On this episode of Ad Chatter, host Dan Goldgeier talks about the advantages and challenges of mid-sized independent ad agencies with Steve Red, the President + CCO of Red Tettemer O’Connell & Partners in Philadelphia. Discussion topics included:

• How a copywriter/art director partnership became a business partnership
• His agency’s “No sh-theads” rule
• Whether he’d pitch the Tesla ad account if he had a legit shot at it

It’s a fun, 26-minute podcast.