Jack Skeels author of his new book 'Unmanaged: Master the Magic of Creating Empowered and Happy Organizations' joins Dave and shares insights on the challenges and pitfalls of Agile transformations, the importance of measuring success, and the inevitability of project failures. 

They discuss the concept of staying in one's lane versus diversification in service offerings for agencies, emphasizing the need to balance innovation and client needs. They also explore the concept of the "manager tax", improving productivity, agile methodology, utilization and working together as a team.