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1:31

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1:33

please welcome to be a of

1:35

case stage. a titan of Nfl

1:38

statistical analysis. The man whose turn

1:40

to football data into an art

1:42

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1:44

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1:47

the Mississippi. He is Aaron shots

1:49

with a resume. That reads like

1:51

a touchdown drive down memory lane.

1:54

Air and. and his groundbreaking

1:56

work as the founder of football

1:58

outsiders has forever changed way we

2:00

see and understand the game. Now

2:02

Aaron serves as the chief

2:05

analytics officer for FTN fantasy.

2:07

He's also an ESPN plus

2:10

NFL analyst and former radio

2:13

DJ spinning the ones and

2:15

twos countrywide from DVO

2:17

a to D Y A R.

2:19

He's the mastermind behind some of the most

2:22

advanced metrics in the pigskin

2:24

playbook and his insights have

2:26

become essential reading for coaches, players

2:28

and fans alike. So

2:30

grab your playbook and get ready

2:32

to smart up your football IQ as

2:35

we dive straight into the mind of

2:37

the maestro himself. Welcome to Sharon. Let's

2:48

just hop right into it, man. We all know this is

2:51

the football analytic legend

2:53

that has come up with what we like

2:55

to call the DVOA. We've had it

2:57

on the sports show recently

2:59

as well with my brothers and Kurt Benkert. It was an awesome

3:03

episode. But dude, the king of football

3:05

analytics man, can you please explain as I'm

3:07

sure you get this million times as quickly and as

3:09

easily to the audience out there

3:12

what DVOA stands for and D Y

3:14

A R. Yes.

3:17

Okay. DVOA stands for

3:19

defense adjusted value over

3:21

average. And basically how

3:23

it works is I measure the success

3:26

of every play based on the down

3:28

and distance. And then that

3:30

gets compared to a league average

3:32

baseline that's adjusted for situation and

3:34

opponent. And

3:37

then D Y A R stands

3:39

for defense adjusted yards

3:41

above replacement. Basically

3:44

DVOA is the rate stat and

3:46

D Y A R is the

3:48

totals stat. So like if

3:50

you're a player who's average,

3:53

but you carry the ball a lot,

3:55

you still have value because you're carrying

3:57

it instead of some backup who's not

3:59

as good as you. So DYAR

4:02

helps measure that. I

4:04

love that man. And how would you say

4:06

or would you agree with this? Would you

4:09

believe that this this has revolutionized the way

4:11

that we analyze NFL games? I

4:13

definitely think it's part of it. I mean, I've

4:15

been doing it for a long time and the

4:17

certainly spread and there's other advanced stats that

4:20

people use that have

4:22

also helped to revolutionize the way people analyze the

4:24

game. But yeah, I mean, I know a lot

4:27

of people use my DVOA, whether

4:29

it's, you know, people just analyzing beat

4:31

writers want to talk about their teams,

4:33

gamblers, fantasy players, a lot of folks

4:35

use it. And you

4:37

have, speaking of that, I think we

4:39

talked about this as well on the

4:42

sport show. You have a network

4:44

as well, right, the FTN network. And

4:47

that also kind of like, doesn't kind of also

4:49

like pick out, you know, players and

4:51

like uses basically all the DVOA stats

4:53

to create nice little, you

4:55

know, advantages. Yeah,

4:58

FTN fantasy is the best URL to

5:00

use. But that is the website that

5:02

I am with now. And

5:04

you find all my DVOA stats on there.

5:06

And if you're a subscriber, you can get

5:08

a bunch of splits, like not just run

5:10

and pass, but you know, by down or

5:13

by time of game, and stats

5:15

that go all the way back to 1981 for people

5:18

who are interested in history. Oh, that's

5:20

what FTN has a bunch of other fantasy stuff

5:22

too, like advice for DFS

5:24

and advice for betting and other

5:26

sports, not just the NFL, like

5:28

the people who write for FTN

5:30

who do baseball and tennis, and

5:33

hockey, basketball and a bunch of stuff. So

5:35

yeah, I'm looking at the website now you have

5:37

NFL, MLB, NHL. So I'm assuming that are there

5:39

are these like other people within your network that

5:42

use the same principle of DVOA essentially for

5:44

for other sports? So it's not Oh, no, they

5:47

do other things, you know, the type of

5:49

ways that people analyze other sports is different,

5:51

you because you don't have the whole down and

5:53

distance thing the way you would do in football,

5:55

but we just have a lot of fantasy

5:58

analysis, you know, the analysis. for

6:00

football. They take some of the basic ideas

6:02

that help you pick the right DFS players

6:04

and they use that for other sports but

6:07

DVOA is basically a football thing only. Football

6:10

season unfortunately I think I speak for

6:12

for every football fan out there is

6:15

over. Pour one

6:17

out the Super Bowl was I loved it I would

6:19

love to know your thoughts about the Super Bowl. Did

6:21

you bet on it? Were

6:26

you, did you pick the right winner? Like let's

6:28

just dive into this a little bit because I

6:31

did not pick the right winner.

6:33

I said San Francisco slightly. Hmm

6:35

which I think was borne out

6:37

by the fact that the game

6:39

went to overtime. Hmm and

6:41

I liked like one of the bets

6:43

I liked was betting on 49ers other

6:45

than Brock Purdy to win MVP and

6:48

I think that had the 49ers won

6:50

the game that that would have proven

6:52

accurate that somebody other than Purdy would

6:54

have won the MVP but they didn't

6:56

win the game so that's not what

6:58

happened. Oh my goodness wow that's I

7:00

don't even know you could I mean

7:02

I have I have I live in Florida

7:04

so the only app I have down here

7:06

for for betting like Moneyline etc and things

7:08

like that I guess I guess you say

7:10

like a sports book is hard rock and

7:12

that wasn't I don't

7:15

think that was an option. That's a great.

7:17

Florida is running behind other states when it

7:19

comes to betting it's it's gonna come to

7:21

Florida at some point but I know that

7:23

they have to negotiate things with like the

7:25

Seminole Tribe and stuff like that. I had

7:27

the Chiefs I had the Chiefs Moneyline going

7:29

into like preemptively going

7:31

into just put a little put a little little

7:33

sprinkled a little I mean way more than my

7:35

my unit but I had a

7:37

pretty big bet going into it it was gonna be like

7:40

my last large bet of the of the season of course

7:43

and once it went into over so at halftime I

7:45

mean they were down by I think they were just

7:47

just down by a touchdown it was 10-3 at half.

7:49

Yes and the odds were just too delicious

7:51

to not to not

7:53

double down because they were outplayed by

7:56

San Francisco by a lot in the

7:58

first half yeah when Sam San Francisco

8:00

was only up by seven. You're sitting

8:02

there going there's no way they can

8:04

hold Kansas City down for a whole game They

8:07

should be winning by more than this. They're in

8:09

trouble. Yes, and did what you just

8:11

said was echoing in my head So I was

8:13

sober for I did dry January So no drinking

8:15

all that through January and then I also just

8:17

kept up going through to the Super Bowl as

8:19

well So like I have found

8:21

that I have you know people could not

8:24

to say that people can't drink and you know have self-control I

8:27

as a sports better I found

8:29

that I would make just very

8:31

stupid last-minute decision Just like oh,

8:34

but you know what screw it 500 on this right and then

8:36

it misses and you're like, oh my god but

8:38

like as you know being sober for the last couple

8:40

of months that That went down

8:42

drastically and I can say that like soberly I was

8:44

super confident going in at halftime I was like dude

8:46

thousand on the Chiefs plus 350 for 4,000 I

8:50

love that and then at what do once I

8:52

went into overtime. I was just

8:54

like there's just no way Right when

8:56

it went it when OTC struck I was like there's

8:59

no shot Brock Purdy and the Niners

9:01

who have struggled against every single team along the

9:03

way Are gonna win this against the

9:05

Chiefs Chiefs or captain captain clutch my homes I

9:07

like Andy Reid over I over pretty much

9:10

anyone and I doubled down at

9:12

OT as well and that paid off So that

9:14

was um, I really enjoy that There definitely was

9:16

the feeling once it went in overtime that my

9:18

homes was a little bit inevitable that it was

9:20

gonna come down and especially once The

9:24

49ers the pass rush Chris Jones got to Brock

9:26

Purdy on what was like third and four I

9:28

think and then they had to kick a field

9:30

goal and I was like, oh here we go

9:34

My home is gonna drive even though he had only

9:36

driven for like one touchdown the rest of the game

9:38

You were like you knew he was yeah, it was

9:41

gonna happen. You just kind of knew it was gonna

9:43

happen Okay, so this is actually

9:45

an interesting Concept of EV

9:47

away. So if you obviously takes the entirety of the

9:49

game Have you ever thought about doing or

9:51

do you already do? Like

9:54

quarter analysis is right like

9:56

like it's surprisingly

9:58

unpredictable It's

10:01

surprisingly, like you would think

10:03

that who, being good,

10:05

particularly good in the fourth quarter or overtime

10:07

or being particularly good in the first quarter

10:09

would be like a real thing. But

10:12

it's not, like it matters a little

10:14

bit in the first quarter because of

10:16

the way that teams script their first

10:18

15 plays. So

10:21

there's a little bit of predictive quality

10:23

when teams are particularly good in the

10:25

first quarter, but otherwise it actually, doing

10:27

quarter by quarter analysis doesn't have any

10:29

predictive ability. I mean, that's,

10:31

I'm not glad that sounds, that's like astonishing

10:34

to hear because you really would think that

10:36

it is predictable that you could kind

10:38

of dive in and get

10:40

the analytics and carve teams

10:42

out by quarter. Yeah,

10:45

it makes logical sense, but it's not. It

10:47

just doesn't happen that way. Oh

10:49

man, that's a shame, that's a shame, man, because

10:51

there's a lot of like, as I've

10:53

been getting into sports betting a lot more, I know there's

10:55

like, there's first quarter bets, first half bets, third quarter bets,

10:57

et cetera. And that would

10:59

really be, that would be super helpful. For

11:02

the next season, man, which I am just, dude, this

11:04

is my first year of sports betting, and I'm a

11:06

very good, I'm a good, I

11:11

don't think there's a good word for this,

11:13

but I'm a good frickin' responsible husband with

11:15

my wife, right, we set a limit, we

11:18

bet within our means, all that stuff, which

11:20

keeps it fun, and honestly just makes it more fun

11:23

to watch personally. But you know, to use our own,

11:25

what are you most, literally

11:28

I'm jumping all over the place, but what are

11:30

you most excited about now, since obviously you're the

11:32

king of football analytics when it comes to this DVO,

11:34

what are you most excited to watch now going into

11:37

the rest of this, until the next football season? Like

11:39

what's your go-to sport? Oh, for the

11:41

off season? I

11:43

watch, I don't watch as much sports as I used

11:46

to, I watch a little bit of baseball, I watch

11:48

basketball when it gets to the playoffs. You

11:51

know, it helps, I'm in Massachusetts,

11:53

and the Celtics are really good,

11:55

they're major championship contenders, so you

11:58

know, probably. I'll probably go far in

12:01

the playoffs and I'll get to watch a lot

12:03

of that. Probably more of a baseball guy but

12:06

I tend to watch other stuff in the

12:08

off-season. I tend to watch all the streaming

12:11

shows that I didn't watch for months because

12:13

I was watching football games all the time.

12:16

All right, so it's just

12:18

literally a full-blown off-season. You're just catching up on all

12:20

the shows. That's cool, man. I'm freaking hooked. I'm watching

12:22

everything. I'm trying to get as

12:24

much knowledge as possible. I skipped

12:26

years of sports knowledge

12:28

and watching with my brothers and my family just because I

12:31

would just do nothing but play video games. Yeah,

12:33

my brother's like that. He's a musician and

12:36

he never followed sports when we were growing

12:38

up, whereas I was this total sports addict.

12:41

Then he had a son who became a

12:43

real sports fan and plays basketball. Now all

12:45

of a sudden their whole family is totally

12:47

into sports over the last couple years, which

12:50

is very strange for me. There's nothing

12:52

like watching a game with family and everyone actually

12:54

has some general interest. I

12:56

will say one of my biggest bad pieces is just

12:58

when people are not interested

13:01

at all but they're

13:03

there and it's like, thank God my wife

13:05

has gotten much... Honestly,

13:10

she's just gotten more into football, which is

13:12

great. She was a Packers

13:14

fan growing up. I got her into football more,

13:17

I would say. Every time we would watch the

13:19

games together, as obviously I'm a Lions fan, she

13:21

still didn't know all the rules and all the

13:23

penalties, etc. She's full

13:25

blown now. Whenever she's in the room, it's

13:27

always great. We love football songs. She's

13:30

asking me questions about...or anyone for that

13:33

matter. I have a huge group of people around me

13:35

that actually enjoy watching the games and pay attention. But

13:38

that's great. A little bit back on

13:40

track, man. Through your work with FTN,

13:42

what are some challenges that you faced

13:44

in bringing statistical analysis to a wider

13:47

audience? Yeah, I mean

13:49

it's always been...the biggest

13:51

problem was always

13:54

explaining it, right? Because

13:57

you do these numbers and you have to figure out

13:59

a way to... The to present them the

14:01

people will understand and then you have to

14:03

come up with names for them. That.

14:05

People understand like the fact is,

14:07

if I started now I probably

14:10

wouldn't call it Tv away I

14:12

called something simpler but after twenty

14:14

years it's sort of success on

14:16

how to suck with it but

14:18

explaining advanced stats and how they

14:20

work and what they mean. To.

14:22

People can be difficult. That's why

14:24

it's I. Have everything

14:26

revolves around zero because the

14:28

ideas that positive means more

14:30

scoring and negative means less

14:32

scoring and I figure. People.

14:35

Know that. You know people,

14:37

the idea that zero was average make

14:39

sense. I also do a lot when

14:42

I talk about stats. I do a

14:44

lot of giving a rank because of

14:46

I tell You that the lions are

14:48

twenty three percent. You have no idea

14:51

what that means. Rise and Microscopy. Iron

14:53

Fist. You. Know what that means to

14:55

their third yes, themes in their fifth. Mother.

14:57

Does I'm in the eye? makes it makes perfect

14:59

sense. And and to someone like me that. Again,

15:02

Or Np noticed this the to a

15:04

let's get a little. you know the

15:06

little broader here are a citizen acts

15:08

are you know and usually when it

15:10

comes a broad percentages are usually massively.

15:12

there can be misconstrued and can be

15:15

altered or we know whatever. Like it

15:17

misconstrued by not be the right word,

15:19

misleading span. I love that. Yeah the

15:21

rank food rankings is easy. It's simple,

15:23

I get it on. you know groups

15:25

how their brothers obviously in every week.

15:27

Ah going into the Lions game Chris

15:29

or Xinjiang would be like wiser Sixty

15:31

or a. Pass Rusher good. saw you know those

15:33

and it's like I think we got a chance and.

15:36

I I'll I'll other I love it and it's very easy to

15:38

understand so ya to give it a great job with that. Do

15:41

just Harper I mean you know for for sits

15:43

in digs man what are what would you call

15:45

it Now If you in you can take your

15:47

time as well. I don't know. probably that's just.

15:49

A fish and see your power

15:52

ranking her. I don't

15:54

think is evidently common people. People

15:56

who do. People who do college

15:58

ratings kinda put their name. The name

16:00

of their rating but Vienna now people don't

16:02

tend to do that. I mean E S

16:04

P N cause there's the Football Power index

16:06

that's kind of a cool name for pop

16:09

our at that p I did. yeah so

16:11

that's shorter right? That's a little shorter. I

16:13

called something a little shorter. probably a yeah

16:15

I can't imagine. Did what you would call

16:17

this. Ah, I am against screwing around when

16:19

I started. you know, media like my goofy

16:21

little hobby. I never thought it would turn

16:23

into a living so I didn't like give

16:26

a lot of thought to what I called

16:28

things. Look, aren't' so. Expanding.

16:31

Off of that how or when would

16:33

you say that like dvořak News creating

16:35

this this way to you know analyze

16:37

teams when did it take off season

16:39

of even to this route twenty years

16:41

so how long until it like really

16:43

became like a moment where you are

16:45

just like while like people are really

16:47

respecting this on these analytics and and

16:49

what this means like to keep you

16:51

in smugly. When I started

16:54

my old site in two

16:56

thousand and three. I.

16:58

Was able to get enough attention that

17:01

when I lost my job in two

17:03

thousand and four I was able to

17:05

start doing this full time. So he

17:07

like I quickly got enough attention that

17:09

I could actually make a living doing

17:12

this writing. I was writing for various

17:14

different places, how could then Once we

17:16

reached a certain level then it was

17:18

very slow. To. Bills.

17:21

It was a few years before I

17:23

started having a lot of people in

17:25

the league kind of pay attention Like

17:28

a Jim Schwartz paid attention very early.

17:30

He was defensive coordinator The Tennessee Titans

17:32

is now the defensive coordinator of the

17:34

Cleveland Browns, but it took a while

17:36

to more people paid attention. So.

17:39

That kind of ramped up. Slowly.

17:41

But things have pretty really exploded in the

17:43

last. like. Eight or nine years. Ah,

17:46

I'm noticing that you last saw you

17:48

last our gym. swords, female blinds. I

17:50

don't. Get. Any particular reason

17:53

I had coach Yeah, this is

17:55

this. Ah man else. And.

17:57

He did. He did. I liked him. I

18:00

liked him, he was much better than the

18:02

pencil pusher. But dude, so that's,

18:04

first off, congratulations. That's honestly, so we'll

18:06

talk about timing, talk about, it's just

18:09

perfect, right? You start in the sub, you're doing, going out

18:11

on a limb here, creating something like this, and then you

18:13

lose your job, but you're in a position

18:15

to financially continue to do that. That's

18:18

incredible, man. And like, you're

18:20

talking, you said that you were a writer, so

18:22

how would that work? So you would create these stats, right?

18:24

Essentially create these little articles going into the week by week,

18:26

and then would put these, what

18:28

do you think they do? Yeah, I

18:31

had my own site, and within a year or

18:33

two, we were having premium subscriptions. But mostly I

18:35

made my money, I wrote

18:37

for ESPN for a year, and

18:39

then I wrote for Fox Sports, and

18:42

I also wrote for a newspaper called The

18:44

New York Sun. It was

18:46

this newspaper that came out in the mid 2000s

18:49

that was trying to be like a

18:51

conservative alternative to the New York Times.

18:54

But of course, there's no political, you know,

18:56

there's no conservative angle to sports. So

18:59

what the sports ended up people ended up

19:01

doing is they ended

19:03

up hiring all the analytics people from all

19:05

the sports, and that was the

19:08

sports staff. Was all analytics

19:10

people like John Hollinger and the

19:12

baseball prospectus people, and

19:14

me and my crew. So we

19:17

put together this really great sports section for

19:19

a couple of years. That's awesome.

19:21

What were those years? Like what was the span? It

19:24

was like 05 to like 08, 09. 09,

19:27

dude. 09, let it

19:29

shine. That was my high school

19:31

opposite. I was a senior in high

19:34

school, it was my high school graduation. I know, I'm

19:36

an old man. I'm an old man. It's so weird.

19:38

Like, don't write, man. This year I

19:40

met a kid who's gotten famous doing

19:42

football analysis on TikTok, who's 23, and

19:46

I'm like, you could

19:48

be my kid. Like that's crazy. Literally,

19:50

yeah. It's crazy, yeah. Technically,

19:53

he could give you a grandkid at that

19:55

age, if we're really

19:57

getting into it. So that's interesting. Was he

19:59

like, did you? like respect and you know you

20:01

don't have to name this person as well either

20:03

but did you like respect and like appreciate what

20:05

he do you guys talk about how he analyzes

20:07

compared to yours or yeah a little bit he's

20:09

more of a film guy I don't remember his

20:11

name people probably may know

20:14

who I'm talking about if you think of

20:16

guys on tick-tock who really got started on

20:18

tick-tock but he was able to get

20:20

enough of a following that he was able to

20:23

leave school and do this full time

20:25

and oh that's I admire you know

20:28

it's the same honestly it's the same

20:30

kind of hard work hard

20:32

scrabble beginning that I you know when I

20:34

built my career so I you know you

20:36

just do it differently now you do it

20:38

on tick-tock rather than with websites so right

20:40

I definitely appreciate the guy's work have

20:43

oh my just creating a website back in the early 2000s

20:45

hard pass I feel like just I feel like you were

20:47

just so limited at the time although I never know right

20:50

there was no like social media

20:52

to use to get attention so like

20:54

I would like randomly email baseball analytics

20:57

people and be like guess

20:59

what the world is not end with the

21:01

end of the world series you should come

21:03

read my site and like tell your followers

21:05

to come read about this other sport like

21:07

that's how I promoted myself because there you

21:09

know there was no Instagram no

21:12

Facebook no Twitter nothing like that

21:14

crazy just my space bro you

21:16

could have just been sending my

21:18

face friend of quest or my

21:20

space no no topic you're making

21:22

Zanga posts that man like that

21:24

was like the first Wow

21:26

that is waking me up dude I feel

21:29

I told at 32 right now but

21:31

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21:34

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23:41

You add the Superbowl. Yes,

23:43

I'm a stadium. Yeah, I

23:45

wanted an electorate. Oh

23:48

yeah, oh yeah. and I mean a

23:50

little electric with the the caviar that

23:52

I think it was about two thirds

23:54

Forty Niners fans of did go home

23:56

happy. know so you would say that

23:59

the chiefs are away Essentially in terms of the home

24:01

I think it was more of a little bit of an away

24:03

game But the 49ers fans were definitely

24:05

louder. I mean there were plenty of Chiefs fans

24:07

there I certainly they celebrated when it was all

24:09

over but It's a

24:11

nice stadium a Legion Stadium in Vegas, you know,

24:14

we were up the Auxiliary press

24:16

boxes in the corner kind of high up, but you

24:18

still have pretty good view of the game from

24:20

there Dude, I imagine that

24:22

she fans are there just so used to winning bro

24:24

And when they're not in the lead and when they're

24:26

not, you know, like the game isn't over They're just

24:29

not cheering as much. Yeah, you know

24:33

You save money and then

24:35

your team makes the Super Bowl and you're

24:38

like, this is it I'm gonna spend my

24:40

nest egg on your Super Bowl and

24:42

then they do it again And you're like, I

24:44

don't have that money anymore to spend Again

24:47

and you're like, well if I paid up for

24:49

it twice I definitely don't have the money to

24:51

do it a third time and then they do

24:53

it again And now you really don't have the

24:56

money So I definitely understand why

24:58

49ers fans travel a little bit better

25:00

than she's been Oh for sure The Niners

25:02

are ready for that for that victory.

25:04

I remember like I did the reason I love social media

25:06

so much Is it just like it's there

25:08

the Internet nothing leaves the Internet, right? It's that you

25:11

post it once it's on there forever And there was

25:13

a sound by George kiddo saying like after they lost

25:15

like four years ago, like I'll be back here I

25:17

will be back again. This is not over for me

25:19

and he did he made it back and they lost

25:23

Again and so close.

25:25

I mean this was I mean the last

25:27

one was close, but this one was, you

25:29

know, ridiculously close So I heard that the

25:31

Niners I don't know if you heard this as

25:33

well that they didn't even know the overtime rules or

25:35

most of the players I have read that I have

25:38

read that and I don't know whether that's true It

25:41

would have been very strange if they had scored

25:43

a touchdown on that first drive and everyone's ready

25:46

Super Bowl and someone they would

25:48

have had to go out there and tell them you did

25:50

not just win the Super Bowl The

25:52

other team has to tie you. Yeah, that

25:54

would have been interesting. That would have

25:57

been a nice clean Oh, no, that would have been so much that

25:59

would have do that would have been forever

26:01

the moment that like just everyone would

26:03

remember the Niners for the premature

26:07

premature celebration man. All right

26:10

um here's some random football random

26:12

football funness so we're gonna throw

26:14

some questions your way man. Who

26:16

do you think is the greatest

26:18

Super Bowl champ of all time

26:20

and why? The 1991 Washington

26:23

Redskins. Really?

26:26

Yes underrated team they

26:28

were fabulous

26:30

in all three phases. So in the

26:32

history of DVOA going back to 1981

26:37

they are among the top 50 teams

26:39

in offense defense and special

26:41

teams. They were phenomenally

26:44

well rounded team just fabulous

26:46

one huge the playoff wins were

26:48

huge too. I would say the

26:50

85 Bears are second. The

26:53

85 Bears I'm you know what dude I miss when

26:55

the Bears were good I mean I mean I wasn't

26:57

even born in the 85 I was born in 91

26:59

but I still remember there's there's just some you know

27:01

Devin Hester days like that

27:03

was that was such a fun era

27:07

and it felt like it was so short-lived

27:09

too just super unfortunate. I'm staring at just

27:11

quick little google right now dude they were

27:13

points four they had 485 all

27:15

year they were first of 28 and

27:17

then points against 1991 Washington yeah yeah

27:21

1991 Washington number one scoring points against

27:23

second of 20 I mean yeah that's

27:25

what you expect. Yeah

27:27

that was a great great team and people

27:30

don't think of it as much because for

27:32

example they didn't really have a superstar

27:34

quarterback they just were incredibly well rounded all

27:36

across the all across the roster.

27:39

All right final question this one for

27:42

the random football fun funness man if you could

27:44

create and this one this is right up your

27:46

alley Aaron all right if you could

27:48

create a new rule for the NFL what would

27:50

it be? Oh it

27:52

would be to get rid of a rule. I

27:55

would get rid of all excessive celebration

27:57

rules. Oh I love that. I

28:00

let them celebrate. I don't

28:02

care if they celebrate after the touch. I don't care

28:04

if they use the football as a prop. I don't

28:07

like hate excessive celebration

28:09

rules so much. And

28:11

then would you pin that

28:13

or like pair that up with – would

28:17

you pair that up with like taunting or no?

28:19

Is taunting still? Yeah, I probably would – I

28:22

mean I don't want guys like drawing their

28:24

finger across their throat or anything, but like

28:26

if you stand over a guy for two

28:28

seconds, they throw a flag for taunting.

28:31

Like you – sometimes you end up taunting by

28:33

accident. Like it doesn't – you know, I –

28:35

yeah, I'm not a big fan of taunting penalties

28:37

either. I'll have to

28:39

agree. I think there are some that are like – I can

28:41

imagine as a player that's on the ground as somebody standing over

28:43

me for three or four seconds, I'm like, you

28:46

know, you're a grown man,

28:48

right? You're playing for – you know,

28:50

playing at the top of your game and here's this

28:52

like 200-pound dude just standing above you. I feel like

28:54

that's pretty – I

28:56

just want to beat the shit out of the guy. But

28:59

you know, I mean if you don't like it, go out and

29:01

win the game. But I don't feel

29:03

as strongly about that as I do about

29:05

like he used the football as

29:08

a prop, so that's 15 yards.

29:10

It's really dumb. I'll

29:12

have to agree with you there, man. I hate those –

29:14

I hate dumb penalties. I also hate that a holding call

29:16

is 15 yards – or no, it's not 15 yards. It's

29:18

like I think it's 10, but it

29:20

should be five. I think – holy should be

29:22

five. I think – J.J.

29:26

Watt's idea is that they should call

29:28

holding more often, but it should

29:30

only be five. I love that. I mean,

29:32

yeah, there's holding on every play. Everyone says that. But

29:35

yeah, you're getting these stars, man, like – I

29:38

mean, I don't mean to say them. There's so

29:40

many. You're getting all these megastars who are just

29:42

some of the top most aggressive, talented, just these

29:44

absolute psychos that are getting held every single play.

29:47

And you're only calling the egregious ones, but

29:49

it's like it's affecting the game every single

29:51

play for these types of guys.

29:54

And I agree, and there needs to be – as

29:56

a Aiden Hutchinson fan being one of them, it's very

29:58

frustrating to see the game. just

30:01

get absolutely mauled every

30:03

play and maybe get one

30:05

flog. And he's

30:07

still leading like that. He was still leading. They're not

30:09

the only fan of a pass rusher who feels that

30:11

way. Right, I mean a lot of great teams have

30:14

that one guy and no it's

30:16

super annoying. Kind of

30:18

like talking about rules, touching on

30:20

what did you think about the year

30:22

where they allowed challenging

30:26

interference and they didn't

30:28

turn over a single one. Yeah, that was

30:30

weird. I mean I think

30:33

it was a good idea. I thought it was

30:35

a great idea. In fact none of them got

30:37

overturned. It was like why did we do this

30:39

in the first place? Like there's definitely interference. Interference

30:41

is a huge gain. Can be a

30:44

huge gain and there's some of them that aren't

30:46

interference. I

30:49

mean I would rather, I don't want

30:51

them constantly looking for interference all the

30:53

time but when they call it

30:55

and it was, I want them to

30:57

be able to take it away if it turns

31:00

out it wasn't interference. Right, I mean I think

31:02

that, I feel like there's two ways you can

31:04

fix this problem. You can fix it by switching

31:06

to the college rules where at most it's 15

31:08

yards. So you get rid of

31:10

the Aaron Rodgers special where he hooks it up 80 yards.

31:13

I think that is the Flacco special but

31:15

yeah. Flacco special, dude, it's

31:17

the Aaron Rodgers special to me because it

31:20

happens so often against the Lions. Yeah, I

31:22

guess that's true. Flacco used to do that

31:24

all the time with Torrey Smith. He used

31:26

to have tons of DPI's. Yeah,

31:28

it was literally, and we have Kurt

31:30

Benkert on the show and he talked

31:33

about, literally on the show, and he talked about how,

31:35

yeah, he was known for it. It was always in

31:37

his head and it was just like, I feel like

31:39

a lot of teams don't do it as much where

31:41

it's like, it's fourth quarter, 20 seconds left.

31:43

You have zero time out, you have to go 80 yards.

31:46

You're under throw a guy by two yards and when he

31:48

comes back to the ball he runs in a defender. Mm-hmm,

31:51

it did. It happened so often against the Lions. I mean,

31:53

the amount of times we were leading in the fourth and

31:55

then Aaron did that, I don't want to... I'm

31:58

actually getting sick to my stomach thinking about it, dude. All

32:00

right, we've talked about football for the last,

32:03

I mean, almost 40 minutes here, man. Let's

32:05

talk a little bit about life outside of football, dude. So apart from

32:07

the greatest game of all time, what

32:10

are some of your other interests or

32:12

hobbies that your fans might not know

32:14

about? Oh, um,

32:16

let's see. You

32:18

know, I play video games like everybody else.

32:22

Mostly in RPGs, I think I'm playing Yakuza

32:25

right now, or I guess it's called like

32:27

a dragon now in infinite wealth, like a

32:29

dragon infinite wealth. And

32:32

I just bought myself a retro arcade machine.

32:34

It was my present to myself after the

32:37

season. First

32:39

off, congrats. That's awesome. Great purchase.

32:42

Dude, I've actually seen some people play

32:44

this on some of the people that I

32:46

watch on Twitch for playing this. Yeah, like a dragon infinite wealth. Yeah.

32:50

Yep. Nice, nice,

32:52

nice, dude. Yeah, it's a lot of fun

32:54

and totally makes me want to visit

32:57

Japan and Hawaii. The new game

32:59

takes place in Hawaii and Japan and I'm

33:01

like, oh my god. Do you play

33:03

that? I'm kind of a foodie. Hell

33:05

yeah. Kind of a foodie. Speaking of Japan

33:07

and Hawaii and reasons I want to visit

33:09

them. So I do

33:11

like going out to eat to interesting

33:13

ethnic foods that I've never had before.

33:16

Dude, let's get it. While we're on the food

33:18

business, dude, I am a strong believer. I

33:21

love anime and a lot of anime and Japanese culture,

33:23

dude. It is about... It

33:26

is surrounded by food. If there's one common

33:30

theme in anime, it is that

33:32

every character or at some point

33:34

there's someone that is obsessed with

33:36

food. I agree and many a truth

33:38

is spoken in jest or whatever. Something

33:41

something. There's a saying for that. I think that

33:43

one of the main reasons to live is to

33:45

eat good cuisine and to

33:48

try good food. So what is your go to

33:50

meal, bro? You're on death row. What

33:53

do you got, man? Sushi.

33:55

I mean, what kind? Foxy, man. What's

33:58

your favorite role? tuna. I

34:00

like salmon stuff. I

34:05

like it very basic, just the rice and the

34:07

veg. Do you like the wasabi? Do you dip

34:10

it in wasabi a little bit or do you sprinkle a little with that?

34:12

A little bit of wasabi, yeah. Oh yeah, dude. So

34:14

here's a little. I like basically every Asian cuisine, you

34:17

know, including the lesser known ones like Vietnamese

34:19

and stuff. Like it's just all really good

34:21

stuff. Dude, here's a little, I

34:23

don't know if you know, my brother John, he

34:25

doesn't teach me a lot of things, but he taught

34:28

me this one thing. Dude, putting the wasabi in

34:30

the soy sauce and then just

34:32

mixing it up in the soy sauce. Like, yeah, take

34:34

the whole, yeah, I've never, I didn't know. I was

34:37

never, I was turned onto that. And

34:39

it was, you know, it was a, it was

34:41

game changing experience. So for those listeners out there,

34:43

try it out. If you,

34:45

it can't get annoying, dude. You know what I mean? Using chopsticks,

34:47

placing a little piece of wasabi on every single roll. No, no,

34:49

no, you mix it with the soy sauce and then the soy

34:51

sauce, get a little bite to it. Mm

34:54

hmm. I'm trying to cut back on my

34:56

soy. So unfortunately I don't do

34:58

that very often, but it, when I was doing

35:00

that, bro, delicious, man. There's

35:02

this sushi place. If you ever, if you ever come

35:05

down here and there's a sushi place that

35:07

like your typical spicy tuna roll dude is just,

35:10

well, it's like seaweed rice and then a little bit

35:12

of tune inside, right? Mix it with some sriracha or

35:14

whatever, you know, throw a cucumber in there and there's

35:16

your roll. Dude, this place they

35:19

do their spicy tuna roll. It's the same thing with

35:21

like, they put this like a little asparagus through the

35:23

whole roll, this very long piece of asparagus and then

35:25

they load it with tuna. So it's like a lot

35:27

of fricking tuna. And then they put a fresh, a

35:30

fresh slice on top as well, dude. So

35:32

you're getting, you're getting some legitimate, you

35:34

know, you're getting some bang for your buck here is what I'm trying to

35:36

say. There's an all you can

35:38

eat. There's an all you can eat sushi

35:40

place in Natick, Massachusetts called

35:43

Monado. That is my, that is my restaurant of

35:45

choice. That's where I go to celebrate things. I

35:47

love it, dude. Oh man, I

35:49

got plenty down here. We love, I love

35:52

this place, man. Who's your favorite? And this

35:54

is just off the cost, man. Who's your

35:56

favorite like sports show analyst or

35:58

sports show analyst? Show whatever surrounding the NFL

36:00

during the during the season that you like

36:02

to listen to or that you think has

36:04

like the most validity I

36:07

mean, I love like analyzing. I love Mina

36:09

Kimes and Dominique Foxworth Greg

36:13

Olson is the best color commentator

36:15

at this point Definitely

36:17

nice. Okay, so you're not a right. Okay.

36:19

I don't want to say you're not a

36:21

Romo fan But like who's your who's your

36:24

who's your best? Wombo combo that you would

36:26

love to have casting a Sunday night game

36:29

Oh, I probably

36:32

if I could put Kevin Harlan together

36:34

with Greg Olson It's

36:38

good that's a good Wombo it's good combo man, I'm

36:40

a huge fan I don't care what anyone says dude

36:42

I like Joe Buck man I

36:45

love his voice dude. I can fall asleep To

36:48

his voice ever any at

36:50

any game. It's the you know when your team's

36:52

already lost. I'm sad Well believe

36:54

that they don't lose as much anymore So I don't know why

36:56

I said that but that's how it used to be I always

36:58

felt like I was just the Lions lose at noon We never

37:00

had any prime-time games I would be drunk

37:02

and I would just fall asleep and then year comes

37:04

Joe Buck and we got a great one for

37:06

you Lambo it was always Lambo

37:09

because the Packers are always good And

37:12

even this year man, I think we talked about on

37:14

the show to God man They can't they can they

37:16

just be bad once can they go three and freaking

37:18

14 one time like Did

37:23

we all be 80s That's

37:27

that's that's when the Packers were lame It

37:30

really it was it was a thing once upon

37:32

a time. That's a miracle dude That's I can't

37:34

stand Packers fan most of them most of them.

37:36

I just feel like they're just so It's

37:40

one of those they have this I

37:43

don't say they and see for everyone, but I

37:45

will they have this way of talking

37:47

about their team. It's annoying It's like when you

37:50

go. So like let's say you just take a

37:52

tournament right? I like let's just a video game

37:54

tournament and there's one of the best

37:56

players in is in the tournament Right and he

37:58

gets interviewed before the tournament And someone's like, how

38:00

do you think you're going to do? What are your

38:02

expectations going out? You know, and they go and, and,

38:05

and by the way, they know they're the best player in the

38:07

world and they know that

38:09

they're probably going to win, right? Like they're probably going to

38:12

get top two, top three in the tournament. But their answer

38:14

to the interview question is, I mean,

38:16

you know, just, you know, just, just give

38:18

it my all and have some fun. And you know,

38:20

if I, you know, if we win great, but you

38:22

know, we're probably not going to win and

38:25

then they win. Right. And then it's like, so

38:27

like, if they lose. It can

38:30

be, they can be like, Oh, well, you know,

38:32

you saw the interview and you saw like, I

38:34

know we probably didn't expect to win and that's

38:36

Packer sense. That's Packer sense. They, even when they're

38:38

losing, that's how they act. They're like,

38:41

Oh, well we suck anyways. We knew we were

38:43

going to lose. Like we're trying. Fans are a

38:45

little like that too, by the way, that's

38:48

because they're pissed that they aren't good anymore, man. They're

38:50

just enough. He was fans like more

38:52

than any other fan base get angry. If you

38:55

say good things about their team, it's

38:57

very weird. They want to find negative. Yeah.

39:00

I mean, they've never been, that's crazy too, because

39:02

with my common, they've been literally a 50% win

39:05

rate team for got like forever, right? I

39:07

mean, every single year, what

39:09

is that like, dude? I mean, we're getting

39:11

there. I, I really am excited. This

39:13

is kind of just jumping all over the place, but I'm

39:15

really excited to see. Um, just the

39:17

next couple of years of the lions, man. I mean, you

39:20

know, with Dan being there for, I think this

39:22

was his third year. He had, you know, obviously

39:24

first year wolf, right? Um, you know, he's just

39:27

trying to get the, get the ball

39:29

rolling second year, like what nine to nine

39:31

or 10 and nine, I think, or no, it was not 10 and nine,

39:33

uh, nine and eight, nine and eight, five and one

39:35

in the division. And we didn't advance

39:37

the playoffs. I love that. What's the point of a division, by

39:40

the way? Um, you winner, if you

39:42

win more than the player team above you and you don't make it,

39:44

um, but yeah, that, and

39:46

then now we have a fricking dude, we're in the NFC

39:49

championship, like what's the next

39:51

three years going to look like? I hope it's just

39:53

consistent. That's all I care about. You know, very good.

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big believer in bed Johnson. And I'll

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final segment of

41:34

this or that and

41:37

some other questions

41:42

to finish off

41:48

the show, man. So Aaron, again, just thank you for being here,

41:50

but I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Yeah,

41:52

man. Absolutely, dude. It's literally,

41:55

it's always been a pleasure. I've been trying to just

41:57

surround myself with incredibly intelligent people when it comes to

41:59

sports analytics and. Especially football so this has

42:01

been this has been really cool for me.

42:04

So jumping into this or that man and

42:06

there You can answer these as long

42:08

or the little as you want by the way Tom

42:11

Brady or Peyton Manning lady

42:16

All right Star Wars or Star Trek I'm

42:20

more of a Star Trek guy actually Is

42:22

that because you think do you think that's because you did

42:25

you like watch Star Trek earlier as a kid or or?

42:28

I'm just not into all the prequels and I

42:31

wasn't really into the sequels and I'm not into

42:33

any I just like the original Three Star Wars

42:35

movies and all the other stuff doesn't do it

42:37

for me Whereas I feel Star Trek makes much

42:39

more sense as an extended universe. Wow,

42:42

that's actually an incredible answer And

42:45

I love that Watching a game

42:47

at the stadium or hosting

42:49

a game day party at home Stadium

42:52

because honestly, it's hard for me to watch with

42:54

a lot of people at home because I've got

42:57

to be paying more attention Mmm

43:00

more of a stadium guy Dude,

43:03

I don't know man. I think I'm a little bit of but I you

43:05

know, I'm a little bit of both I'm just plus and minuses to both.

43:09

I like if you lose at home You just go into

43:11

the other room and do whatever But

43:13

there's nothing worse than that lost lost watch, you know, you're

43:15

going to your Patriots game You're there and you get blown

43:17

out and it's like well now I got to go home

43:19

and God knows How long that travel day is Prime

43:23

time Sunday night game or a

43:25

thanks did Thanksgiving Day game. I

43:28

Think Thanksgiving Day game I can pay more

43:31

attention to because Sunday nights I have to

43:33

be working on breaking down the day's numbers

43:35

whereas Thanksgiving I can just pay

43:37

attention and usually watch with my nephews

43:40

and Really enjoy it. Cool.

43:42

I mean, I'm gonna have to agree with you.

43:45

There's nothing like a Thanksgiving Day session, man Of

43:48

good old football NFL Draft

43:50

Day or free agency frenzy

43:53

more of a free agency guy You

43:56

know, you can't learn about

43:58

everything. It's just too much And

44:00

the thing that I skimp on is the

44:02

draft. I do not know much about these

44:04

kids until they get drafted

44:06

and I know what teams they're on. Like

44:09

I do not have a lot of draft opinions. So I'm definitely more of

44:11

a free agency guy. Okay. Okay.

44:14

Early bird or a night owl? I

44:17

used to be a night owl and now I'm an early

44:19

bird and it's weird. I

44:22

could say that if you, to the night owls out

44:24

there, to the people that have to work night jobs

44:26

and they go to bed when the sun's up, I

44:28

got a lot of admiration for those types of people,

44:31

man. It is because I used to be on that

44:33

grind when I was a kid, streaming

44:35

10, 12 years ago. And

44:37

I just felt like I didn't

44:40

feel human. I think it's kind of how I

44:42

like to explain it. I felt different.

44:44

It felt weird. I would

44:46

be going to bed when my parents were waking up at 6 a.m. It

44:50

just felt very degenerate-y. Maybe it's because

44:53

I was playing video games and not

44:55

actually doing something important. That

44:57

is what we... Alright.

45:00

Moving on to our final questions, man. Are the

45:02

Detroit Lions winning the 2025 Super Bowl?

45:06

I have to know. I mean, it's not likely,

45:08

but they certainly got a shot. They're one of

45:11

the teams with a shot. Like you have something

45:13

to root for. There's no question. Like you can

45:15

go into next season thinking like

45:17

we're one of the contenders. Yes.

45:19

Yes. Yes. I

45:22

mean, it's not that it's weird even thinking that. This is kind of a... So

45:25

this is... Okay. But

45:28

I feel like let's just say who's the best... How

45:30

do we want to say who's the best quarterback? Because we know

45:32

that's my home. Who do you think is the best wide receiver

45:35

in the NFL right now? Or offensive player rather? Ooh.

45:39

Tyreek Hill. Yes.

45:42

I love that answer. I'm a huge Hill fan.

45:45

Alright. If you were stranded on

45:47

a desert island with one NFL player past

45:49

or present, who would it be and why?

45:53

You know, they sent me a couple of these questions ahead

45:55

of time and I thought about this for a while and

45:57

I'm like, if I was on

45:59

a desert island... I would want someone who I

46:01

think would be really interesting to talk to. So

46:05

I thought Colin Allred,

46:09

the former Tennessee Titans linebacker

46:11

who's now a Senate candidate

46:13

in Texas, would

46:16

be a really interesting guy to talk

46:19

to, plus he's built like a linebacker

46:22

so he can take care of the physical

46:24

needs of being on the island. But

46:26

you get both. There you go. There you

46:28

go. That's a great answer, dude. Oh

46:31

yeah, look for someone with survival skills who can build

46:33

a raft, right? Look at some of the... Right, but

46:35

who's also got a really interesting life. So

46:38

like you can talk to them about

46:40

interesting things. All right,

46:42

all right. So this one we did... You probably did not

46:44

have because my brother sent me a question as well that

46:46

he wanted me to ask you and I like

46:48

this one. I said, yo, I've got...

46:51

I have Aaron Schatz on the podcast today. Any questions you want

46:54

me to ask him that we missed? And my

46:56

brother Chris goes, ask him how it

46:58

feels to be the only one with the balls

47:00

to vote Josh Allen MVP when Lamar was lower

47:02

on every statistical QB category. I

47:05

did not think I was going to be

47:07

the only one. I was shocked. I was

47:09

shocked. I was out to dinner with

47:11

some people and the vote came through and

47:14

I checked Twitter and when it said

47:16

49, I was

47:18

just shocked. So

47:20

I knew Lamar Jackson would win, but I thought

47:22

it would be like 43 or 44. So

47:27

I mean, I'm proud. I

47:30

took a lot of guff from Ravens fans, but

47:32

I'm proud that I stuck to my guns and

47:34

I voted with the person that

47:36

I was most comfortable with and Bill's fans seem

47:38

to think it was at some level, some love

47:40

for them. It really wasn't. It was just, it

47:42

was a really hard year to pick at MVP

47:45

and when push came to shove, I just thought

47:47

Allen was just a little bit better. I

47:50

also think that the run, right? Like that, that,

47:52

that run that they made in the middle of

47:55

the season, like it really did

47:57

stem around Josh Allen coming to life. games

48:00

in a row that they won big games

48:02

to like great great opponents not none of them

48:04

were cake walks really and yeah it was uh

48:07

Baltimore was a better team but you there is

48:09

no award for most valuable team you don't get

48:11

to vote for what team you think is the

48:14

best absolutely

48:16

not wrong man all right let's finish all these

48:19

final two questions that we asked all of our

48:21

guests here on the afk with ninja podcast if

48:23

you had to delete all but three applications

48:25

from your phone which ones would

48:27

you keep and why or just which ones would you

48:29

keep oh cool

48:32

floppy old phone dude and just tell me what

48:34

where does your mind go what is your thumb

48:36

automatically move to you email okay

48:40

I'll water okay I would rather

48:42

be using threads the fact is everyone is

48:44

still on Twitter for sports like sports is

48:47

the one thing that's really hung back on

48:49

Twitter as Twitter

48:51

has gone downhill and

48:53

then if I could only have

48:55

three applications a civilization

49:00

six because I could just get lost in it

49:02

for hours and hours and hours

49:04

mobile game yeah it's a game game it's

49:06

like it's on computers and consoles also but

49:09

oh sick you can also get it on

49:11

you can also get it on your phone

49:14

okay sick all right

49:16

final question man afk with ninja fk stands

49:18

for away from keyboard we're a little philosophical

49:20

here at the end of the show man

49:23

define afk what do you do when you

49:25

are away from it all when you're afk

49:27

away from work man how do you get

49:29

away a nap just

49:32

a good old nap dude one of the advantages of

49:34

working from home man is that I can sleep from

49:36

2 to 2 30 if I want and

49:39

then get back to work so you like

49:41

the you're like a 30-minute hour power nap

49:43

kind of guy it hits the spot that's

49:45

yeah middle of the day power

49:47

nap guy definitely I'm a big

49:49

fan of a nice power nap to in the middle

49:52

of the day to you by the way like Sun

49:54

still out like it's 3 o'clock 2

49:56

o'clock phone little 45 minute banger

49:58

you wake up Sun is still obviously shining

50:00

through to the rest of your day in

50:02

front of you you're re-energized But

50:05

you can't you got to be careful that 90 minute,

50:07

you know If you don't set an alarm you push

50:09

through that 90 minutes to a two two hour. No,

50:11

I said an alarm definitely I said oh, yeah Definitely

50:15

the worst feeling in the world man. I've been that's or

50:17

something. Yeah, it's the worst feeling the world waking up It's

50:19

not gonna worse one in the world Let's reel it in

50:21

but it's a terrible feeling when you're like when you hit

50:23

that REM cycle But then boom you wake up right as

50:25

you're like brain was just in Oh, I'm actually

50:27

gonna shut down shut down and then

50:29

you're just like groggy forever. Oh All

50:32

right. Well, dude Aaron that's it man. That's all I got for

50:34

you, dude Thank you so much for taking the time being here

50:37

I know your time is very valuable and I'm super

50:39

looking forward to hopefully having you on Maybe this show

50:41

again or the sports show and kind of ramping things

50:43

up into the new NFL season dude So thank

50:46

you. Yeah, let's do the preseason man because oh

50:48

hell yeah There's lots to talk about and I have

50:50

a book to sell and oh, yeah,

50:52

dude Perfect. Cree season is a great time for me. And

50:55

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50:58

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