Roland Cloutier, principal at the Business Protection Group, an executive cybersecurity advisory firm, joins Ann on this week's episode of Afternoon Cyber Tea. Before the Business Protection Group, Roland was the Global Chief Security Officer at Byte Dance and TikTok and is a veteran of the US Air Force. With over twenty-five years of experience in the military law enforcement and commercial sector, Roland is one of today's leading experts in cyber defense, program development, and business operations protection. Ann and Roland discuss protecting customer data, what will make a good CSO ten years from now, and why we need to start addressing burnout amongst the leaders in security.  Resources:    View Roland Cloutier on LinkedIn View Ann Johnson on LinkedIn  Related Microsoft Podcasts:                  Listen to: Uncovering Hidden Risks   Listen to: Security Unlocked    Listen to: Security Unlocked: CISO Series with Bret Arsenault      Discover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at microsoft.com/podcasts Afternoon Cyber Tea with Ann Johnson is produced by Microsoft and distributed as part of The CyberWire Network.