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other triggering events such

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is intended for mature audiences

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. When

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Alice jumped down the rabbit hole , she

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immediately regretted her decision . A

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rabbit hole is a metaphor for something

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. Welcome to Afterglow

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, the unveiling of the Idaho Colt

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. This podcast will take

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you down the deepest of rabbit holes . As it unfolds

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, the story is so compelling , so

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bizarre and so heinous . It's impossible

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to look the other way . Chad

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Daybell and Lori Vallow were dedicated , in the

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most horrible way , to an ideology

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that should only be fiction . Instead

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, their ideology put them behind

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us as we explore the lives , lies

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and diabolical crimes of Lori

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Vallow and Chad Daybell . I'm

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. Hello

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and welcome back . Thank you for being patient

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with me . I know it's been a couple weeks . Today

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this will be the final episode of season

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two . I'm going to take the rest

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of the summer to finish

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my travels and get

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my life in order and

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other things that have going on , so we

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will come back with season three

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. Probably I'm going

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to say the beginning of October

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. You should get an episode dropped

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by then . I know a lot of things

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are going on in real time

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still , and I hope to catch up

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with real time . This case is going

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on and on and on , so I think we will get

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there . Chad Daybell

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still needs to go to trial and

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, of course , lori Vallow is going to be sentenced

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. So I'm just going to try to keep

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things in chronological order so everybody

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can get the whole story the best we can tell

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it . So today this

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is episode 19

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of season two , losing

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Hope . Before I begin , I want to thank you

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all . I've gotten some really nice , generous

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show going . So the

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helping me pay for all the software

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and everything that I need in order to produce

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the show , so I really appreciate

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you . Thank you very much , everyone

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and anyone that has donated . I really appreciate

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you . Sometimes , on PayPal

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, it lets me send you back a message , and

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when it does , I do , and

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on Buy Me a Coffee , it lets me send you a message

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and I hope I've gotten everybody back

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. I hope I've responded

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to everybody that has donated and

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again , no donations too small . So

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today I want to get

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into a little bit more of

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what was going on behind

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the scenes as things were unfolding

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, the kids still had not been found

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. Jj and Tiley had not been

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found . People were still hopeful

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that they would be found alive , but

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you get the sense that people were

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really losing hope . So

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today I want to go over two

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additional interviews that were

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done with the Chandler

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Police Department regarding

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this case . So

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you remember the last time we heard from

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Nicole , serena , christina

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, and there

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will be some more of that because

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they were interviewed again . There's

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an interview that I wanted to go over and I've

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only been able to find the actual

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written document

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from the police detective in Chandler

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. I can't find the recording

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, even though he says he recorded it . I have not

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been able to find that anywhere . So

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if I find it , we'll play it eventually , but

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I haven't been able to find it on any of the news sources

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or anything that have been released in these

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audios . So this

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is an interview . Apparently , charles

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Vallow went on a date

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with a woman by

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the name of Nancy Jo and

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this was the night before

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he was murdered . He went

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on a date with this woman on July

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10 , 2019 . They

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interviewed her on April 22

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, 2020 at 2.45

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pm . It says I

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spoke with Nancy Jo , redacted

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her last name . Nancy Jo had

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gone on a date with Charles Vallow on

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7.10.19

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, the night before he was shot and

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killed . Nancy Jo had

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been given my information by Kay

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Woodcock . I

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had briefly spoken to Nancy

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Jo about a month prior , but

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at that time she was not sure if

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she wanted to be involved in this investigation

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. My interview with Nancy

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Jo was recorded on my digital voice

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recorder and will be preserved

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as evidence in this case . The

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following is a synopsis of my

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interview with Nancy Jo . Nancy

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Jo said she had met Charles at the

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Keg Restaurant near the San

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Tan Mall on July

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10 , 2019 . Nancy

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Jo explained she met Charles through

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an LDS dating site in

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early July and they chatted online

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until they went out on July 10

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. Nancy said she and

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Charles spoke via telephone and text

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messages . After exchanging phone

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numbers , nancy said Charles was

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a very upbeat person . Nancy

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Jo said Charles told her about his split

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with his wife and Nancy Jo also

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said that Charles told her that Lori had

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disappeared for a few months , cancelled

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his flights , taken his truck , changed

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his door locks and also drained his

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bank account . Nancy

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Jo explained that Charles told her that

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Lori stated she was preparing for

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the Second Coming of Christ , which

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was supposed to happen in July . Nancy

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Jo said Charles told her Lori

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said she had angels that would help

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her kill him if he

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got in her way . Nancy

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Jo said Charles said Lori believed she

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could teleport to other places

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through a portal in her closet . Nancy

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said Charles told her Lori believed she was

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sealed to Moroni in

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another life and she lived other

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lives , including notable people in

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history . Remember

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Moroni is the Mormon angel , moroni

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that's at the top of the temples . I

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asked Nancy Jo if Charles said anything

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about how things were going between him and

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Lori at that time . Nancy

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Jo said Charles was concerned with JJ

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being involved in Lori's craziness . Nancy

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Jo said Charles told him about Lori's

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teenage daughter , tylee , and

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how she was rebellious against Lori

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but was very close to JJ . I

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asked Nancy Jo if Charles said why he

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was in town and she said he was in

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town to see JJ . Nancy

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Jo said Charles was going to take JJ to school

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the next morning . Nancy said Charles

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told her Lori was writing an email from

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him to other people pretending to be Charles

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. Nancy explained that

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Charles discovered the emails and was speaking

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to Lori's brother , adam , about this . Nancy

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Jo said Adam had come to town

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at the same time but

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she was unsure where

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from . Nancy Jo

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said Charles and Adam were supposed to meet

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on July 11th 2019 after

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Charles dropped JJ off at school

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to discuss how to confront Lori

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about her beliefs that she was a god

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and here to usher in the second

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coming of Christ . Nancy

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Jo said Charles and Adam wanted to get Lori

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help for those behaviors . Nancy

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said she and Charles finished dinner at

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about 2200 hours 10pm

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and text until about 2300

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to 11 . Nancy said

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she sent Charles a text in the morning but she never

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heard back from him . Nancy Jo talked

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about their date and their conversation

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during it . I asked Nancy Jo

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if there was anything she thought I

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should know about her interactions with

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Charles . Nancy Jo said Charles

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still had JJ's service dog in Texas

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and Charles was concerned that Bailey

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, the service dog , was not with

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JJ . Nancy Jo

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said it was hard to believe from what she

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knew and saw in the media that

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if Charles struck Alex with a bat

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, that he would not have injured him more

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. Nancy Jo said Charles was

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in very good condition and took good

9:02

care of himself . I

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asked Nancy Jo if Charles ever mentioned Lori's

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brother , alex , and she said that he had

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. Nancy Jo said Charles described

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Lori and Alex's relationship

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as strange and added that Lori

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had weird control or power

9:18

over him . I asked Nancy

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Jo if Charles said anything to her about

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his relationship with Alex , and

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she said they had a fine relationship

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but it became a little strained since

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they were getting divorced . Nancy

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Jo added that Charles believed Lori

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was having an affair with a Doomsday writer

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and added that he had found where

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Lori had emailed videos of her

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dancing to the writer , who she

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later named as Chad . I

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asked Nancy Jo if Charles ever

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mentioned Chad's name to her or if she

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learned it from media , and she said

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she was not sure . Nancy

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Jo said Charles was not happy about the email

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he had found that was authored under

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his name but not by him

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, to the author . Nancy

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Jo added that Charles did not like

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who Lori had become since she started

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interacting with the author . Nancy

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Jo said since seeing the media coverage

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on this case , it was clear Charles

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was talking about a person who fits Chad's

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description . Nancy Jo said

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Charles only wanted Lori to get some help

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so she could be there for JJ . Nancy

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Jo said Charles seemed to be very patient with Lori

10:26

in light of what had been going on . I

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asked Nancy Jo if Charles ever mentioned

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his life insurance policy and

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she said that he did . Nancy

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Jo said Charles told her he had changed

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his beneficiary on the policy . Nancy

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Jo said she joked with Charles

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that he should let Lori know that

10:45

he changed it so she did not kill him

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for the life insurance policy . Nancy

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Jo said in hindsight that was not a funny joke

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. Nancy Jo and I talked about

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how excited Charles was to go see JJ

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and spend time with him . Nancy

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Jo spoke for a while about how kind

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and happy Charles was in their interactions . Nancy

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Jo said Charles never once spoke harshly against

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Lori , even after all she had done . I

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asked Nancy Jo if Charles said if he

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had ever tried to reach out to Chad

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and she said she could not remember for

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sure if he had . Nancy

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Jo said Charles felt there was an

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inappropriate relationship with each

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other . Nancy Jo said she

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still had the text messages between her

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and Charles and she would go through them

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to see if there was anything that was important

11:30

to this case . She would forward them

11:32

to me . I then provided Nancy

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Jo with my contact information and

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I then concluded my interview with Nancy

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Jo what

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a great guy Really

11:46

, I mean on a

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date talking about how he wants

11:50

to help and what his main focus

11:52

is is JJ . He's worried

11:55

that Lori's lost his mind interacting

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with this author , chad , and

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all he did , even

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knowing he probably wasn't

12:03

going to save his marriage all he did was

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try to help her , and

12:09

everybody failed him . On

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the same day , april 22nd

12:16

2020 , the detective

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received a voicemail from Christina Christina

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remember we already had her one interview , christina

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requesting I call her . So

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on April 23rd 2020

12:29

, at 9 30 in the morning , I called

12:31

Christina back . My conversation

12:33

with Christina was recorded on my digital

12:36

voice recorder and will

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be preserved as evidence in this case . So

12:42

April 23rd 2020 . This

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is the interview that he

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had with her over the phone . Christina

12:49

had called him and requested another

12:52

call back , so I

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will play that now .

12:57

Today is Thursday , april 23rd

12:59

2020 , at

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9 30 at 9 30 at 8 hours

13:03

. Detective Moffitt calling Christina

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in regards to case number 19-83744

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. She

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left a voicemail for me yesterday saying she

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had something to add . She

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left a voicemail for me yesterday saying she

13:30

had something to add .

13:35

Good morning . This is Christina

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.

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Hi Christina , Detective Mafo with the channel PD , how

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are you ?

13:50

I'm fine , thank you .

13:52

Hey , I was calling . I got a voicemail from you

13:54

saying you thought of something else you wanted to add . What's

13:56

going on ?

13:59

The day that I was talking about . The last time I seen Lori

14:01

that I went out to is there wasn't just about her brother . I remember

14:04

that she had made a comment

14:06

about crushing up some

14:08

of her sons what's

14:13

it called ? It

14:15

sounded like both her husband and her son

14:17

took it and

14:20

started to actually , I think , make

14:28

a comment .

14:29

Yeah , you know what , oh

14:32

dear , who told me that

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? I can't remember

14:36

. If it was , I

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think it was Nicole

14:41

. Did you know any ? Yeah , no , nicole

14:43

said hey , yeah , because she said I was there

14:45

. She said Christina and I were there . She

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said , and that was . She

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couldn't remember the medication , but she said that she told

14:52

both of you guys and that was when

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they were back in Texas , right ?

14:57

Yes , so when I went back over

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I just said look , I don't know

15:03

what's going on with you , but anyway

15:05

, my one thing was the way that her brother

15:07

talked about realizing . Also , she made a comment about

15:09

putting some Xanax

15:12

in his drink

15:14

mix , like his protein milk

15:16

, like shake or something that he was

15:18

taking .

15:19

Okay .

15:20

And so I said Lori , are you serious

15:22

? Did you actually do that ? She's like well , I could only put

15:24

like maybe one or two because it's obvious

15:26

. But I just he's so hyper

15:29

and so on top of me and she's

15:31

like I was just being a smart aleck

15:33

and it's really not a big deal , and he

15:36

takes it all the time anyway .

15:38

Gotcha .

15:39

So I don't know , because she kind of backpedaled on

15:41

it , if you really did take it to

15:44

like I don't know , but it sounded like

15:46

both he and JJ took Xanax

15:48

.

15:48

Okay , good , that's perfect

15:50

. I was trying to . I forgot to follow

15:53

up with you on that .

15:55

Yeah , so that

15:57

was all I remember from that surprise . I did that

15:59

day , but Not a problem , I remember

16:01

a couple hours after you left .

16:02

Yeah , so it just happened upon your doorstep

16:04

and it was random and out of the blue

16:06

, so not a problem , but I appreciate you calling and following

16:08

up with me .

16:10

No problem , I appreciate you , the

16:12

work you're doing .

16:12

Thank you , ma'am All right , see ya . Bye

16:15

, bye .

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So Lori was actually

16:24

putting Xanax in

16:26

Charles's protein drinks . I

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think Lori starts to backpedal when people start

16:32

to question her , but I have no doubt

16:35

in my mind and my judgmental

16:37

mind over Lori Vallow DeVal that

16:39

she actually did that . There's

16:42

a lot of things that Lori told people and

16:46

Lori told her

16:48

friends , things that came out and I

16:50

heard through the rumor mills and

16:52

through people that know people

16:54

, and those things

16:56

that I was told have never come

16:58

out in any of these recordings . So

17:01

a lot of them say well , lori was just

17:03

like that , lori's Lori . Maybe Lori

17:05

made it up . We don't know if we really believe

17:07

Lori . So was Lori a liar to all

17:09

her friends all along where they wouldn't necessarily

17:12

believe all her shenanigans

17:14

? For example , I

17:16

know I wrote this up before Lori

17:19

told one of her friends that

17:22

she went into Joe Ryan's apartment

17:24

and took his valuables when he was

17:27

dead . Now this has never

17:29

come out , except for it was told

17:31

to me through somebody that knows Lori very

17:33

well and then

17:35

never repeated out there

17:37

. So who knows with Lori

17:40

? But that was the same reaction . These

17:42

people also said well , lori's Lori

17:44

. You never know with Lori , like Lori

17:47

could be just telling a big fib . So was

17:49

Lori a fibber all along . Was there things that

17:51

she said that you always had to take with the green assault

17:53

I have so many questions about

17:55

that and that people just went on with their day

17:58

? But Lori's just going on with her day and

18:00

everybody's going on with their day and been like Lori's Lori

18:02

, even though she told people I put Xanax

18:04

in my husband's protein

18:07

drink . I went into my dead ex-husband's

18:09

house , took his valuables before

18:11

the police found him . I mean , there's

18:14

a lot of little weird things like that that just

18:16

blow my mind . When it comes to Lori

18:18

and the people that were close

18:20

to her and how hush-hush they were and

18:22

how they should have

18:24

all at least come forward

18:27

to each other and been like whoa , wait a

18:29

minute especially makes me

18:31

so mad because Charles tried so hard for help

18:33

. On the next day

18:35

, which is April 24th 2020

18:38

, melanie Boudreaux actually

18:42

makes a post at 5.52

18:44

pm and apparently it was

18:46

her 31st birthday , and

18:49

she writes on Facebook . Today

18:51

is my 31st birthday and I couldn't let

18:54

the day pass without sending out love and gratitude

18:56

to every single person I know . I

18:58

don't know if I could ever top last year's

19:00

birthday of being able to serve in the temple

19:02

doing 30 ordinances and then

19:05

spending the day with my children . I

19:07

don't have that luxury this year , but

19:09

I am grateful for so much still . This

19:12

last year my world has turned upside

19:14

down as family and friends turn

19:16

their backs on me when things

19:19

in the media got confusing . I've

19:22

been falsely accused of many things

19:24

, wrongfully judged , betrayed

19:27

by those who I thought loved

19:29

and supported me , and wrongfully

19:32

gone to Utah County jail

19:34

for a few hours . Worst of

19:36

all , my four beautiful children

19:38

have unjustly been kept

19:40

for me since October . I

19:43

hold no faults , as fears and

19:45

doubts have been spread by those trying to hurt

19:47

me , while I also was

19:49

unjustly taken away from my mother at

19:51

age six and told all manner

19:54

of lies about her . I stand

19:56

here today , grateful , knowing

19:58

about her . I stand

20:01

here today grateful , knowing that no one

20:03

and no lie can take

20:05

me away from the bond of my mother

20:07

, who has laid to rest

20:09

since I was nine . It

20:11

has been a hard lesson to learn that I

20:13

could not put faith in the court systems

20:16

, authorities or most people

20:18

. The Lord has been on my side

20:20

and he has strengthened me through all of this

20:22

. No one can take away the peace

20:24

and truth that he brings , and

20:26

by this . I know that my children

20:29

will always know in their hearts

20:31

who their mother is and that I

20:33

will be reunited with them . I

20:35

hope they , like

20:37

I , can learn how to forgive and

20:40

love all those who have hurt us . This

20:43

is only possible through

20:45

the Savior's atonement . His love

20:47

is more powerful than anything . This

20:50

took me a while to learn to forgive my own father

20:52

, but I have nothing but love and gratitude

20:54

in my heart this day and for

20:56

the many who have betrayed

20:59

me . Even though restitution

21:01

has not been made , I've

21:03

learned to endure with patience and

21:06

to wait upon the Lord , as I know he

21:08

will reconcile all things . Each

21:11

day is another day of experience and

21:13

growth , and I will continue every

21:16

single day trying to love and serve those

21:18

around me , as that has brought

21:20

me more joy than anything

21:22

in this world could bring . When

21:25

you dedicate your life to serving the Lord and

21:27

accept his will rather

21:30

than your own , it certainly doesn't always

21:32

mean things get easier , as I've learned

21:34

. I'm so grateful for the scriptures

21:37

that account for so many who went

21:39

through difficult times , even when they

21:41

tried to live righteously . This

21:43

has strengthened my faith in him , and

21:45

I've witnessed him pouring out

21:47

blessings . Things are tough right

21:49

now , with the world at a standstill , but

21:52

don't ever give up . Don't ever

21:54

hold a grudge . Don't take for granted

21:56

the people in your life , whether they are good to

21:58

you or not . There

22:01

is so much to learn from them . Everyone

22:03

will stand accountable at the judgment

22:05

bar of God one day . And I

22:08

know who I am . The

22:10

few in my life that has stood by me , no matter

22:12

what , also know who I am , my

22:14

children being included . I have

22:16

learned to find joy in any circumstance

22:19

, even among some of the darkest days , while

22:21

being separated from my children , being

22:24

unsupported by my own parents

22:26

and while having so many untrue

22:28

things said about me . Truth is truth

22:30

and I do not care about the opinions , gossiping

22:33

or accusations of men or news sources

22:35

. The last few years , I've learned how to

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forgive all things and love even

22:39

my enemies . But while on

22:41

a run today , I felt overwhelmingly

22:43

feeling of gratitude for all

22:46

this opposition and for those

22:48

who have hurt me , and this was something

22:50

I haven't been able to feel yet . What

22:52

a beautiful gift from God on this day

22:54

. All of this has had

22:57

purpose and helped me to become

22:59

the person I am today . So

23:01

use this day to show love towards

23:03

someone who maybe has hurt you

23:05

, someone you just haven't been able

23:07

to forgive yet for things they've

23:09

done to you , and look for the gratitude

23:12

and blessings from it . There is freedom

23:14

in this and so much peace

23:16

. I am sure there will be many on my

23:18

Facebook that no longer wish to hear

23:20

from me , and that is perfectly okay . You're

23:22

welcome to delete me now , but I've reactivated

23:25

my page . I will respond to any

23:27

messages of love . I

23:29

will not see any negative posts on here

23:32

, as I'll have a family member

23:34

monitoring this post . I'm

23:36

only here to send out love . Have an amazing

23:38

day . And to you , braxton

23:40

, brighton , blake and Breeze , I

23:43

celebrate you today for how much

23:45

love I have for you . So

23:50

on April 25th , justin Lum , an investigative

23:53

reporter from Fox 10 Phoenix

23:55

he has been a great source

23:57

in this whole thing , but he posted

23:59

that on his Facebook page

24:02

and he says Melanie

24:04

turns to Facebook . Lori Balows-Nease turned

24:06

31 . On Friday , melanie Pulaski

24:09

re-activated her Facebook profile

24:11

and , still using Baudrill as her last

24:13

name , in the post , she talks about being

24:15

grateful despite her world turning upside down

24:17

as family and friends turned their backs

24:19

on her . She says she has been falsely

24:22

accused of many things . She mentions

24:24

going to Utah County Jail for a few hours

24:26

, but it was wrongful . Pulaski

24:28

says her four kids have been unjustly

24:31

kept from her since October . At

24:33

the end of the post , she sends love to her children . Right

24:36

now she is in a custody battle with her ex-husband

24:38

, brandon Boudreau . The last resolution

24:40

management conference was postponed . Gilbert

24:43

police are still investigating the attempt on

24:45

Brandon's life , a shooting on October 2nd

24:47

outside his home . Investigators

24:49

say Brandon's all-rifle with a silencer come

24:51

out of the rear window of a 2018

24:53

Wrangler Jeep a Jeep with Texas license

24:56

plate registered to Charles Vallow , lori's

24:58

former husband . And

25:00

then he recaps saying Charles was shot and killed

25:03

by her brother , alex , last July in Chandler

25:05

Court . Documents say that Brandon believed

25:07

Melanie his wife at the time , had a million

25:09

dollars of reasons to have him killed

25:11

, hoping to cash in on the policy to help

25:13

support the cult that she

25:15

is believed to be part of . Then

25:18

it goes on to say you know , alex Cox died

25:21

on December 12th and his death is still under investigation

25:23

. At that time , the turnies for

25:25

Melanie Pulaski have said she has worked with the FBI

25:28

and given up her electronic devices . As

25:30

the search for JJ Vallow and Tylee

25:32

Ryan , lori's missing children

25:34

, continues , she denies knowing

25:36

their whereabouts , despite being

25:38

accused of having information , I

25:49

still can't believe how much she's still

25:51

under the radar and all this stuff . I

25:53

mean , I don't know if you know what happened at the

25:55

trial and we'll get to that eventually but

25:57

she literally purposely wound

26:01

up at the trial not testifying

26:03

because she sabotaged

26:05

it . She broke the rules

26:08

and the law so she wouldn't have to

26:10

testify against Lori . She said

26:12

yep , I've been watching it on TV , yep , I

26:14

know what's going on in the trial , yep , and

26:17

they had to let her go and not testify . Thankfully

26:20

, they didn't need her , but she

26:22

is a scammer . I will say that from

26:24

now until the day all

26:26

this ends . She is a little

26:29

manipulator , in my honest

26:31

opinion . On

26:34

May 2nd 2020

26:36

, tammy DeBell's matter

26:39

of death was changed from natural

26:41

to undetermined . It's noted

26:43

in the police FOIA documents . As of

26:45

May 2nd 2020 , I learned of

26:47

Tammy DeBell's autopsy results and

26:49

that her manner of death would be changed from

26:51

natural to undetermined . The

26:54

medical examiners from Utah and

26:56

Arizona agreed to maintain

26:58

contact and the event additional tests

27:00

could be identified to further

27:02

test the biological samples . So

27:05

everybody's getting real wise here . You

27:08

know Lori's locked up . She's

27:10

looking , things are looking more and more suspicious

27:12

. And

27:14

then we'll wrap today's Up and

27:17

the End of Season 2 up with

27:19

this Arizona Family

27:21

News Report where

27:24

Kay and Larry have a few things to say

27:26

about the disappearance

27:28

of JJ and Tylie and

27:31

the side of the family Lori's

27:33

side of the family . Let's listen now

27:35

.

27:36

Dennis Cox and Summer Shiflett

27:39

levied some pretty harsh accusations

27:41

against Charles Vallow and his

27:43

family , and so for that

27:46

part of the story , we're going to go to Kim

27:48

Powell with reaction from

27:50

them .

27:51

JJ's grandparents were pretty upset that

27:54

, after all this time , lori Vallow's

27:56

family is now speaking up

27:58

. But as for the allegations that Kay

28:00

was sending threatening emails to

28:02

Lori , well , we have a copy of those

28:04

emails and you can decide for yourself . On

28:07

August 10th , the month after Charles

28:09

Vallow was killed at Lori Vallow's Chandler

28:11

home in a so-called self-defense shooting

28:14

, kay Woodcock , his sister , sent

28:16

this email to Lori thanking

28:18

her for letting them speak to JJ over

28:20

FaceTime . She goes on to offer

28:23

flying to Phoenix to spend time with

28:25

JJ , maybe a trip to the zoo or

28:27

an arcade . Kay never

28:29

heard back . Fifteen days later

28:31

she sent another short email

28:33

saying I'll do anything in order

28:35

to see him .

28:37

I was trying to keep reaching out to her reaching

28:39

out to her .

28:39

Reaching out to her . Please let me talk

28:41

to JJ . Let us see JJ .

28:44

Whatever it takes , let us

28:46

see him .

28:47

On September 18th , desperation

28:49

was growing . By now Lori

28:51

, along with JJ and Tyle , moved

28:53

to Rexburg , idaho . Kay asked

28:56

to see him for a weekend . She

28:58

ends her email with Lori . What

29:00

are you thinking ? Are you even thinking

29:02

? And on October 14th , a

29:05

final email is sent saying no

29:07

need to cut him out of our lives . This

29:09

situation can be managed civilly , signed

29:12

with please tell him we love him

29:14

.

29:14

She should have been worried more about being

29:17

threatened by the police , because I

29:20

know in every email I

29:22

sent I think I got ugly one

29:24

or two times in those emails after

29:26

a little while I come on

29:28

. This is enough .

29:30

You stop and let's we

29:32

need to see JJ . Lori's family

29:34

also claims that they heard JJ

29:36

on a phone call on October 1st

29:39

, entirely in late September

29:41

, slightly off from the timeline that

29:43

police have Law enforcement

29:45

is who I believe , the FBI

29:47

is who I believe , rexburg Police

29:49

Department is who I believe .

29:51

As far as what Summer

29:54

and Janice said , totally

29:57

, totally irrelevant . It

29:59

brings absolutely nothing to this case

30:02

.

30:02

Kay and Larry say they haven't heard from Lori's

30:04

side of the family throughout the investigation

30:07

and wonder why now

30:09

you want to do something .

30:11

Call us . Let's sit down

30:13

. Let's have a meeting . Let's

30:16

figure out where those kids are . Let's

30:18

be adults . Let's be a yeah

30:20

, Please .

30:22

The one question that Kay and Larry want answered is

30:24

simple when are JJ and Tylee

30:26

? They hope that Lori's family puts

30:28

pressure on her so they can put an end

30:30

to all of this . Kim Powell for Arizona's

30:33

family .

30:35

So you can see everybody's

30:37

getting really frustrated

30:40

. At this point , it's

30:42

May of 2020 . The

30:44

kids have been missing since September

30:47

. It's getting scary , it's

30:50

getting frustrating

30:52

. Kay and Larry are

30:54

advocating for help and

30:57

Lori's family hasn't

30:59

even reached out to them . There's

31:03

still two sides at this point . There's

31:06

we stand by Lori's side , lori's parents

31:08

, lori's sister , and

31:11

there's what do you think ? And Lori

31:13

, where are the kids ? By

31:15

Kay and Larry . So we're

31:17

going to wrap up season two , episode

31:20

19 . I will come back with season

31:22

three About the

31:24

first of October . It's not that far away , I promise

31:26

, and I have a lot

31:28

going on that I'm just going to get taken care of so we

31:31

can get going and I can be popping

31:33

these out weekly when we get

31:35

to October and stick

31:37

around and visit us on

31:39

Left Undone incomplete investigations

31:41

on YouTube . I will still be popping

31:44

on there . I have a

31:46

live stream this

31:48

weekend . I probably will be taking a little

31:50

break from Left Undone , but there's hundreds and hundreds

31:52

and hundreds of videos on

31:54

Left Undone that you can go back and watch

31:56

and I will be

31:58

going on my vacation in just a few weeks

32:00

, so I got to get tidied up for that and

32:03

I appreciate you all . And

32:05

again , no donations , too small

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. There are links in the show notes If

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you would like to donate . If not , please

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share this podcast . Please

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tell people about it . That

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would be absolutely fantastic

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for me . I do

32:21

appreciate you , and to tell the story , because

32:23

it's an important story for sure . So

32:27

, stay safe , stay

32:30

well and I will

32:32

be back soon . I'm

32:34

Kathy Brooks . Sources

32:38

for this episode Justin Lum Fox

32:40

10 Phoenix , arizona Family

32:42

. Annie Linux , annie

32:45

Cushing . I appreciate you . Thanks

32:47

so much and I will see you soon

32:49

. Bye-bye .