0:01

I think we shame ourselves way too

0:03

much about the simple things in life.

0:06

About sleep, about eating, about taking

0:08

naps, about drinking water, about having

0:11

air outside, about

0:14

doing things that work for

0:16

kids. Yeah. And

0:18

for us, why do you think they work for children?

0:20

Why do you think they work for babies? Right? Like,

0:23

what makes us so special? Why can't we use

0:25

them too? Keep it simple. And

0:27

then you can add all of the cool, sparkly

0:29

things if it works for you. Richard

0:38

Branson. Michael Phelps.

0:40

Justin Timberlake. James

0:43

Carville. Wait a minute. Where

0:46

are the women? Greta

0:50

Gerwig. Lisa Ling. Audra

0:53

McDonald. Simone Biles.

0:56

That sounds like a list of highly

0:58

successful titans in a variety of

1:00

industries. They all have ADHD,

1:02

but you don't hear much about that now,

1:05

do you? You know what else you

1:07

don't hear about? Are the 43% of

1:09

people with ADHD who are

1:12

in excellent mental health. Why

1:14

aren't we talking about them and what they're

1:16

doing right? I'm your

1:18

host, Tracy Atsuka, and that's exactly what

1:20

we do here. I'm a lawyer, not

1:23

a doctor, a lifelong student, and now

1:25

the author of my new book, ADHD

1:27

for Smart Ass Women.

1:30

I'm also a certified ADHD

1:32

coach, and the creator of

1:34

Your ADHD Brain is A-O-K,

1:36

a patented system that helps

1:38

ADHD women just like you

1:40

get unstuck and fall in

1:42

love with their brilliant brains.

1:45

Here, we embrace our too muchness

1:47

and we focus on our strengths.

1:49

My guests and I credit our

1:51

ADHD for some of our greatest

1:53

gifts. And to

1:55

those who still think they're too much,

1:58

too impulsive, too scattered, too disordered.

2:00

I say no one

2:02

ever made a difference by being too

2:04

little. Hello

2:10

hello hello. I

2:12

am your host Tracy Atsuka. Thank you

2:15

so much for joining me here for

2:17

ADHD for Smartass Women.

2:20

Before we start, I just want to remind

2:23

you that you may find my new book

2:25

with Harper Collins William Morrow, also

2:27

called ADHD for Smartass Women wherever

2:29

you buy your books. It's

2:32

a compilation of all of our

2:34

learnings here on this podcast. If

2:36

you'd like more information, go to

2:38

adhdforsmartwomen.com. So now, on

2:40

to the podcast. We've had so

2:43

many tech challenges. It has been laughable.

2:46

But we're here. So you know that

2:49

my purpose is always to show you

2:51

who you are and then inspire you

2:53

to be it in the

2:55

thousands of ADHD women that I've had

2:57

the privilege of meeting. I've never met

2:59

a one, not one, that wasn't truly

3:01

brilliant at something. So

3:03

of course, that means that I'm just

3:05

delighted to introduce you to Bruce.

3:10

That's my dad's name actually. That's

3:13

funny. From

3:15

Brooke Schnettman. Bruce,

3:17

that would be a different one. Brooke

3:19

Schnettman is an expert in the

3:22

field of ADHD management and support.

3:24

She earned her bachelor's in elementary

3:26

education from Penn State University and

3:29

her master's degree from NYU, where

3:31

she specializes or where she specialized

3:33

in students with disabilities. Brooke is

3:36

now the founder of Coaching with

3:38

Brooke, where she and her eight

3:40

coaches offer 20 years

3:42

of expertise. Well, it would be more than that

3:44

because Brooke's expertise is 20 years. An

3:48

ADHD and executive function coaching,

3:50

transforming chaos and frustration into

3:52

folks' success for thousands is

3:54

her jam. She's been

3:56

featured in prominent media outlets, including

3:59

Forbes' Entrepreneur, magazine CBS

4:01

and so on and so on

4:03

and now she's written a book

4:06

that she's going to tell

4:08

us all about called activate

4:10

your ADHD potential. Brooke welcome

4:12

did I finally get all

4:14

of that right? Oh

4:17

yeah girl. We are

4:19

going to do this.

4:23

We only tried exactly

4:25

two ADHD amazing

4:28

brains trying to do this without

4:30

our assistants figuring it out. It's

4:32

a true test of our patients

4:35

but it's so much fun. Here

4:37

we are. It

4:39

is. So where I always start

4:41

I don't care who you are is I want

4:44

to know we want to know

4:46

about your ADHD diagnosis first. Can you

4:49

tell us a little story? Yeah

4:51

sure. So it's not

4:54

your typical ADHD diagnosis in the fact

4:56

that like I knew all about ADHD

4:58

before I got diagnosed right? I was

5:00

a late diagnosed ADHD here so that

5:02

I guess now more typical for women

5:05

with ADHD as you know you

5:07

too and it

5:09

wasn't until like 15 years

5:11

in of working with people

5:13

with ADHD that when I

5:17

started coaching with Brooke in 2018 I went virtual in 2019 and

5:23

I started specializing personally in

5:25

adults with ADHD and

5:28

that's when I saw myself

5:30

in them. I didn't see myself in

5:33

the students that I worked with. I didn't

5:35

see myself in the adults when I was

5:37

working in person with them. It

5:39

was online. I

5:41

started realizing that I couldn't focus

5:45

on my sessions and then

5:47

move to the notes taking

5:49

part of coaching and

5:51

then come back to the focus part

5:54

and go back to the note-taking so

5:56

that's when it started to click and

5:58

then my whole life came. in

6:00

front of me and I was like, oh, wait

6:02

a second. This makes sense.

6:06

Why was I working with people with ADHD?

6:08

Why did I have the interest in studying

6:10

in it? Why did I start an

6:13

ADHD coaching company and not

6:15

know I had ADHD at

6:17

the time? Oh,

6:19

because I have it. So in

6:22

2019, I was diagnosed and I started medication

6:24

right away. And the reason why I did

6:26

that was

6:31

because I already had a lot of

6:33

the strategies for working with my brain,

6:36

right? I've compensated for so

6:38

long. I've coached and taught

6:40

people and I've worked

6:43

with it, right? So I

6:45

was like, what else is

6:47

left there? Yeah, it's

6:49

already coming clear right now.

6:51

Nothing. Nothing's coming clear.

6:54

Nothing firing, right? Not our work,

6:56

not our brain. You know, I

6:58

think that might

7:03

be the craziest ADHD story

7:05

I've heard because, you know,

7:07

I've talked to psychiatrists and

7:09

you know, psychologists and therapists

7:11

who didn't know

7:13

they had ADHD, but they

7:15

weren't 100%

7:17

exclusively focused on ADHD. And

7:19

what's interesting about your story

7:22

is it was because you

7:24

just didn't see yourself in those

7:27

kids symptoms. Correct. Correct.

7:31

I get it all. Yeah.

7:34

And that's probably why you were really good at what

7:36

you were doing. Maybe.

7:42

But it also makes sense that you

7:44

had such an interest in ADHD, right? 100%.

7:47

Because you had ADHD, but

7:53

you didn't know it. Correct. When

7:55

I graduated from undergrad, There

7:57

was one class on special education.

8:00

In my general education

8:02

for years as. Teaching

8:05

and learning about that so

8:07

effect on this sounds interesting.

8:09

So that's why I decided

8:11

to go and since his

8:13

disability his masters immediately. And.

8:15

Then I was student teaching in

8:18

a school that specializes in learning

8:20

disabilities and eighty see. And

8:22

I continued to does gravity and I

8:25

did seslj kiss him. But who is

8:27

like more high functioning right? A D

8:29

C learning So it's anxiety with always

8:31

that for so long and that was

8:34

my real focus right? And

8:36

then yes, it must have

8:38

been this. Sub

8:40

conscious message. That. Said

8:42

oh any to date men who have each

8:44

see I need to work with students surveyed

8:46

easy. Oh my step kids isn't as easy.

8:48

My husband's gonna have a D C and

8:51

guess my two year old get an exhibit

8:53

symptoms of a D C N my that's

8:55

friends are going have it easy to. Sit

8:59

still the and that's probably why

9:01

your life has worked so well.

9:03

right? Because you are. rallies. You're.

9:06

In an environment where there are people just like

9:08

you. A hundred for them

9:10

sets you for who you are because

9:12

you accept them for who they are.

9:15

I'm curious. how did you do

9:17

in school? When. I

9:20

came from a family that agitators

9:22

so you know what happens that

9:25

that my dad owned a private

9:27

school my mom with math teacher

9:29

so hard work and discipline ways

9:31

to scanner like what I did

9:33

and. I. Remember that.

9:36

In. mass i was that doing well in

9:38

math beliefs are not even though is one

9:40

of my favorite subjects arm once i was

9:42

in high schools and health my mom is

9:44

like you have to be an accelerated math

9:47

and like okay i'm going to be in

9:49

it and i remember the teacher the having

9:51

a side conversation or the man says like

9:53

are you sure you wanna be an honors

9:55

because it was a choice rate is in

9:58

have to be recommended it were ag came

10:00

from. And I'm like,

10:02

yeah, she goes, all right. So

10:04

I did. And then eventually, of

10:07

course, I didn't do that well.

10:09

So I went back down to

10:11

general. But my interest in

10:14

school was really science, art.

10:18

I did enjoy math when

10:20

it came to figuring things

10:22

out and not having to

10:24

memorize formulas. My

10:26

working memory was not good. And it's

10:28

still not good. And when

10:31

I was younger, I was diagnosed

10:33

with an auditory processing disorder. Oh,

10:37

go figure. Yeah. Right. And

10:40

so everything was because of auditory

10:42

processing. Then writing, right? No, there

10:44

was no such thing as ADHD.

10:48

So I wasn't like a B student,

10:50

I would say, a B student.

10:52

But my parents

10:54

didn't really expose me

10:57

to, for right or

10:59

wrong, the differences in

11:01

my brain. It was always like, okay,

11:03

she's going to get the extra help

11:05

outside of school. And she's going to

11:07

be pushed and be in these classes.

11:10

And, you know, there were some

11:13

benefits of that because I always

11:15

thought that I could do better

11:17

than what maybe they were

11:19

told I could do. Right.

11:21

And I pushed myself and I

11:24

was I think I was successful. I worked hard.

11:27

But there were also times where

11:29

I worked all the time. I

11:31

defined myself around workaholism.

11:33

And I didn't know why. And

11:37

now I do. So my

11:39

childhood was different. School

11:41

was okay, as

11:44

far as grades. But I

11:46

was bullied, like from age

11:49

nine to believe it or not, age 35 until

11:52

I received coaching. Okay,

11:54

talk about that. Yeah.

11:57

So I

11:59

was going to privacy. school and my dad's

12:01

private school. So I think that at

12:03

before then I kind of just was

12:05

able to like come up to the

12:08

teacher and ask questions and you

12:10

know it's very different it was a small

12:12

ratio of students to teachers. I

12:15

wasn't really taught how to be

12:18

a student in a public school so

12:20

I go to public school and I'm

12:22

walking up to the teacher's desk instead

12:24

of raising my hand and

12:27

is that because of the private school

12:29

or is it because I had undiagnosed

12:31

ADHD I don't know maybe it was a mix

12:33

of both but then my teacher

12:35

immediately started to not like me and

12:38

it's a fact it wasn't

12:40

a perception and also my

12:43

friends from camp who you

12:46

know were my neighborhood friends the

12:48

reason why I wanted to go to public school were

12:50

not nice to me so all

12:52

of this kind of just snowballed and

12:55

then it defined who I was how

12:57

I acted and it

12:59

just continued to occur for me and

13:02

then you know I had those negative

13:05

trauma responses every time I

13:08

was rejected and there were like real

13:10

rejections and I know this is not the

13:12

purpose of the podcast but I

13:14

had a very hard social

13:17

situation growing up and I

13:19

think I defined myself as you

13:22

know just not a victim

13:24

but as someone who could

13:27

be bullied right and it would

13:29

almost be expected

13:32

you know I find that so

13:35

hard to believe because you come

13:37

across as so strong and

13:39

confident and I mean you were saying up until

13:41

35 this was still going

13:43

on so what was going

13:46

on do you know now what was

13:48

going on with you in that period

13:50

of time that would allow that to

13:52

have happened yeah there are some I've

13:57

been curious mmm-hmm I'm

14:00

curious if you exhibit

14:03

more masculine tendencies

14:06

versus female

14:08

tendencies where you're more reserved,

14:10

you'll kind of try to

14:12

fit in versus are you

14:14

more just like you just say what you think, you

14:16

just do what you think and that was not liked.

14:20

It's very possible. I definitely have

14:22

a lot of masculine

14:24

tendencies. I don't

14:26

know if I always had them but

14:28

I've coped that

14:30

way and yeah,

14:34

I'm not a girly girl. I

14:36

love to dress up. I love to

14:38

put on makeup. I love to have

14:40

jewelry but I don't have

14:42

that feminine. Yeah,

14:45

that femininity. I don't think very

14:47

much. So perhaps that was it.

14:49

Like maybe I was trying to

14:52

fit into a world that I

14:54

don't know. I don't know. It's

14:56

a really good question. So

14:59

at 35, what happened then? Like

15:02

what did you learn that has changed

15:04

everything or is it just that you

15:06

have learned screw that fitting in. I'm

15:08

not even going to try. I am

15:10

meant to stand out and

15:12

if you don't like me, you're my wrong environment.

15:15

Correct. So I came from New York

15:17

and then I moved to Florida at

15:19

age 34. I

15:22

left a toxic boss. I

15:25

left a toxic school

15:27

system and I

15:29

decided I want to start my own

15:31

career in my own job and I

15:34

had no idea. I thought it would

15:36

be like consulting or advocacy or something

15:38

but I didn't know what and

15:40

then someone I met in

15:43

Florida said, okay, because I

15:45

ended up repeating the same patterns. Of course, I

15:47

went to a school. I did the same thing in

15:49

Florida with a toxic boss. Baa baa baa baa baa.

15:52

Someone I met was like, you

15:54

need to join X and I don't feel

15:57

like putting the name out there because I

15:59

don't necessarily. I really recommended to everyone,

16:01

but it did wonders for me. Um,

16:05

it was a coaching program and

16:07

I didn't know it was coaching. He's like, but

16:10

this changed my life. You should try it. It's

16:12

like, okay. So I did. I

16:14

had no idea what I was doing.

16:16

And then I kept doing it for

16:18

a year. And that was when I

16:20

learned my strengths, my weaknesses, my motivation

16:23

to do things. I was actually able

16:25

to execute things in a linear fashion

16:27

with due dates and milestones along the

16:29

way, like big, scary things. And

16:32

that's when I started feeling confident

16:34

in like that group setting with

16:36

coaching and, um, halfway through then.

16:39

No, it's not Tony Robbins. I

16:42

mean, Tony Robinson. What

16:46

does that say? You

16:48

have to tell us what it is.

16:50

Not Anthony Robbins. Who

16:54

is that? What is it? It's landmark. Oh,

16:58

okay. And so, and so what do you

17:00

think about them now? I

17:04

think if you are

17:06

there to truly absorb all the

17:08

information and get out of your comfort

17:10

zone, it's amazing. I

17:12

do. And it's affordable. Um, and

17:15

they have very big groups. I just don't

17:17

like their sales system. That's why

17:20

I said, I usually don't mention them

17:22

because, um, they have a, uh, they

17:25

call the lot and they reach out a

17:27

lot and they ask their students to market

17:29

for them. Um, so that

17:31

just turned me off. But the actual

17:33

content that I learned, if you can

17:35

separate the two was fantastic.

17:38

It was like a Tony

17:40

Robbins as far as the content

17:42

goes. And, um, yeah,

17:45

I honestly believe that when you

17:47

see yourself struggling and you see other

17:49

people are also struggling with the same things

17:52

you are, whether it's ADHD or not, right?

17:55

You're going to finally be like, Oh

17:58

wow, I'm not alone. Right. And. you

18:00

do groups, I do groups, like that is

18:02

so powerful. So that was when

18:04

I got out of my own skin and said,

18:06

I'm not going to take the toxic boss anymore.

18:08

I'm quitting my job. I'm going to be an

18:11

ADHD coach. I don't know why I'm going to

18:13

be an ADHD coach, but I'm going to be

18:15

and I'm going to get all my certifications. And

18:17

then I'm going to become a coach and I'm

18:19

going to start my company overnight, which I did.

18:21

And then

18:23

I'm going to learn six months later that I have ADHD.

18:26

That was my journey. That's why I stopped getting

18:28

bullied. That's

18:31

why you stopped getting because you stopped

18:33

allowing yourself to get bullied, right? You

18:35

realize I'm capable. Exactly.

18:38

I felt confident for the first time.

18:40

I mean, my own choices. I not

18:43

only before that decided to leave a

18:45

situation that wasn't good for

18:47

me, but I also then surrounded myself

18:49

with people that were good for me.

18:52

And it was a transition. It took

18:54

time. There's still, you know, remnants of

18:57

the past that I try to set

18:59

boundaries on. But yes, my whole world

19:01

changed as far as what I was

19:03

attracted to and what I was willing

19:05

to allow into my circle

19:08

of trust. Well,

19:10

and there's also something about, you know, the cobbler's

19:12

kids without shoes, right? You don't want to be

19:14

that. And so I always like

19:16

if I'm not sleeping, like I haven't for

19:18

the last couple months because of this book,

19:21

I really feel like guilty because I'm

19:23

talking about what you just did an

19:26

attitude webinar and you were talked all

19:28

about the benefits of sleep and then

19:30

you're not sleeping. What a frigging hypocrite

19:32

you are. So it, I might fall

19:34

off the wagon, but it totally gets

19:36

me back on, right? Versus before I

19:38

would have been like, sleep, what do

19:41

they know? But you know, once you study

19:43

it, you realize, oh, they actually did know

19:45

something. We need to sleep. So

19:48

I am curious, what

19:50

changed once you were diagnosed? Was it really

19:52

helpful for you to get diagnosed? And it

19:54

sounds like you actually went in there and

19:56

said, by then I have ADHD. Like

19:58

you had figured out how to do it. it out, right?

20:01

And that's why you wanted to

20:03

get diagnosed, to confirm. Yeah,

20:06

so the medication definitely helped me

20:08

be able to do my notes,

20:10

come back to a TASO, the

20:12

shifting attention executive function helps with

20:14

the medication. So that's

20:17

changed, but it's not the be

20:19

all, end all. I think it

20:22

within the last five years of

20:24

having this diagnosis, I'm constantly learning

20:26

more about my ADHD because my

20:28

circumstances have changed. I got

20:30

married, I got substance, I have a two year

20:33

old. So I'm being

20:35

tested constantly with my ADHD

20:37

in situations that I've never

20:40

seen before. So my

20:43

executive functions are being

20:46

put into new situations.

20:48

So I am seeing

20:50

ADHD manifest in new

20:53

variations. So yeah, with a

20:56

two year old, you're not sleeping as well

20:58

as you would like. Is

21:00

there anything you can really do about that?

21:02

Not much, right? When you

21:04

have three children, all with

21:07

different schedules, and they're on travel

21:09

soccer, and then you have a

21:11

husband who also has ADHD, you're

21:13

managing a lot, right? So

21:15

there's just all these new circumstances.

21:17

So I'm learning the short of the

21:19

long is that my

21:22

ADHD is forever changing. And I

21:24

just need to adapt with it.

21:26

And remember my strengths. And

21:28

remember what motivates me and my passions and

21:31

my boundaries. And you said, Okay, you didn't

21:33

sleep for the last few weeks, because of

21:35

your book, I get

21:37

it like, but you have those tools

21:39

that are so foundational, that you know,

21:42

the importance of the why behind it.

21:44

And you go back to it. This

21:48

morning, and I don't mean to

21:50

rant, but this morning. Here

21:54

we go. This

21:57

morning, I felt so off. And

22:00

I'm like, okay, let me think about this.

22:02

What am I not attending to? And I talk about

22:04

this in the book, right? Am

22:07

I sleeping well? Am I eating well? Am

22:09

I drinking well? Am I letting

22:11

things kind of just like slip through

22:14

where I used to set boundaries? And

22:17

what I realized is that I'm

22:19

adding all these new things to

22:21

my business life and also situationally

22:24

to my personal life, right? My

22:26

stepson's going through a hard

22:29

time in school. And

22:32

things are shifting and I'm

22:34

not attending to the

22:36

boundaries that I set in my schedule. And of

22:38

course, you can't always attend to it 100%. But

22:42

I am now saying no. I'm

22:44

looking at my schedule and I'm like, okay, what's my ideal

22:46

schedule? What are my start times, my end times? How much

22:48

time do I want to spend with a one-on-one client? How

22:50

much time do I want to spend in

22:53

helping the larger population?

22:55

How much time do I want to spend helping my

22:57

coaches? How much time do I want to spend here?

23:00

And let's look at

23:02

that again. And now I feel better. I feel

23:04

more in control just by mapping it out and

23:06

having a plan. Getting

23:09

it out of your head where it's just

23:11

spinning. I totally get

23:13

what you're saying. You're not letting it

23:15

control you. You are still

23:17

in control with an understanding

23:19

that, hey, sometimes this just happens given all

23:22

of these new things that are in your

23:24

life that you're having to learn how to

23:26

juggle all at the same

23:28

time. Correct. And

23:31

we're humans, right? And we

23:34

are going to have a system that works for

23:36

us and then it's going to stop working for

23:38

us because we're going to forget about certain things,

23:40

right? You go on vacation. You have

23:42

this thing that happens in your life,

23:45

you know, grief or trauma or whatever,

23:48

circumstances. Sometimes everything just

23:50

gets thrown out the door but you come back

23:52

to what works for you once you're back in

23:55

the head space that you need to be in.

23:58

Yeah. It doesn't become. this,

24:01

God, what would the word be?

24:03

Just this domino of something bad happens

24:05

and then all the chaos that erupts

24:07

from that and then you can't get

24:09

back to anywhere, you know, where you

24:11

were before. Because ultimately, you didn't have

24:14

control over where you were in the

24:16

first place, right? It just happened that

24:18

everything kind of was working

24:20

well then. I love that.

24:22

Okay, so let's talk about

24:24

the book. Okay. What

24:26

made you write it? Well,

24:29

it was on my bucket list. Okay.

24:33

And there

24:35

were so many people who needed

24:39

yours and my help and

24:41

honestly couldn't afford the

24:44

services. Yeah. And they were on

24:46

my social media page and they're like, put

24:48

this in a book. Like, do you have

24:50

actionable steps or like, I want to join

24:52

your 3C activation group, but I can't afford

24:54

it. I'm like, okay, it's time. So

24:58

finally, in January of 2023, wasn't

25:00

that long ago, I said, I am

25:03

putting a goal together that I am going

25:06

to have a book out in three days.

25:09

Wait, what? I mean,

25:12

I'm already doing the calculation. Wait, her book came

25:14

out in October and she started in January. I

25:16

hate her. I hate

25:19

you so much right now. And that's why I didn't

25:21

go with the publisher. Yes, yes.

25:25

Yeah, I tricked my brain. I'm like, okay,

25:27

I am going to because I was thinking

25:29

about doing a book for a very long

25:32

time. But I was like, I need to

25:34

do this. I people need this. I

25:37

tricked my brain. I went on YouTube University

25:39

and I was like, okay, how

25:42

do you write a book? Go.

25:46

That

25:48

challenge. Exactly.

25:52

Exactly. And of course, like the things

25:54

that popped up were like, Oh, write

25:56

a book in three days with AI

25:58

Jasper. Chat GBC. I was like, I'm

26:00

like, okay, I'm going to believe this. So I got

26:04

started, right? And

26:06

then after three days, I knew

26:09

I'm like, this is not how my book

26:11

is going to work. Right? And

26:14

I am going to, but at least

26:16

I got it started. At least I

26:19

initiated and had that activation, which was

26:21

so challenging because I was so attached

26:23

to the outcome. So

26:25

I started writing the book and then I was like, I'm just

26:27

going to go to 10,000 words. So

26:30

I went on Google and I said, okay, how

26:32

do I publish my book without a publisher? What

26:34

do I need to do? What are the steps?

26:36

So I found this thing called readsy,

26:39

R-E-D-S-Y. And then there

26:41

was editors and proofreaders and whatever. So they were

26:43

like, okay, you know, so I

26:45

started with that and I said, no, 10,000 isn't

26:48

enough. So

26:50

then I, of course, went through a

26:53

whole month where I stopped writing because

26:55

I was too attached again. And then

26:57

I came back to it in April

27:00

and I said, I haven't

27:02

even touched my 3C activation process in

27:04

it. I was talking about the ADHD

27:07

disruption cycle of overwhelm, underwhelm

27:09

that we constantly are in

27:11

as ADHD years, sometimes

27:13

multiple times a day. I came

27:16

up with 10 steps that happened

27:18

with this disruption cycle, overwhelm,

27:21

burnout. Then you

27:23

wait a long period of time, but then

27:25

you get bored and underwhelmed. Then you come

27:27

up with a new and exciting idea and

27:29

then you get hyper focused. And then from

27:32

the hyper focus, you burn out again. And

27:34

then from there you have RSD and then

27:36

you compare yourself to others and you feel

27:38

failure. So it's just this never ending spiral.

27:41

And sometimes you're underwhelmed and overwhelmed at the

27:43

same time. So how do you get

27:45

out of that? Right? How

27:48

do you get out of it? And how do

27:50

you avoid the spiral as well? So

27:53

that was my process. I said, okay, of course

27:55

I know the tools. Let me apply them to

27:57

the book. So I took my 12 steps. process,

28:00

3C activation, which after

28:02

reading your book, Tracy, we have

28:04

very similar values and

28:07

ideas on how to live fully

28:09

with ADHD for adults. And

28:11

so the 12 steps is gaining control

28:14

of the chaos of your ADHD brain

28:16

for the first four steps. The next

28:18

four steps is now that you have

28:20

the space to have some

28:23

control of your day and you've attended to your

28:25

needs and you've learned your strengths and your values

28:27

and your motivations and you've evaluated all the areas

28:29

of your life, now let's talk

28:31

about time management strategies because you actually

28:33

have the time to do that and

28:35

the space to do that. So let's

28:37

take a look at your schedule, your

28:39

prioritization, your time blindness, what's stopping

28:42

you. Then we stretch

28:45

the goals. We have the uncomfortable conversations we've been

28:47

avoiding for so long, right, that have been weighing

28:49

on us, but now we feel more confident so

28:51

we can actually have those conversations to get out

28:53

of our own way and be able to

28:56

produce more and be more

28:58

authentically ourselves. How do

29:00

you delegate? How do you

29:03

stretch your goals to another extent by

29:05

using mind maps and map out your

29:07

next 12 weeks? So in

29:10

there, there are strategies of dopamine

29:12

mining and there are strategies of

29:15

attending to your hierarchy of needs,

29:17

but it's guided worksheets in the

29:19

book because it's a workbook book

29:22

and the goal is by the end of those 12 steps,

29:25

then you'll go from chaos to confidence and it

29:27

really is the reader's journey. So you can do

29:29

it in 12 weeks, you could do it in

29:31

12 days, you could do it in 12 years,

29:33

there's no judgment. Let's

29:36

hope you don't do it in 12 years. And

29:40

then there's a bunch of free tools that

29:42

come along with it on the website. So

29:44

lots of downloadables, body-doubling group that

29:46

you can be a part of because accountability

29:48

we know is so huge going through

29:50

these steps as well. So

29:53

you talked about underwhelm and

29:55

overwhelm and how we

29:57

can experience both at the same time.

30:00

time. But then you also talked

30:02

about just avoiding that spiral altogether.

30:04

How do you do that? Okay,

30:09

good question. I

30:12

honestly feel that in order to

30:14

make a change in your life,

30:16

something has to happen, right? So

30:19

if you're coming to read this book, or

30:21

your book, you're likely impacted

30:23

by your ADHD or your

30:26

spouse's ADHD or your

30:28

best friend's ADHD, right? So something

30:30

had to happen where you already

30:33

are overwhelmed and underwhelmed. Okay,

30:36

so I think by going

30:38

through these 12 steps, which

30:40

is similar to what we were talking about before,

30:42

once you have the tools and foundations and you

30:44

see how successful you are with it, and you

30:46

feel so much more in control of your life, that's

30:49

how you avoid it happening again. So using

30:54

the framework and mapping out

30:57

your non-negotiables and really attending

30:59

to your needs and being in

31:02

control of your day by making

31:05

sure that your time is

31:08

based on you and not

31:11

allowing other people to control

31:13

your time. Right? And that

31:15

is tending to your values, your needs,

31:17

your strengths, that intention

31:19

there, that's how you avoid the

31:21

overwhelm and the underwhelm moving forward. So

31:25

if you are underwhelmed, and by underwhelmed,

31:27

I'm assuming we're talking, you're just bored,

31:29

you could care less about that thing.

31:31

But that thing needs to

31:33

get done. What are

31:36

the tools in your toolkit, you talk

31:38

about, you know, you've got your toolkit,

31:41

that you feel help

31:43

you the most in situations like that,

31:45

to like move that thing forward, even

31:47

though, honestly, it's

31:50

not really your intention, but you

31:52

know, your partner would be really happy or

31:54

your child would be really happy. And that means

31:57

something to you. So there's an, there is intention,

31:59

but it's not. your intrinsic

32:01

attention. Correct.

32:05

So I'm glad that you made that distinction because

32:07

you know that eventually you're going to not be

32:09

bored anymore. It's going to happen where

32:11

you come up with that new exciting idea and you're

32:13

going to do something that intrinsically motivates you at the

32:15

time. But extrinsic is

32:17

harder. So the

32:20

tools in the book that help with that is

32:22

piggybacking something on

32:24

the thing that isn't

32:27

intrinsically motivating to you.

32:30

So either on the front end

32:33

or the back end doing something that does

32:35

motivate you, having those rewards, figuring

32:37

out how to monitor your dopamine

32:39

levels because even if

32:41

it's not something that's exciting to

32:43

you, you're still more likely to do

32:46

it if you have more of

32:48

a baseline of dopamine or a higher

32:51

level of dopamine. So doing something like

32:54

working out, doing something like listening

32:56

to music, something like something healthy,

32:58

creating your dopamine for doing

33:00

something that gives you that

33:03

neurotransmitter that's going to help you

33:05

actually do the thing. Having

33:08

accountability, having the intention

33:10

before you go to sleep to do

33:12

the thing, having the reward

33:14

after it, breaking it down into small

33:17

steps, time blocking it,

33:19

having a timer, making

33:21

sure that you're fed first. And what I

33:23

mean is like you actually eat, you are

33:26

drinking water, that you're going outside,

33:30

getting your energy levels up to

33:32

a point where it's a little

33:34

bit easier to do the thing.

33:37

You can also do two things at the

33:39

same time. You can have a secondary focus

33:41

while you're trying to do the thing that

33:43

you aren't as interested in. You can

33:45

also delegate the thing. So lots

33:47

of different things but just like don't

33:50

be so attached to the results and

33:52

make it more simple

33:54

for yourself and for

33:57

the people around you. Hi,

34:01

this is Tracy. I

34:03

wanted to let you know that a free program that

34:05

I'm running in April called 3 days

34:07

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34:10

Look, if you've listened to this

34:12

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34:14

I do not believe in pathologizing

34:16

neurodiversity, and I certainly don't believe

34:18

that the ADHD brain is disordered.

34:21

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34:24

brain that requires its own user's manual

34:26

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34:28

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34:30

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34:35

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34:37

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34:39

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35:02

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35:05

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35:07

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35:09

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35:11

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35:44

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35:48

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35:50

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35:53

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35:59

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36:24

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36:28

just as an aside, if you can't

36:30

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36:32

be replays. So I

36:34

really hope to see you there. Okay,

36:41

so you talked about a dopamine menu

36:43

that's healthy to kind of, I guess,

36:45

kickstart that dopamine to get you going.

36:48

Give us some examples beyond

36:51

exercise, which totally

36:53

works for me, that are healthy that

36:55

actually serve you. Sure.

36:58

Eating every three to four hours,

37:01

having chocolate, having, that's

37:04

healthy and it serves to me, okay?

37:07

Don't judge. We're in a dark chocolate,

37:09

right? Anti-oxidant? Exactly.

37:12

Exactly. Proteins, fats,

37:14

the proper supplements, if you're

37:17

on medication, take the medication.

37:21

If you like cold showers, I

37:23

mean, we know that that increases

37:25

our dopamine tremendously. We're sending to

37:28

music, doing it with someone, making

37:31

a phone call to a friend that

37:33

makes you laugh, that you're excited about.

37:36

The things that you're excited about is

37:38

going to help lift up

37:40

your dopamine. So plan a small

37:42

reward ahead of time of doing

37:45

that thing. So set a

37:47

timer and say, okay, when I'm done with this,

37:49

I am going to be able to eat that

37:52

thing or have a bath or give my

37:54

husband a hug or go and take that

37:56

10 minute one. walk,

38:00

maybe even have a picture of the visual of

38:02

the thing that you're going to be doing

38:04

afterwards so you're actually excited to

38:06

be finished at that timer. At

38:09

nighttime, you can plan a

38:11

trip, you can watch

38:13

something funny, you can... Oh my

38:17

gosh, there's just so many things. In

38:19

the morning, you could have your coffee, you could have

38:21

your stimulants so... And then I'm of course leaving

38:23

out sex but that

38:26

helps too. If you're

38:28

excited about it, when

38:31

isn't that so interesting with

38:33

ADHD? Either it's hyposexuality

38:35

or it's hypersexuality, right? There's nothing

38:37

in the middle because it really

38:39

depends on if you are interested

38:42

or if you're not. Like I

38:44

always make the joke that I'm

38:46

basically a woman

38:49

trapped... No, wait is it? I'm a

38:51

man trapped in an orange body and

38:54

so when all my friends are saying,

38:56

oh, they're poor husbands, blah, blah, blah,

38:58

I'm like, what the hell is wrong

39:00

with you? Your husband's

39:02

probably really happy. Or not

39:06

because they can be different too,

39:08

right? It just depends on the

39:12

compliment but you're absolutely right and

39:14

that makes me laugh because again,

39:17

it is such an indicator of

39:19

interest. It is even

39:21

the exercise piece. I didn't

39:24

realize that if you're not interested

39:26

in your exercise until I listened

39:28

to the Andrew Heberman podcast, you're

39:32

not... Love him, right? He's

39:34

great. If you aren't

39:36

interested in the exercise that you're doing, you're

39:38

not going to get the same levels of

39:40

dopamine. Like duh, so why are we forcing

39:43

ourselves to do exercise that we don't like?

39:45

Like what is that actually doing for us?

39:47

So why don't we make it interesting even

39:49

if it's 10 minutes, right? Like if dancing

39:52

is interesting to you, go do it for

39:54

10 minutes or 5 minutes. Who cares?

39:56

Make it interesting. Something you're excited about.

40:00

stop calling it exercise. I mean I now when

40:02

I say the word exercise I want to pull

40:04

it back because there's such a

40:06

negative connotation for so many people around

40:08

that word. Mm-hmm. Versus move your body

40:11

so you feel good, right? Oh my

40:13

god. What you were saying, 10-minute thing

40:15

and okay ask yourself I'm out in

40:17

nature I just walked a couple laps,

40:19

10 minutes, do I

40:21

feel better than before I walk?

40:24

Oh my gosh yes. You know Seinfeld's

40:27

yeah you remind me of Elaine now

40:30

that yeah thanks. Maybe

40:32

that's why my husband's so attracted to

40:35

her. But literally I was doing like

40:37

the jerky movements the other day. You know like

40:39

the Elaine dance and that brought me so much

40:41

dopamine and released so much stress. I was like

40:43

oh my god I love this I gotta do

40:46

it more. That's

40:49

hilarious. You do. You have and this

40:51

is the biggest compliment you have her

40:53

big mouth so just full of teeth

40:56

and that's hilarious. I would not

40:58

have thought about that. The distinction is

41:00

I have a physically big mouth. I

41:02

don't have a big mouth anymore friends.

41:05

Exactly. Although they say that about women all the

41:07

time right? Yeah exactly. And now

41:10

they realize that. Believe it or not I have

41:12

curly hair but that is has not been seen

41:14

for 15 years. Oh

41:16

you should go with that. You should go

41:18

with that. I tried. I tried to go

41:20

with that and tried some other things and

41:22

I was like well age is like it's

41:24

happening so yeah I'm

41:26

just gonna stay with the straight hair for now. And

41:30

the dye. I don't know anything about

41:32

actually I know something about curly hair

41:34

because my daughter is really has curly

41:37

hair. But my hair is so straight

41:39

that like it doesn't matter what

41:41

product I put in it what I do

41:43

with it you know. And so I'm not

41:45

getting curly hair. I used

41:47

to have. Remember when perms were popular? I

41:50

had one. I mean it would be nice

41:52

if it came back in because then I

41:55

could go natural again. But I do. Straight

41:57

hair is so much easier. Especially with the

41:59

easy. Oh my. gosh, you know, I didn't

42:01

realize for me, it really is an ADHD

42:03

thing. It's not just that, oh, I think

42:05

I look better with straight hair. When

42:07

you have curly hair, and for all the

42:09

curly hair people listening right now, like you

42:12

have to shower, you have to put all

42:14

the products into your hair. And

42:16

it has to be in the morning. Because if you

42:18

do it at night, what happens is, of course, you

42:20

lay on it or you put it up, and then

42:22

you have a ridge in your hair and it's like

42:24

half straight half curly. And then you have to do

42:26

the whole thing again. We know how hard it is

42:28

to take showers sometimes with ADHD and hygiene. And

42:31

literally with straight hair, I just wake

42:34

up. Doesn't matter when I shower.

42:36

My hair is always straight. I

42:38

can put a comb through it and it

42:41

looks fantastic the next day because it's chemically

42:43

straight into curly hair. I have to shower

42:45

every single morning. That is

42:48

so interesting because when I look at

42:50

my daughter, I can't imagine anything simpler.

42:52

She sleeps on a silk pillowcase. You're

42:54

right. She's got all of these products.

42:56

But then once it's done, it literally

42:58

can be done. Like I have to wash

43:00

my hair at least every other day. She

43:02

can literally go for four or five days.

43:05

And she just sprays the stuff and goes

43:07

like this and it's all scrunched and perfect.

43:10

So I guess maybe I was doing it wrong.

43:14

Or maybe your hair is not really curly

43:16

too. Maybe it's just wavy. It's

43:19

wavy curl. We'll go with that.

43:22

Well, I'm always trying to get bigger and

43:24

then everybody else is. We always want what

43:26

we don't have. How about that? Always.

43:29

The grass is always greener. Even if you

43:31

have the best tools, you've read Tracy's book,

43:33

you've read my book, you're super confident. There's

43:35

still a little bit of green grass there.

43:39

Yeah, exactly. Okay. So what

43:41

is one common misconception about

43:44

ADHD and the ADHD brain

43:47

that you aim to debunk by writing

43:49

this book? Yeah.

43:52

So I want to pick a good one, of

43:54

course. Okay. So think about it. That

43:57

you can be successful. And not

44:00

Not just successful, but

44:02

like intrinsically successful. Like

44:05

sometimes people get lucky, of course,

44:08

it happens, and that's extrinsic,

44:11

but that it's

44:14

you that did the work to become successful.

44:17

And that can mean whatever you want it to

44:19

mean. It could be successful in being a great

44:21

mom, being a great

44:23

wife, a great husband, a great

44:25

partner, being great at

44:27

your job, making millions

44:30

of impact to

44:33

millions of people out there, right? Or

44:35

just internally feeling full. We

44:40

can feel good about ourselves.

44:42

We can feel successful. And

44:45

it's so sad when I'm

44:48

sure you feel it too, right?

44:50

When you hear people's stories about

44:52

how they thought there was no

44:54

hope for them, and then they took your program

44:57

or they read your book or whatever, and then

44:59

they came out on the other side and they're

45:01

like, whoa, it's a whole new world out there.

45:03

You can be successful. Just

45:05

find your people, listen

45:08

to your intuition because we usually have really

45:10

good intuition. We just don't listen to it.

45:14

And just take one foot forward when

45:16

things are chaotic and do the work

45:18

with someone you trust and

45:20

you will be successful in

45:22

whichever way, shape or form that is. And

45:24

it doesn't mean that you have to be

45:27

a millionaire. Doesn't mean that you have

45:29

to make hundreds of thousands of dollars. You

45:32

define what successful looks like and

45:34

you can become that. Yeah.

45:37

Yeah. I love it. What

45:40

is it about you and your ADHD

45:42

that makes you good at what you

45:44

do? You

45:50

didn't give me these questions ahead of time, Tracy. Well,

45:53

if Grace would have been involved, you

45:55

would have had them. Ooh,

45:58

it's so good. Okay,

46:02

so okay, I

46:05

should I should say that Grace while

46:07

you're thinking grace is my podcast produced.

46:10

It's not actual great. No,

46:12

no, no. And she is

46:15

the one who coordinates all these interviews, sends

46:17

out the notes, you know, get the bio.

46:19

And Brooke and I decided that we were

46:22

going to do this just among ourselves. And

46:24

it has literally been a shit show. We've

46:26

decided we can't function without help

46:28

when it comes to this kind

46:30

of administrative detail. Yeah.

46:33

Yes. And we'll admit

46:35

it, right? Like lean into our weaknesses and

46:37

yeah, there you go. So

46:39

I should make anything

46:42

related to scheduling period.

46:46

I suck at things related to scheduling when

46:49

there's too many details going back and forth.

46:51

If I can rely on my own scheduling,

46:53

right, and no one else is involved, I'm

46:55

great at it. But

46:58

okay, what helps me in

47:00

being a great ADHD coach and

47:03

helping people with ADHD with my

47:05

own ADHD, I think

47:07

it's persistence and belief. I'm

47:10

persistent in believing that people

47:12

can do way more than

47:14

they think they can. And

47:17

they can activate their ADHD potential legitimately.

47:19

Like I know it's possible. And

47:22

usually they're already doing it in

47:24

some way, shape or form, but

47:26

they're just not recognizing it. So

47:29

like leaning into what is

47:31

working and enhancing that in

47:33

a way that they've never felt

47:35

before. So I think the persistence

47:37

of believing in myself and believing

47:40

in others. And

47:42

I suspect that you've also

47:45

seen so many people through

47:48

your coaching and your

47:50

team's coaching that have changed their lives. And so

47:52

when you see it over and over again, you're

47:54

just so confident. Well, they all did it.

47:57

This person can do it. You can do it, right? And

48:02

I'm also, and this can

48:04

be perceived as negative, but I

48:07

am never satisfied, right, with, you

48:09

know, like the status quo. I'm

48:11

just not. Yes. Right?

48:14

So in some way, shape or form,

48:16

I always have to be learning. I

48:18

always have to be expanding. I always

48:21

have to be researching. And,

48:24

you know, it helps because it

48:27

motivates me. It drives me

48:29

to learn more, all the

48:31

updated ADHD research and all

48:33

like these tools, tips, whatever,

48:35

the neuroscience behind it. And

48:38

then I either apply it on myself or

48:40

I help other people. So that

48:42

helps me too, to just not stay

48:44

stagnant. Yeah. Yeah.

48:47

Okay. Do you see this? These

48:49

books right here? The

48:51

library of those

48:54

books, I have a whole like, they're

48:56

even in the garage, but those books

48:59

right there are just since January. And

49:02

they came about because I was on

49:04

a list with other books

49:06

from Harper Collins. And

49:08

not just that, but most of them. And

49:11

I started, you know, seeing, okay, how are

49:13

they doing? And then I started reading about

49:15

them. And then of course I ordered them.

49:18

So I'm like, oh my gosh. That is

49:20

just from January. That's the list I have

49:22

to get through. And then there

49:24

were some other ones where, you know, my kids would

49:26

mention them or this book

49:28

here. I don't know what it's telling me about.

49:32

I don't know when it was written, but he

49:34

was in a sociology class, Black

49:36

Reconstruction in America. That

49:38

looks like a big book. Oh my

49:40

God. But he was like, this just changed

49:42

everything for me. I'm like, okay. And look

49:44

at the writing. Oh my gosh.

49:47

No. It's like so non

49:49

ADHD. So there's a couple books like

49:51

that in there too. But most of

49:53

them have to do with productivity or

49:55

ADHD or something like that. And so

49:57

I completely get that. Okay. What

50:00

is your number one ADHD work? When

50:03

you are trying to do

50:05

X and you're just kind

50:07

of stuck, what is it that really helps you?

50:09

That you always kind of lean on? I

50:13

step away. Whenever I notice

50:15

that I am getting

50:17

frustrated and I'm stuck, I literally

50:20

take a moment, I attend to my

50:22

needs again, I go back to the

50:24

hierarchy of needs, I put

50:26

it down, I walk away and I

50:29

make sure that I come back to it with a

50:32

fresh head. And then from there, I

50:35

love mind mapping. It

50:38

helps me so much. I've created

50:40

my whole business year after year on mind

50:43

mapping. Really? So

50:45

which mind mapping app do you

50:47

use? I don't. I

50:50

keep it simple. You write it

50:52

yourself. See all

50:54

of my, this is just 2024, but

50:57

like I have, yes, circles

50:59

upon circles upon circles and

51:01

then yeah.

51:05

Okay so you're and and it's

51:07

you know we were so like that though right where

51:09

it's the colored pencils and that's how I do that

51:12

but I don't

51:14

know why probably cuz you know I'm like

51:16

go big or go home. I have these

51:18

I put them in the closet but I

51:20

have these giant post-it notes. It's like the

51:23

size of you know half of this bookshelf

51:25

and then I throw that on with a sharpie.

51:27

This is video right? Wait wait wait wait. Okay

51:30

so here's

51:32

my. She's running over

51:34

to go get her

51:36

giant calendar. K.S. calendar.

51:39

With nothing on it. Yeah

51:43

yeah. I'm exactly like that. Keep

51:45

it simple. I do what works.

51:47

I've literally, this is just like

51:49

a classic planner. It's a

51:51

passion planner. I've used it for five years

51:54

straight and before

51:57

you never used a planner or you'd

52:00

start one, use it for two weeks and did you struggle

52:02

with that or no? Have you always been good with the

52:04

planner? No, I didn't

52:06

use the planner before. I would, well, I

52:08

had so much structure in my life before

52:10

that, right? I was a teacher and I

52:13

would come to school early, I would

52:15

leave with the custodians and

52:17

then I had no other life.

52:19

So like, what was I planning?

52:21

There was no planning because you could just

52:23

do it, right? Correct. I was on autopilot. It

52:25

was like Groundhog's Day every day. Like I did

52:27

the same thing, right? The only planning was the

52:30

planning that I had to do as a teacher

52:32

with my lessons. There was no

52:34

other planning involved. I had planning burnout as far

52:36

as my own life. So there

52:38

was no planning involved. That's

52:42

really interesting though. I have not thought

52:44

about, because like you, I can't, I

52:47

don't know what happens when there's a bunch of words

52:49

I get lost in them versus if

52:51

I can separate them out and draw

52:53

with it and put arrows then. Oh

52:56

yeah, you're a visual person, right? I'm

52:59

totally visual. Visual, tactile. Yes. Yes.

53:03

I love how you said what apps do you use,

53:05

right? Because I know the apps are amazing for people

53:07

with ADHD, but I

53:09

don't like apps. They don't work for me.

53:12

Okay, there is one. There's one, they're not

53:14

intuitive. And I'm so with you. People are

53:16

always reaching out, can you test this app?

53:19

I'm like, no, because I hate being stuck

53:21

on that phone, right? But

53:24

there is one mind map app, the

53:26

only one that to me is intuitive.

53:28

And of course, I don't use it

53:30

enough. So now I can't think of what it is.

53:32

Oh my God. Is it

53:34

like X mind X?

53:36

No, it's something mind

53:39

map. Most of them

53:41

I would get in there and I couldn't even figure out

53:43

how to make it work. You know what? I'll put it

53:45

in the show notes. I need to find it. I love

53:47

it so much. I don't even know the name of it.

53:49

And I haven't used it in a few weeks, my friends,

53:51

but I want to recommend it. You're

53:53

right. I don't I I use the big

53:55

giant post it now. I

53:58

think we shame ourselves way too much. much

54:00

about the simple things in life,

54:02

about sleep, about eating, about taking

54:05

naps, about drinking water, about having

54:08

air outside, about

54:11

doing things that work for

54:13

kids. Yeah. And for us,

54:15

why do you think they work for children? Why do

54:17

you think they work for babies? Right? Like,

54:20

what makes us so special? Why can't we use

54:22

them too? Keep it simple. And

54:24

then you can add all of the cool

54:26

apps and the sparkly things if it works

54:28

for you. Right. And

54:31

that's that really, because there are people where the apps

54:33

do work for. You just need to figure out, right,

54:35

what works for you. Correct. Okay,

54:39

Brooke, where can people find you if

54:41

they want to know more about you? They want

54:43

to buy your book. We're going to

54:45

put it in the show notes. So tell us, tell us all

54:47

the things that we need to know. Coaching

54:50

with Brooke with an E. Thank

54:52

you. You're great, Vanna. I heard they

54:55

need a new one. No. Coaching

54:57

with Brooke with an E everywhere. So

54:59

Instagram is our big platform. coachingwithbrooke.com.

55:04

You can find our book on Amazon,

55:06

Activate Your ADHD Potential. But pretty much

55:08

even the book is on our website,

55:10

Coaching with Brooke. Okay.

55:13

And thank you. And what we're going to do

55:15

is we're also going to get it in the

55:17

show notes because I just realized I'm looking at

55:19

the resources section and there are no resources because

55:22

I did this. So before you leave, let's get

55:24

all the resources so we can have them in

55:26

the show notes. Absolutely. So

55:29

Brooke, thank you

55:32

so much for finally making this

55:34

work and streaming. Thank

55:37

you. I know we didn't do

55:40

what works for our brain, but that's

55:42

resilience right there. That ADHD brain making

55:44

it happen with or without assistance, we

55:46

did it. And

55:48

we laughed. And that's why we were able to

55:50

do it, right? We had

55:52

fun. It was a lot of fun. Thank

55:55

you. So that's what I have for you for

55:57

this week. If you like this episode with Brooke.

56:00

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56:09

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56:11

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56:13

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56:16

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