0:01

Self-care is listening within and

0:03

responding in the most loving way possible.

0:06

So I'm checking in with myself, whether

0:08

that's my body or my emotional state,

0:11

and then seeing, okay, what do you need right

0:13

now? You know, most people they

0:15

use self-care, talking about, oh, go get a massage,

0:18

kind of this pampering kind of feeling,

0:20

versus what you're saying is it's really

0:23

how you speak to yourself. Richard

0:31

Branson, Michael Phelps,

0:34

Justin Timberlake, James

0:36

Carville. Wait a minute. Where

0:39

are the women? Greta

0:43

Gerwig, Lisa Ling, Audra

0:46

McDonald, Simone Biles.

0:49

That sounds like a list of highly

0:51

successful titans in a variety of industries.

0:55

They all have ADHD, but you don't hear

0:57

much about that now, do you? You

0:59

know what else you don't hear

1:02

about? Are the 43% of people

1:04

with ADHD who are in excellent

1:06

mental health. Why aren't we

1:08

talking about them and what they're doing

1:10

right? I'm your host, Tracy Atsuka, and

1:13

that's exactly what we do here. I'm

1:15

a lawyer, not a doctor, a lifelong

1:18

student, and now the author of my

1:20

new book, ADHD for Smartass

1:22

Women. I'm also a certified

1:25

ADHD coach, and the creator of

1:27

Your ADHD Brain is A-O-K, a

1:29

patented system that helps ADHD women

1:32

just like you get unstuck and

1:34

fall in love with their brilliant

1:36

brains. Here, we

1:38

embrace our too muchness, and we focus

1:41

on our strengths. My

1:43

guests and I credit our ADHD for

1:45

some of our greatest gifts. And

1:48

to those who still think they're

1:50

too much, too impulsive, too scattered,

1:52

too disorganized, I say

1:55

no one ever made a difference by being too

1:57

little. Hello,

2:03

hello, hello. I'm your host Tracey

2:05

Otsuka. Thank you so much for

2:07

joining me here for another episode

2:09

of ADHD for Smartass Women. Before

2:12

we start, I just want to remind you

2:14

that you may find my new book with

2:16

Harper Collins William Morrow, also called

2:18

ADHD for Smartass Women wherever you

2:21

buy your books. It's

2:23

a compilation of all of our

2:25

learnings here on this podcast. If

2:27

you'd like more information, go to

2:29

adhdforsmartwomen.com. Now, on

2:32

to the podcast. You know my purpose is

2:34

always to show you who you are and

2:36

then inspire you to be it. And

2:38

in the thousands of ADHD women that

2:40

I've had the privilege of meeting, I've

2:43

never met a one that wasn't truly

2:45

brilliant at something, not one. And

2:47

so for this reason, I am just

2:49

delighted to introduce you to Taylor Elise

2:52

Morrison, co-host with

2:54

ADHD at age 29. Taylor

2:57

turned being bad at self-care

2:59

and being firmly convinced of

3:01

every human's potential. I

3:04

love that Taylor. I think we share

3:06

that into a career. She's

3:08

the founder of Inner Workout and the author

3:10

of a book by the same name, Inner

3:13

Workout. Recently named one of

3:15

Fortune's 10 innovators shaping the future

3:17

of health, Taylor and Inner

3:19

Workout have been featured in

3:21

prominent publications such as Fast

3:23

Company, Quartz, Fortune, Mind Body

3:25

Green, Forbes, and many more. Taylor

3:29

is tired of aspirational wellness

3:31

as usual. Instead, she makes

3:33

well-being and personal development more

3:35

accessible. Taylor uses her

3:37

coaching, mindfulness, and movement training to

3:39

meet people where they're at and

3:41

offer actionable steps towards creating a

3:44

world without burnout. Taylor

3:46

welcome and did I get all of that right?

3:49

Yeah, you got it totally right. It's always a

3:51

little uncomfortable hearing someone say you're bi and being

3:53

like, oh, yeah, I did do all of those

3:56

things. That is me. Thank

3:58

you, Tracy, for having me on the show.

4:00

Absolutely and I honestly think that

4:02

that is especially

4:05

for women with ADHD brains.

4:08

We tend to, especially entrepreneurial sorts, we

4:10

tend to be what I call next

4:12

people. So we accomplish something and then

4:14

we move on to what's the next

4:16

big thing that I can accomplish instead

4:18

of really staying in there and celebrating.

4:20

Now I know you do things differently

4:22

now but I think that's part of

4:25

it. You hear all these things and you're like, wait, did I

4:27

do all of that? Right?

4:30

You know we're going to talk about what

4:32

it is that you came here to talk about but

4:35

before we do that, I

4:37

would love to talk about your ADHD

4:39

diagnosis first if that's okay. Yeah,

4:42

I would love to share more about

4:44

it. Wonderful. So can

4:46

you tell us what were the

4:48

circumstances around your diagnosis? Were you

4:50

diagnosed as a child or I

4:54

think 29 years old,

4:56

you were not diagnosed as a child. Tell

4:59

me. No, I was not

5:01

diagnosed as a child. So really what happened

5:03

was maybe for about a year or so,

5:05

I started noticing people

5:08

in my life who had ADHD

5:11

or were getting diagnosed with ADHD

5:13

or maybe got diagnosed as kids

5:15

and never mentioned it in

5:17

our relationship or in our friendship but then it

5:19

came off and I was like, oh, I've always

5:21

identified with you. I've always felt like I had

5:24

so much in common with you. I

5:26

wonder if that's something that I have

5:28

going on as well but

5:30

it really came to a head where I

5:33

had a summer where I just had so

5:36

much going on at once. I have what

5:38

I like to call a portfolio career so

5:40

I have my company in a workout. I

5:42

also have other consulting and other business endeavors

5:44

that I do and I love it. I

5:49

just also realized, oh, this isn't

5:51

quote unquote normal. I

5:54

know sometimes folks with ADHD, they

5:56

will have multiple stimuli that they

5:58

have to get. and the exact right

6:00

way in order to work. So someone might

6:03

have like YouTube on and music and something

6:05

else to get in their zone. And

6:07

I have this moment, I was like, oh,

6:09

I think I'm doing that with my career. And

6:12

I wonder if I should talk

6:14

to someone about whether or not I have ADHD.

6:17

And so that's when I

6:19

started doing a lot of research myself

6:22

and noticing how, because I,

6:26

that's why I love being on this

6:28

podcast for Smartass Women, because I actually

6:31

did decently while at school, I am

6:33

kind of book smart. I was able

6:35

to slide under the radar.

6:38

I also had a lot of structure in my home.

6:41

So I didn't really

6:43

realize all of the pieces of

6:45

my ADHD until one big

6:47

point was when I went to college and all of

6:49

a sudden I had to try and everything was hard.

6:52

And then as I've continued to

6:55

grow into my adulthood, I realized,

6:57

oh, when I had to create

6:59

the structure myself, I really

7:01

struggled to do that. I get

7:03

really distracted. And so that's kind

7:06

of what made me seek out a diagnosis. That's

7:08

so interesting. So your experience sounds so much

7:11

like my own. And first I wanna say

7:13

that I had never heard someone use

7:16

the term portfolio career. And

7:18

I love that. Lots

7:20

of times I hear serial entrepreneur

7:22

and I'm thinking, that sounds

7:25

terrible, right? It's just kind of one

7:27

thing after another and versus portfolio, that's

7:29

something you build. So I just, I

7:31

really love that you use that phrase.

7:33

So I'm curious, when you

7:35

say you were book smart, did

7:37

you always feel however you could

7:40

do well, but

7:42

you always felt like you could do better

7:44

and you had to work harder than everyone

7:46

else? Or was it just, was that

7:48

just your area of interest and it just came so

7:50

naturally to you? I

7:53

think I mostly did well when it was

7:55

interesting. I did well in school across the

7:57

board, but I did better when it was

7:59

interesting. interesting to me. Did

8:02

you ever study anything that wasn't interesting

8:04

to you? I mean,

8:06

I studied for school. So I did all of

8:09

my, I think it was partly because of the

8:11

structure, like my parents just really value education. So

8:14

on my own, I never

8:16

study anything that's not interesting to me. But in

8:18

school, I would do it. And it would feel

8:20

like pulling teeth. And I remember getting in arguments

8:22

with my mom who started her career as an

8:25

English teacher. And it's like, I

8:27

love writing. So writing the first draft

8:29

of the piece, amazing. Then when

8:31

I have to edit it, my mom and I

8:34

would get in arguments because it's like, I don't

8:36

want to get into the nitty gritty of the

8:38

grammar, or I don't want to get into the

8:40

nitty gritty of like how I should change something,

8:42

I did it, it's done. So there were things

8:45

where I could just mostly

8:48

get by in school. But then there was

8:50

pieces where it would be really difficult. And

8:53

I guess I just got

8:56

lucky that I, for nature, for

8:58

nurture, didn't have that hard of time

9:00

in school from like a grades perspective.

9:03

What was hard for me now

9:05

that I look back was I

9:07

was always like bored and distracted.

9:09

But I, for

9:13

a lot of reasons, if you're

9:15

listening to this, you can't hear but I'm

9:17

a black woman, I went to school in

9:19

a predominantly white space, I think I felt

9:21

a lot of responsibility to you, which was

9:23

a lot of pressure looking back to put

9:25

on myself. But I felt a lot of

9:27

responsibility to represent my race. So I

9:30

would be like fidgeting, but I would fidget my toes

9:32

or something so that you wouldn't see that I was

9:34

doing that. Or I'd look like I was taking notes,

9:36

but I was doodling song lyrics. So

9:38

there is a lot of ways where now

9:41

I would probably call it masking where

9:43

stuff was going on. But because

9:45

I wasn't making outbursts in class

9:47

and because my grades were good, you

9:50

wouldn't think that I had ADHD unless

9:52

you were inside my brain. Yeah. So

9:55

I'm curious about college though. You said that

9:57

that was it the first year that you

10:00

Yeah, how? It kicks my ass. What

10:03

were you studying, first of

10:05

all? Yeah, I

10:08

studied, I went to Vanderbilt, and

10:10

I studied human and organizational development,

10:12

and I double majored in Spanish

10:14

because I needed some extra

10:16

credits. And so I was like, might

10:18

as well double major. And what

10:21

I struggled with, I think, was one,

10:23

creating the structure, where it's

10:25

like, okay, they're just going to give you

10:27

a syllabus, and they may or may not

10:30

remind you when everything's due, so it's on

10:32

you to make sure you're steadily working towards

10:34

those goals. Yeah. It also was

10:36

just, the material was more difficult for me. In

10:39

school, growing up, the material did not

10:42

feel that hard for me most of the time. But

10:44

this was like new concepts. This was the first

10:47

time where I'd be sitting in a class and

10:49

feeling like they're speaking a different

10:51

language, especially math and science

10:53

for me, is just not my jam. And

10:55

I remember being in this calculus class. So

10:57

happy to hear that. It

11:00

was so hard. Yes, calculus

11:02

totally kicked my arse,

11:04

too. Calculus, and

11:06

what's the one, the two that you take? Calculus

11:09

and biochem. Did you

11:11

have to do biochem your first year, too? I

11:14

did not have to do biochem. And I actually

11:16

got smarter because I could have taken calculus past

11:18

fail, but I didn't know that I could have

11:20

done that. So when I did

11:23

take chemistry later, I took it past fail, and

11:25

that worked really well for me. That's

11:27

great. And the thing,

11:29

too, is you're at Vanderbilt, right? So

11:31

not only is everything harder, but the

11:34

students are all at the top of

11:36

their high school classes, right? So

11:38

it's just more competition, frankly.

11:42

Yeah. Did you struggle with

11:44

any of the social stuff? I

11:47

didn't tell you for myself. I

11:49

had really strict parents. And

11:51

like your parents, education was so important. And

11:53

so that was the focus. And

11:56

my dad was a dentist, so I thought,

11:58

well, if he's a dentist, I can be.

12:00

a dentist, having no real interest in anything

12:02

related to science or math, which is why

12:04

it was so

12:06

hard. But then on top of that, all

12:08

of a sudden, I could do all these

12:10

things socially that I hadn't really been allowed

12:12

to do before, and I was literally burning

12:14

both ends. I

12:17

think that for me, more

12:19

of my social struggle is now

12:22

looking back was around like the

12:25

rejection sensitivity things and taking things

12:27

so personally and meeting

12:29

new people and being like, Oh, did I say the wrong

12:31

thing? And now I'm not going to have friends

12:34

or, or those sorts of pieces.

12:36

I did do a lot of

12:38

extracurriculars. So I was

12:41

often like going to this club

12:43

and then trying to do

12:45

this and then trying to do that.

12:47

I'm just not much of a night

12:49

owl, honestly, though. So my issue wasn't

12:51

really staying out late and partying and

12:53

that kind of thing. It was more

12:56

the I'm doing a

12:58

million things at school

13:00

that are official. Plus, I'm going to go down

13:02

a rabbit hole and research something and decide

13:04

I want to start this company and that

13:07

kind of thing. You were

13:09

just like me. So you were very entrepreneurial,

13:11

even at a young age. So in college,

13:14

we had this thing called maybe

13:17

it was called entrepreneurial college, or

13:19

entrepreneurs college and you could apply and

13:22

then you could start a business. Did they have

13:24

anything like that at Vanderbilt? No,

13:27

they didn't. I had a couple of

13:29

things that I kind of did like

13:31

side hustles throughout college, but I don't

13:33

think they had an official program like

13:35

that. There might've been the

13:37

closest thing was one class that I took

13:40

in the business school where well

13:43

Vanderbilt doesn't have an official business school, but

13:45

that's a whole other thing. But in the

13:47

school that does things related to business and

13:51

we got to have an actual client and

13:53

I got to build out a marketing strategy

13:55

for them that they actually use. That's another

13:57

thing I noticed is like I do well

13:59

in school. then I know it's

14:01

actually applied to something. So if we're

14:03

just like sitting and talking about political

14:05

philosophy, I don't care that much. But

14:08

if you're telling me that this business is going to use

14:10

the strategy that I build, that

14:12

gets me so engaged. Totally.

14:14

Totally. I mean, it's our ADHD

14:16

brains, right? It's interest,

14:19

frankly. And then you throw justice sensitivity in

14:21

there too. So we're fighting for something we

14:23

really believe in and the sky's the limit.

14:26

So what made

14:28

you even

14:30

consider getting diagnosed? Because it

14:33

doesn't sound like

14:35

you were really struggling, or maybe you

14:37

were, and I just didn't hear that

14:39

in how you phrased everything so positively.

14:43

I mean, I think that's part of

14:45

why I've had my own imposter syndrome

14:47

around talking about ADHD, because so

14:50

many people that I do know really struggled with

14:52

the school side of it. Mm-hmm.

14:55

But isn't it for me,

14:57

even now, being someone who's self-employed,

14:59

I'm pretty good at putting structure

15:01

in my work. But the

15:03

places where I struggle are keeping my

15:06

house clean, making sure I eat enough

15:08

every day, not thinking

15:10

that everyone hates me, paying attention

15:12

to things that maybe aren't as

15:16

interesting to me. My

15:18

husband is going to talk to me

15:20

sometimes about things that I don't necessarily

15:22

care about. But he's

15:24

my partner, so I need

15:26

to be able to stay engaged in

15:29

that conversation. And frankly, sometimes it's really

15:31

hard. So a lot of the places

15:33

where I struggle is more in the

15:36

personal life, where we're not taught

15:39

to build all of that structure.

15:42

We didn't take a class in school to say,

15:44

here's how you meal prep for a week, or

15:47

here's how you make sure that your condo stays

15:49

clean. And that's where I tend

15:51

to struggle the most. So

15:53

interesting, Carolyn McGuire, who's the social

15:55

skills expert, I think it's her.

15:57

And she uses the term cot versus tot.

16:01

And so for some of the things, you

16:03

know, when you're talking specifically about social skills

16:05

where we just, people just

16:07

either naturally know it, right? It's caught

16:10

versus it's taught,

16:12

you know, why this happens and why you need

16:14

to pause and you need, if someone's,

16:17

you know, talking about themselves and you're

16:19

not interested, you need to pause and

16:21

you need to at least find something

16:23

that you can be interested in what

16:25

they're, you know, what they're saying versus

16:27

then just flipping it around and talking

16:29

about what you're interested in. So

16:31

once you knew it was ADHD

16:34

and you got that diagnosis, what

16:37

changed? Man,

16:40

a lot of things changed. I had

16:42

so much more compassion for myself,

16:46

especially like I have had,

16:49

I mentioned earlier that I had a lot

16:51

of structure in my home. And so like,

16:54

even if I didn't necessarily want to keep my room

16:57

clean, it could only get to a certain

16:59

point. But when you have your own place,

17:01

you can theoretically let your place

17:04

get as messy as possible. And so

17:06

I would have a lot of shame

17:08

or confusion around like, why can I

17:10

perform at such a high level

17:12

in other parts of my life, but doing

17:15

the things that other people seem to

17:17

do with so much ease, like,

17:20

it's such a struggle, like I will

17:22

cheer to myself and I'm like, I didn't

17:24

just put this thing down, I threw it

17:27

away right away, or I put it where

17:29

it goes right away. Like that takes so

17:31

much intention for me. Also things

17:33

like losing stuff all the

17:35

time, like, I had

17:38

an explanation for it. And

17:40

it used to just, I

17:42

think the headline

17:44

is there are so many things that

17:46

I thought were like character deficits that

17:49

now had an explanation. And now

17:51

instead of being like, you are

17:53

bad, you are wrong, I could

17:55

be like, Taylor, your brain just

17:58

works differently. How can you get support? Oh

18:01

my gosh, I love it. So were

18:03

you diagnosed with inattentive or combined

18:05

type? Inattentive.

18:07

Okay, primarily inattentive.

18:10

That's interesting and I guess that would make sense. You

18:13

seem so calm and together

18:15

and I'm sure a

18:18

lot of that, you know, over time it's

18:20

like masking, right? Where what

18:23

people see is so different

18:25

than how you may feel inside at

18:27

times. Yeah, and

18:29

I think and I think that's really it.

18:32

Like you can't see even on video right

18:34

now, but like you're talking and I'm like

18:37

fidgeting with my hands to stay engaged

18:39

or my fidget toy is actually over

18:41

there. But like I coach, I have

18:43

one on one clients and I have

18:45

things that I do to keep myself

18:47

paying attention. So a lot of it

18:49

is it's kind of like a duck.

18:51

I grew up doing ballet and we would talk about

18:54

how you're kind of like a duck. You have like

18:56

so much effort that's going on, but you make it

18:58

look so graceful. And I feel

19:00

like that has been what happened for a lot

19:02

of my life is I would

19:04

do be doing a lot underneath the surface

19:06

to try and keep it together. But

19:09

because I was doing such a good job at trying

19:11

to keep it together, people couldn't see what was

19:13

going on beneath the surface. And that kind

19:15

of gets into some of the

19:17

rejection sensitivity too, because I've noticed

19:19

and this is something I've been

19:21

working through recently is when,

19:24

especially in my personal life, I feel

19:26

like I'm trying so hard to be

19:29

considerate or to keep something in place

19:31

or to keep something else and

19:33

then something goes wrong or something

19:35

isn't perfect, then I can have

19:37

an outsized emotional reaction because it's like,

19:39

but I'm trying so hard and it's

19:42

still not good enough. Yeah.

19:44

So yeah, and people don't see it, right? They

19:47

don't know how much efforting that

19:49

took. We have

19:51

another thing in common, ballet. I

19:55

100% believe that

19:57

ballet literally changed my life. I think

19:59

it's... changed my brain. I

20:02

danced six days a week for almost

20:04

10 years and

20:07

there was something about going to... And I'm

20:09

not even sure I loved ballet to be

20:11

honest. You know, when you're going six days

20:13

a week and I had, you know, tiger

20:15

parents, a Japanese American father

20:17

and a German mother and so it was

20:20

all about, you know, the ballet and

20:22

everything classical, the musical instruments, all of that.

20:24

And I'm not sure that was really

20:26

my thing but I

20:29

really believe that I have such an

20:31

appreciation for ballet now but I really

20:33

believe that ballet made a big difference

20:35

as far as executive functions and just

20:38

burning... I had so much hyperactivity. So

20:41

I would love to talk

20:43

about the reason why we were

20:46

so interested to have you here on the podcast

20:48

and I'd love to start with, you

20:51

know, when I went and did the research on you, Taylor,

20:54

I saw the word self-care come

20:56

up over and over again and I would

20:58

love to know what your definition

21:01

of self-care is.

21:03

Yeah, the definition that I

21:05

use and now that inner workout uses

21:07

is that self-care is listening within and

21:10

responding in the most loving way possible

21:13

and yeah, using

21:15

that definition has completely changed

21:19

my life and perspective on what it

21:21

looks like to care for myself. And

21:24

that makes so much sense because

21:26

we know that the ADHD brain

21:29

positively thrives with positive emotion and

21:31

withers with negative emotion. So I

21:34

love that, you know, most people they use self-care

21:36

and I'm kind of like, you know, they're talking

21:38

about, oh go get a massage. Of course they

21:40

talk about exercise, you know, the typical things but

21:42

it's more kind of this

21:44

pampering kind of feeling versus what

21:46

you're saying is it's really how

21:48

you speak to yourself. Yeah,

21:53

it's the shift from self-care as

21:55

like an item on your to-do

21:57

list as something you buy into

21:59

self-care. is a conversation. So I'm

22:01

checking in with myself, whether that's

22:04

my body or my emotional state,

22:06

and then seeing, okay, what do you need right

22:09

now? And it

22:11

honors you as the expert of your

22:13

own experience. Because I'll say

22:16

another thing that now I wrote the

22:18

book before I was diagnosed with ADHD.

22:20

And now looking back some of the

22:22

things that I said, I'm like, Oh,

22:25

of course I have this perspective. I

22:27

didn't know I was neurodivergent at that

22:29

time. So many things where

22:31

we talk about resting is just

22:33

like, rest is just sitting

22:35

still, rest is just these things. When actually

22:38

some of the times I'm most restful,

22:40

quote unquote, are when I'm

22:42

like painting or doing something

22:44

that is even

22:47

ballet to a certain extent, doing something

22:49

that uses my body

22:51

in a way that's steady enough, that

22:53

then my mind can get to relaxate.

22:55

But if I just try and say

22:57

Taylor Lay still, that

22:59

doesn't feel restful to me, it

23:02

actually feels pretty stressful. Yeah. So

23:04

when you were writing your book,

23:06

you weren't diagnosed. And so the

23:09

advice you give is

23:11

so good for the ADHD brain. But when

23:13

you wrote it, you didn't even realize that

23:15

it was what you had created to work

23:18

with your own brain. Yeah.

23:20

And I realized that over and over

23:22

again, like my portfolio career is a

23:25

coping strategy for my inattentiveness.

23:28

And it's a way to

23:30

help point my attention.

23:32

The way that I approach self

23:34

care is a coping strategy for

23:36

all of the ways that I

23:38

saw society talking about self care

23:40

that weren't making me feel cared

23:42

for. Yeah, it

23:44

was almost like one more thing on

23:46

your list, right? It was stressful and

23:49

anxiety producing. So one of

23:51

the other things that you talk a lot about

23:53

is community care, which I just love. And so

23:55

I want you to talk to us about how

23:58

community care in a interfaces with

24:00

ADHD. Yeah,

24:03

this is such a big one in

24:06

general. If you are listening to this and you

24:08

live in the US, you live in the most

24:11

individualistic society in the world. And

24:13

even if you don't live in the US, you probably live

24:15

in one of the more individualistic

24:17

societies. And what

24:20

that does is it tells us that everything

24:23

is our responsibility. We have

24:25

to handle everything on our own. And when

24:28

your brain works differently and you're constantly living

24:30

in a society that wasn't designed for

24:32

people who think like you, it gets

24:35

really difficult and it gets really demoralizing.

24:38

And even these things that we're

24:40

doing for our self-care can end

24:42

up feeling like

24:45

I don't, almost punitive. Or when we don't do

24:47

it the way that that person over there does

24:49

it, we don't meditate the way that they meditate,

24:52

we don't move our body the way that they

24:54

move it. We feel bad and we feel like

24:56

we're wrong. And so

24:58

community care lets us know that

25:00

actually as humans, we were made

25:03

to exist in community. And

25:05

that is so much more true

25:07

for people who have ADHD, who

25:10

live with ADHD. For

25:12

example, the other day I locked

25:14

myself out of the house. Unfortunately, that

25:17

is a relatively regular thing that

25:19

happens, especially when I like

25:22

walk my dog and then I come back in

25:24

real quick and then I go out to do

25:26

something else. And if I don't in that time

25:28

do my check to make sure I have everything,

25:31

I'll lock myself out. So this happened. Thankfully,

25:34

my friend lives down the street. She

25:37

also has ADHD and we have sets of

25:39

keys to each other's house. So I was

25:41

like, shoot, I'm locked out. Let me call

25:44

Joy. Let me go get my set of

25:46

keys. There was a time

25:48

where I would have felt so ashamed about that.

25:50

And I would have just like stood outside in

25:52

the cold and been like, you should be a

25:54

person who can remember

25:57

their keys or another

25:59

key related. My

26:01

parents know that I'm really good at getting gifts

26:03

for other people, not great at getting gifts for

26:05

myself. They also know I lose stuff a lot.

26:07

So they got me like a variety pack of

26:09

AirTags, so I could put them on my keys

26:11

and I could put them on my wallet in

26:14

all of those places. My

26:16

mom also knows that I do really

26:18

well with body doubling and accountability. So

26:20

she's like, Taylor, do you

26:22

want me to come over sometime this

26:25

month so that we can reorganize one

26:27

of your closets? She loves

26:29

organizing stuff. Going to

26:31

Container Store is like so, so fun for

26:33

her. And she knows that it

26:35

will bother me that that thing isn't

26:37

organized, but I'm going to have really

26:39

trouble motivating myself to do it if

26:41

she isn't there. So those types of

26:43

things are ways that I'm able to

26:46

be supported by the people in my

26:48

community because I'm honest about where I'm

26:50

struggling and where I could use that

26:52

extra help. Yeah,

26:55

so even community, you kind

26:58

of reframed it a little bit. I

27:00

mean, a community, when I think

27:02

of community, I think about a big group

27:04

of people, but you're talking about just how

27:06

you, like even one individual, right, is

27:09

a community. Yeah. If it helps

27:11

you feel better about who

27:13

you are, it's kind of tied back

27:15

into the self-care thing. Well,

27:18

when I say community, I'm thinking of

27:20

who you are in community with. So,

27:23

yeah, we have our

27:25

neighborhood is a community, but there

27:28

are ways that we can practice community care within

27:31

our community. Be a good neighbor, pick up your

27:33

dog's poop or whatever that is. But

27:35

when we're talking about community care and

27:37

support systems, I'm thinking about the people

27:40

that I'm building relationships with, whether those

27:42

are my friends or my partner or

27:44

my parents or people that I pay, my

27:46

therapists. My ADHD coach, whoever that might be.

27:50

And so when we

27:53

are in community with people, when

27:55

we're building that community, there's opportunities

27:57

for us to both give and

27:59

receive care. Yeah,

28:01

okay, that makes total sense. So

28:04

I constantly hear women

28:06

talking about, especially

28:09

ADHD women, about exercise

28:12

and how much they hate exercise.

28:15

But we know that exercise is

28:17

probably one of the best things

28:19

that the ADHD brain can do

28:22

for itself, right? It

28:24

pops our dopamine, it calms our

28:26

nervous system, we're in control of

28:28

it. So where

28:30

do you start if you have

28:32

such a negative attitude and ideas

28:34

and thoughts around exercise? I mean,

28:36

I actually have ADHD

28:39

women who get upset at me. Like

28:42

no, so I stopped using the term exercise.

28:44

I use move your body, you know, whatever

28:46

that means for you. Where do

28:48

you start? What do you suggest? Yeah,

28:51

that's a great question. I think I

28:54

tend to use terms like movement and

28:56

moving your body for those same reasons

28:58

because exercise can bring a lot of

29:01

negative connotations, a lot of shame, a

29:04

lot of I was

29:06

supposed to do this thing in gym class and

29:08

I didn't or whatever it was supposed to be.

29:10

And so I would think back to

29:13

you when you were a

29:15

kid, what type of movement you enjoyed doing. I

29:17

have a friend who has been in like a

29:20

kickball league and it's something that

29:22

she can put down on your on her

29:24

calendar. That's another thing that I would recommend

29:26

to you is look at ways that you

29:28

can build in this kind of goes back

29:30

to that community care. But how can you

29:32

build and support and accountability once you find

29:34

out what is fun for you?

29:37

And if fun feels like too high a

29:39

bar, what is tolerable for you? Like,

29:41

could you go on a

29:43

walk with one of your friends

29:46

and talk about the episode of Real

29:48

Housewives or whatever it is that you like to

29:50

do? And you know, like

29:52

Tuesday evenings, we go on our walk and

29:54

we talk about Real Housewives. For

29:57

me, something that's been really good. I actually just

29:59

started doing ballet. again last year, and

30:01

I realized that part

30:03

of why I'm able to be so structured at

30:06

work is because I live and die by my

30:08

calendar. And I have a great virtual assistant who

30:10

supports me and all of those things. I

30:13

wasn't living and dying by my calendar in my

30:15

personal life. And so I started thinking, how can

30:17

I put more movement and fun on my calendar?

30:19

So now I have ballet class

30:21

Tuesday nights, modern class Saturday

30:24

afternoon. And those are things like

30:26

once it's there, I will show up. I feel

30:28

a sense of accountability. Yeah. I

30:31

was actually just thinking about that today.

30:33

I have not been part of

30:35

a structured dance class. And I

30:37

don't even, I can't even remember. And

30:40

I just texted someone and said, is there anything

30:42

around here like jazz? Because

30:44

I had forgotten about

30:47

how good it feels to, I don't know why,

30:50

but I love to like learn like steps and

30:52

you know, and then you can do it all

30:54

with the, you know, it feels like you're on

30:56

Broadway for like, you know, an hour. Um,

31:01

so is there

31:03

anything else that

31:05

you can recommend in that regard? So

31:07

there was a woman in our big

31:09

Facebook group like yesterday, I

31:11

think. And she posted that she

31:14

really struggles with her weight

31:17

and she has tried for decades

31:19

to lose weight and has not

31:21

been successful. And

31:24

what really helped her was to

31:26

stop thinking about you have to

31:29

lose weight. You weigh too much.

31:31

You don't feel good, blah, blah,

31:33

blah. And really focus on how

31:37

she feels when she's doing

31:39

certain things that maybe

31:42

before were called exercise, but

31:44

now she's kind of reframed

31:46

them and is doing things

31:48

that really are

31:50

moving her body. What am I, I'm just going

31:52

on and on here really are moving her body,

31:54

but it doesn't feel like it

31:56

used to feel, you know, saying I need

31:58

to exercise. And maybe she. I think

32:00

she's doing different things too. Yeah,

32:03

well, I think there's something

32:05

important there, which is she

32:08

found something that connected with her

32:10

motivation and her interest. So

32:13

that's why I was saying like if you have

32:15

to have it stack and it's like I walk

32:17

and I talk about the Real Housewives or something

32:20

else, but you got to find what is it

32:22

that is interesting to you. And another

32:25

thing that I've seen work well for people

32:27

is if you have a show that you

32:29

like to watch or podcasts that you like

32:32

to listen, you only do that while you're

32:34

doing the form of movement

32:36

that is tolerable for you. So

32:39

that can work really well. The

32:41

other thing that I see really limit people is thinking

32:44

like, okay, I just saw this person online

32:47

and they ran an ultra marathon. So unless

32:49

I'm training for an ultra marathon, then I'm

32:51

not doing it right. You

32:53

need to meet yourself where you are. So

32:56

if you have not moved your body

32:58

in any structured way other than like

33:00

walking to and from your car, then

33:03

you're not going to start by training for an

33:05

ultra marathon. You're going to start with

33:07

five minutes or you're going to

33:09

start with stretching before bed. I'm a big

33:11

fan of finding

33:14

something to start with that is accessible

33:16

and sustainable and then building from there.

33:18

And you and I right now are

33:20

recording this in January, which is such

33:22

a time where people, especially people who

33:25

live with ADHD, we

33:27

can be like, I'm going to be a different person now.

33:30

I'm going to do all of these

33:32

things and change. And then we overwhelm

33:34

ourselves and then we go back and

33:37

then we go back to what is comfortable. And

33:40

so I would really

33:42

challenge folks to try and start small

33:44

to see like and make it a

33:46

challenge, make it fun. Can I do

33:49

this for five days in a row,

33:51

stretch before bed? How

33:53

much stretching can I do in five minutes?

33:55

Make it more fun and playful for yourself.

33:58

Yeah, and the thing about it it is. If

34:02

you make that commitment to yourself, you've

34:04

got intention behind it, right? And

34:07

you've also built an identity. I am the

34:09

kind of person who stretches for five minutes

34:11

before I go to bed because

34:14

it's something that's really important to you.

34:17

After five days, what you're

34:19

proving to yourself is that you can

34:21

rely on yourself. And I

34:23

think that what a lot of ADHD women

34:25

do is they stop trusting

34:27

themselves because for years,

34:29

sometimes for decades, they've been told that

34:32

their way is the wrong way. And

34:35

so the way to flip that script for

34:37

themselves is to do something really small, like

34:39

stretching for five minutes before bed because they

34:41

want to do it, not because someone else

34:44

wants to do it or is telling them

34:46

they should do it. Absolutely.

34:49

And just to underscore that shift

34:51

that you just made, part

34:54

of why I don't like using the term

34:56

exercise is one, it's really steeped in

34:58

diet culture, but it's also really steeped in

35:00

a lot of shoulds. This is how

35:02

you should exercise for this amount of time.

35:05

And it only counts as exercise if it's

35:07

this. But if you're talking about

35:09

moving your body, you're the only person who

35:11

knows what feels good in your body. So

35:14

it puts you back in this role of

35:16

expert, and you get to explore what does

35:18

feel good in your body. That's another

35:20

shift that I've done with myself sometimes

35:22

is instead of starting

35:24

with a goal in the traditional

35:27

sense, I'll ask a question. And

35:29

so I'll set a goal for over the course

35:32

of a month, I

35:34

want to figure out five things that

35:36

feel good in my body, or

35:38

I want to have an understanding of what type

35:40

of movement feels good in my body. And in

35:42

order to answer that question, I have to take

35:45

action. I can't watch a YouTube video that tells

35:47

me what feels good in my body. I have

35:50

to experiment to figure it out

35:52

for myself. Yeah, absolutely. So it's what

35:55

you just said, it's always about action, right?

35:57

We think in our head that we know

36:00

Oh, this is what we should should do.

36:03

This is what we shouldn't do. But

36:06

until we actually do it, we don't know.

36:08

And you may think you

36:10

hate exercise and that whole term,

36:12

but then like you said, you go to

36:15

a dance class and you're like, oh my

36:17

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36:19

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36:22

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I wanna know, what does inner workout do?

39:12

Like, why did you start it? How do

39:14

you work with people? Like, tell me all

39:17

the stuff. Absolutely,

39:19

so I founded an

39:21

inner workout in 2019 after

39:24

experiencing a lot of burnout. Again, that's

39:26

another thing where I look back and

39:28

I'm like, oh, I was doing all

39:30

these things to give myself dopamine and

39:32

to stay interested and overwhelmed

39:35

myself. And so I started

39:37

practicing self-care the way that I talk about it

39:39

now is listening within and responding in the most

39:41

letting way possible. And I

39:44

realized, kind of referring back to

39:46

what you talked about, about things being taught or

39:48

caught, we aren't really taught

39:50

to practice self-care. We aren't really taught

39:52

how to listen to ourselves. And

39:55

I wanted to create a company that

39:57

helps people do that. So

39:59

the main thing, way that we

40:01

do that right now. It's evolved a

40:03

lot over the years as you might

40:05

guess as a company runs by someone

40:07

with ADHD. We're in the

40:09

process of launching an inner workout app

40:11

that has two main goals to help

40:14

people find time for

40:16

self-care by blocking yourself out of

40:18

distracting apps because we

40:21

can definitely go down rabbit holes especially where

40:23

we're getting those little dopamine hits of oh there's

40:25

another new video. And then the

40:27

other thing is to help people practice self-care

40:29

with the time that they have. So we

40:31

have meditations, we have mini courses, all that

40:33

can be completed in 10 minutes

40:36

or less which is really great

40:38

for folks with ADHD who I know

40:41

for me I don't actually always want

40:43

to spend 20 minutes doing something and

40:45

I will rather I would

40:47

rather not do it than do 20 minutes

40:50

and so this meets people where they are.

40:52

Outside of the app we have the inner

40:54

workout book, we have the inter warm-up podcast

40:56

and we have the self-care Sundays newsletter and

40:59

it's all just really trying to create things

41:01

that talk about self-care, talk about

41:03

you doing your inner work and give

41:05

you really practical tools to apply it

41:07

in your life. So do you

41:10

also do coaching? Do

41:12

you have group programs? Do you do

41:15

anything like that? I

41:17

have a one-on-one coaching practice where I work

41:19

with people and then

41:22

with inner workout we have we call

41:24

them shift sessions which are these 60

41:26

minute sessions where we drill into one

41:28

thing that you can do that will

41:30

make it a ripple effect in your

41:33

well-being. So longer

41:35

term coaching I do in my private practice

41:37

and these one-on-one sessions we do

41:39

with inner workout as shift sessions.

41:42

Okay so the shift sessions are not,

41:44

is it with a community or are

41:46

those also one-to-one? It's

41:48

one-on-one yeah okay okay so you've

41:50

got the app, the podcast, the

41:52

book and then two different types

41:55

of coaching. Yep and

41:57

the app is currently available. The

42:00

app is launching in February. Oh my gosh.

42:03

Is that just so much work to

42:05

get an app? How long have you been working on this?

42:09

It's been since

42:12

end of June. So it's been a

42:14

good six, seven months. It's

42:16

a lot of work. It's such a

42:19

labor of love though. Also, even before

42:21

I started in our workout, I've been

42:23

talking about self-care and doing these things.

42:25

So it's really nice to conceptualize

42:28

these tools in a way that

42:30

people can actually use them. Because

42:32

I know I'm not the only

42:34

one listeners can probably relate to.

42:37

You hear something on a podcast and you're like,

42:39

oh yeah, it's so good. I'm totally going to

42:41

apply it. Then you just don't because there's no

42:43

way to integrate it in your life. So you

42:45

forget that really fun. Yeah, exactly. It was something

42:47

you even wanted to do. Just

42:50

the forgetting lately. I take photos of

42:53

everything on my phone. Then

42:55

I'll send those photos to

42:57

my, I'll text myself. Then

43:00

I always think, oh, then I'll have time to go back.

43:04

Usually I don't, but every once in a while

43:06

I'm like, oh my gosh, I forgot that. So

43:08

then I send myself an email because

43:10

how did I forget it? So

43:13

do you have a date

43:15

that you're launching in February? Because this

43:18

podcast will air in February. So

43:20

I would love to be able to send people there.

43:23

Do you know when you're going to launch in February? The

43:26

plan is on Sunday, February 11th, barring

43:29

any crazy technical difficulties.

43:31

Okay, so definitely by the

43:34

time you hear this podcast, the

43:36

app will have launched, fingers crossed.

43:39

What will the app be called? In a

43:41

workout as well? Yeah.

43:44

You're so smart. Keep it all

43:46

the streamline everything. Wonderful.

43:48

Okay. So Taylor, what is it about

43:50

you and your ADHD that makes you

43:53

so good at what you do? Because

43:55

I can tell you are good at

43:57

what you do just by talking to

43:59

you. you. I

44:02

think two main things. So one

44:04

is that I feel like

44:07

when I get interested in something, I

44:09

really get interested and I make all

44:11

of these connections that people aren't necessarily

44:13

making. So that

44:15

makes me really good at what I

44:17

do because I might talk about something

44:19

you've heard a million times, but we're

44:22

going to add a different metaphor or

44:24

layer something else on top. The other

44:26

thing is that I genuinely

44:28

am not naturally good at self-care. And

44:31

sometimes when you are so good

44:33

at something, you make tools that

44:35

aren't actually helpful to people because

44:37

it just comes naturally to you.

44:39

But I've been through the trenches.

44:42

I am in the trenches. And

44:44

so I feel like I'm making

44:47

something for the everyday

44:50

person, not for the person who can

44:53

meditate on a mountain for three hours

44:55

every day. Yeah, totally. Okay,

44:57

wait. Before we have to talk about meditation,

44:59

I have always

45:01

struggled with meditation, which

45:04

is frankly why I love camping so much

45:06

because I get to move and tap on

45:08

my body instead of, you know, focus

45:10

on the doorknob, focus on the doorknob. That's what

45:12

I tell myself when I'm trying to meditate because

45:15

I need to focus on something. So

45:17

I'd look for you to talk

45:19

about that as far as meditation and the

45:21

ADHD brain and what you think about all

45:23

of it. Yeah,

45:25

so where I've landed

45:27

on it personally, and people can choose

45:30

whether or not this resonates with

45:32

them, is I really like mindfulness

45:34

practices. And there are

45:37

mindfulness meditations, but I will

45:39

find often that it's more

45:42

useful for me to do

45:44

something like wash

45:47

dishes and not have anything else

45:49

on in the background and just

45:51

be noticing the sensations of the

45:53

water on my hands, etc. Or

45:56

I'll even have moments where like my

45:58

dog's food spilled. So instead of

46:00

rushing through it, I just make it a

46:02

mindfulness practice and I'm looking at, okay,

46:06

I never pay that much attention to

46:08

dog food. They're all shaped slightly different.

46:10

It smells kind of weird. How does

46:12

it feel in my hands? So those

46:14

are the types of practices that I

46:16

find myself more drawn to and

46:19

or practices that pair

46:21

similar to tapping, but it could

46:23

be a yoga practice. It could

46:25

be Pilates, anything with a mind-body

46:27

connection. I

46:31

can do more traditional

46:33

meditations, but I

46:35

find myself being more

46:37

focused on, can I get to 10 minutes? Can

46:39

I get to 15 minutes than

46:41

actually being focused on the practice? That

46:44

is so interesting because of that drivenness

46:46

that you have in

46:49

achievement and goal setting. And

46:52

I think a lot of ADHD women probably

46:54

will say, well, I set

46:57

goals and I can never achieve them.

46:59

So what's the deal with these women

47:01

who are constantly setting goals and achieving

47:04

them? For me, I think

47:06

it's hyperactivity. So as much as you say

47:08

you're in a tenant, drivenness

47:10

is a form of hyperactivity. And

47:12

so I think that that's

47:15

another way that hyperactivity comes out that

47:17

we don't really, certainly for women, like

47:19

we just, we don't really know what

47:21

it looks like in women. Yeah,

47:24

and I think I would also say too, it

47:27

goes back to like what you can see versus

47:29

what you can't see. So like you

47:31

can hear my bio and you can see all

47:33

of these things. If I turned my camera, you

47:35

would see that like there's stuff

47:37

all over because my husband and I

47:40

have been reorganizing multiple closets, but then

47:42

we kind of got distracted. So

47:45

there are things all over the place, but

47:47

like I'm not necessarily gonna post that on

47:50

Instagram. And so it seems like

47:52

I'm hitting a lot of goals, but there

47:54

are probably things that you do really well

47:56

in your daily life that I am

47:58

like, yes, I did. that today and

48:01

it was an achievement that I

48:03

did it that day. What's that

48:05

consistent inconsistency, right? We're so brilliant

48:07

at certain things that we're really interested in and

48:10

the other things like we could care less and

48:12

it doesn't matter if the whole world thinks this

48:14

is really important to do. It's like just not

48:16

our thing. I love that. So

48:19

what do you think the key to

48:21

living successfully with ADHD is? This

48:26

is such a good question. I think

48:29

the key is being really honest with

48:31

yourself. One

48:33

of the big things that ADHD gave

48:35

me is just a level of honesty

48:38

that this is something I struggle with.

48:40

This is something I probably will always struggle

48:43

with. So instead of thinking

48:45

that tomorrow I can wake up and be a different

48:47

person who never forgets their keys, I

48:50

need strategies for when I do forget my

48:52

keys. Yes, I do have strategies to help

48:54

me not forget them like doing checks at

48:56

the door but sometimes I'll forget to do

48:58

the checks at the door. So then what

49:00

do I do? But if I was in

49:02

denial about the fact that this was something

49:04

I actually struggled with, I wouldn't actually be

49:06

able to get to solutions. So just be

49:08

really honest with yourself. And one

49:11

last thing I'll add with the

49:13

honesty, that also means being honest about

49:15

what your gifts are. Yes,

49:19

give me a number one ADHD

49:21

workaround. For

49:24

me it is any type

49:27

of accountability. So either body doubling,

49:29

I do a lot of my

49:31

work via body doubling, or

49:35

putting something on the calendar. I am

49:38

very extrinsically motivated. So for example,

49:41

if I have a friend over, I will

49:43

make sure the house is clean because I

49:46

want them to have a good experience being

49:48

in my home more so than I care

49:50

about me having a good experience in my

49:52

home. So body doubling and accountability in your

49:54

personal and professional life. I love it. So

49:56

you are the part, as I'm sitting here

49:58

listening to you talk, you

50:01

are the perfect person to

50:03

seek out if

50:05

you are that woman that

50:07

wants to change

50:10

up some things as far

50:12

as movement and I'm going

50:14

to use the term self-care now, community care,

50:16

all of that in

50:19

2024 but you

50:22

have really struggled with this

50:24

idea of exercise and

50:26

it like that's just

50:29

not who you are and you've never succeeded

50:31

there. You are the perfect person to start

50:33

with because you're going to

50:36

teach that woman how

50:38

to do this for themselves in a way

50:40

that works and makes them feel better and

50:42

makes them have more positive emotion and so

50:44

they can actually be successful at it. Did

50:47

I get that right? That's

50:49

my goal and I'll say like

50:51

the inner workout is a

50:54

little tongue-in-cheek like I do have

50:56

movement training I'm trained in yoga

50:58

and all of that but I

51:00

really am looking holistically at people's

51:02

well-being and personal development but yeah

51:04

I just don't believe in being

51:07

overly prescriptive. The thing that works

51:09

for you is going to be

51:11

the thing that works for you.

51:13

You're one-of-one and honestly

51:15

sometimes my clients are a little

51:17

bit annoyed at first because

51:19

they're like Taylor just give me all the

51:22

answers but then when they work

51:24

with me to figure out something that works

51:26

for them whether it is in their career

51:29

or in how they move their body or

51:31

in how they structure their business all of

51:33

these different things they're like oh yeah you're

51:35

right that me doing it

51:37

for myself gave me something that I

51:39

wouldn't get if you just gave me

51:41

the A through Z map to follow.

51:43

Because you couldn't do that because they're

51:45

the expert on them. Exactly.

51:48

Okay so now I'm getting it

51:50

you are perfect for the person

51:53

that wants to accomplish anything or

51:55

do accomplish something or

51:57

do something differently in their life.

52:00

so they can feel better regardless of

52:02

what that is and feel

52:04

more like themselves. Yeah,

52:06

you will help them get there. I think

52:09

that's 100 percent it. Okay, I am slowly

52:11

getting it. Taylor, it was

52:13

such a pleasure to speak

52:15

with you. Tell us what,

52:17

I know you're working on the app, but are you

52:19

working on something else that you want to tell us

52:21

about in closing that we haven't covered

52:23

yet? Yeah, my favorite

52:26

place to tell people to stir

52:28

is we have this free assessment

52:30

called the Take Care Assessment. It's

52:32

a 75-question assessment that measures you

52:34

across inter-workout five dimensions of well-being,

52:36

and then it spits out the

52:38

SPEND PDF report that gives

52:40

you different practices that you can try.

52:43

So if you're looking for something specifically

52:45

where you're like, I'm struggling with self-care,

52:47

I don't know exactly where to start,

52:49

take the assessment, look at your results,

52:51

you'll get those three practices, and then

52:53

there you go. You've got three things

52:55

that you can try that are exactly what you

52:58

can use right now. Where do they go for

53:00

that? If you

53:02

go to the inter-workout website, it will be

53:04

right there on the home page. Of course

53:06

it will be. And that's inter-workout.co. Okay,

53:10

inter-workout.co. And if

53:12

they go there, right on the home page,

53:14

right there, they will find that questionnaire. Yep.

53:18

Wonderful. So thank

53:20

you, thank you, Taylor. It was such a pleasure

53:22

to meet you. Thank you

53:24

for having me. This was such a fun conversation.

53:27

Thanks for all the good questions. It

53:29

really was. Thank you, Taylor.

53:31

So that's what I have for you

53:34

for this week. If you like this

53:36

episode with Taylor, please let us know

53:38

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53:40

know our goal, is to change the

53:42

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53:44

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53:46

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53:48

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53:51

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53:53

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53:55

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