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4:13

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4:15

this from the Aviation Herald.

4:17

Ah is an accident a

4:20

Marathon Embraer if he Rj

4:22

One Ninety Five on behalf

4:24

of Error Serbia. That's

4:26

what it was painted all up

4:29

in the Air Serbia livery a

4:31

registration Oscar Yankee Golf. Delta

4:34

Charlie performing Flight Three Twenty

4:36

Four from Belgrade to Diesel

4:38

Doors with one hundred and

4:40

six people on board lined

4:43

up on Runway Three Zero

4:45

laughed at taxiway Delta Five.

4:48

That has about twelve hundred and

4:50

seventy three meters, four thousand, one

4:52

hundred and seventy five seat remaining.

4:55

And appeared it. And.

4:58

Over around the end of the runway. Become.

5:00

Before becoming airborne following a collision

5:02

with a high precision approach lights

5:04

of runway one to right past

5:07

the end of the runway, the

5:09

aircraft became airborne about five hundred

5:11

meters, six hundred and thirty feet.

5:14

Past the runway and climbs or

5:16

fifty feet. About sixty seven hundred

5:18

feet past past the runway and

5:21

while and stopped the climate four

5:23

thousand feet burned off. You will

5:25

return to Belgrade for a landing

5:28

on my way. Three Zero left

5:30

without further incident. About fifty five

5:32

minutes past their original departure. There

5:35

were no injuries, The aircraft sustained

5:37

substantial damage. He has to are

5:39

just so little point there a

5:42

chair for being. Sixteen hundred

5:44

and fifty feet pass the runway. Not

5:46

six hundred and fifty thing I ever

5:49

unfairly hims I know they were at.

5:51

I was talking about the fifty feet

5:53

above ground level know that earlier when

5:55

he said five hundred meters Yeah, and

5:58

you said six hundred. Oh. Out

6:00

to run my own. a lot of sixteen

6:02

had one thousand, six hundred and six hour.

6:05

You know it's very important that we get

6:07

these numbers right. Thank You know what I'm

6:09

Yes, yes because you know you never know

6:11

what kind of negative emails were going to

6:13

get from where has a separate conversion between

6:16

meters and to fifty percent. You

6:18

were always striving for that. Ah,

6:20

thank you very much for that.

6:22

And let's see, following the occurrence,

6:24

the I A Less of Runway

6:27

Twelve Right was downgraded from Category

6:29

three to Category one. Yeah, can

6:31

resist out all the I precision

6:33

lighting. Ah, so let's see passengers

6:35

report it immediately after take off

6:37

settling something broke. The

6:43

aircraft shock and yes, then they entered up

6:45

there so they don't realize how lucky they

6:47

have to be a high right now. He

6:50

entered a holding pattern for about an

6:52

hour before returning to land in Belgrade.

6:54

They were quickly any Gordon aid. Airborne

6:57

for an hour? Like? wow. Now.

7:00

Ah, they were quickly escorted off

7:02

the or as curated past the

7:04

this aircraft less as if is

7:07

Ah, they weren't told anything except

7:09

of it was a minor incidents,

7:11

a minor incident, Nothing to see

7:13

her however they are the passengers

7:16

could see something hadn't broken off

7:18

on the left wing. Ah the

7:20

airline reporter. The aircraft returned due

7:22

to technical reasons Him landed safely

7:25

statically. Our pilots messed up. According

7:29

to eighty as be down a date as

7:31

the aircraft mind up on runway three Zero

7:33

left the attacks who identifies commenced take off

7:35

in the direction of Room with Three Zero

7:37

left. And there were still

7:40

on the ground. Ah anti. As we

7:42

mentioned before, sixty seven hundred feet past

7:44

the end of the runway they were

7:46

of airborne at fifty feet So. If

7:49

just ahead of the motorway. Says

7:53

well. According

7:55

to Air Traffic control recordings,

7:57

her body Aviation Herald. The

8:00

aircraft was cleared the lineup runway.

8:02

three. Zero left at Delta Six.

8:05

However, The. Aircraft entered the

8:07

runway at Delta Five. Eighty

8:09

see query. The crew in cleared the

8:12

aircraft to backtrack on the runway to

8:14

down to sex. The crew however replied

8:16

they were able to depart. On.

8:19

Twelve hundred and seventy three meters from

8:21

Delta. Five. There.

8:23

Were wrong or the or fish or

8:25

simply Sutcliffe was cleared for takeoff and

8:28

then shortly after take off the crewed

8:30

by they needed to come back immediately.

8:32

they had hit sending a departure and

8:34

so then come back immediately. Yeah once

8:37

I'm sure they probably less as the

8:39

saying in like let it come back

8:41

immediately but they have to know they

8:43

had to. Run

8:46

checklists and and that sort of thing

8:48

and cut well. I don't know, Liz,

8:50

I wasn't there. And

8:55

it's interesting both I'm not sure in this

8:57

case. it's one of those things where he

8:59

not you're not on fire, you're not running

9:01

out of fuel. It's

9:03

not time critical kind of thing.

9:07

I don't know what they were doing though.

9:09

during that time during the holding pattern your

9:11

story straight have getting their store here ready

9:13

to the voice for shudder to be overwritten.

9:18

Ah well. Yeah. What?

9:20

What is the what's the normal length

9:22

right now number twenty five hours but

9:25

the As or two and a hands

9:27

on was or two hours or something

9:29

like that boasts they should have held

9:31

for longer sceptics he says I figure

9:34

us being facetious across the Us over

9:36

his think appreciate it I was wondering

9:38

at first I'm taking my i'm wondering

9:40

if they just looked at that dado

9:43

like and and interpol a to did

9:45

wrong in in like thinking is like

9:47

mixing up the opposite direction of the

9:49

runway. Thinking they had a lot more

9:52

room. but according to the Air Traffic

9:54

control tapes that does Simon's it was

9:56

talking about listening to the so that

9:58

they were. They were. They replied they

10:00

were able to depart on twelve hundred

10:03

and seventy three meters from Delphi, some

10:05

moon. So. Much for

10:07

that excuse. Yeah.

10:11

I I don't know whether it's

10:13

just the fight with. they accepted

10:15

a different tasks runway length for

10:18

take off. Ah I'm. Or

10:20

they just punched the figures. Or

10:22

they just as. Possibly.

10:24

Get in a major an

10:26

era in their performers calculations

10:28

as well as taking a

10:30

short of rum wavelengths Home

10:33

says it will find that

10:35

I'm no doubt in the.

10:38

Inquiry when it's complete of those

10:40

sir runway lights still of damage

10:43

didn't I didn't get any better

10:45

than. That and I'm really

10:47

made a big dent in the

10:49

youngest horizontal stabilizer as well. now.

10:51

Less bows to be, Friend dribble.

10:54

Ah, another was airspace to break

10:56

on impact. Alliance Another: Your point.

11:00

He says said tray indeed. So,

11:03

but Pump Saves put among

11:05

slightly more substantial polls than.

11:08

The normal butter or in I'm not

11:10

an expert butter I'll always remember being

11:13

told that ah, don't worry too much

11:15

about the light Scipio from the runway.

11:17

Their friend to build a surprise helps,

11:20

which I guess they did, but they

11:22

did a fair bit of damage to

11:24

the aircraft at the same time. I'd

11:27

like to point out that that belly

11:29

firing. Is. Not a

11:31

structure as such. It's it's and

11:33

there's army covering If is anything

11:35

like the one that some episodes

11:37

when in. It's not that strong,

11:39

so it's quite easy enough out

11:41

of it's not part of this

11:43

a crust. Pressurized.

11:47

Fuselage or however the big School

11:49

vs that so strict v trust

11:51

that is so that's the as

11:53

our skins yeah be having this

11:55

site's there and has from his

11:57

touch on right on the leading.

12:00

Is. There.

12:04

There. There must be saved us citizens

12:06

to let have gone so much more badly.

12:08

Oh and date? Absolutely. Yes.

12:11

Yes, I know everything worked for a

12:13

moment. I guess as part of the

12:15

reason they felt comfortable just in around

12:18

for an hour was they didn't have

12:20

a significant number of. Salts

12:22

indicating although we that damaged

12:24

the leading edge of be

12:26

surprised if they didn't have

12:29

a pneumatic salts and hydraulic

12:31

salts because it's a lot

12:33

of the our wires and

12:35

cables, some pipes and things,

12:37

some. From. Three that sort of

12:39

area. I'm not familiar with the E R

12:42

J mine too. They might rate and differently

12:44

but in the Airbus that would have been

12:46

a few of the things that was a

12:48

gone wrong. That may have been why they

12:51

held for as long as he did. Maybe

12:53

they were working through all the. Various.

12:56

Ah yes, indeed, an indication

12:58

brazil. You.

13:01

Try don't line up on another job

13:03

with him. Different carrying capacity has shut

13:05

its on the phone. Hiring

13:08

So they trundle along, pass the

13:10

end of the runway by one

13:12

thousand, six hundred and sixty seats.

13:14

Now I love a light aircraft

13:16

and get about his distance. So

13:20

the last laugh as

13:23

as hello. Wow,

13:25

that's a lot this.

13:27

yeah. So. It's

13:30

likely will learn more

13:32

as the investigation is

13:34

is started and continues

13:36

with this movie. Will

13:39

be interesting to see exactly what was in

13:41

their hands. On

13:43

case much continued with this

13:46

next one from the Aviation

13:48

Herald. m. It involves a

13:50

Japan Airlines. Seven

13:53

Eighty Seven-eight. They're.

13:55

Performing flight sixty five from San

13:57

Diego, California to Tokyo. A reader.

14:00

Departed terminal to nest on the

14:02

ground. There at San Diego was

14:04

taxiing for departure from way to

14:07

seven. There were guys to expect.

14:09

Backtracking. On the runway and was

14:11

cleared to taxi along Taxiway Bravo and

14:13

hold short of the runway at Bravo

14:16

Eight. But. They missed the

14:18

turn on the Bravo continued straight

14:20

onto Bravo Ten and went past

14:22

the told shoreline on the the

14:24

runway. Meanwhile. A

14:27

Delta Airlines bombarding a C Series

14:29

see Us Three Hundred or Airbus

14:31

when with what are we call

14:33

her son to Twenties Registration Three

14:36

Zero, One Delta uniform are performing

14:38

Flight twenty to Eighty Seven from

14:40

Seattle, Washington to San Diego. Was

14:42

on final approach to runway nine

14:44

and and was instructed to go

14:47

around as a result of the

14:49

runway incursion. The aircraft landed safely

14:51

about fifteen minutes later. The.

14:53

Japanese crew told the whole position.

14:56

When the controller noticed the conflict,

14:58

apologized or the Dreamliner departed. About

15:00

an hour later, Japan's Ministry of

15:02

Transport report of J D J

15:05

L aircraft entered a wrong taxiway.

15:07

The pilot told them he noticed

15:09

something was odd. At

15:11

the same time the controller alerted them.

15:13

However, the aircraft had already gone past

15:16

the whole charmed life so obviously. Well

15:19

seems obvious to me. Lizard

15:21

fuel Pump up the airport

15:23

diagram and will.one right there

15:25

is perfect from So they're

15:27

departing terminal to west heading

15:29

north toward the runway. so

15:31

you'll notice there's like a

15:33

dotted line that says A

15:35

or Alpha that's taxiway Al

15:37

for the inner ramp and

15:39

then Bravo is the. Basically.

15:42

The taxiway that runs along the

15:44

edge of the ramp to the

15:47

north of Alpha, so there's no

15:49

real. Like. A separate. Alpha

15:51

and Bravo taxiway. it just kind

15:53

of all ramp area and just

15:55

a way that the signage in

15:58

the paint lines are configured. And

16:00

I've experienced this kind of thing and

16:02

I'm sure you have as well. Captain

16:04

it. Sometimes it's confusing wonder if they're

16:06

designating certain taxiway is on a continuous

16:08

surface like this. and I can definitely

16:10

see. As you're going out, you're going

16:12

to pass Alpha and then you're gonna

16:14

turn right on Bravo. Well, you don't

16:16

recall. As you're taxing the airplane, it

16:19

doesn't look like a great distance either

16:21

at your ears, waiting to kind of

16:23

pass another taxiway before your hang. Hang

16:25

your right and so it. That's probably

16:27

what happened to the kept an eye

16:29

on this. Japan Airlines flight.

16:31

they they come to the first taxi

16:33

whether they see and hang a ride

16:35

on it. however he's going man doesn't

16:38

look like a regular taxiway. that's because

16:40

it's so runway and a psych. I

16:42

can another see what happened here. And

16:45

quite often not it. With those

16:47

areas where there's just a huge

16:49

expense or concrete and everything's just

16:52

painted on, it's the white areas.

16:54

There was a slip, very clear.

16:56

Ah, the Bravo turn on Bravo,

16:58

Nine and Brother lights. They looked

17:00

like they ought to be cross

17:02

or something of a zine country.

17:05

Often than not these thefts, they

17:07

just a painted oval on the

17:09

grants and we all know that

17:11

with the lights in the wrong

17:13

direction as aggressive ground. Was wet.

17:16

Only arrest I was rain

17:18

a miss perhaps. Yeah, so

17:20

the ground sweats the up.

17:23

The painted markings are often

17:25

completely invisible under these light

17:28

reflection sites in i'm i'm

17:30

gonna get Sick crew a

17:32

lowly way here and particular

17:35

said not familiar. A

17:38

But having said that if you

17:40

ever unsure come to a whole

17:42

and ask for guidance. Yes,

17:46

livers, Query. Ng

17:48

as to what time of day

17:50

it was and according to the

17:52

me tars it down have been

17:55

bold and here in the article

17:57

looks like somewhere around nineteen Fifty

17:59

one. Hundred Twenty eighteen Z and

18:01

I think that's like of seven

18:04

or eight hour offset, so it

18:06

should be kind of liked afternoon

18:08

mid afternoon. So

18:11

around darkness wasn't an issue. know

18:13

like rain. Ah looks like you

18:15

know, maybe not. Great visibility so

18:17

is probably a dreary what I

18:20

call that the the marine layer

18:22

of that kind of comes in

18:24

off the pacific. ah um ano

18:26

obscuring a lot it. but it

18:29

wasn't dark. For. Sure, So.

18:34

Anyway, Again, woah.

18:36

Probably. Hear more regarding this one

18:38

he went that are say that

18:41

ideal just to do or ever

18:43

fly into this apple. Chess.

18:45

I have flown in to San

18:47

Diego many times. back in the

18:50

nineties when I was find the

18:52

Seven Twenty Seven that was a

18:54

pretty common place for me to

18:56

fly to end our it into

18:58

an outhouse and also and when

19:00

I was buying the L Ten

19:02

Eleven Tristar domestically we also ended

19:04

up landing at San Diego as

19:07

well. Have a lot

19:09

of experience gone in and out about as men.

19:12

I don't know. twenty. Twenty

19:14

something years since I've been there

19:16

since Vanilla. And.

19:19

On. There we go.

19:21

Ah let's say continue. With.

19:24

Us next one from again

19:26

The Aviation Herald. Ah I'm

19:28

Alice. Tons of Airbus, a

19:30

three nineteen-one hundred. Was.

19:32

Flying Fight Nine eighty Six

19:35

from Frankfurt Mine to Amsterdam

19:37

was descending towards Amsterdam when

19:39

the crew declared Mayday reporting.

19:41

Both generators had failed both

19:44

engines Cfm Fifty Six were

19:46

running. Ah, The

19:48

Rat the Ram a turban

19:50

had deployed. The generators were

19:53

eventually recovered. The. Aircraft for

19:55

I guess estate on the excess ruckus.

19:58

They were and I guess the generators. Came

20:00

back to back online they are grub

20:02

position for an I as approached the

20:05

runway to seven and landed without further

20:07

incident and taxi to the apron. Ah

20:09

the aircraft was see on January Twelve

20:12

Twenty Twenty Four. So this happened on

20:14

November tenth of Twenty Twenty Three. On

20:16

January twelfth of this year the Ntsb

20:19

reported they have raided the occurrence of

20:21

serious incident. And are investigating

20:23

stating the Ram Air a turban

20:25

deployed. Following the failure about generators,

20:28

the aircraft continued for a safe

20:30

landing. When

20:32

a minute. I can see

20:34

now why. there was like an

20:36

exclamation point, the Us empty as

20:39

be. Why would they be stance

20:41

a flight Amsterdam as yeah it's

20:43

it's and and Germany to Amsterdam.

20:46

And. As an Airbus aircraft.

20:50

And. He layers interesting I've where

20:52

they're so american some thought

20:54

of that on think that

20:56

well I mean requires a

20:58

fat if you have so

21:01

much out of your passengers

21:03

gives you access to the

21:05

investigation says it's usually run

21:07

by the country where it

21:09

occurred. Ah but if you've

21:11

got American passengers on board

21:13

and a you feel like

21:15

it you can put in.

21:17

Ntsb officials in to the

21:20

inquiry. perhaps they did that

21:22

anyway. Ah, despite the fact

21:25

that perhaps they have said

21:27

i'm authorities one game to

21:30

in. Make of inquiry

21:32

are they weren't going to give it a.

21:35

Significant a look see says

21:37

Pepsi Ntsb. Simple way again

21:39

to anyway. Thank you. For.

21:42

Maybe if anything else maybe the

21:44

reason why they included the information

21:46

about the engines Cfm city sexes

21:48

might have a my be a

21:50

clue because As or American made

21:53

some. Engine said said Sinclair

21:55

that Saddam or it but gee

21:57

I think as part of that

21:59

can. Read or that mixed. Success

22:02

perhaps? Asked reason. I

22:05

don't have enough. Money. From.

22:07

But a double get a

22:09

failure is pretty their race

22:12

or no close to losing

22:14

a generator in this to

22:16

the situation is electrical fault

22:18

or the bars which strikes

22:20

to generated down and normally

22:22

the bus ty will break

22:24

so that you don't then

22:26

have the same full bringing

22:28

the other generated down but

22:30

perhaps the bus ty was

22:32

a bit slow and opening

22:34

our or. Ah, Of

22:36

moving I should say. or pants

22:39

it moved incorrectly And the same

22:41

football. Damn both generalists. Pets sets

22:43

what they're looking at the sensors.

22:46

That would be quite a serious

22:48

timing is so it's a single

22:51

football. Them both generators. Yeah, We

22:54

are some comedians and are seeking

22:56

a live audience. Tim Van Ram

22:59

sets back together from Amsterdam and

23:01

F A A went Dutch on

23:03

paying for the investigation. Such a

23:05

success and Luke Harper success Lugar.

23:07

Perhaps the Ntsb wanted to investigate

23:10

a faulty Airbus from once. Of

23:13

us to change me either way

23:15

in the simulator. When we used

23:18

to practice of an electrical configurations

23:20

it was a horrible day because

23:22

that is a nightmare. Dribbles,

23:26

The rat comes out and the

23:28

helps you. ah but the of

23:30

most you it's cook configuration is

23:33

a thrill of hours fetishists. I

23:35

feel sorry for the crew with

23:37

to perform that particular one strictly

23:40

for real well I think have

23:42

had I read the entire thing

23:44

I would have seen at the

23:47

very end of the article here

23:49

the Dutch Safety Board designated the

23:51

investigation to the National Transportation Safety.

23:54

Board as the State of

23:56

Design and manufacturer of the

23:58

Id Geez and D C

24:00

News. The Our I integrated

24:02

drives generators and the know

24:04

drive or generator control units

24:06

as without stamps were very

24:09

good. So now now we

24:11

know why. Interesting.

24:15

Simon and isn't. Okay,

24:18

Ah, speaking of Simon,

24:21

we have another one

24:23

from his wonderful website

24:25

Aviation Herald and this

24:27

involves a wings eighty

24:29

are seventy two to

24:31

twelve also registration Puppet

24:33

Car Kilo Whiskey Juliet

24:35

Tango. Performing. Flight

24:37

sixteen Forty six from Jaya poorer

24:40

to decline in Indonesia with thirty

24:42

six people on board. Was.

24:44

An approach to runway seven at the

24:47

car when the aircraft was shot at.

24:50

The bullet penetrated the fuselage

24:52

an accident inside the aircraft at

24:55

Seat Road nineteen A through

24:57

seats. The aircraft continued far

24:59

as I say. Nineteen

25:01

A for sure because that's run up against

25:03

the window and the wall. The aircraft continue

25:05

for safe landing. There are

25:08

no reported injuries, the aircraft still on

25:10

the ground at the guy after eight

25:12

hours after landing and and now we're

25:14

showing the the bullet holes and this

25:17

one we're looking at right now is

25:19

the one where the bullet actually. Entered

25:21

into the cabin I thera nafta

25:24

went came from yeah pneumonia else

25:26

I bought all right there. I

25:28

mean I wonder if that I'm

25:30

wondering if somebody was purposely aiming

25:32

at this airplane. or yeah I

25:34

mean somebody drew a big green

25:37

circle crowd as a while I'm

25:39

at right back in the middle

25:41

of that. Wow as a pretty

25:43

shallow a short challenge accepted the

25:45

success of a. Server

25:48

yeah I have say that

25:50

that's that's. Really now, seekers that

25:53

high was of imperfect or take out

25:55

somebody have they been sitting in that

25:57

right now, ah, perhaps it in. Was

26:00

there as soon as nine for an

26:02

assassination attempt but they got the seat

26:05

number wrong. Yeah, instead of shooting an

26:07

approach they were shot on approach. Oh

26:09

very good. That deserves a rim shot

26:12

if I can find it said down

26:14

here I am not sure I out

26:16

his Indonesia is one of those countries

26:18

where they celebrate weddings and things by

26:21

firing a lot of guns to be.

26:23

I mean I know there are some

26:25

countries that think that's good fun. But

26:29

if you're near the airport. That's not said that

26:31

term so don't know if it was

26:33

deliver old system undies was no laser.

26:37

Assistance I think I prefer a

26:39

laser as as assess. The

26:41

the laser sight greens and. Yeah,

26:44

that said, the lasers

26:46

assistance. It's coordinated laser/bullets

26:48

on it out and

26:50

or something. Here

26:53

answer isn't dangerous job this admit to

26:55

his line or healthy as so they

26:57

fit on being a passenger on an

27:00

airplane and day analysts are you. Okay,

27:03

in as good. Yes,

27:05

this is good so I think it's time for

27:07

me to. Had

27:10

my. Media. To

27:12

the stage am trying to

27:14

find my. Window

27:17

to. System

27:19

or A here. Oh.

27:22

Oh, there's the thing I was going to

27:24

play for. the am. Japan

27:27

Airlines. Right

27:29

there. Ah, I'm.

27:34

A while for to fail host. The

27:36

Up: Ah, As I think it's.

27:42

This next item sent him to

27:44

us by captain virtual. Ah,

27:47

let's see. It's

27:49

and video ah the title

27:52

of which is pilot can't

27:54

fly I fr because his

27:56

I pad has died in

27:58

Martinsburg Bird. The I Believe.

28:01

And so we're going to go ahead

28:03

and. Have. A

28:05

headless. Go.

28:11

New Scientific. From

28:14

really, Do you. Number.

28:18

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28:20

very few. Five Zero over. Seven

28:28

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28:31

having a boy girl and seventy

28:33

four. Remember

28:36

seven one a free victor

28:38

can laugh having one Seven

28:40

zero direct yard refilling your

28:42

post horse trading. Got bored

28:44

out. Of

28:47

there for seven one a free

28:49

bigger target. Love having one Seven

28:51

zero Direct yard room and able

28:53

over. Closer.

28:55

I fear find a participant cause

28:58

I threw it on the i

29:00

suppose court holiday for about a

29:02

job. Thirty.

29:04

Seven What a free that you're kind

29:07

of having a one hi zero guy

29:09

rec yds grew into the aren't as

29:11

friendly a the first place. Thirty.

29:14

Seven was a three that for

29:16

your few miles from god will

29:19

judge you. Ask for thousand feet

29:21

for the are never leave my.

29:25

Own he said, know what I predict or

29:27

fear for Your posts were maintained four thousand

29:30

or less. Build I girl. Any

29:38

requests. For

29:42

what's the problem is. Very

29:45

slowly and very early on their faces get

29:47

a simpler if you require some kind of

29:49

this isn't very good. The number for you

29:51

need a lot of stuff. Like

29:56

researchers fly has grown. I

29:58

drove over. Everyone

30:05

a that here. you require any of

30:07

the. Roman

30:09

Empire for for everyone else because

30:11

I have. A boy I can see a

30:13

horror. Movie of

30:16

work. Poses. Five.

30:21

Percent biomass is the weather's not very good.

30:23

I really don't want to have the right

30:26

market here. Where you were to was the

30:28

last. Year

30:34

I for of all the aircraft desire

30:36

for capable settle for it. When

30:41

it anywhere you want to do is go

30:43

to Chaudhry and I don't care how you

30:46

do have a other Jewish before they go

30:48

near him out on the approach has just.

30:52

Given your batteries for the last twenty

30:55

minutes and is that a problem for

30:57

humanity on your own? two daughters. Are

31:01

you never settle for your shoes

31:03

off and traded on the I

31:05

never thought but you gotta help

31:07

me figure establish on the essential.

31:12

For seven one a researcher. At

31:16

age three, Zero zero radar

31:18

structures forty three that aren't

31:20

as friendly. As

31:25

in the wind we've had to. Leave

31:28

her in eighty three, Zero Zero. see

31:30

their radar suffer through the street in

31:32

one way to roughly. Forty

31:35

seven Want a free better? You understand that

31:37

are. Necessary.

31:56

To go through not capable

31:58

to hit on. That. Review

32:03

and I have Harper, you need I

32:05

have hard for haven't I've had a

32:07

pretty sure you can't legally fly zone

32:10

episode with an Ipa. I

32:21

do have a creepy about the airplane

32:23

that was a robbery your information so

32:26

of course I'll tell you when you're

32:28

over god through a fair you'll be

32:30

able to fly the on other places

32:33

actually. I

32:38

will get all that, but I don't hear

32:40

you say the Accurate Data family of hateful.

32:48

Rhetoric. Seven One a political turmoil of

32:51

had to be a little more with

32:53

a political. Whole.

33:00

A free Society two six zero to be

33:02

a little bit more room for the. Whole.

33:11

One a free. The. Whole.

33:19

Seven one a free for certain

33:21

for you right turn headed girl

33:24

hydro join the runway Final approach.

33:28

And. I personally for the greater Santa Fe

33:30

whole sauce. you are two point nine miles

33:33

from God. Who are you going to figure

33:35

out where you go to join your protrude?

33:37

I target eighty eight. Years

33:45

navigation. Water.

33:51

Not even legal procedures. Or

33:55

understanding is that is not a great

33:57

way to approve. The

34:00

approach for if you know what you're doing. Are

34:03

you able to do it as the award or for an

34:05

Iowa? For. I.

34:09

Appreciate your position for their we've

34:11

exhausted long enough to get some

34:14

trouble here for those attributes like.

34:19

The Waters recruiter horses whether. Or

34:23

treaters you're willing to feel the of are. Going

34:26

on up for that. Doesn't

34:29

win a free girls. Are you able

34:31

to comply with the place? We could

34:33

defy Thursday for Silas whole. Family.

34:38

Several Therefore, you have the current weather.

34:40

Note of that: Hartford was supported dealing

34:42

with one thousand nine hundred broken. Researchers

34:48

are social. Creatures

34:51

though some stupid idea and are precisely

34:53

Santa Cruz get any fault, so I'll

34:56

be back. With that, it was something

34:58

else. I

35:02

understand. The future

35:04

I kind of course I

35:06

forgot to produce a the

35:08

odds are employed I a

35:10

bar or never goes off

35:12

about that maybe a whole

35:15

the author support our barboza

35:17

of guys. Something to do.

35:24

I hear you. I get it.

35:27

suffices. Reveals that he added pilots

35:29

deserve to save. Yours is bad.

35:33

Apple Devices. To

35:41

freak out if you overhear what I'm saying. That effort.

35:48

To my was a fly on.

35:50

Never forgot that I sat there

35:52

and I are far too. What

36:05

I got. My

36:10

bias as we work. Together

36:12

for. Eight

36:18

Up Again was a. Researcher

36:25

much for hours with and lot one,

36:28

two four three twenty four three of

36:30

us to go over to them. Now

36:32

say with me or your loyalty to

36:34

the my first year forfeiture three a

36:36

force him. To

36:44

well, That

36:46

was the instantly sketchy. I

36:50

think. There must be

36:52

some kind of a fundamental misunderstanding

36:54

by the pilot of the Mooney.

36:58

You know the the. Electronics My

37:00

bag be the I pad

37:03

or what's the the popular

37:05

room program the people use

37:07

on them. Was. In full

37:10

slow slide. Yeah, you know

37:12

it. It gives you the

37:14

approach played, it shows you

37:16

overlaid, You know your actual

37:18

past. If it's if you

37:20

have the equipment to make

37:22

him do that but you

37:24

cannot use. You cannot use

37:26

the I pad solely as

37:28

a substitute for built in

37:30

in own. Properly tested and

37:32

certified. Instrument

37:34

Flying Equipment Instruments on

37:36

your on your airplane.

37:39

I'm. It. Sounded. And

37:41

I mean I have that. He

37:44

was actually trying to. Fly.

37:47

Solely using. His.

37:49

I pad. I. Don't know.

37:52

Maybe maybe I am a misunderstanding of

37:54

what he was trying to do. Bad:

37:56

If you have a. A

37:58

that you are. Able

38:01

to fly are now approaches that

38:03

are better for a system as

38:05

built into your instrumentation your avionics

38:08

on your airplane when you enter

38:10

the the approach name the are

38:12

now the Runway Eight. It

38:14

should clearly show you in some

38:16

kind of I'm expression, most likely

38:18

a Nav map. Display them The

38:21

Sixers, Rossi, Razzie, or whatever the

38:23

Fix was a he was trying

38:25

to ancestors and John Jaws Room

38:27

or whatever that they were trying

38:29

to be used for me to

38:31

send the pilot to. I'm. So.

38:34

Why was he having trouble

38:37

seeing that? I don't understand.

38:40

I you're right right arm

38:42

I I'm considering the restrictions

38:44

on ass mind you were

38:47

in a commercial. Airlines are

38:49

unarmed, never actually see required.

38:51

I know it's a fly

38:53

around I've approached. Ah they

38:56

were. Very stringent he

38:58

had to confirm that or the

39:00

or accuracies were within the correct

39:02

limits to be on the fly.

39:05

That kind of an approach and

39:07

I don't know as far as

39:09

I pad will even give you

39:11

a level of accuracy to you

39:13

know authorize you to use to

39:16

fly see approach of i don't

39:18

know if you need to his

39:20

charity a pilot just mumbling around

39:22

other than once kinds of a

39:25

minimum requirement There is so. Either

39:27

south side my Express perhaps Essays

39:29

J Pilot the done well allies

39:32

are we would quite like to

39:34

a here in their what you're

39:36

saying but some I know we

39:38

are you still have a politically.

39:40

When we first got the Yeah

39:43

I pads I used to plugin

39:45

a add Gps aerial in and

39:47

damn. Thing

39:49

it was something cool. Green.

39:52

Goblin are so they. It was

39:54

a a Gps receiver which made

39:56

the I pad very accurate and

39:58

damn it would try. It. Down

40:01

the approach plate. While

40:03

we were fly an airplane using out the

40:05

aircraft crit months I was gonna say a crescent

40:07

this i impact on me and I was

40:09

really not bad. You know you could more or

40:12

less fly it only I pad it's like

40:14

other times as or something I think why he

40:16

was young I used a little airplane signal

40:18

said elegy give us the approach the most attacks

40:20

on a lot of something the or something

40:22

devil or something like that. I

40:25

know what you're talking about like a little

40:27

yeah I gentlemen I listed on the airplane

40:29

once and the of never saw it as

40:31

gifts in the city is some injured his.

40:33

Pockets of Expect Vous I

40:35

always played mentioned as predicted

40:37

just secretly been another pilots

40:39

Pockets. Because say,

40:42

if I was a really neat piece,

40:44

get one chief opponents. Anyway, it's. A

40:47

fascinating ah and I don't

40:49

know if he was actually

40:51

using instruments that the I

40:53

pad was says have something

40:55

for hims and it reminded

40:57

me that I've got i've

40:59

got something on my. Phone

41:03

calls, spyglass of identities and see

41:05

that but it provides you with

41:07

a heads up display. Tend to

41:09

think it's a can give you

41:11

a choice Boss is Scott Compass

41:13

attached to it is it'll say

41:15

you are rolling those a very

41:17

clever Scott Gps so it'll give

41:20

you a way points all that

41:22

kind of stuff. I'm but and

41:24

I used to I put it

41:26

on my sign for the So

41:28

realized one day if we get.

41:31

All. His servants sale always back

41:33

outside of a lot of us is

41:35

still prop up the with Sisters. And

41:38

a half ago using that I have

41:40

a lot of points out. I haven't

41:42

been keeping up with all this new

41:44

technology that Apple apparently has the I

41:46

far kids the I pad flight rules

41:48

it doesn't require it is to subscribe

41:50

to for find it comes with Apple

41:52

maps and say that premise that and

41:55

I am the thing that you to

41:57

showed us that spy whatever I'm in

41:59

now you're getting. Who needs

42:01

avionics? You know they're expensive.

42:04

M O Se. Going back to Lugers

42:07

comment about ah he says I had

42:09

the impression that he tried to fly

42:11

the approach with reference to the plate

42:13

on the I pad only but the

42:16

own ship position. His aircraft position did

42:18

not show up totally illegal. Even if

42:20

it did show up a still illegal

42:23

that's just for reference. As an aside,

42:25

this is not for actually flying and

42:27

approach. As

42:29

at Asia. Bio else that was the

42:31

main I think Gps kit bad else

42:34

that's it. Thank you Yeah exactly that's

42:36

I had one of them to that

42:38

are probably have one and some little

42:40

been somewhere. Ah it's not a trash

42:42

bin but I'm from like a regular

42:44

plastic storage them. And

42:48

interestingly so,

42:50

Delta. Was

42:52

one or both. Last major

42:54

airlines to actually start getting

42:57

the approval to show your

42:59

own ship position on some

43:01

of these A. Flight.

43:04

Publications and your electronic fly bag

43:06

because the i don't know this

43:08

is true or if it's almost

43:10

hard for me to believe. But

43:12

the concern apparently and now the

43:14

in the management realm was that

43:17

we were going to use our

43:19

I pads to fly. Ah,

43:21

Instrument approaches and I'm to compressor.

43:23

Are you kidding me? Up it?

43:25

What? Did. You really think that

43:27

we were that that I would happen and

43:29

that the and as apparently that was the

43:31

reluctance. Now that could be to have you

43:34

a July. This story about really none of

43:36

it as a white. Are you a Blackhawk

43:38

in our audience? As for the longest time

43:40

the F A A wouldn't let us turn

43:42

on own ship. They were afraid someone would

43:44

use it for primary nav. We said who

43:46

would be stupid enough to do this? So

43:49

I think that's the problem here, that a

43:51

lot of the people that thought that that

43:53

could be a problem or people that don't

43:55

really get into airplane. Cockpits very often

43:57

and actually fly. Because

44:01

if there if they did then

44:03

they would realize how stupid that

44:05

concern would be. I. Think. My

44:08

ah the concern about this is

44:10

situation is sense. If

44:13

this guy did a proper

44:15

insert flying course and got

44:17

himself rated, he would. Have

44:20

been told the restrictions about

44:22

what kids he can use

44:24

to fly. I have farts

44:26

and either is deliberately breaking

44:28

those rules. Oh, he's never

44:30

been formally rate is. I

44:33

suspect that the never gave us

44:35

the yeah that it might be

44:37

a do it yourself I fr rating

44:40

that he says it's losing as as

44:42

get one online mail order. How

44:44

hard can it be Venus gotta hand

44:46

I pad and the tend to own

44:49

a restaurant tell ya. The controller was

44:51

very good p You could tell he

44:53

was losing his patients just a little

44:56

bit better. The Bay City see

44:58

unknown. And I think

45:00

is off road is this lies at the end

45:02

That exactly. He was concern for

45:04

hours in the last comment and oh

45:06

tim Been ram says probably would have

45:08

worked on the I pad had he

45:11

put it in airplane mode. On,

45:14

you're not gonna happen. Powerful,

45:16

that's pride. every of right.

45:18

A success but a in

45:20

on. So it was nice

45:22

that he was reluctant to

45:24

in a he can force

45:26

him not to. You

45:29

know not. cancel. I afar

45:31

and go Bfr you know he he

45:33

tried to talk him into no no

45:35

no no don't do that in I'm

45:37

concerned so you know it is shows

45:39

a level concern of this controller in

45:41

addition to the level of frustration that

45:43

he had as well but he was

45:45

very lonely. Don't know if this is

45:48

a good idea or not. Now I

45:50

mention the Am Martinsburg, West Virginia West

45:52

Virginia actually and it's a it's a

45:54

pretty it's a pretty good. Long

45:57

runway, good facilities and everything else. In

45:59

fact it's were. Aura, Captain Pyke

46:01

Zoc and El Nino in the Eighty

46:03

Three community flies for the Air Force

46:06

Reserves see seven teams so they have

46:08

a reserve unit that says station their

46:10

Martinsburg, West Virginia and so they are.

46:12

They propose standing stand on the beach

46:15

is that? Well they do yells at

46:17

the semester trust me I've I've seen

46:19

this airport and I phone over and

46:22

factor size night arm and dispatcher Mike

46:24

and I know I know as of

46:26

yeah was dispatcher my can I. Think

46:29

or no, no no no I'm

46:31

there was another a Pg community

46:34

member and pilot and we flew

46:36

from ah the Dc area over

46:38

to Am a Pennsylvania years ago

46:40

and on the went to go

46:42

see the of the United Airlines

46:44

and about the memorial for a

46:46

on Nine eleven Sundance Now thanks

46:49

oh my thank you how is

46:51

is where we were headed and

46:53

on the way we flew almost

46:55

like run over the top of

46:57

the Martinsburg. West Virginia

46:59

that airport. Very nice airport.

47:02

So anyway, Yeah,

47:04

so that's that's can I can have. Sadly,

47:07

were probably never going to know exactly what happened

47:09

here if he really had the idea that

47:11

you can. Legally fly his

47:13

g airplanes using just and

47:15

I pad or not. I

47:17

don't know. And.

47:19

I. Are on so

47:21

we've started discussion now those are

47:24

probably reverberate for few or share

47:26

this idea. Maybe somebody

47:28

will be able to chime

47:30

in dumbest the answer to

47:32

our questions. All right I'm

47:35

oh, this is from the

47:37

next one and preliminary report

47:39

on the Grumman Cougar Crash,

47:41

ah Sahm Dos and Synthesizer

47:43

News I'm to us In

47:45

a previous episode he discussed

47:47

as crass this of the

47:49

Ntsb is preliminary report. The

47:51

last three paragraphs on page

47:54

three are interesting. the right

47:56

feel cap was missing. A

47:58

rubber gasket. That. Help. To

48:00

keep water from entering the

48:02

fuel tank, the right engine

48:04

fuel system showed evidence of

48:06

water and debris. In addition,

48:08

the report talks about a

48:10

pilot in command of being

48:12

in a rush. Okay,

48:15

those are not getting gradients

48:17

for a safe not operation.

48:22

Yeah. Let's see. Ah,

48:24

I'm not gonna read the whole preliminary

48:26

report, will have this in the show

48:28

notes, but damn. And

48:31

Sam was mentioning according to company

48:33

an airport employees at Chester County

48:35

Ah G O Carlson Airport. My

48:39

Quebec Sierra. The pilot arrived around twelve

48:41

thirty a made it clear that he

48:43

was in a hurry. And he

48:45

had a return flight from Knoxville, Tennessee,

48:47

but at eighteen hundred that evening he

48:49

called the fuel truck multiple times and

48:51

indicated to the linesman that he was

48:53

in a hurry and was not pleased

48:55

with their delayed response to his feel

48:57

request. The airplanes one hundred and sixteen

48:59

gallon fuel system a service with eighty

49:01

gallons of fuel which reached to the

49:03

tabs in each fuel tanks. According

49:06

to witnesses and surveillance video, the pilot

49:08

did not obtain fuel samples from the

49:10

airplanes fuel tanks prior to take off

49:13

and that's what we call that draining

49:15

the swamp. I'm no going under the

49:17

wing and having her era. What is

49:19

a constant some train device? Come on

49:22

helping out people in the city. Wide

49:24

audience, hokey thing with a tough under

49:26

these it? yeah, but you see the

49:29

over. If it's Ravel's yeah, you could

49:31

push it upward into the valve on

49:33

the underside of the wing where the

49:35

wing. From fuel Tank is in it

49:38

feel comes into the thing. and then

49:40

and water and fuel do not mix

49:42

well and the water drops to the

49:44

bottom. My billie because waters yeah the

49:46

world is heavier. Admit yeah I'm and

49:48

episodes gonna collect right there at the

49:50

bottom of that fuel tank. And

49:54

you always do that. You

49:56

always debt financing takes a

49:58

few sessions. The events that

50:01

say you work has his sentencing

50:03

Safe to fly rights are they

50:05

different Disassembled the right engine carburetor

50:08

and revealed in intact float. the

50:10

mixture arm, Mr Cable, throttle armor

50:12

all secure to the carburetor feel

50:14

drained from the ball was blue

50:17

and color and contained visible water

50:19

and debris soaks. The blue color

50:21

is the. Indicating

50:23

that he had the proper

50:26

fuel enough fuel tanks. But.

50:29

The visible water and debris is not

50:31

something you'd want. To

50:33

see. That

50:35

test set. A detective

50:37

water in the feel. Oh,

50:39

it's not good. Yeah

50:43

so that is. That is definitely

50:45

a concern and the my be

50:47

the reason why. At

50:49

least one of the engine sounds

50:51

like the right engine may have

50:53

failed. And as we talked about

50:55

earlier, this particular airplane especially as

50:58

as a twin engine airplane bed

51:00

and easier airplanes are not certified

51:02

to the same level data and

51:04

transport category Aircraft Arts and the

51:06

losing an engine and of light

51:08

twin especially an underpowered like twin

51:10

like this Grumman. Is.

51:13

Not like you can fly around all day and

51:15

that remaining engine. It's more like are you have

51:17

a little bit of control about where you're going

51:19

to crash land? A centrally from

51:21

one of us will resist. say about the

51:24

jagger a jet fighter is. Edges were so

51:26

weakened. Fable: If one fails earth, the other

51:28

one would take you to the scene of

51:30

the crash. Dump.

51:34

Much. Some continue on with

51:36

some this again from

51:38

the Aviation Herald Simon

51:40

Strategies Great Aviation Site.

51:43

It's a preliminary report on

51:46

a United Nigeria Embraer.

51:48

E R J One Forty

51:50

five the Reform performing a

51:53

flight from Oh Boy other

51:55

car leaky to law

51:57

goes with Lagos with. The

52:00

people on board landed at Low Doses runway

52:02

one. I laughed at about fifteen hundred locals

52:04

a beard right off the runway and came

52:06

to a stop on soft ground with a

52:09

nose gear collapsed. There were no injuries. The.

52:12

Airline report of the aircraft was forced to terminate

52:14

it's movement to the apron off the runway. And.

52:19

Forced Air Force to terminate aircraft that

52:22

was forced upon the do the pilots

52:24

you know and what you think it

52:26

would have made it if they at

52:28

the piles and tried to move it

52:31

from their position of the runway to

52:33

the apron. A passengers report of the

52:35

aircraft was rolling out on Wednesday afternoon

52:38

when the about halfway through the rollout

52:40

the landing rollout the. Aircraft began

52:42

to shake due to tire detachment

52:44

from when off the runway. Let's

52:48

see if two people on board to

52:50

flight crew to cabin crew ah the

52:52

going to some details of the site

52:54

here. With. Was

52:57

or any. I don't think it

52:59

was any indication of any issue

53:01

before they landed. Looks like normal

53:03

conversations between tower and the pilots

53:05

are the smite. Weather

53:08

was good at the time, no rain,

53:10

know precipitation of any sort During the

53:12

landing role tower observe the aircraft veer

53:15

off to the run of the runway

53:17

centerline on the the grass birds between

53:19

linked three and four coming to stop

53:22

on the grass. And

53:25

then they said Mayday. Mayday.

53:27

Mayday and their tower activated

53:29

Crash alarm, Aerodrome rescue and

53:31

firefighting services moved to the

53:33

side immediately. And.

53:37

Away all the passengers disembark, normally

53:39

with an injury. And

53:41

yeah, great weather. And.

53:45

Something. To Sonos geared has collapsed.

53:47

Yeah. Nose gear, landing gear assembly

53:50

collapsed. I can. Sounds

53:54

like there nothing they can do. Well.

53:56

As a way to reno why

53:59

we're what's that they but to

54:01

tire aura tendency. Problem.

54:04

With the nose was staring us something.

54:07

I. Was once a out they. They.

54:09

Do as the I mentioned

54:11

here and immediate safety recommendation

54:13

to the Opera The End

54:15

The and as I be

54:17

ah, I'm United Nigeria Airline

54:20

should ensure compliance with Embraer

54:22

Service Bulletin. One

54:24

Forty Five Hours Three, Two Dots

54:26

are-the. Zero. Zero Nine Nine. The.

54:29

Safety Bullets or Service Bulletin

54:31

recommended upgrading the nose wheel

54:33

steering hydraulic manifold which required

54:36

inspecting specific dimensions that were

54:38

considered critical for the proper

54:40

operation of the O rings

54:42

seals within days. Of

54:45

yeah, Oh yeah, I wish I'd thought of

54:47

the fact that you're gonna do that. To

54:51

ensure that they were within tolerance

54:54

limits. so that might be a

54:56

little clue to yeah, main his

54:58

resume complied. With. Their. Was

55:01

made sure that people know this isn't

55:03

United Airlines to see a slight United

55:05

Airlines as United Nigeria Ah airlines are

55:08

not actors any connection between the two

55:10

other than the name United. All.

55:13

Right? And I'm continuing

55:16

on with this from

55:18

fortune.com. Misfortune

55:20

for Mr. Ed Clark. Ah, Boeing

55:23

ousted the head of At Seven

55:25

Thirty Seven Max program, shaking up

55:27

management less than two months after

55:30

the Mid Air a blowout that's

55:32

led to withering scrutiny of manufacturing

55:34

quality and the Us. planemaker and

55:37

Clark who helped ramp up Seven

55:39

Three Seven production in the aftermath

55:41

of the Coven nineteen pandemic. Is

55:44

stepping down immediately after nearly eighteen

55:47

years. A Boeing. The. Company

55:49

said Wednesday Katie Ringgold succeeds him

55:51

as vice President and General Manager

55:53

of the Seven Thirty some programs

55:55

and Bo is fact but for

55:58

and Boeings factory in Renton. Washington.

56:01

Knowing also promoted production. She's

56:03

Elizabeth learned to a new

56:05

post as Senior Vice President.

56:09

Senior Vice President of Quality

56:11

at Boeing Commercial Airplanes. She

56:13

will also serve on the

56:15

Executive committee as chair of

56:17

the Planemakers Quality Operations Council.

56:21

Yeah, but management changes are the

56:23

first undertaken since the company was

56:25

plunged into crisis after a door

56:27

plug exploded. Others are nearly new.

56:30

Seven thirty seven max on January

56:32

set. Ah turns

56:34

out as we know now

56:36

the for bolts that were

56:38

to keep the door plug

56:40

from shifting and a vertical

56:42

plane Ah ended up not

56:44

being installed. they were missing

56:46

completely from the aircraft and

56:48

eventual he the the door

56:50

applied was able to move

56:52

vertically and. Months. And

56:54

happened they were off the stamps and. That

56:57

despite that thing off on the

56:59

aircraft pressurized. oh are you a

57:01

blackhawk and are live audience as

57:03

he is pursuing endeavors and other

57:05

areas of the aviation industry. yeah

57:07

it look at for a job

57:09

because he does get fired even

57:11

though since I resigned an. Anomaly.

57:16

Their ago so you know at

57:18

least looks like and Boeings trying

57:20

to do something to sit ins

57:22

in a salvage the on the

57:25

ship is kind of or situation

57:27

with the shares have tumbled twenty

57:29

three percent this year say son

57:31

is need to be seen to

57:34

be doing something and on the

57:36

usual trait is just to fire

57:38

somebody and depending on the seriousness

57:40

of the problem they a higher

57:42

rank of the person they fire

57:45

science at. All.

57:47

Right arm and that one

57:49

this one from the Aviation

57:52

safety.net. Com and

57:54

she was a plot

57:56

us Pc Twelve and

57:58

this occurred. While

58:00

landing at course of all France

58:02

to the center course of a.

58:07

Of. The European Aircraft Private Club

58:09

flight Btc sixteen s of a

58:11

lattice Pc twelve performing a Very/positioning

58:13

from Brussels South Charleroi airports have

58:16

suffered a runway excursion during a

58:18

landing attempt at the course of

58:21

opt for our out L to

58:23

board a first at the I.

58:25

When I was reading this I

58:28

saw out a port. Nothing at

58:30

all them really. Butchered

58:32

Airport. But apparently L deport

58:34

is a thing and will

58:36

have a link to the

58:39

Wicked Claudio thing as a.

58:41

well it's It's A it's

58:43

a place that I should

58:45

probably kept as readily available.

58:47

Said I could read from

58:49

the Wikipedia. ah. Maybe

58:52

some. a couple that up and they can. Yeah.

58:55

The runway it's it's erm, an

58:57

airport them heresy. Interesting

59:00

characteristics like our like

59:02

a launching ramp. Pretty

59:04

hectic if for some

59:06

ramsey. How

59:08

to what does of outer. Was.

59:12

A calling please our support. Ah,

59:18

I'm. And.

59:20

L to Port isn't aerodrome for

59:22

small airplanes and helicopters situated on

59:25

or within mountainous terrain. Out a

59:27

boards are generally characterized by having

59:29

a runway with an atypical slope

59:31

to sit in the local typography.

59:34

Ultimately, the slope helps aircraft decelerating

59:36

when landing and assists acceleration when

59:38

taking off is very go. That's

59:40

when an L to Port is

59:43

and when looking and some other

59:45

pictures came off ya the left

59:47

wing is completely off the aircraft

59:49

and apparently. There was no fuel

59:51

spill, so I guess the tank

59:53

inside that left wing stayed intact.

59:57

That's pretty. Or maybe they do have a little bit really good, but

59:59

it could. It could have been

1:00:01

a big boom. Perhaps. Did.

1:00:06

So. He came in a bit low and hit

1:00:08

the end of the runway a bit. on what

1:00:11

does that mean Smith's Er Det. Well,

1:00:14

a bit A Not enough to

1:00:16

sheer off the left wing, but

1:00:18

not to completely implode or explode

1:00:21

the airplane. Apparently mean.

1:00:24

That. Would have been. I'm gonna get

1:00:26

to see the and of that

1:00:28

term snow bank there besides the

1:00:30

runway. I thought for minute the

1:00:32

the my siddig his wing into

1:00:35

the snow bank and these are

1:00:37

torn off that way but earth's

1:00:39

nada think so? I'm not sure

1:00:41

there was a. That

1:00:44

lives as showing of of.

1:00:47

Snapshot from a security camera

1:00:49

ah that runs at fifteen

1:00:51

minute intervals in time lapse

1:00:53

mode. And so when I

1:00:55

was going through some of

1:00:57

the images this is the

1:00:59

image of occurred right after

1:01:01

the Pc Twelve had an.

1:01:04

Impact. Of the. Start

1:01:07

of the runway and. The

1:01:09

one thirty minutes prior I didn't

1:01:11

even see the airplane coming in

1:01:14

from landing and was just a

1:01:16

completely bare. Run my son surface

1:01:18

of the time so. Nice

1:01:20

day. I'd hoped that there would be

1:01:23

some you know, some video of the

1:01:25

whole a bad but apparently not. Yeah

1:01:27

beautiful day there before mountains and snow.

1:01:29

yeah I found a pitcher bit further

1:01:32

down which is part of the you

1:01:34

to than others. Have a fair bit

1:01:36

of some space between the size of

1:01:38

the runway and the snow banks by

1:01:40

the looks of it. so we're not

1:01:43

is just sense of sly he thinks

1:01:45

is weighing on the landing and. Sell

1:01:49

us off again to have

1:01:51

been again a lot worse.

1:01:54

Birth they've had. I think they

1:01:57

had several. Accidents in the

1:01:59

past. This. Out of want. To

1:02:03

watch rookie. To

1:02:05

be specially qualified to fly in their I

1:02:07

would think so. You. All

1:02:10

right Ah am now say is not

1:02:12

finally I was gonna say finally but

1:02:14

we're getting close to be and other

1:02:17

of the news segments. Or

1:02:19

Aviation Herald again update. After

1:02:22

the final report. Okay, so

1:02:24

we did talk about this

1:02:26

final report or this incident

1:02:29

involved Singapore or Triple Seven

1:02:31

Three Hundred that was performing

1:02:33

a flight from London Heathrow

1:02:35

to Singapore. And.

1:02:38

So they departed London with one hundred

1:02:41

and six thousand, one hundred and sixty

1:02:43

four kilograms of fuel. While they were

1:02:45

dissenting towards Singapore or that Singapore approach

1:02:47

tolbert true to expect to zero right

1:02:50

from landing, flight management computer indicate that

1:02:52

would land with seven thousand kilograms a

1:02:54

few. Remaining well

1:02:56

above the three thousand and

1:02:59

eighty four kilograms of requirement

1:03:01

Fuel required. Final reserve Your.

1:03:04

Four minutes later approach instructed the crew

1:03:07

to enter a whole duda tailwind for

1:03:09

two Zero right? The weather radar on

1:03:11

board the aircraft show the aerodrome was

1:03:13

receiving heavy precipitation. Lot of come back

1:03:16

to back to that he that day.

1:03:18

Basically what happened here is the the

1:03:20

wrote the weather was not great. There

1:03:22

were our waves of conduct of activity

1:03:24

covering the airport. And. This

1:03:27

flight ended up holding for

1:03:29

a while and then decided

1:03:31

to switch to the alternate

1:03:33

air airport. And long story

1:03:35

short, they burned through as

1:03:37

heck of a lot of

1:03:39

fuel. There were several things

1:03:41

that happened ah on the

1:03:43

many attempts to land at

1:03:45

times, but ham and. They.

1:03:50

Ended up finally getting the airplane

1:03:52

on the ground after several attempts

1:03:54

and are so that we we'd

1:03:57

kind of. Finished. Talking

1:03:59

about. However, there was

1:04:01

a question about how much

1:04:03

fuel was actually remaining Into

1:04:05

said that it was well

1:04:07

below the final reserve fuel

1:04:09

of three thousand and twenty

1:04:11

four kilograms. Turns out, And.

1:04:15

It's is hard to believe. ah,

1:04:17

the actual fuel that they had

1:04:19

available. And when they finally ended

1:04:21

up stopping a flight three hundred

1:04:24

and sixty two point eight, seven

1:04:26

kilograms which is about eight hundred

1:04:28

pounds. Eight hundred

1:04:31

pounds of fuel.

1:04:34

In a triple seven snack

1:04:36

flying from London? that's not

1:04:38

snyder wanna feel at all.

1:04:41

That's like ten percent of

1:04:43

of your required. Final:

1:04:45

Reserve feel. Man.

1:04:49

Of fits. In with. The

1:04:51

I'm glad that we were talking about

1:04:53

this as an incident and not an

1:04:55

accident where they ran out of fuel

1:04:57

and crashed. Yeah. I'm sorry

1:04:59

they yeah came so close

1:05:02

suddenly side place yes. There.

1:05:06

Is are interesting. I mean I

1:05:08

did read the assessment of far

1:05:11

by the inquiry on the oh

1:05:13

come on this decisions on the

1:05:16

cruise decisions and damn it is

1:05:18

pretty long an emboldened I don't

1:05:20

necessarily agree with it all birds

1:05:23

because I love of a says

1:05:25

oh or up with we see

1:05:27

now what you did wrong. Frame

1:05:31

but at the time when

1:05:33

you're working from just in

1:05:35

over actual. Seven Saltire send

1:05:38

you don't really know what

1:05:40

the weather's gonna do. Ah,

1:05:42

the their decision to divert

1:05:44

their basically criticize serve for

1:05:47

hanging around too long before

1:05:49

attempting a diversion which meant

1:05:51

the weather I was moving

1:05:53

into their diversion. I'm just

1:05:55

a nice it's a terrible

1:05:58

situation to be for. Into

1:06:00

as a commander when you've you're

1:06:02

getting low, unseal and eve less

1:06:04

somewhere with that weather and the

1:06:06

place you going to all of

1:06:09

a sudden that sucks in as

1:06:11

well. I is just horrible. Ah

1:06:13

so I've. Got. Sympathy with the

1:06:15

crew, but they do make the point

1:06:17

that it's a see it diverted. When

1:06:20

he initially told air traffic he was

1:06:22

going to, he probably would have been

1:06:24

fine. Ah, What a get

1:06:26

that got there ahead of the

1:06:28

weather by the a he wasn't

1:06:30

guaranteed to know how far set

1:06:33

where the was moving in that

1:06:35

it wouldn't still be reasonable when

1:06:37

he got less lot since our

1:06:39

areas that and also rat in

1:06:42

are they make the point that

1:06:44

stay at one point they were

1:06:46

doing an auto land and dumb

1:06:48

because they localized fine of course

1:06:50

and the Us or say land

1:06:53

checks that the system does reveal.

1:06:55

That there was a one degree

1:06:57

era in the costs between the

1:07:00

what was required and what they

1:07:02

have. They got a no water

1:07:04

land message even though the flight

1:07:07

crew were able. To. They

1:07:09

were in size of a landing

1:07:11

runway they elected to go around

1:07:13

and I'm gonna have the two

1:07:15

sisters debates. You may not have

1:07:17

understood exactly at the time wise

1:07:20

and I know water landmasses, but

1:07:22

it's irrelevant. If. He did say

1:07:24

the runway exactly they my own tail

1:07:26

and isn't gonna stop if are blindly

1:07:28

out of it on a is slightly

1:07:30

center the time he x three and

1:07:33

plates tens of as arguments now I'm

1:07:35

if we got we really went into

1:07:37

a lot of detail of the final

1:07:39

really is a few months back and

1:07:41

of i don't remember one episode of

1:07:43

was bad at the reason why we

1:07:45

haven't today's show as just basically a

1:07:47

little a denim because that we still

1:07:49

had that question like will how much

1:07:51

Today hands free media. And

1:07:54

that really is hop around six

1:07:56

months time when you've got that

1:07:58

little sales. Okay,

1:08:02

Just received word from Producer Lives

1:08:04

that Nick Camacho was not going

1:08:06

to be able to join us

1:08:09

today such as Deaths the to

1:08:11

old retired Daves and and a

1:08:13

retired Producers Ssds. So three retired

1:08:16

people I know ever leaving the

1:08:18

chat room on are now that

1:08:20

are everybody. Okay,

1:08:23

Ah, let's of this and this

1:08:25

is already discussed. This is a

1:08:27

little disgusting for sure. Again from

1:08:30

the Aviation Herald. Ah Delta Airlines

1:08:32

Airbus A Three Thirty three hundred.

1:08:35

Registration. Of number Eighty one

1:08:37

Northwest and W performing flight One

1:08:40

Thirty Three from Amsterdam to Detroit

1:08:42

with and root out vital the

1:08:44

Three Four Zero about thirty nautical

1:08:47

miles east of Manchester when the

1:08:49

crew decided to return to Amsterdam.

1:08:52

The crew rick requested an auto

1:08:55

land back into Amsterdam eight is.

1:08:57

He told them approach cannot guarantee

1:08:59

the aerial would be free and

1:09:02

would require some delay. The crew

1:09:04

accepted a delay which subsequently got

1:09:06

cancelled. Their aircraft performed in Ottawa

1:09:09

and on Amsterdam's Runway One Eight

1:09:11

right. About. Ninety minutes

1:09:13

past departure? I'm not really

1:09:15

sure. Why? All that

1:09:17

information was included in there and why

1:09:19

it was important that they have to

1:09:22

do an online approach. But

1:09:25

see, If you. Know feel

1:09:27

the same way after we

1:09:29

real that more the reason

1:09:31

why we're talking about as

1:09:33

incidents and the reason why

1:09:35

they decided to turn around

1:09:37

and land back and Amsterdam

1:09:39

was a passenger Reported he

1:09:41

noticed a fellow passenger was

1:09:43

brushing maggots off of their

1:09:45

seat besides her with a

1:09:47

piece of paper. The woman

1:09:50

subsequently explained the maggots appear

1:09:52

to. Be. Falling from the

1:09:54

overhead bins, Alerted cabin

1:09:56

crew opened the overhead bin

1:09:58

to determine where the maggots

1:10:00

came from. About ten maggots

1:10:02

fell down upon opening the

1:10:04

been. The maggots were traced

1:10:06

to a bag the overhead bin.

1:10:09

Upon opening of the bag, everybody

1:10:11

near the bag held their know

1:10:13

it noses. The owner of that

1:10:16

I explained it contained fish, wrapped,

1:10:18

a newspaper, Captain's

1:10:21

cabin crew frappe the bag into

1:10:23

plastics and ticket to the back

1:10:25

of the aircraft. In

1:10:27

the meantime other passengers started

1:10:29

to look out for maggots

1:10:31

to using flashlights on their

1:10:34

mobile phones of like are

1:10:36

subsequently announced they were returning

1:10:38

to Amsterdam. The airline report

1:10:40

of the aircraft returned due

1:10:42

to an improperly packed carry

1:10:44

on bag. Issues that improperly

1:10:46

packed with maggots. a mass

1:10:48

of passengers were you were

1:10:50

rebooked onto the next available

1:10:52

flights. Aircraft was taken out

1:10:54

of service for deep cleaning.

1:10:58

It was there. remain on the

1:11:00

ground for another twenty six hours

1:11:02

and then they positioned to Detroit.

1:11:05

Submitted but passengers on it and is

1:11:07

currently still on the ground and detroit

1:11:09

about fifty two hours or this is

1:11:11

a while back as on on of

1:11:13

it's still on the ground. There are

1:11:15

since finally been cleaned well enough. Success!

1:11:17

As appear. Yeah,

1:11:20

how does that even get through Tc

1:11:23

Attiya say that's a good question? I

1:11:25

don't know. Maybe probably does. the sheriff

1:11:27

on. The. Detectors or An and

1:11:29

maybe it just wasn't quite right. Been

1:11:31

us at that point for to the

1:11:33

skin of the Sigma Tic epithets. Ah,

1:11:35

we'll see when Mega Man had only

1:11:38

status as the new safety briefing. When

1:11:40

maggots drop from the overhead panels, place

1:11:42

them over your nose and mouth and

1:11:44

breathe normally Fff and and. Not

1:11:47

good. Deal. Ironic

1:11:49

says sounds fishy to me. How.

1:11:52

Did it get through security and same

1:11:54

same kind of question I announces yeah,

1:11:56

that was a very touchy situation. One

1:11:59

possible. That her. Mourinho.

1:12:02

They were given eight thousand

1:12:04

free air miles, hotel room

1:12:06

conversation, and thirty Zola meal

1:12:08

tickets for. Further

1:12:10

Fish Restaurant Ssssss. At

1:12:15

of essence of serious wonderful. says.

1:12:18

And days of my service in newspaper

1:12:20

Assess, Assess the. Maggots

1:12:22

for you though. I. Write this

1:12:25

last one. Oh good. You know

1:12:27

we have will always have to

1:12:29

have at least one article from

1:12:31

Paddle Your Own Canoe. Ah with

1:12:33

Ctsh officers. Discovered. To

1:12:36

more they didn't discover the

1:12:38

fish but they did discover

1:12:40

to mortar rounds and a

1:12:42

passengers luggage and Ontario airport

1:12:44

in California. We know someone

1:12:47

that flies to Ontario a lot that

1:12:49

Miami read. I always do.

1:12:51

I think mine your it does fighter

1:12:53

Ontario Ontario quite a bit and he

1:12:55

does have quite a mortar collection. Christmas

1:12:58

was not. are not anymore? Yes, weren't

1:13:00

any martyr. Passenger

1:13:02

was stopped at the Ontario Airport

1:13:05

in California earlier this week with

1:13:07

to eighty one millimeter more rep

1:13:09

move mortar rounds in their luggage

1:13:12

as they were discovered by hearsay

1:13:14

officers do during routine screening. Thankfully

1:13:16

both the mortar rounds were inert,

1:13:19

but whether decommissioned or not, mortar

1:13:21

rounds are most definitely banned from

1:13:23

both hand baggage and checked in

1:13:25

on edge. In

1:13:28

a cheeky post on a source

1:13:30

on social media site. Acts.

1:13:32

And we know it was before. We don't have to say it.

1:13:35

And A T S A reminded

1:13:37

passengers to always double check what

1:13:40

they have in their luggage, less

1:13:42

they forget you've forgotten that you've

1:13:44

got some explosives stashed in their

1:13:46

bags. And this case, it doesn't

1:13:48

sound like a passenger got in

1:13:50

much trouble for trying to bring

1:13:52

these prohibited items onto a commercial

1:13:54

airliner. but it doesn't Always. and

1:13:56

so well. And Twenty Twenty One

1:13:58

Impact of teenage. Italian

1:14:00

tourist in London. Ended

1:14:03

up being jailed for two months after

1:14:05

trying to bring a dick and decommissioned

1:14:07

hand grenade on a plane at Heathrow

1:14:09

Airport. Ah. He

1:14:11

was quickly surrounded by armed

1:14:13

police after security officer officers

1:14:16

detected the. Put

1:14:18

the the. Grotto days. Off

1:14:21

he had a very large cup of

1:14:23

coffee. while yes, yes are made it

1:14:25

is ethically man grammar made in it

1:14:28

And during routine x ray screening of

1:14:30

his hand luggage. So

1:14:32

you know sort of us as as a

1:14:34

question I whole boxes has a question for

1:14:36

as was this passenger A mason. Does

1:14:39

he had martyr Ghana? That

1:14:42

bad loans That was even

1:14:44

worth pointing out to anybody.

1:14:47

Oh my gosh. okay. Ah,

1:14:51

raised in what else to say other

1:14:53

them. News is over.

1:14:55

Let's get on with getting to

1:14:58

know us. Thankfully off the keeps

1:15:00

getting to know us the time

1:15:02

of the show where we'd get

1:15:04

all caught up with what is

1:15:06

been happening with at least a

1:15:08

couple of us as an approach

1:15:11

yes I'm so kept a neck.

1:15:14

How how about their now? That was kind of

1:15:16

a it was kind of a down. Ceiling

1:15:19

last show because you're you're you're

1:15:21

one of your pets. had been

1:15:24

there was was quite ill. Yeah,

1:15:27

I'm afraid that down feeding

1:15:29

got even worse because a

1:15:31

Rusty, our oldest of ah,

1:15:33

three dogs. Sadly,

1:15:35

illness was too bad for

1:15:37

her to survive certs. Ah,

1:15:40

we said our goodbyes Saw

1:15:42

after a week of trying

1:15:44

really hard to so have

1:15:46

a pool true and hoping

1:15:48

that some in the end

1:15:50

it was all. Ah, Too.

1:15:53

Little too late. Ah they they

1:15:55

business really didn't find out the

1:15:58

exact cause either So. But

1:16:01

she was dreadfully. I'm saying

1:16:03

that was sound savvy. A

1:16:05

very unhappy ending to that

1:16:07

little seen am but tests

1:16:09

we kind of fab. Saw

1:16:11

a pet cemetery in our

1:16:13

garden so I set to

1:16:15

and we've put our in.

1:16:17

Besides the for other big

1:16:19

dogs that we have in

1:16:21

there was a doberman, a

1:16:23

ah, a German short haired

1:16:25

pointer and to baseless a

1:16:27

in that little plot now

1:16:29

joined. By another faceless sites

1:16:31

are we've got quite a

1:16:33

little selection down there and

1:16:35

have see their own bouncing

1:16:37

around having or leaped over

1:16:40

the rainbow bridge together. I'm

1:16:42

so that was sap, was

1:16:44

very unhappy but never lost.

1:16:46

goes on, we still got

1:16:48

to Lovely Dogs to look

1:16:50

after and then our priority

1:16:52

so that was at I'm

1:16:54

apart from science I'm not

1:16:56

much else really enough and

1:16:58

luster zone with the. Usual.

1:17:00

ah and term.

1:17:04

Know as I was. nothing special,

1:17:06

little just the cover up Puffs

1:17:08

talks about Weeks has some interesting

1:17:10

suggestions on success, success that costs.

1:17:13

They was the ninth seat of

1:17:15

the a passenger who are on

1:17:17

this petition or something. Air I

1:17:20

think I say wanted to go

1:17:22

flying. They had to sit on

1:17:24

the on the toilet switch with

1:17:26

was converted into a seat for

1:17:29

takeoff and landing. I'm not sure

1:17:31

how were. They

1:17:33

coped with that during flight

1:17:36

so wanted to go to

1:17:38

the live at Ajax. I'm

1:17:40

sorry have that. We have

1:17:42

a Pg, Basle, Gap and

1:17:44

Unsc that was someone's suggestions

1:17:46

assortment of quite where that

1:17:48

is still around it phrase

1:17:50

came from yeah some on

1:17:52

our lives yes France the

1:17:54

case that was another suggests

1:17:56

oh yes and yes I

1:17:59

that point. In on the Runway well

1:18:01

as. That oh yeah well as

1:18:03

the runway yeah we have the

1:18:05

about from a counseling for the

1:18:07

main one. The third took the

1:18:09

bait and was the sewage showers

1:18:12

some. They. Go! So I,

1:18:14

I, I. Immediately thought of

1:18:16

a sick where the chart success

1:18:18

as we get over whether someone

1:18:20

allies and down We suitably modified

1:18:22

it with a Koala bear flying

1:18:25

a helicopter. That's it was indeed

1:18:27

A has he got to the

1:18:29

dropped the sewage sniffs Ah a

1:18:31

discharging a lot of to. Pass

1:18:34

out where is almost says

1:18:37

ah and while we were

1:18:39

as his of course I

1:18:41

had tinted with the chance

1:18:43

of a bit search. On

1:18:45

what it says in the bottom right

1:18:47

corner: cat areas. Referring

1:18:50

of course Chance to. Ten

1:18:54

areas can't clear and

1:18:56

turbulence so. Yeah.

1:18:59

I am I. I put actual

1:19:01

cats. Instead

1:19:03

of the clear at turbulence

1:19:06

symbols went sour normally a

1:19:08

little and to attend these.

1:19:11

Ah and on the other torn

1:19:13

out we have the charts details

1:19:15

so it's and this h one

1:19:17

t whether. Six

1:19:20

time of Basil Gab

1:19:22

Chance. Violate and

1:19:24

Acos it was fathers of the time

1:19:26

as a show on the sixteenth February

1:19:29

and dumb and provided by a Pg.

1:19:31

I've met an issue by At Me

1:19:33

London so that over a formal and

1:19:35

if any and of around the chart

1:19:38

there are some financing said at the

1:19:40

bottom their our. The in between

1:19:42

the show. Title. Sent

1:19:45

lines it's you'll see slides

1:19:47

have a six so six

1:19:50

the show numbers south and

1:19:52

east and also see beside

1:19:54

the helicopter occasional embedded Jess.

1:19:57

Ah the showed that I

1:19:59

is. Shaped like

1:20:01

a revolving tropical storm

1:20:04

are nicer. Proposal

1:20:06

sign, clone and then under

1:20:08

the client. why they put

1:20:10

any pets is not named

1:20:12

Faster than just making landfall

1:20:14

in the Northern Territories. A

1:20:16

good bet on topical storm

1:20:19

and a for Nick Anderson.

1:20:21

Oh that would have words s and

1:20:23

but I'm not very strongly sassy they

1:20:26

that actually use another tropical storm and

1:20:28

then so it's again on thinking on

1:20:30

dwyer fat put such as be not

1:20:33

named hum There are some are plenty

1:20:35

of saw. Volcanoes.

1:20:37

Around and a hidden by the.

1:20:40

Ear of the. A. Koala

1:20:42

is of outside of for the

1:20:45

days of the top be got

1:20:47

snazzy it's ah is got daily

1:20:50

show's first the to make sense

1:20:52

and. Suanzes.

1:20:55

Sue one knows Serrano's so

1:20:58

a nice Rates are so

1:21:00

vague. that was. Fellow.

1:21:03

My name's in at least I think

1:21:06

that was oh la la darkness. I'm

1:21:08

on a don't have. A.

1:21:11

House just as deserves. Get some.

1:21:13

Yeah. I still have

1:21:15

was the come from God knows what will

1:21:18

happen this week As an Imo and of

1:21:20

business Sam our skin and six and so

1:21:22

we have something to do active. That's

1:21:24

nothing. They always seem to have enough

1:21:27

sunlight says maybe And maggots that note

1:21:29

that oh yeah, Maggots Our biggest. Jeffrey.

1:21:33

Well. Let's see I've

1:21:35

been doing the and the normal

1:21:38

last singing and sauce. Not a

1:21:40

lot going on. Between

1:21:43

last show and this one however

1:21:45

this weekend eyes go out there

1:21:47

are gonna be a lot of

1:21:50

things happen. Am going to get

1:21:52

to meet up with at least

1:21:54

two a Pg community members first

1:21:56

mention of before. Gym:

1:21:59

Mercado. Our brand ambassador for

1:22:01

the A B G. Is

1:22:04

going to be visiting me

1:22:06

here in Roswell on it's

1:22:09

Saturday afternoon Saturday evening or

1:22:11

he can have made a

1:22:13

special. Alteration

1:22:15

to his trap Ease up

1:22:18

in Knoxville at Osiris Aircraft

1:22:20

event. And

1:22:22

it's very serious. And

1:22:24

he altered his plan so that

1:22:27

he could come through Atlanta, fly

1:22:29

out of Atlanta on Sunday morning

1:22:31

back home to northern California so

1:22:33

I'm gonna get a chance to

1:22:35

meet up with gym and also

1:22:37

David leave. Dave leaves his ah

1:22:39

in town or is going to

1:22:41

be in town I think right

1:22:44

now is in Savannah body as

1:22:46

some family here he's going to

1:22:48

be staying down at the airports.

1:22:50

The a Ramada concourse the a

1:22:52

Renaissance Court concourse not remarks much.

1:22:54

Nicer than or a

1:22:56

model I'm And that's

1:22:58

where we held half

1:23:00

of the five hundredth

1:23:02

episode celebration right there

1:23:04

near the on Delta

1:23:06

General Offices and a

1:23:08

lot of other great

1:23:10

aviation related businesses. And

1:23:12

from concerns, and speaking

1:23:14

of Delta, every year,

1:23:16

the Delta Museum puts

1:23:18

on. Hops in the

1:23:21

hangar and and this weekend is

1:23:23

that that a bent on a

1:23:25

Saturday evening and know I am

1:23:28

not going to be in attendance?

1:23:30

Perhaps some of you listening right

1:23:32

now if know if it's if

1:23:35

you're listening to the normally published

1:23:37

audio podcast you're probably not hearing

1:23:39

in this until Monday, at least

1:23:42

of the following week. Better if

1:23:44

you're listening to this live right

1:23:46

now. Happened to be in the

1:23:48

Atlanta area and. Attending hops in

1:23:51

the hangar at the Delta Museums.

1:23:53

Keep an eye open for a

1:23:55

Dave Lee because he's gonna be

1:23:58

there and down. You're

1:24:00

also going to meet up or

1:24:02

I'm gonna meet up with Day

1:24:04

of ah on a Sunday evening

1:24:07

while he's still here. I think

1:24:09

if he leaves on Monday so

1:24:11

ah after the five o'clock mass

1:24:13

on Sunday evening I am going

1:24:16

to have down and visit visit

1:24:18

with days. I

1:24:20

just added a slide. Are you

1:24:22

talking about ambassadors? He's one of

1:24:24

our A Pg Ambassadors. Yes, Schilling

1:24:26

showing the flag. Speaking of ambassadors

1:24:29

for sure we have stuff and

1:24:31

who as I think the last

1:24:33

time we saw him spreading over

1:24:36

there is a D word was

1:24:38

in Argentina I believe planetary when

1:24:40

affairs and now this one. he's

1:24:43

in Cape Town south of South

1:24:45

Africa are wearing his a Pg

1:24:47

cap and spreading the word about

1:24:49

the airline pilot Guy shows up

1:24:52

stank is Stephen. Ah, appreciate that.

1:24:55

Had an definitely looking good. Man.

1:24:59

Let's. See what else was I going? image

1:25:01

I mentioned gym and I mentioned like navy

1:25:03

March nine two to tap oh yeah I'm

1:25:05

the captain juror from Kale am as good

1:25:08

or if I'm not sure if I'm allowed

1:25:10

to say when airline if if not just

1:25:12

forget what I deserts. And

1:25:15

he's going to be in

1:25:17

town on a layover and

1:25:19

he wants to get together

1:25:21

a have some go barbecue

1:25:23

and local beer and.of share

1:25:25

that great conversation with them.

1:25:27

As many folks as weekend.

1:25:29

Round up. So if you're

1:25:31

interested in meeting up with

1:25:34

Captain Jure and perhaps some

1:25:36

members of his crew and

1:25:38

myself and. Whoever

1:25:41

else Just send us an

1:25:43

email. To I. Meet.

1:25:46

Ups: Or Meet Up Meet Up.

1:25:48

Meet up to add to its on the

1:25:50

screen. Okay, meet up at airline? Yeah, but

1:25:52

I'm the one that made that I'm not

1:25:54

sure that's correct or not possess a sudden

1:25:56

I think that's right. The right a email

1:25:58

address. Meet up at. My power.com and

1:26:01

let us know if you're interested

1:26:03

in. I'm no joining us and

1:26:05

hopefully we'll be able to give

1:26:07

you more information about what we've

1:26:09

come up with beef between now

1:26:11

and them. So. That's.

1:26:14

I. Think costs isn't everything.

1:26:16

Oh No No. I. Didn't write it

1:26:19

down here and in the note

1:26:21

but before we go to the

1:26:23

Coffee Fund I wanted to share

1:26:25

their so you know Super Bowls

1:26:28

was what little over a week

1:26:30

ago and. Or two

1:26:32

weeks ago my I was on

1:26:34

have none a humming sensors that

1:26:36

a week and a ago and

1:26:39

ah I'm the one of the

1:26:41

events from efforts and a lot

1:26:43

of these big games. A big

1:26:45

football games usually involves some kind

1:26:48

of a fly over or fly

1:26:50

past or whatever you want to

1:26:52

call it depending on where you're

1:26:54

from. In this case it was

1:26:56

the Airforce from Precision Flying Team

1:26:59

the Thunderbirds. And the problem is

1:27:01

though. That this was inside, a

1:27:03

fully enclosed bomb fell and then

1:27:05

you are so there was no

1:27:07

open air. you couldn't look up

1:27:09

and seat. But they did have

1:27:12

a bunch of cameras trained on.

1:27:14

The Thunderbirds as they flew

1:27:17

over and I and I'm

1:27:19

forget exactly how I found

1:27:21

this bed found some video

1:27:23

of the team before are

1:27:25

in fact while we're listening

1:27:27

to this all or continue

1:27:29

to talk while we're listening

1:27:31

to it you can actually

1:27:33

hear some of the background

1:27:35

music that's happening underneath their

1:27:37

on the roof of this

1:27:39

arena. In

1:27:41

now Las Vegas. The

1:27:44

got his. Big Gap backpacks with

1:27:46

big giant aerials for antennas

1:27:49

for communication radio communications with

1:27:51

the with the team. And.

1:28:00

You start. Hearing

1:28:02

some of the music. From

1:28:04

the auditorium. Hearing

1:28:09

something that sounds like. Music.

1:28:14

They're communicating with. The

1:28:16

of with the. Burial

1:28:19

Teams. Somebody

1:28:22

singing the National anthem of the

1:28:24

United States of America. Broad

1:28:29

stripes. Hairless

1:28:33

guns. And

1:28:38

were showing some guys with

1:28:40

some laser guns. I text

1:28:42

or. Bright L E

1:28:45

D's I'm not sure what kind

1:28:47

of sonos getting to the. Thunderbirds.

1:28:50

That was the rockets. red

1:28:53

glare bombs bursting in air.

1:28:55

say guys it. So there

1:28:57

was this It.is able to

1:28:59

see that? Yeah, And.

1:29:05

Gets are talking about tiring desert. You

1:29:07

look at the buildings in the background

1:29:09

of this. The

1:29:12

looks like something is starting to rise

1:29:14

from one of them and this actually

1:29:16

the smoke trail of the. The

1:29:19

Thunderbirds kind of extending effort and

1:29:21

here soon you'll be able to

1:29:24

see them fly through. Some

1:29:27

of the fireworks are the very end of the

1:29:29

national. Home

1:29:32

of the Braves To there's

1:29:35

the ending fireworks and there's

1:29:37

the. Other

1:29:39

that's fine by pretty

1:29:41

darn. Good

1:29:44

time. Our show that side seconds. Well.

1:29:47

At all depends on that's exactly where

1:29:50

with out there were some of some

1:29:52

moderate it often than not sure that's

1:29:54

pretty close I said. No,

1:29:57

they seem to be pretty. They're celebrating. Job

1:30:00

well done and this next one is

1:30:03

as some of just a little bit

1:30:05

of a clipper bucks or the have

1:30:07

seen inside. I think this was the

1:30:09

number two am guy in the. However,

1:30:13

some loud for me.

1:30:16

Turn that down. As

1:30:23

it's is blowing my ears out. Okay.

1:30:26

Tried them. There.

1:30:44

Done. That was an

1:30:46

error in a camera that fitness sort of

1:30:48

ice. I'm. I'm

1:30:52

sure that's got. good thing we don't

1:30:54

monetize or videos because I'm pretty sure

1:30:56

that to an Nfl get a strike

1:30:58

on that one of the Nfl that's

1:31:00

exactly as oh well. Should

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have Just driving is nicer. They actually did

1:31:05

a proper fly back to say to the

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pre recorded that's a just play that over

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given like if they could have yes I

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1:31:16

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1:31:18

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1:31:25

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left a Vm Gm pyramid. The.

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1:33:53

An Alaska Terror Accident is as

1:33:55

a Pg folks he says shorter

1:33:58

them are easier than right. Out

1:34:00

all the names yes a bid

1:34:02

you true or a Pg folks

1:34:05

we we go by any of

1:34:07

those. ah a question came up

1:34:09

about into a pilot communications and

1:34:11

the Alaskan Air Accident as definite

1:34:13

pointed out we normally take the

1:34:15

ear cup towards the other pilot

1:34:17

off so we can communicate once

1:34:20

we get above light level one

1:34:22

eight zero we normally turn on

1:34:24

the cockpit speakers and take our

1:34:26

headsets off and till top of

1:34:28

dissent when we put. The. Headsets back

1:34:30

on style. You're a lot of people

1:34:32

do that. This is just talking now.

1:34:36

I never, I never did that.

1:34:38

Usually I just left the headsets

1:34:40

on. know all time. Just gonna

1:34:42

try to protect my hearing as

1:34:44

much as I could. You

1:34:48

know I'd I have heard that this is

1:34:50

a common. Common

1:34:52

process specially I think in the

1:34:54

an Airbus world. Ah I'm. On

1:34:57

a sudden thirty seven now I

1:34:59

see people doing that because it's

1:35:01

just really, really. Definitely. Loud.

1:35:04

And that, Seven Thirty Seven. Carpets. He

1:35:08

said some Seven Thirty seven do have

1:35:11

hot mike switches that can be locked

1:35:13

to the on position either as a

1:35:15

Boeing option or as just said, using

1:35:17

a rubber band. And when we put

1:35:19

on our oxygen masks, we normally take

1:35:21

off the headsets and use the commitment

1:35:24

speakers to communicate with each other. In

1:35:26

here. eighty seats.found that that's always the

1:35:28

best way to go because it's difficult

1:35:30

to get upset. Back. On Fancy

1:35:32

you have the full face

1:35:34

masks, oxygen masks, and Sasha

1:35:36

you have to really have

1:35:38

this overhead speakers on. On.

1:35:42

Ah, the problem is that the accident

1:35:44

happened during climb to the pilots had

1:35:46

not yet turned on or turned up

1:35:48

the volume on their content speakers. This

1:35:50

probably initially led to the difficulty communicating

1:35:53

with each other and a T C

1:35:55

seems the crew quickly did the palms

1:35:57

slap to the forehead and turned the

1:35:59

speed. There's a business like one

1:36:01

of the. One. Of the

1:36:04

hardest things in an emergency like this

1:36:06

or a rapid decompression that you know

1:36:08

due to startles you I'm You know

1:36:11

when you're in the simulator and you're.

1:36:14

You're. Kind of kind of expecting something

1:36:16

like to have that to happen. It

1:36:18

still does for hinting and still difficult

1:36:20

to get all the communications set up

1:36:23

properly but I can imagine never happened

1:36:25

to me. Thankfully having that kind of

1:36:27

an event in real life and your

1:36:29

that you know not expecting it at

1:36:32

all and all sudden boom and it's

1:36:34

just like a big explosion goes off

1:36:36

and things are flying everywhere and trying

1:36:38

to get your communications set up. a

1:36:41

you with your inner your oxygen mask

1:36:43

on and everything. Else must be

1:36:45

too terribly disorienting and and are

1:36:47

difficult to do better. They seem

1:36:50

to have done a very good

1:36:52

job. He

1:36:55

said a minor of different missed detail

1:36:57

on the emergency procedure, but they did

1:36:59

a great job of recognizing it and

1:37:01

accomplishing step number two in the emergency

1:37:04

descent memory items. Checklist Crew communications established.

1:37:06

Yeah, that's that's what we've been talking

1:37:08

about. The Crew: The crew communications established

1:37:10

is the hardest part of that. To.

1:37:13

Step think oxygen masks on one

1:37:15

hundred percent for communications establish. That's

1:37:17

the tough part of. This is

1:37:19

in no way a criticism of

1:37:21

the crew. They did a great

1:37:23

job by all accounts. The Sam

1:37:26

and We agree. Think.

1:37:28

Is and the one that always you to

1:37:30

catch me. I'm Jeff was when. He

1:37:33

got down to ten. And

1:37:36

you don't need York's Uma city More

1:37:38

say if take off your headset, type

1:37:40

the mass of dump it down beside

1:37:42

you. On the next

1:37:44

thing you do a traffic called you

1:37:46

and you can't speak on the radio.

1:37:49

Everly Brothers. So

1:37:52

that that is because it was the one

1:37:54

thing was very easy to forget. I as

1:37:56

you take the answer moscow at I'm serious

1:37:58

I'm on my surprise. That we

1:38:00

were buses. Are you flick

1:38:03

the switch that transfers the.

1:38:06

No more a microphone

1:38:09

from the cockpit. Headset

1:38:12

All the handheld Mike's into the might

1:38:15

that's in the Stairmaster allow you to

1:38:17

speak and then and observe. return it

1:38:19

back to his original setting so that

1:38:21

you can use your headset or they

1:38:23

and how mike in the cockpit. When

1:38:25

you finish with the of stem mouse

1:38:27

you have to reach into the box

1:38:30

him as a little times as to

1:38:32

click it back into place and then

1:38:34

that resets it and it was is

1:38:36

easy thing to forget because when he

1:38:38

got down to ten a little the

1:38:40

panic is finished. And he

1:38:42

I'm fighting on. Earth's right where we

1:38:44

are back in the land where we

1:38:47

can take these damn octopuses off our

1:38:49

face. The ear

1:38:51

nose very easy to fix and now

1:38:53

you're nord. Out there exists a sea

1:38:55

of said. It used to take like

1:38:58

thirty seconds. Direct flight on talks to

1:39:00

the skyline is like eating your teammates.

1:39:04

And then the penny would drop. We.

1:39:06

Have a comment from i whole boxes and

1:39:08

or live audience. At.

1:39:12

At Tim rapid decompression composition.

1:39:14

Boom Maggots everywhere. decompression. I

1:39:17

think he meant. Okay

1:39:21

I don't much around on on my shoulder

1:39:23

the attitude of a rational. I don't know

1:39:25

what that is either but. I

1:39:29

have less just cut that out of the

1:39:32

show him prepare a fraternal and we never

1:39:34

saw it attacks. You.

1:39:36

Know let's continue with some more

1:39:39

feedback from Sam: A jump and

1:39:41

eight. Eighty Two crew and

1:39:43

Episode Six o' Five, you disgusted

1:39:45

Grumman Cougar that had a propeller

1:39:47

strike. Just to clarify something knicks

1:39:49

said by the essay, A definition:

1:39:51

the props strikes does not need

1:39:53

the engine operating. Not.

1:39:56

Sure that he said something different,

1:39:58

but I don't remember actually. From

1:40:02

the leading, I was able to say

1:40:04

much about that aside. From

1:40:06

the Aids Macho. Oh Nick

1:40:08

Camacho ah I'm at the start

1:40:10

to the city to my either

1:40:12

an exodus stops okay gotcha gotcha.

1:40:15

Okay so nut Camacho, see or

1:40:17

off the hook and her since

1:40:19

I'm. From. The A

1:40:21

D was the A

1:40:23

D. The. Absence

1:40:28

of this A D. A.

1:40:31

Propeller strike is defined as follows.

1:40:33

Iona Anyway definition: A propeller strike

1:40:35

Any incident whether or not the

1:40:37

engines operating that requires repair to

1:40:39

the propeller other than minor dressing

1:40:41

of the blades. I hate it

1:40:44

when the blades are not dressed.

1:40:47

Sassoon. Scandalous. Asked

1:40:49

any incident during engine operation in

1:40:52

which the propeller impacts a solid

1:40:54

object, the causes a drop in

1:40:56

revolutions per minute rpm and also

1:40:58

require structural repairs. The propeller. Incidents

1:41:02

require only paint touch up are not

1:41:04

included. This is not restricted to put.

1:41:07

Propeller. Strikes against the ground,

1:41:09

a sudden rpm drop while

1:41:11

impacting water, tall grass or

1:41:14

similar yielding medium or propeller

1:41:16

damage is not normally incurred.

1:41:19

And whites Sam agrees with

1:41:22

Nick Tomatoes assessment of these.

1:41:24

You tube show far was

1:41:27

rebuild rescue her beliefs My

1:41:29

hair's stood. Ah when

1:41:31

I heard the one person talk about

1:41:34

a hard time line they had to

1:41:36

meet. As always great and informant and

1:41:38

informative show. It's easy to be put.

1:41:42

It's easy to be in the peanut

1:41:44

gallery and find a minor fault. Yes,

1:41:47

it is. And eight

1:41:49

the it's Airworthiness Direct is why did

1:41:51

know I know that aired a D

1:41:53

as a airworthiness director but I didn't

1:41:55

know that that's exact A.maybe this is

1:41:58

a different type earn different. Eighty

1:42:00

but I don't know. Whenever I see

1:42:02

you can also mean aerodrome. And

1:42:06

we ever use that on Run Out On

1:42:08

for I. Ah

1:42:10

but I liked the I like him

1:42:12

saying that I am. They say they

1:42:15

says whether the engine is of reading

1:42:17

and not. I'm trying to work out

1:42:19

how the propeller rpm can be affected

1:42:21

if this incident know the first moved

1:42:23

in. A business or she

1:42:25

say where the engine is uprising or

1:42:27