Meeting at the 2019 TechFugeesNZ hackathon Mike recognised two very clever, passionate, and dedicated wahine in Charlie and Samar ... and they got on like a house on fire.

Samar is currently an Azure Digital Transformation Specialist at Microsoft but really she would say that she is all about, "Empowering organisations to digitally transform their business with Microsoft Azure". Charlie is the Product Manager of Search at Trade Me and Advisor Member of InternetNZ's .NZ Policy Panel.

Both Charlie and Samar would say they are way more than titles and you need to listen to get to know the real them in this episode that ranges from "What even is tech?", through to, "How to support those that work in tech" Samar and Charlie have complimentary, but not always agreeing views, on how the New Zealand tech industry can "be better".

Charlie:
- https://nz.linkedin.com/in/charliegavey
- https://twitter.com/charliegavey
- http://charlie.nz/

Samar:
- https://nz.linkedin.com/in/samaralrayyes
- https://twitter.com/samaralrayyes

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