0:00

These silly hats. Whose idea was this,

0:02

anyways?

0:02

Um, no idea. Hi,

0:05

Alison.

0:06

Hi, Mattie. Oh, for

0:09

the last time this season.

0:11

I know, I know. But,

0:13

we're talking about like a month, right?

0:16

Yeah, not even.

0:18

diddly doing today?

0:20

How's everybody diddly doing? We did dress for the occasion.

0:22

Thank you for noticing.

0:24

Yes? Hello?

0:26

um, well,

0:27

Mmm. Mm

0:29

final episode of ADHd20

0:31

Season 2, Electric Boogaloo. It's

0:35

one more episode than we did >in>>

0:37

Season One, so we decided that would be a good

0:40

place and way to end it.

0:41

Mm hmm.

0:42

We decided to end it with you, some

0:44

of our best friends, our patrons,

0:47

tuning in live. And it's so

0:49

good to have you here. Um,

0:51

we, Matt in

0:54

true form did moments before we

0:56

kick off say, Do we have an outline? Has anybody

0:58

seen an outline? Looking

1:00

high and low for an outline?

1:02

In the truest form. Yeah.

1:04

Yeah. We didn't have one, but that's

1:07

okay. We don't usually have one for this

1:09

show. I mean, that's not true.

1:11

We usually have one, we just usually don't pay it any attention.

1:14

don't look

1:16

at it it

1:17

All the tea on ADHD20 today.

1:20

So we thought that today would be a little bit

1:22

of a retrospective, looking back

1:24

fondly on our first and second

1:26

years as podcast co hosts,

1:28

know

1:31

and

1:31

know. It's been amazing. Yeah.

1:33

This, uh, for those of you who don't know,

1:36

uh, this is a podcast called

1:38

A DHD 20, finds

1:40

the intersection between A DHD,

1:43

and

1:44

TTRPGs.

1:45

That's right. That's right. That's what this

1:47

is. but if if you do not

1:50

have a DHD. Or,

1:52

you do not play

1:55

TTRPGs, you're still welcome.

1:57

Thank you for being here.

1:58

Yeah, well, yeah, great to have you. It's

2:00

really great to have You

2:01

You know, not to not to out anybody,

2:04

but

2:05

Hehehehe.

2:05

several people in the comments, uh, over

2:07

the course of this season, and some of last have, have,

2:10

have shared with us that maybe they

2:12

do have ADHD and just didn't know it

2:14

until they heard the two of us talking

2:17

about, Uh huh.

2:20

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

2:22

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

2:24

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, is

2:27

that in the last two years, we

2:29

have been diagnosing people non

2:32

stop, and we are not qualified to do so.

2:35

But everything now

2:37

fits into these, these, these

2:39

amazing Uh,

2:42

personal discoveries that you and I have

2:45

in this podcast, everything,

2:47

like, now I think that my wife has

2:49

ADHD, think brother has ADHD

2:52

and all other things, everybody

2:54

that has joined us on Discord now has

2:56

has ADHD. I have autism,

2:58

or am

2:59

autism,

3:00

yeah, yeah, yeah. So

3:01

it just gets better and better and

3:04

better. It's like, no, you know,

3:06

but, but to be fair, I think the other thing that

3:08

we've discovered is that. There's no such thing as neurotypical.

3:11

typical, Not at all. Um,

3:13

so I'm so glad to be, you know, let's

3:15

go ahead and get started. Make our way

3:18

into, like, the clapbacks and callbacks of the

3:20

season. Callback number one

3:22

was the episode we did surrounding Are We

3:24

a Cult?

3:25

Mm-Hmm?

3:28

I mean, I was pretty emphatically no

3:30

back then, but a mere, what was that, like, four

3:33

or five months ago? And I'm now, uh,

3:35

I think we might have accidentally started a cult, Matt,

3:37

and I'm okay with it.

3:38

I mean, I mean, is it, is it,

3:41

again, cults have

3:45

a, a leader. And

3:47

that leader may or may not be sinister.

3:50

So, I don't think we're the leaders of

3:53

the man lit up red. For

3:55

the holidays. For morale.

3:58

la, la, demons, demons,

4:00

demons Demons. Demons. Demons.

4:03

I'll tell you this, we are the holliest, jolliest, jingliest, jangliest

4:06

demons, if that's exact. Charismatic.

4:09

Thank you. Yeah, not sinister.

4:11

Charismatic leader. Thank

4:14

you, Jax.

4:15

Oh yeah, I learned something new. I learned something

4:17

new recently. Uh, all the kids are saying

4:20

it. They're like, she got riz.

4:22

They got Riz. And of course I love

4:25

that because, you know,

4:27

charisma. They got charisma. What is

4:29

your charisma. score?

4:31

a nat 20

4:32

You're a nat 20

4:34

Riz. Yeah, so this is how

4:36

we start the show normally. We just kind of,

4:39

uh, laugh and laugh and laugh at

4:41

each other and then we're like, oh, we'll never,

4:43

we'll always edit that out. And of course we

4:45

never edit any of it out. Uh,

4:48

there's a lot of singing, a lot of

4:51

hunting for windows on

4:53

your

4:53

Speaking of hunting for windows,

4:56

we didn't put this on the but

4:59

shall we roll for one final time this

5:02

season? How many times am I going to do that today on

5:04

the ADHD 100 table? I think it's

5:06

your turn to roll.

5:09

Okay, good. So that means it's your turn to read.

5:11

Yeah. Uh, pack

5:13

And I got it pulled up. Also, the D100

5:16

table might be one of my favorite facets of ADHd20.

5:19

And we give Fitz most of the credit for

5:22

our sweet, sweet D100. I helped like that much,

5:24

but all the good questions came

5:26

Mm hmm.

5:26

our Lorekeeper

5:28

It's really, they're really great. Really,

5:30

really great. Okay. Today's

5:33

number is 49.

5:36

49.

5:37

49 Uh,

5:40

and we, you know what, we have asked the one below

5:42

and above, but

5:43

Oh, dang. Okay, great.

5:45

Uh, what is something that you can

5:47

now attribute to your ADHD

5:50

that you simply thought was a strange

5:52

quirk before your diagnosis?

5:55

Oh my gosh. Oh

5:57

my gosh. Let's see. I'm just gonna go

6:00

look at past episode topics. What was

6:02

the one that was really masking?

6:05

Mm hmm.

6:06

not, I did not factor in masking.

6:09

I did not factor in, I

6:13

didn't even factor in over explaining

6:15

or catastrophizing, to be

6:17

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

6:19

Those are three major

6:21

things Um, how about you?

6:25

So I'll go big and small. Uh, like

6:27

my big kind of macro one is

6:29

the whole, the fact that I will not walk into

6:31

a restaurant without knowing,

6:33

Mmm.

6:34

like, where people are waiting inside or I'll just wait

6:36

in my car for my friends to get there

6:38

to go in with them. Um, Yeah,

6:41

yeah, that's my big one. Um, that

6:43

once I got diagnosed, I was like, Oh, that

6:45

makes so much sense. Um, my small

6:47

one, it was actually a topic

6:50

that took off in our Discord this week, uh,

6:52

being very particular about flatware. There

6:55

are very specific types

6:57

of forks and spoons

6:59

Whoa, whoa.

7:01

Oh, yeah.

7:02

dude. Are you serious

7:05

right now? I

7:07

serious right now.

7:09

wi I will

7:11

not cannot use the smaller

7:13

forks. I cannot use,

7:15

they're just a little bit

7:17

too small. I can't do

7:19

it. It

7:20

That's That's the right answer.

7:21

out of me. That's An ADHD thing?

7:24

ADHD thing.

7:25

That is such a neuro spicy thing. It I

7:29

have I have I

7:32

act I'm usually a bigger fork girl than smaller

7:34

fork, but I don't get bent out of shape over

7:36

it. My dad gets bent out of shape if I offer

7:38

him the wrong fork. But y'all.

7:41

The love I have for a soup

7:43

spoon over a regular spoon.

7:45

Hells yes.

7:47

Give me a good circular

7:49

round bowl my spoon over,

7:52

you know, kind of the elongated oval one any

7:54

day. I gosh I

7:56

swear it makes a difference in the taste.

7:58

And I will eat non soup things with a soup spoon

8:00

just because the soup spoon is so superior. We're gonna

8:02

spend this whole episode talking about flatware.

8:06

okay, that's fine. dude. I just

8:08

feel so seen

8:11

been season. Thanks, everybody,

8:13

for tuning in.

8:14

yeah, it has been a great, thank you. so everybody. Bye! Oh

8:17

my gosh, I

8:20

only, I only

8:22

All right. Let's get to, let's get it to business,

8:24

to business. Or,

8:26

matt, if you have like a

8:28

favorite, you know, we'll, we'll sprinkle

8:30

in like our favorite memories and

8:33

biggest aha moments and things like that. So if

8:35

you have one at any time, do the ADHD impulsive

8:37

thing and just shout it out. Um,

8:40

But in the meantime, I

8:42

had asked I kind of polled our Discord for

8:44

some of their favorite moments. there?

8:46

Yeah, I wanted to, I wanted to touch on some of

8:49

my favorite memories of the year. So,

8:51

one of my very favorite, I know we

8:54

kind of, last year's recap

8:56

was kind

8:58

of, Oh my gosh, I can't believe

9:00

we, I can't believe we recorded and

9:02

edited and published 18 episodes.

9:05

We were stunned. And, I

9:07

mean, it really started as a

9:09

lark. The whole thing started as a lark.

9:12

So this year I

9:14

am super freaky grateful

9:17

to ADHD20 for becoming

9:20

the cornerstone

9:23

of what is now the Pocket Dimension

9:26

which includes my

9:29

brother Evan and of course Fitz

9:31

and now an

9:33

ever growing community

9:35

of people in

9:37

Discord and beyond

9:39

and so I Um,

9:42

I love that, that ADHD

9:44

20 is a very specific thing,

9:46

it's still a very niche

9:49

tastic thing. But,

9:52

it, it, it allowed us to

9:55

talk to people like Dale Critchley,

9:58

uh, the Accessibility D&

10:00

D Mechanics, uh, gentleman,

10:03

who is Doing amazing

10:05

work, and, uh, of

10:07

course, our friend Sarah Mobley, and

10:09

then Alan Bjorkgren, the

10:12

dungeon coach, came

10:14

on ADHD20, and he was very confused,

10:16

because he had

10:18

met us, we didn't, you know, we kind of talked

10:20

about ADHD a little bit, and then

10:23

we, but he was like, who, uh,

10:25

Bivins Brothers, what's happening? And so,

10:27

we were kind of inspired to come

10:29

up with the Pocket Dimension, and so,

10:32

it's so nice. to

10:34

be able to count this

10:36

podcast as, as the

10:38

thing that started it all. we touched

10:41

on some amazing things this year.

10:43

The concept of dopamining,

10:45

which is a big thing

10:47

for both of us. The ADHD

10:51

tax, which, which

10:53

is, it's amazing because that was one

10:55

of the earlier episodes this year, and

10:58

more and more and more I see these taxes.

11:01

Once I did my taxes, and then

11:03

more and more like, oh man.

11:06

I love, I loved everything that

11:08

you've mentioned so far. Obviously, I'm very

11:10

obsessed with our community, everybody here chatting

11:12

away with us right now. Um,

11:14

one of my favorite standout moments

11:16

from the season was the

11:18

time that you and I got

11:20

to process some

11:22

beef

11:24

Mm hmm. Yeah, you really did

11:26

enjoy that.

11:27

did. That time I called Matt

11:29

to the principal's office and scared him. But,

11:33

for murdering you,

11:34

for murdering me, um, I

11:36

wonder what that would have looked like without this,

11:39

like, would

11:40

I do

11:40

talked about that if we

11:41

I really,

11:42

show and, and, if it hadn't been so applicable

11:44

to, like, what was going on? Um,

11:47

would I have ever addressed that with you or would

11:49

I have just sat and pouted and, you know,

11:51

felt rejected and weird and bad?

11:54

Um,

11:55

Similarly, having my brother

11:57

on now I've, I've known my brother for

12:00

50 years almost,

12:03

and, uh, and

12:06

I was just. gobsmacked,

12:10

um, by a lot of the things that he

12:12

was, he was, he came on

12:14

and talked about, you know, some

12:16

very personal things and things that I didn't

12:18

realize and, and ways

12:21

that he relates to us and, and

12:23

that we relate to him. And I think that,

12:26

I think that our Relationship

12:28

has gotten better since, at least,

12:31

in, you know, not that it was bad, but

12:33

just in a way to,

12:35

to go, right, I can go back to the episode

12:37

and think, oh my gosh, right,

12:40

I did not know that that was part

12:42

of Evan's spicy brain,

12:44

uh, things, right?

12:47

Mm hmm.

12:48

Ah, yeah,

12:50

was also one of my highlights just because,

12:52

you know, he's obviously one of

12:54

your best friends. He's one of my best

12:56

friends. We spent a lot of time together.

12:59

And I just, I loved

13:02

getting to know somebody on a whole new level that

13:04

I thought I knew you extremely well already.

13:07

Uh, Evan, Onion, boy,

13:09

that one, just all the layers and surprises

13:11

and nooks and crannies for cool things to hide inside

13:14

of.

13:15

Layers and layers. And then, and

13:17

then having Sarah on was amazing

13:19

because I only know Sarah in

13:21

a performative, performance

13:24

level, right? I'm

13:26

in a group with her, improv

13:28

group, uh, I didn't

13:31

know the business the day

13:33

to day, I didn't know her day job,

13:35

the business socks, when she puts

13:37

on her business socks, I

13:39

didn't, I didn't know that. She came and she had

13:41

like, freaking printouts,

13:44

it was incredible, it

13:46

was incredible, and I, still

13:48

have those and I still go through them when I,

13:50

when I worry about myself, uh,

13:53

that was, to see, to see her

13:55

mind, uh, was, was an

13:57

amazing thing. Mmm.

13:58

One of my highlights of 2023

14:01

was meeting Sarah after getting to meet

14:03

her through

14:04

no,

14:05

When, when we were up in Chicago. Um,

14:07

that was super duper duper fun and

14:09

was right before we went to GaryCon.

14:11

went to a Cheese then, uh, we,

14:13

we had a live, we had a live

14:16

show, sort of with Fitz. That

14:18

was really fun, we came back and we,

14:20

we realized, oh my gosh. We talk

14:22

about this thing, but then we get

14:25

there, and we come

14:27

back with COVID, but we

14:29

still love Dungeons Dragons.

14:31

We still love all of

14:33

this stuff.

14:34

And that was like, I mean, that was like a six

14:36

or seven year long dream realized for

14:38

me getting to go to the Mars

14:40

Cheese Castle in Kenosha,

14:42

You can do it. I know you want to do it. Go for

14:44

it. You can do it. I know you want to do it.

14:46

go for Yeah.

14:47

Can I do it. Oh my

14:49

god, the Mars Cheese Castle in Kenosha,

14:52

Wisconsin. It

14:54

is so many rooms of just cheese on

14:56

cheese on cheese. So many kinds

14:59

of cheese curds. You would just not

15:01

believe. Okay, thank you. Thank

15:03

you for letting me. Yeah.

15:04

Yeah. that was good. You

15:05

that out of my

15:05

That was wonderful that was good. You did it.

15:08

That was wonderful. Wonderful. Uh.

15:10

Yeah, I mean, there's so many things,

15:12

procrastinating and catastrophizing

15:15

and over explaining. I feel like I've had the best

15:17

conversations with people,

15:18

Let's, let's dive into a couple and let's

15:20

just, if we think of other,

15:23

uh, memories and favorites

15:25

and not so favorites, blurt them out. Um,

15:28

so our friend Jax, I'm gonna,

15:30

I'm I'm gonna open up with my favorite question

15:33

that she asked. How do

15:35

the holidays affect your ADHD?

15:37

And or, how does your ADHD affect

15:39

the holidays? Do you get overwhelmed or overstimulated

15:42

this time of year? By all the hustle

15:44

and bustle, I know I do, uh,

15:46

she says.

15:47

Excellent question.

15:49

I think my answer to this goes

15:51

along with the spiritual practice that y'all

15:53

have heard me also simultaneously be

15:55

on, which is

15:59

Woo

16:01

Has been all about creating

16:04

healthy boundaries in my life, and

16:06

recognizing what relationships

16:08

and people and things

16:11

I do are serving me and letting the ones that are

16:13

not, you know, kind of float to the wayside. So

16:15

this year for the holidays, I'm not

16:17

going home to Birmingham, Alabama. I

16:19

am still getting to see my family because I do

16:22

love my family. So let's get clear about that.

16:24

I am not throwing anybody under the bus and saying my family

16:26

no longer serves me. But

16:30

all that travel was overstimulating to me.

16:32

In a time, in a year that I've been very

16:34

busy, and I've had a lot going on, and I didn't

16:36

take, I did not take nearly enough

16:38

long rests this year, y'all. I just,

16:40

Yeah.

16:41

all year long. And I'm not sorry about it because I had a whole

16:43

lot of fun. But I realized

16:46

that trying to fit a trip

16:48

to Birmingham for a couple of nights

16:50

would have like catapulted me into

16:52

overstimulation. So finding

16:55

the freedom just to call my mom

16:57

up and not Make excuses

16:59

or pussyfoot around this, but just say, Hey,

17:02

could you come meet me in Atlanta instead? Could

17:05

we do that? Um, so that way

17:07

I can actually have like a relaxing holiday

17:09

that looks like what I want it to look

17:11

like instead of what someone else's expectation

17:14

of, of Christmas should be. I

17:16

just think that feels really good. And I don't, I don't think in

17:18

years past, I would have recognized

17:21

I need that and then been able to verbalize

17:24

my desire for that So

17:26

I 100 percent agree that you

17:28

wouldn't You I

17:30

will say that you you The breaks

17:32

that you did take this year, they did Not. seem

17:35

like long rests. They, they were,

17:37

they were still very social,

17:40

and even you were trying to chill, you were not

17:42

really chilling. So you, you would come back and say, I

17:44

need a vacation. So I think that

17:47

I was so proud of you when you said, I'm

17:49

gonna just Chill

17:52

at for Christmas, and I'm going to,

17:55

you know, just do what I need to do. But I, but

17:57

I also love that you get, you get to see your, uh,

17:59

Mom

18:00

And Dad.

18:01

and Dad.

18:02

Uh, I also get to see Fitz.

18:04

We are going to go take a long rest.

18:06

We have rented a house with nothing

18:08

on the agenda, but walking

18:11

around and eating good food. And that

18:13

is, a long rest.

18:15

Stomping And eating. That

18:18

is how we

18:19

and eatin'. And eatin' and

18:21

stomping. And this is in

18:23

the beach in

18:24

Charlestonian? Yeah. Mm.

18:26

on Folly. Uh,

18:29

yeah, just don't, don't

18:31

accept any socials. Just don't, don't. Don't

18:34

do anything.

18:36

We're not gonna. That's

18:38

how you know you found a true friend

18:41

is like the people that you can just do nothing

18:43

with.

18:43

Yep.

18:44

And Fitz, you're a true friend. We

18:46

ain't gonna do shit that week.

18:48

Ain't gonna do bleh heh heh duh duh. Yep.

18:51

Uh, I also, uh,

18:53

uh, I have a very big,

18:56

a big Christmas coming up because it's

18:59

brand new. Uh, experience,

19:01

uh, Jax. Uh, I'm very,

19:04

I'm very excited about it. Um,

19:06

but it is, like, it involves flying,

19:08

which is, I haven't done in years.

19:10

I haven't done forever

19:13

to fly during the holidays. Uh,

19:15

I mean, it was a choice. It

19:17

makes the most sense, but, uh,

19:21

I will have stress about that. I will definitely

19:23

have stress about flying. I just will.

19:25

That's okay. Uh, and then we're

19:27

going to, we're going to be in a new home.

19:30

We're going to be in Evan's, uh, and his wife

19:32

Elise's home. So that's all going to be

19:34

new. And my mom, that's going

19:36

to be new. And her sister,

19:38

and brother in law, and all these.

19:40

So the good news is that They

19:43

hit a point in the day. They

19:45

They'll just say, hey, it's chilling time. It's

19:48

pajama time. What is it? It's cozy pants o'clock.

19:50

And it's done. Is CozyPants

19:52

o'Clock? And, you

19:55

know, party is over. And I

19:57

am looking forward to that, because they're very good

19:59

at that. And I'm, you

20:01

know, in their own home, I'm sure it's

20:03

going to be the same. So once I get there,

20:06

once I get there, it's going to be fine. Jax,

20:08

thanks for thinking of me. But yeah, it's hard. I

20:10

definitely get packing

20:13

and blah y y y y, but But

20:16

once I get there, it'll be great. It'll

20:18

be great.

20:18

it's gonna be great. Overstimulated

20:21

at the holidays. That's us,

20:23

But, not really.

20:23

it is but I but for

20:25

that reason That was my point for that reason Lindsay

20:27

and I took Thanksgiving off

20:31

We we rented a place we

20:33

went out On our own.

20:35

We did not see anybody. It was just the dogs

20:38

and us We had we had your Charleston

20:40

and on a marsh in

20:42

Michigan So I think that

20:44

allowed me to kind of be

20:47

totes goods. Toast

20:50

goods.

20:52

which no one says. Yeah, there.

20:55

Evan says, cozy pants, pimento

20:57

cheese. What else do you need? Three

20:59

question marks. It's true. What

21:01

else do I need, brother? Dinging.

21:05

glad y'all have each other. that we

21:07

have both of

21:08

Me too, me too.

21:10

Uh, Fitz, add pimento cheese

21:12

to the shopping list for our week,

21:15

please.

21:15

me Yeah, man. Okay,

21:17

what

21:18

Um, So, uh, Mike,

21:21

another one of our, uh, pocket pals,

21:23

he said, I think for me, the aha moment was

21:25

somewhere within the first five episodes of Season

21:28

One. Here I am listening to this podcast

21:30

and realizing that a lot of the weird things I do aren't

21:32

really weird at all and are in fact fairly common,

21:34

like having strong preferences for forks.

21:37

Um, he didn't add that last part that I just did, but

21:39

it fits here. And, and Mike was definitely part

21:41

of the, the Great Fork debate. So yes,

21:44

we see you, we hear you, we honor you,

21:46

Mike. Um, and as for

21:49

the question, what's next for ADHd20?

21:52

What are the crazy, outlandish, super

21:54

exciting goals that you have for the podcast

21:57

and as a follow up, how can we help y'all

21:59

achieve those goals?

22:02

Well, you already are. number one. Uh,

22:05

We have lots of goals for this year. We

22:07

had a meeting yesterday. God,

22:10

you've got all kinds of sparkly, delicious

22:12

things. Um,

22:19

uh, what was I just saying? We

22:21

had a meeting yesterday where we started to talk about

22:23

these goals. Uh, it is, it is

22:25

a member of of the Pocket Dimension

22:28

has a very big birthday, so

22:31

that is high, high on the

22:33

list, is celebrating this birthday,

22:36

because AK's Mine was

22:38

celebrated last year, um,

22:40

by meeting together. It

22:42

was kind of the origin of

22:45

our home brewed world,

22:47

and, and many, many other things.

22:49

Just playing together for the first time,

22:52

and I feel like we just learned and grew.

22:54

A lot. So, that's definitely on the books,

22:57

but as far as, as far as,

22:59

uh, what we want to do with ADHD20

23:02

and the POC Dimension, there's

23:04

so many things. There's

23:08

so many things. I still, I still

23:10

have a, uh, I have a short

23:12

list of people that I really want to get

23:14

on the podcast, and I do

23:17

I was serious when I said before, I think

23:20

that it, you

23:22

know, the more that we go out

23:24

there, the more cons we go out, the more

23:26

people we meet, the more Dungeon

23:29

Coaches we meet, the, you know, the,

23:32

you know, we're going to find those connections. So

23:34

I, I don't want to give up on

23:36

that. Uh, and it really

23:38

just kind of like, go to these things,

23:40

meet these people. They're all so amazing.

23:43

So I would love to hear, for

23:45

this podcast, I really would. I think

23:48

in our first episode We had like a dream

23:51

guest list and I want to just

23:53

keep getting closer to that because,

23:55

because then we can find, you know, more of the friends.

23:57

we, we, we love, the

23:59

community, we, we want to keep

24:01

it small enough for us to still get

24:03

to like know everybody and play the games

24:06

and things like that. But yeah, it wouldn't

24:08

hurt our feelings to grow the channels a little bit more.

24:10

Um, we have room, We have room in our hearts and minds,

24:13

um, And at our fingertips for a few

24:15

We do. And it's funny,

24:17

because we, I would like to

24:19

know whether self promotion

24:22

or the difficulty

24:25

in self promotion is some

24:27

kind of neuro spicy trait, because

24:29

it is, you know. I,

24:33

I am a YouTube content consumer

24:35

as well, so I know that

24:38

when people say, hey, like and subscribe,

24:41

uh, at first it was deeply

24:43

annoying, and it's something to make fun

24:45

of, right? It is going to be I've

24:48

said it before, I think that there'll be,

24:50

in the future, there'll be so many

24:53

people making fun of the YouTube

24:55

videos. So many. And making fun of

24:57

us. Unfortunately, right right

24:59

now in 2023, if

25:02

we hit 500, then

25:04

a lot of things change, and then it kinda,

25:06

so it's, I get it now, you

25:09

know,

25:09

Yeah, I am convinced.

25:13

I am manifesting this live on the air, friends.

25:15

d

25:16

We're, we're going up and over 500

25:19

in 2023.

25:20

Yeah. 504.

25:24

Five.

25:27

Maddie? Keep going.

25:32

I'm not even putting a number on it. I am just expanding

25:35

our reality

25:36

Uh, so yeah, that and

25:38

then I think, I think a dream

25:40

of mine still, I think we had it last

25:42

year. Uh, this year was our

25:45

go out into the world of TTRPGs

25:48

and see if we still like it for real,

25:50

like, on that level,

25:52

and we did. We absolutely do. So,

25:56

I do want to sit

25:58

down at a panel of

26:01

a Con. Within the next five

26:03

years, I want you and me to

26:05

sit down. want to be, I

26:07

want to hang out.

26:08

Yep. So

26:10

y'all are already, I love that you asked

26:13

that Mike, that you asked like, what can y'all do? And it

26:15

really, truly, you were already doing it like

26:17

being here. know,

26:19

I know that things like Discord can get overwhelming.

26:21

I know that there's a million creators a minute asking

26:24

for your social currency

26:26

in the form of attention and your dollars.

26:29

So the fact that any of you guys are here all in our Discord,

26:31

much less plugging away on Patreon.

26:34

And that is actually one of my other, uh,

26:36

asks that I do have of anybody tuning in both

26:38

live and later. What,

26:41

like, makes you want to support somebody

26:43

on, you know, with both your attention and

26:46

your, uh, and your dollars? What

26:48

can we offer to patrons? We've talked about,

26:50

um, Tabletop Phoenix had a great

26:52

idea for us kind of building a pantheon. It's

26:55

always been one of my dreams to make a platform

26:57

for people who want to play on live streams to get

26:59

that chance. Um, and so we've

27:01

talked about this world, um, you know,

27:03

that is our homebrew world of Sigea. Opening

27:06

it up and having some of y'all come and playing it with us

27:08

would be super fun. And you're

27:10

already doing that on the, the one shots,

27:12

but let's do some live streaming together too. But

27:14

what, what, what makes that investment

27:16

worth it? It's an open conversation.

27:19

You don't have to answer it right now, but anytime either

27:21

drop us, you know, a private message if you

27:23

don't want to post it publicly or go

27:26

into any of the channels and discord

27:28

and start a discussion about, I'd

27:30

really love this. This would, you know, uh, this,

27:32

or my friends and I were talking and they would be interested

27:34

in this. Um, we want to hear from you

27:36

cause we have our ideas, but y'all's are probably better.

27:39

Um, all right, let's move on to some more questions.

27:41

These are so great. Thank you guys

27:43

so much. Um, I

27:45

love this question from Galaxy Fox in

27:47

our Discord. How does being neurodivergent

27:50

impact character creation

27:52

for tabletop role playing

27:54

Mmm. Oh my

27:55

already mentioned Dale and that was

27:57

so cool. I don't even have

27:59

the words for it. To have somebody

28:02

who is so invested in the space

28:04

of inclusion and accessibility and TTRPGs.

28:07

Um, so, it makes

28:09

me want to help lift his voice

28:11

and others in the room like him. For

28:14

me, I think that you know, we've talked

28:16

about this a lot before that

28:18

every character that you create is in

28:20

some way tied to you, whether

28:23

you intend for them to be or not. So it really is

28:25

this like self exploration tool. Um,

28:28

and God, it was so neat to begin,

28:31

you know, Chimericals, the, the character that I've played

28:33

for the longest, she's now the one that's died

28:35

at Matt's hands. Um, love

28:39

you. Oh,

28:41

And she will die

28:43

again. Okay.

28:46

You guys. Wow!

28:48

I'm sorry, I don't know what, I don't know what that was.

28:51

demons.

28:52

Demons! Demons!

28:55

Totally just lost my train of thought on that. Anyways,

28:58

but it, like, once I realized,

29:00

like, the, the problem with her,

29:02

not a problem, but, you know, like, what was going on,

29:05

problem.

29:05

The problem... with

29:06

What what we, ADHD 20.

29:09

The podcast where we wonder what

29:11

is our What

29:13

is our problem.

29:14

What is our

29:19

But realizing that both Alison the player and Chimerical the character was having this, like, hard

29:21

fought internal battle just

29:23

lit up by RSD. And so,

29:26

and I, so I do to that,

29:28

to your kind of question, Galaxy

29:30

Fox, on that note, now,

29:33

as I've been spinning up new characters,

29:35

it's forced me to think Like,

29:37

when I spun up Benni, you guys all

29:39

made fun of me because I picked Charisma, because

29:41

I always pick Charisma, because I think it's fun to play

29:44

Charisma. I love that Riz, yo. Um,

29:46

ew, that felt weird to say, I didn't like that, I'm not gonna say

29:48

that again. Um, But

29:53

what does Charisma mean, and how do we not be

29:55

boring, because Charisma doesn't always have

29:57

to be the face, and how do we find these

29:59

levels and make it exciting

30:01

and interesting. That one shot

30:03

was, you know, kind of our debutante

30:06

ball of coming into the

30:08

live play, actual play world. So

30:10

I kind of in the back of my brain knew I wanted

30:12

to play something that was not only fun for me, but

30:15

might also be interesting for other people to watch.

30:18

And so I think that my neuro spiciness

30:20

helps with that when it comes to character creation.

30:23

Yeah. I mean, The more comfortable

30:25

you, you get in

30:28

your skin as a human being, I don't care

30:30

who you are, the more comfortable you are,

30:32

the more that you understand, the more that you

30:34

realize you're not alone. These

30:37

are all things that

30:39

you want to, I

30:41

think, you would want to put into

30:44

a character. So it, like, invades

30:46

your play. Because I could, I could see

30:48

where you would You

30:51

know, if, if you have a,

30:53

a feeling of disappointment

30:56

in yourself or shame, you could

30:58

use roleplay to try to get away

31:00

from that, but I don't know. I feel

31:02

like it was a really fun episode this year to

31:04

talk about Chimerical and go, Oh my

31:06

gosh, you know, not

31:09

Not realizing some of these things that

31:11

we do and we live with, uh, are,

31:14

are already in them.

31:16

I mean, I think any character I've ever created,

31:19

they just have to have ADHD. There's no, because

31:21

I don't know any better. I don't know, I

31:24

don't know what else to do. And I love that.

31:26

I love that. You know? Um,

31:29

and this, this podcast has helped with that. So that's,

31:31

that's what I think.

31:32

So Fitz question number one. I love

31:35

this one, Matt. Where

31:37

do you find the line between an ADHDism

31:39

trait to accept and

31:41

accommodate with a badge of pride, and

31:44

a trait that you attempt to change

31:46

or mask intentionally?

31:51

Where do you find the line? So

31:54

answering the first part of that question, I

31:57

don't find the line. There are things that I am

31:59

absolutely proud about and be like, Nope, that's how

32:01

I am. Take it or leave it. Um,

32:03

and then there are absolutely things. So

32:05

not forcing myself to treat

32:08

everything on an equal plane, I

32:10

guess would be the first part of that answer. Um,

32:14

my, I will share, since I

32:16

just said that I don't have a line, thing I

32:18

still wish I could change, there's

32:20

two, um, One

32:22

I'm actively working on, one will probably

32:24

never change, um, the one I'm actively

32:26

working on. But

32:29

what I'm actively working on is the whole impulsive,

32:31

interrupting, listening to

32:33

understand instead of to respond. Um,

32:36

It's a tough one.

32:37

because That would make me a better friend, it would make me a better player,

32:40

it would make me a better GM, it would, it would be

32:42

part of everything I want to be. Um,

32:45

so yeah, actively working on that. Um,

32:48

don't like that I do it. Don't think it's cute.

32:52

Don't want to do it anymore. Um, and

32:55

messiness. I'm just a messy

32:57

human. And sometimes

32:59

it's funny to be like, Oh, my God, here comes Alison, the hot

33:01

mess. Haha, I'm such a trash panda. But

33:04

like,

33:12

Oh my god. Is

33:15

that what you say? Oh my god.

33:17

Or is that what your friends say? Oh god.

33:20

definitely the internal monologue. Trash

33:25

pandemonium, baby. Um,

33:27

Yeah,

33:28

I don't like that. I don't like that, like, when people come

33:30

over to my and all of my friends are like, Alison, stop

33:33

apologizing. Like, we know you. Like,

33:35

the jig's up, baby. Like,

33:37

but I still feel the need. Like, if you and

33:39

Lindsay were gonna come visit me, two people

33:41

that I love, that I know love me, I would

33:44

Like, turn myself inside

33:46

out with fear of like, Matt and Lindsay

33:48

are going to walk into my house and see how messy

33:50

it is and turn around and walk out. Um,

33:54

the fix there is to just be less

33:56

messy, but

33:58

Yeah, I know. I,

34:01

I'm the same. I really am.

34:03

I get it. I really do. I get

34:05

it. It's hard. It is pandemonium

34:08

it

34:09

but I,

34:10

trash pandemonium.

34:12

uh, I love your answer. Is that, is that your final

34:14

answer?

34:15

That's my final answer.

34:19

Uh, I, I

34:21

would say it's such a good

34:23

question, Fitz, that

34:26

I really think that between. Coaching,

34:29

ADHD coaching, and

34:31

this podcast, and then

34:33

other people that I have met and

34:35

talked to. Between all of these things,

34:37

and the more that I discover that the

34:40

reason I don't like the small fork is possibly

34:43

something happening in here, you

34:45

know? The masking

34:48

parts, I work the hardest on

34:50

because I realize they can hurt other

34:52

people, right? Or they,

34:54

uh, annoy, or, or,

34:56

or, or make other people's lives

34:58

more difficult, or Whatever.

35:01

So, yes, I can

35:03

easily say, oh well, I have ADHD,

35:07

ehhh, right, like, but, I

35:10

think the trick there is to say,

35:12

I do have this, so this is going to happen,

35:15

so you're okay. That's okay.

35:17

Cause you can't stop it. However,

35:20

how can I be

35:22

even more aware of where I am and

35:24

who I'm with? And, not

35:27

mask, like be, find

35:30

that, find the, that actual line,

35:32

you know, and ride that line and say,

35:35

this is why it's happening, but

35:37

I want it to

35:40

be, I want

35:42

to make this an easier experience

35:44

for people I'm around too. Two.

35:47

Right? For myself and for them. Right? So

35:49

that's a big thing. And then, and then

35:51

the thing that I really, really, really, really would

35:53

love to work on this year, for real, is

35:56

just the. My

35:59

inability to

36:03

voice the

36:05

things that happen in my head as,

36:07

as succinctly as they are in here as,

36:10

you know, I would like to finish sentences

36:13

more. The difficulty is that,

36:16

in my head, I've already finished

36:18

that sentence and I'm on to the next one. And

36:20

I, I, I think that's okay with people,

36:23

around people who love me. I don't love

36:25

it when I'm a Game Master and it's happening.

36:28

That's where I really, really want to work on

36:30

it, right? I want to be more focused.

36:33

I want to, to find the ability

36:35

to say

36:38

what I mean and say it clearly.

36:40

And so, yeah, Breaking down the sentences in my

36:42

head in a slower fashion

36:44

and forcing myself to kind of, uh,

36:48

make sure that everyone around me understands

36:50

what I'm saying. That's what I want.

36:53

Yeah. I loved.

36:55

Well, and I love that you touched on the

36:57

first part of Fitz's question, which is where do you

37:00

find the line?

37:01

Mmhmm.

37:01

I think that delineation, like, it's fine if

37:03

I'm out here, like, screwing myself

37:06

over. I don't want this

37:08

to hurt other people. I don't want this to have a negative

37:11

effect on my, you know,

37:13

and that's, that's the thing about growth,

37:16

right, is that it's on

37:18

one hand, boundaries are good. This is I

37:20

am how I am. I is what I is. But

37:24

if that's your answer for everything, and you're like, sorry,

37:27

deal with it. I'm just a saucy

37:29

bossy lady. Like,

37:33

it's okay to be an ass kicker and in certain

37:37

ways, but like, maybe you could soften

37:39

some edges here And there. Um,

37:41

And you don't want, you don't want people to,

37:44

you don't want people to make

37:46

you feel like you need to apologize for yourself

37:48

if you don't believe that either. That's,

37:51

that's not, that's not it. But yes,

37:53

we know those people who are like, Hang

37:55

on, I'll just deal with it. This is who I

37:57

am. I don't know why they always

37:59

have a bobble head,

38:02

but you know, they usually have a bobble

38:04

head. And yeah, so I

38:06

think, I think that's, that's

38:08

great to know yourself, but also,

38:10

yeah, there are other people. Put

38:12

yourself into other people's shoes. That's,

38:15

is tough for

38:18

some people who have not thought

38:20

about this the way that we have. Because

38:23

I'm not saying they're wrong.

38:25

I'm saying I don't share that.

38:28

I don't share that belief. It could be correct

38:30

for you, it's not correct for me.

38:32

So believe

38:35

it or not. I know it's

38:37

hard, it is hard to believe, it

38:39

is so hard to believe, but I do not

38:41

feel the same way, I don't, I just

38:43

don't, I don't know, you know, Yeah.

38:45

so that's, whee,

38:47

Insert, uh, Real Housewives

38:50

meme here. That's my opinion! Um,

38:54

sorry, sometimes I like to be a walking meme.

38:56

take it,

38:57

There very few things that are black and white in

38:59

this world, and it's like right, wrong, one answer.

39:02

back, yeah,

39:03

Um, yeah, you're right, that I

39:05

can think one thing and you can think it, oh wow. Now

39:08

we're just openly laughing at each other about everything. Fitz's

39:14

final question, um, which I really

39:16

liked and would be a good ending

39:19

punctuation, uh, mark.

39:21

What was your favorite one shot

39:23

or even just a regular game session

39:26

this year? What about it?

39:28

Stood out above all the rest.

39:35

I think we each get two answers.

39:37

one as a DM and one as a player.

39:40

Play a play for

39:41

It's my podcast and I'm making up

39:43

the rules.

39:44

Thank you for having me on your podcast. by the way.

39:46

I don't tell, I don't tell you that enough. Thank

39:48

you so much.

39:49

Thank you for

39:50

Mm-Hmm,

39:50

me on your podcast.

39:51

Yeah, of course. Okay, so go.

39:54

What are your two answers?

39:55

so as a DM, um, my

39:58

kind of turning point this year

40:00

Because I had done very little DMing coming

40:03

into 2023 and, and

40:05

Yes.

40:06

didn't actually like it all that much.

40:08

Um, or so I thought, and you

40:11

have all changed my opinion about

40:13

it. Um, I did learn

40:15

and I had this realization and verbalized it for

40:17

the first time just a week or so ago. I just

40:19

think I'm more of a, one shot

40:21

DM like I kept trying

40:24

to fill these campaign sized

40:26

holes as a DM and it just kept not

40:28

feeling good in my body and once

40:30

i realize like i just am a one shot girly

40:34

everything kind of clicked for me. But

40:36

i think the very first one shot session

40:39

That, like,

40:42

I had a, like, I felt like I got

40:44

it. I got

40:46

this, like, I felt confident in what I was

40:48

doing, was the

40:50

Harmony of Discord one

40:53

shot. I did two sessions of it. Um.

40:57

I had done, I think the very first one that

40:59

I had done was Battle for the Hottie Hive. If

41:01

you were in that one shot, I am sorry. I had no

41:04

idea what I was doing. And

41:06

I was so like, I had spent hours and hours

41:09

and hours preparing for that one and still

41:11

felt woefully unprepared and like I just

41:13

wasn't delivering a good enough product.

41:16

The next one was the Journey to the Forbidden

41:19

Vault. And that one was pretty fun.

41:21

Like, that one I was like, okay, like, this is starting

41:23

to click. It's cool to, like, play with strangers.

41:25

That's less scary than I thought it was

41:27

going to be. But, like, Harmony

41:30

of Discord was the one shot where I felt

41:33

empowered enough to, like, make my own decisions.

41:36

To, like, come up with these kind of weird

41:39

things to throw at my players. Um,

41:41

I had, knowing who was playing in

41:43

that session, like, I had put in some, like,

41:45

funny little things to taunt

41:48

y'all with. Um, And

41:50

I remember your feedback, Matt,

41:52

specifically, and it made me go like, Oh,

41:55

I should do more of this, was around

41:57

strong start,

41:58

Mm.

42:00

that's important in a campaign and a one shot to kind

42:02

of come out of the, it doesn't necessarily mean

42:04

come out in a combat,

42:06

but you had also remarked that since I am

42:08

the self proclaimed combat gremlin, I

42:10

had come out of the

42:13

gate swinging in that one. And it was fun.

42:15

And it kind of showed you guys immediately

42:17

what you would be fighting against. Um,

42:20

so yeah, so I think that was my favorite, like, okay,

42:23

like, I can do this. And every one shot

42:25

that we've done since has been a little bit easier

42:28

for me.

42:28

Yes.

42:29

Um, Honorable Mention was the one

42:31

that you and I co wrote. It was fun

42:33

to partner with you on that,

42:35

Mm hmm.

42:36

Anything we do together is going to be more fun than

42:38

anything I do on my own. Um,

42:41

and had this idea of like, maybe we could start producing

42:43

one shots and put them out for the world in

42:46

an ADHD friendly fashion

42:48

so that people like

42:50

us can feel empowered to do more themselves.

42:54

Um, do you want to answer your

42:56

DM? One or do you want me to go?

42:58

Well, that, that was actually going to be mine.

43:00

The Spice Willow, Haunting of a Spice Willow

43:02

Manor, for those reasons, uh,

43:05

I don't, I, I would not, you know,

43:07

I, I know it's not a perfect, uh,

43:09

it's not a perfect module, it's not a perfect one

43:12

shot, but Working

43:14

with you, I saw that we could,

43:16

we could make something happen.

43:19

We really could. You are, who just

43:21

said this? Jax.

43:23

You are a great DM, and

43:25

you're a really great one shot

43:29

DM. You know, we haven't played a campaign together, so

43:31

I wouldn't know, but you are

43:33

so You're so good

43:36

at, at organizing

43:38

a three to four hour experience,

43:41

and so I loved having

43:44

those guidelines

43:46

and then adding weird,

43:48

darker stuff here and there

43:51

and plot and, and things that

43:53

I'm gonna, so I really hope

43:55

in 2024 that we work

43:59

on, and maybe even release,

44:01

uh, a first, like, ADHD

44:04

friendly one shot, you

44:06

know? I I I think that would be amazing,

44:08

and you had some amazing ideas of

44:10

how that would be, so that, yes, that was my GM one. Ahem.

44:13

Good answer. Good answer. Players always

44:16

surprise you. It's always the thing you throw

44:18

in there that they are like, tell me more

44:20

about this chair.

44:21

Mm hmm. Yeah.

44:22

Um, my favorite, I've had a lot

44:25

of hits, uh, uh,

44:28

playing. I've had a lot of great moments.

44:30

Um, but I'm going to give, and maybe

44:32

cause I'm, I'm the type of person that like, you know,

44:35

like. My favorite

44:37

thing is whatever I'm, have

44:39

consumed most closely, you know,

44:42

um, I loved

44:44

playing in especially part two

44:46

of the Shadows Cast in Ember Tide. Um,

44:50

I loved the idea.

44:52

So first of all, for those of you who have been paying

44:54

attention for any amount of time, you know that I am the one

44:57

that hates newness. I

45:01

get so scared.

45:02

Yeah. Heh

45:04

for anything new and, and, and, and

45:06

was nervous about TTRPGs Picking

45:08

up a new game and, you know, and

45:11

playing it for presumably the world

45:13

to see. all the world, the whole

45:15

wide world. Um,

45:17

heh heh heh heh

45:18

You know, and we wanted to do, we wanted to do DC20

45:21

and Coach justice. We also, it was,

45:23

you know, like our first time really getting to

45:25

show off our world, um,

45:27

in a, in a more public way. Uh,

45:30

I loved building characters from

45:32

scratch on camera and

45:34

like letting be part

45:36

of that process. That was something that I

45:38

had a hunch was gonna be fun. And it was way more

45:41

fun than even I thought it was gonna

45:42

Yeah. Yeah.

45:43

Um, and you know, part one, I think

45:45

we were all kind of like finding our rhythm

45:47

and we were all like a little bit nervous and getting

45:49

into it, but man, I felt like

45:51

by the time we get into part two we were just

45:54

like sprinting at that point. We

45:56

were soaring. Um. And

45:58

it just felt really good to, to share

46:00

our world, to share our characters that we had

46:02

created live, and then just to

46:04

share our antics, to let people see,

46:07

like, that really is what it's like to play. Like, Evan

46:09

is like That That is how Evan plays.

46:11

Yeah. That's it. Right.

46:13

What Fitz does when we play. Um,

46:16

you know, and so.

46:17

And, and, that is, you

46:19

know, whenever, whenever somebody says, Why,

46:21

why are you not just writing a book, reading

46:24

a book, watching a movie? Why are you spending

46:27

four hours playing a game? It's

46:29

because Evan is at the

46:31

table, Fitz is gonna go try

46:33

to kill some, uh, mutant, uh,

46:35

raccoons, and then,

46:38

and then, dice are rolled,

46:41

dice are rolled, that change

46:44

everything. That can change every

46:46

single thing. But yeah, I mean, just,

46:48

that, it just, it adds,

46:51

I mean, that is life, right? Life is random,

46:53

life is chaotic, but to

46:55

be able to have that little capsule

46:58

of, so maybe that's my favorite thing. Maybe

47:01

that's my favorite thing is just

47:03

for those three hours, good game, bad

47:06

game, whatever it is, you're kind

47:08

of, you're kind

47:10

of like putting the best of you

47:12

into that thing with all the

47:14

randomness and

47:16

Mm hmm.

47:17

Amazing. So fun. gonna

47:19

go I'm gonna go with the first time that we

47:21

played DC20 with Coach, uh,

47:24

the Dungeon Coach, and I'm not saying that because,

47:27

like, it was, you know, immediately

47:30

the best game we had ever experienced, it

47:32

was one of them, certainly, but like, uh,

47:35

it was just such a, I had heard

47:38

about him online, and he seemed

47:40

like a swell fella, and then going

47:42

there, and I just, we had

47:44

played a bunch of really bad games, and

47:47

I just wanted to end it. Gary

47:50

Con on a high. And we

47:52

sat down, and, the, the environment

47:54

was correct. It was not too loud.

47:57

It was later at night and just

48:00

watching him, his brain

48:02

kind of open. He is a great dungeon master. He

48:04

really is. And, and watching his brain kind of

48:06

open up and share this thing I

48:09

thought was going to be another

48:11

Tales of the Valiant, another sort of 5e

48:14

thing, which I You know, like

48:16

I've said, it would have been great, but

48:19

I think that that was

48:21

very fun and I enjoyed it. But

48:23

then what it then meant for us

48:25

all as a team,

48:26

Mm hmm.

48:27

Moving forward. To

48:30

have him on this show, to be able to

48:32

reach out and to say, Well,

48:35

look, we are, we are doing what

48:38

we want and we set out to do

48:40

in 2023, which is get out

48:42

there, go to these conventions, see if we like

48:44

it, meet people, you know, get

48:47

to know people who are as crazy

48:50

passionate about this world as

48:52

we are. And he is one of those. You

48:54

know, he is one of those people. And so, I

48:57

think that was a high for me. And it, plus

48:59

it was a really great one shot. I will say this,

49:01

it was, it was a better one shot than, than

49:03

the, the subsequent one. And the one

49:05

that's in the Alpha. I'll just, side note.

49:07

That's a spicy take. But, his first,

49:10

that was a really fun thing.

49:13

It was, it, it had a lot of, Dimensions

49:16

to it. We were kind of in this forest thing.

49:18

There were, there were running goblins

49:20

on wolves and stuff. So it

49:22

was swinging from trees.

49:25

I would say that that's, that was, that was a

49:27

highlight for me this

49:28

Yeah. Fitz says that game was the

49:30

origin of a lot of what

49:31

Exactly. Thank you. That's a way

49:34

better, of course, way better way

49:37

of putting it than this over explained

49:39

mouth, but yes, it was

49:41

the origin of a lot of things that came. Y'all

49:44

out there came, we

49:46

would not know you if that game hadn't happened,

49:49

um, we would not

49:51

have been as inspired to do what

49:53

we did this year, yeah. That

49:55

win for me.

49:56

Everything that you said. All

49:58

of it.

49:59

Mhm.

50:00

great. All of it wonderful. Um,

50:02

and also, it scratches

50:05

one of my, like, cornerstones

50:07

of my spiritual philosophies,

50:10

which is What is meant for you

50:12

will not pass you by. You

50:14

don't have to chase anything. Like it's

50:16

all just coming to you. And, and

50:19

when I think back about that, there was no

50:21

reason that that session should

50:23

have caught your attention. It wasn't

50:25

particularly well labeled. The,

50:28

the, we've talked about this, the

50:30

UX of the Gary Con signup

50:32

was abysmal. And

50:35

how on earth

50:37

Yeah. How

50:37

you managed to both see

50:40

that it was happening, I saw

50:42

your wheels turning because you and Fitz and I were all

50:44

on Zoom trying to make this happen, and,

50:47

and there was space and we were able just to slide

50:49

right in when everything else was such a like heated

50:52

grab to get seats at any given table

50:55

proves to me like we are moving

50:57

in the direction you that

50:59

we are supposed to be moving in. We were

51:01

always supposed to meet Coach. We were always supposed to

51:03

meet our new friends here. We were always supposed

51:05

to do this weird shit together. Um,

51:09

and like, to exactly what you

51:11

and Fitz just said, it was the origin of kind of like

51:13

what was to come after that, that

51:16

really shaped the rest of the year

51:18

Yeah.

51:19

for me slash us.

51:21

So let's keep it up.

51:23

Okay. Do you

51:25

like wanna come on my podcast some more next

51:27

year?

51:28

Yeah, could I, may I co

51:30

host this podcast with you next year? A couple

51:33

of times maybe?

51:34

maybe? all of the time

51:35

Oh, I'll have to

51:37

check my calendar, dude. I'm

51:40

a very busy person.

51:41

are

51:42

Oh yeah,

51:43

Very busy and important. I

51:49

yeah, yeah. I want, I just

51:51

want more. I mean, I, I truly, last,

51:54

last year was, and the last

51:56

year's podcast, The Farewell,

51:58

was like all these things we wanted to do. I

52:00

just want more of what we did this year. Bigger

52:03

and more and, and, and I

52:06

think there's room. I think we have room in our hearts and I

52:08

think we have room in our, in our, in our

52:10

schedules. We'll make room for it and

52:12

we'll So, yeah, I

52:15

want to meet more people like y'all,

52:17

And that's the thing, like going back to the question about like,

52:19

how can y'all help? Like, yeah, this would be

52:21

the goal that this becomes our

52:24

focus. Like, you know, one

52:26

thing that made me sad is I was looking back

52:28

through Patreon and realizing, like, we

52:30

just haven't had the capacity to do like a blooper

52:32

reel lately, or Yeah. Morning

52:34

announcements, like we want to get back to doing

52:37

more of that stuff, but sometimes like

52:39

we got to actually do client work And stuff like that too. Um,

52:42

so,

52:43

that we're lucky. We know that we're super

52:46

lucky, and we've said that we

52:48

would still be doing this podcast even if we,

52:50

if we never make a dime for it. And

52:52

that's totally true. But

52:55

yes, please, but please, but please.

52:58

Uh, let's all work together to,

53:00

to let this be a

53:02

I'm not saying I want the like, we need

53:04

to make all the money in the world doing it. but I am saying I want

53:07

to do more of it. And in order to be able to do more of it,

53:09

we have to replace some,

53:11

some income with some different

53:13

streams.

53:14

that's cool.

53:15

And yeah I would love it if we could put

53:17

these out, you know, like, what if next year we could have

53:19

like, 24

53:21

episodes of ADHD 20. And

53:24

I would that well that's the goal we did 18, 19

53:27

next year we are on on par

53:29

for especially if we start recording in 2023.

53:32

man what a favor we are doing to 2024

53:34

Matt and Alison yeah

53:40

but I want a bonus reel to

53:42

go with every episode

53:44

do do do do do Yeah,

53:53

those of you who are listening back now. Um,

53:56

for, for, for liking

53:59

this podcast and, and listening to

54:01

it and, and then, you know, thinking

54:03

about it with us and, uh, it's just

54:06

so great. It's the best life.

54:08

Yeah.

54:10

I agree.

54:11

Yep. So, thanks.

54:12

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54:16

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