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1:05

Hey guys, welcome to Actions

1:08

Detrimental live right after Talladega.

1:11

We have just arrived back in

1:13

Charlotte about race ended

1:16

three hours ago. Yeah, probably three hours

1:18

ago. I

1:22

had a unique way of watching

1:24

the last few laps. You

1:27

did. We were on our way out of the

1:29

track. We were 10 to go. We had conceded.

1:31

We had taken the L and

1:33

we were heading home after the crash. You had

1:35

taken the L. I still had a handful of drivers in the race.

1:40

Nice. Well, you

1:42

were in the car with me, buddy. You were going.

1:47

And it was interesting. I

1:49

found out what life is like without a pylon.

1:52

We had no idea who won the race. I

1:55

mean, I'm in the infield in

1:58

the heap of the infield, right? Like

2:00

there's campers everywhere, there's tons of people,

2:03

and we didn't know who won the race. Like

2:06

we saw Rhett coming

2:08

by after the cool down lap and

2:10

we're like, does that mean he

2:12

won? I don't know, where's the six, where's the 34?

2:15

We're like, yeah, surely Rhett can win, like he's so far out,

2:17

the winner probably would have slowed down if they passed through or

2:19

finished. You sure I would

2:21

just turn around and look at

2:24

the scoring order. Right, imagine all the

2:26

fans though, they also have no idea.

2:29

No, it's okay, they were looking at their phones. Well,

2:32

we had to, we had to, luckily

2:34

for us, cell

2:36

service actually worked okay

2:39

this weekend. I don't know

2:41

about the internet, but I actually turned the

2:43

internet off and it was better. I

2:46

had better service. So we watched via.

2:49

Your mom's phone. My

2:52

mom's phone, which

2:54

is one minute, it

2:56

was basically a lap behind, right? Because I

2:58

was saying, oh, that's the white flag. And

3:00

I'm looking down at the screen and

3:03

showing two to go and they're in the same corner and I'm

3:05

looking at where the cars are. I'm like, well, that

3:07

doesn't match that. So they're

3:09

a lap ahead than what I'm looking

3:11

at. So if you are looking at

3:13

your phone, you're gonna

3:15

be a little behind. Right, when did, I

3:17

don't remember, when did you realize that Redick

3:20

won? I think we had

3:22

to wait for the phone to catch up. For

3:25

the phone to catch up. So we found out about

3:27

a minute after everyone else. Well,

3:30

I guess we found out a minute after the

3:33

people in the stands saw it for free. Right,

3:35

I guess. Anyone who had a visual. The people

3:37

in the infield, they didn't know. Scoreboard. The people

3:39

in the infield, they didn't know either. Because

3:41

we heard the scream, like I definitely heard

3:44

the screams. Like when I sit in the

3:46

bus and I listen or watch an Xfinity

3:48

race, the TV's

3:50

always behind. It

3:53

feels like it's almost a minute, but it's more

3:55

like 30 seconds. And

3:58

I Can always hear. The crowd screaming

4:00

when there's a wreck and then I

4:02

have time in a score and right

4:04

by my couch and I can see

4:07

yellow flag and I'm like oh we're

4:09

gonna come from, Where's the Reckoning come

4:11

from And so. It

4:13

different. These. Perfect. I was.

4:15

I had twenty minutes of just

4:17

misery. The or crashed out. I

4:20

mean sit here. We're running on

4:22

the other side, attract from of

4:24

the lead pack and. We.

4:26

Are we call crash Out but

4:28

that's a good segue to start

4:30

from the top. And.

4:33

Segue. From from the cup race

4:35

and will get into that to start

4:38

with the. Extended race

4:40

on Saturday. You think

4:42

crashed out is a good segue into

4:44

the exit eras. Yes,

4:47

it is. It.

4:50

Is. Because. They're.

4:54

When you crash out, there's no love. There's

4:56

Jesse. Love. Assessed

4:58

as. Jesse

5:01

Love of extremely race.

5:04

Ah man, it's. I

5:07

watched it net a way he was a

5:10

good race it a Devlin was a good

5:12

race iom when I was looking at the

5:14

top ten their you're just gonna fight for

5:16

to would it really matters that the very

5:19

end I'm i'm look at the-for cask as

5:21

first of all I'm seeing them as see

5:23

that it's down to two guys ryan seek

5:26

and. Who.

5:30

Is it? A jail Monday or and

5:32

ages cars destroyed and see hits the

5:34

wall by himself on the straight away

5:36

and then gets a flat target lot

5:38

down Some like all he just needs

5:40

a he needs a cautionary gets the

5:42

caution he's not the lucky dog gets

5:44

another caution, gets back on lead lap

5:46

passes as young wife like rap gets

5:48

a hundred grand little consolation prize for

5:50

him last week, the last week right?

5:53

So then I'm watching now look the

5:55

names in the top ten. going

5:58

it's this that green white checker

6:00

and I'm like, oh man, what

6:02

in the world's gonna happen here? And

6:05

it was better than

6:07

the Arca race, but

6:11

also so frustrating at the same

6:13

time because some of these drivers

6:16

are so inexperienced and

6:18

doesn't quite know that to

6:21

go forward, you must use the other

6:23

car. And I'm watching these guys and

6:25

girls, they're running

6:28

and instead of pushing whoever they get a

6:30

huge run on, they try to pass and

6:32

then it just destroys their run, they go

6:34

nowhere and Jesse Love just has

6:37

the easiest victory and

6:40

first victory in the Xfinity series for him.

6:42

So this is one he

6:44

got back for Atlanta, dominated Atlanta, had

6:46

ran out of gas there, I guess,

6:49

and man, just RCR

6:51

cars were just lightning fast on

6:53

these super speedways and Parker

6:56

Klugerman, him and Austin

6:58

Hill got together, that was just kind of a

7:00

racing thing where one pulled up, other

7:03

wasn't willing to give any space and

7:06

it all kind of worked out

7:09

in the end, they ended up both crashing at one

7:11

point. But

7:13

it looked like Parker was gonna get

7:15

his first win in the Xfinity series,

7:18

but not to

7:20

be, that was a tough beat there at the

7:22

end. But I thought the Xfinity

7:24

cars put on a pretty good show, they definitely

7:26

dice and slice and they ain't riding around like

7:28

we are, that's for sure. I was watching this

7:31

finish and I had one question that I wanted

7:33

to ask you when we got on here to

7:35

record the podcast. Brennan Poole looked like

7:37

the guy, if anyone was gonna take this win from

7:39

Jesse Love, looked like he was gonna do it because

7:42

he had gained the lead in three and- Off a

7:44

turn four. Off a turn four and he's running side

7:46

by side with Jesse Love and both of them are

7:48

disconnected from the pack behind him. And

7:50

then Jesse Love peels down to the bottom

7:52

of the racetrack. If Brennan Poole

7:55

was to follow him and maintain the side draft,

7:57

would he have had any chance- A much better

7:59

chance, for sure. But it

8:01

was just utter chaos from everyone behind

8:03

like Riley instead of

8:06

pushing Haley Deegan he went

8:08

to pass or he had a massive run and

8:10

then like in that instance you

8:12

gotta you gotta push the car in front of you

8:14

to keep your run going and that's

8:16

more you know extremely racing on super

8:19

speedways is like Cup

8:21

racing has been for many decades decades where

8:23

like you just take runs and you you

8:25

get them and you can pull out a

8:27

line you pass and you pull back in

8:30

line but Cup

8:32

racing. Oh my gosh. It is a whole nother

8:34

thing now. I hate

8:37

to say that skills not even a factor

8:40

anymore, but Man,

8:42

it's it's getting close to that But

8:46

yeah, it's you you have skill in

8:48

the Xfinity series and when you get

8:50

runs Tony Stewart always used to tell

8:52

me like Do whatever you got

8:54

to do to keep the run going like when you

8:56

get a massive run? If

8:58

you can keep your run going by pushing

9:01

someone else and then creating another run do

9:03

that Because you're attached and that

9:05

keeps it going and you can bounce from car

9:07

to car to car In

9:09

the 2016 day 200 500 that we won From

9:13

like I think fourth or fifth on the last lap I

9:16

just used that mentality of I

9:18

went down side drafted this guy side drafted

9:20

that guy got a push and just kept

9:23

that run going the entire last

9:25

lap and it I

9:27

ended up passing all the cars and When

9:30

you watch the Xfinity they Fox actually did

9:34

For a change a good job of keeping

9:36

it on one camera on the last lap

9:38

and it was the aerial camera and Like

9:42

you could see everything happening and you're like,

9:44

no don't do that No, don't do that

9:46

and it's easy for us because we're just

9:49

couch racers, right? We're just sitting here saying

9:51

it's so easy because we can see a bird's eye view

9:54

of it But in the car it is

9:56

so difficult to know what the right thing to do

9:58

is and Most of these drivers. Her

10:00

know heavily inexperienced and that's how they

10:02

get. The experience to get better is

10:04

to is to experience. So what it's

10:06

like the race for a when the

10:08

Talladega and we had some new names

10:10

up there that that obviously got some

10:12

great finishes. Well how do you keeper

10:14

of I'm real Watching this last lap

10:16

on my computer how do you keep

10:18

a run going in a two lane

10:20

race like like Riley for exemplary has

10:22

I run on Haley is he just

10:24

to the mostly continue to just. When

10:27

he comes up to just push are just

10:29

push her because that keeps his momentum going.

10:33

It gains her mom. You're using

10:35

her to a keep advancing your

10:37

position. So when does he then.

10:40

Pull out and try to pass as

10:42

well. he he probably. Should.

10:44

Push. Her. To. Were

10:46

then she gets the side she probably would have

10:49

been up as I just see lovers that whoever

10:51

was I think she was probably third or fourth

10:53

or something like that to use her to. Advance

10:56

herself to the next group or cars and then

10:58

the next group or cars. and so. It's.

11:01

It's not all Riley, I'm saying it's. All

11:03

the home top Ten was just

11:06

so disorganized that it. Created.

11:09

Kind. Of an easy win for just the

11:11

luck of the never really had it

11:13

defender defending thing because they were all

11:15

fighting just amongst themselves and and you'll

11:17

have that too when you have cars

11:20

that like this is their best team

11:22

finish right there duchess. Felker.

11:24

Eel they care about winning but they're like oh

11:26

my god I'm or six how going to finish

11:28

fifth? That be awesome for us. So it's just

11:30

it's a little different I imagine to that If

11:33

you're one of those drivers that are in that

11:35

spot right? you might have a chance to win.

11:37

Here your I have a plan of action when

11:39

it gets down our society. Yeah.

11:41

You know you don't. You. Have been

11:43

there for right? Yeah, I mean it's the

11:46

same thing. We watched the Arc race and

11:48

a it was single file for all sixty

11:50

laps or whatever it was of a suicide.

11:52

Ah, this is so painful to watch Like

11:54

you could put. I. Don't

11:56

I just the worst? By. fully

11:58

i don't even a higher category the best

12:00

or the worst, just the worst cup driver in the

12:02

arc of field. And they would just dominate that race.

12:04

Like they would be able to bounce between cars and,

12:07

and move themselves up through the pack. But

12:09

that's what the arc of series is, is

12:11

to get experience, to watch the

12:14

video learn and how are you going to do it

12:16

better next time? The only thing is with the arc

12:18

of series, they keep doing the same thing every time.

12:20

That's just running on the yellow line because there are

12:22

people up stopped in the spotters and are all yelling,

12:25

stay in line. Don't get out of

12:27

line. And it's because it just,

12:30

they do and they go to the back and there's

12:32

just not enough people with experience to

12:34

keep, keep those runs going. Also, is

12:36

it them knowing how those

12:38

other drivers will do if they push them

12:41

and so then they don't know how to

12:43

drive with those? That's a factor as well

12:45

too. It's man, if you, if

12:47

you get in the back of an arc of car

12:49

now, it's like, can that driver handle that push? Probably

12:51

not. Um, but it's, uh,

12:54

it's just so different. Like I've

12:56

never seen in a race weekend,

12:58

three races that raced so differently.

13:01

Like the arc was a type of

13:03

race. The Xfinity was a type of race and

13:05

the cup was a totally

13:07

different type of race. Right. From a,

13:09

just from a visual standpoint. Yeah. Which

13:12

is fascinating because the only thing that,

13:15

I mean, I mean, I guess there's a lot of differences, but

13:18

mostly it's yeah, it's just the drivers. Yeah.

13:20

But it's a super speedway track. Like if

13:22

you think that they'd all be relatively similar,

13:24

I don't know. You would think so, but

13:26

it's just, it just shows like how good

13:28

the cup drivers are. Right. Is it that

13:30

they are, they would know

13:32

how to, um, you know,

13:35

manipulate the draft to make runs happen and

13:37

stuff where the others are just like, I'm,

13:39

I'm staying in line and I'm going to

13:42

be happy with wherever I'm going to finish.

13:44

Cause I don't know what the hell I'm

13:46

doing, but also how limited the cup drivers

13:48

are by the circumstances of the car and

13:50

the type of racing. That's the whole, that's,

13:53

that's where we're, we're going with the

13:55

cup series. It's like, holy

13:57

moly. How can we do something a

13:59

little. something different to

14:02

combat what's going on right now.

14:04

To quote Kyle Busch, ride in

14:06

line equals finish where you are,

14:09

try to race for the win equals

14:11

finish last. I hate these expletive

14:14

emoji cars. I'm sure he's probably saying I

14:16

hate these cars. He's so right. He's

14:18

so right though and that's the tough part about

14:20

it is that when you look

14:22

at the final restart, it

14:24

looks like the last lap. The two

14:27

cars that controlled the outside line were

14:29

the same cars the entire last 30 laps because

14:32

you cannot afford to get out of line. If you

14:34

get out of line, it's over.

14:37

So the

14:39

reason that is these cars have a ton

14:41

of drag. So those who don't know at

14:43

home what drag is, that's basically how

14:46

fast the car can go down the straightaway. So

14:48

it's, you know, we have a big spoiler on

14:50

the car and there's a ratio of horsepower to

14:52

drag ratio. And then you're gonna

14:54

reach, you know, pretty much a top speed mile

14:56

per hour based off of how much

14:59

drag your car has. So if we were to

15:01

cut maybe an inch off the spoiler, it would

15:03

go faster down the straightaway. And

15:05

on other tracks, it would go slower

15:07

in the corner. So this car in

15:09

general, the next gen car has a

15:11

tremendous amount of drag in it. On

15:14

top of that, we've changed

15:16

to a common engine because

15:19

we wanna save cost. You ever heard

15:21

that before? We wanna

15:23

save cost. So we

15:25

now have more horsepower than we've ever

15:27

had on a super

15:30

straightaway. But we've had to put

15:32

a giant spoiler on the back of the

15:34

car to slow them down.

15:36

And we've slowed them down even more because

15:38

cars have flipped over in the last few

15:40

years and NASCAR wants to

15:43

limit liability there. So they keep

15:45

slowing the cars down more and more and

15:48

more. Well, what happens

15:50

is when you

15:52

get in a line, The

15:54

drag of your car reduces by a

15:57

huge amount. So The air is divided

15:59

up over. No, not

16:01

one car, but ten cars. Line to the

16:03

drag is kind of divided up between all

16:05

of them and it really varies based off

16:08

of how close you are. To. The

16:10

front and back of the car in front of

16:12

you and behind you and you can keep going

16:14

faster and faster the closer you get to those

16:17

cars. The. Negative

16:19

is when you go to pull out

16:21

of line and actually pass. It

16:24

is a parachute exactly right. It's

16:26

like pulling a dragster parachute. When

16:29

you're done with your with your

16:31

run it it the car stops

16:33

immediately because it doesn't have it's

16:35

so heavy on drag. So in

16:37

order to get back to the

16:39

what we sat for superspeedway racing

16:41

where we actually could race and

16:43

you could. Drive. From

16:45

the front to the back. Now

16:49

there was massively changes and that

16:51

was because this was Bristol to

16:53

point. No, no one really was

16:55

running hard at any point of

16:57

that race. I

17:00

think I may be ran wide

17:03

open. To.

17:07

Lapse. Today. Yeah.

17:10

Two laps. To. Lapse where I

17:12

was running to. Is. Hard as

17:14

I could possibly run. I

17:17

mean that's that's great. Our wrecked with was at

17:19

the final two labs that you had. No

17:22

I even then I listed when we're kind

17:24

of that single file on their at the

17:27

two years, but I. I. Think

17:29

Iran wide open early in the race to

17:31

try to just grabbed some track position a

17:33

third in the back. Some like I'm just

17:35

gonna go the top drive up to the

17:37

lead here. And men, I'll start

17:39

saving. And we

17:41

did that. but then once I started saving

17:43

it was like annie to save some more.

17:46

So I just kind of the pack to

17:48

skip getting slower and slower and slower because

17:50

what happens is no wants to be the

17:52

first car in line. You have to use

17:55

more fuel to to go because you don't

17:57

have anyone in front of you to draft

17:59

offer. So. You

18:02

never really want to be the lead car. For

18:04

sure. And now to what happens is

18:06

Dilly cars get out there and they're

18:09

like wow want to say fuel and

18:11

the person behind them same while want

18:13

to save fuel to and the person

18:15

besides starts going forward. And they

18:17

start passing their like when I'm in. Am I

18:19

going too fast? I need to slow down. And.

18:21

Everyone starts react in to each other

18:23

saying okay, we're We're going to keep

18:25

slowing down because. It

18:27

If this person's going slower than I am,

18:30

they're saving few more fuel than I am.

18:33

Their. Pit stops gonna be shorter the me

18:35

and they're about to jump in front

18:37

of me when we pick, so it's

18:39

just a battle over who can slow

18:41

down the most. That's. It

18:44

so counterintuitive, but they've been

18:46

me to start Called Talladega

18:48

the fastest. Track

18:51

In the world it is not.

18:53

If we run faster probably ask

18:55

the racetracks. Them

18:57

what we read today. it was just

19:00

and we. We were creeping around the

19:02

racetrack just fighting to run slower than

19:04

the guy beside us to his cars

19:06

impacts are. Laying

19:08

off the gas? can't you pull

19:10

out and ninja step on an

19:13

offset. Guys that

19:15

aren't. Pushing. As hard or not

19:17

does or not, how works. I'm.

19:19

Okay, so that's a good

19:22

strategy. So you're saying okay,

19:24

why doesn't someone. From

19:26

the back then say or screw this Isis want

19:28

to go. So.

19:30

They would have to hold their throttle

19:33

wide open so they. You. Could

19:35

you could drive up to the front? Any.

19:37

Might even if they if they really really

19:39

are slow like we were to they were

19:42

running fifty three, fifty four second laps. They

19:44

would actually pull away from the pack. But.

19:48

All. It would take his the ducks. That

19:51

the packet self of cars some it's like

19:54

the Palatine right? It is in in a

19:56

in a bike race I call the pack

19:58

let's call it. helped on. It

20:00

will start to speed up to they

20:02

could probably keep up with that car

20:05

running wide open. That. Just

20:07

drove to the lead. They could probably

20:09

run half throttle and run the same

20:11

speed. So. Then. The.

20:13

Person in front like well, why my burning

20:16

all this gas when. The.

20:18

The person right behind me running have throttle.

20:20

I don't want to be doing this. Let me get back to the

20:22

back of the pack. A. Let me get in the middle the

20:24

path. In. This is just a constant

20:27

battle. that's that's why the field keep

20:29

slowing down is that the leader. Automatically.

20:32

Like I don't want to be used more

20:34

fuel than. Anyone else. And.

20:37

So. The. Pack

20:39

would react to someone pulling out

20:41

of line and pulling away from

20:43

us. We were just barely put ten

20:46

percent more gas down on the

20:48

throttle. And. Catch right up to that car.

20:51

While. he's just pollen ass trying to

20:53

try to go we which is be

20:55

back there. Feather. In

20:57

feathering it, getting twice the fuel

20:59

mileage and we're We're right on

21:01

their ass, so it just wouldn't

21:03

work. But. You.

21:05

Want to be up front at some point

21:08

during this race? It's.

21:10

It's interesting we spend. A

21:13

hundred and fifty laps. Riding.

21:17

To race the last thirty eight. That.

21:20

Was that was. The goal

21:22

right is to once you get

21:24

inside that last your window then

21:26

you can actually start racing. We

21:29

saw racing today but it was

21:31

after that Toyota crash so lap

21:33

one fifty five on his when

21:35

we actually saw racing. but it

21:37

was was his to buy to

21:39

racing because like how Bush says

21:41

you can pull out line at

21:43

all. So I'm. The only

21:45

way. To fix it.

21:48

Well. We gotta ask. what do

21:51

we want to fix if you want to

21:53

fix the type or racing where you can't

21:55

pull out and pass you got sick drag

21:57

either course you've got to reduce the spoiler

21:59

height. The. You

22:01

gotta do some but then we're going to be

22:03

running too fast so then they need to restrict

22:06

the engines for then the engine builders would say

22:08

a neon need to build a new engine based

22:10

off of the new specs of this. Plate.

22:13

So it's just we keep going

22:15

in these damn circles where we're

22:18

making adjustments, You.

22:20

In it seems to always go back to these

22:22

engines. Yeah. We want

22:24

to run a common engine. We used

22:27

to have ill three injured packages. basically

22:29

right at we sabha five fifty package.

22:31

I'm. A seven fifty package,

22:33

A researcher play package which is probably

22:36

around three hundred, and and I'm totally

22:38

talk about of like three hundred seventy

22:40

five horsepower. But. It had a

22:42

really small spoil on it so the cars

22:44

were really momentum based. Now we've got more

22:46

power than what we know to do with.

22:49

We have to put a big ass pull

22:51

on it to slow us down. I think

22:53

we should reduce that spoiler height by a

22:55

large amount and then restrict the engines. But.

22:59

Then you'd go back tavern different engines, revving

23:01

different engine for your mile and a half

23:03

than you do your superspeedway as a threat.

23:05

ideally to keep the get them out have

23:08

reasons good right with the way this car

23:10

set up? Yeah and then never where. The.

23:13

Into builders or Nascar does not

23:15

want is to have separate incidents

23:17

and because that apparently somewhere down

23:19

the line we've saved costs by.

23:22

Having the same engine at all tracks. Okay,

23:25

so you rather reduce the drag. That's

23:27

that's one. Okay, so that sets for

23:29

the race ability the current, right? Okay,

23:31

if you want to hold out multiple

23:33

issues here, million for Op Ed the

23:35

The. If. You want to stop

23:37

the fuel mileage thing it? then you've gotta put.

23:40

You've. Got a either have more breaks

23:42

states breaks Sir Ronnie Childers What

23:44

did he say? He

23:46

was samba if they just added like of

23:49

have another stage so it each stage you

23:51

can get their on one stop whatever so

23:53

I had you not fuel saving Yeah so

23:55

Nascar? would they even you would You could

23:58

do is just take this. Take

24:00

this be way down a four hundred miles and

24:02

then the rate than the stages would actually. Primarily

24:05

other line up quite a bit bearer

24:07

to wear yes if if if I

24:09

stage was a fuel run. The.

24:12

We would never say because we're always

24:14

gonna fight for stage points. That's

24:17

that's why we're fuel saving. Worth. Fighting

24:19

to have a little better pit

24:22

stop. That ten laps.

24:24

Before. The end of estate so we can

24:26

jump ahead of the next guy. That was that

24:28

the whole game that were playing. So

24:31

if. Romney's right is that

24:34

if you. Made the stage

24:36

length the length of a

24:38

actual full fuel run where

24:40

we could run wide open

24:42

you would see. Balls Out

24:44

racing! For the entire day.

24:47

But. Instead, we run. We're.

24:49

We're We're pussy footing around this.

24:52

For. The entire race until thirty laps

24:54

ago. So I

24:56

don't think we should

24:58

add another stage. To.

25:01

It I know he said. You know we have an extra

25:03

stages of Charlotte. Listen. Super

25:05

three ways her scalp for way he too

25:07

many points. I hate

25:10

to see him at even more points to.

25:13

Super see ways I'm. Just

25:16

because he they they should be worth more

25:18

than what is you. What if he knock

25:20

them then so you you add a stage

25:22

but the stage points or less if there's

25:25

an extra stage. Yes,

25:28

the like there. Instead

25:31

of ten point seven seven points for

25:33

each stage when of yeah thing vs

25:35

ten then you've got different rules that

25:37

what you have decreased the length of

25:39

the race. I feel like is the

25:41

most logical decision. But why are. You

25:44

said seriously, bears are worth to me points

25:46

Or are they are they worth any more

25:48

than any other? If they're not, I'm just

25:50

saying you should make I'm worth more than

25:52

right Are Texas or something? you know? Because

25:54

it is such a i guess it may

25:56

be wouldn't be such a game of chance.

25:59

If. They had the stages to

26:01

weather in a few run. But

26:04

yeah, it was coming down to. We've.

26:06

Gotta get rid of this fuel

26:09

mileage racing in. The only way

26:11

to do it is to make

26:13

it to where we don't have

26:15

to pit in the middle of

26:17

a state. So there's a math

26:19

equation there and you today we

26:21

could run roughly fifty. Ah, right.

26:24

Fifty laps under green. Maybe.

26:27

It was forty. I. Forget which one it

26:29

is but yeah I think was forty. We

26:32

can run like forty one laughs under green.

26:34

If we ran all out. Ah,

26:38

Yeah. You would have to make the stages.

26:41

Forty laps. Forty laps for less than that.

26:43

We get to a stages so I don't

26:45

know. I don't know what the right thing

26:47

to do is. there more uses decrease

26:49

the length of the race. That's an option,

26:52

right? Yeah,

26:56

or I'm just kind of thinking

26:58

here. could you make it to

27:00

where. You

27:03

are stages to fulfill

27:05

runs. In.

27:08

Order makes it so. If

27:11

he ran all out, you pit. The.

27:13

New run all out again. And

27:15

neck as he did the into the stage

27:17

than saving wouldn't really do you anything or

27:20

how many times in this race or are

27:22

you hitting pit road six right? Oh

27:25

man, I'm fresh out. Are

27:29

pitted once and stage one

27:31

once in staged up at

27:33

the end. Stage one. says.

27:35

To mellow stage to. In.

27:38

The states to That's for. We.

27:40

Pitted because of their with caution. The.

27:43

Chase Elliott. Ah Chris Rebel.

27:48

Five. And

27:50

then we pitied under Green Six for

27:52

hop a job shared, right? So I

27:55

feel like there's a way to just.

27:57

A. Line the stages. Differently.

28:00

I don't the cropped up my head what

28:02

lap each to use, years remaining on but

28:04

the only way to largest it. But

28:06

but you can, he can only go forty

28:08

lapse of green. The. Races:

28:10

One hundred and eighty eight laps. You'd

28:14

have to have four stages. Know

28:18

Travis hum he laughs as a service hundred and

28:20

eighty eight. Gonna go with a gun. Eighty eight.

28:22

I trust me on that. Was gonna go Daniel

28:25

Move on How my Sosa you to run a

28:27

mile or years but Tennessee. Would

28:30

I guess they'll I don't understand it.

28:32

they get my head he said you

28:35

could make i'm to whole fuel when

28:37

there. Were so obviously

28:39

currently not so just shift so stayed

28:41

back a little bit eighty and then

28:43

you have a twenty laps shoot Rpm

28:45

sound fun. Could.

28:49

I don't know. There. There's a

28:51

way that there's a way to do it. I

28:53

just don't know the right way. Is it

28:55

may be the first stages forty. I'm

28:58

just. All the listeners

29:00

out here sorry I witless the figure

29:02

this thing out together if it's forty

29:04

and the first. Maybe.

29:06

Your second run in if. One.

29:10

Ah, Twenty. Hey

29:13

how are on here We go that to

29:16

fulfill runs. First.

29:18

Agent of Forty Second. Stage.

29:20

And it lap one twenty. That's

29:23

to fulfill runs. Theory.

29:25

Upon they should be able to run all

29:27

out. Okay, And

29:29

then you've got. Or

29:31

for short, on the backend. Damn

29:34

it or short on the back in. The.

29:37

Race is too damn long. Five hundred miles.

29:39

We'll need palmer miles. Anyway, we'd be race

29:41

for. As a tool to

29:43

two and a half mile track we race

29:45

for thirty laps today. So exactly that's what

29:47

say is you don't You don't race, thrive

29:49

on earth, are you? Right now on I'll.

29:52

add on our there's a way to do it at

29:54

the i'm sure they'll they'll talk about it today i

29:57

went out and saw your gets on sirius xm and

29:59

know park right Well, do you like what you

30:01

see? And maybe they might say yes, because

30:03

we were three wide. Now we weren't

30:05

going anywhere just because it

30:08

was a bonafide parade around there.

30:10

Just kind of showing off our cars.

30:12

But yeah,

30:15

it's just an interesting predicament. The

30:19

team searches smart. And they found that

30:22

the least amount of time on Pitt Road is the way

30:24

to the front. And once one

30:26

team figured it out, it circled

30:28

within their organization. And then

30:30

that organization linked it to the manufacturer.

30:33

And the manufacturer started to link it.

30:35

And now the whole field does it.

30:37

So it's just a, it

30:40

stinks because like I want to, all I want to

30:42

do is race. And I want

30:44

to race all out. You know, I want to be

30:46

able to use everything that I've learned

30:48

over the last 20 years on drafting and

30:51

apply it to see like, does it

30:53

work? Does it not? But

30:55

I mean, did you hear my radio

30:57

today at all? Yeah. Did you

31:00

hear Chris just barking at me to

31:02

keep slowing down? Like, I'm

31:04

like, damn it. I just want to race. And

31:07

he's like, nope. Slow

31:09

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31:11

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said that one car couldn't go out and

35:06

do it, but what if the Toyotas got together and

35:08

said, we're gonna just go? That's

35:12

what we did. They got together, Travis. I

35:17

was wondering why Jared wanted to do this

35:19

podcast tonight. He had some bangers in his

35:21

back pocket. He just could wait to use.

35:25

I got a lot of questions. Yeah,

35:28

that's what the Toyotas tried to do,

35:31

is say, screw

35:34

this, run around half throttle. We're gonna go

35:36

ahead and pit and we're gonna

35:38

run. And I

35:42

think it was gonna work out quite nicely. And

35:45

it did. It did

35:47

for the guys that survived the crash. They

35:50

were all up front because they had made their pit

35:52

stop. So we said, okay,

35:54

we can make it on fuel from here. Lap

35:57

150. We said, all right,

35:59

we're good to go. go 100% from

36:02

here on out, let's just pit. Instead of us run

36:05

around here, half throttle, we decided to pit.

36:08

And then we came out of pit

36:10

road and said, now let's run wide

36:12

open and look at our

36:14

lap times versus the field. And it was

36:16

going to work out quite nicely because they

36:18

were still saving fuel. Now they would have

36:20

adjusted their strategy for certain. Um,

36:23

but it was, it was

36:25

going to work out nice to where once everyone

36:27

else pitted, it would have been too late. We

36:29

would have been in front, we were cycled in

36:31

front of them. Well, when did this strategy begin

36:33

for Toyota? And when did it differ

36:36

from the other cars? Like, is this a strategy that

36:38

was put in place from lap one or

36:41

was this a strategy that was implemented midway through the

36:43

race? Cause we talked about, we just

36:45

talked about the math of the fuel saving and

36:47

whatnot. So how was Toyota able to get to

36:49

this spot where they could haul ass where the

36:51

other cars couldn't, I

36:55

mean, nothing happens by

36:57

chance. I mean, I was

37:00

at the Daytona 500 when we were

37:02

running four seconds off of pace. I

37:07

came over the rear to Christen says, what are we doing? Let's

37:09

just pit. We'll outrun the

37:11

pack. Like if we can make

37:13

it on fuel to the end of the stage from here, let's just pit.

37:16

Like this is silly. Um,

37:20

and we, you know, what

37:23

all, it all happened. We all decided we were

37:25

going to pit because we, we were

37:28

in our fuel window and we were just going to

37:30

see how it all panned out. And I, you know,

37:32

up until we crashed, it was going to pan out

37:34

great. But it still did.

37:36

Right. Because any caution that comes

37:38

out from the time that we pit to when

37:41

the others pit, we're good on fuel. We

37:43

don't need to pit. So when the caution comes out, we catch

37:45

up to the back. Everyone else pits to

37:47

try to make it on, have they have to make it on fuel

37:49

now. And then we've already pitted.

37:52

So, cause you don't go a lot down. Anytime

37:54

you cannot go a lot down, Um,

37:57

at a racetrack, you know, this happens at

37:59

Pocono. Quite a bit you have to be with

38:01

a certain distance of a leader to be able

38:03

to a pit and still stay on the lead

38:06

lap. So. That's why the

38:08

Poconos always known for it's strategy because

38:10

you're with there's his lungs are close

38:12

enough to lead. You can pit not

38:14

lose the lap Casa comes out boom.

38:16

You cycle right to the front cause

38:18

everyone in front of you has pitted

38:20

but they need to now So the

38:22

stride you worked. For. The

38:24

tourists at Duke and Wagner rec

38:26

because of incremental fuel saving throughout

38:29

the day. Now.

38:32

I know this is so confusing it we shouldn't

38:34

have tix. I. Know I.

38:37

It's frustrating because. Oh.

38:39

I know what went on. A You are

38:41

there and you don't quite know what's going on. And

38:44

I just. Want the fandom know

38:46

what's going on? Three, all the cars have

38:49

the same size gas tank, right? The guy

38:51

who's leading leading the race or runs out

38:53

front is bernie. More fuel in the guy

38:55

tags that could. Ah yes. Theoretically.

38:58

Okay, So. Y'all have to pay

39:00

I wrote of the same time to fill

39:02

up. I know, but. When

39:05

the packers are close together. The.

39:08

Difference between first place and twentieth.

39:10

his last call at one point

39:12

five seconds. Okay. Okay, If.

39:15

I saved just a little bit more fuel.

39:17

The new. My. Pit stop

39:19

will be one point five seconds shorter.

39:22

So now I cycle from twentieth is

39:24

long as I do the same job

39:26

as you getting on pit road Running

39:28

pit road excelling off a pit road

39:31

I technically should. Then be

39:33

in front of you. When.

39:35

We leave pit road and now we're all running one

39:37

hundred percent trying to get to the end of the

39:39

state or the into the race as it be So.

39:42

The. Two years pit had a little less fuel the

39:44

put in the tank. They were going to jump

39:46

the gun as. The

39:48

other cars because they were on the

39:51

other saw the racetrack running slow. So.

39:55

It's it's just about laptop right?

39:57

The and so if they run.

40:00

Two seconds slower than us for four laps.

40:02

Do the math was to time for. The

40:05

A. Date: With they if

40:07

we're on their ass when we come

40:09

to pit road and we run for

40:11

laps two seconds faster. When. They

40:13

pit. We. Should be eight seconds ahead

40:16

for wire than our own. Just as fast because they

40:18

were still saving where the Toyotas we're good to

40:20

go. to the end of the race, they could put

40:22

the throttle down and go correct right? But.

40:28

That's. Because you pit before them. Know.

40:32

We chose to go wide open. For.

40:35

A longer time? So.

40:37

We. Knew we could make it on gas.

40:40

We said we're going to go wide open

40:42

this entire run. State.

40:44

The final stage starts. To. Africa.

40:46

All cars have the same amount of

40:48

few. That's right, Okay,

40:50

yes, Midway. Through

40:53

State States three, the finals that wasn't

40:55

Midway is about fifteen laps in. the

40:57

was a wreck of everyone in assists

40:59

for ten. Everyone still got the same

41:01

amount of fuel, right? Yep! The

41:03

toilet pit and we did it. We did

41:06

but nobody else that know everyone else to

41:08

say was when I say my fuel yeah

41:10

that's right. okay and so then we only

41:12

have to run fifteen more laps. On.

41:14

The Racetrack both for.

41:16

It's. Member. How are so we

41:18

can go? Forty laughs on fuel? Once

41:21

it gets the forty last to go

41:23

in the race we hit got home

41:25

right then. And and. While

41:28

the field is still saving, saving saving

41:30

to try to have a shorter pit

41:33

stop when they actually do com workers

41:35

out there hauling ass make entire on

41:37

it you did not go up down.

41:39

that's right. Got.

41:41

It. So that's where the strategy. That's

41:43

where the Toyotas. Gifford from

41:45

the rest of the pack is it will soon

41:48

as you got enough fuel window, you piss the

41:50

group that were a dingo up down and you

41:52

have to haul ass while the other cars were

41:54

saving to. They had different plans got it? So.

42:00

Hopefully everyone listening and right now so keep an

42:02

output. With all this I think the I think

42:04

if they're think I may use it every has

42:06

watch Baylor hearts as. He better

42:08

than everyone else and drive through

42:10

the pack in. Ah, but it

42:13

worked as the person leading the

42:15

Toyotas was probably Reddick. Exactly

42:17

right. He left pit road first.

42:20

Therefore, when we crashed, he cycled

42:22

to delete, chose the outside line

42:24

in. That. Was it. He

42:27

loved that line until the end

42:30

because no direct cowboy sustainment knowing

42:32

can afford a plot line. You.

42:35

Have to to run where you are. Who.

42:37

We saw it too. I think Gibbs

42:39

tried to make a third line at

42:41

the end and it just went backwards.

42:44

He up it's. Typically

42:47

a third line is. Really,

42:49

really tough to make work when when

42:51

everyone's running. Hard. Will

42:54

work for the truth. I actually had a new.

42:57

In on my here and I said

42:59

what's the point of tumor because everyone

43:02

has meetings about working together Team turret

43:04

as. Decide. To work together

43:06

year. There was one mistake. In.

43:08

knocked out half the to it as two thirds of

43:11

to it as but. Ultimately, Actually, that

43:13

teamwork they'd pay off and it right A

43:15

did win the race. Exactly.

43:18

right? While. It

43:21

was a sale. From my perspective, it

43:24

was a win. For.

43:26

Toyota because. It.

43:28

If any caution that happens. From.

43:31

The time we pit to win

43:33

this when the palace armpits is

43:35

gonna be good for us because

43:38

we cycled to the front and

43:40

that's what happened with the Forty

43:42

Five, The Nineteen, and others is

43:44

array with this strategy. Have

43:46

worked in years past when to had a

43:48

had less cars. Now.

43:51

A very good question. Know you have to

43:53

have at least a certain amount numbers. Ah

43:55

yes it is kind of imperfect science of

43:57

with the numbers. you know how

43:59

many car you really have to have to be able

44:02

to run faster than the pack. But

44:04

certainly we've gained some numbers over the last few years

44:06

to make it a little more comfortable in doing that.

44:10

So Toyota Toyota Teamwork, their

44:12

strategy pays off Tyler Reddick

44:14

wins but he thought for

44:16

a moment here at the end that Michael McDowell was

44:19

gonna have a shot to win this and if

44:21

not McDowell, Brad Kaczewski. Yeah I

44:23

mean it always comes down to a bad block. I

44:26

mean it's just what we talk about every

44:28

Super Speedway and it usually starts with whoever's

44:30

leading the race. You

44:34

know I just I just

44:36

never have been successful being able to

44:38

swerve eight lanes

44:40

across the track and you

44:43

know especially on the last lap no one's

44:45

gonna lift. So I'm wondering you

44:48

know you know just armchair

44:51

quarterbacking here when I'm watching

44:53

the race via

44:55

our phone even

44:57

though we're there watching it

44:59

live. I'm watching and I'm seeing

45:01

Michael swerve from one you know from the

45:03

top to the bottom it's like you know

45:06

what's gonna happen here because even

45:08

if you do even if you

45:11

are clear of the six

45:14

he's he's not gonna check up so he

45:16

has a run coming and when you swerve

45:18

across the lanes he's just gonna

45:20

end up spinning you out from behind. You know

45:23

it seemed like he was

45:26

barely clear and it just kind of swiped

45:28

across the back so it wasn't an abrupt

45:30

hit but I just don't

45:32

see how the success rate of that is

45:34

going to work out. Even

45:37

if you are clear that

45:40

person is not going to lift and they're

45:42

coming at a rate of speed that is

45:44

going to spin you out. So it's

45:48

almost like you

45:51

gotta just kind of take

45:53

this Is easy for me to say

45:56

after I blew second last week. You know,

45:58

just take take second right? or take. Pick

46:00

whatever you can get put. Your. Live

46:03

to run another corner and I know the

46:05

checker flags right there in front of you.

46:07

But like, even if the Six Cap Asylum

46:09

was at the i don't know there was

46:11

the end of the world, at least he

46:14

can battle it out. But I just think

46:16

when. Typically. The leader

46:18

start swerving abruptly. Most

46:22

times I mean In in the Spotters. Well

46:24

as great as they are, there's no way

46:26

they can keep up with in know whether

46:28

he's clear that Six car and I'm looking

46:30

up. Django of Iraq is where the Tv

46:33

cameras is actually pretty close to where the

46:35

spotters are. It's like there's no way they

46:37

can tell when you're a foot clear to

46:39

foot clear. like. It's just

46:41

a bad angle so you're guessing

46:43

and he's probably got an in

46:45

car a camera that he's looking

46:47

at. but man, as fast as

46:49

he was switching lanes. A

46:51

with the what happened was was

46:54

like at one hundred percent chance

46:56

of happening and indeed just no

46:58

way of book of avoiding it

47:00

it happen because. Brad. Backed

47:02

off of a moth a turn for he allowed

47:04

the gap to get a little bit too big

47:06

to. To. The six car and that's

47:08

what created the run coming to him that

47:10

he had to block. On

47:13

Watson re watching the replay. It

47:15

just seems like though, that. This

47:17

is an all or nothing moves like I

47:19

know but it's gonna in in nothing. Ninety.

47:22

Nine percent of the time. But don't you have

47:24

to wait? Yeah, figure out a when he's in

47:27

the play offs like he's. You. Gotta

47:29

go for right I can place finish doesn't do

47:31

much for this team, right? They look at the

47:33

superspy ways as their chance to win superspy boys

47:35

in the redness. Probably fair. Know.

47:38

As a good point, Especially.

47:41

I mean did did does his team that they think they

47:43

can make it in the. In

47:46

the playoffs through points for know. Why?

47:49

Don't know, I don't think so. And the current moment? don't

47:51

think. I'm a i know where they're at. I

47:54

do know where their exes Travis write it down

47:56

for me. Ah,

48:02

While. You're not on the list. As

48:05

I good. So. Now

48:07

I see your point valid than

48:09

Jared that this is a. I

48:13

still think make like a girl is there twenty

48:15

six and point. I still think that the better

48:17

chance of winning is. Allowing

48:20

the person they get besides you. May

48:23

be very talk about Momentum. The thirty four

48:26

car on his final up as know Momentum

48:28

because is so far out there and the

48:30

pack behind him is. Not.

48:32

Anywhere close he and his about four

48:35

hundred yards from the surf. right? so

48:37

the the the only way he could

48:39

have defended this is to back up

48:42

heavily. To. The.

48:44

Six When the six started backing off, the

48:46

him, his should have backed up heavily to

48:49

the Six and a network cause some sort

48:51

of stack up. Off. A turn

48:53

for where they probably would have jumped to be

48:55

outside the six and then that thirty four can

48:57

then bounce. Between. The

49:00

two lanes to to keep his his

49:02

position. But. It's

49:04

just a hard it's it's hard track to

49:06

defend that it's so wide. It

49:10

is extremely difficult and and that's why

49:12

we seen so many crashes in the

49:14

Tri over there at this track so

49:16

he sent a tough spot. Hey yo

49:19

yo always think about Wow! want to

49:21

be leading on last lap Amina out

49:23

on of de de nada. it's assists

49:25

as a tough spot to be in

49:27

and he's knows that this is a

49:30

big opportunity for him and his team

49:32

and you're probably right, ease, ease they

49:34

can that. Blocking. Gonna

49:36

be the best chance for him to

49:38

win. It is

49:40

slow the game down now. And

49:43

think about it, it's like. I.

49:45

Don't know. Maybe. Letting

49:48

the car get besides you is not be into

49:50

the world maybe have a chance for me health

49:52

he gets facade you them to. Hook

49:54

up and left Harlem sensitive him

49:56

feel that.on that. but

49:59

certainly They didn't get the

50:01

the finished year for and man it's crash a

50:03

ton of cars Except for

50:05

your car the 45 man that

50:08

worked out nicely It did I

50:10

I watched it and when when I when I did

50:13

watch I'm like, oh my gosh That's just like the

50:16

wind that I had it back in I

50:18

think it was 2020 with

50:20

was it 2020 or 20? Yeah 2020 with Ryan Blaney and Ryan

50:26

Newman when they hooked each other and Newman

50:29

came across to the right and I

50:32

came in through the middle and side

50:35

draft the 12 and Beat

50:37

them to the line. It looked just

50:40

like that and Tyler just had You

50:43

know the instincts to hold a steady wheel

50:46

You know let them crash around you don't make any of

50:48

you know Some of the most

50:50

common mistakes made in super-spoo or racing in

50:52

crashes when they happen is people just Swerving

50:55

hard to left swerving hard to the right

50:57

and they end up crashing themselves and

51:00

so he just was like I'm gonna hold this line

51:02

here and see what happens and

51:05

when the 34 and the

51:07

six made contact it just

51:09

slowed the six down just

51:11

enough to where the 45 had it

51:13

all the momentum What

51:15

do you make it the decision of The

51:18

race being raced back to the

51:21

line. They didn't throw the caution immediately It let Tyler

51:23

pass the start finish line before throwing the caution

51:26

Yeah, I mean I Don't

51:29

know. I mean there was some pretty

51:31

junked up stuff and the only thing I don't

51:33

like about it was

51:35

that it Promotes

51:37

it. It really kind of promotes the

51:39

drivers to just hold the throttle wide

51:41

open and Pray, you

51:44

know what I mean, you know, it's Usually

51:47

it's like if you see cars crashing just

51:49

stop, you know Just slow down because there's

51:52

a caution coming and you're locked in your

51:54

spot anyway, but when there is no caution

51:57

You know, they ask what NASCAR does is they

51:59

look at the photo and

52:01

they look at the video of everyone who's crashing

52:04

and they start marking all these cars that are

52:06

in, they consider in the crash. Well,

52:09

if you can pass them

52:11

while they're crashing, they give you

52:13

that extra spot. So some

52:15

of these crashes that happen back in

52:18

the back of the pack was from drivers

52:20

saying, I'm holding it

52:22

wide open until they throw

52:24

a caution and if I destroy

52:26

my car, then so be it. Yeah.

52:28

Does it matter if it's just that

52:31

close? Like it's two seconds. Yeah. It

52:34

was right. I think that, you know, they held it off

52:36

at least till the actual, the line.

52:38

So yeah, maybe was it 300 yards,

52:41

200 yards late

52:45

from a safety perspective? Yes. But you

52:47

know, um, I

52:50

don't know. We did have one car on its side, others

52:53

that had pretty hard hits, but

52:55

man, I don't know. It's a tough, tough

52:57

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52:59

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56:02

today. Nevertheless,

56:04

this was a very unique

56:06

victory lane. Tyler Rettick

56:08

wins the race in the Jordan brand

56:10

car. Michael Jordan is at the race,

56:12

and then his first trip to

56:14

victory lane since he's owned the team with you. Yeah,

56:17

such a, again,

56:19

my emotions went from wanting to get

56:21

the hell out of there to suddenly

56:24

being happy and excited. I

56:27

still find myself hard because

56:29

I'm such a tough competitor, getting

56:32

away from the emotion of, damn,

56:34

my day just sucked. Oddly

56:38

enough, when my cars have won, I usually

56:40

have a, I had a

56:42

pretty good day myself. Usually I'm in the top five

56:44

or battling for the win as well. And

56:46

so it's not a complete loss, but

56:48

today was like, oh my God, we finished like

56:51

last. I left there

56:53

with no points. And then

56:56

all of a sudden my brain has to shift to,

56:59

oh, well, I need to be excited now. And

57:01

so when I, and I was,

57:05

but I really was once I got to victory

57:07

lane, right? When you see how exciting all

57:10

the crew guys were, the team

57:12

members were, you know,

57:14

Michael, how excited he was. It's

57:17

a big deal, man. You

57:20

can't downplay it in any kind of way. I'm sure

57:22

they've got, you know, Michael highlights

57:24

going all over the damn place

57:26

on social media. Certainly

57:29

Jared, you've got the great photo op

57:31

of us, you know, kind of

57:33

embracing there in victory lane. And so

57:35

it was his first time that he got

57:37

to experience

57:40

that. Is he no longer bad luck then?

57:44

He's no longer bad luck. That's for sure.

57:46

We had some good fortune today. But

57:50

yeah, you know, we actually watched on the

57:52

plane, right? Like

57:54

when he was behind the pit box, I think the front

57:56

stretch Had a video of it,

57:58

like. That was I don't

58:01

have we seen the team that excited. In

58:04

quite some time like. Is.

58:06

But it's been a minute. Rights as a team

58:08

has been that jacked up. You

58:11

have low winning you would have thought it

58:13

was like to cleansed server race in Phoenix

58:15

for championship. Yeah something like leave as soon

58:17

as I forget who said it like this

58:19

delicate championship celebration via a did in the

58:21

even in victory lane like. Hello

58:24

maybe at the Eleven team were to take

58:26

for granted that we. Win. Pretty.

58:29

Often so. I. Don't know

58:31

that the forty five team they

58:33

were they were celebrating like crazy.

58:36

But. It's it's just it's so different and

58:38

so I go in there and I'm like. And.

58:41

Try to be respectful. Patio: This

58:43

is Tyler Spotlight. Let's. Let. Him

58:45

do his thing and me Michael will

58:47

will stand the backs, take a few

58:49

photos and then ah had it often

58:51

and did some media stuff far as

58:54

the team owner but it's it's just

58:56

a moment you can't take back. A

58:58

mean it's a. Bow Reddick?

59:00

I mean can you imagine? He

59:03

has no idea, right? my hero,

59:05

that. Bit but. Goats holding

59:07

out basis like. A

59:10

sort of like The Lion King. Or

59:14

it's it's it's just awesome. he's gonna

59:16

have that moment. Forever.

59:19

Forever And as says, I'm so happy.

59:22

For Tyler and Alexa and Bow

59:24

and their whole family though Reddick

59:26

family, clarence his dad, it's a.

59:29

Yeah, it is great. It's great for them

59:31

and great for that forty five team. Though

59:33

the certainly celebrate this from for a while,

59:35

I think they're actually celebrate it right now.

59:37

They're certainly getting close to starting as they

59:39

had generates. But what is it like? For

59:42

you as someone who you know

59:44

grew up watching Michael Jordan when

59:46

everything and anything to possibly win

59:48

in the N B A is

59:50

basketball career, you know. everyone

59:53

knows about michael jordan and and what he's

59:55

one but then he comes a racetrack and

59:57

he celebrates the way he did after winning

1:00:00

just one of 38 races.

1:00:02

It's just another race. And

1:00:05

not to him. He's a competitor. And

1:00:07

I appreciated what he said to Jamie

1:00:09

Little there that starting

1:00:12

this NASCAR team really

1:00:14

it filled the

1:00:16

void of competitiveness that he had when

1:00:18

he was playing, right? And

1:00:21

so the only difference is he doesn't control,

1:00:23

he doesn't have control. Now

1:00:25

we do have controls over how we choose

1:00:27

to run the team and personnel that we

1:00:29

hire and things like that. But it's you

1:00:32

are a bit helpless when it comes down to a

1:00:34

green white checkered or 30 laps to go or whatever.

1:00:37

And I'm sitting there on the sidelines and I'm quarterbacking

1:00:39

like Tyler do this, Tyler do that, you

1:00:41

know, like, and, and you feel

1:00:44

helpless. But like when they do it, you just

1:00:46

feel so proud because you know, you've got a

1:00:48

hand in, in all of it. So yeah,

1:00:51

certainly a big win for 2311. And

1:00:53

that whole team is great

1:00:56

to see Bubba there celebrating with him

1:00:58

as well, congratulating him. It's just

1:01:01

there's nothing bad that happens from wins

1:01:03

like this. What does MJ bring to

1:01:06

the team that maybe another owner can't

1:01:09

bring to their team because of his,

1:01:11

you know, greatness in being a professional

1:01:13

athlete? Man,

1:01:17

I can't, I can't quantify it. But he's

1:01:21

the most popular athlete in the world. I

1:01:24

mean, is there more popular athlete in the

1:01:27

world? LeBron? Living? Oh my

1:01:29

god. I had to say it. I had to.

1:01:32

Oh my god. Jared. I

1:01:36

need a new co-host. Immediately.

1:01:38

Get this guy. I mean,

1:01:40

even Bubba said pre-race that

1:01:43

MJ said, I forget when this happened,

1:01:46

they were complaining and MJ said like

1:01:48

it's self-reflection and you can't, you know,

1:01:50

this complaining stuff has to stop. Yes,

1:01:53

there was a little of

1:01:56

that happening. I

1:02:01

think it was end of last year for sure. You

1:02:04

know, he, it was

1:02:06

during the playoffs and Michael likes to be

1:02:09

involved. He certainly is advised

1:02:12

in a very educated way through his

1:02:14

folks, but he likes to be involved

1:02:17

and he likes to ask questions and he likes

1:02:19

to learn the sport. Now, I mean,

1:02:22

even in victory lane, he was asking questions about,

1:02:24

well, the strategy. Should we have

1:02:26

done that? I'm like, yeah, it

1:02:29

was going to work out until it didn't,

1:02:31

but actually it did work out. So,

1:02:34

um, it,

1:02:36

it's hard to say what he brings

1:02:39

other than the affiliation of being

1:02:41

with the greatest athlete

1:02:43

in the world. Um, he's

1:02:46

obviously got some business relationships as well that

1:02:48

he brings to the table. Um,

1:02:52

you know, one thing I definitely love

1:02:54

about him is that, you

1:02:56

know, any ask, you know, and I try

1:02:58

not to ask him to do too much, but you

1:03:00

know, he understands when I do ask him

1:03:03

to do something that it's important and

1:03:05

he's, he can turn it on at

1:03:08

the right time with the right people. Um,

1:03:11

he's always curious when we do have VIP

1:03:13

meet and greets, he wants to

1:03:15

know their names, you know, who

1:03:17

are they with? With their affiliation,

1:03:20

with their job, like he,

1:03:22

he cares. And so to

1:03:24

have someone that really cares

1:03:26

about the people that invest in him

1:03:29

and his race team, it certainly goes a long

1:03:31

way. I think Ryan McGee tweet

1:03:33

afterwards, he's seen a lot of people

1:03:35

coming to the sport and his owners or whatever, and

1:03:38

you know, it doesn't work and they quickly get

1:03:40

out. And MJ has, he's been the opposite. He's continuing

1:03:42

to grow and, you know, wants to be at

1:03:44

these races and he's not just an owner

1:03:47

and name only. Absolutely

1:03:49

not. He is, he is not an absentee owner

1:03:51

for sure. He cares about this. He is a

1:03:54

race fan first. I'm

1:03:57

very, very grateful that we struck up the friendship

1:03:59

that we did. 14

1:04:01

years ago and what it has grown into

1:04:03

has just been amazing. I

1:04:07

find myself pinching myself at

1:04:09

times that not only is things

1:04:11

going well on the track for me in

1:04:15

my career but to be also affiliated and

1:04:17

have the partners that we have with

1:04:19

Toyota and Michael Jordan and all the

1:04:21

sponsors that are on 2311. It's

1:04:25

just surreal to me because I'd

1:04:28

never envisioned my life would have ended

1:04:30

up this way and so

1:04:32

it's hard to put it into words

1:04:34

for sure. I saw a tweet at

1:04:36

the end of the race and said

1:04:38

this is bullsh** even when Denny

1:04:40

doesn't win he wins. I

1:04:46

actually was in the infield care center and

1:04:48

I heard them dragging my car down the

1:04:50

front stretch and the people cheering. Did

1:04:53

you hear that or not? Well I heard people cheering

1:04:55

when the wreck happened and then I saw you were

1:04:57

in and I was like oh. Well

1:05:00

the infield care center is right there off of turn 4 and

1:05:02

so I heard the chh

1:05:04

chh chh the car just

1:05:06

dragging the ground and I heard

1:05:09

the cheers following the dragging sound and

1:05:12

I'm like those

1:05:14

a**holes. I mean seriously is

1:05:16

it that bad? But hey

1:05:19

we got the final laugh in the end. I

1:05:21

got one dear Denny for you this week. Hold on

1:05:23

I have to Venice that second. Can

1:05:26

we not have puddles on a racetrack? Is

1:05:29

it that hard to avoid? It's

1:05:32

a little hard to avoid because they weren't

1:05:34

there until they were there. So they

1:05:37

actually did a really good job cleaning drying

1:05:39

off the racetrack but what happens is the

1:05:42

track it does

1:05:44

get water underneath the surface through

1:05:46

cracks of the track. So

1:05:49

when the underside of the pavement

1:05:52

gets saturated with water when we drive

1:05:54

on it it's like a squeegee. It

1:05:57

has to push that water out somewhere.

1:06:00

And the nearest path of least resistance

1:06:02

is any crack that's in the track.

1:06:05

Well, unfortunately for me, I

1:06:07

mean I had just the worst day trying to come

1:06:09

on to Pitt Road. Chris put me in a pit

1:06:11

box I'd never been in early

1:06:14

on to Pitt Road there and my visual

1:06:16

wasn't good. I just did a horrible job

1:06:18

all day long getting on Pitt Road until

1:06:20

the final stop. I actually did

1:06:22

okay. But

1:06:24

yeah, the first one I just ran through a

1:06:26

puddle, spun out. I was more worried about hitting

1:06:29

the inside wall so I just bailed and said,

1:06:31

I'm just going to spin through the grass, bounce off

1:06:33

of whoever I've got to, to not

1:06:36

hit the inside wall. I didn't want the kind of

1:06:38

damage that would end my day. So that

1:06:40

was, they had it there and I think he

1:06:43

said that. Look, Joey went through a damn lake.

1:06:45

Oh really? Yeah, the exit of Pitt Road.

1:06:47

On the exit. It was bad. He

1:06:50

must have been really low. No, no. They

1:06:52

were high. They were like four wide is the reason

1:06:54

why he ended up, it wasn't a spot that anybody

1:06:56

really got close to the rest of the

1:06:59

day, but because there were so many people, he went through it,

1:07:01

but like, I don't know,

1:07:03

from just the fans' perspective, it seems like that was kind

1:07:05

of dumb that they didn't do something. It is. The

1:07:08

only problem is they just, they'd spend all day trying

1:07:10

to get that to stop leaking,

1:07:12

right? And the way

1:07:14

they see it is it's off the racing surface.

1:07:16

So it's kind of up to us to kind

1:07:18

of navigate around that. So not much they can

1:07:20

do to it for sure. You know, it's funny,

1:07:22

Travis. I don't think it was shown on the

1:07:24

broadcast, but one

1:07:26

of the final pit stops, Denny came in,

1:07:28

I think it was at the end of

1:07:30

stage two on the second time

1:07:33

through to top off. Joey

1:07:35

Logano was pitted in front of him and Denny just

1:07:37

like parked it, just like put in party like, all

1:07:39

right, I'll wait until you leave your pit box and

1:07:42

then I'll pit. Yeah, I was

1:07:44

just trying to beat, he was leading the race or

1:07:46

up towards the front. And I always think it,

1:07:49

I don't know whether it's just me that thinks this,

1:07:51

but I, the right away always

1:07:53

should go to whoever car is running

1:07:55

higher. When, you know, when you see collisions of on pit road, you

1:07:57

know, A

1:08:00

car leaving, a car coming, a car going,

1:08:02

right? To me, the

1:08:05

car coming in needs to heed

1:08:07

to the car coming out always,

1:08:09

because it's like a yield.

1:08:11

They got the right away. Right. And

1:08:13

Joey at the time was up towards the front,

1:08:16

and I'm at the back, and I'm

1:08:18

not in need of doing a quick

1:08:21

pit stop. We're just gonna come in and top

1:08:23

off. So I see him sitting in his pit

1:08:25

stall, and I'm parked, my pit is right in

1:08:27

front of him. So if he

1:08:29

drops the, if I pull in to

1:08:31

get my fuel and tires, I

1:08:33

have a really large chance of boxing him out

1:08:36

to where he has to then back up, and

1:08:39

then he would lose his track position, and I'm, you

1:08:41

know, I ain't trying to be no dick. Like maybe

1:08:43

I get the repay, you know, the favor of repaid

1:08:45

down the road, right? Because I think that's the right

1:08:47

thing to do is, I'm at the back, I

1:08:50

just, I literally just go in

1:08:52

his pit cruise pit in the car,

1:08:54

and they're filling it up, and I'm just parked right behind

1:08:56

him. I'm like, y'all go ahead, go

1:08:58

ahead. And then, you know, when he takes

1:09:01

off, the crew members all give me the

1:09:03

thumbs up. I'm like, yeah,

1:09:05

yeah, we'll get that back down the road. Your decision

1:09:07

making is completely rational. It's just very funny to look

1:09:09

at it through the lens of, oh, here's the 11

1:09:12

car. He hasn't been able to get

1:09:14

on pit road the last two times. So

1:09:16

this time now, he's just taking the time, and you

1:09:18

know, it was slowly pulling up. I think at one

1:09:20

point of the day, Chris says, are

1:09:23

you doing okay in there? Said,

1:09:25

no, things aren't going too well so

1:09:27

far today. Oh, I don't know. This

1:09:31

has been a bad couple weeks stretch for

1:09:34

finishes. That's for sure. Time

1:09:37

to get back on the horse. Where do we go next

1:09:39

week? Dover? Dover. Hey,

1:09:42

we led our 12th consecutive race.

1:09:46

The record's 17. I

1:09:48

wonder if we have any road courses. That's the only thing

1:09:50

that might take me. But you might get the pole. I

1:09:54

better really concentrate on qualifying. Try

1:09:57

to keep that streak alive. Is that a record they even care

1:09:59

about? though leading a race I may

1:10:04

or may not have put the gas down

1:10:06

a little heavy early on to lead

1:10:09

a lap I was

1:10:11

aware of it for sure there's

1:10:14

future Hall of Fame induction here's Denny

1:10:16

him when he won 60 races and

1:10:18

a championship but he did lead 17

1:10:21

races in a row listen

1:10:25

I mean it's not they're not

1:10:27

bleeding like because we stayed out

1:10:29

under a caution like we're legitimately

1:10:32

leading every single race yeah so

1:10:35

it was I was just taking advantage when everyone was in

1:10:37

fuel-safe mode I'm like I

1:10:40

just want to go ahead and get this

1:10:42

lap lead thing done early so then Chris

1:10:44

can get off my ass and that's

1:10:46

basically how that was going questions

1:10:50

that we want to ask dear

1:10:54

Danny we need answers and we

1:10:56

need them fast I

1:11:01

got one dear Denny for you

1:11:05

before we wrap

1:11:07

this show up

1:11:10

I know drivers can't communicate

1:11:20

with each other but can crew

1:11:22

chiefs communicate among themselves on the

1:11:25

radio to set up strategies yeah

1:11:28

they do they have different chat

1:11:32

groups I don't know

1:11:34

I don't know if they're in an

1:11:36

aim instant messenger AOL instant messenger group

1:11:39

or something like that but yeah

1:11:42

they do they talk they

1:11:45

also talk with it depends on your race

1:11:47

team but you know like we have a

1:11:49

war room back at at airspeed

1:11:51

and so we have engineers in that air

1:11:54

in that war room that are talking to

1:11:57

both crew cheese and stuff at the time and

1:11:59

then at racetracks like this

1:12:01

certainly uh... you know

1:12:03

though they'll be uh... more

1:12:05

likely afford channel for their

1:12:08

crew chief for chevy will have their crudgy

1:12:11

stall channel so they'll communicate when they're

1:12:13

putting in things like that so

1:12:15

they are community is not a yard but

1:12:17

mostly on racetracks like this they won't on

1:12:19

other racetracks because it's not as imperative that

1:12:21

you put together right like it is here

1:12:25

anything else you want to touch on now

1:12:28

i want to put this this weekend behind me

1:12:30

even though it's it was a good weekend as a

1:12:33

whole uh... celebrate

1:12:35

tomorrow but sundays are reserved

1:12:37

for sulking

1:12:40

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1:13:00

check in with you after dover after we went over

1:13:03

we're going to recall now we're going

1:13:05

over you got it

1:13:09

with the paper to yeah okay

1:13:11

so so you after uh... new hampshire when

1:13:13

i can't believe you remember that those before

1:13:15

your time to it was by made a

1:13:17

video with that kali that's

1:13:20

how you know my whole history you got

1:13:23

so much old content yeah all right let's

1:13:25

create new ones this review close out the

1:13:27

show is review from the smith uh...

1:13:30

actions that are metals one of the best

1:13:32

ask our podcast out denny produces great

1:13:35

insight into the sport but i wasn't

1:13:37

a fan of driver denny until today

1:13:39

this mf or goes in track walks

1:13:41

with frank the tank you

1:13:44

know what i did notice today at just

1:13:47

a practice up is

1:13:49

i'm pretty sure i am

1:13:51

pretty sure now a lot of

1:13:53

people were the same thing ever nascar it i'm

1:13:56

pretty sure i thought the one pre-race

1:14:00

say, hey man, appreciate you and

1:14:02

what you do in your podcast. And

1:14:05

then when I was in driver intros, I saw that

1:14:07

same fan on the other side of the fence giving

1:14:09

me the finger and booing me. I'm

1:14:13

pretty sure that that's the way this works. Right.

1:14:17

I mean, certainly they're more vocal on

1:14:19

the other side of the fence. Yeah. Leave us a

1:14:22

five star review and you can flip them off at

1:14:24

the track. That's all I ask. All right. Listen to

1:14:26

Travis. You get a free, free boo. If you leave

1:14:28

a five star review. And if I'm server review, so

1:14:31

we'll see y'all next week. Peace

1:14:33

out.