This week was a fun one for Rob and myself. We interviewed our teammate John de Goes, the senior product manager at Sapien. He has been such an incredible member of our company and was an awesome guest for the show!

Since joining Sapien, he helped us refine our humans first vision and has really distilled it throughout the team. We dive into that thinking in the episode, as well as our shared love for video games and metal concerts, the crypto-powered future for those facets of life, his experiences as a Venezuelan, and his life as a digital nomad since leaving his home.

What does it mean to feel stateless? What does it feel like when a simple cassette tape of Black Sabbath puts all the puzzle pieces together? What role do communities play in helping us accept our mistakes? How does a grown man beat 8-year-olds at Call of Duty?

This was such a fun conversation to have and I’m sure you’ll agree.