If you need a reference I want to go back

44:15

to . You said we do

44:17

the hardest thing , and for

44:20

clerics it's easy to do the hardest thing . But I would

44:22

almost add to that or maybe if you're

44:24

a cleric , you can take this question

44:26

to prayer Are we doing the hardest thing

44:28

? That is still in our control , because

44:31

we like to do hard things physical

44:33

, at least for me , I know . Like physically

44:36

hard , that doesn't sway me from doing

44:38

it . If it's mentally hard

44:40

, that doesn't keep me from doing it . But

44:43

sometimes the harder thing is to do less

44:45

. Sometimes the harder thing is to not

44:47

do anything at all and

44:49

to just sit and to

44:52

wait . And so

44:54

I would just if you're a cleric , maybe take

44:56

that to prayer . Okay

44:59

, before we wrap up , I

45:02

would love to talk about , as we are exiting

45:04

Lent , what happens

45:06

next . So , even those who went through

45:08

your program or anyone who was just finishing

45:11

up their Lenten commitments how do

45:13

we move forward in this next

45:15

liturgical season and not

45:18

lose all of the things that we've established

45:20

so far ?

45:20

all of the things that we've established so far ? Yeah , such

45:22

a great question . Well , like I

45:24

said , the

45:30

purpose of Missy O'Prater and the purpose of Lent in and of itself whether you

45:32

did the challenge or didn't is to become more

45:34

fit , more capable , more ready

45:37

for what the Lord has in store for you . So Lent

45:39

, this 40-day period , we know

45:41

, is a time of preparation , but

45:44

what are you prepared for ? And

45:46

so I really love

45:48

for people , as they're leaving Lent , to

45:50

just reflect on what is

45:52

my mission , what is it that

45:54

the Lord is calling me to

45:57

do ? And so that's why

45:59

, for my clients , I open

46:02

up enrollment for my group

46:04

coaching program , mission Driven Peak Performance

46:07

, which is where I help very

46:09

driven , very motivated people who

46:11

feel like the Lord is calling them to a big

46:13

mission , to be able

46:15

to embrace

46:18

these habits of body , mind

46:20

and soul and really take them to the next

46:22

level . It's about peak performance . It's

46:25

about being at your absolute best

46:27

so that you can perform your

46:29

best in whatever the mission is that

46:31

the Lord has called you to . So I

46:34

love it . I love it so much . This is

46:36

my third cohort running it coming up

46:38

, and it's just my favorite

46:40

thing I do .

46:42

That's amazing , and I have

46:44

even I know you had a download

46:46

at one point where you have even mapped

46:49

it down . I mean , you talk about systems and

46:51

the science behind what you do to

46:53

where , like which tasks you should

46:55

be doing with your cycle . Is

46:58

that ? Yeah , that was you right , okay .

47:01

Yeah , that's actually and that's something that I

47:03

have a month on . In Mission Driven Repeat Performance

47:05

, we talk about optimizing your hormonal

47:08

health and syncing things to

47:10

your menstrual cycle . So this is like the

47:12

more advanced level . So if you wanted to think about

47:14

, like the Monsieur Prada Lenten Challenge

47:16

as kind of basic , which

47:18

for some people they're like what ? That was basic

47:21

, well , basic , well , that was basic

47:23

. But when you come into mission driven peak performance

47:25

, we're going to be talking about things like your

47:27

gut microbiome and how

47:29

do we now optimize and

47:31

strive for better brain health ? What

47:33

are we going to be doing for your hormone health ? Like these

47:35

more advanced , I would

47:37

say , topics of performance

47:40

and peak performance . But we don't just do physical

47:42

habits . It's very , very

47:44

rooted in the mental

47:46

and spiritual habits as well Habits

47:49

of productivity , habits of

47:51

time management , habits of setting

47:53

boundaries , leaning into your strengths

47:55

and your unique

47:58

composition as a human being

48:00

. So that's all things that we do in

48:02

mission-driven peak performance . But we also really

48:05

focus on , with everything

48:07

we're doing , keeping our eyes fixed on Christ

48:09

. So deep prayer is

48:12

the most important thing and , in

48:14

fact , the guiding image for me for

48:16

mission-driven peak performance is the

48:18

parable of the sower , when Jesus talked

48:20

about the seed that fell amongst

48:23

the thorns and it sprang

48:25

up and it was growing , but it was choked out

48:27

by worldly concerns

48:30

and anxiety and the lure of riches . And

48:32

I think , for many of my clients

48:34

who are so mission driven , they want

48:37

to bear fruit for the Lord , they want

48:39

to spring up and bear fruit , but

48:41

they're worried about their businesses

48:43

, they're worried about money , they're worried about all

48:46

of the earthly concerns . And

48:48

so mission-driven peak performance is

48:50

really about how do we

48:52

cultivate the soil around

48:54

you so that you are a thriving

48:57

, flourishing plant that

48:59

is bearing fruit for the Lord , with his

49:01

strength flowing through you and bearing that

49:03

fruit . And so that's kind of the mental image

49:06

I always have in mind when I think about this program

49:08

and what we're hoping to do with it

49:10

, because I think that

49:13

it is those

49:15

type A driven people who

49:17

have been called by the Lord to a mission

49:19

who are most at risk of

49:22

letting it get choked out by thorns

49:24

and wheeze and the anxieties

49:26

of life . So I think about

49:28

it as helping you become burnout proof , helping

49:30

you increase your capacity

49:33

for excellence in body

49:35

, mind and soul so that you can long-term

49:37

keep doing the work that God's given you to do

49:40

.

49:41

Absolutely All right . I would love

49:43

to end with the scripture verse that you

49:45

gave me . I always end

49:47

guest calls with either a prayer tip

49:49

or a scripture verse , and why you

49:51

think every woman should know the scripture verse

49:53

. So you gave me Ephesians 3

49:56

, 20 . All glory to God

49:58

, who is able , through his mighty power

50:00

at work within us , to accomplish

50:02

infinitely more than we might

50:04

ask or think . Why

50:07

do you love this verse ?

50:09

Well , I think for me the word accomplish

50:12

is just so sparkly and exciting

50:14

because , again , I love to accomplish

50:16

things . Love

50:25

this verse because all the glory goes to God , who is the one who's accomplishing , in and through

50:27

us , so much more than we could even imagine , so

50:29

much more than we could even ask or think

50:31

, so I just love

50:34

it . I think that's the path to absolutely

50:37

accomplishing the most

50:39

we can possibly do in our lives .

50:42

Thank you so much for being here , jessica . I just want

50:44

to acknowledge the work that you are doing . I think it is so

50:46

incredible how

50:49

you have looked at the whole

50:51

human person the body and

50:53

soul , and are helping

50:56

those who have

50:58

been created by God as

51:00

natural doers . We want to do things

51:02

and we want to do them with excellence

51:04

. And helping women

51:06

like that lean into

51:08

the gifts that God has given them rather than

51:10

resisting them or feeling like something is

51:12

wrong , and not losing

51:15

those gifts , as you mentioned earlier

51:17

, worrying that our gifts are not being utilized . You're helping

51:20

them to really utilize those gifts in

51:22

the way that they were created to

51:24

be used . So thank you so much for

51:26

all that you are doing , all of the

51:28

wonderful coaching that you are offering the

51:31

world . Thank you all for joining in once

51:33

again . As we wrap up here today , I just want to invite

51:35

anyone who is looking to do more in their

51:37

life , with more hope and clarity and

51:40

less overwhelm and worry , to

51:42

send an email to info at kyleeimheincom

51:45

, to connect with me directly and

51:47

figure out a plan that is best for you

51:49

and your state of life .

51:52

Thank you so much for listening to this episode

51:54

. I really hope that you were able to get something

51:56

out of it . Please do consider leaving

51:58

a rating and review . I'll be back next

52:00

week with another episode . Bye

52:03

for now .