Take a rare and wonderful glimpse (in this special extended podcast) of the interaction of two Aikido Shihan (Josef Birdsong Shihan and David Halprin Shihan) as I ask for their thoughts on training methods, combat applications, sparring, the value of training vs. competing in martial arts and sports, leaning into ukemi, cooperation in difficult situations and much more.  They describe what they learned from their Senseis, and discuss Aikido as a way to process one's entire life.  They discuss various aspects of etiquette, as manners, self-defense, and, at its core, a way to treat everyone correctly in any circumstance. This is a special and personal glimpse into the experiences that forged the spirits of these two Shihan.