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0:00

On June, Dylan

0:03

Ruth walked into a Charleston, South Carolina church

0:05

and shot and killed nine black churchgoers. This

0:08

racist terror attack was meant to spark fear

0:10

in the hearts of black folks, to say you

0:12

weren't safe even in your houses of worship.

0:22

Ten days later, Bree Knewsom scaled

0:24

the thirty foot flagpole at the South Carolina

0:26

Statehouse and unhooked the Confederate flag

0:30

in that moment, high above the

0:32

police presence growing below her. Bree

0:34

says she wasn't even afraid if

0:37

she was about to be arrested. She didn't care. It

0:39

was just like, yes, taking me to jail.

0:46

But what people didn't see is the planning

0:48

behind that act. How many people were on the scene

0:51

during the I was not nine of us.

0:55

Okay, so there's a whole group of you that did

0:57

this together. Oh yeah, it was coordinated. Brees says

0:59

the act was actually the result of the coordinated

1:02

efforts of a team of organizers. A

1:04

team on the ground in South Carolina laid the groundwork

1:07

in the week's brier. They knew whoever

1:09

was chosen to climb the flagpole and whoever

1:11

was chosen to stand guard were risking arrest.

1:14

That iconic viral image of Brion Latin.

1:16

The flag only tells a snippet of a story

1:19

and the spark that led us to that moment. I'm

1:24

brigittad. You're listening to Afropunk

1:26

Solution Sessions. Afropunk

1:29

is a safe place, a blank space to freak

1:31

out in, to construct a new reality,

1:33

to live our lives as we see fit while making

1:35

sense of the world around us. Here at

1:37

afro Punk, we have the conversations

1:39

that matter to us, conversations

1:41

that lead to solutions. In

1:44

this episode, we're exploring the

1:46

spark that drives activism and social movements.

1:49

Activism is like an iceberg. Sometimes

1:52

the end result, that galvanizing moment

1:54

that makes headlines is only the tip you

1:56

can see peeking out of the ocean. It's

1:58

the result of a churning as sum play line of strategists,

2:01

organizers and volunteers, all

2:03

ignited by our respective spark from within, coming

2:06

together to do the organizing work towards a shared

2:08

goal good.

2:16

Our co host Eves and I went to the Civil Rights

2:18

Center in Atlanta, a living archive

2:20

of global human and civil rights, where

2:22

that reality of activism is on full display.

2:27

We often think of activists as these larger

2:29

than live figures who put their lives on the line

2:31

for huge causes, and they do,

2:34

but we have to remember that even the smallest

2:36

contributions help in sight change well,

2:39

not only that they're necessary.

2:41

There was a room full of doctor King memorabilia,

2:44

his hamwritten speeches, letters to him,

2:47

the briefcase he carried the day he was assassinated,

2:50

and there was this letter of supplies. This

2:54

list is so powerful because you sort

2:56

of realize the

2:58

logistics and the real that he have this kind

3:00

of work that you know, it seems

3:02

very mythical and mystical

3:05

sometimes, but then you know, people need baby

3:07

food, people need vinegar, people need you

3:10

know, salt and baking

3:12

ZDA. And this list of the things people

3:14

need it is compelling, a good

3:16

reminder that these are real human people

3:18

doing actual work and yeah, you know

3:21

fairy tales, Yeah I think so

3:23

too, And just seeing it in a hard copy

3:25

like this, it's just

3:28

it's so powerful. It makes it that much more

3:30

tangible to see how much specificity

3:32

and care was put into it too, taking

3:35

it in you know, all at once, I

3:38

guess, just

3:40

knowing that he was holding up in and running on

3:42

this paper. To see it right in front of me, um

3:45

just makes it that much more real. And

3:48

I really this

3:50

isn't that like profound or anything, but

3:53

I'm really really into how intense these

3:55

scratch marks are. Like that wasn't

3:57

the right word, and it wasn't the right word at all. It's not

4:00

it's not just one line through it. It's

4:02

like he's really deliberate with what he's saying.

4:05

You know, I'm all about

4:07

reminders that our civil rights leaders

4:09

were human and that they dance

4:12

and playpool and drink and partied

4:14

and wrote and all the things that

4:16

we do they do and they were complex

4:18

people. I think reminders that remind us of

4:21

King's humanity are visit important.

4:25

Afro Punk is a hub of expressions of black

4:27

activism and culture. People come

4:29

to see bands, but it's not just about the performances.

4:32

It's about every aspect of our identities,

4:34

our clothes, our hair, our art to

4:37

express the spirit of resistance and the ways

4:39

that black joy can be radical. Our

4:41

correspondent Corey Oliver asked attendees

4:44

about how activism shows up in their lives

4:46

at afro Punk Atlanta. Do you consider yourself

4:48

an activists? Uh? Do you how how important

4:50

do you think activism is to like young black

4:52

people? All, Well, I feel there's a lot of different

4:54

levels of activism, and so I'm

4:57

happy for the people who are political.

5:00

I'm happy for the people are like, you know,

5:02

into the legislative process. I'm

5:04

happy for the marchers. I'm more

5:06

aggressive. It's so like I always

5:09

say, just call me when we started

5:11

shooting, I'll be

5:13

there. I'll show up for that. Let's

5:16

take a quick break. So there's this concept

5:19

called the story of self, and it was one of the first

5:21

things I ever learned when I was just sort of getting

5:23

started as an activist and an organizer.

5:25

And basically this concept is all about getting

5:28

really really clear about why

5:30

it is that you're interested in social change. So maybe

5:32

it's something that happened to you. Maybe

5:35

it's something that you know it was part of your upbringing,

5:37

or something that you witness as a child, or that felt really

5:39

unfair, it made you feel really angry. So

5:41

what was that thing that spark that really

5:44

made you want to act? I'm

5:46

wondering, bridget Um, what was that

5:48

moment for you? Do you have a story of self? Uh,

5:52

you're giving me flashbacks. It was one set of training

5:54

a story of self training, and I

5:57

had thought about what my story of self was going to be, and

6:00

when it came time to share, I was like, I guess I don't have

6:02

one, and my trainer was very disappointed.

6:04

I've had a couple over the years. The one that I come

6:06

back to again is tough because

6:09

I've heard so many good stories of self over

6:11

the years doing social change work, and

6:14

oftentimes they are stories that make the person telling

6:16

them sound very valiant or very

6:19

you know, empathetic, or it presents a very

6:21

good version of who they are. And my story of self

6:24

it's a time or I did not feel like I lived

6:26

my values. So I went to college in the South.

6:28

I went to East Carolina University, and

6:31

it's a college that is if

6:33

you know North Carolina, it's kind

6:35

of exactly what you're thinking, you know, lots

6:37

of guys and cargo shorts

6:40

and pastel colored you.

6:43

So I'm like you, you're thinking that fondly

6:45

right now. It was a tough four years. I

6:47

was I had to be I had to be drunk the entire time,

6:50

clearly, UM to deal with it.

6:52

And I'll never forget um.

6:55

You know how when you go to college You're sitting

6:57

in the common room of the dorms watching TV.

7:00

And this is when her Kane Katrina just happened. We

7:02

were all sitting in the common room of the dorm

7:04

watching this unfold on TV.

7:06

And it was families, it was women,

7:09

it was kids, was people losing everything,

7:11

it was people dying. It was this the kind

7:13

of thing that I probably never thought I would

7:15

see happening in this country. I mean, I was very

7:17

young. It was like I was watching a horror

7:20

movie, you know, That's how I felt. I felt like I was watching

7:23

something fictional. I thought, this, this can't be

7:25

happening. This can't be happening. And there

7:27

was this one image of a of a mother

7:30

clinging to her baby, and the look on

7:32

her face is just pure agony.

7:35

You can feel it in that image. And

7:37

I was thinking, you know, fun, like,

7:40

this is our country, this is a situation.

7:42

And I was so horrified. And

7:44

I was listening to these guys talk in

7:46

the common room and one of them

7:48

said to the other, they're just niggers.

7:51

And he said it like it was the most casual thing in

7:53

the world, as if, of course, this has to be exactly

7:57

exactly and you know, it was

7:59

just a comment that he made, But in

8:01

that moment, it was

8:04

clear to me that he was sort of pathologizing

8:06

these people in a kind of way, that of course this

8:09

is happening to them, like it was no big

8:11

deal, and that they kind of way brought it on themselves.

8:14

And you know, adult

8:16

me looks back on that moment and thinks, I

8:19

wish I would have done this. I wish I would have stormed

8:21

over there, slapped that fucking

8:24

baseball hat off of his head and said

8:26

something. But I didn't say anything. I didn't

8:28

say anything. I just sort of gasped

8:32

and I said nothing. And it was a moment

8:34

where I was presented with a choice

8:37

and I chose wrong. And

8:40

I think about that moment quite a bit. I think about

8:42

why I didn't say anything, why I didn't do anything,

8:44

why I chose not to live my values, And

8:47

I think it was a lot of things. I think it's being young. I

8:49

think it's being you know, in a new place and sort

8:52

of wanting to fit in and not wanting to be the person

8:54

who you know is always

8:56

calling out racism um.

8:59

And I sort of made a silent pack

9:01

with myself that I would never

9:05

not live my values again, and

9:07

that even if it meant I

9:09

was going to always be that weird

9:11

black girl who had something to say, and I

9:13

was never popular and no one

9:15

ever want to go out with me, and all of those things, I didn't

9:18

care that I was never going to feel like I felt

9:20

in college, frozen, feeling

9:23

guilt and shame and fear and

9:26

all of these horrible, horrible,

9:28

horrible feelings all linked up inside

9:30

of me in the pit of my stomach. I was never going to feel that

9:32

way again. And when I'm

9:34

doing social change work, that's what I think. I

9:36

think, if I get that feeling

9:39

like I have to say something, I say it, and

9:41

I think back to the version of me who couldn't

9:43

say it, and I say it for her. You know, listening

9:46

to a lot of stories of self, something that comes out

9:48

is so many of us have dealt

9:50

with really, really big,

9:52

intense stuff in our lives. I've heard people share

9:54

their story of self and it's about being undocumented

9:57

and what that's like. I've heard people tell

9:59

their story of self and it's about being abused

10:01

and all of this really really traumatic,

10:04

heavy stuff, and that's very

10:06

real. But I also think that it's important

10:08

to remember that the thing that drives you to be

10:10

interested in social change can be something

10:13

commonplace and every day. It can

10:15

be something very big and very real and very

10:17

scary and very traumatic, but it can also be that

10:19

small thing too. It's good

10:21

to know that you didn't blame yourself afterwards,

10:24

and you use that kernel, and you use

10:26

that moment and turnedness is something that

10:28

was really inspiring and

10:31

encouraging and positive,

10:33

and you used it to go in a good direction. And I

10:35

think it's great to hear you say that's because a

10:37

lot of people may look back and

10:39

say, like, Ship, I funked up, like I wasn't

10:41

good enough, I didn't do the right thing. But

10:44

it's like we've been dealing with this for centuries.

10:46

We have centuries of this this burden laying

10:48

on our backs of having to be the person with more integrity,

10:51

the person who always does the right thing, the person who always

10:53

called somebody out. But it's not our fucking job, you

10:55

know, it's not our job. So I'm really glad to hear

10:58

that's what your story of self was, because

11:00

it's a good reminder that

11:03

that you don't necessarily have to be this superhero.

11:06

You don't have to wear a cape, when you find your voice

11:09

when you're marginalized. Sometimes the

11:11

thing that draws you to activism is as simple

11:13

as just trying to exist. I never would

11:15

have thought that, you know, I'd be on

11:17

the front lines of the new flax deborations,

11:20

that you

11:26

might know Patrice Kan Colors from her work with Black

11:28

Lives Matter. My name is the

11:31

Truth, can Colors. I am

11:33

one of the co founders a Black

11:35

Lives Matter and founder of a local

11:38

organization of upsends with called Dignity

11:40

and Felling Out. I grew up in

11:43

a small suburb, working class

11:45

suburb outside of the inner city Van

11:47

I, California. And unless

11:50

you grew up the month Denders, you probably don't

11:52

know where that place is. But

11:55

it was um in the eighties

11:57

and nineties and early two thousands, a

12:00

neighborhood that was mostly people

12:03

of color, mostly working class

12:05

um UH, mostly Mexican

12:07

and Mexican immigrants, and we

12:10

were one of two black families on the block,

12:12

and the neighborhood super

12:15

over police. Lots of helicopter

12:18

policing for this small town, this

12:20

small submers lots of security

12:23

just policing UM

12:25

and also a lot of folks being arrested

12:28

and and homes being raided, and so this

12:30

was very my early childhood

12:32

memories of my neighborhood. It was against

12:35

that backdrop of surveillance and over policing

12:37

that young Patrise experienced the moment that

12:39

made her perfect down. I was

12:41

eighteen years old, I think that's just graduated

12:44

from high school. I was in the

12:46

park with my girlfriend at the time. We

12:49

were totally kissing

12:51

and making out, and then

12:54

this guy ran upon us, is over gentlemen

12:57

and curse about you know, pulls.

13:00

We were freaks and

13:02

and it was totally humiliating, and I

13:05

just remember feeling terrible, but

13:07

really quickly I was like, we have to protest

13:10

it, and I called

13:12

on my friends. You know, was pre social media,

13:14

so so I made phone calls and

13:17

I think there was six people showed up to the house

13:19

on a Sudday and we um

13:23

they signed and they signs, and

13:26

we walked down to that park at that same

13:28

part and totally

13:31

like held a little protest, and it was

13:34

well small, and I didn't necesarily

13:36

have a target. There was something about

13:39

showing up for myself

13:41

and I'm not allowing that

13:43

demand to have the last word about what I do

13:46

with my body. And my girlfriends.

13:49

What was that moment about for you? It definitely

13:51

was about reclaiming of a public

13:54

space, but it was also reclaiming of my

13:56

dignity. I was humiliated

13:59

by him. I was already young and

14:02

really battling my own internalized homophobia,

14:05

and I needed to kind of feel

14:07

like I wasn't doing something bad or wrong.

14:10

And part of that was showing up again

14:12

and being like, this is my I deserve

14:15

to be here too, I matter

14:17

too. And I think that's where the

14:20

courage, you know, my courage came

14:22

from. It's like, no, I did nothing

14:24

wrong. I'm in love with this person.

14:27

I get to show the world and if I want to, and

14:30

I get to be in this part that I've been

14:32

going to since I was a child. Following

14:35

in the tradition of famed civil rights activist Ella

14:37

Baker, who championed a decentralized

14:39

leadership style, Patrice's work is

14:41

very much rooted in her intersecting identities and

14:44

building movements that don't need to rely on one leader

14:46

to be powerful, but rather they

14:48

reflect the power of the collective coming together

14:51

to push for a shared vision. How

14:54

do you feel like your identity as a black queer woman

14:56

has gone on to impact the work that you do.

14:59

Obviously it was very central. How

15:01

does it show up now? I think my queerness,

15:04

my blackness, my woman miss, the

15:06

fact that I was raised for all of that

15:08

contribute to how

15:11

I build this movement. Um,

15:13

I think there's this movement wouldn't

15:15

be the way it is right now that wasn't

15:17

for this sort of leadership and vision of black

15:20

queer women many of us raised for. I

15:23

think it's our labor and work that

15:25

has created a movement that is

15:27

the centralized as economents. That is,

15:30

you know, doing the everyday work

15:32

of building, um what el Baker

15:34

was building group centers,

15:37

you know, readership, building a movement

15:39

that didn't need a charismatic into the jeweling

15:41

there. Like a lot of people who do movement

15:44

work, Patrice doesn't even necessarily see

15:46

yourself as an activist. If an

15:48

activist is the face of a campaign

15:50

or movement, an organizer is the one doing

15:52

the work behind the scenes. They're making sure folks

15:54

are trained, They're bringing others into the movement,

15:57

and while it can be a lot less exciting, it's the lifeblood

15:59

of social shape. That was definitely an activist,

16:01

but very quickly I turned into an

16:03

organizer. And this actually comes from one

16:06

of my mentors, Eric Man, who I

16:08

joined this organization when I was

16:11

sevyteen years old, and the

16:13

first thing he said is you're an organizer

16:15

and your job is to bring more people

16:17

into the movement. An activist signs

16:20

the petition, they show up to the

16:22

march, but an organizer is organizing

16:24

that march. The organizers the one who figured

16:27

out the petition and why we do the position,

16:30

and an organizer is building the power

16:32

of those most directly impacted,

16:34

most marginalized by this system.

16:36

Social change is key to who Patrice is, but

16:39

she also sees the ways that black women are burdened

16:41

by being the ones that have to do the work of teaching

16:43

others while not getting a lot of support in

16:45

return. It's a role that can sometimes be a bit

16:47

thankless. I think what this

16:50

challenges to people is

16:52

to actually not forced black women to have to

16:54

carry everything the emotional labor.

16:57

Be the ones who are the campaign strategists, Be

17:00

the ones who are raising the children, Be

17:02

the ones who are fighting for their children after

17:05

they've been killed or murdered or incorporated.

17:07

Right, what end up happening is black women end up

17:09

bearing the burden of the world. And

17:12

so that's the challenge for us. I don't

17:14

think black woman should stop teaching people. We

17:16

just shouldn't have to be the one holding everything,

17:19

and folks should show up and be present.

17:21

And part of that showing up and being

17:23

present is needing a culture shift.

17:26

We did change the culture in which black women

17:28

become the end all, be all for everything.

17:31

And this burden on black women isn't just

17:33

in the US, it's global. That's

17:41

Mariel Franco and you're listening to the last

17:43

public speech she ever delivered. She spent

17:45

years advocating against state violence in Brazil.

17:48

While sitting in her car following this speech about

17:51

police killings, she was shot and killed. Her

17:53

death sparked waves of protests in Brazil, and

17:56

her murderers were not caught. Many

17:58

agree that Mariel was assassinated in Marielia

18:01

Alia, secuted by the states and police

18:03

forces were vary to make her way

18:05

into politics and vary to speak

18:07

out there. That they consign

18:10

of Marielli by her voice in

18:12

her fine who were only multiplied. You're

18:14

gonna make sure it does. Brazil

18:16

has a powerful movement

18:20

um specifically against the police and

18:23

being led by black people. The unfortunate

18:25

death of Mariem who was a city

18:27

council member in Brazil, black

18:29

woman, out and queer and

18:32

was fascinated by the police

18:34

about the government. But their

18:36

movement is sovigorating all

18:38

throughoutlantin America and Buddhas and the movement

18:41

with black books and indigenous people for

18:44

patrice, activism and shared struggle

18:46

or what unite black folks no matter where they live.

18:49

Yeah, black people around the world, I mean are

18:51

just doing some incredible, credible works, and

18:54

even in America with the presidential

18:56

administration that's hell bent on criminalizing,

18:58

surveilling under my and destabilizing

19:00

Black communities here and abroad. It's

19:03

these shared goals and struggles that keep a trice

19:05

going. I think there are some clear goals,

19:07

especially under this current administration, which

19:10

are how do we make sure

19:12

that we are building the power of

19:15

Black communities, most marginalized communities.

19:17

And I want to make sure that we're changing the material

19:19

conditions for our communities. You

19:22

know, That's what I think about every single day

19:24

when I wake up. Am I changing the material conditions

19:27

for Black people? Am I making

19:29

more space and room so that we could be free

19:32

and we could be freer. And I think

19:34

that's the work to them, and that's the work

19:36

for all of us to be doing. Um, whether

19:38

you're black, white, not the next

19:40

a Asian indigenous, we should be thinking

19:42

about how we change the material

19:45

conditions for those most marginalized. We'll

19:47

hear more solution sessions after this quick break.

20:01

Algiers is a band from Atlanta. Like

20:03

Patrise, they're interested in building bridges, putting

20:06

global movements and struggles in conversation

20:08

with each other. They do it through music,

20:10

like when they perform songs about resistance at Afropunk

20:13

Atlanta. The band says that nam al Jeers

20:15

is about colonialism, specifically

20:17

the resistance to white colonialism that led

20:19

to the Algerian Revolution. The Black

20:21

Panthers were inspired by the Algerian Revolution.

20:24

People in Palestine or inspired by the Algerian

20:26

Revolution. Radicals in the US were

20:28

inspired by the Algerian Revolution. For

20:30

Algiers, this represents a kind

20:32

of intersectional unity, the connection

20:34

of global struggles, a meeting of the minds across

20:37

oceans and ideologies. There's

20:39

unity in difference, but there's also unity

20:41

and antagonism against something that brings politics

20:43

to our door. They point out whether

20:46

it's rising up against Trump and creeping fascism

20:48

in the United States or against global capitalism.

20:51

Algeria represents meeting oppression

20:53

with unity and antagonism. This unity

20:56

is something that Frank, the band's vocalist, tries

20:58

to represent through music and callbacks to cultural

21:01

touchstones. You know, those are

21:03

things that we espouse as a band

21:06

and as individuals, and that's something

21:08

that I think is too greater or less extent was

21:10

reflected by the afropunk postegal

21:12

music exposed to meats through politics. So punk

21:15

rock and the reason why afropunk was important for me is because

21:17

I was in up punk rock and I was in a hardcore band and all that

21:19

kind of stuff, and it was exclusionary. It was hye,

21:21

m mail and macho, and it was very much

21:24

uh herod, heteronormative and everything

21:27

That's Ryan. If you can't tell Ryan

21:30

is white, he plays bass in Lgiars. Ryan

21:33

was raised in Atlanta with Frank, where they grew up playing

21:35

music. Music, Ryan says, is

21:37

what helped to become politically and socially aware.

21:40

When afropunk came along, it really kind of exposed

21:43

a lot of things. I remember the documentary in two thousand

21:45

seven eight, and it was really exposed in quite a lot about

21:48

the scene itself, and I thought this is important because this

21:50

this taught me about politics, has

21:52

taught me about racism, has taught me about sexism

21:54

and homophobia and everything else that was involved,

21:57

the same way that Patrice's activism was a rooted

22:00

in claiming space for herself, Ryan says

22:02

music is would helped him want to claim space and incite

22:04

important conversations like this is this

22:06

is also a politics on a mascot that's talking

22:08

about mass movement, is talking about claiming

22:12

your own space. I remember in that video,

22:14

the Fight the Power video, you

22:16

know, public gonna be Fight the Power video. It's incredible.

22:18

It's like this is claiming a space.

22:20

It's like we own the street and we're actually a descendants

22:23

of the Black Power movement. And

22:25

this is music as well. This is what music is.

22:27

Music actually represents society

22:30

and it's something that can for once of

22:32

a better word of power. Listen,

22:35

if you're missing y'all swinging while I'm

22:37

swinging, Hey, no

22:40

more about knowing while the black bands

22:42

swinging in the river ro rowing what

22:45

we want, y'all us what we

22:47

need? I don't let's

22:50

freed them up there. We got to fight the powers

22:52

that be the power.

23:07

What advice would you get for someone out there who's listening,

23:09

who wants to follow in your footsteps and do the kind

23:11

of work that you do. Um a few

23:14

things. One, what's your lane? What are

23:16

you look excited about? Are you excited about the arts?

23:18

Are you excited about you know, the operation

23:20

side of things? Are you excited about all the

23:22

things that are related to ending

23:24

police violence? Just think about what's your

23:27

lane? What's your lane in this? And then

23:29

go look for an organization to be a

23:31

part of. I don't think we need to build a bunch

23:33

of organizations. I think doing

23:36

like cool projects and debating them and said

23:38

organizations aren't necessary. What do you feel

23:41

like no organization is doing what you want

23:43

to be doing or what you think is a great

23:45

need. Then change

23:47

it and start your own organizations. Who

23:58

am I? And what am I called to you? These

24:00

were the questions between left us with If

24:03

you want to make social change, that first step

24:05

isn't necessarily to show up at a value or event. It's

24:08

to look within for the answers to these questions. Who

24:11

are you? What do you stand for? Who

24:14

is your community. What do you want to build together?

24:16

What makes you fucking angry? How can

24:19

you harness that anger for action instead

24:21

of apathy. We can all be activists

24:23

because we all have that spark inside of us telling

24:25

us to fight back. We just have to find

24:28

it. What's the solution,

24:30

Bridget. Prioritize your well being. What's

24:33

the solution? Bridget? Don't be afraid to

24:35

start your own organization. What's the solution?

24:37

Bridget? Take action in a way that moves

24:39

you. What's the solution? Bridget? Find

24:42

what ignites you. Afropunk

24:52

Solution Sessions is a co production between

24:54

Afro Punk and How Stuff Works. Your

24:56

hosts are Bridget Todd and Eve's Jeffcote.

24:59

Executive producers are Julie Douglas,

25:01

Jocelyn Cooper, and Kuan latif Hill.

25:04

Dylan Fagan is supervising producer and

25:06

Kathleen Quillian is audio engineer. Many

25:09

many thanks to Casey Pegram and Annie Reese

25:11

for their production and editorial oversight,

25:14

and many thanks to her on the ground Atlanta

25:16

Crue, Ben Boland, Corey Oliver,

25:18

and Noel Brown. The Underside of Power

25:20

is performed by Al Jeers. Connect with us

25:23

on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at

25:25

afropunk and thanks to the Center for Civil

25:27

and Human Rights in Atlanta, Georgia.

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